“If you can’t write well, you can’t think well. If you can’t think well, then other people will do your thinking for you.” -George Orwell
@OLR1337
4 жыл бұрын
a fascist writing the basis of much of our anti-fascist ideology
@rodneykent8023
4 жыл бұрын
You don't have to be highly educated to know bullshit when you see it. Some intellectuals are very obtuse in certain ways.
@dr.2335
4 жыл бұрын
Owen Ryan a socialist that fell away from his ideologies in later life. He wrote about totalitarianism and warned against it in any form. Read further, think better.
@anab0lic
4 жыл бұрын
very true, you can tell a lot about a person by the way they write, its a glimpse into the inner workings of their mind... and the strength or lack there of their mental faculties.
@dr.2335
4 жыл бұрын
anab0lic glimpse*, thereof of*, mental*.
@ghates
4 жыл бұрын
Damn you Hitch, why did you have to die on us when we need you so much
@ghates
4 жыл бұрын
@@Melville1800s Haha! Blubbering..If you ever listened to Hitchens, which iam guessing you do because you commented on his video, you would know that that is exactly what he teaches " It's not what you think, it's how you think" so your point is garbage, especially the troll ass way you said it..
@NFawc
4 жыл бұрын
If that were the thinking, he'd probably have to stay alive for eternity ;)
@NFawc
4 жыл бұрын
@Marlon Quintana-Nieto The comment was a tribute to the man, not a literal statement. Sheesh...
@ToraTiger26
4 жыл бұрын
God took him
@NFawc
4 жыл бұрын
@@ToraTiger26 I think he'd wish you didn't say that - kzitem.info/news/bejne/y59_p2VucYOffKA
@tsunchoo
3 жыл бұрын
"Anyone can have thoughts.. many people content themselves with feelings"
@johnrobinson4445
3 жыл бұрын
Hence the popularity of 'fake outrage' on the part of conservatives.
@jjammmees
2 жыл бұрын
I don't think so.
@njits789
3 жыл бұрын
"Beware of making the best the enemy of the good." Wonderful.
@mja91352
3 жыл бұрын
and not even close to being original with Hitchens
@Chardonbois
Жыл бұрын
Originally a Napoleon quote I believe.
@kstar1489
Жыл бұрын
@@mja91352duh? Hitched himself said that. And the comment didn’t claim that originated with him.
@wyskass861
7 ай бұрын
@@mja91352 You bring up another example of bad faith argument. Thanks for arguing against something else you yourself set up in order to demean the first thing by association. Great irony and your lack thereof, you demonstrate oh clever one.
@RedStarBelgradefan
9 жыл бұрын
I disagree with Hitchens here, reparations for slavery is taking money from people who didn't own slaves and then giving that money to people who werent slaves.
@SheafferGordon
9 жыл бұрын
There is a likely chance that the people sacrificing the money had ancestors who wore blue during the Civil War.
@TrippyKenpachi
9 жыл бұрын
Slavery and its effects are far-reaching and still visible today... And the country still benefits from it.
@TheRakk24
9 жыл бұрын
Rachel C Please elaborate. How exactly do I benefit from black slavery?
@Warpig9
9 жыл бұрын
David Wright Ordinary white folk do not benefit at all from the past effects of slavery dear. Quite the opposite actually.
@Warpig9
9 жыл бұрын
mbbroker79 Haha you've got to be joking right? You want to hold out your hand now and demand reparations from the American people who are of different backgrounds and had Nothing to do with slavery 100 years ago?
@staytuned9320
5 жыл бұрын
Being a "Black American ", I've always had respect for Hitchens and his views but now he gets nothing but my respect. May he never be forgotten!
@CFox.7
4 жыл бұрын
@Factual Fox ..nothing else.. lol
@josephgadaleto3211
4 жыл бұрын
um.. your a racist....jews were enslaved in history many many times...where is your voice for thier reparations...oh wait... i forgot, you already stated your black and only care about blacks....
@sunnydlite-t8b
4 жыл бұрын
So because you agree with him, NOW, he is totally worthy of YOUR respect.
@morleyhausbloodlines6791
4 жыл бұрын
What the fuck does being a black American have to do with it
@MarkyMark1221
4 жыл бұрын
MorleyHaus Bloodlines being biased I’m black as well
@padzzz9377
4 жыл бұрын
You can't force people to change their opinion, but you can educate yourself and present what you learned in a manner that is acceptable to anyone willing to listen without compromising your own principals and beliefs. I'm so grateful to have lived and learned from one of the best teachers this world had to offer.
@SoLaRe60
8 ай бұрын
@padzzz9377, You meant principles, not principals. Principals are headmasters of schools.
@dirtyhobo4252
5 жыл бұрын
Christopher, we need you now more than ever.
@Sinclair80
4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely.
@scan865
4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely someone needs to put HRC in her place
@DouglasGross6022
4 жыл бұрын
@@scan865 Hitch certainly would have done that effectively and with style.
@__Stitchy
4 жыл бұрын
@@scan865 maybe 3 years ago, when she was still relevant... Why her? Why not your orange angerpresident?
@scan865
4 жыл бұрын
@@__Stitchy still a rotten bag, not my president lad, not american. I'm from a country with worse politicians than anywhere!
@MrCocksuckme
5 жыл бұрын
"Contenting yourself with feelings"
@leegoodwin9312
4 жыл бұрын
I may not always agree with this legend, but i always listen
@sebastianbernardo9900
3 жыл бұрын
ok
@bens5859
3 жыл бұрын
@@sebastianbernardo9900 your comment reminds me of a quote about non-sequiturs...wish I could recall the source
@stephdegoede8316
5 жыл бұрын
"... to the principles of free inquiry and open debate, that goes up to make a great university..." For his sake I am glad he is not still around to witness the disaster that we are experiencing now.
@beavwarius
5 жыл бұрын
I would love to see him eviscerate the people in power today. None could withstand his sharp wit and scathing remarks regarding their corruption.
@jehjeh37111
5 жыл бұрын
Not do sure about that. He absolutely hated the Clintons.
@MajorVanBloodnok
5 жыл бұрын
@@jehjeh37111 Which is precisely why he'd be so effective today. As odious as Trump clearly is, the bigger problem is in the Liberal establishment, over which the Clintons wield so much power. They're the ones directing the identity politics community towards utterly destroying discourse in the Left.
@hughtubecube
5 жыл бұрын
He himself was a political agitator in his years at Oxford. A Marxist no less. I suspect, though we will never know, and I humbly admit my conclusion is speculative (something I note incidentally that you haven’t done), you might have been disappointed with his views on the current campus activism. What irks me most about internet commentators is how righteously they claim to know the thoughts of the dead. We see this everywhere: F1 fans claim to know what Senna would have thought of the current grid, film fans claim to know what Walt Disney would have thought of his company’s current output, and here we see Hitchens fans simply assuming he would have agreed with them no matter what. It’s wrong-headed, and demonstrates the same unthinking fatuousness he is on record as having opposed through his life.
@MajorVanBloodnok
5 жыл бұрын
@@hughtubecube You appear very much to assume most Hitchens fans are from the right - attacking so called 'Marxist' agitators on the left. For all Hitchens' contradictions over Iraq and The War Against Terror, he did so from the Trotskyist tradition of opposing the Stalinism of Saddam and a Marxist rejection of Theocratic Islamism. That this lead him into the cul-de-sac of supporting US imperialism is the great shame that he could never admit to. His Neocon admirers tried to own him but he stated many times he'd never been any kind of Conservative, he supported the US as the only successful revolution still standing. It's not enough to simply say Hitchens would have opposed identity politics activism due to his disgust at the Clintons or anything so fatuous. I strongly suspect he would have recognised the religious fervour in SJW puritanism leading to public denunciations without evidence and so on. The fetishization of identity is something Marx would have said allows the bourgeoise to divide and rule. It's built purely upon a perceived level of oppression in contrast to level of privilege - disabled/muslim/black/lesbian vs straight/white/male. Such a politics takes all the struggles and injustices people face, the energy that might be used to fight for a better world, and channels that all away from defeating class structures towards correcting 'privilege'. At this point it's worth noting that your class is abstract which means it can be challenged and dismantled, whereas privilege is inherent to you if you're a straight white male - whether you like it or not. And in this video, Hitchens identifies injustices that can be set right, especially as they continue to hold sway over the globe - while being very clear he opposed the fundamentalist mindset of repaying all debts throughout history - to empty the museums as it were. As he would have put it - it's crucial to understand how to think, not what to think. Hitchens would most likely have eviscerated the Orwellian nightmare of SJW activism and the Kafkaesque campaigns of MeToo/TimesUp. But equally if he were still around I'm sure the lightweights such as Jordan Peterson would not have come to prominence. Peterson wouldn't stand a chance against Hitchens, something he got a taste of while being effortlessly taken apart by Slavoj Zizek recently..
@tcpip9999
Жыл бұрын
Superb, fluent, compelling
@st3ppenwolf
4 жыл бұрын
It escapes words to explain how this man is sorely missed.
@jugheadsrule
4 жыл бұрын
Let me help you. His advocacy of the Iraq war is not missed by millions of Iraqis. His serial plagiarism is not missed by numerous authors. There I did it for you!
@OmniphonProductions
3 жыл бұрын
@@jugheadsrule But is his advocacy of the Iraq war missed LESS than Saddam Hussein himself...or the 3/4 MILLION Iraqi's in whose death or "disappearance" Saddam was directly implicated? By the way, out of curiosity, are YOU an Iraqi, or simply an anti-war activist who presumes to speak on their behalf? As for serial plagiarism, I'd be more than happy to examine any evidence you'd care to present. Either way...See Also: Ad Hominem.
@jugheadsrule
3 жыл бұрын
@@OmniphonProductions It can't be ad hominem if it's true can it, you supercilious clown. Saddam was a lame duck by 2003. NFZs had wiped out most of his airforce and air defences so he wasn't a threat to anyone. In any case, the justification for the invasion was that he was connected with 9/11 and that he had WMD. Both provably false. And the result of that invasion? 1million plus dead, the birth of ISIS and the destabilisation of the whole region. As for his serial plagiarism, it's well documented, get off your arse and research it yourself. Here's a starter, and his most well known plagiarism, his book on Thomas Paine had copious amounts lifted from a book on Paine written by John Keene, who has personally acknowledged my publicizing Hitchens copying of his work.
@OmniphonProductions
3 жыл бұрын
@@jugheadsrule WOW! Defending an ad hominem with another ad hominem. Impressive. In RETROSPECT, you're right that Saddam was not a threat to anyone by 2003. However, his refusal to allow UN weapons inspectors to actually do their jobs...as well as no small amount of sabre rattling and his consistent violation of no fewer than 14 conditions of the Desert Storm Cease Fire Treaty...indicated otherwise AT THE TIME. For that matter, American, British, and French Intelligence agencies all concluded that he DID likely have WMD. I have no choice but to agree that this proved false, but we didn't know that BEFORE going in. Moreover, while Saddam had nothing to do with 9-11, that event began a Global War On Terror, and...considering the 3/4 million Iraqis in whose deaths Saddam was directly implicated (complete with mass graves discovered only AFTER the Iraq invasion), his military strikes on Iraqi Kurds in the north, and the billions of U.N. Oil For Food dollars that were diverted to...among other things...building palaces FOR Saddam, the man was (by any objective metric) a terrorist, AND the world is a better place without him. As for the total body count, if groups like Al Qaeda and the Taliban hadn't IMPORTED combatants INTO Iraq (from Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Iran...for starters), it would have been over far sooner with far fewer casualties. That said, the biggest failure of the U.S. in that respect is that nobody ANTICIPATED such importation of enemy combatants DESPITE the events of 9-1-1, and nobody ANTICIPATED the rise of ISIS (or any other terrorist group) to fill the power vacuum left by Saddam's removal. In that respect, you and I actually agree that it was tragically ill-planned, ill-conceived, and not _immediately_ necessary. HOWEVER, as mentioned earlier, we didn't know that BEFOREHAND. As for the plagiarism, thank you for actually providing somewhere to look. Far too many people online would leave it with the rude and unproductive, "Get off your arse and research it yourself." The person MAKING the claim is responsible for providing EVIDENCE. It's not the job of the person HEARING the claim to research whether its true, and in the ABSENCE of such provided evidence, the rational position is NOT to believe the claim. In this case, you have, at least, given me something. Actual links would be better, but anything is better than nothing. With that in mind, what did Keene specifically say about your efforts? ("...personally acknowledged," doesn't tell me much.) P.S. You still haven't answered whether you're Iraqi or not. Call me a racist, but your deep knowledge of Thomas Paine literature leads me to believe you're not.
