Vaush took sargon's shoeonhead so he's coming for vaush's destiny.
@hiruyabebaw807
4 жыл бұрын
new destiny arc
@joaovitorreisdasilva9573
4 жыл бұрын
Just no, almost everything Sargon said was just dumb or a lie.
@hiruyabebaw807
4 жыл бұрын
@@joaovitorreisdasilva9573 well thats the usual
@joaovitorreisdasilva9573
4 жыл бұрын
@@hiruyabebaw807 he literally opens saying he didn't thought Destiny was a socialist. THEY DEBATED OVER THE 3 CLIPS HE POSTED INTO HIS SHITPOST CHANNEL THAT IMPLIED DESTINY WAS A COMMIE FFS LOL. Like I know socialists and communists are two very different things, but Sargon either don't know or don't care let's be real here lol
@ordohereticus3427
4 жыл бұрын
@@joaovitorreisdasilva9573 To these people, anyone left of Hayek is a commie traitor. Rather ironic because these are the same people who bemoan the fact that the other side is always accusing them of being literal fascists and white supremacists.
@shirmaman1886
4 жыл бұрын
So next convo is going to be jontron i gather, since this is a reboot arc?
@spencerbuck1074
4 жыл бұрын
Jon wouldn’t allow himself back on the stream
@MrZombiPineapple
4 жыл бұрын
Arc ongoing. This is a textbook example of liberals capitulating with fascism when threatened by the left. Destiny let so much slide here that he wouldn't have before. Sargon is as twittish as he ever was.
@Spinbassflipbassfly
4 жыл бұрын
Zombi Pineapple imagine thinking Sargon of Akkad is a fascist 😂 how’d you figure that one, brainlet? Ever read a book? 😂
@elnet2319
4 жыл бұрын
@@Spinbassflipbassfly He's a white nationalist lol
@Spinbassflipbassfly
4 жыл бұрын
Elnet I don’t understand how you can state that as if it’s a fact. He clearly isn’t, he’s never expressed any such view.
@willridgway2513
4 жыл бұрын
"hey Carl, hey Steve"
@rolo8847
3 жыл бұрын
Old lovers
@Likeitornot91
3 жыл бұрын
That hurt
@poadude
3 жыл бұрын
It’s
@ricecake4588
4 жыл бұрын
WTF, I never expected these two to ever talk again.
@SeruraRenge11
4 жыл бұрын
Maybe Destiny was depressed and just wanted an easy punching bag today.
@johncashrocks221
4 жыл бұрын
Perhaps this will happen one day with Vaush too
@valforatlas
4 жыл бұрын
William Brown they seem pretty friendly here
@anxez
4 жыл бұрын
Sargon's looking for blood in the water for a convert.
@SeruraRenge11
4 жыл бұрын
@@valforatlas That doesn't discredit what I said, people like having punching bags around.
@travishimebaugh8381
4 жыл бұрын
Sargon: It's clear that socialism appeals because people like simplistic, very generalized views of things Sargon: No, see, all the problems with the NHS, that's all because of mass immigration
@ladyvanda
4 жыл бұрын
Sargon: if black people in the US just all got married, they wouldn’t have problems anymore
@datvo3076
4 жыл бұрын
Gheleon the Driven you’re missing the point. You have the same exact thought process that idiot Sargon has. Black people don’t get married often because of socioeconomic and racial issues that still exist in America that lead to them unable to have a stable family. This is putting the horse before the wagon. Black people don’t have issues because they aren’t married, that doesn’t make any logical sense, they aren’t married because of the issues still existed in the country. The only way your thought process would work is to admit that black people some how have some weird gene that lead them to create a culture that doesn’t let them married which just doesn’t make sense biologically.
@MrBonethugs4lyfe
4 жыл бұрын
@@gheleonthedriven649 It's also about the generational wealth gap that was also perpetrated by the white community as well as being only a few decades since the lifting of laws that were dedicated to segregating blacks from the whites. But yes, personal responsibility is the biggerest problem that will solve all black issues pog
@Monkey_slapping_keys
4 жыл бұрын
Is he still surface level Andy? Is it worth the watch?
@travishimebaugh8381
4 жыл бұрын
@@gheleonthedriven649 Do you think people will be more or less inclined to get married when they have very poor socioeconomic prospects? Not making the "responsible" choices isn't the cause. It's a symptom of a deeper problem.
@pennclick
4 жыл бұрын
Old Destiny - "Debate w/ Sargon of Akkad" New Destiny - "Chatting w/ Sargon of Akkad"
@qqqrrr2556
4 жыл бұрын
Destiny's old KZitem Editor - "I can't believe Sargon of Akkad said this!"
@ianblum22
4 жыл бұрын
I don’t like this arc
@Mariomario-gt4oy
4 жыл бұрын
Newer destiny- "collaboration with sargon"
@myheartspits
4 жыл бұрын
The horror.
@keodejong2741
4 жыл бұрын
Ian Blum why not? I don’t mind the debates, but some more relaxed discussions are also productive and good to listen too
@slapsop852
3 жыл бұрын
“Cuomo never sent sick people to nursing homes, that never happened.” That didn’t age well, maybe consider what else could currently be presented as fact or science and be potentially false.
@estradiolvalerate8925
4 жыл бұрын
The industrial revolution and its consequences
@chickenfeed6272
4 жыл бұрын
have been
@Stefan-uq5qz
4 жыл бұрын
A disaster for
@legoboy7825
4 жыл бұрын
The problem with
@griggerykimothy4865
4 жыл бұрын
Is how little it is
@kk8490
4 жыл бұрын
bombed.
@obliviondoctor5370
4 жыл бұрын
destiny became a liberalist collaborator in this negotiation.
@tenshii_92
4 жыл бұрын
Best one I've seen in a long time. Good job
@BigmanDogs
4 жыл бұрын
Sargon and Destiny has joined forces to form the omni-liberalist gang.
@paulhamrick3943
3 жыл бұрын
Destiny: our infant mortality rate in the US is abysmal, sub-saharan Africa levels Easily Googled, infant mortality per 100,000 births: Sweden: 2 Germany: 2 UK: 4 Canada: 4 United States: 6 Uganda: 33 Ghana: 34
@nathanjora7627
2 жыл бұрын
He's greatly exagerated but the US have a worrying number of states (and ethnicities) with pretty high levels of mortality rates for a first world nation, from what I can find some states are around at the same levels as third world nations, the average nationwide was closer to chile in 2019 than to slovak republic, neither of which are good, and the worst in the country were closer to turkey than even chile. That's far from sub saharan africa levels, it's also abysmally high for a first world nation.
@originolbunnyman
4 жыл бұрын
As a brit its hard to watch Sargon making up random shit about the UK, which is just flat out wrong, during the debates.
@SuperSupermanX1999
4 жыл бұрын
ikr "the Tories have been chill over Brexit", "UKIP are Churchillian (whatever that means)". it's all so infuriating
@alexjaybrady
4 жыл бұрын
@@SuperSupermanX1999 he thinks hes learned lessons from his first disastrous attempt at politics and wants to be a conservative mp now..
@mirceasolea9384
4 жыл бұрын
it is crazy how much he lies and some people just gobble it up..
@jameshopkins6168
4 жыл бұрын
"Flat out wrong" according to you
@SuperSupermanX1999
4 жыл бұрын
@@jameshopkins6168 According to any reasonable person who's not grifting for his party, yeah.
@damiendiem7956
4 жыл бұрын
As a Korean-American, it's great that South Korea gets so much props for their handling of Covid. However, Sargon's point on "liberty" is right. There is no culturlal importance set on the concept of privacy in Korea. They basically traded all privacy (contact tracing via location data, phone tracing, messaging, etc.) for safety (which they will probably never get back) Whether the trade is worth it is an interesting philosophical debate. But I just want people to know there is a trade.
