David "Dai" Duckham, great player, sad that he passed yesterday. A try, lots of tackles and a save in this match. Top man all round.
@MahlerHolic1860
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely right.
@MrGaultier68
Жыл бұрын
Have only ever seen highlights of David Duckham. My God what a truly magical player. Beautiful to watch in full flight. R.I.P.
@agnostic47
Жыл бұрын
My first rugby heroes were Duckham and Ripley. They both scored in this match. Both shamefully underused by England in an era of selectorial indecision. Now both, sadly, passed.
@wobblertv8083
10 ай бұрын
He'd be worth a fortune today ...What a Exciting player .
@garymacdonald7165
Жыл бұрын
Amazing to hear Bill McLaren again!
@certificate98
Жыл бұрын
There’s an enthusiasm evident in this match that has been lost within the modern game. Much more entertaining than the borefests we now must endure 😂😂😂.
@ldfreitas9437
Жыл бұрын
I have to witness one of these borefests today as an AR at Stanford University v UC Santa Barbara.
@simonwoods8809
7 ай бұрын
As I type this the corresponding match is being played at Twickers but I'm watching this instead. Too many replacements, crooked feeds at the scrum...
@melbeeswax6087
Жыл бұрын
Aside from the great players. Let's take a moment to remember Bill Mclaren.
@garywagner2466
Жыл бұрын
That’s the era in which I started playing rugby. We all had those haircuts. Love the huge numbers on the jerseys. Seeing an international match was very rare. No arm waving, muscle spasms, or other delays when taking a penalty kick. No group grope if a try was scored. No fecking about in the scrums. No town hall meeting, massages, or dressing room palaver at half-time. Just get on with it. I bet modern rugby would love those massive, boisterous crowds. You didn’t have to mortgage your house to buy a ticket. Thanks for posting.
@Wolfsong27FlyHalfFullHeart
Жыл бұрын
As an English man I can definitely see how great of a fly half Phil bennet was, truly an accurate brilliant rugby player.
@MrGaultier68
Жыл бұрын
Awe yes Phil Bennett R.I.P. One of the all time greats. Watched him on TV in my childhood. A magician!!
@TheNotrac
7 ай бұрын
Modern penalty kickers should note how little time he needed to take the kicks, and without liquid refreshment.
@dtriverside8559
9 ай бұрын
Great seeing such fluid rugby, the noticably quick place kicking, quick scrums. So much more watchable. And still rugby's true comradary immediately after the match.
@vantheman1238
Ай бұрын
Too many people involved in the game today who have never played the game. The officials have ruined it. Plus dare I say this women have ruined the game. The female involvement has sterilised the game of rugby. People will call me a misogynist, however, watch the magnificent simplicity of this rugby match and tell me I am wrong.
@alitob5911
Жыл бұрын
I recall Mr West being a pretty terrible referee, and not just in this match. Apart from the disallowed try and blowing up for a Wales penalty when they had they ball in the clear, he missed about a dozen forward passes or knock ons in these short highlights alone. Still great to see. From penalty award to restart took about a tenth of the time it takes nowadays. As to scrums, probably about a twentieth!
@mattemmett8805
Жыл бұрын
Time to let it go Ali!☺. Great to revisit. Although, the game was unstructed then, it was more enjoyable to watch and play? ... ..at 18.02 ref stands to the side to check for spacing in the line out; just brilliant!
@alitob5911
Жыл бұрын
@@mattemmett8805 I'm sure time will heal eventually!!! 😉 I'm still droning on about a couple of things that went against Scotland in the first match I ever went to... 🏉 I love the speed of play and its unstructured chaos. Also, the massive penalty kicks with sopping wet leather balls off muddy ground 👌
@ldfreitas9437
Жыл бұрын
@@alitob5911 Hey, it was a better game then. Now rugby union looks a lot like league, and all those multiple phases from phony rucks can put me to sleep. I ref, still, at 68! I'd rather do women's games because it's usually a bit helter-skelter. Men? They just run into each other and play to that one boring pattern; that is exactly what World Rugby seems to want. Defensive lines have ruined the game. It's as though "safety" won out and "freedom of expressing oneself in play" lost.
