At the end of this video I list some creators that I think are influenced by Clear Line-style. Do you agree? Which artist or comic book would you add to the list?
@arandomcollectionofstuff.2470
Жыл бұрын
Definitely Garen Ewing from the UK and, possibly, Grant Morrison? Then there's Rutu Modan from Israel and Sara Glidden from the US, and Armitage & Green who published Daisy and the goldbug variation which is very Tintin-esque. Oh, I nearly forgot one more, I have a book called A Jew in communist Prague which is by Giardino. The art is really well done.
@claudiomariotti95
Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for this interesting video 🙂 I find some influences also on the works of Chris Ware, Guy Delisle, Andi Watson (Book Tour) and Seth (Clyde Fans).
@analogcomics
Жыл бұрын
@@claudiomariotti95 I thank you for reminding me about Chris Ware and Seth! They were absent from my ever growing shopping list. Not sure why but now that error in my life is fixed.☺
@earlgrey862
Жыл бұрын
Excellent video as always... and it helps me to get my own ideas about "clear line" straight(er), even though they are still a bit fuzzy I have to admit. Actually I'm a bit hesitant to separate the Marcinelle and the Bruxelles- school as clearly as you do... in fact: Maurice Tillieux and Jije for an example are quite "ligne claire" to me.... as are some of the other "funnies" from Dupuis ... it depends, I guess... ... these little loopy speedlines are maybe the "signature" part of clear line -comics for me Never knew or thought about who coined the term, that's interesting, and speaking of Joost Swarte (and Yves Chaland): I find these hip, "modern" (now already) rather retro stylists quite interesting because they indulge and almost mock the characteristics of clear line. Good points about Darrow and Moebius... Currently I read the new collected edition of "January Jones" by the Dutch Eric Heuvel: 100% true retro Hergé style - nevertheless flawless, "modern" storytelling & great fun... but I better bite my tongue now, because it's probably not translated into English (nor Finnish)
@analogcomics
Жыл бұрын
Thanks💪The line between those two schools is - as you say - not that defined. The division was seen more important and "obvious" when Tintin and Spirou magazine started competing against each other. Now that we are looking at these two styles from a distance of many decades certain similarities are easier to spot. Also, Roger Leloup had his Yoko Tsuno published in Spirou and not Tintin. Jije definitely had his hands in both styles. He was also considered father of Atom style - a new variation of Clear Line. You mentioning Maurice Tillieux reminded me there is now two album hardover collection available in Finnish...I believe you´d vote for getting that? Personally I don´t care about correct labeling of styles but I do enjoy spotting influences here and there. It´s quite similar to music actually where influences can sometimes be heard clearly or cleverly hidden. I won´t mention how jealous I am again of that Eric Heuvel comic as it´s not available here. I could mention that I am jealous of it but I won´t. You comment gave an idea for a video about these styles...If I do it I will need to link your Tintin magazine video to that also. It´s a great piece of evidence.
@earlgrey862
Жыл бұрын
@@analogcomics it was quite a coinicidence that your video and mine "aired" at the same time... great minds think alike :) as to Tillieux: yes, I would recommend highly to pick up his Gil Jordan comics (his earlier efforts like Marc Jaguar probably not so much). And as to the writing in Blake & Mortimer: I was not a big fan of it either... actually I thought I really don't like these comics at all, but probably it was due to an older translation (into German), now I have a new, much better one & it flows nicely. Even though: too much words are still too much words ... but now I can see some charm in Jacob's storytelling.
@analogcomics
Жыл бұрын
@@earlgrey862 I think we’re being watched. My hard drive blew up delaying my video to come out at the same time as yours. Most conspiracy theories are less convincing than this. I love Jean Van Hammes wordiness. That’s why I’m planning to start from his Blake and Mortimer stories. Also all the album covers of that series are alluring.
@Nikioko
4 ай бұрын
When you are talking about Ligne claire, you must not forget about E. P. Jacobs, who along with Herge was the most prominent cartoonist using this technique.
@analogcomics
4 ай бұрын
Very true. This year I started(again) buying back Blake & Mortimer albums and been enjoying them more than ever.
