Let's see Paul Allen's Marxist analysis of Mormonism.
@phillheth
Жыл бұрын
The tasteful thickness.
@carlrs15
5 ай бұрын
Oh my God - it even has a land acknowledgment @@phillheth
@goblinbastard
Жыл бұрын
As a former Mormon who's entire family has escaped from the cult, I'm excited to listen to this
@drewchainz4577
Жыл бұрын
I’m so jealous lol I’m a former Mormon who’s entire family is still Mormon
@james_hadley_
Жыл бұрын
@@drewchainz4577 same here :/
@matthewevans3718
Жыл бұрын
I just hate the word Mormon phonetically
@KP-gc7fd
Жыл бұрын
@@drewchainz4577 how are you doing? could u tell me more what is the mormonism about these days in ur opinion? or anybody?
@drewchainz4577
Жыл бұрын
@@KP-gc7fd modern Mormonism is just land speculation and buying up real estate, all paid for with tithing from active members lol
@Morphdog9819
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. This is really what I listen to Chapo for - Matt going off on some history shit. I need him to start writing books, I love how he explains history from a materialist perspective
@dirrdevil
2 ай бұрын
💯
@theKurtAnderson
Жыл бұрын
Accurate, fair, materialist. Former Mormon (with rest of family still practicing Mormons) gives 👍 👍
@Morphdog9819
Жыл бұрын
Acid Marxist and Matt Christman literally carrying my life right now with these uploads
@zhadom1902
Жыл бұрын
"eyyyyyyyyyy, I'm the angel Maroni here, fugitaboutid Joseph"
@TheRealMattKronik
Жыл бұрын
Tossing a gold plate into the air and spinning it like a pizza, "Ya can't make-a da gold plate inna Cumorah: dey ain't got the wautuh!"
@mayacastaneda8076
Жыл бұрын
Matt Christman talking about protestantism is my absolute favorite. I wish he spoke about this more.
@alanfulcher460
Жыл бұрын
30 Years’ War podcast coming soon.
@mk-oc7mt
Жыл бұрын
Yea this is so much more fascinating than their endless whining about twitter and Elon lately
@ringo8410
Жыл бұрын
Sounds like my conception of Mormonism as something like manifest destiny/American exceptionalism as a religion is not incorrect.
@conormckenna7796
Жыл бұрын
I would go to war and die for Lord Christman
@mojoforthewin3069
Жыл бұрын
Matt “The Christ Man” Christman
@conormckenna7796
Жыл бұрын
@@mojoforthewin3069 🙏🙏🙏
@zhadom1902
Жыл бұрын
My sword for the Christ man
@Chris-ng8du
Жыл бұрын
funny how this church went from wanting to be a commune to now having over $100B in assets 😂
@westxlcr
Жыл бұрын
I grew up as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, 25:00 is probably the most accurate unbiased assessment of the group that I’ve heard.
@harrymon0
Жыл бұрын
This was so good. It always is with Christman.
@markcouch4235
Жыл бұрын
I live about 100 miles from Nauvoo, I've never been and since listening to this I need to get out there and check it out.
@CoadyShay
Жыл бұрын
I could listen to these endlessly.
@ItsOgre
Жыл бұрын
I made a playlist of them.
@DickiMoltisanti
Жыл бұрын
@@ItsOgrethanks Doc!
@BigBlack81
Жыл бұрын
@@DickiMoltisanti SECOND! So nice to FINALLY have something I can put on shuffle and get lost in when I'm doing chores/hobbies/etc.
@BigBlack81
Жыл бұрын
@Herman T. Elwich You a champion, fine KZitemr. Thank you. 🙏🏿
@ItsOgre
Жыл бұрын
@@BigBlack81 I try to put them in there as soon as AM uploads them, I try to sort them chronologically but some cover huge time ranges. I don’t think I missed any, but if anyone else has any others post them.
@refoliation
Жыл бұрын
Blessings for posting this
@bryanpeifer597
Жыл бұрын
Chapo, you did an awesome job and touched on the subject of community which is why people join the church in the first place. I was 21 when I joined and one of the attractions is the community. I resigned from the from the church in 2013. I left the church when the church built a massive shopping mall right across the street from the Salt Lake temple. Actually, it's befitting due to the nature of the corporate church in which money is extremely important. Chapo got it right in how the churches doctrine of what was called "The United Order", actually a communist structure and how later the embrace of capitalism which fly's in the face of their written word, but hey it's gods will right? Great job! as Tim & Eric Awesome Show would put it.