@ldfreitas9437
Жыл бұрын
Yes, twice he should have played advantage. I referee by the way. The worst example of not playing advantage by a referee in a high level game has to be David Bishop, the New Zealand referee, during the Scotland v England match in 1990. He totally screwed up and blew early more than just twice, like at least half a dozen times and at some critical times when if he let play go there was a chance for a major movement of ball if not a score.
@alitob5911
Жыл бұрын
@@ldfreitas9437 Totally agree on that. Who wants to see a match when half of the 80 minutes is one side or the other camped on the opposition 5m line and another 20 minutes is devoted to resetting scrums or battering away at each other just like Rugby League. And don't get me started on forward passes! 🤯
@thoughtfulprofessor4198
Жыл бұрын
RIP David Duckham
@simonnoel649
Жыл бұрын
So much has changed in the game, improvements like 5 points for a try and your own throw-in from a penalty kick to touch. However, compare how quick the scums were back then and penalty kicks to the posts...The modern game so needs to up the pace of play and remove the many long delays.
@ldfreitas9437
Жыл бұрын
Are they improvements though? I liked the four point try, and thought that regarding penalty kicks, drop ones should be worth three points, placed ones two. Yes, there are so many delays in games now, but there's more injuries. I read quite some time ago, in the 80s, that the increase of weight lifting, if anything, was leading to more injuries, because athletes were less wiry and more muscle bound. Then there's the way the game is played now: more contact, and that means more concussions.
@LeighRichards27
Жыл бұрын
Dont think the team with the penalty getting the ball at the throw in has improved the game. It just encourages monotonous line outs five yards out - previously a side wudve had to run those penalties.
@Wolfsong27FlyHalfFullHeart
Жыл бұрын
People running out on the pitch at the end of the game is just so wholesome to me, it’s a shame people don’t do it anymore it made the win more inclusive to the side that we’re successful it’s like they were sharing their victory with the spectators
@ieuanwilliams5728
Жыл бұрын
Da iawn.
@barneyburnham2673
Жыл бұрын
Try telling that to the groundsman!
@Wolfsong27FlyHalfFullHeart
Жыл бұрын
@@barneyburnham2673 il give em a tap on the noggin next time I run past em
@mickyboy223
Жыл бұрын
I was there, aged 13, with my Dad. We were convinced that JJ got his hand to it first. It happened directly in front of us.
@nickcastings1568
Жыл бұрын
As an Englishman, I have to say, I think Wales were robbed.
@davidw.robertson448
Жыл бұрын
JJ certainly seemed to think so.
@yadevolkram
Жыл бұрын
I was there too, at about your age. I was at the far end, and didn't get a good view. What I did notice was just how quickly Duckham was overhauling JJ though.
@LeighRichards27
Жыл бұрын
Seeing it at the time i felt very aggrieved (and fully bought into the max boyce song about short sighted irish referees). But the more ive looked at it since i think duckham may have got a hand on it just as jj was about to ground it. Certainly thats what the late (great) david duckham always maintained and he was always scrupulously fair and honest about things.
@ysgol3
Жыл бұрын
@@LeighRichards27 Did he - that negates the comment I just made🤣 - I agree 100% that the great Duckham was a man of absolute integrity.
@colinjones7741
Жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear of your passing David, RIP.
@johnneal5616
Жыл бұрын
I would love to know the percentage of time the ball was in play then compared to now.
@ldfreitas9437
Жыл бұрын
Funny you mention that. The claim is that the ball is in play more often with the law changes made in the last twenty to thirty years. I don't believe that one bit. And think of all the wasted time with scrums now. Having said that, I refereed a game this past weekend, in rain (Central California), and the gals (women's match) didn't mess about and formed scrums quickly on my call. They always do. It's the guys who mess around and play games at scrum downs. It's also the one area of play that if there's quick ball from a scrum, with the backs at least 10 meters away, there's a good chance of shifting the ball out wide. So, the defending forwards know this and seem to rather give up a penalty than have the other team advance the ball and possibly score a try. That's what I see from the many penalties that are called in those premiership games that sometimes get televised here in the USA. There's that bald guy prop who plays for Leicester who always seems to be pulling his opposite number down and getting caught.
