I want Johnny Cage to stay top tier because the idea that the strongest character in mortal kombat is some hollywood action star is funny.
@deathshot2101
3 ай бұрын
As johnny cage main I agree but...everyone else sucks. Mk1 is the first game which I don't like it's subzero and scorpion.
@a.eb.a1507
3 ай бұрын
if only they worked on a better balance like tekken 8
@JalauroUrsa
3 ай бұрын
I miss Subzero and Scorpion's original move set, and thus far the only character I can fuck with in MK1 is Omni Man. Hopefully, my girl, Jade, will play well. @@deathshot2101
@michaelajayi1587
3 ай бұрын
@@deathshot2101the disrespect I received as a Raiden main pushed me away from that game mained him since MK9
@deathshot2101
3 ай бұрын
@@michaelajayi1587 nerf nerf nerf...no buff.
@kilochampion787
3 ай бұрын
Nothing gives me more anxiety in Tekken than seeing Lars figure skating with electricity crackling around his body.
@RealMikeHollow
3 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@TheXell
3 ай бұрын
He has paid for his Beyblade power by getting cursed with that hairstyle.
@strivingsol1816
3 ай бұрын
Figure skating with electricity 😂
@qorpse
3 ай бұрын
I can't even be mad at longtime Lars mains because they deserved a break after TTT2 and T7
@melthework4511
3 ай бұрын
Started playing Alisa because she’s just a cute fun robot and the amount of hate mail I’ve gotten is insane. Sometimes I’ll take it easy on people because I’m a way higher rank and just try to have fun but when they win, they send me messages calling me trash, which makes me just wanna thrash my enemies and not take the game lightly at all. NGL it’s jaded me.
@ApacheJay156
3 ай бұрын
Cute fun robo waifu is why I play her too. This guy is just full of salt. "Cheap!" "Braindead!" 🙄 Grow up dude.
@Scutter17
3 ай бұрын
I used to play nice too. Now I've been going full blast, no mercy mode. Doing all Alisa's taunts and everything.
@LyriaAstralius
3 ай бұрын
The comp community is full of weak whiny adult children who need to blame someone or something for their L's
@melthework4511
3 ай бұрын
@@Scutter17 that’s where I’m headed at the moment lol
@RealMikeHollow
3 ай бұрын
Clearly you guys didn't get to the end of the video cos I said keep playing the characters that make you happy and don't worry about people moaning at you. I'm an advocate for annoying people on games and Alisa is perfect for that, but obviously I am prone to being annoyed to (human, in case anyone didn't notice). I'm also not part of the competitive community. I play Tekken on KZitem. I might join a tournament if it's run by people I know or online, but that's about it.
@perfectlap9379
3 ай бұрын
Also, Alisa is widely considered to be a top tier atm lmao, and has been considered high tier since T7 season 4.
@anthonyrobles6920
3 ай бұрын
You think so? How so?
@ChrisYoungGunn
3 ай бұрын
I've learned to embrace my new Paul. Like you said before, I've been given this power; and I'm not letting him go. He's been my boy since T1 and his new combos are so nice lol
@Iwisoks
3 ай бұрын
Me personally I wouldn’t hesitate to play whoever I want to play unless they are actually unplayable(mk1 sub), doesn’t matter whether their cheap af disgustingly strong or really weak
@Section8dc
3 ай бұрын
Hey sikkander makes it happen, its possible with enough dedication with sub
@Iwisoks
3 ай бұрын
@@Section8dc no offence but have you seen his streams as of late, He’s so done with how weak sub zero is.
@Section8dc
3 ай бұрын
@@Iwisoks none taken my friend, thats fair I actually haven't, I watched his streams everyday for years, all the way since MKX, but this last year I've been too busy, tbf he has been done with how weak sub is since the game dropped, hopefully they will give him some buffs eventually, props to sik for sticking with him though and hopefully he doesn't go mad(as entertaining as it would be lol)
@Iwisoks
3 ай бұрын
I would bet $100 that if he didn't stream the game for a living he would have quit a long time ago. The amount of people in the community who overrate sub zero and act like he's a strong character don't make it any better, especially when he's so bad even a casual bum like me can see what's wrong with him
@dronnovik95
3 ай бұрын
Funny thing about alisa is even though people are annoyed by her crazy chainsaw heat pressure, they would still be pissed on loss even if alisa player never used it.
@RealMikeHollow
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, her whole moveset is lame in my opinion but the chainsaws make it even worse.
@5orrowKazama
3 ай бұрын
I use them really really rarely and still get hate messages all the time 🤷🏻♂️
@RealMikeHollow
3 ай бұрын
@@5orrowKazama Alisa players will never escape the allegations.
@bloodmoon6983
3 ай бұрын
playing against alisa makes me want to pull my hairs out haha
@mrkarateman
3 ай бұрын
I mained Geras and Kano in MK11. I loved Sub-Zero through all my life cause he was cool ninja with ice powers, but completely avoided him in MK11 cause he became busted as hell one day. On the other hand, Geras was strong and got nerfed into oblivion, but the amount of salt I got in the voice chat could fill the Black Sea. I honestly think you can see in the gameplay who is a true tierwhore. For example, most Dragunov mains know those long wall to wall combos cause they never skip a JDCR stream, but their fundamentals are ass. Or Devil Jins who dive kick themselves to death. Picking a main is like picking a new pair of shoes. If you like them visually and they are comfortable - it just clicks. But having shoes like everyone else also sucks.
@MilosJsWizard
2 ай бұрын
They are not less valid, but you get to Rank easier, than players who dont use them. For example Victor player pre patch, fujin on 3 moves, as new payer can get it in 3 months while new player as Brian maybe never. For feng, king, dragunov etc, the road is easier, doesnt mean wins are less valid
@JuJiro.
