Did Charlie Kirk say with a straight face that Trump's coal policy brought "back" to Appalachia "hundreds of thousands" of jobs? As a former citizen of West Virginia until 2021 I can assure you that is complete and utter nonsense.
@JohnSmith-yd5wq
2 жыл бұрын
There were more coal jobs under Obama than anytime under Trump. Also under Biden right now there are more manufacturing jobs now than ANYTIME under trump. Which there was a ten year low in manufacturing jobs under trump before COVID.
@EyeonthePrize247
2 жыл бұрын
@@JohnSmith-yd5wq The m@ga “republicans” don’t want to hear the facts, John. Facts are of no importance to them nor do they go along with their narrative. Plus, anything that someone outside of their party says that doesn’t perfectly match up with their beliefs result in retorts consisting of character assault, name calling, general insults, gross accusations, assumption of any and all beliefs, parroted talking points, denial, whataboutism, and finally, outright refusal to believe anything that’s said regardless of solid, reputable sources/evidence. It’s equivalent to a kid having a temper tantrum covering their ears while loudly yelling “Nope, you’re wrong and I’m right! I’m not listening, I’m not listening, I’m not listening!” - and we’re the triggered sheep? LMFAO.
@FM-dm8xj
Жыл бұрын
source:trust me bro
@benjaminasmus3980
Жыл бұрын
@@FM-dm8xj the source is the employment rate is at an all time high. But I understand how that is hard to find being a Kirk fan also makes you unable to read and understand common sense and facts.
@FM-dm8xj
Жыл бұрын
@@benjaminasmus3980 What?Trumps admin had the lowest unemployments ever, especially for african americans, hispanics and so on..... Please lets not stray from the facts, I know the left doesnt deal with those though so.......
@StevieDamnit
6 жыл бұрын
Steven Crowder dodged a bullet when he chickened out of debating Sam Seder.
@jimifender22
6 жыл бұрын
I would've PAID to see Crowder debate. Sam handily beat Kirk, but I think he would've absolutely murdered Crowder. Would've been hilarious.
@onseayu
5 жыл бұрын
@@StevieDamnit if the bullet was made out of 100000 "uh ummm uhhh umm"s i'd dodge it too
@78karix
4 жыл бұрын
Why doesn't big Sam go after Ben Shapiro?
@thibaultl1956
4 жыл бұрын
Kyle Rix He has. Several times. Look it up and use that mega brain of yours.
@deaglenick50ae23
4 жыл бұрын
@@78karix lack of testicular fortitude lmao Shapiro would make him cry like chunk yogurt lol that debate was brutal lmao tyt is the worst type of ppl lol
@GarySmith-je1ii
5 жыл бұрын
Kirk's argument was dead once the audience started googling. lmao
@rajon5146
3 жыл бұрын
Lol what are the time stamps
@BeNicePlease2345
2 жыл бұрын
@@mariovilla2348 yea the facts are the Democratic Party is destroying the country
@tabwebster8019
2 жыл бұрын
Bro it wasn’t dead he just expanded in the context which Sam didn’t know since all he did was google, and his so called ending comment to win with was written on a frickin paper, if someone truly knows something you don’t need a paper common! And Charlie was ready to keep going but the moderator said I think we should stop it here because the guy knows Charlie haha
@tabwebster8019
2 жыл бұрын
Charlie was playing with Sam like a big dog vs little dog he let him say his BS half truths and Charlie added things to get Sam thinking just to keep things interesting because this was not a serious debate at all 🤣
@tabwebster8019
2 жыл бұрын
Why do you think Crowder didn’t even want to debate him at all because Sams a clown and Steven would not be able to take him serious at all but Charlie gave him the light of day and proved just that, he’s a clown
@AchannelA
3 жыл бұрын
Kirk's description of the middle class is NOT the middle class at all. He described the upper middle, not the middle. And the rest of what he said was based on the trickle down theory, which has never worked. It's an excuse to allow the huge wealth gap to continue.
@brianfederico5854
3 жыл бұрын
Uhh no dude. He was describing the lower middle class. Upper lower class is anybody who can go a month without a paycheck before needing financial assistance. Upper class is based on how much you have but lower and middle class can really only effectively be based on someone's debt to income (DTI) ratio. Meaning if you live in California and you have a annual salary of $100,000. But you have $50k in annual cost. You really only make $50k a year. BUT !!! in California you are required to pay (on the small end) 36% of that $100k in taxes. LEAVING YOU WITH EFFECTIVELY $14,000. of the original $100,000. So yeah middle class is a big zone
@chase-db9jo
3 жыл бұрын
Upper lower class? Dont hear that to often but i still dont think anyone lower class can go a month without help. Good thing for that guy with the 100,000 that taxes arent done that way.
@BeNice3525
3 жыл бұрын
@@brianfederico5854 36% ? I thought taxes were marginal that means that for a married couple it’s 12% until you hit 80k then it’s 22% for the remaining 20k but the standard deduction is 24k so in order for you to be taxed at 22% at all you’d have to make way more than 100k …you said Cali so are you saying when you add state and federal taxes you end up paying 36% ? I don’t get it please explain I’m not from Cali
@ZereayM
3 жыл бұрын
@@BeNice3525 you’ve got a solid understanding yourself, he just understands things the way Kirk does with no nuance, it’s marginal
@aaron-n
6 жыл бұрын
Live fact-checking Kirk is fun.
@TheStreetCorner
6 жыл бұрын
lol Sam kicked Charlie’s ass at the end about healthcare
@warmlycalculated390
5 жыл бұрын
And pretty much everywhere else too!
@silverfox389
3 жыл бұрын
@@warmlycalculated390 hell ya charlie and the shit in his pants!
@andrewknowles5250
3 жыл бұрын
@@dvlahos11 example: Trump won the 2020 Election.
@andrewknowles5250
3 жыл бұрын
@@dvlahos11 Just trying to help you with your definition of Delusion. I don't see how clear and current examples are irrelevant to the discussion.
@andrewknowles5250
3 жыл бұрын
@@dvlahos11 haha this is hilarious. If you have more, please continue. You've clearly drank the koolaid and I get a kick out of how you think! hahaha!
@faafafineartist
4 жыл бұрын
"Charlie Kirk was born into a wealthy Illinois family. His father, Robert W. Kirk, was the project architect manager for Trump Tower in New York."
@NotYurAverageJoe
4 жыл бұрын
iLindahLIFE source? Not objecting, just want to know where u got that.
@sovietsandvich8443
4 жыл бұрын
Nobody gives a shit. Address the actual arguments
@shaansiton7884
4 жыл бұрын
@@sovietsandvich8443 out of the hundreds of comments actually addressing the arguments, you singled this one out hahaha you know why it's a relevant comment don't be disingenuous
@sovietsandvich8443
4 жыл бұрын
Shaan Siton everyone knows Charlie Kirk has a pro trump/republican bias, although the fact that his family was wealthy is irrelevant. Either way, this was a waste of a comment
@shaansiton7884
4 жыл бұрын
@@sovietsandvich8443 hahaha no it's very relevant and at the very least interesting if Kirks family was literally on the Trump payroll 😂 if a leftist debater had family on the Clinton payroll I'm sure you'd think that's relevant
@gpokriff2
4 жыл бұрын
19:45 I went and looked this up, it does appear Sam is correct: The top 10% of American households, as defined by total wealth, now own 84% of all stocks according to National Bureau of Economic Research. That number does include indirect ownership of stocks via 401(k)s.
@kaboose64
3 жыл бұрын
Also Sam is correct about Glass-Steagall. Citigroup, which was one of the predominant reasons the market crashed in 2008, only formed because Glass-Steagall was replaced with the Grahma-Beach act which effectively enabled large banks to merge with risky investment groups. Literally one of the reasons why 2008 crash happened and Charlie was so wrong
@stocklesnar3183
3 жыл бұрын
Funny that institutions. retirement funds, and businesses own the vast majority of all stocks. Not households or people. But okay.
@jerrylatcher347
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, but as you mentioned, it includes indirect ownership of stocks via 401(k)s. So the implication people might get, 10% of Americans have 84% wealth stock wealth freely at their disposal, isn't correct. I think that was what Kirk was getting at.
@stocklesnar3183
3 жыл бұрын
Institutions like investment banks, firms and hedge funds own over 80% of all stocks, stop acting like its individual people/households who own the stocks, its a big group of people who all own the stocks in the name of businesses/firms/hedge funds. And the majority of the crash in 2008 was caused by leverage and financial derivatives of mortgage backed securities that were backed by mortgages that shouldnt have been handed out.(the mortgages default, and the levered investments go to 0) It had nothing to do with banks merging with risky investment groups. It was something called CDCs that everyone considered to be safe without digging deep into the mortgages that backed them and realizing that they had terrible fico scores and were bound to default. Risky investment groups had nothing to do with it. These investments were considered safe.
@gpokriff2
3 жыл бұрын
@@stocklesnar3183 As the National Bureau of Economic Research stated, the number includes indirect ownership of stocks. Businesses, institutions, and retirement funds are all owned by people - what you are saying is irrational.