@tomdavies6368
Жыл бұрын
Lower. There were far more lineouts and scrums per game back then. Far, far more. High phase counts were rare.
@tomdavies6368
Жыл бұрын
@@ldfreitas9437 You don't have to believe it, but it's true!
@martynadams2011
Жыл бұрын
I am honoured to have been sidestepped by the brilliant David Duckham in a match at Franklins Gardens. We managed a try each so I’ll count that as a win. RIP Sir David !
@ysgol3
Жыл бұрын
LOL, great comment!
@melbeeswax6087
Жыл бұрын
Great to see some proper highlights of these games with full passages of rather than just the tries. There was plenty of Rugby Royalty on that pitch. Fabulous
@qman2261
Жыл бұрын
Rugby was so much better as a spectator sport before it turned professional. Of course a professional side now would easily beat an amateur side (fitness, strength, defensive drills etc etc all optimised when players devote the whole week to training) but that doesn't mean the game has improved as a spectacle. Now the pitch is effectively smaller, fewer gaps, fewer broken tackles etc tends to provide less of the exciting running rugby shown in this video. The people running the game were seduced by the money and now enjoy bloated salaries, and broadcasters reap massive profits, but IMHO millions of fans now are left with less entertaining matches.
@montyf2165
Жыл бұрын
Well said. Show this youngsters who only know the modern game and they see how exciting top class Amateur open rugby really was. So very dull now.
@bobbytreetop1701
4 ай бұрын
Amateur Rah Rah . The great myth and lie .
@chriswright9096
Жыл бұрын
Fascinating to watch and see how big the differences are to the modern game. I'd say modern pros are a stone a man heavier (not that that makes the game more entertaining necessarily). Lineouts were a real lottery back then. And see how quickly the scrums formed and the penalties were taken. Being from the era of the kicking tee, I'm in awe that they kicked the ball so well when it was 1/8 buried in the mud.
@Metal0maniac98
Жыл бұрын
I know the rules weren't the same back then but still that referee was really suspect lmfao. Anyway pretty great and interesting to see 5 Nations matches highlights from nearly 50 years ago.
@patrickols
Жыл бұрын
It look’s like a totally different game than today, i find it more interesting, much faster pace than today’s game which seem to stall many times
@Metal0maniac98
Жыл бұрын
@@patrickols Yup it's really not the same and really fast paced like you said. The big negatives of this period compared to the Professional Era though is the absence of TMO, No Subs were allowed, the Referee could rob you easily like here with the Welsh, the players were not well protected and the Rucks & the Touches were literally a Free-For-All. Anything could happen in there and the referee cannot notice it.
@tomdavies6368
Жыл бұрын
@@Metal0maniac98 No TMO, no tactical subs - these are positives not negatives! The big difference was that forwards used to commit to breakdowns, rather than all fanning across the pitch.
@Metal0maniac98
Жыл бұрын
@@tomdavies6368 It depends on your view on it. I don't think it's a positive but I respect your opinion on it regardless. However, we can agree that some things they were doing before were better than now though.
@kentimmins9171
Жыл бұрын
That WAS a JJ try!
@brickie55
Жыл бұрын
I'm English but I have to say it looked like he got to it.
@robertboyle2573
Жыл бұрын
That try for JJ Williams looked fine to me.
@philipmarsden7104
Жыл бұрын
Mr West, the honorary Englishman.
@noelball5289
Жыл бұрын
Blind Irish Referee, he was absolutely atrocious that day. Worst ref in the 70s!. He made sure Wales' lost, so Ireland could get the championship. Was a clear try by JJ Williams under the posts.
@bertie6358
Жыл бұрын
Was lucky enough to walk past Jan Webster as I turned up for trials at The Reddings. Even luckier to see David Duckham play for the Baa baas, there’ll never be another like him.