3 ай бұрын
Come on Mike don’t do us Lars players like that lol Lars isn’t that easy to use. You said feng is hard to play and if he wasn’t there would be more representation online and in tournaments.. but then you said when people say Lars isn’t top tier because he isn’t winning any tournaments, that tournament play and success isn’t a good excuse .. when you just used it as an excuse for your character 😂😂 we work just as hard! Love the video though man. And I agree with you people should just play who they want and who they like. Online disrespect will come regardless of your character, that’s just how people are these days
@sammitch524
3 ай бұрын
My 2 mains are Bryan and Alisa, according to some people, the hardest and easiest character in the game 😂 And yeah, I definitely feel like I don't need to work as hard to get wins with Alisa, but I still think she's fun to use. She has chainsaws, and chainsaws are cool 🤷♂️
@77wolfblade
3 ай бұрын
king main: hello
@TheXell
3 ай бұрын
King mostly annoys noobs who don't know how to break throws yet. Meanwhile, I've never heard anybody say anything good about Alisa from people who don't play her, regardless of experience.
@RikuchanMemories24
3 ай бұрын
And when they didn't hate them they think they are boring or something.. example leo my main , although im not too good but i noticed some people hate to rematch my character xd or idk the reason.. or u meet those who fight for he or she word, i like nice people who don't care what u call him. Also we already have Julia or whatever her name as female adventurer or lara croft style , i think having leo as a young boy adventurer would be better than being a female if we talk about gameplay style its has fun moves .
@ShiningT1g3R
3 ай бұрын
Everyone from Maximilian_Dude, Sajam, Kizzie, and even Juyuna have said over and over again "Pick who you want to pick; Play who you want to play!" Don't worry about tier lists and what "FGC Pros" have to say, because you aren't them or anywhere near their level.
@OtaniNoAsagi
3 ай бұрын
And even if you were, who cares? The pros play who they want to play so why can't you
@Kekkai_
3 ай бұрын
10:30 That's 1 mistake and 1 wrong guess. Would that be 2 mistakes?
@JUYAN16
3 ай бұрын
I actually wanna go back to playing Victor since he got nerfed. He's not just this brain dead character now, you actually have work with him for wins now.
@SD-mi2vc
3 ай бұрын
"Work" come on man
@Gogemare
3 ай бұрын
14:03 😂😂😂 gotta love the sore winners and the sore losers.
@purpledragonfly9006
3 ай бұрын
If you play feng you are carried but it doesnt matter....everyone could have picked said op character. Embrace it you chose wisely.
@RealMikeHollow
3 ай бұрын
The discourse around Feng is going to change quite a bit now that people have sunk their teeth into the new patch. I've seen some top players saying he's no longer top 5 or even in the top bracket after the nerfs. Nobody is carried in this game because I think every character is super strong down to the last character on the tier list. If you're losing, it's purely a skill issue imo.
@dragontheleo3620
3 ай бұрын
Bears are so trash but yet people do say they're extremely strong. Any character that is Strong or Weak, they all have tools that makes anybody annoying. Playing my Lee in quick matches and ranked legit makes people mad at me and starts ki-charging me lmfao That's Tekken.
@shreeanshmahapatra2313
3 ай бұрын
Chip dmg makes bears viable.
@a.eb.a1507
3 ай бұрын
The Tekken being all about fighting styles and shit when jack was here since the first game is kinda silly to me, tekken wants to portray fighting arts in their best form but that isnt their sole focus and it hasnt been since the first games (characters like yoshi, kuni, gon, bosconovitch etc.)
@crimsonpotemkin
3 ай бұрын
Bison is back
@bioswat96
3 ай бұрын
Fourth for sure must be Feng on the thumbnail
@Chris_Da_Prince
3 ай бұрын
I’m maining historically the most hated tekken character!!!! Do I care! HELL NO!!! That character still takes EXECUTION that many people don’t realize until they try that character they are shocked to see how much execution certain characters take and their strengths and weaknesses. I take every lost as a learning lesson. And I’m taking the time now to lab. Zafina is launch punishable character as I found out in a lot of her stances. Just practice and lab and get better
@jamesverhoeven8769
3 ай бұрын
Ight Johnny is not the best character in the game he’s got fast and great buttons but poor damage and very importantly no projectile. He’s just a good rush down character. In mk there are much crazier characters. A pro sindel and cyrax now that is broken. Open you once and melt ur bars can’t break just die.
@just_2swift
3 ай бұрын
One and done players need to get flamed in a rant video
@richardsinclair7661
3 ай бұрын
Used to think this way too, until I realized that...nobody owes you a rematch. If you win, take your points and move on, and if you lose, take the L and move on. Getting pissed about it is stupid because you will literally be in another match faster than you can complain about the previous one.
@RealMikeHollow
3 ай бұрын
I already did a video on them and it was very divisive 😂
@Jinkuzu
3 ай бұрын
You're never OWED a rematch. FGC really needs to get that out of their heads, its a gentlemen agreement thats not enforced in anyway. Maybe you should argue for ranked specifically to be best of 9 instead of having 3 best of 3 sets.
@just_2swift
3 ай бұрын
@@richardsinclair7661 That’s fine because I have hidey accounts and I hunt them down and smoke them. I send them screen shots and all. 😂 what’s crazy is they want a rematch after I win so your argument is moot. There is no excuse to a one and done These are facts
@richardsinclair7661
3 ай бұрын
@@just_2swift My dude, if you hunt people down because they won't give you a rematch, you need help. No one is owed a rematch, and the only reason they rematched you on a different account is because they thought you were a different person. Please stop being a fucking weirdo.
@crisisjack
3 ай бұрын
IVE BEEN SAYING SOME CHARACTERS PLAY LIKE NARUTO ULTIMATE NINJA STORM.