@poozer1986
Жыл бұрын
@@jugheadsrule while I agree with the Iraq pay of your comment (Hitchens himself regretted his backing) is love to see a citation for the second part of your comment
@malvolio01
8 жыл бұрын
Damn, I miss this guy. So few real thinkers left these days, and even fewer willing to speak up the way he did.
@apemanstreetwalker
8 жыл бұрын
+Sean L. oh man....it hurts....I do miss him.
@malvolio01
8 жыл бұрын
Jeff Thompson I can only imagine what he'd have to say about the left in its current state at the moment. And, I agree... one of the most intelligent, articulate and outspoken defenders of TRUE liberalism. Have you heard Douglas Murray? He's not Hitchens but he's not bad, either.
@augustinehourigan7453
8 жыл бұрын
+Sean L. How do you know that there are SO FEW "REAL" THINKERS left these days, there are 6.6 billion folk on this planet now!
@LD-qj2te
7 жыл бұрын
Sean L. Hitch was one of a kind ! His fluid logic and silky presentation was priceless
@KoreeMichael
6 жыл бұрын
Sean L. yeah. we need more people like this that aren't afraid to tell the truth to the public
@johndallara3257
4 жыл бұрын
Hitchens always makes a reasoned case, how he is missed.
@Davieboy-dovbear
4 жыл бұрын
STFU Dumbass!
@aneily
4 жыл бұрын
Wow. Somebody triggered someone with words
@sudo_nym
4 жыл бұрын
@@aneily Davieboy did a White Whine...
@johndallara3257
4 жыл бұрын
@@Davieboy-dovbear Judging by your well thought out reply you are probably an english teacher from California, tenured?
@Davieboy-dovbear
4 жыл бұрын
@@johndallara3257 - all the pro-Hitchens arguments (and Hitchen's himself), *not that you have made any!* .. are subjective and lack essence. What Hitchens is doing to you all (has been doing), is solely for the purpose of selling his books. Hitchens is a conman with a rich vocabulary that can manipulate the minds of people like you (the uneducated and the misinformed). I believe too, Christianity is a fake religion but is the easiest to debunk and that's why Hitchens attacks Christianity all the time, it makes him look good! But trust me when I tell you this, there's hardly any difference between the du mb christians who give money to the Church, and you bu ms who give money to Hitchens (or show support for him) .. this is what I meant when I said _"S T F U,"_ I just wanted to save space & time and being that you all Hitchens fan[atic]s are so _”smart”_ (LOL), I was expecting you gonna understand.
@andrewmcdonald1812
4 жыл бұрын
What this man would say about the world now
@arthurrimbaud7287
4 жыл бұрын
He’d still be saying that the Iraq war was a great idea.
@user-vx1wq4nx5y
4 жыл бұрын
Arthur Rimbaud 😭
@Oners82
4 жыл бұрын
Probably that we should invade Iraq again and kill a few more hundreds of thousands of innocent people...
@Oners82
4 жыл бұрын
@@smokingcrab2290 Always one delusional theist troll, lol.
@SuperUnknown1967
3 жыл бұрын
@@arthurrimbaud7287 pay attention dummy, he changed his mind on that. Quite a few clips of him saying so.
@coreyc1685
7 жыл бұрын
Even when I disagreed with him I couldn't help but be impressed by the strength and articulation of his arguments.
@neodore2657
5 жыл бұрын
Seems like common sense what are you disagreeing with?
@ischar23
5 жыл бұрын
Corey C disagree??? How?????
@Gotenks7Kid
5 жыл бұрын
Ischar Holloway-are you guilty for the sins of the father, and is anyone alive in the US today that was ever actually a slave?
@ischar23
5 жыл бұрын
James Brewer that’s not the point!!!!!!!!!! There has been WRONG done to a people of the ABSOLUTE worst kind and continues today. No there fathers aren’t alive but they’re decedents who are DIRECTLY affected by the actions of MANY countries and should be made whole. I mean this isn’t even a hard one. Did you watch the video???!!!! “Was there a rape a theft a wrong done?, can and should it be made whole?” Simple!!!!!!!!! Wtf dude
@jeffsim4191
5 жыл бұрын
@@ischar23 Western society is built on the idea of the individual. As soon as you start punishing individuals based on what group you think they belong to every thing would collapse. Do you go to jail if your father steals a car? If you did, damn near everyone would be in prison. The whole innocent until proven guilty idea is out the window also. Plus, in this scenario, it is actually impossible even if you attempted to do it. I'm second generation here, my ancestors were surfs in Europe. Most slaves from West Africa were originally captured and sold by other African's. I'm white, no slaves owned by my family. Many Black people's ancestors were slave traders. Gonna try to figure out everyone's family history to see if they were the guilty or the victims?!? Or just say they are guilty or victims based on skin tone?
@nonamenomoreno4211
5 жыл бұрын
I miss this guys takes on things, and his subtle humor!
@user-tz5uq2bt1s
4 жыл бұрын
I put it to you, ghost of Hitchens, that whosoever has owned a slave owes both reparations and liberty to that slave.
@matthewbittenbender9191
5 жыл бұрын
It sad to have lost such a clear, sober mind and courageous spirit when we need him he most. I could listen to him talk all day.
@trojan4978
5 жыл бұрын
Sober...lol
@meanbeats
5 жыл бұрын
I wouldnt say sober
@poozer1986
Жыл бұрын
Definitely not sober
@matthewbittenbender9191
Жыл бұрын
@@poozer1986 hitch was more sober when drunk than most right-wing religious types.
@PoliticsReal
2 ай бұрын
Sober? The guy was an alcoholic relapsed Marxist.
@hughtorrance8819
5 жыл бұрын
One thing you must take away from this if nothing else is the difference in the college/university students who are listening quietly and possibly respectfully while Christopher speaks. What a difference in the habits of the students now. 14-15 years later and they now chant and protest and hurl abuse and disrupt speakers they don't want to listen to. All this in less than 15 years!
@lawsonj39
5 жыл бұрын
I don't know what students you're talking about; the ones I know are good listeners and careful thinkers.
@hughtorrance8819
5 жыл бұрын
@@lawsonj39 You should watch more videos and Ben Shapiro, Milo, Charlie Kirk, Candace Owens, Dinesh D'Souza, etc. etc., always seem to have hecklers/protesters in their speaking engagements. Except for one which was done just recently by Ben where I didn't hear a single shout which was really a surprise.
@hannibalthe1st565
5 жыл бұрын
@@hughtorrance8819 i think this is largely because he is taking a far left position right now. If he were taking a far right position there would be more resistance.
@hughtorrance8819
5 жыл бұрын
@@hannibalthe1st565 You could be right, I just think it's because the college/universities haven't started the far left sh*t they're doing now. A wonderful and horrifying example of this is a college professor who said the Steven Crowder was abusing him and this professor went off the deep end threatened Crowder via tweets and Crowder confronted him in the classroom where the professor got mightily embarrassed and ran away to the Dean's office for protection. The Dean of course, supported the professor despite all the evidence against him and in a follow up program Crowder was showing the tweets that the nut bag professor was sending to the college - very strange. This is what I mean about the time difference. Look what's happened at Berkeley in 2017 with the Antifa/student riot about Milo speaking - they went nuts and I just can't imagine the students in this video doing that.
@ZackTheGopher
5 жыл бұрын
They probably didn't disturb Hitchens because they were on his side, I would like to see the other fellow's reception.
@tomwolfe6063
8 жыл бұрын
Finally, Hitchens said something with which I disagree. Reparations is just about the worst idea I've ever heard.
@questioneverything2077
8 жыл бұрын
+nthnpark0 I was going disagree til your second comment. Why cant we give reperations in form of college education for blac americans??
@mcmarkmarkson7115
8 жыл бұрын
Not agreeing or disagreeing. Just curious for your reasoning.
@mcmarkmarkson7115
8 жыл бұрын
GodlessComedy What happened in the slave trade can never be repaid. "black criminals" well you do have to realize that some grow up in crime. Police would´t dare to cross their territories, school useless, parents useless. You have to give them a perspective or nothing will ever change. Can throw them in prison and pay for the rest of their lives in there. That´s simply less effective than making sure that they get a perspective. The war on drugs ruined a lot of lives. Some black people got into prison for very minor things. And once you are in there... War on drugs created a lot of misery. It also fucked up south america. USA basically did the best thing a criminal could ask for. Making drugs illegal and punished hard makes sure that drug cartels profit the most. And the US citizens paid for it. Did you know the CIA financed, armed and sold information to drug cartels? It´s not a tin hat foil story you can look it up for yourself. War on drugs is as effective as the war on alcohol was. Please read up on it, every interesting. Racism is what hurts your country the most without understanding the circumstances.
@mcmarkmarkson7115
8 жыл бұрын
GodlessComedy Also what about "white crime" the billions in financial fraud? And political corruption, legal tax evasion tactics created by white politicians?
@GodlessComedy
8 жыл бұрын
If it can't be repaid. Then conversation over. Now go tell the BLM movement that!
@DarrenH001
4 жыл бұрын
Such effortless panache. Also, don't know what more striking: How warm he looked or the fact that wasn't johnnie walker black label in his hand.
@Salamattder
4 жыл бұрын
3:40 he was drinking that white wine 🤣😎
@Buildings1772
4 жыл бұрын
seems pretty clear that alot of people down here in the comments didn't watch the video.
@carpballet
3 жыл бұрын
I watched the video. I’m still unaware of the method/system of reparations.
@paulroos1015
5 жыл бұрын
My Irish ancestors came to the u s in the 1840s. If, if. They had food stamps ,subsidised housing and interest free loans i would probably be very wealthy,
@HeathWatts
5 жыл бұрын
Probably not. Being on welfare is not as wonderful as evil nut cases such as Ronald Reagan would like us to believe.
@HeathWatts
5 жыл бұрын
@Mikkel The Red. Ah, but did the Irish have to go through slavery, then share cropping, then Jim Crow, all at gun point and threat of lynching, my racist little friend? I'm just kidding, I would never be your friend. I hope no one else is either, because you're a terrible person.
@MarcoPolo-lb8up
5 жыл бұрын
No, none of those things can make you smart, they are designed to just keep you alive.
@3rduncle
5 жыл бұрын
@Erik Mikkelsaar because, as white people, they would have been permitted to do so. To buy property wherever they could afford and participate in business. They were permitted to build an economic base. To be properly educated. They werent just "freed" in rags and told to pull up their bootstraps. But you already knew that. You just chose to ignore it.
@cnault3244
5 жыл бұрын
Reparations for slavery are a good idea. Anyone who was owned as a slave should be paid reparations from the person who owned them.
@fungiblenonsense
5 жыл бұрын
and, of course, reparations from the state that oversaw the transportation/importation of slaves, oversaw the slave markets, granted license for slave ownership, policed the slaves, hunted down those who escaped, etc. and, of course, to the slave and their estates. and, of course, from the state to those who suffered under the such state provisions that continued slavery via imprisonment. ... and Jim Crow laws, etc.
@cnault3244
5 жыл бұрын
@@fungiblenonsense Sure... paid to any individual who was owned as a slave.
@calebwochnick2147
5 жыл бұрын
England should also pay reparations to the United States for 1776 and 1812. While were at it, I'm part Polish, so Germany should give me stuff. There was an "original, traceable offense" and while the situation can't be fully repaired, let's not make "the best the enemy of the good." Give me what you can Germany.
@ViLeDeth
5 жыл бұрын
@@calebwochnick2147 Take another stab at reading the lines again. ;)
@FreakishPower
5 жыл бұрын
Agree. People read what his comment actually says.
@AN-cy7xm
3 жыл бұрын
Regardless of what you think of him, he's got a first rate mind and he's one of the great speakers & teachers...
@sunofsotep8265
4 жыл бұрын
I'm overwhelmed with admiration for this man. His tact, his poise, his candor and honesty. His incredible eloquence, and here his piercing cognizance of an important issue that is often mistreated by the ignorant and biased. I would commend his consistency, but I've less respect for consistency after reading Emmerson's Self Reliance. I've never before felt in my life that person was gone too soon. My eternal admiration and respect to you Hitch!
@sunofsotep8265
4 жыл бұрын
@ what???
4 жыл бұрын
@Miki sadly hitch just got awakened to the fact that life was eternal, that he was wrong about God and misled many, all is not over for him as he will know no rest that’s very sad 😔. Should one respect and admire a lost sinner who confused many and stood on the throne of life denying his creator, well no, one should empathise for one that is so lost and deceived and who sadly apart from a deathbed conversion perished in his sins and trespasses, hardly something to celebrate.
