update on the crucible .... although it were only 50 grams, i managed to melt copper in it. it had a very good viscosity, indicating that it is possible to melt copper and also to pour it from this crucible. temperaturemust have been at least 1100 degrees celsius, but i guess it may have not been higher than 1200
@JeffyNguyen
8 жыл бұрын
That "lung" blower you improvised is an amazing idea
@luciusirving5926
11 жыл бұрын
I think I just found the best recipe for refractory crucibles. Hopefully, it might be good for putting a hamon or temper line on my kiridashi. 40% clay+60% firebrick grog? Very genius recipe indeed, thanks man.
@SunRabbit
9 жыл бұрын
You don't even need the fire clay (chammotte), you can just use regular clay. Just make sure it's fired up just like he shows in the video. Don't use artist's modeling clay because that contains oils. Buy regular clay. I was lucky in that there is a big clay deposit on my property which I mined myself. The house had been built where a pottery workshop had been in the 1300s because the clay was right there. I used a 2- step process. I dissolved the clay in a bucket of water (about 1 part clay 3 parts water) and passed it through a fine sieve to get out all the little rocks. Then I passed it through 4x layers of linen rags and let the bucket sit for 1 day. I then decanted as much of the water as I could, then did that again. This was done to get rid of the soluble salts. Then I let the bucket sit in the sun for about a week until it was bone dry. To make the crucibles I used pretty much the same method as in the video. Once they were dry I put them in the oven @ 100C, I hour, 150C, 2nd hour, then for 2 hours @ 250C. While they were still hot I fired them up in the smelter and only 1/4 cracked. You can use them for Cu, CuZn, Zn, ZnAl, Sn, Pb, and of course Al. Never did Fe. If you can't get clay, you can pretty much find it anywhere. Easiest is to walk alongside a river or a stream and look out for patches of beige in the shallow water. Run that between your fingers, and if it feels slimy and sticky, that's clay.
@lvd2001
7 жыл бұрын
How long is the crucible fired in the smelter for? Thanks
@XXTechMoXXNew
7 жыл бұрын
Are you sure dude? I was melting lead in my own foundry with a steel pot as my crucible and it broke and I lost all my lead. I do not want to buy a graphite crucible because im cheap. but is regular clay REALLY works and wont crack under temps up to 2000F that would be amazing. Please tell me if this actually works.
@SunRabbit
7 жыл бұрын
Yes it does work and I have done this a couple of times but I've never used it for anything higher than brass. I'm surprised that your steel pot broke but it may have had an internal defect that snapped it due to the temperature change. Using regular clay for a crucible is not something I would do anymore unless I was using enough protection where a breakage in the crucible wouldn't result in serious injury. When I was younger I took way too many risks in metalwork and had MANY close calls. I'd use regular clay only as a mold because it's easy to form but that's about it, and only in a sandbath, and with low-melting metals like brass or aluminium.
@XXTechMoXXNew
7 жыл бұрын
Wow dude. Thanks for the advice
@tomjeffersonwasright2288
7 жыл бұрын
I have melted lead in a food can, no big deal. If you want something more permanent, an aluminum cooking pot is good for lead. No need for a foundry. You can melt lead with a cooking pot on a stove, or outside on a Coleman type stove. Uneven heat can break cast iron, and have seen it break a steel saw blade, Even heat is the trick.
@lvd2001
8 жыл бұрын
I should have watched your vitdeo. I had a crucible - after melting Alum - I removed it from the oven and let the metal cooled in the crucible - I cracked 4 - crucibles after a few burns. Thanks for the information - I will follow your method and use the cracked crucibles to make the new ones. Thank Ypu so much for your posting
@MrMoneyHustler
11 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. I love how informative, quick, and to the point it is ... wish they were all like that!
@wachako4065
8 жыл бұрын
Made a crucible of clay today :) I have a lot of dry clay outside my house I smash it up with a hammer until its very fine then mix some water until its like workable, shaped it into a crucible and waited a day to dry. I then fired it in my charcoal furnace. :) works!!! thanks!
@nickskarvig8925
Жыл бұрын
That was a fantastic video, and i intend to use your instructions to make myself a crucible for casting bronze now.