@RealMikeHollow
3 ай бұрын
KATON BEYBLADE NO JUTSU
@thememelords9491
3 ай бұрын
Alissa is like 60% of the reason i just havent played tekken in months and dont plan on starting again anytime soon
@Lugent25
3 ай бұрын
Tekken community aren't your typical open minded gamers in general, the hate for characters like Alisa makes 0 sense, shes a unique looking character, although her chainsaw is a bit annoying at times, her design is not your typical and by that definition she should be more embraced, and it's quite funny seeing Jack gets more of a pass than her in general but it's quite obvious why that is the case.😉
@moxdegiourno7984
3 ай бұрын
labbing with alisa her chainsaw is nuts now than tekken 7 thats the only thing i hate for alisa
@Eedorian
3 ай бұрын
@@moxdegiourno7984 Sidestep to the left and when she uses one of her lows, she is either minus (time to use dickjab) or her chainsaws go off. Her flying mix up is also sidewalkable.
@Lugent25
3 ай бұрын
@@moxdegiourno7984 Same.
@baconbitz7804
3 ай бұрын
Jack gets less hate because his pressure is weaker and he has to play tekken
@moxdegiourno7984
3 ай бұрын
@@baconbitz7804 somehow true lol, with alisa right now in tekken 8 i have to be patient but with jack somehow it feels like playing normal tekken with a combination of gigas now
@djtoxicdhg
3 ай бұрын
Yea fengway and king are busted
@Velindian
3 ай бұрын
Least salty Lars hater.
@Stassis
3 ай бұрын
People don't like strong gimmick characters.
@mfbandit7930
3 ай бұрын
dragu was never top 1, people just didnt know how to deal with his shit and couldnt break throws
@RealMikeHollow
3 ай бұрын
I disagree. The character has really good frames, high damage, excellent wall carry, strong strike and throw mix ups and can move well. Those are reasons enough to have a discussion on how strong he is.
@SD-mi2vc
3 ай бұрын
Cope
@RjFox09
3 ай бұрын
People hate every characters except the one's they play..
@nerooyeye2196
3 ай бұрын
Exactly. It's not any deeper than this😂
@Channel1Mind
3 ай бұрын
Not true because they will also say that their main is weaker than they are. Get good....😂
@RealMikeHollow
3 ай бұрын
I hate fighting Feng too. Sh*ts a nightmare.
@thedoingthedoing8619
3 ай бұрын
I feel like when i lose to bryan, Kazuya, Jack, leroy and Bear its because they r better than me
@JalauroUrsa
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, 70% of the FGC is exactly this.
@captainzero4768
3 ай бұрын
My Dad whooped my ass with Bison
@kzakulenga5138
3 ай бұрын
You have a great father 😅😅😂😂😂
@just_2swift
3 ай бұрын
“For him he’s my son, I? his father… but for me it was just a Tuesday”
@RealMikeHollow
3 ай бұрын
Your Dad is awesome.
@JalauroUrsa
3 ай бұрын
I like Bison as an all around evil villain, but I hate that I can't play as him, because I can't play charge characters.
@JalauroUrsa
3 ай бұрын
@@kzakulenga5138For him, the day his Dad whooped his ass, was the best day of his life. For his Father, it was Tuesday.
@northernstar5941
3 ай бұрын
It's Tekken 8 -- every character is a problem character.
@a.eb.a1507
3 ай бұрын
Except my main🤓
@theanti-hypemonitor9079
3 ай бұрын
except claudio and steve
@14zrobot
3 ай бұрын
ainoway, it is only true for my main
@MaoriGamerDood
3 ай бұрын
This is the best reply I've seen this week 😂
@christoferprestipino7433
3 ай бұрын
Nah, Kaz, Bryan, Paul aren’t even in the same conversation as Victor, Lara, Alisa and the bears. It’s not Tekken 8, it’s the characters. I don’t care how good feng and drag are, I prefer playing them ANY day over the ones mentioned above, cause at least I’m still playing Tekken.
@Dada244224
3 ай бұрын
Alisa main here. I don't listen what people say about her too x D
@jaydagoat946
3 ай бұрын
I mean if u have fun with her then that's all that matters😊
@a.eb.a1507
3 ай бұрын
Do you actually enjoy playing her? Not to disrespect just curious ngl everytime i can see that my opponent doesnt how to deal with her moves
@tontimmy45635
3 ай бұрын
Honestly hate alisa
@RealMikeHollow
3 ай бұрын
THEY MAIN ALISA.. GET EM' *grabs Shotty*
@slayera3113
3 ай бұрын
Same. She's been my main ever she got introduced in T6 and I'll always love her. Alisa mains rise up!!
@dontpetentertainment3450
3 ай бұрын
I'd rather fight any character you mentioned over Hwoarang . Not countering Hwoarang properly means he traps you in infinite pressure the entire match and that's extremely obnoxious.
@Fierydice
3 ай бұрын
You can't hope to beat hwoarang without ducking his highs
@KoufalKoufax
3 ай бұрын
@@Fierydice damn you like getting plus framed by fengs? LOL i'd play against hwoarangs than feng whore mains
@ChizeSOI
3 ай бұрын
@@Fierydice sidestep
@truesuce_blehh
3 ай бұрын
hwoarangs actually gonna get even more nerfs i saw in the file leaks he gets in a motorcycle accident and gets crippled its over for us flamingo mains..💔💔
@RenTheDragon1975
3 ай бұрын
As someone that plays Two Characters Hated by the Tekken Snobs, I can say that I really don't give a Flying Fuck what they think and enjoy playing and Versing both of them. The trouble is that not everyone has a Thick Skin and feels pressured into playing an "Honest" aka "Boring to play" imo Character to feel accepted as a Tekken Player. This is "Tekken" it is not "Mishimas, Bryan & Steve The Game" The sooner players accept that. The Happier we will all be.