@jerryfriend7489
Жыл бұрын
I always thought it a great shame that Andy Ripley didn't play more for England. For some reason his face didn't fit. But he was a great No.8 and all round athlete. Interesting to see wings throwing the ball in at line outs and also interesting that both scrums and line outs were much more competitive than today. Now you really shouldn't lose your own scrum or line out as the ball is never straight.
@nickcastings1568
Жыл бұрын
So good to see the kickers place the ball step back then run and kick, no pussyfooting about wasting time.
@ArchieFatcackie
Жыл бұрын
What was going on there? That English side looked more like a Welsh side than the Welsh!!
@paulthomson2288
Жыл бұрын
not sure if the scrums were as tightly packed as the spectators...
@mesnilman2327
Жыл бұрын
"I am an entertainer and I sing for charity for Oxfam and for Shelter, for those worse off than me Bangladesh, Bernardo's Homes and though I don't get paid It does one good to do some work for things like Christian Aid But of all the concerts that I've done for the homeless overseas the one I did that pleased me most was not for refugees T'was for a home in Ireland that stands amongst the trees The Sunshine home in Dublin for blind Irish referees" Max Boyce didn't forget (and neither do we)
@mesnilman2327
Жыл бұрын
Should have played advantage for Phil Bennett, and that was a try to JJ every single day of the week.
@harrynewiss4630
Жыл бұрын
Probably England's best performance in the 5 nations in the 1970s. Amazing what they could do when something like a sensible side was picked.
@LeighRichards27
Жыл бұрын
But for a andy irvine 50 yard special in injury time england would have shared the championship that season with ireland - and 6 months before this they beat the all blacks in new zealand. This england side - built as it was around the great coventry side of the day - was a much better team than their results wud suggest.
@TheNotrac
7 ай бұрын
This was their first victory over Wales for eleven years, and their only victory over Wales in the 1970s. One absentee from the Welsh side was JPR. @@LeighRichards27
@davidw.robertson448
Жыл бұрын
Today's game is one for the referees. It is a constant series of whistles and then of course the setting of the scrums.
@expressoevangelism80
Жыл бұрын
A wonderful period of rugby characters with wonderful skills. It was just a bit unfair that France and Wales had most of them. England certainly had a few, who flourished for a while. I wonder how those game situations would be refereed under todays ruling authorities?
@johnnerding8551
8 ай бұрын
How lovely to see referees not wearing 'rainbow shirts' !!!
@davidw.robertson448
Жыл бұрын
I am always amazed by the size of the crowds.
@SupremeBros2012
Жыл бұрын
RIP Dai of England 🏴 and Phil Bennett , Andy Ripley, Jan Webster , Mervyn Davies , JJ Williams and others I may have missed Great to see these 5 N highlights of the 79s and 80s I wonder where one can get archived of these matches for history buffs like myself On a side note , Wales were robbed in the end there Thanks for the upload
@Wolfsong27FlyHalfFullHeart
Жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t say they were robbed, both sides played brilliant rugby
@pauldurkee4764
Жыл бұрын
John Pullin the english captain in this game, I believe he passed away a couple of years ago. Some people say England didn't have the players in the 70s, that English back row of Andy Ripley, Peter Dixon and Tony Neary, top class players.
@rawschri
Жыл бұрын
@@pauldurkee4764 They had the players, but the selectors were shocking, chopping, changing, bringing players in for one cap, then dropping them ... John Burgess, the Northern Division Coach eventually brought some sanity to things, culminating in the North beating the 1979 All Blacks, 21-9 at Otley. I can still name the team .... White, Simpson, Cotton, Sydall, Beaumont, Utley, Neary, Dixon : Smith, Old, Slemen, Wright, Bond, Carlton, O'Brien ...
@barnaby5548
8 ай бұрын
Sad to say, but as you are probably aware JPR Williams left us on the 8th.Jan.2024.
@lost_boy
Жыл бұрын
Looks like Wales were robbed!
@horrortackleharry
Жыл бұрын
Haha I wondered if Alan Old was related to Chris Old, the England cricketer, as they look similar- turns out they are brothers.