@SeruraRenge11
4 жыл бұрын
@Eren Yeager Probably because Korea has had maybe 20 years tops where it wasn't ruled by either a king, a foreign empire, or a military dictatorship. It isn't exactly a culture that has had much liberty to care about.
@mamayareborn
4 жыл бұрын
There is no trade. Your privacy is meaningless; the government absolutely does not care what you're doing. This idea that there's some office somewhere where government people in suits are spying your every move and judging you is such an unbelievably stupid and so centrally american perspective of life that it's hard to take seriously -- and believe me, out of respect, I am trying. Your "privacy" was foregone the moment satellites became a thing, Damien. If the government wants to know where you are, they will, and they'll never need to ask for your permission. You'll never even know. Equally, and since I know a lot of pro-gun people tend to share this idea of "THE GUBMENT SEEIN ALL MA NUDES"; if the government wanted you dead, or wanted to control the population or subjugate them, I could always remind you that they have fighter jets, tanks, and thousands of trained soldiers. But honestly, they wouldn't need any of that since they have access to your water supplies and, should they be willing, you'd all be poisoned and killed within one week before any of you even knew what the fuck was going on. So, yeah, needless to say: I 100% side with South Korea. Fuck this silly concept of "privacy". Nobody gives a fuck where you are at all times and I'll gladly trade that information in, if it means that I'll be safer in the longrun.
@mamayareborn
4 жыл бұрын
@Eren Yeager Because it is a culture that doesn't live under a false pretense of privacy to begin with.
@grimm6395
4 жыл бұрын
@@mamayareborn you could have stopped at your privacy is meaningless, nothing u say beyond that is worth reading
@mamayareborn
4 жыл бұрын
@@SeruraRenge11 Americans have existed for 300 years. Most cities in my country are older than that. They're still struggling with concepts like what liberty actually means. This association of "the government has my data" with "freedoms", can only come from a country currently in its teenager years. You're literally treating your government like an edgy teen treats their parent, because you think they secretly hate you and don't understand you and want you dead. It's really funny. And listen: It's not like I don't conceptually understand. Spending so long being fed garbage about the rest of the world and how we're all a bunch of brainwashed savage commies will do that to ya.
@BenReillySpydr1962
4 жыл бұрын
Sargon trying *REEEEEEEEEEAL* hard to convert Destiny to The Dark Side of online counterculture. 🤦
@St1kyFinguz
4 жыл бұрын
Not more then Vaush 😅
@BenReillySpydr1962
4 жыл бұрын
@@St1kyFinguz Never heard of em
@smalltrashman4227
4 жыл бұрын
@@BenReillySpydr1962 Vaush is a dishonest socialist hack.
@smalltrashman4227
4 жыл бұрын
And sargon isn't trying to convert anyone. He's just talking.
@0x20pirate
4 жыл бұрын
@@smalltrashman4227 Go away Sargonite
@김태환-w4k8e
4 жыл бұрын
That rude man says that Korea is autocratic. What we did was much more democratic than most Western countries forced lockdown! Yes, Korea is a country that has embraced democracy late, but for that reason, it's stupid to ignore the democratic traditions we have made and kept! According to the man's standards, a country that has not been democratic for about 200 years can't be an example of solving the problem democratically? And how would you explain New Zealand? I'm so disappointed that this streamer didn't properly ask about that part.
@Jrez
4 жыл бұрын
It's all Fox News taking points. To defend Trump's lack of response to covid, you kinda have to argue that being proactive or doing anything more than he did would have been overly totalitarian like China.
@levvy3006
4 жыл бұрын
Destiny admits he doesn't know much about history. He probably didn't question Sargons lie about Korea because he didn't know anything about it.
@k.k.glider6212
4 жыл бұрын
It's cognitive dissonance where if a country is doing better than us, they must be authoritarian!
@erichooper2794
4 жыл бұрын
@@k.k.glider6212 thats not what cognitive dissonance means.
@김태환-w4k8e
4 жыл бұрын
@@scenopiachannel That's right. We did smartphone contact tracing which was a undemocratic measure and violates personal freedom. However, if we didn't, we would have violated our individual liberties even more. We predicted that if we didn't do that, a lockdown like the one in Wuhan would be inevitable nationally We did less undemocratic measures to avoid bigger undemocratic measures. Was the action most Western countries did more democratic than we did? We avoided Draconian lockdown by doing contact tracing. Oh please. Don't boil the word that Western countries, especially countries like the United States, do not compromise on privacy or democracy in any case. Even Koreans living in distant East Asia can google the Patriot Act.
@Sprite_525
4 жыл бұрын
*Sargon, Coach Redpill, John Z:* “welcomeeee!” *Destiny* : “chill”
@leajey4279
4 жыл бұрын
is John Zherkas conservative? He definitely didn't seem like one
@Lee-ss5nv
4 жыл бұрын
Leajey42 he used to say he was on the old Rajj shows but if you actually keep up with his stances he’s moderately liberal
@FuddlyDud
4 жыл бұрын
On NY Coronavirus: Cuomo put nursing home patients back in the homes because he thought the large projections were going to overwhelm hospitals, hence why he tried to make space and there were so many unused temporary hospitals. However, he was so incredibly wrong due to susceptibility of this population. Some governors knew this and were smarter (De Santis). This is why now NY doesn’t have data on its nursing homes since it’s estimated 15-30% of deaths came from nursing homes and I doubt they want people to realize just how badly they messed up. Destiny is 100% wrong here, not sure where he’s getting his data from :/
@iBePancakez
4 жыл бұрын
You know 2020 is fucked when Destiny's most civil discussion is with Sargon
@christopherlee9026
4 жыл бұрын
Oh jesus, let's see how cringe this can get.
@neonlost
4 жыл бұрын
this arc is getting too predictable, hopefully the writing gets better in 2021
@SeruraRenge11
4 жыл бұрын
I want to know how many fallacies Sargon makes that he doesn't realize are fallacies.
@nunya2445
4 жыл бұрын
@@neonlost Destiny is advocating right wing safety squads. Boomerang theory confirmed.
@SeruraRenge11
4 жыл бұрын
Actually better question. How many times will Sargon in this conversation come to a conclusion first, then when Destiny asks him to clarify how he came to that conclusion he presents reasoning that actually undermines his conclusion and then pretends that it doesn't?
@christopherlee9026
4 жыл бұрын
@@SeruraRenge11 True.
@alexhobbs2352
4 жыл бұрын
Sargon: I don't want to ruin society for my kids to protect old people who won't be around much longer anyway Brexit, the 8 ton elephant in the room: *sits*
@help4343
4 жыл бұрын
And no Trump, an old person, has the virus.
@Cruciatum
3 жыл бұрын
Current UK economic predictions outstrip Germany and France over 10-15 years.
@CorwinTheOneAndOnly
3 жыл бұрын
Britain left because they were the second highest contributor to the EU, second only to germany, but the EU still treated britain like shit. Britain wanted to be sovereign again, and didn't want to pay the millions upon millions of support money that clearly wasn't doing anything *for the british people* Thus they left
@kaboose64
3 жыл бұрын
@@CorwinTheOneAndOnly Yeahhhh things are going a bit shit in the UK since Brexit: Mass loss of workers in services and transportation, financial institutions moved £150Bn in capital and assets to the EU and we're currently facing shortages of goods AS WELL AS facing reduced exports to the EU continent. Brexit was a bad move on all fronts
@CorwinTheOneAndOnly
3 жыл бұрын
@@kaboose64 you traded security for personal liberty and sovereignty. It was a great move
@smolldolllol
4 жыл бұрын
"where are we getting this consistent data from?" "the cdc, literally their job" "where are they getting it from?" literally spending $6 billion on scientific research?
@lmSnarkk
4 жыл бұрын
If I 'literally spend 6 billion' to cure cancer, will I cure cancer? Excellent logic there brother!!