@sunofsotep8265
4 жыл бұрын
@ Ah! Now I see. Well then, much good may all of that do you sir. Good day.
@familyjermihov2503
4 жыл бұрын
robert marshall nah hitchens was right. Because of him I regained my senses regarding superstition and the harm that a bad metaphysic (such as a belief in the eternal under the guise of a mind) can do. Youre incontrovertibly incorrect about Hitchens and its a damn shame you dont have the senses to see otherwise. This is just backhanded nonsense. Keep your religion to yourself. It’s foolish as was as pretentious and senseless.
@lovely-shrubbery8578
4 жыл бұрын
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@JulianClosethewriter
6 жыл бұрын
Just listening to this man teaches you to think with integrity. I will miss him forever.
@oppressedcriticalthinker9619
5 жыл бұрын
All dishonest people learn the best way to manipulate people is to start off the premise with half truths ‘the British were military guarantors of slave passage. Rarely do these arguments mention the largest colonization of the Turkish empire and the black Muslims who provided the slaves. To put in prospective, image talk about car dealers and the cars they sell without mentioning the manufacturers, Ford, GM, Honda, etc. And the ‘white people’ they all use in a racist manner by implying All white or collectively mainly all white, when it is so easy to identify which whites; Democrats. I’m all for reparations. Just get the money from the perpetrators; Muslins, Democrats, and reimburse ALL the slave families, all the families of Union soldiers killed and maimed whose wife and children became destitute. By the way Christopher Hitchens, is NOT unaware or in any way ignorant of this or of its significance to this debate, so I have to assume he choose to leave this out.
@danh2716
5 жыл бұрын
Not in this case. I think he was being dishonest in this debate. In fact, I think that while he was giving his speech he was thinking of the number of ways in which his opponent could shoot holes all through his premise. The fact that he started his argument with a strawman analogy shows it.
@Lodatzor
5 жыл бұрын
@@danh2716 Exactly. The Elgin Marbles were not only a red herring, but also a clear false equivalence of their own. I think he let himself down here, but then again, back when he said this there was not the same level of obvious nonsense emanating from liberal academia. There are folks now who literally believe that half the inventions of the modern world were made by black people, and that the economy of the United States was built upon slave labor, because of muddied information such as he gives here about the building of Washington D.C. He thought of such things as a poignant reminder that even our idols (the founding fathers and great American thinkers) are imperfect, and that the present is built upon an ugly past. I don't think he'd be terribly impressed with the monster which has grown from obsessing over that past.
@zwartepiet412
5 жыл бұрын
@@Lodatzor Could we have survived the Revolutionary War without slave labor? Would France's crucial assistance to us in that war have been available to us without the enticement of access to our economy?
@Lodatzor
5 жыл бұрын
@@zwartepiet412 that slave labor was a relativey small part of that economy until the invention of the cotton gin, this isn't quite the point you might think it is. The slave population was only 700,000 in 1790, but swelled to 1,200,000 by 1810, and cotton became the core of the South's economy. As for the war itself, interestingly most of the northern states refused to participate in the revolution unless their leaders promised to abolish slavery when the country was founded. This was then honored by those states upon their inception, and within 2 decades nigh the entire non-South of the country had copied them. The US was not built by slave labor. This is a false (and I will say wantonly stupid) narrative which has been created by the Woke, in their desperate attempt to find some crusade to wage.
@ampman76
9 жыл бұрын
This where the collective mindset is most destructive. You cannot assign an individual responsibility for anything that happened before he was born. You just simply can't, it contradicts reality in every way. Yet you wish to hold an entire society responsible for what happened before any of its individual members were born? When does this magical assignment of responsibility take place? When did I become responsible for slavery? When I was born? That's as absurd as saying I was born with Original Sin.
@lifeline_
6 жыл бұрын
ampman76 well, by being born we are all the spawn of those who have sinned. By our very existence we show that our forefathers survived likely at the cost of others. But back to you original point, it is not that the forefathers of westerners sinned that gives this argument voice, it is the fact that ONLY westerners understand and continually apologize for the actions of those who came before that gives these arguments power. The Japanese do not appologize for the murders and rapes committed during WW2 because they know that those who committed those acts are long dead, though many Chinese still hold Ill will towards them. However they do not often attack, demand repentance or reperations from the Japanese, last I checked. To put it simply, if everyone achknowledged the past but did not allow for it to stain them, then we wouldn't see people taking advantage of this guilt that seemingly only westerners have for the sins of their ancestors. Of course, when you look at other cultures and people, even some Japanese, who try to hide or discredit the historic atrocities, it's no shock why. The only man guilty in the eyes of all around, is the one who confesses to his past crimes, whether "he" committed them or not.
@londonspade5896
6 жыл бұрын
Well said LifeLine, the Barbary and Ottoman slave trades were far more horrific than the Atlantic slave trade conducted by Europeans, but Europeans are the only ones who are targeted for 'reparations', precisely because we are too empathetic. I'd love to see Turkey's response to 'reparation' demands.
@kyokogodai-ir6hy
6 жыл бұрын
LondonSpade, I think Europeans are targeted because they have money and power (which Turkey does not). Also, the CULTural marxist/Frankfurt School of thought makes White Europeans (and thus White America) the total evil in the world, who must atone for everything ever done, regardless of who else was doing it across the globe.
@truthguy7577
6 жыл бұрын
Why would anyone forfeit their advantage or inheritance if they didn't feel responsible? On the contrary, if you feel you're the benefit of illicit privilege, feel free to give up your inheritance.
@pbot6593
6 жыл бұрын
Amateras Uchiha How so? Makes perfect sense to me... wait, no not quite; everyone supposedly is born with original sin because of Eve, yet not every white person descends from a slave trader or owner. Total white guilt bullshit. 3% of white Americans owned slaves, and my ancestors did not take part. If I owe a penny for reparations, it will have to come out of whatever I get back from the african invasions of Italy Fuck off
@lavawingsplays1627
3 жыл бұрын
America needs this man so much right now. RIP Christopher.
@captur69
3 жыл бұрын
And the planet....
@Longtack55
3 жыл бұрын
"Be assured I am resting as I AM AN ATHEIST!" (Message from the crematorium.)
@captur69
3 жыл бұрын
@@Longtack55 interesting quote....?..
@Longtack55
3 жыл бұрын
@@captur69 I was presumptuously projecting through the medium of Imagination. I've seen so many admirers of Hitchens wishing him "RIP" and I'm momentarily apoplectic at the meaninglessness to an Atheist. He's not "resting" - owing to a sudden attack of death. Hitchens' wisdom was imparted universally and The Planet was better for him.
@captur69
3 жыл бұрын
@@Longtack55 definitely.....death is final.. I never really get the "rip" brigade....
@john.john.johnny
5 жыл бұрын
"Torrent of bad faith...lolllll "when people begin to introduce the irrelevant the non sequitur and the generalizations .. you can tell you're onto something". Lollll the Hitch
@writerconsidered
4 жыл бұрын
When he said that all I could think of was some of the bad rationalizations in the youtube comments. I've read a few times what about the Arabs who practiced slavery in the same time period.
@probinson8296
4 жыл бұрын
@@writerconsidered Hmm. Arabs have practised slavery since Sumerian times, as have many, if not most others. Slavery of one sort or another is still widely practised today. During the times that the American slave trade was going, Arabs, Europeans and other African tribes participated.
@Cryptonymicus
4 жыл бұрын
@@SkinnySkates Frankly, I think it should be "laugh aloud."
@googleisskynet7312
3 жыл бұрын
@@writerconsidered They aren't bad rationalizations. They are arguments intended to contextualize reparations as totally illogical and unjust.
@googleisskynet7312
3 жыл бұрын
I don't think that people who are being collectively assigned the guilt of historical events based on their race can be automatically dismissed as bad faith actors. Hitchens is basically just dismissing all arguments which attempt to contextualize the absurdity and injustice of the notion of transgenerational race-based reparations which I think is intellectually dishonest at best, and plainly malevolent at worst.
@FreakishPower
5 жыл бұрын
that was the weakest argument I've ever seen from him. 95% was fluff (he just mesmerized the audience with his skills of speech and history), and his real answer came down to the US Treasury made money off of it? Really? Glossed over the answer completely.
@gravypatron
5 жыл бұрын
I think you just put into words the floating mist in my mind that I've been thinking of since I've seen this video. I won't go so far as to say I'm disappointed with his answer as it was, he's human too, but rather- I feel bad for being irritated with his shenanigan.
@elmoblatch9787
5 жыл бұрын
You nailed it, and that is so un Hitchens-esque. He blew it here and was not convincing. How often can you say that about Hitch? Not often.
@kc1487
5 жыл бұрын
So, no reparations for you descendants of slaves in America? Because we can't find you? Because it's not practical? Because it's not merited? Discuss.
@SpywareEverywhere
5 жыл бұрын
The man is good but certainly not flawless. He really failed here.
@D00kerT
5 жыл бұрын
I think he was asked to defend the opposing argument, by the event organizers, for reparations and this was the best strategy he came up with. I think Hitchens would ultimately agree that there is no way to justly implement the idea and further policy, of reparations. I think he would agree that it is completely unworkable and that any vague and etherial links to "white privilege" (really in-group preference which all human beings can be subject to) are unworkable.
@m.f.b7144
3 жыл бұрын
Christopher you were born in the wrong year. You belong to our present and future. You are just amazing. 💖
@likerofvideos4534
3 жыл бұрын
I don’t know if the present and future would be the same if he hadn’t already been here. A truly brilliant mind, and I agree with the heart of your statement, we need him now more than ever
@poozer1986
Жыл бұрын
Why thank you, comrade
@davidraymondbennett
3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant brilliant man. And courageous in his assertions. So badly missed.
@adamsmith3413
3 жыл бұрын
This is quite a stupid argument from analogy.
@demoninepro99p
4 жыл бұрын
An amazing man, with a an astute vision.
@sophisticated_patter
5 жыл бұрын
Oh, how I wish we were here now.
@altratronic
5 жыл бұрын
Hitchens here speaks eloquently and at length about the issue without explicitly declaring his position.
@metromoppet
5 жыл бұрын
There is one thing ,I observe, which is the statement that these ' so' unfortunate soles were wrenched from some sort of Utopian freedom to an indeterminate slavery... Stop.! These peoples were no more free than were captives taken in their incessant wars working in their own domain. It is a proven state that the captives taken in dispute were no less captive than those non captives living in their own home environment's ,that is to say subjects of the KIng?Queen Whichever. The middle passage is the nightmare to which all succumbed and there should be recompense, but to whom?
@scottnineteen
5 жыл бұрын
Did we watch a different videos? He couldn't have been clearer- pay reparations.
@jesseatwater393
5 жыл бұрын
@@metromoppet Not just the soles but the toes, the ankles, the arms and legs. And the torsos. And let us not forget the heads!
@v-town1980
5 жыл бұрын
@scott_ I'm not paying; my family owned zero slaves, and didn't arrive in the US until the 1920s. So stick your "pay reparations." Making an entire generation who've committed no crimes pay an entire generation who've never been enslaved is ridiculous. Should we blame today's German's for the Holocaust? No.
@acetate909
5 жыл бұрын
@@v-town1980 Today's Germans have very much recocsiled with their past. Personal responsibility is not the same as cultural responsibility. I don't personally use the things that a portion of my taxes go to but I pay them because it's not an elacart system. That said, I don't believe that we should pay reparations but for different reasons than you stated.
@MarkPageJr
5 жыл бұрын
I don't owe anyone anything.
@cliffgaither
5 жыл бұрын
_You owe the IRS OR are you avoiding paying taxes ?_
@dickiebhee4711
5 жыл бұрын
doubt that. we all owe someone. you have no gratitude.
@RafaDaGreat
5 жыл бұрын
The government owes...you have no say.
@rosariomoreno3558
5 жыл бұрын
Dickie Bhee, I respect your opinion but you’re not going to change anyone’s mind talking about Jesus who isn’t Catholic nor Christian
@dickiebhee4711
5 жыл бұрын
Faye Flower I’m grateful to be alive so yes, I suppose
@cullenmott7614
2 жыл бұрын
*REPARATIONS: “BACK-PAY. OWED. AND IT’S OVERDUE.”*
@robertopistone1179
Жыл бұрын
I agree but the question is to whom. Every person of that era is dead. Do we give reparations to every person of color????
@cullenmott7614
Жыл бұрын
@@robertopistone1179 Yes, to every person of color. That era is only half-dead.
@johnnicol64
Жыл бұрын
Go see the AFRICANS, who committed the original sin of enslaving them . Easy ...