@Cyberdemon11120
6 жыл бұрын
Charlie Kirk is a very load robot. He doesn't get that Health care isn't a choice people make, it's something everyone needs. If everyone needs it but not everyone can afford it in a market system, than people die/go bankrupt. People don't die/go bankrupt in a single payer system, they just have to pay their taxes. Taxes don't kill people, not having healthcare does. The government isn't coming for your life if you don't pay taxes on time. In addition to this, taxes don't even have to go up all that much if you allocate the tax burden more on the wealthy who can afford it and are already not paying their fair share. This is the richest country on the planet yet, we spend more money on War, Corporate welfare, and tax breaks for the wealthy than we do on programs that actually help citizens. If you pay taxes, you should get something in return. Medicare for All would be that something if we allow it. I'd personally say that markets don't work when it comes to something you need verses something you don't. You don't need a coach, a pen or an iphone to live so those things do great in a market system because you can choose not have them and not die from that choice. Medicine, running water, electricity, and com tech(phone/internet) are not things you can live without. There is no option which means there is no risk of someone refusing to buy. That means you can charge them what ever you want and they can't say no, otherwise they die. Thats not a market, it's blackmail.
@osvaldoreyes34
6 жыл бұрын
I hear he lives like a capitalist everyday
@KyleHUNK
6 жыл бұрын
@@osvaldoreyes34 uses government printed money and goes home to a property given by a govt property deed. real capitalist he is
@Mystrohan
5 жыл бұрын
What is Kirk even talking about with the war on coal? There aren't even 200,000 coal jobs in the US, so there's 100% of no way any deregulation could have created anywhere near that many jobs in Appalachia. He's straight up inventing statistics.
@trentirvin2008
5 жыл бұрын
Mystrohan similar to when he suggested small businesses employ 85 percent of the work force lmao
@Mystrohan
5 жыл бұрын
@@trentirvin2008 This is exactly the problem, though. People have learned from Trump that it's perfectly okay to make stuff up to try and support your argument, and lie your way out of sticky situations in front of a camera.
@trentirvin2008
5 жыл бұрын
Mystrohan that’s been going on since way before trump. It’s just more in your face now than ever before.
@Mystrohan
5 жыл бұрын
k d Nope. From what I’ve seen, the actual number was more like 2000
@Mystrohan
5 жыл бұрын
Miguel Garcia That’s the ticket!
@raidan6
4 жыл бұрын
What is happening? I'm 6 minutes in, fact check everything Charlie said and it's all false... why am I even here? What's the point of a debate if one person just straight up makes shit up...?
@massalo85
4 жыл бұрын
raidan6 Welcome to right wing politics
@epiphonecasino5903
4 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the US where all things right wing no matter how goofy they are, somehow makes sense and appeal to everyone who is ignorant, and even educated. We are a country full of intelligent non critical thinkers.
@nedaltrebor8553
4 жыл бұрын
fACts aNd LoGiC
@bruceharvey8118
4 жыл бұрын
raidan6 isn't Google a big supporter of the Democratic Party. So don't believe everything you see on Google.
@dylandrake5352
4 жыл бұрын
@@bruceharvey8118 it's a search engine, it doesn't make propaganda
@moosehat714
3 жыл бұрын
People think that if you speak confidently and louder you are right.....no wonder people are still fans of Steven Crowder
@96TeenSpirit
3 жыл бұрын
Louder with Crowder 🤷🏻
@LiamMill
3 жыл бұрын
Steven crowder was given the nick name cold feet crowder for a reason, he only debates against people that know little about topics his favorite topics. In a sense you can compare it to a pro boxer such as Jake paul wanting to only fight people that are of less skill then him to elevate his status and ego.
@Anthony-wf6oj
3 жыл бұрын
Who is the one cutting the other off and raising their voice? Did you watch a different debate than i just watched?
@LiamMill
3 жыл бұрын
@@Anthony-wf6oj Camino, Steven Crowder has ambushed Cenk Uygur on his own panel and talked over him, plus mocked him as he was speaking, at a panel he was not invited to be part of, now that is way worse then two people raising their voices a couple of times over each other and overall the debate between seder and kirk was pretty respectful in my opinion.
@LiamMill
2 жыл бұрын
@Lesco Brandon If crowder is a comedian, he needs to improve at it because he's not funny, he's probably up there with Brendan schaub at being unfunny.
@antimime666
4 жыл бұрын
as a person who worked at both banks and security company, Charlie don't have a clue how banks work. •
@thugly921
4 жыл бұрын
Him trying to pin all of the GFC on Fannie and Freddie was so cringe
@10003159
3 жыл бұрын
He's an NPC. he's been trained on how to respond to every argument with a talking point and then he goes down the dialogue tree. He hasn't studied finance at all
@Pinkerton000
6 жыл бұрын
lololol, Charlie Kirk doesn't understand finance AT ALL. Charging a bank fees is not charging the bank's depositors. The bank does not own those deposits, so when they pay a fee, that money is not coming from the deposits. It comes from their operating budget, which comes from their credit or their revenues...but those deposits are not credit to the bank and they are not bank revenue! Furthermore, they can't adjust their interest rates according to that because they already are setting their interest rates at what they determine to be the most competitive levels, thus changing rates would hurt them, so charging them fees also doesn't hurt consumers through interest rates. The guy only went to a community college and, therefore, could not have had more than the most basic and broad and shallow finance or economics instruction.
@Pinkerton000
6 жыл бұрын
Ugh, and he's fundamentally misunderstanding the stuff he talks about with china and trade and IP protections etc. Just let me freaking debate that guy! I actually do academic research on these topics professionally...
@Pinkerton000
6 жыл бұрын
WAAAAAHHHHH, Free markets don't work in every market! This is a universally accepted fact! That is why governments hold or support monopolies for police and fire departments and militaries and highways and public parks and air traffic control and ports and water and electricity and public transportation and waste collection and waste processing and and and and and and and. And most countries in the world include health insurance in this! And you don't have to be a genius to understand why! All you need is a few very basic simple economics concepts like economies of scale (threshold effects), public goods (and quasi-public goods), externalities and pricing of externalities, multiplier effects, and market failures. I mean jesus, there is a whole broad topic of discussion in economics called MARKET FAILURES! It is literally a whole list of ways that free markets can be unable to function efficiently without government intervention!
@armitagejake
6 жыл бұрын
Logic is missin on right wing economy thinking. How exactly competition wuld make a $200.000 high tech sofisticate surgery afordable for a $30.000/year income person????? Seems to me that right wingers live in some kind of alternative reality.
@tommyrosati9326
4 жыл бұрын
@@armitagejake You don't seem to understand economics like every leftist I have ever seen. Competition makes prices go down sir. If the prices don't go down, you go out of business.
@robertstan298
4 жыл бұрын
@@armitagejake They do. Their leaders just spew talking points and fear mongering shrouded in fallacies and inaccuracies. While their voting block simply just can't think things through well enough (or won't). Ergo why so much cognitive dissonance is present in people that uphold right wing ideologies.
@apmde
5 жыл бұрын
31:20 Charlie clearly doesn’t care about the deaths of tens of thousands.
@DannyBoy777777
3 жыл бұрын
@ Aidan And what have you done to show you care ?
@tmthylthm
3 жыл бұрын
@@DannyBoy777777 whataboutism.
@TheBerserk69
3 жыл бұрын
I find Seder very annoying to be honest, but can someone tell me why they think that Kirk won?Every single argument he said,was refuted so badly, he started raising his voice (let's not talk about FoxConn).I have paused and googled their statements and to me this was a bloodbath.I am not being sarcastic, honestly what facts/data am missing here?
@10003159
3 жыл бұрын
You're only missing the fact that this comment section is bombarded by salty Crowder fans.
@10003159
3 жыл бұрын
@@dvlahos11 majority report gets 200,000 views per day.. Every non Crowder fan and neutral thought Crowder ran from the debate. The only ones who are still defending him are the fanboys
@10003159
3 жыл бұрын
@@dvlahos11 he left within 5 minutes. Just before then he was constantly talking over Seder and coping by being the loudest ego maniac in the room. Ergo he ran.
@10003159
3 жыл бұрын
@@dvlahos11 social blade says crowder gets around 1.3 million views per day on average in the last 2 weeks. Majority report is averaging 470k views per day. That's right in line with their subscriber count (Crowder has 5x more). To run away from someone because he has less subscribers than you is just the most cowardly move. It doesn't matter if the one you're talking to has 10 million subs or 0 subs, as long as the ideas are worth discussing. Crowder debates randoms off the street but he won't debate any mainstream left wing KZitemr because he has cold feet.
@10003159
3 жыл бұрын
@@dvlahos11 Sam debates a crap ton of people. You can debate him yourself as he's open to talking with anyone at anytime..you just have to call into his show when he's live.
@phildeb4859
4 жыл бұрын
The "failed state of California" which is like the 7th largest economy in the world. Thats a good one.
@jared3888
4 жыл бұрын
Yea USA is the biggest economy in the world, but you people still call it failed. At least be consistent.
@zyrrhos
4 жыл бұрын
With a record budget surplus of $21.5 billion.
@wildberry752
4 жыл бұрын
Its the most communist esque state
@zyrrhos
4 жыл бұрын
@@wildberry752 You have no idea what you're talking about. Have you been to California? I live here. Have you been to a communist country? A socialist nation? A social democracy?
@itsjayswelly
4 жыл бұрын
@@wildberry752 don't use words that you don't know the meaning of.
@CliffBurton-py2jc
3 жыл бұрын
Is everyone commenting here because of what happened with Crowder?