@TaCo0oCaT
4 жыл бұрын
@@lmSnarkk CDC isnt trying to cure anything specific, or anything really. Try again
@smolldolllol
4 жыл бұрын
brother lol
@sirellyn
3 жыл бұрын
@Jason Simmons His valid point is that saying you spend X amount of dollars doesn't answer the question "where are they getting it (the data) from?" Does more money automatically make things more effective? There's already been the letter from thousands of CDC staff about considering racism a disease. There's clear deductive evidence they don't always adhere to science if their politics get in the way. Members of the CDC also tend to like their own jobs. So being fair about any data that would undermine that, they have a clear bias against.
@pporr
3 жыл бұрын
@@sirellyn sure there's not a causitive link between money and the information they put out. However, empirically, data collection is relatively straightforward, the depth and scale are dependent on money at this kind of task. Also, it's really stupid to push this narrative that they have to inflate numbers to keep their jobs. The WHO wasn't created overnight. They'll still keep their job, and also the economic damage caused by covid could screw available WHO funds long term anyway.
@instakillgaming
4 жыл бұрын
so this video is basically sargon thinking he's on good graces with destiny because they both dislike vaush but when he's more comfortable opening up destiny destroys his ego
@johncashrocks221
4 жыл бұрын
insta kill Destiny probably likes Vaush deep deep down comparatively more than Sargon.
@gram8121
4 жыл бұрын
I watch a fuck ton of Vaush and destiny so I really hate this arc, Carl is trying to warm up to destiny so he can get a new recruit
@stopaskingforrealnames3853
4 жыл бұрын
@@gram8121 ...Or Carl's always had sympathy for people who get burnt like Destiny? That's more likely since he's commented on similar situations in the past. Don't mind read, jesus.
@smalltrashman4227
4 жыл бұрын
How would destiny destroy his ego when sargon was right on almost every point here?
@smalltrashman4227
4 жыл бұрын
@@RequiemOfSolo Why do you go immediately to personal attacks? It's like you aren't even interested in making sure you're correct and instead religiously worship an ideology or idea. You think anyone who goes against that is automatically evil. It's actually pretty sad.
@avag8242
4 жыл бұрын
Only 10 minutes in and I have never heard Sargon sound so chill
@mamayareborn
4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, he and the rest of the righties who're trying to feed off of him right now are treating him like a potential asset because they're tone-deaf.
@frbe0101
4 жыл бұрын
I think he is trying to love bomb destiny.
@andrew66769
4 жыл бұрын
@@mamayareborn Yea this seems to be the common theme between most of the righties that he's talked to recently.
@SeruraRenge11
4 жыл бұрын
Sargon's had his dopamine.
@nezmustard
4 жыл бұрын
This is also the most chill Destiny has been with Carl
@joewall8210
4 жыл бұрын
Kinda crazy how he can play a game and have a deep conversation at the same time.
@Mykulveli
4 жыл бұрын
As far as the virus name discussion: Even Corona beer came out after losing money and said they would pay a large sum of money to start calling it the Bud Light Virus. Even the stigma of sharing a name with a beer hurt its market share.
@singami465
4 жыл бұрын
I believe this is implied in calling it the "Chinese Virus". People like to pretend (in bad faith) like it's a criticism on Chinese nationality/race, when it's directly a criticism of CCP's mishandling and ultimately unleashing the pandemic.
@CorwinTheOneAndOnly
3 жыл бұрын
Well maybe china should stop producing world ending viruses then, and then we can talk about raising their reputation.
@charlesfinster4893
3 жыл бұрын
17:42 Aged like fine wine
@raiderrocker18
4 жыл бұрын
sargon strategically waits for destiny to get into an anti-leftist mood to talk to him so destiny wouldnt be as aggressive in calling out his crap lol really glad destiny shouted out potholer54... he's one of the best guys on youtube, though his content has slowed down sadly
@socialminds9894
4 жыл бұрын
Arman Raider actually his content has ramped up relatively recently. He used to only upload around 2 videos a year in the early 2010s
@raiderrocker18
4 жыл бұрын
@@socialminds9894 he was making something like 20+ videos back in 2011-2013 or so.
@thatindiandude4602
3 жыл бұрын
@@raiderrocker18 agreed. Now and again, I watch his steven crowder videos.
@dripshameless5605
3 жыл бұрын
Hey thanks! I didn't see the full debate but I just checked out potholder thanks to you, he really has great videos! I much prefer he takes his time rather than spewing out stuff. Cheers :)
@curses6166
3 жыл бұрын
Sargon made some good points about the WHO though.
@MrRonock
4 жыл бұрын
As someone from the UK, sargon just lied about so many things and seemed to back it up with ''Well in the UK'' because Destiny can't refute it, such slimey behavior
@naomira_nee
4 жыл бұрын
It's not slimey if your just that delusional and live in your own world
@Crispman_777
4 жыл бұрын
@@naomira_nee Can't fault that logic lol
@nathangordon4891
4 жыл бұрын
I’m also from the UK, what did sargon lie about here?
@robchambers91
4 жыл бұрын
I'm from NY cumo killed people in nursing homes can confirm
@Crispman_777
4 жыл бұрын
@@nathangordon4891 One notable lie is when he makes out that immigrants and "healthcare tourism" are the one of the biggest cause of the NHS's patient overcapacity problems. This simply isn't true. They're incredibly insignificant compared to other policy issues, if you can even call it an issue when it's literally there to treat sick and injured people with no questions asked.
@duckcluck123
4 жыл бұрын
I'm only 9 minutes in, but I'm seeing Destiny already fall into the trap of thinking all police departments are a monolith. 1. People are always saying "improve training improve training" but it's like how? improve which training? New York City has one of the most advanced police departments in the entire world, and the requirements for joining are extremely rigorous. A police department in rural Wisconsin does not need nearly the same level of rigor. 2. Destiny is commenting on how some police departments have tanks. Yeah, some police departments have a lot of funding and get leftover military gear. But there are police departments that literally can't afford proper tasers (I heard this in a donut operator video), let alone an entire system for body cameras. Obviously, I will never say it's wrong to make policing way more efficient. But I feel like people are making these arguments thinking that police departments are a monolith, and without ever having listened to or spoken to a police officer about it. About Trump's response to the coronavirus. I'm certain there were plenty of things that Trump should have done before the number of cases exploded, but I agree with Carl that really nobody took it seriously until it started to explode. And when it did, Trump was really on top of communicating with the public and listening to his epidemic response team. But we also have to remember that the US is a federal republic, and states have the power to do whatever they feel is necessary to protect themselves from the virus. IQ is extremely powerful in predicting one's success in life. And it's a really powerful way of explaining why there are some racial disparities that remain true all over the globe. So we can steer away from this idea that "Everyone is capable of being rich and successful if they just try hard enough." No someone with an IQ of 85 is going to have an EXTREMELY hard time of being rich and successful. Now if you have an entire population that has an average IQ of 85, then you can see why that community may not be as successful as other groups with higher average IQs. Current research consistently suggests IQ is really easy to decrease, but is nearly impossible to significantly increase permanently. Using this knowledge can help you figure out better ways of helping these people achieve a decent life without the "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" line. About China's immigration. Sure China is willing to let in lots of immigrants for work purposes, but it also is extremely hard to become a citizen and you will be deported so fast if you do bad shit. Kinda wish America had that too. If you add 700 million immigrants to make a billion citizens, you no longer live in America. America as a nation is now dead and has been obliterated. Good luck with whatever you have left but that's not a nation anymore. I think Destiny forgets that over half of the federal budget is spent on social programs, including social security, Medicaid, and Medicare. So it's not like your immediately fucked if you're poor or disabled. And last time I checked, the US has some of the best cancer survivor rates in the world. But of course, the system could be way way better. "Xenophobia is the dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries." Trump calling it the "China Virus" is not xenophobia by definition. He's saying "fuck you China the country" not "fuck you every Chinese person". Constantly calling it xenophobia is like those idiots who constantly call everything racist or transphobic. Obviously, it's not the best way to name a virus, it's more than anything just a jab at China. And interesting how Destiny says calling it the "Chinese virus" is wrong because Chinese is an ethnicity. Chinese is also a nationality? It's like if you called something the "Swedish flu" I don't believe a rational person immediately thinks "we are naming the virus after the people of Swedish ethnicity", no they would think this is a virus that comes from the country of Sweden.