@RealMikeHollow
3 ай бұрын
Reveal your characters to us *holds swarm back* But that's the right mentality. Who cares what people think? We all sh*t on certain characters but that shouldn't stop anyone using them.
@RenTheDragon1975
3 ай бұрын
@@RealMikeHollow I main Zafina, and Alisa is my secondary ..... They were my Team in Tag 2 when they were both nowhere near the Top Tier. I'm a Character Loyalist and have stuck with both of them ..... Zafina is Still my Main even though Alisa is Stronger in this Game.
@ultraola4588
3 ай бұрын
The problem is, we’ll never be happy because your character isn’t fun to fight, Tekken is a game routed in martial arts, the anime shit by itself isn’t the bad part but it’s when you actively stop having fun purely because of the characters mechanics is when people have a problem, and just like how you’re right to not care about what people think of you, the people who play against unfun characters to fight are right to have 0 respect for people who play said characters. Just because you don’t mind fighting them that doesn’t apply to everyone
@RenTheDragon1975
3 ай бұрын
@@ultraola4588Spoken like a True Tekken Snob ..... I have Zero Respect for players that want to cherry pick which characters are acceptable to play ..... I hate to Vs Lars, Law, Azu and Raven .... but I am man enough to still respect the players of those characters. Jokey Banter and digs are fine but your message stinks of Serious Snobbery. You can hate a character but to show the players of that character no respect is just sad and immature imo.
@ultraola4588
3 ай бұрын
@@RenTheDragon1975 "Respect" is vague, being "man enough to still respect" could mean different things depending on the person. And no, if you're trying to enjoy playing a game and somebody plays a character that actively makes you not enjoy what you're trying to enjoy, you aren't obligated to have respect so it isn't sad and immature, to put it into perspective this is what it seems like. "You play this game to have fun, I'll play this character and ruin your fun but I don't care because I'm having fun myself. Respect me!" As I said in my original comment, the guys in question are free to not care about what people think of them, they can play the game wether they get respect or not, but the guys who are fighting them aren't obligated to respect them, that lack of obligation of respect comes from a logical place so I wouldn't say its sad or immature.
@LyriaAstralius
3 ай бұрын
Any character can be deemed annoying by any player. Moral of the story, ignore losers and enjoy the characters you love
@jairusmc3893
3 ай бұрын
The issue with Johnny isn’t his plus frames, it’s just that no one else can truly contest him aside from Peacemaker, which makes MK1 dull.
@angel2x813
3 ай бұрын
That’s what I’ve been saying but the main narrative in mk1 is to just water characters down to make it fair to the casuals
@just_2swift
3 ай бұрын
@@angel2x813 I said that as well especially when cyrax was nerfed. The Kameos were never the issue it was character balance.
@OctopusH2O
3 ай бұрын
@@just_2swiftits both
@just_2swift
3 ай бұрын
@@OctopusH2O it's not
@miles6120
3 ай бұрын
@@just_2swiftKameos is a dog water mechanic that made NRS water down half the cast to justify the existence of kameos which in turn leads to and or emphasizes just how unbalanced this trash game is Some characters are complete without Kameos Some characters absolutely need a kameo to feel complete … it’s def both
@MadMylesy
3 ай бұрын
Completely agree. I mained Leroy since his release on 7 and i still do today. Gave me this label playing him only cuz hes busted when i just thought he was fun and cool. He was pure gimmick and cheese, but i never cared. Remember Cyrax in Mk9 or Fujin in 11? How much trash those players received lol. But finding the OPs takes so long. Ssbu took MKLeo to win Evo with P5 joker to make people realise he was a problem. Then he got nerfed.
@thebulgarianstelian123
3 ай бұрын
FENG HAS A SORE BACK FROM CARRYING XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
@KoufalKoufax
3 ай бұрын
true now he been nerf and they will cry
@jl53588
3 ай бұрын
3:20 oh boy here we go again...... Its kind of ironic that you dont wanna say Feng is a problem character where as you are quick to say Lili is a problem character...... How many Lilis hurt you? 😂
@a.eb.a1507
3 ай бұрын
He literally said feng was top 2 💀
@RealMikeHollow
3 ай бұрын
It's like God only gave certain people ears on this planet. I must have outlined in multiple times that there is an argument for Feng to be Top 1 but I think he floats in the Top 3. How can I think he floats in the Top 3 and also not think he's a problem character? And for the record, Lili has been hurting me since Tekken 5... Like almost every other character in Tekken.
@jl53588
3 ай бұрын
@@RealMikeHollow First of all yes i did hear what you said about Feng being top 3 but you didnt call him a "problem" character. Maybe I misunderstood what you mean by problem character because my idea of a problem character is a character who is extremely op like Day 1 Leroy in Tekken 7 or characters like the ones you mentioned in this vid (Alisa, Lars, Victor) because of their anime shenanigans that dont feel like Tekken. Pretty much characters that are unhealthy for the game. My bad for misunderstanding what you mean by it but just stating Lili is not a problem character. We can debate whether or not shes top/high tier (which i dont think she is) but thats a discussion for another time.....
@a.eb.a1507
3 ай бұрын
@@RealMikeHollow i think that may be a good video subject "what makes a true problem character"
@KoufalKoufax
3 ай бұрын
@@RealMikeHollow the point is you're making this video while playing feng lol you dont have the right to say anything about problem character LOL
@elainemendoza8665
3 ай бұрын
My argument is when someone can program a bot to mash one button and you’re able to legitimately level up….that is brain dead and I don’t respect those characters
@ultraviolet793
3 ай бұрын
That's a really good point, and I haven't thought about it TBH. I rather fight any feng or drag, than victor, alisa and lars; they just made no sense in a msrtial art fighting game. Don't get me wrong, I hate Feng but the match is somehow fair, and with enough skill and knowledge you and win; but the other 3 are just annoying and makes me don't want to rematch.