@DatlTAE
3 жыл бұрын
Yea wanted to see this Sam seder Guy. Definitely would require a long form debate. I would love to see it and if they have they topics before hand they could put the research together effectively, however Crowder tends to do alot of countering and disputing when it comes to research as that is the whole change my mind and Skylar Turdin idea. When Charlie pushes and countered research Sam was left behind. However when Sam was in territory Charlie did not know Sam shined. Crowder would beat Sam I believe but a discussion on CDC guidelines definitely does not do justice to Sam or Crowder
@shayanshakeel3870
3 жыл бұрын
@@DatlTAE ty for being civil about it
@Skitlless
3 жыл бұрын
EXACTLY why I'm here
@dishsoap8428
3 жыл бұрын
Prospectively. I've been unaware of Sam Seder, and wanted to see why republicans avoid him. While watching, I am left to assume it's because he is a well-versed, firm, and direct leftist. Almost reminds me of Ben Shapiro's aggression and vindictiveness, but without talking extremely fast. Hoping Crowder actually debates him. I'm not sure why he cowered away like he did...😕 I was getting excited while I was watching Hasan Abi.
@7eventhLairHair
3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@priyonjoni
3 жыл бұрын
Who’s here after Crowder ran from Sam?
@gru66
3 жыл бұрын
I'm here to see if Sam Seder really is the obnoxious ahole he seems to be from that Crowder video.
@gru66
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, only a third of the way into the video and Sam Seder obnoxiously interrupts and accuses Kirk of lying. Sam Seder is pathetic.
@jackruby6696
3 жыл бұрын
Cope dork
@maxtitus5053
3 жыл бұрын
@@gru66 almost like lying is counterproductive to a rational debate. If you actually research what he accuses Charlie of you will find Sam actually is correct in his “assumption.”
@gru66
3 жыл бұрын
@@maxtitus5053 So what you're saying is that Charlie knows what he's saying is false, and doesn't believe it himself?
@seekertv4804
3 жыл бұрын
My right ear really enjoyed this video.
@MLPGamer44
5 жыл бұрын
Destiny really nailed Charlie Kirk when he said “all Charlie can do is try to run you down a dialogue tree” He literally gets cornered, and dodges by asking his own question to try and get you to play by his rules. It’s him trying to control the conversation. It’s a great debate tactic, but when you’re lying and not being honest, this tactic makes you look weak. He can’t talk to Sam when he is cornered, so he asks a question he already has a pre loaded answer to. Sam doesn’t fall for it, so Charlie has to keep moving on, never really nailing a single talking point.
@sagaciousassessor6237
5 жыл бұрын
He did the same thing with Hassan piker
@spiritualwarrior2425
3 жыл бұрын
Here about these "great minds"? Think they are so brilliant? What happened to Cenk when his employees wanted to unionize? Name one example of socialism working
@conservativeguitarsingerjs7937
3 жыл бұрын
We watched different debates I guess.
@conservativeguitarsingerjs7937
3 жыл бұрын
@@sagaciousassessor6237 with Hassan? Hahahahahaha. That’s the second funniest thing I’ve seen so far. Someone just said Ben Shapiro is afraid to debate Kyle Kalinsky which is pretty insane. I am really in disbelief there anybody on the left thing Hassan piker wasn’t the most embarrassing person on planet earth and that debate. I wish I could be a tribal dogmatic ideologue left-wing atheist so I can live in ignorant bliss lol I guess this is coming from the same people who think AOC is an intellectual. Sorry, supreme congresswoman Queen Alexandria Ocasio Cortez the magnificent and irrefutable. I guess you guys agree Ben Shapiro is cat calling her by challenging her to a debate lol
@sagaciousassessor6237
3 жыл бұрын
@@conservativeguitarsingerjs7937 not nearly as funny as watching you flail desperatley as your president loses the country. Please, keep dancing for me.
@MichaelKeville
4 жыл бұрын
Kirk is another in a long line of Republican grifters
@LayJD_
3 жыл бұрын
He's not just "another in a long line of Republican grifters". People like him are literally the reason why the Republicans and the right in general are the way they are at current.
@michaelwalsh5249
4 жыл бұрын
This argument is so uneven. Kirk is unable to understand the arguments that Sam discusses. Instead he dives into irrelevant statistics that he does not provide the proper context for. This was embarrassing for Kirk, hope the dude studies up.
@szahmad2416
3 жыл бұрын
Probably the most laughable gaffe he made, in hindsight, was the Foxconn example. Sam has a way of predicting the future correctly.
@timc9250
3 жыл бұрын
Lol you guys are the kind of political hacks who say joe biden is an excellent speaker.
@alcoholic1638
3 жыл бұрын
@@timc9250 he has a bit of a stutter but he’s usually pretty coherent. May be the problem is with you?
@timc9250
3 жыл бұрын
@@alcoholic1638 lol @ a bit of a stutter🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. That wins the political hack statement of the day! Your screen name fits you well🤣🤣.
@10003159
3 жыл бұрын
@@timc9250 Biden is not an excellent speaker. Kirk was also eviscerated in this debate.
@太好了F
3 жыл бұрын
As someone from the uk who's taxes (it could be argued) are paying for someone else's healthcare. I'm totally fine with it. If i pay out of my taxes for the funding of mine and others healthcare and it means if anything happens to me i don't have to pay upfront I'm all for it. A friend of mine has recently beaten cancer. He had all of the treatment for it and paid nothing out of pocket. When we describe it as "free" we mean 'free at the point of use'. So when you actually use it you don't pay anything.
@mclovin9165
3 жыл бұрын
Lets also add the fact that the portion of taxes going towards health care are way less than what US citizens pay in premiums and out of pocket expenses. Instead of premiums you pay taxes but the UK system is far cheaper for the country as a whole compared to the US total spending on health care.
@FM-dm8xj
Жыл бұрын
Hows that system going now?lol
@ameadows3658
2 жыл бұрын
Watching this in 2022 is wild. Foxconn and coal initiatives? That didn't age well lol. Trump simps are hilarious 😂
@tmcd5049
2 жыл бұрын
Kirk is like a machine gun, always butting in. Sam handled him, but the rapid fire from that jerk was obviously well rehearsed BS.
@marcelobrozovic9872
2 жыл бұрын
It is like every republicans lie used only for few days and nobody from their side says a word about it ever again. Foxcorn is one of the best possible examples how right wing media work, put lie in eter, talk about it for some time to give people false hope and when collapses don`t say a word about it ever again. I remember Foxcorn very well and how they fabricated that lie but what is worse people believed in that lie and probably many of them still do because they watch only right wing media who will never say it was just a talking point. For things like Foxcorn many right wingers believe trump administration was success just because nobody told them what had happened with all his fallen programs. 7 trillions bigger debt after just 4 years of his presidency and it is most because of that tax bill for the rich people and it can`t be stopped so debt will get bigger and bigger just because people on the right love only that America what give privileges only to them and them only
@stenergut9661
4 жыл бұрын
At the time even supporters of Kirk acknowledged his defeat in this debate. But now I return a year later, and right wingers be like: Oh yeah, Kirk totally won that debate. lol
@kdelvalle4696
4 жыл бұрын
Supporters acknowledged his defeat? Show us some evidence on this, I'd like to see it. Otherwise it just sounds like a historical fallacy.
@eduardotejerasosa8476
4 жыл бұрын
grandoldreality lol youre such an idiot you want evidence of people saying he lost😂😂. Go read comments from a year ago i guess 😂.
@gdadder
2 жыл бұрын
@@kdelvalle4696 the majority of right wingers sadly will never. Ever. Admit when they are wrong or lose.
@kdelvalle4696
2 жыл бұрын
@@gdadder is that like, a statistical reality based on your studies? Or a hyperbole answer based on what you're used to hearing from your friends? Look up Jonathan Haidt's "The moral roots of liberals vs conservatives" and perhaps you'll understand the true nature of both ideas.
@gdadder
2 жыл бұрын
@@kdelvalle4696 it’s just factually true, watch conservative politicians or conservative debaters, I can think of multiple leftist who constantly admit when they are in the wrong and have multiple times. When has say trump EVER admitted he was wrong about anything, when does Ben Shapiro? Tucker Carlson? Charlie kirk ? None of them ever will say they’re wrong in debates or in general 99% of the time. They don’t want you to ever question them. That’s literally their goal because the majority of them are actual grifters.
@aaronchizmar5944
2 жыл бұрын
Kirk: contextualizing it doesn’t make those statistics less exceptional Seder literally just explained why it makes them less exceptional lol this guy Kirk has no interest in honest debate he’s just spouting right wing talking points
@falco830
4 жыл бұрын
The big difference between Sam and Kyles is that, Sam is here dropping facts and information calmly and explaining the situation while calling out Kirks lies. This probably a better way of debating, but it doesn’t matter when Kyle’s whole goal is to mercilessly curb stomp Charlies face from existence.
@sagnorm1863
4 жыл бұрын
Sam and Kirk are really diving into the nuance and history of specific laws and statistics and Sam is showing over and over where kirk is wrong. The problem is 99% of people (maybe I am projecting) have not studied these things preparing to use them in a debate. And it is not necessary to get into such detail to take Kirks argument down. Of course, Kirk knows this, which is why he gets into such detail in order to create confusion for people not familiar with the details. Kyle did not waste time getting into these details where 99% of people would be lost and just trusting kyle or kirk. But Kyle should not have allowed Kirk to so freely filibuster and gish gallop in his debate. Other than that, Kyle did great. Sam did better, but I was lost and I am sure 99% of people were also lost and simply trusting Sam or kirk.