@strajkz
3 жыл бұрын
Can't handle whenever Destiny calls Sargon by his given name...always throws me back to Llamas with Hats... -"CAAAAAARL that kills people!"
@somtimesieat2411
4 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this interaction. Been following Sargon since 2016 and just started watching Destiny so to see the two just hanging out is a nice one
@cypherdk85
4 жыл бұрын
20:45 sargon is grossly misinformed on death numbers, or he is intentionally dishonest. Direct c19 death, sure it might be low, but that is not all doctors are looking at, they are also looking at co-morbidity, deaths caused by things brought on by c19, like pneumonia. This doesn't mean that c19 doesn't kill a lot, when medical researchers look at how deadly a virus is they have to include the co-morbidity in the numbers for them to actually be accurate. One bigger problem with c19 when compared to the former SARS outbreak, is that c19 significantly more infectious.
@Yoshsterpalooza
4 жыл бұрын
Well considering the death rate is about .5 it’s not very high, and considering deaths of people who were already dying of some underlying issue are being added to represent the average citizens likelihood of dying, its not a good way to present the deaths.
@giovalladares1022
4 жыл бұрын
The fact that 94% of COVID deaths had 2.6 underlying conditions means those who die from this are on the way out. That’s a generalization but not a terribly inaccurate one. If we exposed the young and healthy to the virus and isolated the high risk then we would be mostly over with the virus like other countries are. The death rate for children over 4 to people under 45 is identical to the regular flu.
@cypherdk85
4 жыл бұрын
@@Yoshsterpalooza right, let me ask you this then. Let's say a person has terminal brain cancer, they get into a car crash that gives them swelling in the brain and that kills them. What should be noted as the cause of death? Should the cancer be the cause of death? Should the swelling in the brain? Or should the car crash be noted as the actual cause? The reason I ask, is that a person may have some underlying condition beforehand that may or may not kill them, but they can still die beforehand because of something else. For example you might have severe lung problems that will end up killing you, but if you then get c19 and that gives further problems and you then die, that still means that you died because of c19.
@cypherdk85
4 жыл бұрын
@@giovalladares1022 do you have a source for those very specific numbers? Just curious. Also, you do realise that when healthy people get over c19 their lungs aren't in great shape afterwards, right? Add to that, that you can get it again after having had it, you aren't immune after you've had it. And with damaged lungs from the first time your chances of survival are lower if you get it a second time. Are you going to claim that it's not because of c19 that they might die, its just because of lung damage?
@giovalladares1022
4 жыл бұрын
CyphDK I had COVID. My lungs healed 100% because I’m young. Unless you have underlying conditions you will heal completely. You do in fact have immunity for a bare minimum of a couple months after catching it. My numbers are from the CDC themselves. For young people this isn’t anything else than a contagious flu.
@Kaarli
4 жыл бұрын
Im pretty sure: sargon cant read. Change my mind.
@enopeeb
4 жыл бұрын
reading backwards is still reading
@seanb8628
4 жыл бұрын
He still can't read. Confirmed.
@iliqilq8376
3 жыл бұрын
wait thats not a fact
@toby9364
4 жыл бұрын
Sargon is utterly deluded when he gives his take on the EU’s negotiating tactics. They haven’t changed, they have been consistent the entire time.
@Empyronaut
4 жыл бұрын
"Universal Healthcare isn't perfect." Listening to a man who was living in Germany for large parts of his youth and despite this experience is still claiming this is quite astounding to be perfectly honest.
@veratikon7882
3 жыл бұрын
Theyre both right. It was it's flaws, but it's also way better than the american system. The british model, however, is one of the worse examples.
@Al-ji4gd
2 жыл бұрын
@@veratikon7882 Exactly. Just because the American system is shite doesn't mean the British one is any good. It's not.
@mamayareborn
4 жыл бұрын
Carl is being dishonest regarding the Sweden death-rate. The country itself is five times bigger than a country like Portugal, another European country that underwent a strict lockdown. Population size is comparable to Portugal (around 11 million). So, population density is many times lower than Portugal, yet the population is about the same size -- this means that, by logic alone, transmission should be well below what's expected of a country five times smaller and with the same amount of people. Especially if they're doing "Social distancing" like Carl says. With all of that said, Sweden's death rate and cases skyrocket above Portugal's; twice the number of cases and a whopping three times the number of deaths. Sweden is not a success case; this is absolutely misinformation banking on American's general ignorance of European events. If anyone's reading this after the fact: Do not let him, or anyone else fool you on this.
@SeruraRenge11
4 жыл бұрын
There's also the fact that like you said, if you don't live in Stockholm then you basically live in the middle of nowhere and your town has maybe a hundred people. At least that's how Joel from Vinesauce describes it since he's from northern sweden which to them is kinda their equivalent of the boonies. Also apparently everyone that's not from Stockholm kinda hates Stockholm because it's seen as being soulless and too "generic european" instead of anything uniquely Swedish.
@notmenotyou
4 жыл бұрын
sweden is not a success, but also living here I gotta say you have to be careful with pop density. A quarter of all swedes live in like 1 city, the rest seem to be concentrated to cities too. As Im typing its 3AM friday, all the bars and restaurants are full, no one gives a fuck about social distancing here, I've seen like 2 masks the last month. We're basically sacrificing our old to the economy
@SeruraRenge11
4 жыл бұрын
@@notmenotyou I mean that's one way to not have to pay for their healthcare.
@notmenotyou
4 жыл бұрын
@@SeruraRenge11 theyve paid taxes longer than I've been alive, I think they deserve a nice retirement.
@SeruraRenge11
4 жыл бұрын
@@notmenotyou I wasn't saying I disagree, I'm just syaing that seems to be the state of things.
@treyt7914
4 жыл бұрын
Btw before you get mad at Destiny for not going nuclear on Sargon, the righties are being super charitable and nice to Destiny rn because they think he's on their side after his Rittenhouse takes. So Destiny is trying to be as persuasive as possible in his rhetoric.
@stopaskingforrealnames3853
4 жыл бұрын
I actually like him because he approaches honestly, compared to a lot of 'lefties'.
@HeavyMetalorRockfan9
4 жыл бұрын
I don't follow many righties, mostly just sargon (though I more often than not feel his takes are tiresome), but I gotta say destiny is pretty on the money. I checked him out once before but after this stream I came over and watched a couple of his other conversations and I think he's an excellent conversationalist who actually fucking gets it. I don't remember which stream it was but when he told one guy that you have it distinguish between actual die-hard fascists and fascism enablers I was overjoyed.
@HeavyMetalorRockfan9
4 жыл бұрын
I don't follow many righties, mostly just sargon (though I more often than not feel his takes are tiresome), but I gotta say destiny is pretty on the money. I checked him out once before but after this stream I came over and watched a couple of his other conversations and I think he's an excellent conversationalist who actually fucking gets it. I don't remember which stream it was but when he told one guy that you have it distinguish between actual die-hard fascists and fascism enablers I was overjoyed.
@jamz3243
4 жыл бұрын
Extreme lefty here. It is indeed best to save going nuclear on people who actually can affect people's lives in a negative way. If I am ever in a debate with Trump I will always go nuclear with him. But people who defend Trump and people who run for government in UK but fucking fail because of a rape joke are not really worth going nuclear over. Destiny and David Pakman are the two methods of arguing that are the best of the best. Let the opponent play with the rope and then hang them with their own rope.