@stantheman5657
Жыл бұрын
They’re brothers. Chris would’ve prospered in today’s limited overs cricket world.
@agnostic47
Жыл бұрын
Their ambition was to be playing in Test matches at the same time. They achieved it when Alan played against Scotland at Murrayfield, whilst Chris was playing against the West Indies in the Caribbean
@neilcarpenter2669
Жыл бұрын
England were generally terrible in the seventies mostly because of poor selection yet they managed to beat SA and NZ away from home and beat very strong French and Welsh teams over a two year period, what a waste of talent that decade was for England.
@gezcampbell-smith4806
Жыл бұрын
And Australia. For a short while, despite being awful, England could somehow claim to be unofficial world champions in the mid 70's! Although the Wooden Spoon in '76 brought that moment to an end very swiftly!
@Erdnase23
Жыл бұрын
Robbed.
@MartinJG100
Жыл бұрын
17:00 I never considered Duckham to be an out and out speedster, more a play maker, striker and finisher but he certainly showed a clean pair of heels in corner flagging back to counter JJ Williams' touchdown try that was not awarded.
@ldfreitas9437
Жыл бұрын
And JJ Williams was the one with the track and field background. I don't think he made an Olympic team, but was on Commonwealth teams.
@yadevolkram
Жыл бұрын
Looked really quick.
@agnostic47
Жыл бұрын
Duckham had a long stride and was much quicker than he looked. He was very rarely beaten for pace.
@MartinJG100
Жыл бұрын
@@agnostic47 Indeed, and combined with his strength, balance and that outrageous sidestep, he was a formidable back. Just a shame he did not get more decent ball at a time when England struggled. If the Welsh boys rated him he must have been OK :).
@ramthian
Жыл бұрын
❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉
@ldfreitas9437
Жыл бұрын
I didn't know that JPR Williams missed a match! I have to say that I like the old laws better. If anything, the penalty giving the non-offending team the throw in at the lineout means that there are way, way less tap penalties taken. Perhaps that law should be amended for foul play only, as in a high tackle. If it's a less serious offense, the lineout on a punted penalty into touch goes to the offending team. And for crissakes, get rid of this goal line drop out! I notice that still, in 1974, the wing was still throwing in. Touch judges wearing blazers too. Classic.
@TemazepamParty
Жыл бұрын
I was wondering why JPR was not playing, as well. For him to miss an England game he’d have to have been missing a leg or something…
@ldfreitas9437
Жыл бұрын
@@TemazepamParty I have his autobiography. I'll check to see if he was injured.
@LeighRichards27
Жыл бұрын
Wales only lost to england twice between 1964 and 1981 and poor roger blyth had the misfortune to play in both of those games.
@vantheman1238
Ай бұрын
Roger Blyth played for Wales after JPR retired, never realised he played for Wales in the Seventies. This is a forgotten game too……England beating the mighty 1970s Welsh team albeit without the great man at full-back.
@douglasmiller8641
Жыл бұрын
One of the rare occasions when England managed to get close to their best side out. Alan Old was our best fly-half across the '70's but played for unfashionable clubs and wasn't regularly picked. Jan Webster a good scrum-half and David Duckham an all-time great of the game. And of course some terrific players in the pack. England had beaten New Zealand in NZ in '73 and South Africa in SA in '72. It was downhill from here until 1980 with bizarre selections and outdated practices.
@7antonerasmus331
Жыл бұрын
Hi rugby buffs. In 1974 Alan Old was touted as a possible tourist to South Africa with Lions, but I think was injured. Imagine that Pullen, Duckham and Old never made the tour. Scary indeed!
@seanharrington730
Жыл бұрын
Would have martin cooper at fly half instead of old
@ldfreitas9437
Жыл бұрын
Alan Old beat the All Blacks in that mid-week encounter in Yorkshire in November of 1979, for Northern Division. Tony Neary was on that team as well, and Steve Smith, who was on the team that beat New Zealand in '73. So was Peter Dixon and Fran Cotton.