@VanguardSupreme
4 жыл бұрын
@@sagnorm1863 Actually, no. That's why Sam is so effective here. Even when they get into the weeds with some of the more arcane political and economic topics, the broader points of discussion were always in view and Sam made sure to nail Charlie Kirk on every single point discussed as well as give Kirk enough rope to hang himself (like on regulation) to the point where Kirk is reduced to making a crack about Elizabeth Warren twice for applause ines. So, there was no "Well, they're both talking about complex things, so it's just a matter of who I trust more." Unlike Kyle's recent debate against Kirk, Sam either cut through Kirk's gish gallop or he patiently waited through it and then took the time to rebut every point Kirk made. Also, the fact is, Sam forced Kirk to delve deeper into the issues to try to confuse the audience because he called him on his bullshit at every stop. Kyle didn't really challenge Kirk in the same way.
@sagnorm1863
4 жыл бұрын
@@VanguardSupreme After rewatching, I gotta agree that the specifics are not that hard to follow if you actually pay attention. And Seder had the greater performance. But Kyle was able to efficiently counter Kirk's points quickly and without following Kirk into his hole of misleading or false specific data. But again, Kyle made the mistake of allowing Kirk to filibuster and gish gallop, which Seder did not allow. And I think it still stands that most people struggled to follow the details in the Seder debate, which benefits Kirk, since Kirk was wrong in his nuance and Seder was correct.
@williamjameslehy1341
Жыл бұрын
You need superhuman aim to accurately stomp Charlie's face.
@Mr___f
3 жыл бұрын
Yea I understand why Crowder was scared now lol
@stotz4710
3 жыл бұрын
Seder admitted that Charlie Kirk did a good job in this debate.
@krenicus
3 жыл бұрын
@@stotz4710 Yeah he thinks he did great. Sam still said he gave him a smackdown though
@randomepic6204
3 жыл бұрын
You spelled Ethan wrong
@randomepic6204
3 жыл бұрын
@Kyle Richard imagine thinking someone disagreeing with Seder is a trump supporter
@randomepic6204
3 жыл бұрын
meaning? Point is why do you assume crowder fans support trump exclusively haha
@Fatbluntsproductions
3 жыл бұрын
I like how Kirk mentions Foxconn in Wisconsin. What an absolute dumpster fire of a project. Waste of 4 billions dollars to Wisconsin Taxpayers, not to mention all the people who were forced to move because of imminent domain clause. Thanks Scott Walker
@donkunes8630
Жыл бұрын
Trickle down does not work . Corporations , oil for instance raised prices while making increased profits
@clob7551
4 жыл бұрын
Ooof this didnt age well. Texas and Florida, not doing so hot.
@flowkey7506
4 жыл бұрын
Lol I also just watched that video! How pathetic/insecure do you have to be to stage something like that?
@jacksonperez5615
4 жыл бұрын
How so
@nancysherry9088
6 жыл бұрын
guess why cigarettes and booze cost more in Canada? cuz people who smoke and drink will need more medical attention.....taxation can be specifically placed. we Canadians LOVE our beer and smokes, and don't mind the costs of acquiring. We also really like our *free* medical care, when our livers, bowels, breasts, teeth , and lungs fail us......we just happily paid as we went along smoking and drinking.
@who818
6 жыл бұрын
Nancy Sherry we’re Americans people dont understand you need higher taxes on certain things
@harijotkhalsa5546
3 жыл бұрын
THIS!
@larrydugan1441
3 жыл бұрын
Interesting. You are probably not aware that the US spends more per capita on social programs than Canada. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_social_welfare_spending
@larrydugan1441
3 жыл бұрын
There is no free health care in Canada. Nothing is free it is just paid for by a different means.
@keegan.j1321
3 жыл бұрын
@@larrydugan1441 thats what they just said, dude. like are you reading and listening or just getting ready to say whatever anyway?
@daisyq3418
4 жыл бұрын
The 3.5 million jobs are at McDonald's and Burger King and Target. Charlie Kirk is full of __it.
@fishjungle9
4 жыл бұрын
Prove it
@josue24
4 жыл бұрын
Facts. It’s not small businesses. That’s for certain.
@sharkracer
3 жыл бұрын
Just looking at the healthcare portion of this... So, Charlie is basically saying that he is going to remain healthy, never get cancer, never fall and break a bone, never get into a car accident, until the day he drops dead in his home. Right? And he's constantly harping about the high taxes in Norway.... except for the fact that other countries that have a MUCH lower tax rate than Norway, most closer to the US, still have single-payer and are much more effective and cheaper in the long run for everyone, because the Big Pharma and Big Insurance don't take huge cuts from the pie right off the top. I live in Korea. We have a national health care plan. I am 50 years old, small business owner, and I pay around US$150 a month. My friend pays US$3 per month for insulin, another US$2~3 for the doctors visit to get the prescription for the insulin, and he waits less than 20 minutes every time he goes to any doctor he wants to. My dad died of colon cancer a few years ago, and in the 18 months from the time he was diagnosed to the the time he passed away, he had 2 surgeries, he had chemo, he had tests every two months, doctors visits every month, he stayed in the hospital for the surgeries, and other ailments probably around 2 months, and he had about 3 weeks in hospice before he passed. Total cost including everything, was, I think around an average of US$300 a month for 18 months.
@TokenBlackman7
6 жыл бұрын
i LiVe EvErYdAy LiKe A cApItAliSt, CeNk!
@voxextremos22
6 жыл бұрын
Charlie is just sound biting and grandstanding. This is my frustration with Right wing personalities like He, Crowder and Shapiro they're awful debaters they are looking at quotes for click bat and not addressing the actual issues
@Code_Dee
6 жыл бұрын
Speaking of Crowder, he was originally supposed to debate Sam but he ghosted this debate. They run scared, they know they're full of shit and won't debate anyone on the left except for 18 year old college freshmen. So props to Charlie for at least showing up I guess
@jwhyte67
6 жыл бұрын
@@Code_Dee He ghosted when he was supposed to debate Potholer too, complete and utter fraud.
@PSI441
5 жыл бұрын
Cause that's the only way they can even hope to claim a victory
@dundunduuuun3925
5 жыл бұрын
If someone thought Charlie won then you watched something else.
@purpandorange
5 жыл бұрын
If someone thought Sam won then you are probably a 13 year old still in your socialist phase.
@JoseGarcia-vi3pu
5 жыл бұрын
Idk Sam was changing the subject and yelling when it was Charlie's time to talk quite a bit, idk who won but I do know Sam debates like a house wife, relax let the opposite guy talk and then have a response
@אנייהודי-פ4ט
5 жыл бұрын
I watched this without bias, happens to be, the guy on the right won.
@Calabrin1
2 жыл бұрын
Charlie Kirk agreeing to debate Sam Seder is the ESSENCE of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.
@jimtownsend3910
3 жыл бұрын
Every time Kirk gets loud a district flips blue.
@MagicalLisp
4 жыл бұрын
My right ear loved this
@beatzdyer
4 жыл бұрын
Ok thank god I was wondering if that was just me
@oxygen9953
4 жыл бұрын
@@beatzdyer lol same
@timothymorano9305
3 жыл бұрын
The little tiny brain people on here are saying Charlie Kirk did well..it must be because he talks really loud when he loses Just like them
@adam0887
Жыл бұрын
People who discount social security programs by framing them as "entitlement" is beyond disgusting.
@shani5345
Жыл бұрын
People who vote to tax the meager social security retirees receive is beyond disgusting. That’s democrats btw.
@vdub2014
Жыл бұрын
you're dense lol you pay taxes on half if you get 25-34k a year... and it was implemented in 1984... not a dem president there big guy.@@shani5345
@vdub2014
Жыл бұрын
and its literally at the federal income tax rate, thats it.@@shani5345
@michaelfvt
4 жыл бұрын
Charlie's favorite rhetorical strategy is to respond to his opponent's points by saying "I'm so glad you brought up ____________", feigning knowledge and authority, and then proceed to get everything wrong.
@renabshire4704
4 жыл бұрын
What exactly did he get wrong? You maaaaadddd?
@michaelfvt
4 жыл бұрын
lmao he doesn't know how a bank works
@renabshire4704
4 жыл бұрын
@@michaelfvt you're just saying stuff and hoping ignorant people believe you.
@michaelfvt
4 жыл бұрын
@@renabshire4704 Ok, if that's what you believe that's fine, but you could do some very basic reading on how banks function to see that his grasp on the subject is tenuous at best. I'm not really trying to convince people of anything actually.
@renabshire4704
4 жыл бұрын
@@michaelfvt thats easy to type, doesnt make it true
@iukuify
4 жыл бұрын
Love how Sam is calm and patient in this debate. He is a really smart guy but he can come off as pompous and dismissive in his channel's videos.
@FloresRain
4 жыл бұрын
Sam has categories in his channel that he should playlist because people get confused by his attitudes and acting. On the majority of his breakdown videos he does an over the top mocking act where he shits on people's logic. He has another category wher ehe does open call debates and he is more like this.
@BruceAImighty808
6 жыл бұрын
Cenk nailed it. Guys like Kirk confuse yelling and talking fast for intelligence.
@kubeface115
6 жыл бұрын
The problem is it works. In debates like these aggressive rhetoric and appealing to emotion with strong statements wins over facts any day. Try to be intellectually honest and you've already lost, which is a large part of why the right is winning so often.
@Bigfrank88
3 жыл бұрын
Charlie’s numbers on Trump’s added jobs to the coal industry are off by tens of thousands. And the industry suffered another major drop off in less than four years, an even larger decline than during Obama’s years.
@heroray87
3 жыл бұрын
Lol I just looked it up. This is an old debate but coal jobs are down 24% from the start of the trump administration. Charlie spouts out so much crap and calls them facts.
