What pedals do you use? Let us know in the comments below!
@stubbietubbie
3 жыл бұрын
Bloody piss; the transitions between Hank and Manon on the tests were *chef’s kiss* - bravo editors/camera operators.
@thetimkatt819
3 жыл бұрын
You don't use trainers for cycling. If you had use proper shoes and pedals the results for flats would be better. Go ask the GMBN crew for a couple of pairs.
@aminburke2459
3 жыл бұрын
@@thetimkatt819 lol lol lol, definitely couldn't have said that better, well done indeed, on point.
@MaxZappa1
3 жыл бұрын
Neither - toeclips for me.
@d.b.cooper170
3 жыл бұрын
@@stubbietubbie Don't forget proper flat pedals as well, digs into the shoes a bit more and your feet don't move.
@sventice
3 жыл бұрын
It depends on what you're doing on your bicycle. In my experience, clipless pedals provide a noticeable but not earth-shattering performance advantage over flats, particularly when climbing or sprinting. If you're totally focused on racing/sport, then clipless are probably the best choice. If you're commuting in heavy urban traffic, or touring, or riding on steep dirt, or going to meet friends, or doing anything else BUT racing or "serious" club rides, it's probably more comfortable, convenient, and almost as fast just to use a decent pair of flat pedals. It's often nice to be wearing "normal" clothes and shoes when you get to your destination.
@beckyball1646
3 жыл бұрын
This. Much of road cycling is pretentiousness, it would seem...
@shidingan3118
3 жыл бұрын
Note however that in BMX racing, nobody uses clipless pedals so... no easy answer, even for races.
@Rocky4719
2 жыл бұрын
100%.
@jericlamb2676
Жыл бұрын
@@beckyball1646pretentiousness exactly 😂
@apuldram
Жыл бұрын
Touring and descending, it’s nice to know your feet are secure on the pedals.
@mahdi786003
3 жыл бұрын
4:50 that transition was perfect.
@Brownie12335
3 жыл бұрын
I immediately came to the comments when I saw it. You did not disappoint me
@its_me_ruff2474
3 жыл бұрын
She also transitioned from flats to clip less real quick
@jonskeee
3 жыл бұрын
production value
@AlazlamDurai
3 жыл бұрын
6:27 transition was pretty good too
@benkemp6546
3 жыл бұрын
If the test was done with decent flat pedals with pins and actually decent stiffer soled and grippier flat pedal shoes, the result would likely be a lot closer! Frustrating they compared expensive clipless shoes and pedals to the most basic plastic flat pedal with cheap trainers!
@jelle7224
3 жыл бұрын
They've made this same video a million times before and never bothered with a proper flats set-up. I don't understand why they mention the MTB guys but don't actually emulate what they do in this test.
@a1white
3 жыл бұрын
I use good quality MKS pedals with leather toe straps. with a pair of standard Converse trainers, these have always worked well for me. Hassle free too
@francoispayen
3 жыл бұрын
Came here to say exactly that. With proper grippy flat pedals and shoes there is very little risk of your foot slipping off. I can't even slide my foot sideways on the pedal once I'm "anchored".
@iancuk
3 жыл бұрын
Because marketing 😅
@iMaiIbox
3 жыл бұрын
To be fair, that’s the point, the average non clipless person is rocking the EXACT flat setup they tested (source, every new cyclist I know, and me)
@Vince1648
3 жыл бұрын
Modern lightweight large flats. Use my own shoes, sneakers, sandals, or whatever I want. On long rides more comfortable because you can adjust the position of your feet if you want. Plus, I can walk with comfort instead of looking like a crippled duck. Don't care about looking less 'pro', none of us are!
@Twodaae
3 жыл бұрын
Should get one of the GMBN presenters (maybe Blake) to try burst out some watts on the flat pedals and compare it with the roadies with clipless pedals... The video mentioned how mountain bikers have really good control with flats, so maybe its a good way to measure and compare "apple with apple". -my 2 cents :)
@Lars16
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah. As they said, they both use clipless pedals normally, so it is kinda obvious that they are not going to be comfortable on flat pedals. I would like to see the same test repeated with someone who uses flats, give them a little training on clipless if they haven't used them before and then see which one is faster.
@23bogyo
3 жыл бұрын
Blake would destroy them haha
@LifeofMaik
3 жыл бұрын
Especially when you get decent shoes this will increase the efficiency immensely
@maxrevell3830
3 жыл бұрын
@@LifeofMaik totally, they were using a cheap set of plastic pedals and trainers, compared to the high-end clipless and road shoes
@Vanadium
3 жыл бұрын
@@maxrevell3830 those shoes are absolutely crap tastic. I mean would you even want to run them if your a runner? Nope those are the wrong shoes. Good flat pedal shoes are a must, they are stiff and that's what clipless shoes are too, not that stiff but way stiffer then just your general shoe...