@TheUrgleBurgle
4 жыл бұрын
I wish he was still with us.
@lutherblissett8780
4 жыл бұрын
He would be horrified at how far we've fallen.
@timmorodgers4271
4 жыл бұрын
Luther Blissett but not surprised
@zigababnik8780
3 жыл бұрын
@@lutherblissett8780 I'm not sure, Dawkins and DeGrasse totally disappointed, they're completely synchronized with mainstream propaganda.
@Drahthaar422
9 жыл бұрын
Have to disagree with Hitch here. There's a reason it was called the slave trade and not the slave theft. It's not like the slave traders were hunting down Africans and snatching them up. It would be one thing if that was the case, but the way it happened is that African warlords and chieftains rounded up their subjects and sold them to slave traders for rum. The slave traders were buying slaves, yes, but the African chieftains were selling them. So let's not act like white Americans (many of whom have zero slaveowners in their ancestry) are entirely responsible for slavery in North America.
@johnpliskin8759
6 жыл бұрын
Wade Perkins what the fuck? so calling it "trade" makes it not a horrible thing? what the actual fuck?
@domc2909
6 жыл бұрын
No John, calling it a "trade" means somebody was doing the selling. Who do you think that was?
@domsjuk
3 жыл бұрын
I think dismissing the generalization of his argument about the Parthenon Marbles is not as easy and as he states. Is there really that stark of a difference between classic Greek artifacts and Pharaonic Egyptian ones (or something you might imagine in between)? There are no Pharaonic Egyptians around, but neither are there Ancient Hellenic polis-dwellers, so how can modern Christian Greeks claim that piece justly as their own, but modern Islamic Egyptians respectively can't? In both cases the artifact's meaning is symbolical, not religious anymore, their meaning far from their original context, and there is a difficult case for historic civilizational continuation and claims to heritage. Sure, details can make a crucial difference, but with regards to his argument in general terms they may not at all.
@nikolalangov6084
3 жыл бұрын
If someone stole your great grandfather's property which had been passed down the generations to more immediate family, you would have a just claim to demand it to be restituted. However if your great grandfather robbed someone else and seized their property and in return that property got taken away by a third party, then that claim becomes a bit weaker, although you are still allowed to make it. While modern day Greeks aren't Hellenistic Greeks, they are still largely their descendants due to the continuous process of shaping Greek society as we know it today. Historical evidence suggests the process was a lot less smooth in Egypt as Arabs were not just conquerors, but also forced the local population to assimilate into their society, through enforced Islamisation, rape, murder, etc. Admittedly, both modern day countries would still like their artifacts returned due to the economic benefits of increased tourism, but ultimately only the Greeks can play the culture card.
@LancesArmorStriking
3 жыл бұрын
In some sense I do understand, but you're dealing with a Ship of Theseus problem here, and everyone's answer varies bases in what they think constitutes a continual identity. In my case, I think both the Greeks and Egyptians should be returned their artifacts- not necessarily because they were taken from the exact same people as those who sculpted the original artworks, but because they were taken from Greeks and Egyptians (1800s) who are arguably the same today. Whether or not they can claim heritage, they can certainly claim lost revenue from tourism and sovereignty over whatever is dug up on their territory.
@domsjuk
3 жыл бұрын
@@LancesArmorStriking & @Nikola Langov Mhmh, both valid points. Thanks. I wonder how this relates to the question of seized land, and "formal" reasons why and how people in general were dispossessed of somthing, e.g. during a war. I guess, giving some symbolical items back is easier and the sentimental value of having had them lying around in a museum for a few generations weighs much less than settlers' claims to land, which was conquered in an "unjustified" war (obviously a never-ending question in itself), and then been occupied for a similar time. Psychologically, people are loss averse, and in this case having lived on and "owned" land passed down from your grandparents is practically something else, and involves living individuals much more immediately than ownership of some items by a trust or a state or a museum (simply in psychological terms), but I think there is still a problem of distinguishing these things categorically, if we regard lost ownership, potential, revenue etc. in that way. Seems to be a slippery slope.
@googleisskynet7312
3 жыл бұрын
I think the analogy is rather devoid of logic in its entirety. Some artifact that some state (or state's agent) seized from another culture centuries ago could be returned as restitution. In this case, there would not be collectivized guilt. It would be understood that the entire English ethnic group, for example, was not collectively guilty of stealing the Parthenon Marbles and bringing them to London. They were taken by the English monarchy and brought there. The English may have benefited from it being there, but it was by no inherent collectivized fault of their own that it was there. Taking this example and comparing it to the enslavement of Black Africans by Europeans is filled with a multitude of logical inconsistencies. First, it was not the entire "white society", as Hitchens argued, that is responsible for the slave trade, slavery, racist laws, etc. 98% of European American families did not own slaves, and many among them were not supporters of slavery as an institution. It benefited the wealthy aristocracy almost exclusively. As an institution, it actually hurt poor European immigrants because there was less need for cheap labor as a result of it. Moreover, many European Americans are the descendants of immigrants who came to the U.S. after emancipation. Some came from countries that didn't even partake in colonization or the slave trade, such as Poland. Add on top of this that not all African Americans are descended from freed slaves. Some of their descendants even partook in slavery themselves against their own people in the New World. So at the end of the day, what reparations represents is the notion that ALL European Americans, regardless of their ancestry, are guilty. It is not just "sins of our father," it is sins of our neighbor, our kings, our Congress, of ANYONE who belonged to our racial group who partook in these historical actions. It is a form of transgenerational racialized guilt against those of European descent and transgenerational racialized victimization of those of African descent. That said, how could reparations ever be justly implemented? Just think of the logistics of such an endeavor and how fraught with incompetence and injustice it would be. If using tax dollars, then the African Americans would essentially just be paying themselves reparations. If a racial tax was assessed, it would be a gross and obvious violation of the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment, which, ironically, is the amendment which also naturalized freed slaves as American citizens. That is why reparations for slavery can never be just...or legal...in the United States. Hitchens would minimalize and mock my argument as "white whining," but really, there is just simply no logical or justifiable way to implement reparations based on race, even if the idea seems virtuous at face value.
@domsjuk
3 жыл бұрын
@@googleisskynet7312 Hey, this wasn't really what I was discussing, but I'll just accept your point here. However I have to say, I think you make a bit a categorical error. Reparations in the case of US-American slave descendant or in many other cases, are not intended (by any sane person) as a punishment because of some alleged inherited collective guilt. If this were so your point would be correct, but without rewatching this video, I would say generally such propositions including that of Hitchens' would frame them as a form of affirmative action, to make up for past discrimination, which has implications to this day. I don't want to discuss the intricacies of such policies at all, but I think at least in that regard your point is correct: Ethnic boundaries are blurry and the burden of past wrongs is difficult to quantify and account for not only on an individual level, but on a level of group or "racial identity". Should one attempt it nonetheless, and how? Different questions.
@Zomfoo
4 жыл бұрын
I accept neither collective guilt nor hereditary guilt. No American living today has owned or been a slave. There is no victim and no guilt. No debt exists. Force a redistribution of wealth based on ethnicity will doom ethnic reconciliation.
@nathanstempleton7754
9 жыл бұрын
Its the same as saying Germany should be Paying Israel, Turkey should be paying Armenia and Spain should pay millions to Latin America. Past deeds are not current affairs.
@MrInfidelX
9 жыл бұрын
Germany did pay Israel.
@nathanstempleton7754
9 жыл бұрын
MrInfidelX But the German people still didn't kill them. Naz's did. Just as should we in the West pay money to the middle East for our soldiers invading during the crusades? No because it wasn't the people it was a radical, murderous faction.
@MrInfidelX
9 жыл бұрын
By and large, the German public supported the Nazi Party during its reign.
@MrInfidelX
9 жыл бұрын
nathan templar They were still responsible to a great extent, no?
@MrInfidelX
9 жыл бұрын
nathan templar They knew they were being deported, made to work, etc. They also knew Hitler was planning to invade other countries in the name of German supremacism, and they cheered him on. If you think slavery was alright; and if you directly benefitted from slavery and raised no objection to it; then yes I would blame you.
@alkinboo
5 жыл бұрын
If the English Navy protected the Atlantic Slave Trade shouldn't they also be liable to pay Reparations? Tell me instead about the great slave revolt and how they earned their freedom, OH wait that never happened. Instead, 350,000 whites gave their lives to win their freedom. That sounds like reparation enough.
@ianman6
5 жыл бұрын
You mean the constant slave revolts? They never happened?! Ever heard of Haiti?
@wilgarris
5 жыл бұрын
You can't say that, it goes against the liberal dogma and you will be hunted down and silenced for having an opposing opinion and thinking for yourself.
@ianman6
5 жыл бұрын
@@wilgarris Lol, it's funny that factually incorrect statements are "opposing opinions" fiercely rejected by some liberal boogie man.
@michealwillis
5 жыл бұрын
Those lives given were not to free the slaves, but to keep the Union intact. And I’m guessing you also don’t know or care to know, about all of the other injustices blacks were subjugated to after those lives were “given” and well up to today as well. Pick up a book and learn history before you shoot off at the mouth.
@wilgarris
5 жыл бұрын
I'm sure that you care little about the lives given to free slaves and would rather dwell on the evils of the whites but the fact remains that the freedom of the slaves was a direct result of the civil war and the men and women (mostly white) who died. I've studied my history perhaps you should as well before you shoot off your mouth.
@KilgoreTroutAsf
3 жыл бұрын
"white whine" just made my day
@anarcho-boulangistllamaent2023
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah how dare white people "whine" when somebody wants to confiscate parts of their wealth solely for being white? Truly shocking display of immature "whiners".
@user-mq8xg5sp9c
3 жыл бұрын
Racist
@will_the_warlord8913
3 жыл бұрын
and white rage
@Zachd500
3 жыл бұрын
@@anarcho-boulangistllamaent2023 nothing would be confiscated the US government would pay reparations.
@voxomnes9537
2 жыл бұрын
@@anarcho-boulangistllamaent2023 Their wealth?
@petersonscottb
5 жыл бұрын
For me to be for reparations for slavery, someone needs to answer the following questions. Why should I pay for the sins of my ancestors? If I should pay for the sins of my ancestors who were slave owners, why should I not receive credit for my ancestors who fought against slavery? Why should I pay for reparations to those black people who are better off than I am? What about people who are half white and half black such a Barack Obama and Mariah Carey? Should they pay reparations to themselves?
@clash74jm
4 жыл бұрын
@Omar Savory There are many factors to consider (petersonscottb brought up some of them), however, to consider the Civil Liberties Act of 1888 as a precedent is not correct. This Act gave reparations to SURVIVING Japanese individuals affected, not their descendants.
@clash74jm
4 жыл бұрын
@Omar Savory Nowhere did I mention statute of limitations. Also, to equate inheritance with reparations shows ignorance on your part. Due to the logistics involved with distributing wealth to those affected by slavery, it will never happen. The best thing would be to do something similar to what you mentioned, Georgetown. Handing out money to the affected masses will only serve to lower their socioeconomic status even further. Thus, the best action would be to provide financial support to higher education, or perhaps even a lower interest rate on business loans. Increasing the education level of the masses affected, will have the result of increasing their socioeconomic level in the long run. It's not that I disagree with helping those affected, but just handing out lump sums of money is illogical. But, and this is a very big "but", how do you propose determining who can receive the financial support?
@clash74jm
4 жыл бұрын
@Omar Savory Okay, but how would you suggest going about determining who gets what? If you decide to use DNA to exclude those that don't meet a "minimum threshold", you are going to open up Pandora's box, regarding unsolved crimes. So, again, what would you use to determine eligibility?
@pappy374
4 жыл бұрын
@Omar Savory I'd prefer that we work towards a nation that doesn't need reparations because there is no longer such a great inequality that they are needed.
@pappy374
4 жыл бұрын
@Omar Savory You have data that proves we shouldn't work towards a more equal society? I'll take a look at that, because if you think just giving some people some money is going to fix anything then you're nuts.
@rmwhite13691
10 жыл бұрын
I generally agree with Hitch, but not on this one. He is absolutely right that there were horrible atrocities done to slaves and many civilizations in the past, and maybe we could do something to assist those today that were affected. But consider this, my family came from Germany over 50 years after the end of the Civil War and the Emancipation Proclamation and lived in extreme poverty. Am I supposed to pay for something I, nor any of my family, past or present had anything to do with just because of the color of my skin? How do we begin to separate who deserves to be paid and who should be paying?