@98danielray
4 жыл бұрын
@John Toas you only make the smartest takes dude. good job
@Jalmerk
4 жыл бұрын
I live in a country with socialized healthcare and three years ago I came down with cancer. My surgery was scheduled for exactly one week from my diagnosis.
@Jalmerk
4 жыл бұрын
@John Toas I pay my taxes, so not only do I deserve it, but I am entitled to it. I hope you have fun living in your little world where you don't deserve to live a healthy life though.
@Jalmerk
4 жыл бұрын
@John Toas That's not how taxes work, or how anything works for that matter. But not having access to the same protections and rights as the rest of the developed world must be tough so I forgive you for that discrepancy
@Jalmerk
4 жыл бұрын
@John Toas Yeah whatever you say, Ayn Rand. Enjoy your medical bills. You deserve them.
@bigruckus8664
5 ай бұрын
Scandinavian countries are better at utilising tax money especially with healthcare compared to a country like the UK. The NHS is in shambles.
@unclefa4416
4 жыл бұрын
Sargon still crying after June
@MasteringJohn
4 жыл бұрын
Eh, seems like he's more focused on his personal business projects (which makes sense, given that their success or failure will decide the future of his career as a political/cultural commentator). I suspect people give these internet spats far more weight than is actually present in their minds.
@Sesshounamaru7
4 жыл бұрын
@@MasteringJohn The energy and emotion he puts in his RobinHood tweeter account says otherwise, creationist cat has a funny video on it
@levvy3006
4 жыл бұрын
Embarrassing
@FTWorWTF
4 жыл бұрын
Destiny's characterization of June was accurate. She made tradcon pandering, generic anti-SJW content when it was popular and flipped a switch when Vaush got big. Same with Cunter Avallone, another spineless, money grubbing opportunist.
@noob4ever22
4 жыл бұрын
@@FTWorWTF That's just dumb theres still way more money on the right, hunter especially lost a lot of subscribers, a nd therefore revenue.
@darkfeign
4 жыл бұрын
Remember when Destiny argued for deplatforming people like Sargon?
@darkfeign
4 жыл бұрын
Sargon is spewing proper government talking points about how well they're doing: "These tests have a 93% false positive rate." "The number of deaths are inflated." This is all bullshit. This is a government hiding its tracks.
@thekycklingwizard78
4 жыл бұрын
Darkfeign if you have evidence of that I’ll 100% agree with you, if it’s just conjecture please stop spreading misinformation for literally no reason. Not saying it is but im asking
@dgmr22
4 жыл бұрын
Its definitely interesting to see these guys having a friendly chat. I like both of these guys. I get tired of talks between the right and the right or the left and the left. The most memorable and entertaining discussions in my opinion are by people with opposing beliefs.
@mobius9588
4 жыл бұрын
LOL love that destiny just off-handedly throws out the same statistical fact that Vaush used about highschool grads and Sargon immediately got off the subject cuz he knows he can't counter 😂
@misha130
4 жыл бұрын
They already had this exact conversation in the "post jontron debate" with the exact same stats
@L0neSiPh0n
4 жыл бұрын
@@TheBarca1889 So, just outright denial?
@vaclavmiller8032
4 жыл бұрын
Sargon is an immigration reductionist. There isn't a single problem in the UK which he can't reduce to it.
@exposedtroll908
4 жыл бұрын
It's the only number they taught me 911 is actually useless
@SlimeDadUltra
4 жыл бұрын
I thought this was a good chat. The Zherka chat was surprisingly good as well.
@nickg2129
4 жыл бұрын
I feel the same way I expected dipshit grifting but I enjoyed this
@greyhound4204
4 жыл бұрын
The zherka chat was good...this one was trash, sargon kept bullshitting the whole time to a passive destiny
@stopaskingforrealnames3853
4 жыл бұрын
@@greyhound4204 Okay, buddy.
@livesinalazywonderland4021
4 жыл бұрын
The mushrooms calmed destiny down a lot lol, pre mushroom Destiny would never let Surgon get away with the Spanish flu conspiracies near the end
@SuperSupermanX1999
4 жыл бұрын
as a Brit it was crazy frustrating for me to watch Sargon massively misrepresent everything that's happening over here regarding covid, the Tories being "reasonable" over Brexit (they're literally trying to break international law at the moment), UKIP being "Churchillian" whatever that means (they've just turned into a bunch of anti-islam shitposters at this point) and so on. it's infuriating watching Sargon getting away with that kind of stuff in front of a predominantly American audience that isn't necessarily going to know better
@withinfinite5104
4 жыл бұрын
"I dont want to ruin society" "I dont want to die" We finally got to the Axiomatic Values boys.
@broobit7540
4 жыл бұрын
Yes, vaush, the famous class reductionist.
@rodrigolopes1978
4 жыл бұрын
The famous authoritarian... anarchist? I don't get their logic
@elohellol8481
4 жыл бұрын
@@L0rd0fTh3N3rdz I dont know why we would, Vaush doesn't even consider himself to be morally consistent. It's always been about being effective rhetorically
@singami465
4 жыл бұрын
@@rodrigolopes1978 "Anarcho-Communist" exists, so people literally live a contradiction. The funny part is, anarchism creates a power vacuum that often leads to authoritarian rule, so it's a self-fulfilling promise.
@lysergidedaydream5970
4 жыл бұрын
@@singami465 Anarcho-communism isn't a contradiction, it's a tautology.
@lysergidedaydream5970
4 жыл бұрын
@@Cushpot Do we get a BINGO or something?
@revengeofthesynth5430
4 жыл бұрын
You Destiny fans are so fair weather its not even funny, get real. I am an OG Destiny antagonist, I've been every level of not particularly caring for Destiny to standing up out of my chair and having adrenaline rushes of hatred and frustration as he railed in using some rhetorical Cuban switchblade attack and I could only helplessly listen and debate furiously at the wall behind my computer screen. I've disliked Destiny since before Kraut lost his entire career to a Quebecois superpredator. I've steady been shadowboxing Destiny's arguments in my imagination for a decade-if-you-round-up. Some of you really are biting your fingernails that Destiny is visiting the witches and the warlocks and hes not going to vanquish them and cleanse the lands, oh my, what if they woo him into reciting an incantation? The spell will take hold, he'll cast it back on us, we'll all be cursed! IF I was a fan of Destiny, and I emphasize IF.... I was.... I would be smiting all these unfaithful, fairweather fans who seriously get frantic or frustrated with this, and its not just memeing for them... REAL Destiny fans are sitting back chilling, listening to some fresh approaches on content, hoping Destiny harvests a solid number of Sargonites to give him a chance and become a new source of information or perspective in their daily viewings. If you don't realize Destiny doesnt get 'wooed' by 'chatting' at this point... I recommend a look into his world-class internet drama portfolio.
@nunya2445
4 жыл бұрын
How many levels of irony are we on here?
@odoibe3620
4 жыл бұрын
Irony? Yes! Adderall? Most likely.
@raz1572
4 жыл бұрын
If this isn't poetry, nothing is
@ataridc
4 жыл бұрын
@@odoibe3620 You Destiny fans are so fair weather its not even funny, get real. I am an OG Destiny antagonist, I've been every level of not particularly caring for Destiny to standing up out of my chair and having adrenaline rushes of hatred and frustration as he railed in using some rhetorical Cuban switchblade attack and I could only helplessly listen and debate furiously at the wall behind my computer screen. I've disliked Destiny since before Kraut lost his entire career to a Quebecois superpredator. I've steady been shadowboxing Destiny's arguments in my imagination for a decade-if-you-round-up. Some of you really are biting your fingernails that Destiny is visiting the witches and the warlocks and hes not going to vanquish them and cleanse the lands, oh my, what if they woo him into reciting an incantation? The spell will take hold, he'll cast it back on us, we'll all be cursed! IF I was a fan of Destiny, and I emphasize IF.... I was.... I would be smiting all these unfaithful, fairweather fans who seriously get frantic or frustrated with this, and its not just memeing for them... REAL Destiny fans are sitting back chilling, listening to some fresh approaches on content, hoping Destiny harvests a solid number of Sargonites to give him a chance and become a new source of information or perspective in their daily viewings. If you don't realize Destiny doesnt get 'wooed' by 'chatting' at this point... I recommend a look into his world-class internet drama portfolio.