@gangster125
9 ай бұрын
Does Charlie Kirk know anything at all, about pretty much anything? Geez what an empty vessel
@Larry_Hegs
8 ай бұрын
Please provide a specific example of where he was clueless. I’m eager to see your reply.
@gangster125
8 ай бұрын
@@Larry_Hegs I watched this a long time ago man. I don’t recall the entire conversation at this point.
@Larry_Hegs
8 ай бұрын
Don't worry you retained now as much as you did then to make this dumb comment. All good bud. @@gangster125
@gangster125
8 ай бұрын
@@Larry_Hegs thanks. Trust dumb right wingers to understand dumb better than anyone else
@Mayan_88694
8 ай бұрын
@@Larry_Hegs the entire debate, especially when Sam exposed chuck s hypocrisy on deregulation, your boy chuck claims to be against big businesses but yet opposed them being regulated. Shows how pathetic and hypocritical you sub human Magat vermins are.🤡🤡🤡🤡
@LouWagner76
3 жыл бұрын
The problem is Kirk established a bogus definition of middle class. Middle class is not about the next generation living better. Middle class is about a certain standard of living for a current family; when your child gets his own family, if they have the same standard of living, then he/she too is middle class. Kirk is correct in that the middle class is an American invention. Unfortunately, it only lasted for a few decades. What we have in mind when we say middle class, is the standard of living families had in the fifties and early sixties. Then, you could afford a house, a car or two in the garage, to pay for the kids college, a yearly vacation, and to set a little aside for a rainy day. That’s what we all mean when we say middle class. Because of inflation, they estimate that now you need a household income of about $130,000 a year to afford that same standard of living. But now, $130,000 a year puts you in the top 10% of income earners. Which means 90% of the population makes less than this amount, and thus are not able to afford a middle class life. Again middle class has nothing to do with future generations living better than the current one; it has to do with a standard of living. The truth is we no longer have a middle class (unless you change the definition of middle class). The only people who can afford the standard of living the middle class had in the fifties and sixties now, are people in the top ten percent of income earners. If ninety percent of people cannot afford a middle class lifestyle, then there is no middle class. You can of course fiddle with the definition of middle class and get different results. But remember the original middle class was an American phenomenon, and the fifties and sixties is the first and only time we have seen this level of shared wealth and income. Those days and conditions are long gone. By the way, the top tax rate was 90% at the time the original middle class showed up. So the original middle class was not built on tax breaks.
@szahmad2416
3 жыл бұрын
The bigger problem is that Charlie makes up an entire world where the free market system works...and then chooses Foxconn as an example of the wonderful benefits that will accrue if the government just deregulates and gets out of the way to let private industry do its thing.
@lecorsaire2283
6 жыл бұрын
Sam is calm, cool, collected and Charlie came off as jittery fool repeating some talking points he can’t back. Completely owned.
@LK56835
6 жыл бұрын
the flip actually! when Sam was "calm",,,, I saw him as nervous
@warmlycalculated390
5 жыл бұрын
@Red pilled Blanketly calling people 'cucks' is definitely a highly individualist, stable-genius move. Glad to see you're a fan of the philosophy based on an action movie made by two transwomen.
@warmlycalculated390
5 жыл бұрын
@Red pilled Progressives are pro-eugenics? Are you for real? Most progressives are capitalist, Sam Seder and TYT are all blatantly capitalist, and every single elected politician is capitalist. You sound like a video game script. Learn to think for yourself.
@warmlycalculated390
5 жыл бұрын
@Red pilled No True Scotsman. So are you now trying to say that the Nordic countries are actually socialist? lol. And bruh, most of the founding fathers were open eugenicists and believed that black people were not human. Does that make America today a pro-eugenics country? Besides, that's a Fake News story anyway, Sanger wanted to cope with the fear of some blacks that birth control was the white man's way of reducing the black population. Keep trying.
@10003159
3 жыл бұрын
Go to 53:51, Kirk is so clueless. "Sam how come we don't subsidize food if it's essential to living!!?" Of course we subsidize food buddy! Seder absolutely wrecked him holy
@zebo6162
3 жыл бұрын
...And Seder just continues talking through his point like nobody is refuting it. In the context of the whole Crowder x Seder debate, I don't blame Crowder for not wanting to deal with this guy.
@10003159
3 жыл бұрын
@@zebo6162 the majority report with Sam seder is one of the biggest American left radio shows on KZitem. Crowder says he always wants leftist guests on his show yet I can't recall if he's ever talked with a mainstream left KZitemr in his life.
@kevinjohnanand
3 жыл бұрын
@@zebo6162 I don't blame him either. Sam is FAR more knowledgeable than Crowder.
@anonanonanon2868
3 жыл бұрын
Kirk has honestly showed a complete lack of fundamental economic principles here. His example with the banks “starting from nothing” is flawed since they were operating in a framework where there was low barriers to entry, unlike now where huge corporations limit new entrants into the market.
@deepanko12
3 жыл бұрын
That is the point of deregulating the market so that it is easier for wew entries in the market.
@anonanonanon2868
3 жыл бұрын
@@deepanko12 erm no it doesn’t because if you already monopolies or oligopolies on a market being established from first mover advantage the you’re already at a loss. Charlie Kirk literally admitted this in this debate with his explanation of Goldman Sachs so he literally discredited his own argument.....
@deepanko12
3 жыл бұрын
@@anonanonanon2868 every business when it starts at a loss. It is never an overnight success.
@anonanonanon2868
3 жыл бұрын
@@deepanko12 ermm no it’s not, in markets that are monopolistically competitive, supernormal profits are necessary in order to secure a place within the market during the long run which attracts new entrants into the market which then decreases the overall price level and lowers the market profit expectancy to just normal profits.
@deepanko12
3 жыл бұрын
@@anonanonanon2868 monopolies are formed not by more profits but better services than competitors. Before banks private loans was a monopoly which are much higher interest rates than banks. And if they charge higher once the monopoly is created new entrants always seize this kind of opportunity. So it is superficial on your part to think like that. Even the internet era you see what was the monopoly back then and what it is now. And if you see Chinese products are also changing the flow of demand. In next year's the outlook will change.
@jeremiahmc
Жыл бұрын
Really interesting hearing Charlie Kirk talk about Dodd/Frank and that the regs on banks. Really puts perspective on how wrong he is with the recent collapse of said small banks (silicon valley, etc.)
@cloudshad0ws
Жыл бұрын
If only conservatives actually gave a shit whether or not the things they said a few months ago is true or not.
@AliHamza-ks8kn
3 жыл бұрын
If you’re educated then you’ll see that Seder won this debate. If not, you’ll think Kirk did. Sedar has bad debate skills, I’ll admit that, but he does have direction and foundation. Kirk spits quick facts to the audience, kinda like candy, so the audience finds him amusing and convincing. In reality, Kirk dodged a lot of Sam’s points. On the other hand, Kirk front loads his questions and answers, which makes this entire debate ineffective. Simply, Kirk got schooled. Not because Sam is a genius, but rather because Kirk’s fundamental points are illogical. During the pandemic we gave cuts to corporations and they put it back in their executives pockets. Housing is exploding and we are in a bubble. Soon there is hyper inflation. Polisci degree here btw, just saying, these debates all suck. If you guys want to know what’s true then actually research. Don’t use google lol, use JSTOR or the BIS
@AliHamza-ks8kn
3 жыл бұрын
@@dvlahos11 I stopped reading after you said gas prices were at an all time low because you clearly know nothing about government jurisdiction lmao. The president and gas prices are almost completely mutually exclusive. Secondly, I did mean Polisci- as in political science. Thirdly, I didn't say "if your educated," I said "if you're educated" ;) I don't care for your anecdotal evidence. The reason why the middle class "thrived" was to counter hyperinflation XD that is literally economics 101. Do you truly believe that the Trump administration cared for the middle class? Oh, I almost forgot. About the corporations hiring x-amount of workers, do me a favor and look of airline bail-out covid scandal and the current situation with ExxonMobil and its workers. Also, if you believe that the tax cuts, interest rate cuts, and bond buys by the gov are for the middle class. IF you do not see the housing crisis that will occur then idk what to say but this will be 2008 again. Oh, one more thing to note. I know someone is uneducated and sheep-like when they critique someone's age. You follow crowder I bet! Notice how he uses ad-hominems and calls Sam Sedar a pig-pen? How about instead of arguing my age and using anecdotal evidence you actually come back with data from JSTOR. You will be surprised how much your beliefs will be changed- that is, if you have an open mind.
@AliHamza-ks8kn
3 жыл бұрын
@Jeims Numin I mean if you are looking into shadow economies, sure. But, there is research on almost everything when it comes to public policy. If someone doesn't want to take the time to read it then that is understandable. My only contention is that if you are not properly informed and conducted your research, then you shouldn't be confident in critiquing other people's informed opinions. Far too much do people equate informed opinions with mere feelings.
@AliHamza-ks8kn
3 жыл бұрын
@Jeims Numin I do not disagree with anything you just said, in fact, you are correct. I think debates are important-100% but they have to be INFORMED debates. My issue is that almost all youtube debates aren't informed. Debates on the National Interest Foundation, for instance, are rarely viewed on youtube, but they are by far the most educated and best discussions you can come by. I just wish people would tune into intelligence squared, or the NIF for debate watching. These Politicon debates are nothing more than entertainment. They may hold some value, but we should aim for better!