@nathanberry7445
3 жыл бұрын
3rd time you've done this test and you still haven't used appropriate pedals and appropriate shoes. What about mtb pedals with metal pins and mtb shoes. Even just some skate shoes make a huge difference over trainers... more stable and more grip.
@adaycj
3 жыл бұрын
Yep, same old tired nonsense. Fact is 20 years of clipless, I've gone flat for everything without complaint. No hate from me to anyone that wants flats or clipless. The more power with flats thing is disproven over and over as long as the rider has real experience with both. Lots of real science shows the "upstroke" power isn't real for actually propeling a bike on a road or trail.
@adaycj
3 жыл бұрын
@@4nz-nl I know nothing about a recumbent. I have looked in depth of studies, and a meta analysis of studies. Pull up power is either so trivial, or nonexistent in those studies it is considered irrelevant. If you get 300watts from upstroke, I'd love to see how you quantify it. If it is real, you may be the only person that claims this. Not even Pro Olympic sprinters have data that shows anything close to that.
@AlazlamDurai
3 жыл бұрын
Why the heck would i buy skate shoes or other specialty shoes if I weren't gonna buy clipless shoes? The whole point is to compare it to shoes we've all got, the basic trainers and basic pedals that come with the bike. It's all in good fun to compare these and make a videos. If you've already made up your mind about what special shoes you're gonna wear, then what does it matter to you? You looking for confirmation bias or something?
@adaycj
3 жыл бұрын
@@AlazlamDurai How does it make sense to use my grandma's tennis shoes with department store plastic pedals and compare it (over and over) to $150+ clipless shoes and speciality pedals? We all use specific specialized equipment, so if it is really an apples to apples comparative test they need to get it right. You can ride to the cafe in whatever you want, just don't make a video about it and call it scienceish.
@rileynicholson2322
2 жыл бұрын
@@adaycj To be fair, that's basically exactly my situation. My stock flats are wearing out and getting slippery in the wet. I want to know if clipless pedals are worth it over just using my everyday shoes and flat pedals.
@jonathanbenn2241
3 жыл бұрын
Come on GCN. Do a valid comparison. Modern high end platform pedals with cycling specific platform pedal shoes and what ever road shoes and pedals you want. Presenter needs 500 Km on platforms before the test to ensure they have developed proper technique.
@ChrisPoepping
3 жыл бұрын
So you mean a floppy 5 10 shoe still very soft compared to a Giro Camber shoe
@corentinoger
3 жыл бұрын
And also, they shouldn't draw "sustained effort" conclusions from a 1 minute climb! They should do at least 20km. There is no real-world situation where you ride flat-out for only a minute, but still havr time to put on your cycling gear, if you're in such a hurry to see your neighbour, you're better off running 😄
@VEC7ORlt
3 жыл бұрын
What is there to compare even then? Research shows similar power long distance, only difference being peak power with clipless in the lead.
@DavidRichfield
3 жыл бұрын
It's km, not Km. Km would be Kelvin metres.
@danhasnedl_CZ
3 жыл бұрын
@@corentinoger Standard commuting ligth to light is a 1min effort if you want to keep up with cars - which I want to change lanes easily.
@wallace8637
3 жыл бұрын
Spd all the way, you can walk with them too.
@vesalehtinen4534
3 жыл бұрын
On paper sure, but I at least find road pedals to be much more comfortable on long rides due to the larger contact area between the shoe and the pedal.
@Vince1648
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, walk like a duck. :-)
@vtecmossy
3 жыл бұрын
Aye walk like a shart happened 🤔😁😂
@Orangetrackstudio
3 жыл бұрын
SPD double-sided pedal! Clip in when you want, ride in trainers when you want, that's the way to go!
@grintalcycles8266
3 жыл бұрын
Those are what I use on my winter bike.
@marekkozub8957
3 жыл бұрын
I have been riding road bike for 22 years using flat pedals only. They didn't mentioned though, that you should use special flat pedal shoes. They are stiffer, than regular sneakers and they have soles, that provide good grip. You are able to walk normally wearing them, in case of emergency or just to buy a snack or drink.
@PG-3462
2 жыл бұрын
Or you can use mountain bike clipless shoes and walk normally
@c_davie9785
3 жыл бұрын
Can we all just take a moment to appreciate the paint job on that Canyon?