@EF-wy3di
4 жыл бұрын
This is actually the most reasonable way to engage with his content and actually shows his true value. He can argue his perspective in a way that even if you hate it and disagree with it, it is informative, insightful and challenges you. There is no handwaving his ideas because if you disagree, you have to really think on why. Regardless of how edgy he likes to get from time to time, he will always be a valuable mind with ideas you must consider and seek out for you own benefit.
@turbosector8329
3 жыл бұрын
I'd take Sargon any day over any of these BreadTubers. And I agree with him only about 30% of the time.
@keodejong2741
4 жыл бұрын
Recommendation: don’t check out Sargons comment section from this debate, it will make you cringe harder than is legally allowed.
@PitchBlackYeti
4 жыл бұрын
I'm subscribed to both channels and enjoy both, if you think this comment section is somehow less cringe, you're far too deep into your echo chamber and only deluding yourself.
@Tube_Chaser
4 жыл бұрын
@@PitchBlackYeti How anyone can enjoy Sargon of Akkad is beyond me
@caseypdx503
4 жыл бұрын
@@PitchBlackYeti Correct...Internet Politics as a whole is cringe af.... As Destiny has talked about, it doesn't at all represent how most people think about politics I.E. Destiny: "I'm a progressive social democrat, in favor of more social programs, socialized health care, pro lgbt" Online left: "Destiny is a BoOt LiCkInG LiBeRaL CaPiTalist sHill"
@keodejong2741
4 жыл бұрын
PitchBlackYeti never said that their aren’t weird people here? But that Sargon comment section is actually delusional. But I appreciate the fact that you already assume I’m in an echo chamber, you got that rather quick from one comment of mine.
@tubbylumpkins4885
4 жыл бұрын
Maxime A. Sargon seems like an idiot though.
@enchantertim89
4 жыл бұрын
Where is this arc leading up to?
@Ronnie-mx1wu
4 жыл бұрын
Rightstiny
@schr4nz
4 жыл бұрын
Centristiny The same old thingstiny
@nunya2445
4 жыл бұрын
@@Ronnie-mx1wu correctstany. Realworldstany.
@anthonycarrey5195
4 жыл бұрын
Not quite mask off+hood on, but it's going somewhere where he will be way more flexible making things up so he can as aggressive as possible on lefties. Point being, not good if he doesn't contain his anger, which he's known to be not in total control of.
@mamayareborn
4 жыл бұрын
@@nunya2445 Literally the entirety of the luxuries and freedoms you benefit from and the fact that you're not forcibly eating my ass under serfdom right now is due to progressive ideals fighting through and shaping society toward more liberty and kindness to the fellow human. So I don't know why you'd equate "The Right", especially the american brand of conservatism, to be "The Real World". Nothing could be further from the truth.
@invisiblespeedrc
4 жыл бұрын
Sweden has universal healthcare, and the population is much less dense. Pun intended.
@fowfow7119
4 жыл бұрын
I live in Sweden and was thinking that when he tried that cheap argument
@nathangordon4891
4 жыл бұрын
Here in the UK we also have universal healthcare, and we’re getting fucked
@barnaby4232
3 жыл бұрын
Sweden’s population is very dense actually, common misconception with Scandinavia.
@marvelousmoostacheman5560
3 жыл бұрын
@@barnaby4232 Sweden's population isn't dense at all lmao, it's a very sparesly populated country.
@barnaby4232
3 жыл бұрын
@@marvelousmoostacheman5560 most of Sweden has nobody living there, where there is people there’s a lot of them, extremely urbanised, very little rural population.
@Larvemannenz001
4 жыл бұрын
Man, Sargon switches topics /changes arguments / goes into diatribes so often. Anything to make the opposition not call you out on your bullshit haha.
@headshot519
4 жыл бұрын
He's even self-aware, at some point saying how he enjoyed the meandering conversation.
@ningen7736
4 жыл бұрын
You realise you’re watching destiny right? That’s pretty much his entire shtick in a nutshell.
@adamyooz
3 жыл бұрын
@@ningen7736 No destiny hyper obsessed over every point. He’s the extreme opposite
@sadbread2446
3 жыл бұрын
@@adamyooz Yeah lmao, Destiny tends to hyperfocus to his detriment a lot of the time, his problem is literally dead opposite to what Sargon does. Especially since sometimes the thing he'll hyperfocus can be really stupid.
@funkyanimaltheearloffunkdo1871
4 жыл бұрын
I really liked this vid. It was a good sensible chat.
@thekycklingwizard78
4 жыл бұрын
I love how “a sensible chat” far surpasses our expectations in online politics
@fatima546
3 жыл бұрын
Carl you're tarnishing the name of Sargon of Akkad, your name is Carl.
@nms8397
4 жыл бұрын
Sargon's entire argument about Trump's covid response is disproven by the Woodward recording, lol
@Pincuishin
4 жыл бұрын
Federal gov. doesnt have the authority to enact lockdowns on the states or other measures they wanted taken. its not how our gov is set up. Literally does not have the legal ability to do so. Tariffs/immigration are the responsibility of the executive branch.
@lysergidedaydream5970
4 жыл бұрын
"Tariffs/immigration are the responsibility of the executive branch." What..? You mean the federal government, not the executive branch, right? Also, there are more duties of both than just tarrifs and immigration, no?
@Pincuishin
4 жыл бұрын
@@lysergidedaydream5970 immigration falls directly under the presidents authority. Which IS the federal gov but a specific part of it. IE not the legislative or justice
@lysergidedaydream5970
4 жыл бұрын
@@Pincuishin I'm just trying to point out that your statement about the president, tariffs and immigration appeared to be a non sequitur. That is, it doesn't actually support the claim that the _federal_ government doesn't have the authority to _enact lockdowns._
@otheirony618
4 жыл бұрын
And so it begins...
@SeruraRenge11
4 жыл бұрын
The great smuckling of our time.
@azn2xcbbjai
4 жыл бұрын
@13:29, so he doesn't say the travel ban was xenophobic, but he does say the trump admin's actions were xenophobic in this clip. kzitem.info/news/bejne/wnea4ItjpoR8h6A. Not sure what he would be talking about other than the travel ban.
@bartolomeupacleb4496
4 жыл бұрын
You are infringing on my right to transmit Coronavirus.
@Jaryism
4 жыл бұрын
1:25:00 THIS right here is the MOST POWERFUL part of the entire discussions! In terms of the world view and difference between Liberals and Conservatives, it all comes down to this: What is the governments role in our society? Both Sargon and Destiny defended their position perfectly but this will ALWAYS be the fundamental area they clash and have to agree to disagree... Great vid btw.
@gleekthemonkey4570
4 жыл бұрын
I love how whenever Destiny and Vaush fight conservatives cope about their experiences with Vaush to Destiny.
@thekycklingwizard78
4 жыл бұрын
It’s almost like only one of them is reasonable
@imransufi339
4 жыл бұрын
@@thekycklingwizard78 or that one is more prone to conservatism🤣🤣
@waltanthony1988
4 жыл бұрын
1:20:30 oh the irony of Sargon of the right wing echo chamber Akkad saying that about someone else.
@darkfeign
4 жыл бұрын
"This is not necessarily something that in the most immediate effect changes peoples' day-to-day lives, but it changes the way that they see themselves as being positioned in the world as a people." This perfectly sums up how Brexit only costs us influence on the continent but plays to people's fragile sense of what it means to be British in a post-colonial world where we actually hold very little power and we're now stepping out of institutions that we helped to form to keep our power in the world.