@quercus_opuntia
Жыл бұрын
This one is going to be a real banger I can tell
@zainmudassir2964
Жыл бұрын
Matt is great historian. Mashallah
@8eight104
Жыл бұрын
Why is this video only an hour old? I swear to God, I saw this video listed on my feed before I went to bed last night and woke up just to watch it. Wtf
@yourneighbor6152
Жыл бұрын
Youre still asleep, wake up
@adamhbrennan
Жыл бұрын
So good. Reminds me of “Hell on Wheels,” especially around the 35-36 minute mark…
@adamhbrennan
Жыл бұрын
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@bb-je3yz
Жыл бұрын
Joseph Sr.’s wife’s name was Lucy, not Lily. Just fyi. The rest of it is spot-on.
@IMelkor42
Жыл бұрын
Maybe the real community were the Mormons we made along the way...
@maknavickas
7 ай бұрын
I wonder if the choice of settling the West was so insane that is required to new type of religion to facilitate it? The saner religious people would have just been satisfied with a small plot of land in Ohio or Illinois, and would not have had the absurd mixture of faith and ambition to keep going west for the bug payout.
@josephs.3372
Жыл бұрын
I USED to like listening to Matt ramble, but I think people that do are scratching a dangerous itch of using a single cursory source to compensate for their own ignorance. Just do your own research if you're so inclined to learn: whatever you find here will take twice as long to get there with half as much to take away from. Read his book recommendations too. Voltaire's Bastards was a solid pick from Matt
@BigBlack81
Жыл бұрын
But that's the start, and that's why we love Matt's ramble. I know I've taken DAYS to go through one of his screeds because I'm constantly new tabbing to research points he brings up. And then you know how THAT goes... LOL XD To me, Matt is a platform to a bigger set of things to ask questions about that I had no clue at all about. That's the value of the Kush Bombs: they open lines of inquiry for those who care to new tab enough.
@CzolgoszWorkinMan
Жыл бұрын
nah i need background noise while i’m gaming
@hegaliandialectics4289
Жыл бұрын
i’m to fucking stupid and lazy to read actual theory. I will one day but for now listening to Matt is as close as I can get.
@josephs.3372
Жыл бұрын
@@hegaliandialectics4289 I don't blame you. I don't like reading much either but eventually I know you'll find a book that clicks with you topically or from how easily you can read through it. I've been there, like I said I think it's compensation for the lack of literacy but we've all been there so good luck on your journey.
@fortnitecustomssubs
Жыл бұрын
i agree, its just a more epic and based consumer identity for me at this point
@bob5476
Жыл бұрын
Adam smith + Joseph smith + chad smith = my ideology
@KarmaPaym3ntPlan
Жыл бұрын
As a bit of a precursor, can someone broadly bridge the gap between Calvin and Luther? I got the idea that they came to roughly the same conclusions, regarding the relationship between capital and church/community (?)
@josejaimes-ramos1546
Жыл бұрын
He talks about the differences between the conclusions reached by Luther and Calvin during his most recent Kush blog if I remember correctly
@xalrath
Жыл бұрын
VERY high-level synopsis: Luther is a guy whose chief concern is how hopelessly corrupt and far from god the Catholic Church has become. he wants to get rid of the corrupt old traditions and rebuild a more modern catholicism. the creation of protestantism is something he views as a kind of confusing accident. the Catholic Church was hideously corrupt, but part of that hideous corruption was that priests got a LOT of mileage out of the 'it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven' line. priests were not hitting up peasants for indulgences. they were hitting up the nobility and burgeoning middle class, saying 'if you don't give us a bunch of your money you're going to hell.' by getting rid of indulgences, Luther accidentally got rid of the sole economic incentive in Christianity to not suck up to the richest people around all the time, and Calvin took that incentive to its logical conclusion. Calvin is a devout follower of the faith Luther accidentally built trying to figure out how you can tell that God is going to save you from Hell, now that indulgences aren't a thing, who comes to the conclusion "well if you do well in life that proves God loves you and you're going to heaven." the rich deserve to be rich, the poor deserve to be poor, to become rich and comfortable is to become in god's favor, to become poor is to prove god dislikes you. unsurprisingly, rich people fucking LOVED this shit.
@josejaimes-ramos1546
Жыл бұрын
@@xalrath yep, he says as much in about as many words.
@KarmaPaym3ntPlan
Жыл бұрын
@@josejaimes-ramos1546 thanks! I was looking back through the most recent couple, as I was pretty sure it was covered. But I came up short
@KarmaPaym3ntPlan
Жыл бұрын
@@xalrath perfect, dude. Makes wayyy too much sense, and I appreciate you taking the time
@quercus_opuntia
Жыл бұрын
I wish I could have listened to this instead of going to Mormon church last year we out now tho
@williamchamberlain2263
Жыл бұрын
Also love it when Matt conflates rationalism with absolutism, rather than Calvin with not understanding relative morality
@BoomKing72
Жыл бұрын
What is this from? Is there a non-youtube way to listen to this?