@iberiksoderblom
3 жыл бұрын
Not much of a test, when the testers are clearly biased from the start. But there is nothing new or surprising in the results.
@iberiksoderblom
3 жыл бұрын
@Ioan Davies Absolutely not :-D Have three bikes. One with flat pedals, one with Exustar clipless and one with KCNC clipless.
@iberiksoderblom
3 жыл бұрын
@Ioan Davies stop yourself, kid.
@MrLuigi-oi7gm
3 жыл бұрын
@Ioan Davies Stop your nonsense now. Please.
@jojoadeyemi8239
3 жыл бұрын
Pedals with pins and a wide base plus soft soled shoes are a game changer. Foot never slips even in the rain. Its not something I worry about about anymore.
@MulksBikes
3 жыл бұрын
WAIT, wasn't the argument for clipless and "full pedal rotation power" myth debunked years ago???
@jonathanbouchard39
3 жыл бұрын
The benefit of being clipped in is that you can lift your trailing foot without fear of it losing contact with the pedal. So you are not having to put extra effort into the leading pedal to push the trailing pedal up against your trailing foot. When I had not long had my road bike, I was sprinting at the start of my local little hill, standing up in the pedals and leaning forward. My foot slipped off the pedal, I sat on the crossbar, weaving out of control across the road, and luckily I was able to get my shoulder down before I hit the kerb, and there was no other traffic about. That was enough to put me off standing up on the pedals, not change to clipped-in.
@ItachiGT
3 жыл бұрын
I think there is barely a difference in a steady fast ride. The difference comes in at sprints and max efforts in general.
@juliapoelstra3624
3 жыл бұрын
Right? Didn't this channel debunk this myth in a laboratory? I guess their clipless sponsors didn't like it. 🤷
@matteo.ceriotti
3 жыл бұрын
By GCN themselves in a dedicated video!
@marianneoelund2940
3 жыл бұрын
Ask a rider who has only one leg.
@AvengerSho
3 жыл бұрын
you made the same video countless times yet never tested with actual quality flat pedal shoes and pedals with adjustable pins
@whateverbikes
3 жыл бұрын
Came here to say the same. Useless video, as it wasn’t even entertaining either. Filler material.
@hobbs2005
3 жыл бұрын
Seriously. 100% accurate. In actual fact, the published scientific literature finds virtually no difference between the two. And the notion that we pull up when pedaling is complete bullocks
@UenoLocker54
3 жыл бұрын
Where them foot straps at too.
@armouredoutlaw1537
3 жыл бұрын
@@hobbs2005 for the average cyclist or commuter they won't make much difference but for a racer the stiffer sole on the shoe and the connection to the bike can give marginal gains in saving watts
@dannybodros5180
3 жыл бұрын
i agree. pointless video
@oscarl-b8870
3 жыл бұрын
Hank said throughout the video that the benefits of clipless were in allowing up-stroke power, only for their expert to say otherwise lol. There’s more to it than “circular” pedaling, and it seems sensible that your natural technique is the best.
@aminburke2459
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, and the same guy (expert) said the same thing in a previous video, it counts for nothing really it's all down to your pedal stroke techniques.
@mikaelh4743
3 жыл бұрын
3:18 Best sound to start my day off :D
@mikecornell9195
3 жыл бұрын
Used to ride clipless, but I ditched them when I started riding more in the city. I use Nike basketball shoes with no padding and a stiff footplate, and the pins on the pedals have square, sharp edges. Peace of mind is worth giving up a little power.
@fennec13
3 жыл бұрын
Quite a one sided test there guys. You used the crappiest pair of $10 plastic pedals. why not use some decent ones on par wit the quaility of clip pedals you used ? Try using some proper flat mountain bike pedals with actual pins in them. Talk with the guy form GMBN for goodness sake. Mountain bikers often use clips as well. But if you are riding gravel, mixed terrain, making stops, or don't want to wear super expensive elf twinkle shoes. You can wear running shoes with a nice stiff platform. I know this is a channel for roadies - but lets not try to be so dense.
@catladyrai
3 жыл бұрын
Can we all take a sec and appreciate the nice cut with the high-five?
@raspberrylord9550
3 жыл бұрын
I think that the test is quite flawed cause of the good old placebo effect. You 'knew' that flats where slower so you put less power consciously or sub. It would be better if you got somebody who doesn't know the difference.