@Gideos549
3 ай бұрын
Feng is annoying yeah, but a least you doesnt need to learn in which precise moment you have to press a jab to interrupt an specific stance. You didnt interrupt precise enough? welp, sorry bro, you're launch - Basically my experience with lars and victor. Alisa, well, one time i SS the High attack of the Attack mode, when i went to punish onee tick of the chainsaw clipped me, i lost the punish, the round and my shit.
@nerooyeye2196
3 ай бұрын
@Gideos549 it's not just about interrupting tho. Lars doesn't really have good frames on block aside from DEN 3, so alot of his offense is fake or can be punishedon block. Lars players also aren't afraid to use stuff that's punishable on block because they know that people don't want to lab the character. I understand that lars is annoying, but sometimes ya'll just continue to let lars press buttons even when it's your turn
@personperson1254
3 ай бұрын
In MK1, as much as I enjoy to play characters like reptile, scorpion, sub, and a few others, they will always get outclassed by characters like Johnny and Sindel. The only reason for this is that characters that are top tier in MK1 are the best for their archetypes while the low tiers are just worse. At launch, I used to main raiden because I was so excited to play him as his gameplay looked so complex and interesting. Sadly it was much more simple than I hoped but he was still fun until people started rage quitting in Kombat League and it wasn’t enjoyable. Just to find the game fun again, I went to main reptile, my second most anticipated character, but he’s either average or just bad compared to all the top tiers. Over time I’ve just started to lose respect for people playing the annoying top tiers because it’s all I see in Kombat League now. If all characters were just as powerful in their own special ways(Like Guilty Gear Strive) then I think I’d have equal respect for everyone and I’d actually have fair fights but we’re far from that.
@MaoriGamerDood
3 ай бұрын
You took the words right outta my head. Play whoever the hell you want. Don't let the mindset of others dictate who you should play. The people who lose no matter who they play, they always say "You only won because I lost." The Last message I got was actually such a hilarious one. My Last message was, "Bro what happened? why did you let me win?" I said. Sorry got a call from work. They Said "Oh. Well GGS anyway👍." I always seem to get nice messages. 😂😂😂
@Regula_joe
3 ай бұрын
Fighting games are such a complicated beast. I was an Alex main in sf5 and boy did I complain about what I felt my boy Alex needed. Then I saw problem x play him in tournament and destroy even punk and i thought ....fml. Im just gonna shut up and try and understand the game better because clearly the problem was me and not Alex😂
@classicsagat
3 ай бұрын
They're in the game. Guess what, tough shit, deal with it. I play Alisa, I win, I lose. You don't like it? At least I'm not cheating with auto BS. I play Alisa because she's fun. I also don't one and done, unless it's a connection issue or something out of my control.
@ColonCommander
Ай бұрын
Alisa is considered top tier
@NoGunPowder.
3 ай бұрын
Your feng has improved holy shit
@henplay7399
3 ай бұрын
M bison is the most annoying ass character ever he damn sure shouldn’t have came back and I’ve been a Paul player but I didn’t know he got buffed I haven’t played Tekken in awhile
@RealMikeHollow
3 ай бұрын
Bisons return.. IS.. GLORIOUS!
@ryu1rk
3 ай бұрын
I don't think people should complain about match ups in Tekken 8. Taking control of the replay to find options really helps. It seems people want the game to be easier by design rather than train. I just wish the online connection was better.
@nerooyeye2196
3 ай бұрын
Ngl, i enjoy when people are annoyed with my main(lars)😂. If you don't respect lars, then it is what it is. I know because I main lars(and hwoarang) people won't listen to anything I have to say, but I think it's kinda wrong to say lars is cheap and braindead, but he is annoying tho. In the end, tekken players will complain about any character that they lose to regularly, so I can't really take anyone's opinion seriously in this game.
@kngwaffler2666
3 ай бұрын
Feng Player Detected. Opinion on Character Types Accepted
@RealMikeHollow
3 ай бұрын
Societal acceptance of Feng does bring a smile to my face.
@thomasschmidt1452
3 ай бұрын
Agree with u. I have played Xiaoyu for 4 years (mained her from t7). And every second player calls her cheap and worries how I can lose on a broken character (or why I don't know that that combo is -13 or -12 on block). It's easy to call any character cheap and never play him, but u'll never understand his downsides (for example, Ling in t7 was good only at evasion and setups (before 5.1), everything else was garbage). P.S. btw Feng is cheap. He has almost everything (50/50, good pokes, strong ch play, evasion, fast safe mid homing, parries, stance pressure, and threatening oki play). And most of his key moves are above average. I don't see any weaknesses except the level of play and laziness of most Feng players
@Awesmic1
3 ай бұрын
Alisa gave a whole new meaning to giving head since Honda's Sumo Headbutt. You gotta respect the creativity here... But on a serious note, I got my own share of characters that I consider my own personal four horsemen of the apocalypse in fighting games: Athena from KOF, Ibuki from SF, and May and Elphelt from Guilty Gear. But it was moreso the players using them than the characters themselves that made them traumatizing to play against at the time.
@ssensei34
3 ай бұрын
I finally spent time to learn how to beat the bears. Now that I beat them more often, I can clearly see the people who main them are not actually good. They don’t rematch if they lose, or they just keep using the same flow chart since no one forces them to do anything else. It’s okay to play the bears, but I don’t like that it seems that most just want easy wins from knowledge checking everyone
@DookJob
3 ай бұрын
Literally cant play with one of my friends because he only plays Alisa, Xiaoyu, and eddy and leaves when I win even one match. And that is not a unique mindset in the Tekken community. Its no mystery why they get hate. Also they plug more often.
@jondavis3427
3 ай бұрын
Tell your friend stop being scrubby
@DookJob
3 ай бұрын
@@jondavis3427 If only that would solve things....
