UNITY OF YAHWEH VERSUS THE TRINITY Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: 5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. Deuteronomy 6:4 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Isaiah 44:6 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. Isaiah 42:8 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. John 17:5 1 Chronicles 17:13-16 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. 14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men: 15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee. 16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever. GENTILES IN THE LAST DAYS O Lord, my strength and my fortress, My refuge in the day of affliction, The Gentiles shall come to You From the ends of the earth and say, "Surely our fathers have inherited lies, Worthlessness and unprofitable things." Jeremiah 16:19 "Thus says the Lord of hosts: 'In those days ten men from every language of the nations shall grasp the sleeve of a Jewish man, saying, "Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you." Zechariah 8:23 Ask yourself this question: “is it reasonable to use New Testament writings that clearly contradicts Hebrew Scripture and deduce that the New Testament is true?” For the most part, the writers of the New Test ament are UNKNOWN. There is no verifiable authorship; that is why the Church Fathers added “according to Matthew, according to Mark according to Luke and according to John.” You assume that no one could see God because the New Testament says so. It is WRONG. The Tanakh clearly contradicts that. In Genesis 18, Yahweh ate a meal with Abraham. In Exodus 33, Moses saw the backside of God but not his face. Jacob declared that he saw God face to face. “And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” Genesis 32:30. Furthermore Moses told Israel to bury their faeces so that when Yahweh walked through the camp at night, he would not see it. “12 Thou shalt have a place also without the camp, whither thou shalt go forth abroad: 13 And thou shalt have a paddle upon thy weapon; and it shall be, when thou wilt ease thyself abroad, thou shalt dig therewith, and shalt turn back and cover that which cometh from thee: 14 For the Lord thy God walketh in the midst of thy camp, to deliver thee, and to give up thine enemies before thee; therefore shall thy camp be holy: that he see no unclean [1] thing in thee, and turn away from thee.” Deuteronomy 23:12-14 Throughout the Tanakh, there is no concept of God being a spirit. That is a New Testament invention that occurred with Jesus with the Samaritan woman at the Sychar well. “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.” John 4:24. Again, this contradicts the Tanakh. You are using New Testament writings that that contradict the Hebrew Scripture and claiming that these writings are scripture. Really? Why complain about the Book of Mormon or the Quran that contract the New Testament? How much clearer can Yahweh make that he is the only God? “I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:” Isaiah 45:5 “8 Remember this, and shew yourselves men: bring it again to mind, O ye transgressors. 9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,” Isaiah 46:9-10 “6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.” Isaiah 44:6 Even in John, Jesus states that YAHWEH is the ONLY TRUE GOD.
@euston2216
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*True or False:* There is only one Saviour, and JESUS is that one and only Saviour. If the answer is True (which it is), then the "First Person of the Trinity" is *not* the Saviour, and the "Third Person of the Trinity" is *not* the Saviour. But the "First Person of the Trinity" and the "Third Person of the Trinity" - along with the "Second Person of the Trinity" - are fictional characters, so of course "they" cannot save anyone. There is only one Saviour - the _unipersonal_ GOD - who "came down from heaven" _without leaving heaven,_ and who manifested himself on earth in genuine human form, as _his own_ Son, so that he could lay down his own life for us. And the name of this _unipersonal_ GOD is revealed to be the name which is above _every_ name: *JESUS.*
@jaredg5663
8 ай бұрын
So why did God say in Genesis 1:26 "Let us make man in our image"?. Who was he communicating with? (Genesis is the first book of the Bible)
@euston2216
8 ай бұрын
@@jaredg5663 In the very next verse, we see that _"God created man in _*_his_*_ own image, in the image of God created _*_he_*_ him; male and female created _*_he_*_ them."_ So according to Genesis 1:27, God created man *by himself,* which means he was communicating *_with_** himself* in Genesis 1:26. God _"[works] all things after the _*_counsel_*_ of his own will"_ (Eph.1:11). So God - who, like us, is perfectly capable of communicating with himself - is both: (1) his own *counselor,* and (2) his own *counselee.* Two ("us/our", Gen 1:26) who are one ("his/he", Gen.1:27).