@TheRakk24
9 жыл бұрын
Exactly. My parents lived soviet Azerbaijan also in extreme poverty. Now they are lower-middle class American citizens. Why should we be penalized for this.
@TjamVideoMan
6 жыл бұрын
YES, because you came here for the slavery produced BENEFITS...
@shannonswift2233
6 жыл бұрын
Rachel Goettling David Dworski His speech seems to have gone over your head.
@KoreeMichael
6 жыл бұрын
Rachel Goettling but you'd like to reap the benefits of a country built from slavery before you're family got here??? sounds a bit like free loading is it not?
@KoreeMichael
6 жыл бұрын
TjamVideoMan exactly
@JohnWilliams-channel
3 жыл бұрын
I think reparations should take the reverse form of Lee Atwater's southern strategy. If we propose to help everyone who suffers from a legacy of poverty, if that helps minorities such as blacks more, then so be it. There is so much injustice in US history, and I think the proof is in the soaring poverty rates of minorities. We need to provide them with opportunities to advance their social class, and do it under the rubric of lifting everyone out of poverty.
@NeganLucilleForever
2 жыл бұрын
reparations make no sense for these reasons: 1. no one who was subjected to slavery is alive 2. not all black people descended from slaves 3. not all white people descended from slave owners 4. there were black slave owners (though very few) you can't lift anyone out of poverty by giving them handouts. there are more poor white people than black people in America, so why should the black people get help and not the white people? if you want to help, just help those who need help, don't pick and choose based on race, that's racism.
@JohnWilliams-channel
2 жыл бұрын
@@MrWhodatsay Don't get me started about colonialism in Africa. That is NOT an argument you are going to win.
@Atamanxxxvii
2 жыл бұрын
@@JohnWilliams-channel Lol, I hear this every time I'm about to spank some idiot over colonialism. Give it your best shot.
@JohnWilliams-channel
2 жыл бұрын
@@Atamanxxxvii Are you going to deny colonialism from the major western powers, England, France, Spain, Portugal, and others? Because that's where you get spanked, Skippy.
@Atamanxxxvii
2 жыл бұрын
@@JohnWilliams-channel well do it then, come on I'm waiting
@snowflakemelter1172
5 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't a fundamental principle of law be broken by paying compensation to someone for just being a relative of a person who suffered injury ?
@kingirisnetwork9847
5 жыл бұрын
Rufus Chucklebutty it’s more about the wave of economic and social damage that had been done by Jim Crow, slavery, ect.. All people of color have been affected by these things. Couldn’t get jobs, buy homes ect..
@dickiebhee4711
5 жыл бұрын
when people die, do their homes and cars go with them into the grave?
@chadmueller1784
5 жыл бұрын
Your question implies that the only blacks who have suffered in america did so as slaves, when I'd argue that slavery was just the initial injury (Jim Crow, etc.) and more importantly that damage is still being done to this day (the ridiculously high numbers of African Americans incarcerated in this country, etc.) and thus the reasonableness of reparations to that race of humans.
@renaissancemarinetv3536
5 жыл бұрын
@@chadmueller1784 then perhaps the democratic party as an entity should pay reparations.
@rodstarcke5423
5 жыл бұрын
@@kingirisnetwork9847 , but how is throwing money at the problem going to solve it. Wouldn't a better solution be for the black community to first gain self responsibility for the crime that exists in their neighborhood?
@matthewlane9071
4 жыл бұрын
Hitch rarely lets me down. So happy to hear his thoughts on this. A (mostly) morally consistent man he was.
@suarezguy
4 жыл бұрын
A pretty big exception being advocating that other people go to war.
@matthewlane9071
4 жыл бұрын
@@suarezguy huge, yeah.
@Davieboy-dovbear
4 жыл бұрын
@@matthewlane9071 - STFU Dumbass!
@matthewlane9071
4 жыл бұрын
@@Davieboy-dovbear thanks for weighing in with your envious skill for debate, Davie.
@Davieboy-dovbear
4 жыл бұрын
@@matthewlane9071 Matthew Allen Lane - all the pro-Hitchens arguments (and Hitchen's himself), *not that you have made any!* .. are subjective and lack essence. What Hitchens is doing to you all (has been doing), is solely for the purpose of selling his books. Hitchens is a conman with a rich vocabulary that can manipulate the minds of people like you (the uneducated and the misinformed). I believe too, Christianity is a fake religion but is the easiest to debunk and that's why Hitchens attacks Christianity all the time, it makes him look good! But trust me when I tell you this, there's hardly any difference between the du mb christians who give money to the Church, and you bu ms who give money to Hitchens (or show support for him) .. this is what I meant when I said _"S T F U,"_ I just wanted to save space & time and being that you all Hitchens fan[atic]s are so _”smart”_ (LOL), I was expecting you gonna understand.
@sophomoremd
5 жыл бұрын
It's weird I always hear so much about how great this guy was but I don't think I've fully agreed with a single argument he's ever made. Yet I enjoy watching him make them.
@Mr._Moderate
5 жыл бұрын
It's okay, because if you live in America it is to live in constant disagreement 🤷♂️
@sophomoremd
5 жыл бұрын
@@Mr._Moderate I disagree.
@sebastianbernardo9900
5 жыл бұрын
@@sophomoremd Ha!
@hunterbrady4789
7 жыл бұрын
The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. Do they get reparations too?
@Nightdare
7 жыл бұрын
also: do the slave trading nations need to pay reparations? The Dutch, Portuguese, English, etc? How about the African nations that supplied these slaves?
@007liammurphy
7 жыл бұрын
Good point!
@gumdeo
7 жыл бұрын
Really this idea of reparations is absurd, which is why it hasn't gotten anywhere.
@ketch_up
6 жыл бұрын
Someone didn't watch the video lol
@absolutetruth7218
6 жыл бұрын
Hunter Brady lmbao at the irish as slaves. The irish were indentured servants they werent slaves. Who did they enslaved after their indentured servitude and forced to work the land they got aftr their indentured servitude?
@stevefarris9433
5 жыл бұрын
My ancestors were Irish and came to America as indentured servants. I will take my reparations in whiskey, thank you.
@christianvaclavic9574
5 жыл бұрын
Do the Third Reich or Umayyad Caliphate have active HR departments? As Slavic "vermin" or "garbage," I'll happily take my reparations in Adidas and slivovitz, or vodka if you must. It's gotta be potato, though! I know my new Irish friend stands with me on this. Corn is for whiskey, not for vodka...
@@christianvaclavic9574 Never heard the term Slavic "vermin or garbage". But if it was used by the Third Reich or the muslims I would take it as an intended insult and say to hell with them.
@stevefarris9433
5 жыл бұрын
Once again I heartily agree. Corn for bourbon, Potato for Vodka.@@christianvaclavic9574
@christianvaclavic9574
5 жыл бұрын
@@stevefarris9433 Oh, yeah. Heydrich and Hitler hated the Czechs. Ironically, their tests concluded the Czech people had more "Aryan" traits than a lot of Germany. So...jealousy, maybe? They covered it up, it course. What else is a government to do?!
@johnyoung2645
5 жыл бұрын
The best way to repair the damage from slavery is to ensure nobody can be a slave ever, and that everyone is treated the same under the law without protected groups. Anything else is just band aids.
@WolfsH0ok
5 жыл бұрын
There are more slaves today than 100 years ago Its just that no one cares because they are not in western countries People think the west is evil, and they only really virtue signal when the west does something And that is because in western democracy they have been given freedom to virtue signal its almost like self loathing
@kindanyume
5 жыл бұрын
thats a lame ass straw man pile of crap and we all know it age is irrelevant to this context..@PikPobedy
@jklxn
9 жыл бұрын
My ancestors came from Norway, and some joined the Union Army straight away. So, what of that? I have one that died while serving. So, who owes here? How do people who have no ancestors that were slaves deserve reparations?
@robertvernon4826
9 жыл бұрын
Typical european thinking,...so called.
@jklxn
9 жыл бұрын
robert vernon what, not wanting to pay for something to some one else for no good reason? How about reparations for my ancestors dying..? If your ancestors werent slaves? No reps. That would take care of a good majority of it.
@robertvernon4826
9 жыл бұрын
I am european just like you, you idiot
@jklxn
9 жыл бұрын
well wth was i supposed to think?
@Chasstful
5 жыл бұрын
Here's the problem, 10 years after reparations, the same people are back at the bottom...
5 жыл бұрын
Why would you assume that? Is there a precedent for this?
@Chasstful
5 жыл бұрын
@ Just common sense. People who are bad with money will eventually end up separated from their money, People who are industrious will always rise to the top. What do you think poor black people would do with a bunch of government cash?
@talldarkhandsome8587
5 жыл бұрын
Charles Black 10 years? Try one or two
@rationalthought9979
5 жыл бұрын
Given that hundreds of billions have already been given to african-americans over the past 50 years, I'd say you're probably right.
@talldarkhandsome8587
5 жыл бұрын
Rational Thought try trillions
@makhetefall8003
2 жыл бұрын
Fortunate to have learned English to the point of understanding Hitchens. So miss you Professor Hitchens. Simply Succulent. I pay attention When he speaks.
@VolvoImpala
4 жыл бұрын
I'm kinda convinced if every grievance anybody ever had were repaid the world would just end.
@terrancehall9762
4 жыл бұрын
So make excuses for evil?
@VolvoImpala
4 жыл бұрын
@@terrancehall9762 A grievance based society is evil.
@terrancehall9762
4 жыл бұрын
@@VolvoImpala so more excuses for evil
@himehomemi5642
4 жыл бұрын
Haha with the amount of heinous shit everyones done to everyone else we'd probably end up with ww3 fighting to see who's picking up the tab
@KLRCAT
4 жыл бұрын
"If you give a man a fish he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will eat forever" Reparations will cause more damage, as it will only make people more dependent on the government. This is standard Marxist/Communist thinking. Now you understand why he addressed the audience as "Comrades" 🤦♂️
The Elgin marbles is a big red herring. The Greeks at the time had no interest in or respect for their history, and had destroyed countless artifacts to make lime, costing the world inestimably dearly in lost knowledge. The Elgin marbles were about to suffer the same fate. They weren't stolen, they were rescued, for all of us. Reparations for slavery is a difficult one for me. The suffering was terrible, but those who experienced it are long dead, as are those who perpetrated it, and the many Africans who enabled it because it wasn't just a white on black thing. And in fact black on white slavery continued until the turn of the 20th century when the barbary pirates were wiped out, so white families from the Mediterranean all the way up to the coast of Britain have slavery in their families right up to the edge of living memory and as such have perhaps an even more legitimate claim. However, I believe that nobody is responsible or should be held accountable for the crimes of their ancestors (even when an individuals ancestors can be proved to have been involved). Nor should a nation be held responsible for events where no participant or victim still lives. If we are to hold people responsible for historic events, how many generations must pass before it becomes silly? I live in the north of England - does that mean, therefore, that I can claim reparations from Denmark for the actions of the Vikings? Or Rome for the invasion of 43ad? We're not even meant to hold Germany responsible for the blitz, a mere 7 decades ago.
@ishmaelforester9825
7 жыл бұрын
They were rescued but they ought to go back. They belong in Athens, somewhere near the Acropolis and the Parthenon, not in a British museum. It is as simple as taking ancient heritage back where it came from and where it belongs The Parthenon is still there, at least partly, and there is a thread of continuity between the ancient and modern world in this case. It is not like ancient Hellas simply disappeared altogether and was miraculously recovered. Reparations for slavery is a far more controversial and impractical concept, obviously.
@eviltwin2322
7 жыл бұрын
+Ishmael Forester Yeah I've no argument there, and it would be a nice gesture for archaeologists and historians in both nations to come together with a mutually beneficial compromise, as I think you hinted at in another post. I just felt that the often-implied idea that our ancestors went around essentially raping antiquity is at best misleading and at worst an outright libel that needs challenging.
@ishmaelforester9825
7 жыл бұрын
Evil Twin I don't think they raped antiquity but they certainly raped the present in their day. I don't think anybody intelligent has any illusions about imperialism generally, not just the British, anymore.
@user-sd8ec5jv2z
7 жыл бұрын
No interest in their history? Well, during the battles to take Athens, the Turks were melting down the lead rods holding up the pillars of the Parthenon for bullets. The Greeks were so worried about this they offered the Turks bullets if they would only stop melting down the material. Were there a lot of Greeks who weren't aware of their history? Or perhaps weren't even really Greeks? Sure. However, there were quite a few who did.