@goste4
3 жыл бұрын
@@dvlahos11 hey man the first sentence of the link you posted said this: "GDP grew 2.3% in 2019, quelling fears of an imminent recession but falling well short of President Donald Trump’s lofty prediction of 3% annual growth." Can you post one that does a better job of proving your point? Try Breitbart. Also a more recent one would be more convincing than one from 2019.
@goste4
3 жыл бұрын
@@dvlahos11 I actually did read the whole thing; it's only about 25 sentences long. I wanted to give you the heads up that the first sentence is all one would need to read to see the article is saying the opposite of what your saying. I even suggested checking out Breitbart or Newsmax as they usually have articles more in line with your points. Here are some other examples from the rest though in case you still don't believe that I'm trying to help you out with a tip: "Trump entered the White House promising annual growth in excess of 3%. So far, his best year for growth was 2018, when the economy expanded at a 2.9% clip. That rate ties the economy's best performance under former President Barack Obama in 2015." "Trade appeared to play a significant role in fourth quarter growth estimates, as imports dropped 8.7% - their sharpest decline since the U.S. was in the midst of the Great Recession in 2009. Exports grew a modest 1.4%, their best performance since the first three months of 2019." "Net trade represented the largest optical illusion in the GDP report, providing an artificial boost to GDP growth of 1.5 (percentage points)," "Private domestic investments, which include real estate and residential investments as well as corporate investments in new equipment and facilities, contracted 6.1% and have been negative in three consecutive months."
@nrdify
3 жыл бұрын
Hundreds of thousands of new jobs in the coal industry?! That has to be the biggest lie of this entire video!
@chichitenango6020
3 жыл бұрын
Trying to save the coal industry was the biggest lie to those miner communities(votes)
@kissedbyfirewyrms7312
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the complete upload, TYT!
@thatboi7492
4 жыл бұрын
Damn, this dude got rekt by kyle and sam in the same weekend
@therobbieunited
4 жыл бұрын
Lol,the fact you had to say that says it all
@renabshire4704
4 жыл бұрын
Have... have you even seen the debates?
@NotAManYouCanMend
4 жыл бұрын
Ren Abshire lmao right? People always judge the winner of the debates by whose fan base claps and cheers the loudest, and who interrupts the most
@renabshire4704
4 жыл бұрын
@@NotAManYouCanMend kyle runs around the stage throwing temper tantrums like a child, its sad to see people call that winning
@papasanaah-faried8054
4 жыл бұрын
Kyle did not wreck him. Kirk might have won that off of rhetoric. But Sam definitely won
@zissou6928
6 жыл бұрын
Those sneakers are making me ill
@BleachPuppies
6 жыл бұрын
9enius fuckin true
@carter_1
6 жыл бұрын
Those are Kanye's Yeezees (however you'd spell that) Brand sneakers. He wore them so when people commented on them, they could go into the convo about the democratic plantation
@Ash12428
5 жыл бұрын
9enius especially with a suit. It pains me that someone wears sneakers with a suit.
@sneifert1968
Жыл бұрын
Has Charlie’s head swelled to it’s current balloon shape just in the last 5 years?
@JamesSmith-jx4hs
Жыл бұрын
Ad hominem attacks are a great way to mitigate your losing talking points
@KindaGhostyy
Жыл бұрын
@@JamesSmith-jx4hs precisely what i was about to say lol.
@shani5345
Жыл бұрын
Speaking with leftists is like revisiting the kindergarten playground.
@lingding-
10 ай бұрын
@@JamesSmith-jx4hsthat is not what as hominem means fool.
@el_puma_real
2 жыл бұрын
Kirk lost the moment he decided to debate Sam 🤣
@lilith9249
2 жыл бұрын
its exactly why steven crowder keeps ducking him. hes terrified of this exact thing.
@IamLegend32
2 жыл бұрын
@@lilith9249 same with that coward Dennis Prager
@tabwebster8019
2 жыл бұрын
Well idk what you guys just saw but Charlie won that so….
@el_puma_real
2 жыл бұрын
@@tabwebster8019 you mean Charlie, the pro-life guy who couldn't tell the difference between a Human fetus and that of a dolphin.....that Charlie?
@tabwebster8019
2 жыл бұрын
@@el_puma_real yes the pro-life guy, and what do you mean that of a dolphin what kind of remark is that. Ya dolphins have fetus’s, Cows, sheep, dogs, etc! But yes the Human Fetus which we are talking about is it’s own Being because it is its own “DNA” plain and simple if you try to argue that your stupid because I have a question for you, when is it not ok to murder another human with living DNA
@mastakeefa
3 жыл бұрын
I don’t usually like TYT, but it was great that you made the whole debate available without commentary. It let me see that this wasn't a one-sided win like what either side made it out to be. Thumbs up from me! P.S. As a Crowder follower, I think Seder should have the chance to debate him. While inappropriate for Seder to jump in uninvited, I think what Crowder did was immature, handled very poorly, and put him in a very bad light.
@MrEloliver
3 жыл бұрын
you should tell that to crowder my guy. The only reason H3 brought Sam on the "debate" without letting Crowder know is because Crowder is a bitch, and the fact that he dipped immediately after Sam got on is proof of that. Ethan was right, Crowder portrays himself as a somewhat political intellectual, and debates people who aren't prepared to do so. His "Change my mind" series just gets college students riled up about a subject so he can dunk on them and appear as this debate god. Ethan isnt a debater, and he knows it, which is why he invited Sam on, a leftist who is actually smart when it comes to debates.
@10003159
3 жыл бұрын
Seder was invited. He was invited by Ethan. It's not like he just crashed the party.
@hugo-jp4eo
3 жыл бұрын
I agree they should debate at another time and topics that are preset
@hugo-jp4eo
3 жыл бұрын
@@10003159 So if your on a first date I can just step in since your not feeling confident?
@10003159
3 жыл бұрын
@@hugo-jp4eo no, my date is a douchebag who has ulterior motive for going on the date with me (easy debate win), and not because they wanted to get to know me (discuss the important issues facing the country). Therefore, I don't care about my date and I'm just going to troll them by bringing my friend to the date as well.
@mordolycka7301
3 жыл бұрын
Many people in this comment section are mistaking debate ability with correct answers. Kirk is very good at mechanically spitting out Heritage Foundation talking points but it doesn't make them right. I just wish someone with good debate ability would debate Kirk at one of these events. Seder and Kulinski definitely aren't what I'd call amazing debaters.
@SuperiorDefense
3 жыл бұрын
I can guarantee you didn't know what the heritage foundation was before this week. It's amazing how many notifications I'm getting on these older videos because of some Twitter beef that involved Sam Seder. All of these comments are the same. Literally go to other politicon videos and look at the comments. Hypocrite.
@mordolycka7301
3 жыл бұрын
@@SuperiorDefense I knew about the Heritage Foundation and the Koch brothers way before this little feud between Crowder and Seder. I was just reminded of this debate because of it. Edit: why are you getting a notification for a comment left on a video - not as a reply to you - on a video you didn't upload? Weird. Anyways, literally nothing I said was hypocritical, I don't even know where that came from (unless you're alluding to me "mechanically regurgitating" the fact that Kirk and TPUSA are literally a quote farm for right wing think tanks and individuals who wish to push a narrative that the rich are oppressed or already do more than their fair share, which is laughable, and not what I'm doing in the slightest).
@johnhatchel1372
3 жыл бұрын
Seder is too factually incorrect to be taken seriously.
@georgebush3327
3 жыл бұрын
@@johnhatchel1372 Whats an example?
@somebodysomething3451
3 жыл бұрын
Charlie Israel provides it's people with healthcare using your taxes.
@lobete
6 жыл бұрын
Sam is the man. We need people like him who know their shit and will tell a guy like Kirk "you are lying" rather than patiently waiting for time after a gish gallop to allow a mild response.
@getit9066
Жыл бұрын
You are lying.
@PW-le6cr
3 жыл бұрын
Kirk: Master of the Gish Gallop
@southbayjay2540
3 жыл бұрын
It’s because his style of debate is using heritage foundation researched dialogue trees. He has to gish gallop in order to reach those trees
@svleonard
6 жыл бұрын
Re-titled: Little Boy Charlie Kirk owned by Adult Sam Seder in debate.
@svleonard
6 жыл бұрын
@ Charlie doesn't even have the foundational knowledge of economics and finance required to engage in a principled debate on the subject matter, and if you did, you would realize that. He is a talking points regurgitator. His tell is: when he gets loud and talks fast, he's reciting a memorized Republican talking point in an effort to counter emperical facts and data.
@svleonard
6 жыл бұрын
@T Not critiquing styles, only substance. On substance, Kirk got owned.
@johnjacob5570
4 жыл бұрын
If Sam didn’t interrupt Charlie, Charlie would keep going with his monologues that he obviously has been practicing in front of the mirror.
@manchesterunited9576
3 жыл бұрын
Lmao Crowder fans coming here saying Kirk won. Y'all don't even listen to the arguments presented and automatically believe the person shouting loudest.
@samerkaradsheh8803
3 жыл бұрын
Are you seriously saying that Charlie Kirk was yelling louder than Sam Seder?
@Confluence358
3 жыл бұрын
@@samerkaradsheh8803 Lmao, yeah, what?? I saw a couple of comments saying Kirk was "yelling loud and that made people think he won." Sam is way louder and is interrupting way more. So weird; I guess people just see and hear what they want to.