@jaredg5663
8 ай бұрын
@@euston2216 intresting take. So do you believe the "us" language is a Plural of Majesty?
@euston2216
8 ай бұрын
@@jaredg5663 I don't have an opinion on the plural of majesty. I simply believe God communicates with *himself* [singular personal pronoun], and if *he* [singular personal pronoun] occasionally applies a _plural_ personal pronoun to *himself* [singular personal pronoun], that obviously wouldn't change the fact that *he* [singular personal pronoun] is a singular person. I have no problem with "us/our" in Genesis 1:26. It would've been odd if God had said, "Let me make man in my image...".
@jaredg5663
8 ай бұрын
@@euston2216 @euston2216 I see. But still it's strange because in Genesis 11:7 the Lord says "let us go down" to confound their language. This is in response of course to verses 3 and 4 where they say "let us make", "let us build". It's the same Hebrew construction for the Lord and for the men, but we wouldn't say it was only one man speaking and working. So I have a difficulty seeing the difference in 1:26 as well. But really hitting on the original question you put forth about Jesus as the only Saviour. Actually Scripture affirms the Father, Son and Holy Ghost as having part in our salvation. I could provide those refrences later if you want, but if I could focus on Genesis 3:8 for a moment. After they sinned it says, "and they heard the voice of the Lord God walking". Strange right? So the voice which ancient Jews spoke of as the "Memra" is not just an utterance but also an entity. The word is being spoken of as an actual agent. Furthermore, Isaiah the prophet uses similar language in Isa. 55:11. The word of the Lord goes forth, and doesn't return until it acomplishes its purpose. So it is inadequate to say the Word is only a personification. Jesus who is said to be the Word (John 1:1) took on flesh (1:14). So what we are, he took to himself completely while remaining who he has always been (not creating a third new nature or simply God in an outer human body). The Father purposed our salvation by sending his only begotten Son. The Son accomplishes our salvation by his blood, and the Holy Ghost applies that salvation to us by convicting of sin, new birth, regeneration. So for man the only way to the Father is through the Son, because he took on our nature and therefore can be the only mediator between God and man (having both natures). But to say the Father is only a fictional character or The Son is speaking to himself like in Genesis, I can't agree with friend.
@claudiozanella256
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No trinity exists, the trinity is just a CONVENTIONAL (i.e. false) doctrine issued by two CONVENTIONS of the fourth century. It's directly debunked by Jesus, who is the directly concerned Witness-Person. Contrary to the doctrine He reiterates dozens of times to be ONLY WITH THE FATHER, not with TWO Persons! One person too many: due to a misunderstanding of the gospels, a non-existing third divine person has been INVENTED by the bishops of the Conventions. Jesus tells you that ONLY THE FATHER IS INSIDE HIM But that FATHER IS A SPIRIT (no doubt, see Jn. 4:23,24). Thus ONLY ONE SPIRIT WHO IS THE FATHER is inside Jesus. Contrary to the trinity doctrine, "Holy Spirit" and "Father (who is a spirit)" are not TWO Spirits inside Jesus. They are just two EQUIVALENT NAMES for the same Spirit. Simply the Father is also called "Holy Spirit" by Jesus. He is the SAME ONE Spirit that before led Jesus into the desert and later also helped Him when speaking. In a sermon Jesus talks about the TWO blasphemies against Himself and against the Father (i.e. the Holy Spirit), no third blasphemy exists because no third person exists.
@user-ri6tc2gi5k
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Don’t try to teach what you don’t understand.