@NeuroSquire
Жыл бұрын
Another great video where I learned so much. Thanks for sharing 👊
@analogcomics
Жыл бұрын
This type of comment means a lot to me😊Thank you. I had techical issues and had to edit this video twice so nice to hear it was worth it🤘🏻
@joxer96
Жыл бұрын
Outstanding video! Thank you so much for diving into the basics for us, your hard work in producing these videos is truly appreciated. I can’t wait for the next episode! 👍🏼
@analogcomics
Жыл бұрын
Thank you😊 European comics deserve the attention. I have several more planned for this series. But the next one will probably be something else and more personal. Will take some time though as next weekend is the Midsummer Festival - it’s the night when sun doesnt set at all. Cheers🤘🏻
@icecubescomicstrip
5 ай бұрын
Clear line was NOT invented by Herge!! It was taken from George McManus. Herge stole the style directly from McManus (he even admitted it). He actually copied characters straight from "Bringing Up Father" and some Tintin secondary characters are direct copies of McManus drawings. McManus style evolved at the time along with Winsor McCay from the Arts & Crafts movement, which in Europe was called Style Nouveau or Art Nouveau. This evolved from the needs of the posters at the time to feature bold outlines that could be printed on large posters (Mucha). So the style came both from Europe and the US, but it was first used in comics in the US in early 1900 newspapers.
@analogcomics
5 ай бұрын
Herge was(most probably) also influenced by Shin-hanga woodcut print style from Japan which was trendy in Europe during those times. Most European comics artists were heavily influenced by American comics right before and after WW2, even those drawing with Marcinelle School-style(my channel has a video about that too). They did not try to hide it as even the way they chose their pen/artist names was copied from US collaegues. The same goes with Hergé. His real name is Georges Remi and Hergé pen name is his reversed initials RG in French pronounciation. I agree about him being influenced by the creators you listed. This is well documented. I just wouldn't call being influenced - or inspired by something - stealing. If you are poet, musician, painter etc. you cannot escape being influenced by something that came before. You can only create from what you know and have. It's like the discussion of who invented heavy metal music. Black Sabbath is most often stated as the starting point but there will always be some music lovers who bring into discussion other names like Jimi Hendrix or point out to certain songs like The Beatles Helter Skelter. I'd say Black Sabbath is the answer and other names listed here are "just" influences knowing well that there isn't one undisputable truth to this issue. This all means I cannot say you're wrong. I can only say that I have different opinion about the starting point of Clear Line. As with most artists Hergés style evolved throughout his career. He started out with a style that was rougher than what came after. His American influenced style evolved into something new and that was named Clear Line. Thanks for bringing up this detail. These discussion add a lot of extra value to videos and give interested readers even more things research.
@Bobster-r2b
Жыл бұрын
Wow! What a fascinating video. I didn't realize how many details, in the clear line artwork, that I was missing. My goal for the next few weeks, will be to re-read some Tintin; Yoko Tsuno, and Blake & Mortimer albums, with a fresh perspective, and appreciation, of the artwork. Well done!
@analogcomics
Жыл бұрын
Inspiring someone to read is a big compliment🤘🏻 It seems you already have a sizeable Clear Line collection. Happy reading. And as mentioned in the video you can enjoy influence of this European style in many foreign comics too once your eye becomes sensitive to it.
@nicholassmart4790
Жыл бұрын
I was discussing linge claire comics with some cartoonist friends just this week, good timing!
@analogcomics
Жыл бұрын
I wish I was there eavesdropping😄I love comics talk.
@danielg.w5733
Жыл бұрын
Jason Lutes is definitely an artist in the clear line tradition
@analogcomics
Жыл бұрын
I agree 100%. Berlin is one of those books I can’t explain to myself why I haven’t read yet. Mr. Lutes has even stated himself that Tintin has had a big impact on his style.
@desper2011
4 ай бұрын
Sorry for my english. Well, in late 70s and in the 80s, there was a sort of revival. They called it "ligne claire", "atomic style", "nueva línea clara"... Joost Swarte, Yves Chaland, Serge Clerc, Ever Eulen, Daniel Torres, etc. It hit hard in Spain, they printed a specialized magazine in this style for years: "Revista Cairo".
@analogcomics
4 ай бұрын
Strange coincidence. I just bought two Roco Vargas albums by Torres💪🏻I haven’t read them yet but they do look very nice with slightly updated Clear Line style.
@desper2011
4 ай бұрын
@@analogcomics It´s «Ever Meulen», sorry. Roco Vargas is pretty postmodern stuff. Run around the adventure and sci-fy genre tropes, and the concept of Progress . The protagonist has two identities, one as Armando Mistral, sci-fy writer and owner of the Cabaret Mongo, and Roco Vargas, space pilot and aventurer, in an alternate and retrofuturistic Solar System.