@thomasmann4536
3 жыл бұрын
Theres actually a very simple reason why the Asian countries dealt much better with the pandemic: The people there are MUCH healthier. They eat healthier, have better health care systems, the percentage of the population that's overweight/obese is between 20 and 30, whereas in the US its over 70.
@FlygandeSjuk
4 жыл бұрын
What a patriot, everytime Destiny said something good about UK, Sargon goes "it is not working because immigrants". Well, as Destiny said it is not perfect it is a step in the right direction. Jeeee
@akcleves
4 жыл бұрын
M
@FlygandeSjuk
3 жыл бұрын
No, it depends on what kind of immigrants we are talking about. Highly skilled and educated immigrants are not the problem. Fact is that they make up a substantial part of the work force and without them UKs health system would be worse off..
@FlygandeSjuk
3 жыл бұрын
Globalist lol... well have fun with ur simplistic world view... Also skilled workers is needed no matter nationality.. they are rare.. but I guess you know better then me, who is an actual health care worker...
@md8955
3 жыл бұрын
Carl's "analysis" of Marxism in this, completely describes his own philosophy on politics. Viewing things through an incredibly narrow lense etc.
@user-ej3jy6eg6h
4 жыл бұрын
destiny's realist foreign policy takes are on usually on point. you should try speak to John J Mearsheimer or Robert D Kaplan and talk about China/Asia
@HeavyMetalorRockfan9
4 жыл бұрын
Man I wanna speak to destiny abt foreign policy takes. I'm studying for this and my focus is literally China.
@user-ej3jy6eg6h
4 жыл бұрын
@@HeavyMetalorRockfan9 get onnnn it
@freedomextremist7215
10 ай бұрын
35:00 If you want to justify the government tracking every person you meet or are in contact with for this kind of disease, what are you willing to justify to end obesity and smoking? Those two are responsible for around 700k deaths every year. You could say those people had it coming, but aren't they victims of addiction, often starting their addiction as children? Those things are probably the reason why the US would be fucked even if you had a South Korean approach. How fascist do you want to go?
@chickenfdisoruhg4915
4 жыл бұрын
Getting new notifications from Destiny's channel makes me scared every single time goddamn.
@n8m102
4 жыл бұрын
Next thing you know “Destiny chatting with Richard Spencer”
@TheRiviaWitcher
4 жыл бұрын
Pussy
@richards.5964
4 жыл бұрын
@@n8m102 Holy shit that would be a crazy/surreal convo. I'd actually be curious to see it go down.
@n8m102
4 жыл бұрын
Richard S. You’re name lmao
@richards.5964
4 жыл бұрын
@@n8m102 Well fuck. I didn't actually notice this coming
@bellabell6659
4 жыл бұрын
destiny was literally more charitable to sargon than he ever was to vaush who was his quote on quote "friend"
@nolanpegg6313
4 жыл бұрын
Nice dooddddd u should eat a muffin
@goldengears5355
3 жыл бұрын
Probably because he actually cares about his debates with Vaush whereas here, with Carl, he doesn't give a shit and doesn't have to.
@wbl8100
4 жыл бұрын
3 reasons why South Korea was better equipped to deal with COVID. 1. South Koreans were used to wearing KF certified face masks on a daily basis for many years to prevent permanent lung damage caused by inhaling micro-dusts in the atmosphere. 2. South Korea is one of the top producers high quality of face masks, we had plenty of supply. 3. South Korean population don't have the same die-hard feeling for individual liberty/freedom/privacy. The government was heavily criticized for not taking immediate actions for instance travel ban from/to China was very late. The people of SK should take the credit in the country's excellent dealing with the COVID, not so much the government. It is a completely different situation in the US where approximately half of the country that lean right who may prioritize constitutional rights, individual liberty, personal freedom over wearing masks. It's a very simplistic view to simply say US government/Trump failed while South Korean government succeeded.
@BillClay88
4 жыл бұрын
I remember I used to laugh at China and east Asians countries for wearing masks (I imagine a lot of ppl did) What idiots. Look at these panicky bitch, pyschos. See, what I get for laughing at them. In hindsight, they weren't geniuses, the US just make them look this way.
@wbl8100
4 жыл бұрын
@@BillClay88 It used to be a fashion trend among young people in some Asian countries to wear a cotton facial masks as a symbol of rebellion or anonymity, which I still don't quite understand. I'm not sure about panicky/bitchy, but the Korean people here are very well educated and disciplined in following the health guidelines, backed by one of the most efficient health care system. It's truly remarkable. It's a shame comparing COVID death tolls makes the US look like a 3rd world country. But its very different population and very different circumstances. It really does come down to individuals staying disciplined to wear facial masks and social distancing and quarantine, which wouldn't go well with the free American spirit and outgoing lifestyle. I am not sure if things would look different even if Trump took early actions.
@BillClay88
4 жыл бұрын
@@wbl8100 I didn't know about fashion trend or rebellion, anonymity? Interesting. Yeah, blaming trump for 200k+ deaths solves a lot. You're right, it comes down to individuals. Comparing us to other countries is ridiculous, but not as ridiculous as our results. This is unacceptable. Looks like we're gonna need that vaccine yesterday.
@Ethan-jr3xu
4 жыл бұрын
Incredibly reductive. They have rigorous screening from travelers, rigorous contact tracing protocols, and blasted out testing widely and as quickly as possible. South Korean government overall made the correct moves here
@caseypdx503
4 жыл бұрын
I would guess you would say yes to this since it doesn't come through here, but do you reject Sargon's claim that SK had these authoritarian measures to deal with covid?
@mrgaudy1954
4 жыл бұрын
The EU needs us as much as we need the EU” - this Brexiteer delusion never ceases to bemuse me.
@xIBEASTYFUNK
4 жыл бұрын
Well the language of the EU is ENGLISH
@eXo66
3 жыл бұрын
@@xIBEASTYFUNK The EU has 24 official languages. And yes English is the most commonly understood language in the European Union, but that is not really because of the UK but more because of the soft power of the United States. And it was like this before Britain joined and it will be the same after Britain left. Has nothing to do with the UK.
@Captain0Newman
4 жыл бұрын
Funny how the skeptics rejected god but turned trump into their god-king. Such a strange twist
@stopaskingforrealnames3853
4 жыл бұрын
That's not really how it works.
@Captain0Newman
4 жыл бұрын
StopAsking ForRealNames Worship is worship. Seems like they bend over backwards to defend trump, which doesn’t seem very skeptical to me
@Drdarktouch2
4 жыл бұрын
Sargon and destiny: talk about shit in a calm manner Comment section: BLOOD BRING US BLOOD NOT WORDS. you guys need to chill the fuck out.
@TheMimickid
4 жыл бұрын
Destiny is really taking this breakup badly
@mulmento
4 жыл бұрын
Lmfao Sargon literally was like "covid isnt a big deal look at the data," Destiny did, then Sargon goes "Well you can't trust the data" Holy fuck
@drummingtildeath
3 жыл бұрын
Keeps happening when I talk to people about Covid. They'll misunderstand the data they're reading, then when it doesn't say what they thought it said they'll claim it's corrupt data.
@Worr
4 жыл бұрын
25:27 What unit does the UK use for angles? I'm curious about this "100 degree reversal".
@pedro15305
4 жыл бұрын
Even the conservative conversations are getting boring with this whole "the left is mean" arc
@SNAKE-fk9zw
4 жыл бұрын
Destiny is now on the AHS watchlist with this debate.
@XisoLate
4 жыл бұрын
Sargon: 'It may be a democracy, but South Korea can take rights away on a whim.' . .. ... Me: _looks at our southern border menacingly_
@Localpref416
4 жыл бұрын
I might be dumb but I don’t understand what you are trying to say.