@jondavis3427
3 ай бұрын
@@DookJob haha I'm sure you've tried
@seegurke5333
3 ай бұрын
"Brother eww" 😂
@Evixyn
3 ай бұрын
I find all this stuff trivial and juvenile in my opinion. I have to bring up a point with what sonic fox has said and I do not like sonic fox. Players these days are too docile and do not lab. If many spent time in the training labbing every character match up and learn what is plus and the frame data the individual will have a better time with the title. Two decades ago when patches did not exist one will either have to accept and learn the match up or quite the game, it was heavily simple. I understand that many do not have the time for such but that should not be an excuse in my opinion. I have play a few current title, I am not saying that I am best or anything just an mediocre player at best, ha ha. The bison press I understand in street fighter V I played Lara by my issue was Rashid, ha ha. I played soul caliber six and even their main roster characters do not play the same game as the rest of the cast. I understand that many do not like those tropes but one has to learn that match up. Lastly character hate is heavily juvenile. Individual sending messages due to a player besting them with a "Top tier, cheap, non conventional, zoner, & lame character" is entertaining to me. That is just a cope that individuals use as a lack of skill. Players should never fill pressure to use those characters due to what other believes are. If I used akuma in Tekken or street fighter it is because I want win and I do like akuma. It is honestly that simple. Play what you like or play what will bring you the best results with little effort. That is how you win, especially if currency is on the line.
@mrxgonngiveitoya1855
3 ай бұрын
I play and really like Victor as a character, and I completely understand the frustration when dealing with him. But I believe people should play whatever makes them feel happy or comfortable, even if it's Lucky Chloe, lol.
@RealMikeHollow
3 ай бұрын
Not Lucky Chloe ☠️☠️☠️
@gabehorne4791
3 ай бұрын
Oh nah bro said the forbidden L word 💀
@SD-mi2vc
3 ай бұрын
Tekken not for you
@lightspaceman5064
3 ай бұрын
Now that MvC2 is back I can’t wait for new players legit asking for Storm, Magneto and Sentinel, nerfs.😂
@Channel1Mind
3 ай бұрын
Alisa has never made me want quit playing. The only characters that made me want to rage quit Tekken 7-8 was Kazuya, Jin, Kazumi, Asuka, Leroy, Azucena.
@jjba3553
3 ай бұрын
I have a strong hatred for Bison, every time I see him it just reminds me of the money I lost trying to beat him in the sf2 cabinets, and whenever I lose to a bison it just brings that feeling right back
@Shedrick_Goldsmith
3 ай бұрын
I don't think any one character can be carried passed blue ranks. Once you get there, you deserve some type of credit no matter who you play with or how you get the wins. Coming from Kazuya main. With that being said, Alisa and Lars are annoying as hell at any rank.
@c.c.anubis
3 ай бұрын
I actually enjoy playing against Alisa, because if I lose to her, I know 100% the loss is on me, either the player was better than me, or I just played it like a potato. As an Alisa player myself, I know the match-up, so the random shitty Alisa won't get away with anything, so for me, there's no reason to say she's cheap or anything. Granted, for me, a "cheap" character is a character that can rob you even if you know the match-up, and Alisa isn't like that, if you know the match-up, she's got nothing and is the most fundamental character in the game, because the moment you know the match-up, all she has are pokes.
@Lugent25
3 ай бұрын
This.
@shreeanshmahapatra2313
3 ай бұрын
I love playing against alisa's insane chip dmg. Her chainsaw pressure in heat is so fun to go up against.
@c.c.anubis
3 ай бұрын
@@shreeanshmahapatra2313 mitigate the risk. After DES f1+2 do a backdash, almost every single option will whiff. Backdash works against other options as well but against other moves you might need to backdash two or three times to cause a whiff. Side step block will evade all moves that can be stepped while block the others, leaving you vulnerable only to lows, so start making reads. 3rd option you have when hit by things like DES d1 or you blocked DES f1, is a dickjab, you will trade with DES 1, which does almost no damage in that situation, and beat everything beside DES u/f1+2 as that's the only option that low crushes. Alisa only deals "insane chip damage" if you stand there and take it, but you have multiple options to force her to respect you, or at the very least, take away her chainsws.
@karelkantelaar1357
3 ай бұрын
Hahah this guy said alisa is the most fundamental character in the game
@Lugent25
3 ай бұрын
@@karelkantelaar1357 She is, she actually requires skills, don't be salty because you use broken masculine characters so you hate everything of the opposite of that and think it's cheap lmao.
@omnigrohk4440
3 ай бұрын
Yo. Zafina main here. And i completely disagree with your point in the vid. Nobody is playing Zafina for a reason. Im not even close to pro player level of play, and so i only not long ago out of curiosity get into practice mode and looked at her frames.. Jesus F. Christ, they are awful. You doing EVERYTHING results in you giving up your turn, almost none ok normal hit launchers, only ch. And hell, some of them are 30+ frames startup. Why? On top of that this stupid HP-cost moves gimmick, one of the best low pokes sealed behind stance, 2 shitty PC if not in heat. and even heat doesn't do the trick and you just left there without any options except DF+1 or just jabs when oponent knows matchup. Oh, also, there is practically no option to go in heat mode except for 2+3, cos engagers is so bad. Even her movement is worse than in T7. I agree that in T7 she was straight up busted, but this is not an excuse to make her THIS BAD in T8.
@alexzandermanning6094
3 ай бұрын
Idk man. Maybe feng Wei is an odd character to go against . He’s a monster to face in red- purple ranks. In blue ranks he falls off? I haven’t lost to a feng in blue ranks yet . In fact I OUTPOKE most of them with PAUL. 😂 idk maybe blue rank players are over thinking him or something. Maybe he gets scarier again in king/god ranks
@lennythesatan7747
3 ай бұрын
I play Alisa from the moment I picked tekken 6 (after some time). Not sure why, probably anime or some other stuff. And she was my one of the most played characters since. Even in Tekken 8. Is she strong? Yes, but I think heat system and chip made her way agressive, like many other characters.
