“We have to remember that what we observe is not nature in itself, but nature exposed to our method of questioning.”- Werner Heisenberg That quote sums up Isham's main point.
@cloudlessrainvisions3264
Жыл бұрын
Great quote
@sbardle
3 жыл бұрын
Ive watched many of the closer to truth videos, and this is the best. I think Isham is right to focus on category errors but at the same time Thomas asks some very incisive questions. It's a wonderful project and long may it continue.
@Jarnagua
8 жыл бұрын
"Rationality is overrated." LOL! So true. Scientific atheists would have us all living like Vulcans, but humanity is so much more than just being rational. In fact, most of our daily existence and our choices are not rational at all. Reason is paramount, of course, but it is not the only mode of thinking and being. Just like you wouldn't use your feelings to solve a soduko, so to inversely you don't use science to find God.
@TravelingPhilosopher
5 ай бұрын
Reason can sometimes be an instrument of desire. We are much more than our reason.
@aishwariyasweety2433
4 жыл бұрын
Ok chris isham is very cool, perhaps one of the coolest alive.
@sonamoo919
2 жыл бұрын
Is atheism all matter of reason or is it also matter of will, so that you can first become an atheist in will and then your reason simply serves what the will has chosen?
@TheRivoluzione
8 жыл бұрын
I like that Christopher Isham ends with the word "arrogance". It sums up the scientific world.
@Ploskkky
4 жыл бұрын
It sums up theistic superstition even better.
@TheRivoluzione
4 жыл бұрын
A.Plosky Hardly. Equating theism with “superstition” is one thing. However it is well known that superstition doesn’t stem from arrogance.
@lewis72
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheRivoluzione It does when theists label their particular brand of superstition as the Truth, with a capital T.
@TheRivoluzione
2 жыл бұрын
@@lewis72 I think you weren’t listening; the scientific world as a whole claims to know the path to the Truth, with a capital T as you say. Such claim should never be made. It is why the possibility of the Beyond is proclaimed.
@lewis72
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheRivoluzione "the scientific world as a whole claims to know the path to the Truth" - What IS "Truth" with a capital T ? - Where's your evidence for your claim ?
@Techno.love23
4 жыл бұрын
when you are the only scientist that believes in god and look desperately for arguments for god's existence but still you can't argue without commiting a lot of fallacies!
@theapexfighter8741
3 жыл бұрын
What? How About Francis Collin, James Tour?
@mycount64
7 жыл бұрын
god - there is no need for that hypothesis when applying the scientific method.
@Gatorbeaux
4 жыл бұрын
this scientist says there is and he is on par with Hawking and way above Dawkins or Krauss....so its not the science, its the difference in worldview. and how they interpret it
@Gatorbeaux
4 жыл бұрын
@Stefano Portoghesi isham is at least on par with those guys- go check out his CV---
@Gatorbeaux
4 жыл бұрын
@Stefano Portoghesi if thats all you measure a scientist by then no.But many great scientists don't have nobel prizes. actually 99% don't so your argument is pretty lame. and 60% of all nobel winners since 1900 have been theists. fun fact
@Gatorbeaux
4 жыл бұрын
@Stefano Portoghesi this isn't the truth. the98% number comes from the 2000 old atheists that make up the academy of science(basically a club for 85+ old heathens that haven't done anything in a lab since the 1970s(Richard dawkins ring a bell?) but the number of scientists who believe in God are much higher and doctors is even higher(over 50%). the real fact is that those atheists scientists grew up in atheist homes. it didn't have anything to do with evidence it had to do with what they were taught by their parents or peers. (much like i was) but I came around and learned the main facts behind both science(as a former scientist) and the facts of the resurrection. These both brought me to God pretty quickly. apparently you must not have heard this evidence or do you try and deny it exists? because I'd love to help you if you're open to hearing about it?
@Gatorbeaux
4 жыл бұрын
@Stefano Portoghesi think what you want. You can easily verify(if you're after truth0 but let's face it, you aren't......
@ishyandmikkischannel8811
Жыл бұрын
Lucky that Isham was my professor and also my supervisor at one point
@TravelingPhilosopher
5 ай бұрын
Scientific method is perfectly coherent with different traditions. There is a difference between scientism (the view that only that which can be scientific proven is real, or an exaggerated belief in the method of science in contexts that are inappropriate) and science. Science cannot tell us about morality because it is beyond its scope.
@theophilus749
7 жыл бұрын
Science is a tool of investigation; religion is not. They do not compete on the same playing field, even though they both have things to say about reality. Thus, to expect the same criteria to be employed in both science and religion would be inappropriate, perhaps just a little crazy. It would be like complaining about ballet because it's not football. ("I can't understand all that ballet business. Those darned ballerinas don't even _try_ to score goals.")