@carr60ick
13 жыл бұрын
Well done, giving me lots of ideas to recover scrap silver. Max Keiser reckons silver will reach $500/ozt, so this DIY set up looks a good investment. Thanks again for all your help :)
@phxtonash
9 жыл бұрын
what a great video, very well done. I love your billows, I use a leaf blower or air compressor and they work great, but they use electricity yours is awesome. I subscribed . thank YOU
@latemnetlom
11 жыл бұрын
Excellent, but where do you obtain the unfired fireclay? I use "assay crucibles" which are ordinary "mullite" fireclay composition and are not expensive- they're used as disposables for doing ore fire assay analyses. One mullite crucible has done many, many bronze/brass melts and shows no signs of damage, needs no special dry storage etc.
@naabtalschmied
11 жыл бұрын
i have some fireclay which is standing 1800° celsius for a long time. is it possible to mix it with the firebrick? which temperature does your fireclay stands???
@MsBlacklabel1
12 жыл бұрын
do you use software for the voice or is this your own voice?
@thedesertartist
10 жыл бұрын
very informative video sir,.. thank you for sharing your knowledge
@lvd2001
8 жыл бұрын
Just wondering - Can the crucibles be reinforced with some metal wire insert while being made ? Will that be internal stronger and can have more strength?
@fedaikn
8 жыл бұрын
+Liem Duong the wire is most likely going to crack the crucible open because it will expand when hot, far more than the ceramic material.
@lvd2001
8 жыл бұрын
You're Right - They have different thernal expansion rate - Thanks
@spanishflew
11 жыл бұрын
that sir is a perfect video. has all the info i want and easy to follow
@iainohalloran42
7 жыл бұрын
Hi hope you don't mind me asking you would it be ok to swap the water with glass water or water glass I forget which way around it goes. kind regards Iain
@barkulator
11 жыл бұрын
That was EXCELLENT holy cow thanks! Don't worry about your voice, that was great!
@dadsradride
10 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your knowledge, many insightful points in the practice of high quality crucibles!
@dojosai
12 жыл бұрын
brother u are a genius,I do not understand English well,but I will make one. FABIO MORETTI(GOLDSMITH) SÃO PAULO-BRASIL
@adrianw7238
9 жыл бұрын
thank you very much for such a great video. you guys helped me a lot with my crucible making project
@itanc1
3 жыл бұрын
Superb video dood! Really useful for my day tomorrow. Got fireclay, got grog, cast one half of a crucible press mould I’ll try and send you a link if I get that far. Thanks for the help👍👍
@kevincronin60181
8 жыл бұрын
I'm looking to make a crucible / bowl, larger than yours to melt glass in and I have a few questions, if I may ask? Ceramic clay and foundry clay are they the same? Can Ceramic clay / bowl be reheated to 2300 degrees multiply times without it cracking? Thanks in advance for any info. Kevin
@DonQuichotteLiberia
10 жыл бұрын
That's one of the most informative, thought-through videos I have ever seen. I didn't understand why the crucible is not suitable for aluminium though. What would you use to melt aluminium?
@biggoldnugget
9 жыл бұрын
a steel crucible is what you use for Aluminium
@tolgaoztemur
10 жыл бұрын
Hello in my region I don't have acces to fire clay, or I don't know where to find It. I am not in US. For crucible, can I use, clay, or powdered fire brick? or graphit from pencil. may be ceramic...?
@fedaikn
13 жыл бұрын
@Robkat3751 thank you for the information, unfortunately i have not found the video you refere to. could you post the link to it?
@sridewahamza4182
11 жыл бұрын
Hi can this crusible melt most type of metal? And would a bigger size crusible work?
@fedaikn
14 жыл бұрын
@fly2000jtb the amount is variable but a good mixture is 40% fireclay and 60% crushed firebrick. use crushed firebrick, do not use sand as it will melt at about 1000 deg celsius and compromise the crucible. i have used one of these crucibles for more than 7 bronze pours. it got a bit vitreous on the inside because of the borax used as flux for the bronze. if you need help write me. good luck and be careful with it !
@harivignesh7374
11 жыл бұрын
for melting aluminium, which crucible would be more suitable 1.clay graphite or 2.procelain
@nochannel1000
7 жыл бұрын
Can this crucible melt copper? If not, what do I need to mix with the fireclay so that it could melt copper? Would Silica Sand improve it?
@rvdp6191
7 жыл бұрын
I'mHungry it can melt anything with a meltingpoint liwer than iron
@nochannel1000
7 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thank you. God bless.
@Scry999
11 жыл бұрын
Where can u get these types of clay powders. I checked home depot for them and they dont have it?