@songoku9348
3 ай бұрын
Man I’d hate to see that Tekken players will think of Sparking Zero then, the game is purposely unbalanced. Tekken fans are fragile creatures after all.
@darkspartan86
3 ай бұрын
I haven't gotten any messages from Tekken players (Thank God lmao) but its strange, I've never looked at characters as carrying people or as too strong...until Tekken 8. I've been playing Paul since Tekken 3 and Feng since he debut in Tekken 5, so I look at them as my legacy main & secondary. I will say that I find it weird that people will just switch to a character because they got buffed. I don't care how bad Paul is in a game or how good he is, thats my main. I'm not going to switch to someone else because they got buffed, I find it so strange when people do that. I know people want to win but damn stand on business and show people whats up with your character not the flavor of the month. I do feel a bit weird using Paul now because he got buffed because people might think I'm on the bandwagon, I will say though I have never thought Paul needed buffs in any Tekken. He's missing some mix up tools in my opinion but he's strong enough, that new way he can dash into his new stance looks so out of place lol, its like someone modded them game.
@Impalingthorn
2 ай бұрын
I'm just gonna go ahead and say it's a bit hypocritical to tell people to play or hate whichever characters they do but then immediately take the hard stance of "If you only want to play one match with me then don't talk to me". Like, maybe people just find the way you play frustrating. Don't fault the people for that, you don't know and can't mind read why they decided they didn't want to rematch. I am speaking from the heart here, I am an Astaroth main in SC. I am USED to that process.
@Something5059
3 ай бұрын
Prepare to face cheese if playing a fighting game. Every character has cheese, the more obvious ones will always be made fun of like fang. Can it be dealt with? Yes, but people want to play their way and not in a different way when facing off against these characters. Don't take the game so seriously that you stop playing a character you like. If pros don't have enough pride to stick to a "honest" character should you? As for fang not being cheap he has stupid evasion that can be just as bad as lars movements if you don't know how to deal with it. The same can be said about multiple characters.
@alexzandermanning6094
3 ай бұрын
Mane idgaf about more people playing Paul . He still is not an auto win character . He has an over reliance on out playing the opponent. If you’re picking him up expecting easy wins past blue ranks people are in for a rude awakening . And besides . Paul was #1 character in NA for all 4 seasons in T7 I believe . He’s the strongest in the universe for a reason .
@liakominazuma808
3 ай бұрын
I play Xiaoyu and Hwoarang, but I don't play online it's not easy playing as Xiaoyu or Hwoarang there are some characters in the game I hate playing against. I get floated too much by them. Computer or ghost battle, it's just hard to win against them... Jin is a pain. I only play Xiaoyu and Hwoarang they are the only characters I like to play because I like their style of play. That's just how it is, I tried to play Leo but it messed up my Xiaoyu combos so badly that I gave up on Leo
@thatpersoneveryoneknowsbut7533
3 ай бұрын
I never choose not to play characters just because there broken i simply play who i enjoy the most never a specific archetype either in Tekken i play Ling Xiaoyu and Reina in Soul calibur i play Siegfried and Talim in Dead or alive i play Brad Wong and Ayane in Street fighter i like 8:17 Rashid
@davideguernieri5115
3 ай бұрын
You guys just cant understand the frustration it is to play Bryan against Alisa, for example. With that being said, i dont blame you for picking the character you like to play, thats ok. But i am free to decided whether to play u again or not, and you cant stop that either. I dont want to play against a character with a casino mechanic in chainsaws that deals cheap damage on block twice and that can allow you to bypass learning spacing entirely. Thats my choice aswell. F Alisa.
@young8584
3 ай бұрын
I would rater have t8 because my character also has bullshit. Mk1 is just favorites get everything and patches are just nurf nurf nurf boring ass game😴
@Jinkuzu
3 ай бұрын
I get alot of people like when all things in the game are op and frankly I can get it. But I just get frustrated out of my mind and much rather have the overall power celling to be lower.
@giantdinoboy8264
3 ай бұрын
As an enjoyer of the grappler archetype, I get so must disrespect. It's something about "if I respect your pressure you'll grab me." This just sounds like poor sportsmanship to me.
@rx.78
3 ай бұрын
I like to switch up between rushdown, zoner, or grappler characters because I like variety in my gameplay. By default I always have to expect that if I don't pick a rush down character someone's going to bitch and moan regardless of whether the character is strong or weak. Some people just don't want to learn anything other than being 2 inches from each other, trying to mash interrupt.
@giantdinoboy8264
3 ай бұрын
@@rx.78 This was intended to be a joke but being 100% serious I think that we all have archetypes that we don't tend to respect. For a while I've hated projectile zoning but I've tried to play projectile zoners and I get it (except for the few zoners with auto tracking projectiles in anime games, actual red light/green light BS!).
@rx.78
3 ай бұрын
@giantdinoboy8264 See I don't blame them because I was the same way. It took me making the effort to learn the other archetypes that made me appreciate them. Same with charge characters. Used to hate playing as them until I really decided to learn them and realize the problem was me, not the characters. I don't hate rush down at all, but I do hate the sort of "if it ain't rushdown it's cheap" mentality some people have.
@RealMikeHollow
3 ай бұрын
Grab them and show no mercy, sir ☝🏾
@randallhallii7315
3 ай бұрын
Great video as always. At this point there are no 'fair' characters anymore. This is Tekken 8 and everyone has cheese. Those days are over.
@jumpfold
3 ай бұрын
I never understood that mentality most of these people aren't at a high enough skill level for it to matter. I'm a huge Bison fan super excited to have my main back in SF
@RealMikeHollow
3 ай бұрын
I can't wait for his return!