@eviltwin2322
7 жыл бұрын
No right thinking person believes in or endorses imperialism now, but nobody is responsible for the actions of their ancestors, and anyway you are conflating two seperate and unconnected issues here. Look, the fact is that there isn't a single museum in the world that does not contain items stolen from another culture. If you endorse giving the Elgin Marbles back, then the Met, for example, should give Britain back all the medieval armour that the people did not give them permission to take, or pretty much every museum should return their mummies to Egypt, a country that doesn't have the space or resources to look after them properly (artefacts in Cairo museum are shockingly badly restored and conserved). Or maybe middle eastern artefacts should be returned to Isis, the Taliban and Al Qaeda. We've all seen the respect they have for antiquities.
@zSchreckensszene
4 жыл бұрын
I miss this man so much
@epicmatt12
5 жыл бұрын
Here because of the most recent “Making Sense” Podcast. Anyone else with me?
@rickybosephus2036
5 жыл бұрын
Dude, reparations do not make sense. Hitchens is a moron in this area. I would debate and destroy him any day of the week and have gone to toe with him in the past. He thanked me even, and said he learned something! Reparations for any group is divisive and pushed by the world wide Marxist communist effort to divide the US and destroy it.
@epicmatt12
5 жыл бұрын
@@rickybosephus2036 I agree with you. Reparations make no sense.
@stuboy261
5 жыл бұрын
Yep, here for the same reason, Hitch was so salient and informed about everything I've seen him in I really thought I might come here to find an intelligent argument for reparations... I was very disappointed.
@johnorona99
5 жыл бұрын
@@epicmatt12 What part of hitchens argument do you disagree with?
@Alacard0malley
5 жыл бұрын
Yep
@daxidol1447
8 жыл бұрын
Still waiting for Mongolia, Northern Europe, Rome and more to pay me back for doing the same to the English.
@MadBrainBox
8 жыл бұрын
+Daxidol I have a similar list for my country.It's a bit longer though. Mr. Hitchens is wrong here.Let the past be in the past.Learn from it,true, but don't dwell on it.
@JollyJoel
8 жыл бұрын
You guys are so lost on this subject. You are obviously not listening to what he's saying.
@MadBrainBox
8 жыл бұрын
Jolly Joel Really?I listened carefully.What do you think he is saying?
@JollyJoel
8 жыл бұрын
MadBrainBox Your statement shows you're probably not from America, England, or France etc, but you have sympathy towards not paying reparations for this specifically. It also shows you weren't listening to the part where he talked about why African descent free labor removed the nations need to spend millions (which nowadays would be billions) of dollars to make a nation way more powerful and in America's case, help build the nation in general. The nation we are benefiting from, regardless if our family immigrated to one of these countries after slavery was over, in America's case for 400 years Africans were bred, worked to death, and in that process built a nation by labor. Once slavery was over, they weren't allow to benefit from society, nor given any equality for another 100 years and those issues still slightly carry on to this day. If you take two pictures of history in America, one of _Slavery and it's ending_. Another one of Africans Americans disproportionately living in poverty, disproportionately sent to jail/prison, and anything they do that is different than white people, laws are made to target those differences. It is boldly clear that society owes something to African Americans. The same is said for every nation that benefited from Slavery but mostly Americans. America had done this to some degree for Native Americans and I don't see many people complaining about that.
@MadBrainBox
8 жыл бұрын
Jolly Joel I am from a country that was pillaged, occupied, had it's population repeatedly decimated and overall kept down for the past 2 millennia.We've been occupied,in turn,by the Romans,the Hungarians,the Ottomans and had a communist regime forced upon it's country that was worse than the past occupations.Not to mention the Russians treated us as the losing side in WW2 and we were forced to pay a ridiculous war debt in the for of our factories plus a massive amount of gold.After they used our soldiers as cannon fodder in the war,virtually decimating our armed forces.And communism was forced upon us with the blessing of the Western powers.And now we're treated slightly better by the EU.But only slightly. Who should I ask reparations from?We're a poor nation because of the great powers.I know exactly who to blame and I know exactly what kind of debt it is owed to us and who owes it to us.And who owes the land that should be ours but that's another story. That said,me asking to be compensated by people that did nothing wrong to me is not a fair thing to do. The simple conclusion of my little ramble is this:"The strong does what he can,the weak does what he must".My ancestors were weak and did what they had to in order to survive and the strong came and took what they wanted because they could.
@bigsoso20
9 жыл бұрын
Some people in the comment section are just ridiculous. Can you not see the clear gap between blacks and the rest of america? The living conditions and treatment of black people in america by the system obviously shows that. Stats don't lie. It was this same system that had slaves and benefited from the free labour that has created this massive gap and still continuous to widen the gap. Clearly something has to be done to fix it.
@socraytes
9 жыл бұрын
Yomamas Nekst And that "something" would be what?
@bigsoso20
9 жыл бұрын
socraytes Maybe investing more into these communities. Developing better systems of education? I don't know I'm no politician but something better than what the government is doing right now
@socraytes
9 жыл бұрын
Yomamas Nekst As a nation we pay more now into education now than we've ever paid in the history of the United States yet we're falling further and further down the rankings. Explain how the federal government funding education is helping? As for the communities how can communities thrive when crime is such that business don't want to go into those communities for fear of going under. You can't just dump money on the problem but again if you could who would pay and what would they pay?
@BollocksUtwat
9 жыл бұрын
socraytes Crime is an economic symptom. On a large scale you cannot distinguish between those. In general though the west has gone so far in the wrong direction with the triumph of neo-liberalism in the last 30 years that its not just Blacks that are being stiffed, its everyone in the middle class and the working class. So the whole damned thing is going in the wrong direction so its no surprise that Blacks aren't getting miraculously saved by a system that can't even keep formerly privileged white people from suffering. Also, spending money isn't a magic barometer. Its how that money is spent thats the issue, and the policies that go with it. All this standardized testing nonsense that keeps coming up is a lot of money spent on something that doesn't improve anything.
@exilfromsanity
9 жыл бұрын
Yomamas Nekst I have a novel idea on how to fix it. How about the blacks in America get an education and a job, marry and raise families, care for their young, eschew the life of crime and drugs and thuggery, and see how that works.
@desnebula5699
4 жыл бұрын
I find myself agreeing with Hitchens on every occasion except twice. 1. when he said women cant be funny and 2. now. Reparations were paid in blood when North and South fought a disastrous war were thousands upon thousands were killed.
@gallaxian
2 жыл бұрын
Hitch begins by saying he is going to make an argument by analogy and proceeds to relate some arguments for and against returning the Elgin Marbles. But he then goes on to repeatedly dismisses his opponents’ analogies with respect to the Marbles and reparations as efforts at distraction that reveal their bad faith. I always enjoy listening to him but this is just sophistry.
@HeathenGeek
5 жыл бұрын
Today's word boys and girls is. . . Mendicant
@vicioussyd6870
4 жыл бұрын
Dark
@abefroman8202
4 жыл бұрын
Begged!
@KOLDBLU3ST33L
5 жыл бұрын
R.I.P. Christopher. You, sir, are sorely missed.
@dougwright209
5 жыл бұрын
@@advancedchiropractic667 Isn't there some irony here (if you think he belongs in hell)? An atheist is proposing a very Christian act. It may be as simple as acknowledging the accurate history.
@jonfromtheuk467
5 жыл бұрын
@@advancedchiropractic667 a stupid argument and non sequitur
@kindanyume
5 жыл бұрын
and yet another fuktard religious idiot trying topush their shit on others.. even after they are dead... you should be ashamed of yourself but with your delusions youll never grap that fact..@@advancedchiropractic667
@nonamemcgillicutty9585
4 жыл бұрын
@@advancedchiropractic667 the lowest pit of hell is reserved for people who lead astray the Lord's children... He's certainly getting bent over by Satan right now
@nonamemcgillicutty9585
4 жыл бұрын
@@dougwright209Christian act? Paying for something u didn't take part in is a Christian act now? Peculiar...
@wacharaboy
4 жыл бұрын
"In other words: beware when someone tries to make 'the Best' the enemy of 'the Good'"...
@jmisc
4 жыл бұрын
yeah especially when the president implies that there are fine people in the neo Nazi group
@jongbong1912
4 жыл бұрын
@@jmisc watching this entire video, and the points made, and yet you still misrepresent the real quote and context, for shame sir
@jmisc
4 жыл бұрын
Fine I edited that, are you happy now Trump supporter who are freaking hypocrites, criticizing Obama and Hillary and now pretty much quiet when confronted with Trump’s lies. Why not ask Trump the same thing. Why lie? You are either lying or ignorant. Which is it?
@jongbong1912
4 жыл бұрын
@@jmisc you could still improve on your edit by just deleting it, you either know you're wrong but still intent on the lie, or just dumb
@jmisc
4 жыл бұрын
Niall Colbeck get a life you embarrassing piece of shit. I did the edit to make you all happy, and you still sound like a sore loser afraid of facing the truth that the president is a fucking racist and whiny loser. What else do you want to be quoted properly “I don’t take any responsibilities?”
@antoniodicaprio7792
5 жыл бұрын
Beautifully spoken
@vitruviuspolio
5 жыл бұрын
Not his best moment, by far. Comparing the Atlantic slave trade to the acquisition of the Elgin marbles is so ridiculous as to be insulting. Also, his statement that there is scarcely stone upon stone in Washington, D.C. that was not put there by slaves shows a sad ignorance of the history of the city in which he certainly spent a fair amount of time. Maybe one can make a good argument to reparations, but Hitchens hasn't made one here.
@phaedrussocrates7636
5 жыл бұрын
His point with that was about shiteaters like you using such stupid comparisons to twist the issue.
@ikemreacts
5 жыл бұрын
You typed a lot of words, but did not make a point. What is it, or don't you know?
@ronno108
5 жыл бұрын
I have to agree, not Hitchens best moment.
@ikemreacts
5 жыл бұрын
@@phaedrussocrates7636 What comparison did I use in my statement, virgin?
@StephenPaulTroup
5 жыл бұрын
@@phaedrussocrates7636 To paraphrase Hitchens himself @ 3:13, when people start responding to your argument by calling you a 'shiteater', you know you're on to something.
@braemtes23
6 жыл бұрын
If I didn't know better, I'd almost think that Hitchens believed in 'original sin'.
@SuperIliad
5 жыл бұрын
Shh.
@elrondhubbard7059
5 жыл бұрын
Then you don't know better. I'm positive I've heard him talk about that very concept somewhere, and like with all supernatural matters, he thinks it's nonsense.
@gregt6587
5 жыл бұрын
@@elrondhubbard7059 I think you may be missing the point of the original comment by braemtes23. If I understand his implication, it is this, that "if by nature" inescapable "white guilt" exists...solely by virtue of being white, 1st: how does Hitchens himself exempt himself from its reality? 2nd: But no less salient, if the things that make for "white guilt" are not exclusive properties, dispositions, proclivities, practices of whites (is it only whites that have enslaved? raped? murdered? shown cruelty? transgressed in whatever measure transgression is measured) then in whomever else of "non whites" these are no less found...how are all then not guilty...for just "being"? It is a peculiar form of pride (if embraced) that any white would say..."we, of all, should have known better" And if non-white, no less (if all guilt belongs only to whites) as though saying "we alone are the guiltless, for we alone have practiced the 'knowing better'." But really...who has?
@elrondhubbard7059
5 жыл бұрын
@@gregt6587 Look, you've written out a lot here but I'm going to be short with my answer, simply be cause the entire foundation of your reasoning flawed. ""if by nature" inescapable "white guilt" exists...solely by virtue of being white, " I completely disagree with that. I am white, and I'm not guilty, nor do I feel guilty. Being guilty and acknowledging past injustices are completely different things. You can't go back in a time machine and fix anything, but what you CAN do is just not hold the same attitudes as those slavers did from those times.
@gregt6587
5 жыл бұрын
@@elrondhubbard7059, so do I completely disagree with that. That, if there be guilt, its assignment is to whites exclusively.
@jrbr549
4 жыл бұрын
This is the first time I've heard Hitch make absolutely no sense whatsoever. He's not even addressing the two basic questions: who pays and who gets paid?
@johnorona99
4 жыл бұрын
Way to broadcast to the world that you missed the point
@Russyda1
4 жыл бұрын
I wonder why this is the first time u disagree with him lol
@jrbr549
4 жыл бұрын
@@Russyda1 I don't understand what you are trying to imply. And I definitely don't understand the "lol."
@againsteternity110
4 жыл бұрын
In order for a fight to stop and peace to ensue, one has to be okay with being hit last, and the other live with being the one who hit last, or the fight will simply never cease.