@Vanadium
3 жыл бұрын
There is a massive problem with this test, they don't even use the right equipment. You could clearly see that the Clipless pedals + Shoes we see here could cost up to 200 bucks or even more. So why does GCN use pedals that are: A. Small B. Cheap C. Not grippy. You could buy a proper flat pedal for 50 bucks and have a really good one. Big, reliable and light (330g). Then the footwear, come one man what are those? Normal sneakers? I would not even want to run with that poor equipment if I do it regularly. Get proper flat pedal shoes, cost starting at 70 for a okay one. What makes them special? Lower profile and guess what, stiffness! Who had guess it that a floppy shoe will make your power transfer bad? AND the most crucial thing but that's out of the question for RBikes, wide bars. There is a video from a dude challenging a pro TDF to a sprint. He only had a old Swiss Army Bike from 1910 in top conditions and the TDF pro had his actually TDF bike ready. They did it in 2009 @ Freiburg (Germany) for a popular German show. The TDF pro lost by 3 seconds. You need a wide bar to leverage your flat pedals properly.
@dlevi67
3 жыл бұрын
@@Vanadium FWIW, I agree; they should really test this three ways: the 'starter' kit, a decent pair of flat pedals and bike shoes, and the clipless set-up. Even though I prefer to be clipped in, I bet there would not be nearly as much difference between the two 'upgrades'. Side note: not wanting to be a grammar nazi, but... a bug is an insect; a buck is a dollar.
@Vanadium
3 жыл бұрын
@@dlevi67 well thanks for that. Well whatever suits you I would say. To force anything on anyone is just bad. But proper equipment is just so much better.
@dlevi67
3 жыл бұрын
@@Vanadium Yep. Happy and safe riding! It's a lovely day out here (West of London), and I think I'll go for a ride!
@mikefule330
3 жыл бұрын
@@dlevi67 Strictly speaking, that's vocabulary, not grammar.
@M0NN1
3 жыл бұрын
Ive been on a GCN binge since I found this channel. Entertaining and informative content guys! Especially Hank, Manon, Ollie and Simon. Youre great guys
@maxrevell3830
3 жыл бұрын
Really, you ought to do this test with a proper set of flats and shoes (equivalent value to your regular clipless setup). "Your foot can slip around and slip off." Not with the right combination of flat pedal and shoe, in my opinion, even if it may not look very 'pro'. Decent flats with pins form a very secure interface with the right type of shoe while also giving you freedom to adjust your position on long rides; win. Using the upstroke has very little benefit to anyone who isn't a track sprinter or capable of putting out monster watts, given that somewhere in the region of 97% of your power comes from the downstroke. Again, a good flat pedal will allow you to utilise a little bit more of the circle than a basic one to get some of that 'circular' motion into your pedalling and smooth out your action (ask those mtb'ers who have 'so much control' on flats). Of course, it will never be cool or acceptable in the world of club rides etc.
@vgjhlgjhfuyfjhfjkhgyghj
3 жыл бұрын
I'm 265 lbs and very fit. I'd like to see anyone out pedal me. Flat pedals of course. Boom. Shots fired 🤣
@gerarbara
3 жыл бұрын
The test was to see with which pedals you can produce the most power. Both presenters rarely got out of the saddle on flats. This will skew the results.
@gregmuon
3 жыл бұрын
SPD for me. I'm old enough that I started with non clipless, IOW toe clips and straps with cycling cleats. Clips and slot cleats were standard well into the mid 80s. Nice to be able to walk with SPD. RE the study, well done. The upstroke was even more important back when gearing was much more limited.
@geanthony3
3 жыл бұрын
Does pulling up on the pedals really help produce more power? You guys should do a test where you only pull up while cycling, and see the amount of work you generate.
@Philatlondon1
2 жыл бұрын
Pulling up has been completely debunked. It's all about power on the downstroke and unweighting on the upstroke.
@questionmark6971
3 жыл бұрын
I grew into cycling with toe clips and at 74 years old they still are my choice (ALONG WITH STIFF SOLED CYCLING SHOES) as an in between option. Feet are stable, I get out quickly, and still have power.
@AronOutdoors
3 жыл бұрын
You should also have serious flat pedal riders do the same test. Both presenters are normally clipless riders, so...
@Cycle774
3 жыл бұрын
I had fits and starts with clipless but now I love them. And now, I’m going to go load your app!
@mx2000
3 жыл бұрын
What I find is that I pedal with a much lower cadence and more force when on flats, I guess because that makes it easier to maintain contact with the pedals. I also place my foot more centered on the pedal, whereas with spd the contact point is more towards the front.