@fastvalkary725
3 ай бұрын
@@RealMikeHollowImagine if they eventually gave him his Alpha design. It would look so fire in VI
@simpleclonetrooper2740
Ай бұрын
As a Law player I get shit on daily😂
@jondavis3427
28 күн бұрын
Deserved
@simpleclonetrooper2740
28 күн бұрын
@@jondavis3427 I take solace knowing that Dragunov is more hated atm
@geijienduro7610
3 ай бұрын
zafina is not easy to play well might be one of the reasons you will not see her often same as Ling. She is really hard to use i have no idea where this idea that Ling is brain dead came from lol.
@Masta_jay
3 ай бұрын
I've been using Alisa since Tekken 6 and I completely understand why people hate the character lol
@DanPankrat
3 ай бұрын
I don’t understand how can anyone hate Alisa? You should hate Feng and Lily, because they’re useless
@Zylo82
3 ай бұрын
Two reasons why I use King is because i like grapplers and most importantly.... It reminds me of playing Bloody Roar. My all Time favorite fighting franchise. Konami Sucks.
@RealMikeHollow
3 ай бұрын
Konami sucks big time.
@Zylo82
3 ай бұрын
@@RealMikeHollow Konami holding the franchise hostaged and doing nothing with it.
@The-Honored-One
3 ай бұрын
I've dealt with this exact problem. I started the game (first Tekken ever) and picked Dragunov off of vibes (and characters repeating voice lines when doing moves is annoying to me). Did some matches with my friends: complaints, complaints, complaints. I switched to Leroy, who then got massively buffed and got called a bandwagon whatever-the-fuck. I'm back to Dragunov again, hopefully permanently (but Craig, Miguel, and Fahkuhram make me wonder.)
@RealMikeHollow
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, don't worry too much about what other people think bro. Just do what makes you happy. I'm a Marduk main so you can imagine what people were saying to me in Tekken 7 😂
@THSigma420
3 ай бұрын
I don't like Zafina because she made the problem worst in the story and died after it.
@jibsdibs1624
3 ай бұрын
I hate all characters
@RealMikeHollow
3 ай бұрын
A man of culture.
@marksantiago9841
3 ай бұрын
Devil jin is a weak character. You are saying that he has ewgf as a great tool? You know that move is difficult to consistently do? Why does dvj have to work that hard to be good while other characters, such as your precious main dont have to work as hard? Dvj doesn’t have a lot of options, he used to, then people bitched about it and now he has nothing
@RealMikeHollow
3 ай бұрын
He has nothing? NOTHING? Come on, man. I play DVJ on the side with friends and I just don't see that. I think a few of the nerfs were unnecessary but he's not unusable or the worst character in the game.
@grizzgreen6821
3 ай бұрын
14:11 I fucking love your content dude you crack me up 😂😂😂. I feel the same way when someone 1 n done me after they beat me. I have 1 n done before but only after a loss and only if the connectin is just fucking awful to the point I don't learn anything about my matchup. Other than that I happily play the full set even if I get my ass stomped
@RealMikeHollow
3 ай бұрын
😂😂 thank you, sir. Appreciate ya ☝🏾
@rockydagoat7201
3 ай бұрын
it's pretty sad how a lot of people in the fgc think. tekken has never been a "honest" or fundamental only game. There has always been gimmicky characters in the game. tekken 1 we had yoshimitsu doing yoshi things. tekken 2 kazuya was the only character who could side step. kuma being kuma for all tekkens and more. i 100% understand that some characters are very annoying to fight against, but i hate it when people get mad at the player for playing them. its stupid. btw nice vid. 🔥
@melthework4511
3 ай бұрын
I made a post on Reddit asking which character is honest and no one could give me a consistent answer. People are just gonna hate who they hate.
@weiwu1442
3 ай бұрын
@@melthework4511 fr its honestly hard to say a characters honest, even a difficult character to play like bryan can do some wild shit like a 120 damage combo off a 15 frame punish if the player has good execution
@mmmk6322
3 ай бұрын
lmao you pulling tekken 1 and 2 as if it means anything. Tekken only started having "reasonable" balance in tekken 5 fated retribution Afterwards it was just getting more and more equal with pretty fair representation accross the board with a few pretty silly exceptions in every game, like Lars and Bob tekken 6 and Akuma and DLC of Tekken 7.
@Enat1510
3 ай бұрын
I mean cool that you have all this knowlegde and can tell us all about it, but I wonder what lead to the decision to exclusively show us your Feng gameplay instead of giving visual examples.
@RealMikeHollow
3 ай бұрын
Because it's much easier to edit and most people told me that they like my gameplay in the background so unless it's necessary, I usually do it that way. Between two jobs and gym, it ain't always easy to get the video out exactly how I want it so I do what I can with the time I have.
@kenauro7169
3 ай бұрын
Good video but how come you say that feng isnt top 1 because you would see him dominating tournaments but then say (with lili as an example) that tournament appearances dont derermine a characters strength
@RealMikeHollow
3 ай бұрын
Because when a character is overwhelming powerful you see top players flock to them because they want to get paid. They see it more as a job than us casuals so they're going to use the character that gives them the best chances of winning, but that doesn't always mean that they're going to find the strongest or most competent character. So, in Lilis case.. she's a bit like Makotos situation on 3s. A very strong character that was undiscovered and unexplored until one player came along and showed how strong she was. She wasn't seen in tournaments before that. So, basically.. tournament players will always go to the strongest known characters (Feng according to many) but tournament players won't always know every single character to the extent that they should and so some go under the radar (Lili for example).
@natman2939
3 ай бұрын
Feng is overpowered? No wonder LTG plays him
@j-man5198
3 ай бұрын
If your getting hate mail for winning then your doing the right thing. 👍🏿
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