@blancaroca8786
2 жыл бұрын
blanca roca hace 0 segundos Chris Ishams advisor was Abdus Salam.. but how can Isham recognize and appreciate all religions but then choose just one, christianity? Mad scientist?
@theoblivionlord
9 жыл бұрын
Heres the reality of the situation: why even think about and desire the existence of something theres no proof of? what difference will someones life make by including god into it? an entity most cant explain, describe, visualize or fathom? if you dont know what this "god" is, then dont talk about it; and most of all dont think about it, because its damn near close to not existing in the first place. In addition to that God seems like the metaphor for wanting more in life; like some excuse to believe in anything satisfying you.
@Roy__Batty
9 жыл бұрын
Did you watch the video?
@cocoarecords
9 жыл бұрын
+The Oblivion Lord "something theres no proof of" then how did all these constants /laws pop into existence? accident? or a multiverse?
@theoblivionlord
9 жыл бұрын
Roy Batty Yes, and?
@theoblivionlord
9 жыл бұрын
cocoarecords The Multiverse is a likely hypothesis. Then again the constants or the fine tuning argument is outdated; if theres a god then can god create life in any constant of the universe? if it can then where comes the argument of fine tunning? if it cant then god is bound to the laws of physics, in which case its a matter of defining god as the best naturalistic explanation i.e the multiverse.
@cocoarecords
9 жыл бұрын
The Oblivion Lord so you are saying since these constants exist god cant create life since he is bound to these constants that he made?
@SeanMauer
9 жыл бұрын
Even as a Christian I would have to agree with the host on this one. If the events in the bible are true there would have been physical mechanisms behind them. For instance, Jesus could have walked on water if he had access to the mechanisms (mechanisms currently unknown to science) that would enable someone to walk on water. Perhaps he had a way of polarizing his atomic spin states, there could be any number of as of yet undiscovered mechanisms.
@anrose8335
4 жыл бұрын
Well then, he sure must have been a helluva show-off, knowing future "mechanisms currently unknown to science" yet not having the decency to share how to cure disease or grow back missing limbs, etc. with this supposed superior knowledge.
@merrybolton2135
2 жыл бұрын
Scientific is on the hole not arrogant , it is the human that thinks this universe was made just for him by god [ now that is arrogance to its highest degree ]
@anrose8335
4 жыл бұрын
It's strangely odd to me that both these men, as smart as they undoubtedly are, not once refer to the existence or non-existence of a goddess, given that the existence of one (or more) was almost globally believed in for thousands of years before any male god or gods were thought to exist, that is, if findings of archaeology are to be accepted. :))
@anrose8335
4 жыл бұрын
@@rubiks6 I care about the way people think and why. To me it's interesting.
@Ploskkky
4 жыл бұрын
The theistic fantasy world has been taken over by the power hungry among the human apes. And most of those are men. In their narrative a male representation of Power serves their shady purposes better. A smart god would have sent his daughter to save humankind, but no... it had to be a man sending a man... because in the mind of men there always needs to be the threat of ultimate male violence. If you do not obey the male god, he will rape the world, he will mass murder, he will slaughter, he will torture. Obey sheep, obey.
9 жыл бұрын
Two otherwise intelligent coherent people reduced to babbling nonsense by superstition.
@Mathswart
9 жыл бұрын
postmodernism
@louisuniverse
9 жыл бұрын
Christopher Isham's exemple shows that even if some humans had the capacity to experience religious stuff it would still have to be coherent with everyone elses reality. If everyone was blind and only I could see, I would have the capacity to see a spiky rock, for example, and tell the blind people, that something spiky is coming. It's as simple as that. I would, as a scientific, propose a statement, which my fellow blind man could or not validate with experimentation. The scientific method would work for anything that is based on reality. Religion is just not real. we would know by now.
@GreaterDeity
9 жыл бұрын
+louisaahh What is reality? A better question, is what is reality to you? Religion is not real, yet it exists. Sometimes I really wonder about KZitem.
@micheal74rich
9 жыл бұрын
@Closer To Truth Can you please post something that Islam has contradicted science?
@stayedfaded
8 жыл бұрын
+micheal74rich en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buraq
@micheal74rich
8 жыл бұрын
***** there is no reference in the wiki article. On the side note, Jewish, Christians and Muslims believe in angels, which hasn't been proven by science, it does not mean it could not exist or one cannot believe in such angels, just because it was not proven by science and some degree some believes do not to be proven by science.
@1974jrod
5 жыл бұрын
micheal74rich Hasn't been disproven either
@jonmeador8637
4 жыл бұрын
Wow. This guy’s really uncomfortable answering the questions. It’s clear when people - even scientists who are believers - get defensive and nonsensical when justifying their beliefs.
@aminkanji5074
9 ай бұрын
Like I see dead people 😢
@god_damn9661
7 жыл бұрын
Khun sometimes is boring and old fashioned!
@1234nateman
7 жыл бұрын
dr.occultum Immortal I agree completely.