@tigertiger5521
3 жыл бұрын
That was the stupidest thing I've read in a while how do you know they don't listen to the arguments...... did you listen to the arguments or are you just assuming sam did well because he's sam
@timc9250
3 жыл бұрын
Kirk won this one. Crowder isnt a great debater, hes obviously nervous when he debates college kids. Kirk did very well in this debate. I had never heard of this seder guy before a couple of days ago. The leftists ive seen are very impressed by him. Not sure why. Maybe thats why few non leftists have ever heard of him. Most leftists also consider the view women to be great debaters.🤣🤣
@manchesterunited9576
3 жыл бұрын
@@timc9250 What's wrong with women being debaters?
@ok-xh7dn
3 жыл бұрын
My right ear really enjoyed this video
@TheThirdNight
3 жыл бұрын
My left ear joined the party at around 24:00
@nickscott1742
2 жыл бұрын
Sams "buying power" section is hitting home for real estate today. The wealthy and corporations are making housing prices soar and are wedging out the lower and middle classes out of buying houses...
@brandondill5640
2 жыл бұрын
Yup he nailed that one
@mikebanks2176
2 жыл бұрын
I’m not wealthy never had any handouts or help from family. Chose not to work at fast food joints or driving a forklift in a warehouse which any dipshit can do by the way. Started a business broke even after four years of eating peanut butter and carrot sticks and bicaddebam, I can build my own house in 2022. I’m barely middle class. Just have to not be stupid.
@codysteevis9536
2 жыл бұрын
@@mikebanks2176 Somebody still has to drive those forklifts and flip those burgers. Are they not worth of affording housing?
@stud_ley
Жыл бұрын
Lol Charlie really thinks by acting snarky he can come off as making points. People who believe this dude are gullible
@shani5345
Жыл бұрын
No. That actually applies to the other guy.
@stud_ley
Жыл бұрын
@@shani5345 really? So what do you agree with Charlie on?
@stud_ley
Жыл бұрын
@@shani5345 actually never mind. Nothing good ever comes from someone who sides with a racist pos like Charlie Kirk.
@sophiawarner7540
11 ай бұрын
Everything Kirk stands for only helps our country. Sam wants to destroy it.
@jaymes8718
11 ай бұрын
@sophiawarner7540 the shit that Kirk want helps the wealthy.
@meilyn22
3 жыл бұрын
This guy is a fool if he thinks the US government doesn't subsidize food 🤣. The US spends $20B a year subsidizing food. Why are people taking these frauds seriously?
@hell_pike9150
3 жыл бұрын
We subsidized even the farms
@onlyhousestarklivesmatter
3 жыл бұрын
i think people think Charlie is intelligent because he talks fast and loud and says the dumbest things with conviction. Most people don't do their research, they just judge these debates based on HOW the debater says things rather than based on the SUBSTANCE of WHAT is being said. Obviously Kirk lied through his teeth but he's also super loud so 🙄🙄
@thejuniorseas7683
3 жыл бұрын
Our government subsidizes farms and other food processors and manufacturers during times when seasons end for the agriculture industry. Farms can go several months without harvesting product. That money makes sure those farms stay operational until they get back into season.
@hell_pike9150
3 жыл бұрын
@@thejuniorseas7683 But if we were functioning at full capacity, the subsidies wouldn't be necessary
@thejuniorseas7683
3 жыл бұрын
@@hell_pike9150 I don't think you understood what I was saying.
@Ron-ep3zl
2 жыл бұрын
I have give Charlie credit when he keeps trying to make a minority a majority and keeps trying to give credit to Trump for a trend that began before he was elected. Then talks about a war on coal. I'm from West Virginia and nothing he said Trump did was actually true.
@szahmad2416
3 жыл бұрын
The reason Charlie sounds "logical" in this is because he's basically constructed an entire alternate universe where the free market works exactly as he has outlined. The exact moment when his whole spiel comes crashing down at 20:10 where he lauds Foxconn as a massive example of this success of deregulation of the economy; two years after this "success", everything happened exactly as Sam predicted. Foxconn left an empty husk in Wisconsin for which they collected on the massive tax breaks they were granted in return for the promised 4,000 jobs which they never delivered on. After you know this, the rest of Charlie's fantasies are basically bullshit.
@victorbergman9169
3 жыл бұрын
No because he makes sense
@deltabot6550
3 жыл бұрын
@@victorbergman9169 LOOOOOOOL
@szahmad2416
3 жыл бұрын
@@victorbergman9169 care to back that up as I just did? Yeah...didn't think so.
@victorbergman9169
3 жыл бұрын
@@szahmad2416 check out the Census Bureau
@szahmad2416
3 жыл бұрын
@@victorbergman9169 what the hell does that have to do with Foxconn?
@dsmvfl363
3 жыл бұрын
25:58 I’m left leaning in my politics but I spend a lot of time in right wing circles, and this is the moment where I can see Charlie losing the debate. Before this he was pretty decent, he was at least giving counter examples that exposed some of the flaws in Sams debate strategy, but the second that same recovered from those exposures and tightened up his arguments, Charlie could do nothing but go backwards and start listing off statistics.
@jonathanjaynes.
3 жыл бұрын
I think Charlie won did you see 26:50
@winstonbarendse3647
3 жыл бұрын
@@jonathanjaynes. 29:22 You must've missed this bit.
@meilyn22
3 жыл бұрын
Charlie Kirk didn't win anything in this debate at all. The Kansas example was in response to a specific instance of where the economic system Kirk was proposing totally failed. Kirk responded with a long rant about California and how people are leaving. Suggesting that California is having bad economic results, which is in fact not true.
@meilyn22
3 жыл бұрын
@@scccccc1550 Did you watch the part where he claimed the government doesn't subsidize food? He also claimed Foxconn is creating jobs, which turned out to be false. He talked about the coal industry creating millions of jobs 🤣. The numbers are clearly not on his side. He's lying and his base can't even see this because they don't actually listen to the points being made. They judge debates by how fast you talk and how much you sing the Republican talking points. Kirk: "Hey Sam, the Republican party believes in less government and don't need government help. " His base: Boom, he won the debate by just saying that 🤣🤣🤣. It's clear that Kirk and Crowder are frauds. When they are losing the debate, they go into written down rants about how capitalism has removed people from poverty, how the LEFT hates free speech and how the BS of capitalism isn't true capitalism, but the BS of socialism is true socialism 🤣. I am a capitalist who believes in social programs. I believe in a mixed economy. I used to be a republican. I have watched this video more than 5 times. For the first 3 times I thought Kirk won because I didn't really listen to the substance of the debate. Kirk spoke fast and talked about the things I believed in at the time, even when those things had nothing to do with the debate. I would say Kirk won without even listening to the debate at all. I guess I am smarter now. The more I look the more I see these guys as frauds.
@Zorooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
3 жыл бұрын
He started listing off false statistics lmao
@Mirr4600
5 жыл бұрын
Sam whooped his ass with facts lol
@deasilmcmanus9220
5 жыл бұрын
Facts? He ignored the facts and only wanted to use cherry-picked talking points.
@Mirr4600
5 жыл бұрын
@@deasilmcmanus9220 Republicans don't know what a fact is
@shanenakonieczny8587
5 жыл бұрын
Stop blindly voting democrat and learn something. The more you know the more you know how stupid liberals are.
@piccolopeter
5 жыл бұрын
@@Mirr4600 you only like the facts that fit your rhetoric. Get off of the democratic plantation and open your eyes.
@Mirr4600
5 жыл бұрын
@@piccolopeter so you suggest I move to the Republican plantation that's full of corrupt politicians, KKK members, and white supremacist ? No thanks lol. And if being in a hate group like MAGA is opening my eyes then I'm cool with keeping them shut
@audacious3198
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah that foxcon example didn't age very well did it
@szahmad2416
3 жыл бұрын
On the other hand, Sam's rebuttal of it aged perfectly. Exactly what happened.
@stephengragg7287
3 жыл бұрын
Kirk constantly makes comments where he thinks he's proving a point, but he is merely stating something off topic that if you dig even slightly deeper than just surface level he's actually giving more evidence to Sam's points. Kirk can only be considered successful at any point in this debate through a lens of ignorance...
@sethfroman7044
27 күн бұрын
Man, this didn’t age well 😂😂 Love how Kirk wanted to get Sam to agree with him.
@louismendoza6896
Ай бұрын
Every time Sam made a truthful or correct point, Charlie would pivot. Notice how Sam would want to stay on topics meanwhile Charlie constantly pivoted
@YetiTurmoil
19 күн бұрын
Still waiting him to refute the Kansas example 😂
@kylemetoyer8725
18 күн бұрын
that’s his favorite debate tactic, he does it constantly still
@TheTilitus
Жыл бұрын
Its weird when someone with a big head is haveing such a hard time grasping the basics.
@apope06
4 жыл бұрын
Sam doing better than Kyle Kulinski.
@iknownothingmyenglishisbro6450
4 жыл бұрын
Kyle can go hard but he's usually always very soft, and I too don't like that.
@punctuationman334
4 жыл бұрын
I Know Nothing & My English Is Broken he’s a hard Bernie supporter, he may have picked up a few traits from Bernie.
@DanRegueira
4 жыл бұрын
I think Kyle shines when he's alone on his show or even debating Destiny and whatnot but that debate performance with Kirk was *really* bad
@evansuarez5432
4 жыл бұрын
@@DanRegueira Yea, I agree. Kyle was sloppy against Kirk and the cussing and disrespect didn't help either. However, Kyle is objectively right. His positions are logically sound and he is very principled in his positions where Charlie is obviously a hack.