@XisoLate
4 жыл бұрын
@@Localpref416 it doesn't matter what country's government you reside under. Rights can go away in a second for little to no justification. Sargon said what he said like SK is some authoritarian idealogical government like Russia (also democratic) in which Putin or whoever can act however they want. Sargon neglects to think and just feels something is the way it is as an objective reasoning when it's genereally the opposite.
@Localpref416
4 жыл бұрын
Reticulus Really? Maybe you can make that argument on an individual level, IE police brutality, or false imprisonment. But when the lockdowns started a lot of people were protesting and what not. And same with the recent BLM riots. How often do things of that scale happen in South Korea? Or are you just saying rights are a zero sum game because you could lose them in an instant. Unless you have a purely Anarcho-x society. But that’d be a pretty pessimistic.
@GG-fi4ye
4 жыл бұрын
Illegal immigrants have less rights than citizens in any country. You are not entitled to enter a country and ecpect welcome with open arms.
@XisoLate
4 жыл бұрын
@@GG-fi4ye 3 words: japanese concentration camps
@Baratheon.
4 жыл бұрын
bro this is a Jaime Lannister redemption arc type conversation
@DRev89
4 жыл бұрын
Hilarious to hear Sargon criticize the left for not reading.
@LazyTitan92
4 жыл бұрын
Sargon is so fucking wrong in the UK's COVID-19 data. He keeps bringing up this interview with Dominic Raab as the smoking gun which it really isn't.
@LaptopmenaceMTK
4 жыл бұрын
I can't wait to watch this after the ufc main card
@croisaor2308
4 жыл бұрын
Fucking hell Izzy made that look easy
@dinobot7025
4 жыл бұрын
Costa got destroyed, looked like a deer in the headlights the entire fight.
@LaptopmenaceMTK
4 жыл бұрын
Izzy pieced him up
@bobwilliams4895
4 жыл бұрын
As soon as I saw Costa playing izzy's game I figured it was over.
@MorbidSlinky
4 жыл бұрын
Sargon: “More people are dying from the flu than covid.” Destiny “How many die from the flu?” Sargon “Woops, I don’t know let me look that up!” He should of just stuck to bullying creationist cause he really can’t reach any higher than low hanging fruit. How I ever thought this guy was the pinnacle of rational thought on KZitem a decade ago is beyond me.
@MrShitcakes69
4 жыл бұрын
decade ago? i dont think we're that far removed from the anti sjw era yet lmao
@MorbidSlinky
4 жыл бұрын
David Barnes It was back when I was personally going through my own edgy atheist teen phase. Characters like him, Darkmatter64, Thunderfoot, The Amazing Atheist were predominate personalities of the skeptic community that spent most their time pointing out the blatantly obvious fallacies and historic inaccuracies regarding creationist myths. He wasn’t super popular then but he had a following. Dropped him like a rock though when he started peddling conspiracies about Muslims trying to take over America.
@josephk1342
4 жыл бұрын
@@MorbidSlinky That was about 6 years ago
@MorbidSlinky
4 жыл бұрын
lifesentence Ended it a little after I stoped watching his videos and I went on to gather a greater appreciation for the diversity of sects, denomination, and the varying levels of conviction followers maintain. Still an agnostic atheist but I’ve learned to stop rolling my eyes when someone says, “Bless you.”
@MorbidSlinky
4 жыл бұрын
Joseph K Was it? Could’ve sworn it I was a freshman in high school then. At the very least it had to of been 8 years if I’m remembering correctly.
@sjewitt22
4 жыл бұрын
Fair play to Destiny, he can see right through SoA trying to getting him to pronounce his narrative.
@itsMalma
4 жыл бұрын
When you actually get to have a back and forth, those are my fave talks. Funny to see who you end up being able to have these actual talks with :) heartwarming even.
@cerberouse1
3 жыл бұрын
17:50 Actually yes he did Destiny we literally have the records of him and his staff moving sick into these elderly homes; the only way you'd say it was fake is if you were speaking in bad faith...
@Skibbityboo0580
3 жыл бұрын
Did he do it to kill people though?
@MrSquaky
4 жыл бұрын
I knew Sargon has gotten more right wing since last time Destiny spoke to him, but sheesh... he's just a conservative talking head now. Sargon mind as welll go on Prager U with all of his Dishonesty.
@majdjinn5042
4 жыл бұрын
He really hasn't.
@shaneyawlover
4 жыл бұрын
Has he not basically always been that?
@Scardor
4 жыл бұрын
Mind as well 🤣
@bganonimouse2754
4 жыл бұрын
@@majdjinn5042 Didn't he do a political compass test since speaking to Destiny - it showed that he has moved further to the right. In fact every test he's taken so far shows he keeps moving to the right.
@majdjinn5042
4 жыл бұрын
@@bganonimouse2754 If that's true then I'll retract (not literally but with this comment) my statement ...unless they mean he's right wing already and becoming more so.
@bunkerbill
3 жыл бұрын
Destiny is a complete clown.
@Dafydd4
4 жыл бұрын
Gosh VDS is dangerous.
@Dafydd4
4 жыл бұрын
@Blue Crusader :D
@shadysides9094
4 жыл бұрын
what is VDS?
@Dafydd4
4 жыл бұрын
@Blue Crusader :O How would you do that?
@Dafydd4
4 жыл бұрын
@@shadysides9094 Hmm I dunno if I should tell a CIA agent this...but it's "Vaush Derangement Syndrome." Similar to the ADD, After Debating Destiny, symptom "Destiny Support Group" it's quite crippling and no cure is in sight.
@shadysides9094
4 жыл бұрын
WidePeepoHappy the agency thanks you for your cooperation.
@buncha3arrows195
4 жыл бұрын
Didn't Sargon ("Robin Hood") retweet Fuentes' fearmongering about "the Great Replacement" myth?
@SeruraRenge11
4 жыл бұрын
You don't need his sock puppet for evidence, he said it himself drive.google.com/file/d/1jogiahypfU7KqEZs04pdsQsFFWOXuPsl/view
@benkylo8015
4 жыл бұрын
Sargon is full of shit when it comes to the NHS. If it wasn't for the NHS I'd probably be dead twice over and hundreds of thousands of pounds in debt. The US system is horrific to even contemplate.
@RandomAussieGuy87
4 жыл бұрын
Sargon is wrong about Australia and immigration: % UK population born overseas: 14%, Australia 29.7%.
@greyhound4204
4 жыл бұрын
Sargon is wrong on about everything he said
@awesomegamer9981
4 жыл бұрын
Does destiny think the industrial revolution and its consequences has been a disaster for the human race???
@zack-ronald259
4 жыл бұрын
time stamp
@henhousecannibalstudios310
4 жыл бұрын
Destiny was right , these conversations are boring, what is the point in talking to a potted plant about what it believes is wrong with rioting. The only question I’m curious about is whether a world where Sargons thoughts are relevant is worth defending anymore.
@bradders9743
3 жыл бұрын
Destiny is wrong about the EU army. Even just a quick wiki search lists plenty of sources that show keen interest from numerous member states and important figures in the EU. They're not quite there yet, but what was unthinkable a decade or two ago is a very real option now. I think Destiny may have fell for some bad sources or something, because he seemed completely certain that there was no such thing while in reality it is discussed all the time and interest in an EU military is far greater than it once was.
@freedomextremist7215
10 ай бұрын
35:00 There is something strange going on. How can the US have 3x more covid cases but 30x more deaths from covid when compared to South Korea? This has probably more to do with pre-existing health issues.
@pkmncq
4 жыл бұрын
Damn the day has come when destiny can speak more amicably with Sargon than vaush. How things have changed
@1untamedbrain
4 жыл бұрын
Sargon's wrong, but he seems to be a nice enough guy.
@nicholasr5146
4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I’m pretty politically right leaning and I’ve had to agree with destiny on a few points. Sargon just had hard counter-points against him and didn’t know what to really say so he was trying to worm out a reasoning. As a whole, walking away from this video, I’ve changed my point of view about the COVID-19 handling. It was ok, but still left much to be desired.
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