@dgamezonu2693
12 жыл бұрын
Could I substitute the fireclay and grog for EPK kaolin and calcined alumina?
@en2oh
Ай бұрын
Any thoughts on making the crucible using sodium silicate instead of water?
@grayem76
8 жыл бұрын
i brought fire clay more than 5 years ago i kept trying to make things out of it but it always fell apart will compressing it stop this or grog and making sure its not too wet
@luciusirving5926
11 жыл бұрын
I wonder if I can use 60% volcanic grog like pumice, which is the cheapest igneous rock in Mexico. Imo, it's a good substitute for perlite. I need to make bag bellows like yours as well.
@luciusirving5926
10 жыл бұрын
Been thinking of incorporating some straw ash in the clay to see if that helps.
@AnasAnas-bc8sy
2 жыл бұрын
مرحبا قول لي ايش المواد كم حراره في الفران والف شكر لك
@fedaikn
11 жыл бұрын
it may not work. i have read on the internet that the melting point of pumice is around 1000 deg celsius. i recommend you test both, a piece of refractory mix made with pumice and a pice of pumice in your furnace. just heat it to the max temperature you can reach and see if it melts. if it does, you have to look for a substitute. remember the firebrick, yu can always use that one. i recommend you take some time and build a box bellows it is better than the bag one, on the long run of course
@Blueravan
9 жыл бұрын
will this crucible withstand temperatures necessary for smelting steel?
@fedaikn
9 жыл бұрын
i guess you mean melting. well, no. this fireclay is rated for 1100 deg centigrade. for melting steel you will need higher temperatures and the crucible will become mush. search on some forums for blademaking where they talk about wootz steel, maybe you'll find out what type of fireclay to use.
@user-xk5uu6yk5q
8 жыл бұрын
+fedaikn +aubrey smith That's not true. Clay is REALLY hard to melt. It's like trying to melt a rock or sand. You need insane temps. Like plasma torch temps. I've gotten clay crucibles to glow. I've used them for hours inside of a furnace running at well over 2000F (1100C) with the coals touching it. Only thing that may happen is that they could crack as they cool down. I've made them before by hand, but it's kind of a pain. To be considered fire clay, it must have a minimum melting point of 2759F (1780C). Way over 1100C. High grade fire clay won't melt until 3227F (1775C). I just go to home depot and buy small clay flower pots. They cost less than two bucks at home depot. Steel melts at 2500 degrees and it gets soft even before that. Which is why I use clay. I'm afraid the steel crucibles will get melty or soft and slip out of the clamp I use them to remove the crucible from the furnace. If I crack a clay crucible from letting it cool down from such a high temp, usually I just repair it with more clay and fill the crack. It's not like patching something, because it just becomes the pot. You want clay that is as red as possible. The more red the clay, the more iron it contains. You're going to need clay, because steel melts at 2500F (1510C). Iron melts at 2750F (1370C). A 250F window is way to narrow for my liking in terms of safety. If you used an iron crucible...by the steel is melted nicely and stirs easily...you're getting to the point where the iron is going to get a little soft. If that shit slips out of the crucible clamps...you're going to set the ground on fire. Even pavement would light up and you'll never get the steel off of the ground unless you're furnace and pouring station is on dirt/grass. You should buy some high end fire clay that won't melt until at least 3000F.
@fularas
10 жыл бұрын
foarte fain!!! unde pot gasi materialele necesare?
@wjackstl
7 жыл бұрын
excellent video, a lot of great advice
@softservejazz
13 жыл бұрын
This dude rules.
@piron416
11 жыл бұрын
ceramics make the best crucible for most of metal melting it is cheap and easy to make at home.
@Scry999
11 жыл бұрын
what did he grind was it fire brick? and where do you get grogities? t :D:D:D:D:
@fedaikn
12 жыл бұрын
i used to melt silver and bronze with it, either for casting ingots or for casting figurines
@sgransar
7 жыл бұрын
I searched and searched for a video like yours!
@luciusirving5926
10 жыл бұрын
You're right fire bricks are better than pumice and can help my yellow clay withstand forging temperatures.
@kamakshaiah
Жыл бұрын
Very good video. Can we use borax while melting gold?
@wiai21
11 жыл бұрын
is there a recipie that says how to make fireclay
@mandrac2
9 жыл бұрын
are those types of crucible ferous rated?