@yadevolkram
Жыл бұрын
Steve Smith was listed at no 9 in the matchday programme.
@yadevolkram
Жыл бұрын
@@7antonerasmus331 I thought he got injured on tour.
@admiralbenbow5083
3 ай бұрын
OK it was only 25% of the game but England played ""unusually"" well, because generally they did not. Ive still got the programme for this one somewhere up in the loft
@ysgol3
Жыл бұрын
Great game, though this was the 'blind Irish referee' famously referred to in a Max Boyce song - why on earth was JJ Williams's try not given?
@jonathanhopkins4042
Жыл бұрын
some good Rugby but what a shocker by John West, firmly in the tradition of completely incompetent referees
@ianmckenney9080
Жыл бұрын
His tins of salmon were pretty ropey too!!!
@RickTaylor-d8u
7 ай бұрын
I was there, memorable for the fact that they only played God save the queen and not both anthems. We sang it anyway. Not mentionedxany more!
@LeighRichards27
Жыл бұрын
Seeing it at the time i felt very aggrieved (and fully bought into the max boyce song about er... short sighted irish referees). But the more ive looked at it since i think duckham may have got a hand on it just as jj was about to ground it. Certainly thats what the late (great) david duckham always maintained and he was always scrupulously fair and honest about things. That said john west not playing the advantage when wales had a clear run in for a try was a very poor decision. You have to feel for poor roger blyth - wales only lost to england twice between 1964 and 1981 and he was wales full back in both matches. In contrast JPR, who missed this match and the 1980 defeat, was never on the losing side in 12 appearances against england
@brendangallagher8087
8 ай бұрын
Waht i would say is that on the evidence of htee higlights Blyth has a pretty decent gameother than his poor pass to Gerald just before half time
@philippankhurst6680
3 ай бұрын
Some of the greatest players of the amateur era on show here, together with the greatest commentator of any era...
@richardjones3826
4 ай бұрын
Great to see lots, of high tackels, no messing about with the kicks and scrums, nice
@candidodemanchuria6
9 ай бұрын
1:23 England fielding Ringo Starr!
@Muesli711
Жыл бұрын
@4:12 I thought referees in this era wore the colours of their home nation?
@robertevans8010
Жыл бұрын
If you need to see a referee bought off watch this. What a farce!
@rohp1283
Жыл бұрын
That Williams try should have stood.
@williamweir1547
Жыл бұрын
Dusty Hare when he had hair 😁😁😁
@Wolfsong27FlyHalfFullHeart
Жыл бұрын
1974 my sister was born just a year after this match, Damn She’s old 😂
@markorollo.
Жыл бұрын
I was born in 74, I would have to agree lol
@agnostic47
Жыл бұрын
Those of us that watched this match are thinking "My God, that game was almost 50 years ago. Damn I'm old".
@johnbell807
Жыл бұрын
Referee cost Wales 2 tries.
@n-tertainmentx-tended4760
Жыл бұрын
The players were a lot smaller back then.
@agnostic47
Жыл бұрын
Real people who had real jobs instead of being gym bunnies. Props weighed 16 stone instead of 20.
@mortalwombatproductions2560
Жыл бұрын
Wales was robbed
@rawschri
Жыл бұрын
I'm English and West was a shocker of a Referee, for both sides ....
@jayturner3397
Жыл бұрын
RIP TO All who have left us now
@willhqAUS
Жыл бұрын
Interrupted by too many ads... poor video.
@SupremeBros2012
Жыл бұрын
That’s not the fault of the upload but KZitem requiring membership
@lennylaa1686
Жыл бұрын
No ads if you download from Vivaldi, Brave and Opera. Change your browser.
@kquat7899
Жыл бұрын
Good job cleaning up the video.
@wobblertv8083
8 ай бұрын
So many stars in the 70s,in every team .
@brianhart5620
Жыл бұрын
Davies offside for his try
@waverunner3911
Жыл бұрын
You can see why the RFC spent years trying to make the game more faster and interesting to play and watch,, to much waking around in those days and not actually playing
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