@chucku00
3 жыл бұрын
Wow, the number of sour grape masochistic right wing people in the commentaries is incredible. The fun thing is they're contributing to TYT's and Sam's popularity by commenting.
@Pllayer064
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I guess just discovered this
@accountnotfound4209
3 жыл бұрын
The conservatives are not very bright.
@chucku00
3 жыл бұрын
@@accountnotfound4209 It's an understatement ; )
@lazybonez1059
4 жыл бұрын
Kirk gets so mad.
@davidvasquez6197
7 ай бұрын
The crowd is so dumb they don't even know when to clap. They just try and follow the cadaince and not the substance. What type of audience do they have there?
@doctortinkle7294
3 жыл бұрын
Bro he says China is an unfair factor on the world stage because they are too big and powerful and have too much money does he realize that he’s literally making the argument against a free market????
@sgtjohnson49
3 жыл бұрын
Also against the United States which has even more money, size, and power.
@Dirtboy-ef1lx
2 жыл бұрын
Free market literally based on companies who actually violate humans right for production. That’s crony capitalism
@richardclappingcheeks8551
3 жыл бұрын
Wow this didn't age well for Charlie. Hope to see Seder and Coward debate soon
@theeryan6097
3 жыл бұрын
Even if Charlie did horribly which he didn't but ok.. Sam is a liar he knows very little it seems on almost anything
@richardclappingcheeks8551
3 жыл бұрын
@@theeryan6097 I didn't say he did horribly. No offense but so far you don't seem very bright
@georgebush3327
3 жыл бұрын
@@theeryan6097 What was the lie.
@tombreckinridge6218
3 жыл бұрын
I can’t even imagine giving a round of applause to Billionaires to end a debate. So silly
@tombreckinridge6218
3 жыл бұрын
@L W most people hate how expensive medical treatment and RXs are. You celebrate 9 people who reaped the benefits of that corrupt system? You’re messed up in the head.
@tombreckinridge6218
3 жыл бұрын
@L W you live in a pretend world.
@tombreckinridge6218
3 жыл бұрын
@L W the vaccine works and everyday makes rightwingers look like morons
@clownbabification
3 жыл бұрын
I guess if you would one day aspire to be something instead of sitting in a basement on welfare, you would understand.
@Kyoudontknowme
Жыл бұрын
@@clownbabification lol you thought you ate with that
@fullsend8738
2 жыл бұрын
I felt bad for Charlie here for a second. It was much more satisfying than painful though
@MishitTennis
4 жыл бұрын
Revisiting this and it is astounding how the Right is supposed to be the party of "ideas" but yet charlie had pretty much the same talking points as when he debated Kyle, yet they were having different subjects to debate on. His solution to these complex problems in America were always the same lower taxes which will lead to higher earnings and more economy. Then when Seder gives him a history lesson on why that doesn't always work in certain markets he repeats the exact same thing. I would say I'm a centrist and Kirk really didn't offer anything to the conversation other than the exact same talking points. You can tell who has done their research and question the history and tried to understand the nuances and who thinks it's just black and white. Sad that Kirk is the one college kids turn to. Lowering taxes and regulations is not a solution, it's an idea. An idea that when tried Sam did a spectacular job at showing why it has failed. Charlie had nothing to say to those failures other than lets do what failed again but do it much more! That's stupidity.
@honestabe6926
4 жыл бұрын
The problem is that lowering taxes and regulations IS a solution, it worked in the 1980s under Reagan, because when supply side economics are effectively practiced, everybody wins. The government gets more tax revenue due to an increased incentive to work and a decreased incentive to find tax loopholes, and American families get to keep more of their income.
@MishitTennis
4 жыл бұрын
@@honestabe6926 I appreciate your comment, and I won't aim to debunk what you said because I am not qualified and have the extent wealth of knowledge to give you when this has failed. However, after watching both political commentators from the right and the left I can confidently say that Sam Seder and Kyle Kulinski have debunked what you just said plenty of times on their shows. I've yet to watch any videos where Shapiro, Crowder, Rubin or heck even anyone from FOX NEWS counters in historical context and gives the full picture of what was going on instead of framing it how you just did.
@MishitTennis
4 жыл бұрын
@@honestabe6926 I don't think it's a fairy tale at all, but I also don't think it's a "solve all". I think Economies have a great deal of nuances that have yet to be discussed by mainstream politicians and a lot of political commentators. The only person I see continuously spending time to go over these nuances is Sam Seder. I don't agree with him on everything but he knows his history and why certain ideas and policies were tried and didn't work. One example that I can give you about Reaganomics and how it doesn't work is all of the tax breaks Amazon has gotten. Do they employ thousands? YES. And that's great, but working conditions for them have not gotten better, the overwhelming majority of their employees are part-time, and they continue to be taken advantage of. If trickle down economics did work Amazon would be the best company to work for because they getaway with paying less taxes than most, reinvest into their company, yet their workers are still in the same shitty conditions... The list goes on and on where companies that got tax breaks and regulation cuts should have improved their working contidions and life for their employees but only profits increased while employees remained stagnant.
@spencerr2413
4 жыл бұрын
@@honestabe6926 ignoring the obvious fact that in a country with hundreds of millions of people and a world of billions, not everyone is so fortunate to be able to tell Amazon no. For them, that's what they can realistically get. And it's abhorrent when the corporation that relies on these people does not compensate them in kind as they continue to grow. That doesn't mean they can't continue to grow profits, but it does mean a portion of that should always go back to helping the people who got you to that point. If the Corp wins, everyone should win to some extent. And in this day and age, there are plenty of big companies that get by passing on the bare minimum.
@MishitTennis
4 жыл бұрын
@@honestabe6926 All of the things you just said have been proved wrong. I urge you to listen to Sam Seder debate conservaties and libertarians and get a history lesson on why what you are saying just isn't true. There is NO choice for a person with no education and that has been impacted by poverty to have a choice of working at Amazon and a higher paying job... What choice exactly does a person have with limited resources and bills to pay... stay in a shitty job or what... go to another shitty job at another corporation that will abuse them? IDK man you are literally doing the same thing my initial comment stated. You are telling me talking points. If you continue to hold those strong biases and beliefs then do so.
@TheUzamaki1234
4 жыл бұрын
Who's the third guy on the stage because he's not the moderator 😂
@JohnAC4
4 жыл бұрын
Oh damn I forgot he existed😂
@isaact3794
4 жыл бұрын
I like it when the mod let's them dive deep into their opinions
@henzminer9874
Жыл бұрын
God damn Sam absolutely devastated Charlie at 29:00 and forward, my God did he do some damage
@sasso09
Жыл бұрын
I bet you also think Fetterman beat Oz
@henzminer9874
Жыл бұрын
@@sasso09 well considering Fetterman had a stroke, no he didn’t win the debate. He did win the election tho!
@murk4552
Жыл бұрын
@@sasso09 yeah a hack who isn't from NJ and is a fake doctor like Chopra knows what their state wants, sheep.
@trevorthompson330
Жыл бұрын
Charlie won this easily
@lesterballard3310
3 жыл бұрын
Charlie did not know what the glass steagall act is lol
@oscarpall6604
3 жыл бұрын
Man... Charlie got schooled.
@victorbergman9169
3 жыл бұрын
How?
@smthone
3 жыл бұрын
@@victorbergman9169 did you not watch the debate? Sam presented facts, and stats. Charlie spewed nothing but talking points.
@victorbergman9169
3 жыл бұрын
@@smthone like what your majesty?
@smthone
3 жыл бұрын
@@victorbergman9169 like the tax cut. The one for the rich is permanent, and the one for the middle class has a sunset clause. Watch the debate again and fact check for yourself.
@victorbergman9169
3 жыл бұрын
@@smthone ok I will
@davidl5119
4 жыл бұрын
Why do the progressive guys let this guys interrupt and have all the time to speak. Moderator?
@meggie11102
2 жыл бұрын
Take a shot every time Charlie misuses or conjugates a word incorrectly. But use water so you don’t die. I wish he’d stop reminding us he didn’t go to college. We can tell.
@pushbackx562
2 жыл бұрын
LOL BUT USE WATER SO YOU DON'T DIE. HAHAHA
@josue24
4 жыл бұрын
Poor Charlie Kirk. He was outmatched.
@flexgado249
4 жыл бұрын
No
@randawoehawoe
4 жыл бұрын
Nah he wasn't
@NotAManYouCanMend
4 жыл бұрын
Nope
@vicsalvo2231
4 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@papasanaah-faried8054
4 жыл бұрын
Flexgado24 yup he lost
@peksn
3 жыл бұрын
Not a single ad until it ended, great video
@ricardorodriguez-hk9mm
3 жыл бұрын
His Foxconn example didn't age well 😅
@TheNand311
3 жыл бұрын
Kirk clearly doesn’t know CA property taxes vs. say TX property taxes. No comparison, it is far better in CA. Of course CA does have state income tax, so it almost balances in that sense, but Kirk is throwing out a lot of misinformation blended into his arguments.
@chrishakala528
3 жыл бұрын
@Estel Walker I live in Texas. Our property taxes are high.
@guitarandrums
3 жыл бұрын
@Estel Walker your*
@guitarandrums
3 жыл бұрын
@Estel Walker lol how exactly did you arrive at me being a communist
@guitarandrums
3 жыл бұрын
@Estel Walker I don't think you have a single clue what you're talking about.
@guitarandrums
3 жыл бұрын
@Estel Walker right because it was such a ludicrous and baseless assumption that I don’t think I have to. I was simply curious as to how you arrived at that conclusion.
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