@MsBlacklabel1
12 жыл бұрын
can I melt steel in this crucible?
@NaClO3
12 жыл бұрын
Hello, great video, what is the recipe of the crucible?
@zacparker2858
11 жыл бұрын
could i use this to make Casting Molds
@davidrice9995
7 жыл бұрын
@fedaikn, Thank you for this great and informative video. I like your accent. Where are you from?
@vercingetorix6950
7 жыл бұрын
If it is improper for melting metals what is it good for?
@Altcapball
10 жыл бұрын
I am considering building a large tilt style furnace, and I found this technique for making a cruicible intriging , however I wonder if you think it is concieveable to build one of these big enough to melt multiple gallons of aluminum at a time?
@j.hatter8787
9 жыл бұрын
I think you might be better off using stronger materials
@kekebalucci2092
8 жыл бұрын
especially if you wanna build big stuff you can have your rolled into sheets and along with some hollow sections and angles you can make a boat
@richyearle007
7 жыл бұрын
Cool..Nice work.
@killop141
11 жыл бұрын
will brass work in this
@fedaikn
14 жыл бұрын
@panzuman i found the silver price to be about 18 USD per ounce, of course that goes only for fine silver or 99,9% pure silver. to make jewelry you need 925 silver and that should be a bit cheaper. go to silverprice . org my crucible is really small, i guess it can hold about 200g of silver. because it is so small it is less subjected to fail because of uneven heating. no idea if your propane furnace heats it to quick, just try and see what happens.
@hobomnky
14 жыл бұрын
great video
@daddyfatsack68
11 жыл бұрын
so is it just made out of clay
@dienommerisdydelik1619
11 жыл бұрын
how do you make a crucible for platinum ?
@17881ful
9 жыл бұрын
THANKS
@jstuyfzand5467
9 жыл бұрын
What refractory is your crucible made off?
@pisoivasiloi3889
9 жыл бұрын
salut daca mai ai ocazie sa te uiti la comentari te rog sami spui mai precis toate materialele folosite de tine la fabricarea acestui creuzete poti sami scri tot asa cum team scris ieu sau pe meilul meu ca io nu anteleg engleza si nu am anteles ce ai folosit ati multumesc
@razeensiddique1339
7 жыл бұрын
Can you describe that bellows a bit more wanna make one
@hangblague
9 жыл бұрын
Any reason why you couldn't throw this material on a potter's wheel rather than force-molding it?
@fedaikn
9 жыл бұрын
i have no potter's wheel but you can try it with just the fireclay, i think it will work.
@AS-ug2vq
3 жыл бұрын
Hand shaping will bring air bubbles into it, unless ofc you've compressed the clay with a screw extruder or hydraulic press before shaping. This is why professionally made pottery cracks less than what you make at home, most people can't knead the air out of it and hydraulic or screw extruders solve this problem
@hushpuppygmailcom
9 жыл бұрын
thank u
@Froddofromtheshire
11 жыл бұрын
I love your bag bellows! Mine are made of duct tape.
@buder5116
8 жыл бұрын
can this crucible melt copper ? dont wanna waste so much on graphite crucible :S can i use the clay found in earth ? home deopt sell some of them xD
@Bearfoot-e3e
2 ай бұрын
It's important to ram it on all sides.
@THEDRAGONBOOSTER8
9 жыл бұрын
Thank you, very interesting..
@javiergarcia---
8 жыл бұрын
where you get the grock?
@ponkiebonk
7 жыл бұрын
i think the process of gradual heating is called proving
@Iraqi1995-3
Жыл бұрын
شكرا لك ❤️
@putzprisma7917
7 жыл бұрын
Can you use chamotte mortar instead of fire clay?
@ayereese7535
8 жыл бұрын
how do you make that pump thingy
@ryannlarge8414
8 жыл бұрын
It is literally a bag with a pipe and two sticks.
@fedaikn
12 жыл бұрын
probably not. the crucible will fail at about 1200 deg centigrade. you have to find something else for the steel
@dienommerisdydelik1619
11 жыл бұрын
and gold
@VictorOnyegbado
9 жыл бұрын
how did u make tha bellows.
@fedaikn
9 жыл бұрын
Victor Onyegbado i made them out of a plastic bag. it's quite simple and straight-forward, used only the bag , some wood sticks and scotch tape. watch this video watch?v=Ut3pXPyMze4 , it should help explaining
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