@carstenmaat4653
Жыл бұрын
Very nice video! I'm currently reading "SUSKE & WISKE - De Blauwe Reeks" by Willy Vandersteen, who did these 8 comic stories (collected in two big Dutch books) for the Tintin Magazine back when Hergé was it's editor. And Vandersteen did emulate the Tintin house style perfectly, because Hergé insisted on it, but later in his life Vandersteen went back to his own, detailed, caricature-like style and I am glad for that. Look at his "Robert & Bertrand" for example, which he started when he was 60 years old: It's beautiful BECAUSE of all the "unnessecary" details. It's great fun that in comics we have so many styles to choose from. 🥰
@analogcomics
Жыл бұрын
Thank you☺ Vandersteen was on my mind doing this. He was quite a special case. Absolutely insane amount of albums published and sold but still never really got out of Belgium the big way. My only contact to his work is Suske & Wiske(Anu & Antti in Finnish). I read quite many as a child but never returned to them later. I was not aware of Robert & Bertrand. I checked some pages and covers and it does look - as you say - very different and more detailed in style. Would be nice to read some but I don´t remember any being translated to Finnish. Need to double check that though. You said he started that series when he was 60. I checked he published 5 albums per year for that series! He must´ve had some type of studio with other artists helping!? I didn´t know it´s possible to get 5 albums per year out😄
@carstenmaat4653
Жыл бұрын
@@analogcomics He definitely must have had assistants. I remember that the idea that Hergé had assistants and he didn't drew every line himself disappointed me when I heard about that many years ago, but soon I realized it is very common that there are people who do the figures in the foreground and others who just draw backgrounds, for example. (especially in Japanese comics) 🤓 By the way: I really am into Dutch comics for some time now,, because as a German reader who lives near the Dutch border it is fascinating to be able to read stuff that's not in a language you officially learned but can understand quite well. It reminds me of reading comics as a kid, deciphering the text in speech bubbles and being happy to "get it". 😅 (And: It seems to me that the Dutch comic history is much more interesting than the German comic history.).
@wrestledeep
11 ай бұрын
Thank you for this great clear line tutorial. Very informative. Just to get away a bit from Herge, It would be awesome if you could delve deeper into the stories of the creators of the Marcinelles School. I recently have been reading the work and studying the very exciting life and art of Andre Franquin. I also recently discovered the only 2 English published GIL JOURDAN books by Maurice Tillieux. What a beautiful artstyle! Like a combination of Peyo and Herge. I don't understand how more of these series like Natacha or 421 have not been translated to English. We need to talk about the amazing Francois Walthery and artists like him who took the Herge clear Line to a more Rounded expressionistic Film Noir Cinema style.
@analogcomics
11 ай бұрын
You are touching many good subjects here. One of them should actually be my next video😊 There is a lot to cover in my BD-series but I try to do other subjects in between too. There is a Gil Jourdan collected edition in Finnish but I waited too long to buy it. Now it’s sold out🙈
@wrestledeep
11 ай бұрын
@@analogcomics i would so badly LOVE to see you review a collected Gil Jourdan here. WOW! I have never seen a perfect combination of the Detective/Crime Genre with Perfectly Stylized Cartoon style. The only other comparision is a beautiful series by Daan Jippes called HAVANK. Are you familiar? (also not translated to English)😠. LMK if there are others that you might recommend in that classification.
@analogcomics
11 ай бұрын
@@wrestledeep I feel so silly for waiting too long to get that Gil Jourdan collection. I was certain it´d stay longer available as the bigger books are more pricey. Then again I´m happy if any comics sell well in Finland as it means there´ll be more in future. And there´s so much interesting stuff that something is always missing:) Have to keep my eyes open for second hand copies. I have the Finnish copy of Jippes Havank(not sure if he did more than one). While it has a superb graphics the story feels a bit crammed. Having said that I´d like to see more stories from him done in that Franquin-style.
@wrestledeep
11 ай бұрын
@@analogcomics I bought a few (Amazon kindle) Digital copies of Havank in French. Although i could not read it, it definitely felt crammed to me as well. He borrows WAY too heavily from Franquin as well in my opinion. I honestly think Franquin would be a great topic for a video because of his massive influence on Spirou and also the bouts of depression and creative ambiguity. There is a collection that he released called (here in the States) Die Laughing (or Idees Noir). His style literally changes to BLACK representation but DAMN, the rendering and cartooning is so many levels above anything that he did in Spirou. It would be great to see how much further his art developed from here. That is why this type of video would be so informative. I hate to minimize Herge...but DAMN Franquin was a true GOD of linge clear.