@unreasonablyagreeable1081
Жыл бұрын
iirc first episode of the inebriated past, chapo series by matt and chris
@williamchamberlain2263
Жыл бұрын
I love it when Matt conflates theological authoritarianism with community
@IdiotDoomSpiral69
Жыл бұрын
True, a lot of people in this sphere are bizarrely biased towards being very "generous" in how they describe religion
@19peter96
11 ай бұрын
reddit take
@dirrdevil
2 ай бұрын
I think there is a conflicting overlap. It often can be both. These religious organizations did provide community but were also theological authorities; and both elements varied by degrees depending on time and place. But the point still stands about the lack of community. That is the good part of a mixed bag. Ideally, we move forward in time, progressing, and don't go back to these centuries-old religious models of community. However, we need to push out and away from capitalism, and form a secular community under socialism (people can still have their religions but no religion will be the basis of the communal society).
@chazblank2717
Жыл бұрын
If you wanna get a sense of early American Folk Magic, the Seventh Son series by Orson Scott Card is pretty good… I don’t condone the views of the author, but frankly that doesn’t keep me from enjoying his writing.
@dirrdevil
2 ай бұрын
I love comments that basically say "this analysis isn't very good and I disagree with it" but refuse to detail any counterpoints whatsoever. At least flesh out your critique some.
@dbarker7794
Жыл бұрын
We almost had a Mormon president in 2012. Some day we will have our theocracy!
@Some_Average_Joe
6 ай бұрын
We already are a theocracy of the capitalist faith
@quercus_opuntia
Жыл бұрын
"Maroney" 😭
@bigbyrd7755
Жыл бұрын
Honey whats wrong you've barely touched your maroney and cheese
@jackstraw262
Жыл бұрын
It’s spelled “marogna”
@thinkoutloud2144
3 ай бұрын
5:44
@BNardolilli
Жыл бұрын
Moroni called Smith a corksoaker
@nedrobinson7490
6 ай бұрын
Can’t spell Moroni without moron….
@danieljohnson6561
Жыл бұрын
It’s weird being and adult convert to mormonism and a leftist, but I thoroughly enjoyed this, as always with Matt
@MichaelDeMersLA
Жыл бұрын
That sounds very gay!
@gonzoengineering4894
Жыл бұрын
How do you square that circle if you don't mind my asking?
@fruitylerlups530
Жыл бұрын
@@gonzoengineering4894 loadsa bitches
@IdiotDoomSpiral69
Жыл бұрын
Why convert to a religion? What could convince you of such a thing actually being true?
@dirrdevil
2 ай бұрын
@@IdiotDoomSpiral69He got to stick his face into the magic golden hat of prophecy.
@joshsawyerstreamvods
Жыл бұрын
dum dum dum dum dum
@Gooberpatrol66
Жыл бұрын
So does Matt seriously believe that the theology of mormonism (everyone is saved, people can become gods) is capable of curing the alienation caused by capitalism, and induce a spirit of collectivism in people?
@keithjackewicz8423
11 ай бұрын
No, I think his point is it comes closer than deracinated American Protestantism and would take longer to be desacralized in the same way.
@adamholloway8873
Жыл бұрын
I’m sorry, but this analysis is pretty thin. It sounds like something that has been thought through, but it’s mostly just opinions framed as matters of fact. It does make sense from the Marxist perspective, which holds that competition and capitalism generally are intrinsically immoral. Even is that’s a given, there’s still no evidence given that the move towards capitalism is the reason for waning societal and moral bonds. He presents this as fact, but that’s just like your opinion man. It’s an interesting idea, but far from being an agreed upon fact.
@dirrdevil
2 ай бұрын
So, what are the objective truths and knowable facts of history used to describe societal changes? Or maybe, just maybe every idea on it is an opinion. Some more sensible and well-informed, but an opinion all the same.
@lindaolsen7089
Жыл бұрын
Six minutes in and I don't understand what this guy is saying. At all. Unsure who his audience is (or who he thinks it is), but I doubt they understand it, either. Peace out.
@WebertHest
Жыл бұрын
Protestantism as the social logic of capitalism kind of falls apart once you consider countries outside the USA. Which is to say that Matt might sound smart, but his depth is as shallow as his purported expertise is wide.
@xalrath
Жыл бұрын
works pretty well for England, Germany, and the Netherlands, though, which gets you a long way
@ince55ant
Жыл бұрын
do you think every country on earth just decided capitalism was the best system or were international coercive forces pushing them into it?
@TheOfficialVIDI
Жыл бұрын
r/iamverysmart comment
@BigBlack81
Жыл бұрын
@@ince55ant That's what a lot of people are missing in Matt's breakdown: he's not talking about it being good, only what made it predominate things in so many sectors. In truth, Matt's talked about other slants of Christianity before.
@fruitylerlups530
Жыл бұрын
my friend.. the actual argument he makes is capitalism is the social logic of protestantism.
@amitty9818
Жыл бұрын
what is mans bithering on about. you gotta be high as a kite to sit through this
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