@acarpentersson8271
4 жыл бұрын
Yes, and when victory is won, it is crucial that the victor declares victory and ends the war. If you win, but continue waging war, you will either begin the process of genocide, or provoke the other side to return to the war. Neither is good. It shows that peace and equality are not the prize, but domination, and utter destruction.
@Slimbones125
4 жыл бұрын
Terrible morality here
@againsteternity110
4 жыл бұрын
@@Slimbones125 It's an objective statement, not a morally virtuous position.
@chalky6844
10 жыл бұрын
Instead of paying repirations to blacks,why dont they use that money to build great schools in poor areas and educate all the poor how to help themselves
@taipan1234
5 жыл бұрын
Typical white supremacist they believe that black reparations should be passed out to all poor people something they would never say to a Jewish Holocaust victims. Fool, you did not enslave poor people you enslaved black people.
@user-mq8xg5sp9c
3 жыл бұрын
@@taipan1234 oh shut up lol. You sound so fucking racist by that statement. Seriously just fucking go away with that shit you dumbass ha.
@Gauge1LiveSteam
5 жыл бұрын
I've been paying reparations since LBJ's "Great Society" in 1965.
@theodorebrown978
4 жыл бұрын
White people was collecting that LBJ check dumbass
@anirudhmenon5085
4 жыл бұрын
@@baddog6003 are you native American? Just curious
@user-vl5qg5rf4n
4 жыл бұрын
@@baddog6003 >not realizing islam at one point conquered half of europe and all of northern and eastern africa. >not surprised at all basically what I'm saying is, if we had left them alone they'd probably be equal in terms of societal and economic development. Oh and they would all be arab more than likely. perhaps spreading so far that we were too
@Jay-ro2vn
3 жыл бұрын
I've never agreed with him on this. How do you make a person who never owned slaves pay respirations to a person who was never a slave. Makes no sense.
@AndyTomlins
3 жыл бұрын
Are you for a 100% inheritance tax? After all why should continous generations inherit millions they didn't work for? Funny how we allow what benefits us from the past be inherited but not what is deterimental.
@Jin-Ro
3 жыл бұрын
@@AndyTomlins That's a red herring. Hitchens just said in the video to not let people like you dodge the subject with what-aboutisms. So the question remains, why should Italians pay me, a Briton, reparations for slavery, when they didn't own slaves, and I was never a slave.
@alphatrion4365
5 жыл бұрын
A strong man can become a victim but it is the weakest man that can try to claim victimhood without fear of persecution. Meaning if you're really a victim, you wouldn't be able to whine and cry about it. If you're strong and independent, you would not be whining and crying about being a victim.
@JohnSmith-lm7ez
8 жыл бұрын
Hitch is wrong. He argued there is no longer a Babylon, yet there are contemporary people in Iraq that have a claim. Just because the name we call people, i.e. Babylonian vs citizens of Iraq, doesn't mean the people stop existing. With this said, where do we draw the line for reparations. Should we make the modern Italians, who clearly banked their exploitive nature into capital as Romans, assume some financial responsibility to the many peoples they aggrieved? It is one thing to realize a wrong, like the seizure of property, and try to correct it. It is another to place atonement on things as intangible as past profits.
@sstraxx
8 жыл бұрын
Lol , Ya, its "intangible " because we choose for it to be. Obviously there's not a dollar amount that can make up for what was done. But you certainly can ( & people have ) put an approximate figure on what dollar amount would be owed for centuries of free labor. In modern dollars we'd be talking about almost 2 trillion dollars . We are really good as Americans at figuring out shit we WANT to do. "If you can put a man on the moon".
@JohnSmith-lm7ez
8 жыл бұрын
Are you serious? Look just because I kinda look like someone that allegedly did some past crime doesn't make me accountable. This is an immoral place to begin your argument, because the presumption is racially motivated.
@sstraxx
8 жыл бұрын
I'm sure a line can be drawn somewhere. But I'm sorry my friend, we dont have to go back but 55 years to find total atrocity in this country in regards to African Americans. We're NOT talking about 2000 years ago. We're talking just 150 years for slavery & not until 1965 did Jim Crow,blatant discrimination, lynching ,inability to vote & real estate red lining begin to subside. That's just 50 year. Hitch knows his history & how we're just a generation away ( my father lived under Jim Crow as a boy....& my 101 year old grandmother was born in the deep south 1914)from many horrendous wrongs.
@sstraxx
8 жыл бұрын
+Philip Hennen So yes....I would say he's very "serious ".
@sstraxx
8 жыл бұрын
John Smith The whole country was built upon a foundation of "Race" John. There's no way to address the problem WITHOUT the subject being at the center of the conversation. You can blame our country for that one. Slavery & the 100 years of Jim Crow , lynching & real estate red lining, was all based SOLELY on "race". The people who were hugely affected by it ,we're African Americans. Don't know how you address the issue without addressing race. That's nonsensical. It's racist NOT to discuss. Because you're basically saying we should forget all the iniquities that still exist because of that history. Silly.
@chrisjensen9709
8 жыл бұрын
Why don't the people who feel reparations are in order, set up a fund, let all those with guilt donate, and then mete-out the proceeds to those who feel they deserve it? This would leave-out those of us who had not a thing to do with slavery alone, and maybe we could finally shut-up the element that has haunted us.
@chrisjensen9709
8 жыл бұрын
No, those who have unwarranted "Guilt" donate. NO-ONE alive today had anything to do with North American Slavery.
@stephenjoiner3738
6 жыл бұрын
In the words of the wise man: " Only a fool makes derision of guilt."
@maybepumpkins
5 жыл бұрын
None of us had anything to do with the slavery of centuries past. But many of us have benefited from it nonetheless. And as the speaker points out at 8:25, some of the profits of slavery are now held by public institutions.
@davidlindsay9564
5 жыл бұрын
only 1 in 10 in south owned slaves. Most of them owned only one. Thats 5% in all of the US then. Of the people alive today only 5% can trace themselves back to pre 1860s America, most have come from immigrants that came after that. so 5% of 5% which means there is almost nobody here who owes anybody anything.
@darkmadbat_
Жыл бұрын
I don't owe anyone anything
@ilkos853
4 жыл бұрын
how is this poppin in recommended right now :D
@robertsullivan4773
4 жыл бұрын
Because the subject of reparations has come up again.
@aelwyn1
5 жыл бұрын
Saudi Arabia should start paying reparations for the far more extensive Arab slave trading.
@dylanblack3279
4 жыл бұрын
You're still feeling spineless Christian guilt. Empires aren't built with white gloves mate.
@hogwashsentinel
4 жыл бұрын
To who exactly? The reason there isn't a huge underclass of descendants of the arab slave trade is because they castrated the males and took the women as concubines.
@aelwyn1
4 жыл бұрын
@@hogwashsentinel And the female slaves?
@hogwashsentinel
4 жыл бұрын
@@aelwyn1 took them as concubines as I said. Bred them out if you want to get technical.
@aelwyn1
4 жыл бұрын
@@hogwashsentinel You're wrong about all male slaves being castrated. Some weren't because those who were sometimes died. In 2010, about 100 baby boys died in the USA from a botched circumcision, a much less invasive procedure than a castration. An early sex change operation was done because of a botched circumcision.
@ServingChrist
5 жыл бұрын
Perhaps other speakers ventured into these areas but a few observations: 1. Mr. Hitchens claims the US should pay reparations for slavery but does not mention England should even though England started the practice in the US as early as 1619. The US was born into this practice and couldn't change things overnight. Yet, not a word about this aspect. 2. He frames the subject in ways that avoid important questions. For example, slavery was a legal practice. If it had been an illegal practice it would have been much smaller in scale. What precedent do you set if you punish people for doing something that was legal simply based on changing moral grounds? In addition, we have a practice in the West of not punishing the son for the sin's of the father or in this case the sins of the great grandfather being pushed on the great grandson. Except that doesn't even have it right because modern Americans have varying ancestry so only a percentage of their ancestry may have any tie to slavery if at all. This is all major departure from typical criminal and civil law so we would be creating a new precedent. 3. He ignores that genetic and/or other environmental factors are contributing to the existing divide rather than past issues with slavery. 4. Perhaps the biggest question avoided is will reparations actually heal the divide or will it widen it? Because if it becomes a practice it will create a lot of resentment and there will be repercussions that may be worse than the issue thought to be solved.
@jeffsim4191
5 жыл бұрын
Another thing he ignores... Most slaves from West Africa were captured and sold by West African's.
@charlesgradle286
5 жыл бұрын
Native Americans were screwed the most because the Europeans came in and took their land and their culture. So with this where does it end? Reparations is a dumb and dangerous idea.
@Lodatzor
5 жыл бұрын
@@charlesgradle286 *"1. Mr. Hitchens claims the US should pay reparations for slavery but does not mention England should even though England started the practice in the US as early as 1619. The US was born into this practice and couldn't change things overnight. Yet, not a word about this aspect."* Probably because the number of slaves owned in English colonies in the US was tiny, and also because the English didn't have slavery IN ENGLAND. It was something only done in the American colonies, and mostly in the Caribbean. So, why would England today be responsible for what American colonists did, especially after they gained independence from Britain before the slave trade even became as big as it was? Secondly, the British already paid reparations for the slave trade. It took them 200 years, but the British tax-payer paid off the cost of abolition. I agree with everything else you wrote.
@monicasuzette
5 жыл бұрын
@@charlesgradle286 naTive Americans already receive reparations. So do Jewish Peoples and japaneese..this is not something that hasn't or isn't being done .it is okay for everyone else but dumb for black desendants of slavery..
@BillGreenAZ
5 жыл бұрын
Charles Gradle There were only about 10 million Natives in America when Columbus arrived. They didn't claim the whole continent as theirs so very little of their land was stolen. The reason they were put in reservations is because they savagely killed innocent men, women and children who settled on land the Natives didn't claim.
@uptoncriddington6939
4 жыл бұрын
What a beautiful mind and voice. I may not agree with him, but I can admire his brilliance and fine delivery.
@ellystripes
4 жыл бұрын
Miss you always, Hitch.
@sudo_nym
4 жыл бұрын
His voice. His mind. Sad loss :(
@roquefortfiles
4 жыл бұрын
A razor sharp mind with a horrifyingly wicked wit. Good luck to who ever debates him. He will take you apart and you'll thank him for it
@Pantano63
3 жыл бұрын
Meh, we'll manage. We've managed, in fact.
@sudo_nym
3 жыл бұрын
@@Pantano63 I think you’re confusing irreplaceable with valuable.
@dimbulb23
5 жыл бұрын
The Devil is in the details. How do you calculate how much each victim class member was harmed in terms of dollars and how much each individual oppressor class member is culpable and how much he must pay.
@jeffsim4191
5 жыл бұрын
Moreover, which members are actually within the oppressor class and which were the victims. West Africans captured and sold the majority of the slaves that ended up in America. Gonna do Ancestry DNA to try and figure out if you came from one of the people that got captured or one of them that did the capturing? Or what if your mother's side was black slave trader, but your Dads side was a slave? what the hell you gonna do them? Or are we just going by how much melanin you've got and whites with ancestors who were surfs or another oppressed people that came to North America have gotta pay also? And on and on it goes.
@dubsspilly5864
5 жыл бұрын
@Dra O 2 weeks
@TheSonwu39
5 жыл бұрын
Duke Economics Professor William A Darity has some good starting points.
@juanlambda27
5 жыл бұрын
Did Hitch say the reparations have to actually be monetary? He does talk about the Federal Reserve and America's wealth but I don't believe he ever actually mentioned actual money. I think he is making a far more important point. One that still needs to be made and we need to be reminded of every time a Black person is killed unjustly by cops, every time a Black person is profiled by White civilians, every time a Black person is given a harsh punishment disproportionate to the crime they committed. Yes perhaps some money is in order but the question goes far deeper than mere money.
@2Brian
5 жыл бұрын
DNA analysis.
@phatbackbeat6553
5 жыл бұрын
Making people who never owned slaves give money to people who never were slaves will never happen.., nor should it.
@vasecore7508
5 жыл бұрын
I think the issue with most people is that my people were LIED to about reparations, and then brutally abused for the next 100 years afterward.
@phatbackbeat6553
5 жыл бұрын
ChristianDrums777 they were but we are a different nation now.
@vasecore7508
5 жыл бұрын
@@phatbackbeat6553 yeah but thise who had authority over us abused their responsibility. The repercussions of their choices that rippled through time warrant some kind of compensation.