@shadowlink6703
8 жыл бұрын
00:00-00:27 Jew?
@IronCharioteer
9 жыл бұрын
HAHA! Kuhn makes Isham squirm.
@5tonyvvvv
8 жыл бұрын
Isham is  brilliant! Because hes not an atheist hes ignorant..There is zero evidence for any multiverse!
@IronCharioteer
8 жыл бұрын
5tonyvvvv At one time there was zero evidence for Relativity, atoms, photons, quarks, the strong and weak nuclear forces, Quantum Mechanics, radio waves, x-rays, etc. etc. etc... But given time for equipent and experiments to evolve we eventually found evidence for those things and now we all use the applications of those ideas regularly. Tell me though... The idea of "god" has been around for how long? And what kind of evidence has ever been produced? What experiments have ever shown the existence of a "god"? How many PRECISE predictions has religion made that have been confirmed? (And no, predicting "war and rumors of war" is not precise.) Just you typing that comment from wherever you are on the planet and me seeing from where i am provides more evidence for (and demonstrates the validity of) science/physics than all the religions of the world, in all the history of the world, put together can provide evidence for a "god". So, i will bet on a multiverse ANYTIME over a "god" because physics has a proven track record of getting things right. It may take time, it may not get it exactly right the first time around, but it DOES get it. And your reply to this post will provide more evidence for the validity of science than all the theologians in history of the world can muster for belief in their "god". So go ahead and reply, keep demonstrating the validity of science; like you just did.
@5tonyvvvv
8 жыл бұрын
Iron Charioteer That's Materialism of gaps!! The multiverse is blind faith speculation! Just like one saying there may be a God! Atheists want to have their cake and eat it too!
@IronCharioteer
8 жыл бұрын
5tonyvvvv Not a blind faith speculation. Its based on current physics and mathematical theories. It is a mathematically and physically based hypothesis to a current problem. I, personally, have no opinion on the validity of the hypothesis. But i will put my money on a math/physics based explanation to a problem over a "god did it!" explanation any day because the validity of math and physics is demonstrated every day (in fact, you just demonstrated the validity of math/physics by replying to me). The same math/physics theories used to create your computer are encompassed in the hierarchy of physical theories that fall out of multiverse theory; they're also encompassed by string theory and various other theories.
@Gatorbeaux
4 жыл бұрын
@@IronCharioteer the problem is (3 years later) we are no closer to finding your origin problem being solved than we were when the big bang was confirmed in 1929 as the beginning of the universe. Whoever says there is no evidence for God hasn't looked very closely to science. the fine tuning argument hasn't been debunked(not even close) neither has the cosmological argument for God. Science reveals God as you need God to do science. Look at the complexity in DNA. 3.2B letter word that forms instructions in each cell(we cannot even make an Iphone correctly without updates every week !lol) but in some pond in the primordial soup proteins formed by chance and time? do you understand the improbability of this happening naturally for just one protein to form by chance over time? it is impossible. Not improbable and that alone is proof of a designer and creator. If you got a 3 letter word in your alphabet soup you'd be on Oprah in 20 mins but a 3.2B word that directs your cells to create the masterpiece that is YOU is somehow "goo to the zoo to you?" hahahaha Nice! Now i used to be an atheist biologist 30 years ago but it didn't pay much and I don't kiss ass) but DNA alone started me on this journey and I can say without reservation that I am a christian if through nothing but science and history(Jesus life/death and resurrection). The interaction with the holy spirit(many years later) just confirms my faith and proves it.(now I don't use the Holy spirit when I debate as to not preach and bring emotions into this. But when God actually speaks to you, the game changes a bit.......ask any christian and they will describe miracles in their lives based on praying as well as changing from the inside out for good(in most cases, there are alot of fake Christians out there as there is with any group of people) please don't dismiss things that you haven't observed or "believe in" you have been guilty of naturalism of the gaps" we have no explanation so we must not follow the evidence where it leads and if it has religious ramifications we must close the door on that answer. Trust me, if they dug up Jesus bones and did a dna test, i'd be the first to " eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die" but I am 100% sure that's not going to happen(or maybe not 100% but the probability is VERY high based on the miracles I have witnessed and what God has told me directly.
@doubletapm4
9 жыл бұрын
google image "Salvation for dummies"
@tigno323
9 жыл бұрын
Wow never knew there could be stupid smart people
@SpencerThayer
9 жыл бұрын
I don't think that's fair.
@Caligula138
9 жыл бұрын
You feel this is a stupid conversation?
@cocoarecords
9 жыл бұрын
+tigno323 care to explain how is he considered stupid? Just because his ideas contradict yours?
@GreaterDeity
9 жыл бұрын
+tigno323 Explain.
@anrose8335
4 жыл бұрын
@@GreaterDeity Notice how really stupid people don't have the vocabulary or smarts to explain?
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