@ScepticalObserver
9 ай бұрын
@@user-ri6tc2gi5k Please be polite, yes, I agree that you are correct, but you do not add encouragement or inspiration. People cannot even describe or explain their own self-consciousness, thus their pronouncements on anything higher are usually pathetic. So if you understand the subject, help others, rather then just kicking them in the head. I know it is beyond me so I cannot help. Please list good books, etc., so that we can learn. Best regards.
@LaMOi1
8 ай бұрын
Nonsense. Baptise in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
@claudiozanella256
8 ай бұрын
@@LaMOi1 Unfortunately the verse quoted by you Mt 28:18 has been forged by the catholic church in an attempt to give the trinity a biblical basis, because the trinity is NOWHERE suggested in the scriptures. The correct wording is: "With one word and voice He said to His disciples: "Go, and make disciples of all the nations IN MY NAME," See Eusebius of Caesarea (p.152 THE PROOF OF THE GOSPEL Bk. III, verse 132). Peter accordingly baptized in the name of Jesus “Repent and be BAPTIZED every one of you in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST for the forgiveness of your sins.". Why insist on defending a theory when it is ABSOLUTELY SURE that such a theory is false? You can produce various arguments in support of that theory, but you have a MAJOR WITNESS that removes ALL DOUBT as to what the TRUTH is! If a triune God existed, Jesus would say over and over again "I am with the Father and the Holy Spirit" "I am with the Father and the Lord who gives life" "I am with the Father and the Comforter" "God is triune". But on the contrary that NEVER HAPPENS in four gospels. Jesus crystal clear says and reiterates that HE IS ONLY WITH THE FATHER "I am in the Father and the Father in me". I.e. God is made by Father and Son. PERIOD. So it is most certain that NO TRIUNE GOD EXISTS: Jesus' TESTIMONY PREVAILS over stray arguments and the matter is set for good !!!!!!!! The trinity theory is thus false, no THIRD divine person can exist. Since in His sermon on the two blasphemies (Mt. 12:32) Jesus stresses the importance of the Holy Spirit, this automatically means that the Holy Spirit is a DIVINE PERSON, or rather, a DIVINE SPIRIT. However, from what above you know that it's impossible the Holy Spirit be a THIRD divine spirit, He cannot be the Spirit of a THIRD Person. Indeed the Holy Spirit (aka Spirit of God) is the Spirit of.....God (almighty). He is the Spirit of the FIRST Person.
@LaMOi1
8 ай бұрын
@@claudiozanella256 No… firstly, I’m not catholic. Secondly, it’s an important point, that Jesus commands his disciples to baptise in the name of the Father and of the son and the Holy Spirit. Firstly, you have to ask what is the significance of using all three names there..? And also the significance noted further on in acts were the disciples baptised in the name of Jesus only. This can be explained, because in Jesus dwells all the fullness of the godhead. Also, it’s worth pointing out that when Jesus talks about his relationship with the father, absolutely, he talks of them being one and their unity. Trinitarian are often confused with Tritheists. We don’t believe in three gods. Also, when Seraphim, praise God in Isaiah six, “holy holy holy is the Lord God Almighty” Why are the three? In Hebrew emphasis is twice. It’s not three. Is there an echo in heaven? But you know what, I wouldn’t waste too much time brother on debating people on KZitem comment section. Triune God, I feel is clearly seen in scripture. I’m not a modalist like you. Or a Binitarian? But the reality is, is that you’re not sure of your position. I get that. But you’re not gonna find what you’re looking for by going to war in the comment section. Nobody writes the kind of long replies you write, they almost look copy and pasted from previous debates… and you’ve clearly sought this video out about the Trinity, being fully convinced it’s a false doctrine and then you write your lengthy comments. Why? On the surface that just seems like a waste of time. You’re obviously not gonna convince the whole world to your held beliefs. No. This seems to me like a man desperately battling their own doubts No one strives to convince others, and take such efforts unless they’re really battling themselves. I do hope you will find peace, in the truth, the only truth.
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