@phatbackbeat6553
5 жыл бұрын
Reginald West we give Israel a lot of money to combat terrorism and keep the oil flowing to the USA 🇺🇸 That money is for no reparations .., it’s to fight Islam. 🤷♂️
@phatbackbeat6553
5 жыл бұрын
ChristianDrums777 the Nation has moved on from this “very dark period “ in our history .., so too must its people. Reparations, legally speaking, is unconstitutional. The Democrats know this, but they make these promises to try to buy votes.., just like free tuition or free healthcare. The 40 acres and a mule is not coming.., and it never was going to happen. It was a lie then and it is a lie now. Stop believing and depending on the Government. They do not care about individuals and freedom.., just power and votes ! 🤷♂️
@Patrick_B687-3
4 жыл бұрын
Can you imagine how nauseated he would be over the closed minded state of the university’s now!?
@sgtshard8280
4 жыл бұрын
Close minded? In what way?
@Warhero1171
4 жыл бұрын
Every university I've been to has overwhelmingly supported reparations for slavery. The close mindedness comes from the conservatives who claim that affirmative action is unfair and that minorities have equal opportunities despite statistics saying otherwise. I have a feeling Hitchens would be targeting Trump and the white nationalist movement that has accounted for at least 80% of all terrorist attacks in the United States since 9/11.
@sgtshard8280
4 жыл бұрын
@@Warhero1171 i agree with you. Ive heard shit like he'd be attacking these sjws but they didnt know him very well if they think that. He would be disappojnted in sam harris i think
@PlayNiceFolks
4 жыл бұрын
@@sgtshard8280 There is an anti free speech component in the SJW movement. Hitch would have opposed that part of it. Hitch was also a bit sexist, tho with some self aware irony.
@sgtshard8280
4 жыл бұрын
@@PlayNiceFolks its not anti free speech. They just protest. Freedom of speech under our constitution only means the government cant put u in jail for saying something. Unless its a threat. I dont particularly care for the sjw movement either but dont they have freedom of speech too? Freedom of speech goes both ways. It does not mean i get to say whatever i want but noone gets to say what they want back.
@YouTubeIsAssHo
9 жыл бұрын
To give the full story, the Africans who were taken to America were ALREADY slaves (captured in battles), and were TRADED - bought and sold - by Africans and Americans (and others, too). These were not free individuals who were kidnapped. None of these facts make the history any less appalling, but the facts do change the question of who, if anyone, owes reparation now in this enlightened age. It wasn't like stealing ancient treasure from Egypt. It was trade, not theft. So it is suggested that Americans owe "back pay." If they do, then does it not follow - logically - that Africans should compensate Americans for what is retrospectively a fraudulent sale? Africa's ancestors sold to America's ancestors what was passed off as free labour but were actually selling people who were entitled to wages. Or is it too much to recognise African responsibility in the slave trade? As someone who is neither American nor African, but is looking in from the outside, I can only conclude that no one is owed anything. Nada. Yes, slavery did exist in America, as it had done all over the world for tens of thousands of years (still does in some pockets), it was awful, but it was - in those times in history - open and contractual, mutual trading.
@spec24
9 жыл бұрын
Hear, hear!
@YouTubeIsAssHo
9 жыл бұрын
The Civil War was completely unnecessary anyway, from what I have read. Every country in Europe gradually gave up slavery voluntarily, without any civil wars, because in the world of growing technology - farm machinery, etc - keeping slaves was becoming economically unsustainable (maintaining machinery was becoming cheaper than feeding, clothing and housing slave families, especially machinery that could do the work of several men). Exactly the same would have happened in the American South in time, without the massive bloodshed.
@doodle0211
9 жыл бұрын
Wow, so because the slaves were considered trade goods in the African continent, that somehow allows you to disregard centuries of slavery on the American soil itself, sanctioned by the local/federal governments. I love how some people think that this is a logical argument. As well as the systematic oppression on blacks in the southern half of the country for another century following the civil war, effectively only giving them at best second-class citizenship.
@spec24
9 жыл бұрын
doodle0211 Since you're clearly not very good at reading and/or reading comprehension I'll repost just one snippet of Dave's comment: "None of these facts make the history any less appalling, but the facts do change the question of who, if anyone, owes reparation now in this enlightened age." You also point out, I'm sure quite unintentionally, that it was the gov't that endorsed, enforced, and enabled this barbarism for so long. Lest you argue that the people ARE the government it has been shown time and again that that is not the case. This is the internet, look it up. The government has no money of it's own. IT cannot give restitution, only the people can! What's not logical, doodle0211, is the idea that people who had nothing to do with the slave trade, nothing to do with the oppression of anyone, many of whom had ancestors that were not even on this continent at the time, should have to hand over money to other people who also were not victims of slavery, oppression, and who's ancestors also may not have been here on this continent at the time!! If you believe in reparations, as so many do, there is nothing stopping YOU from giving people whose ancestors may have been slaves money. However I doubt very highly that you will stand by your convictions and actually do that along with anyone else. No, you want government force to take money from everyone and dole it out as they see fit. That's justice to you.
@YouTubeIsAssHo
9 жыл бұрын
spec24 Beautifully put, Spec. Thank you.
@worldsgreatestimpressionis6462
5 жыл бұрын
I am pleased to see that some people realize the valid and salient point that reparations were paid in full in the form of human life during the Civil War.
@frankdawe5156
5 жыл бұрын
You are completely correct!
@rjlp128
5 жыл бұрын
Stinger4186 unfortunately, there’s no actual evidence of the Jewsbein in slavery in Egypt. That idea only exist only in Old Testament writings written by unknown authors. There is also no known Egyptian papyri or other records showing this took place either that in aware of, but I’m willing to be convinced otherwise if it can be referenced properly.
@joshtuk
5 жыл бұрын
Umm, bullshit. That doesnt payback trillions of dollars of free labor that built this country.
@themannameddan8876
5 жыл бұрын
@@joshtuk Let me place a little knowledge on you my friend. 1) 620,000 soldiers died in the civil war. 2) Roughly only 388,000 Africans ended up in North America, most of them ended up in the caribbean and south america. 3) There is no one specific "race" that built this country, Mexicans, Native Americans, Africans, Asians, Europeans.. Native Americans. 4) Around 75% or more of whites in America did not own a single slave. There were Native Americans who were slaves.. there were Native Americans who also owned African slaves. There were also Africans IN America who also owned slaves (including other Africans) There were also Irish "Slaves" (Since some people don't call them slaves, but they were essentially the same fucking thing), they were unpaid workers, some may have been criminals.. but this also happened to simply those deemed as "Undesirable." A lot of the Irish that were shipped over, were "arrested" by the British when Britain fought Ireland or Scotland.. and even though these irish and scots had done nothing wrong.. they were branded as criminals and "sold" into indentured servitude.. aka "slavery" Now do not get me wrong, what EVERYBODY endured back then at the hands of the sharecroppers, the land owners, and the european "leaders" who came over here and exploited people is horrible.. but at no point should 'we' as a people have to pay for crimes of the past. If that was the case, there's a LOT of history that needs to be undone by Americans, Asians, Blacks, Muslims, Mexicans, Native Americans, Chinese, Mongols, Europeans, Irish, etc.. My point essentially is that no one's hands are clean in this world, if you go back in your DNA far enough there's going to be dirt.. whether you are related to a european settler who helped conquer the new world, or you're related to The Ming Dynasty, The Yuan Dynasty, or maybe you have an African relative who was a warlord at one point during tribal times.. every culture has committed horrible atrocities.
@themannameddan8876
5 жыл бұрын
@Stinger4186 Thanks
@crypticTV
7 ай бұрын
4:55 actually can repaid 5:47 better to be in USA 6:35 was there a crime and can any of it be made good 8:51 free labour 9:15 what is owed
@robertsullivan4773
4 жыл бұрын
I can see his argument. But to my defense I say I wasn't here during the time of slavery in this country. My ancestors weren't here either they were starving in Ireland and being persecuted by the crown. You see a bill is due but who is to say who rightly owes the back wages..
@TheRealColt45
4 жыл бұрын
I struggle with that as well, but I think the answer would have to be we as a nation. We as the United States permitted the practice and as a result, millions of Americans were never paid for their labor.
@jandrews6254
3 жыл бұрын
Doug Colt goodo then, can you now pay all women for their unpaid and lower paid work?
@jongreenaway6025
3 жыл бұрын
J Andrews that’s what Birmingham city council did. That’s why it had to sell all its assets 😂
@Octavian2
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheRealColt45 might seem reasonable if you include white slaves as well
@conradblack779
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheRealColt45 you live in the most prosperous nation the earth has ever seen that's your reward for your ancestors suffering, every country and civilisation on earth had slavery why would America be the ones to pay?. More Europeans were taken by the barbary slavers than african slaves were taken to the American colonies. Cuba had twice as many African slaves as America. The Vikings enslaved lots of Irish and Scottish approximately 62% of the Icelandic maternal gene pool is derived from Ireland and Scotland. People from Scandinavia do not owe us Irish and Scots anything. During the height of the Irish famine where millions starved to death grain was stolen from Ireland by the Crown and sold to the American colonies Neither the British or the American colonies who benefitted owe Irish people anything today. Everyone could stake a claim that they are owed something butt that's not how the world works we are not on the hook for something our ancestors did or didnt do
@jimjuarez3495
5 жыл бұрын
I miss HITCH! I never knew I was a CONTRARIAN until I started "observing" him!
@MathTutorVideos
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, he sure does believe in ORIGINAL SIN of what our forefather's did.....for someone who doesn't believe in the ORIGINAL SIN concept of Catholicism. I would imagine he justifies this by saying original sin in Catholicism is the original sin of a fictional character whereas the original sin of reparations is a real person from over a hundred of years ago in most places.
@darellcanup681
5 жыл бұрын
He was one confused individual. I would have loved to have a one on one chat with him over a cup of coffee. His views were so backwards and easily refuted that I could have taught him a lot in a very short time.
@williamjameslehy1341
8 жыл бұрын
There are no pharaonic Egyptians? But there are classical-era Greeks? Even if you dismiss Egypt's Muslim Arab majority as having broken continuity with their ancient ancestors, the country's significant Coptic minority are unarguably the carriers of their country's ancient culture. Every bit as much as the Greek Christians of today are of their own country's legacy. This is really a terrible analogy, especially coming from Hitchens.
@kundakaps
6 жыл бұрын
Jacob Hoss Modern Greeks at least speak a similar language to ancient Greeks. They have in way or another had continuity in the the same geographical locations. The pharaohs ruled over many millenia (some pharaohs were Nubians) and different groups have ruled this part of the world and leaving their legacy, including the Greeks. Modern Egyptians speak Arabic and identify more with Arabs from Arabia in terms of what they hold dear and important. Greeks on the other hand still identify with the ancient kingdoms.
@darksydesamy
6 жыл бұрын
Coptic and Muslim Egyptians are exactly the same. Just different religion.
@ItsameAlex
6 жыл бұрын
Hey Jacob, murd kk owned you, but you wont reply will you?
@robappleby583
6 жыл бұрын
The Elgin marbles were stolen quite recently from Greece, not in the classical period.
@alistairmuir5521
6 жыл бұрын
It is a needless argument too. The Rosetta Stone is not a stolen portion of a work of art. Its historical significance isn't even innate - it's only interesting due to the fact that it permitted the translation of hieroglyphics. Its relevance to the modern population of Egypt is no greater than its relevance to anyone else - regardless of how many Coptics or Pharaohs still live.
@Bigfishfun333
Жыл бұрын
Should reparations be the offering of one-way tickets back to the mother-land that they wish their ancestors had not been removed from? Since America is apparently so bad, and their mother-land is so wonderful?
@ermingtonplumbing442
4 жыл бұрын
My earliest Ancestors in My home country of Australia were sent here against their will as Irish Convict slaves. Do I deserve Reparations or does the colour of my skin make me not eligible?
@devinmichaelroberts9954
4 жыл бұрын
liar.
@ermingtonplumbing442
4 жыл бұрын
@AridMy oldest ancestor was sent here for the charge of " uttering unholy oaths" meaning he was suspected of belonging to an organisation sworn to resist and oppose British rule in Ireland. (eg like the ribbon men) If membership could be proven death was the sentence. For Suspected resistors confiscation of property, Transportation, whipping and slavery was dished out by the English. He would have hated the British Empire as much as any Indigenous Australian ever has.
@jacksynth271
4 жыл бұрын
Arid Ned Kelly's father was sent half way round the world to break rocks in the scorching sun because he stole pigs to feed his family, so you think he deserved it because he was a criminal or is it because he was white?(hint: it's the latter)
@moffettcoates6455
4 жыл бұрын
Arid had nothing to do with race but vulnerability instead.
@Weirwood256
4 жыл бұрын
The Irish actually do deserve restitution from the British dude, because they KILLED a bunch of them
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