@analogcomics
11 ай бұрын
@@wrestledeep Jippes copied Franquin on purpose for Havank. It was his tribute to Franquin. I don´t think this background info is available in english so it must look strange - especially as you seem quite knowledgeable of Franquins work. Jippes is known as an artist who can copy many different popular styles. He is known to do very Carl Barks looking duck stories, too. I have that Die Laughing in Finnish. It is - as you say - on another level. Without colors he really pushed his technique. In many places it looks almost 3D. Spirou is definitely on my to-do list for videos. It´s a big subject but I have an idea how to do it. BTW I did a video of how to read foreign comics using Google Lens. That works even when reading from a monitor. It´s a bit more work but you do get much better idea about the text content.
@arandomcollectionofstuff.2470
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for another excellent video. Your love for the medium shows through. As far as Blake and Mortimer goes, I'd say give them another go especially the later ones. There's a lot less of the wordiness. The Alex and Mr Barelli stories look pretty cool. I hope they translate them into English sometime soon. Also, have you heard of British comics creator Garen Ewing? His most famous comic is called The Rainbow Orchid. I reckon you'd love it. He has his own KZitem channel where he showcases some of his work if you want to check it out. I agree with you about the clear-line influence on Moebius by-the-way. I noticed it when I read his book The Incal. Would you include the Buck Danny stories in Clear-line? I only have one book and it looks pretty clear-line to me. There may also be a bit of an influence on Grant Morrison, although I think his main influence would be British artist Dudley D Watkins. I look forward to the next episode. Thanks again for all your hard work. It's appreciated.👍😀
@analogcomics
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your kind words. I really apprecciate it as this was tough episode due to technical problems. Blake & Mortimer has(again) started to intrigue me. I often find myself online looking at their covers. Two albums of Alix by Jacques Martin has been translated to english in the 70’s. And it was by London based company. They must be rare by now but if you’re from UK there’s always a chance some of them are still around… Garen Ewing is a new name to me. I checked The Rainbow Orchid and knew instantaly that I want it! Clear Line influence is strong with that one💪🏻Thanks for the heads up. For me Buck Danny is not Clear Line. I think the ”sameness” is more due to many of them being made in the same era as Tintin. To my eye Buck Danny was intentionally trying to be something else. It’s aiming for super realistic presentation that differs from Tintin. Tintins realistic parts were always perfect, spotless and clean. Buck Danny has real world grit. But - as I state in the video - we all spot different things from art and none of them are more right. I’m definitely not the authority on this matter😅
@colonelweird
Жыл бұрын
When I got back into comics a few years ago, one of the first graphic novels I read was Rutu Modan's Exit Wounds, which is done in a style very very close to Herge. She uses the style to suggest everyday realism. It's a great book.
@analogcomics
Жыл бұрын
I have not read any of Rutu Modan’s works but I checked Exit Wounds you mentioned and it’s seems quite interesting. Thanks for the tip🤘🏻
@TaylorZanderFrancis
Жыл бұрын
I am a clear line artist too. My first graphic novel was completed in 2021 and im still searching for a publisher, and im also working on a second one.
@analogcomics
Жыл бұрын
I have no experience at all about that side of the comics business. But I can imagine it must be hard to get works published in printing. I do hope you’ll find your audience. And it’s always nice to hear Clear Line is still used by professional artists. As a side note: I saw you have quite a lot retro games related content too. As an owner of still working Mattel Intellivision console with 30+ games I have come back to check those vids too😊
@lunarmodule6419
10 ай бұрын
I think it's called the "Belgian school" of comics.
@analogcomics
10 ай бұрын
This is a tricky one. Clear Line is definitely the best known style from Europe and many think its origins are from France. So it’s fitting to mention Belgium to clear confusion. Having said that Belgium has produced other famous styles too like Marcinelle School. So naming Clear Line as Belgian School would undermine importance of other styles.🤔I’d be interested to know how readers from outside Europe see this issue.
@peternuyten7114
11 ай бұрын
Bob de Moor was not only assistent but perfectionised the stylistic approach of line we all know from the Tin Tin era. Don’t forget this, but he was in fact the master above Hergé.
@analogcomics
11 ай бұрын
His style is definitely a carbon copy of Tintin. And knowing he assisted Herge to draw Tintin stories I sometimes wonder who did and what😄I’m sure this has been studied extensively too. I’m just happy that so many of Herges assistants did their own original content.
@sleepyreader666
Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video. I hadn’t thought about it…but you are right about Walking Man…a book I loved…except maybe what seem to be the extra materials at the end.
@analogcomics
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I’m having hard time keeping these vids short😄It’s always a small wonder when someone takes the time to watch any. Very much aprecciated. And many more already planned. I still haven’t read Walking Man fully. I started it and then something unexpected came up that involves Don Rosa. So I swapped to another book.
@sleepyreader666
Жыл бұрын
@@analogcomics so far it seems worth talking on a subject for as long as you need to…
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