@Vanadium
3 жыл бұрын
There is a massive problem with this test, they don't even use the right equipment. You could clearly see that the Clipless pedals + Shoes we see here could cost up to 200 bugs or even more. So why does GCN use pedals that are: A. Small B. Cheap C. Not grippy. You could buy a proper flat pedal for 50 bugs and have a really good one. Big, reliable and light (330g). Then the footwear, come one man what are those? Normal sneakers? I would not even want to run with that poor equipment if I do it regularly. Get proper flat pedal shoes, cost is starting at 70 for a okay one. What makes them special? Lower profile and guess what, stiffness! Who had guess it that a floppy shoe will make your power transfer bad? AND the most crucial thing but that's out of the question for RBikes, wide bars. There is a video from a dude challenging a pro TDF for a sprint. He only had a old Swiss Army Bike from 1910 in top conditions and the TDF pro had his actually TDF bike ready. They did it in 2009 @ Freiburg (Germany) for a popular German show. The TDF pro lost by 3 seconds. You need a wide bar to leverage your flat pedals properly.
@hendrikspark4462
3 жыл бұрын
The professionell rider hasn't clips too in this show.
@davethedogdude
3 жыл бұрын
That is why I don't use flats, I prefer to spin at 100-130 or so. (I'm a skinny marathon runner type, my power is more horsepower vs torque if that makes any sense). That gets whack on flats. If I liked to ride at 70-80 rpm I'd just use flats.
@Vanadium
3 жыл бұрын
@@davethedogdude 110 rpm actually isnt that fast. That's my normal cadence on heavy MTBs and the commuter, both flat's. Did you ever see a BMX race? 160 and beyond and they are NOT clipped in, it is even banned by the UCI. Work on your technique, I am also capable of that and I am not a pro or BMX dude.
@davethedogdude
3 жыл бұрын
@@Vanadium I should try with good grippy flat pedals and shoes. My bike is geared on the spinney side, so I will hit 160 sprinting as well. But I don't think I would want to try that on flats and have my feet slip off and get whacked by the pedals (I'm older and easy to injure these days then when I was young enough to play with BMX dudes), so I'd only be comfortable with it if I knew for sure I wasn't going to slip. My normal cadence is really anywhere between 100-130 with ~110 being about the sweet spot, but I have a wide range that I'm OK with, I just really don't like to grind.
@greigs9384
3 жыл бұрын
Been riding since 1983, have a fleet of 9 bikes, all have flat or toeclips. They work just fine.
@michaelzhu4030
3 жыл бұрын
Flat for me don’t want to carry another shoe to work is the main reason lol
@DaveCM
3 жыл бұрын
Yep. Why I put flats on my commuter. Takes me a little while to remember to not pull up on climbs if I don't ride it for a while though.
@jamesplegg
3 жыл бұрын
On this occasion, not a good comparison for the reasons that many have pointed out. What surprised me a lot was the researcher explaining that using the upstroke wasn't advantageous - a point that is often made as the advantage of clipless pedals. Have to say that as well as using poor trainers and flat pedals, Hank and Manon were also clearly determined that the clipless pedals would be the best. This leads us to wonder whether they really put the same effort in for both cases. This kind of preset bias is a killer for any experiment. Otherwise, we love GCN so keep up the (almost all) great videos!!!
@Aragorn.Strider
2 жыл бұрын
I feel like they wrote the conclusion first "... and therefore clipless pedals are better", and from there worked towards the result. Many of us cyclists have to deal with stuff. Imagine a very narrow road, and almost never there's anything and then suddenly a HUGE tractor or truck comes from the other side, you go into panic mode, recover, break hard, through the grass bumps, maybe you need to put foot on ground. Then flat pedals are way safer. Or imagine you follow a hard sand path through the woods, but last week the wind was hefty and some trees cover the entire track. So, you would have to unclip, walk a bit, climb and pull bike over the tree etc. Such a test wasn't included. Or imagine you have a small window of oppurtunity to cross a very busy road. Flat pedals push you the first 5 meters so much faster then click or clip pedals. Now some of these scenarios are a bit difficult to simulate and measure. And it's not that click-pedals are bad (they are awesome and make you faster under good circumstances as shown) but when the going gets tough, pedals win, and might be life-savers.
@Drago.2000
3 жыл бұрын
Is this for real?! Why didn´t they use flatpedal shoes?! Why did they use cheap plastic flat pedals? Not good.
@stinkybeam
3 жыл бұрын
You should test Five Ten Flat pedal shoes with high end flat pedal, such as Stamp 7 or DMR Vault, and see what's the result.
@Alan_Hans__
3 жыл бұрын
Until GCN can find a sponsor who makes flat pedals they will continue to go with clipless pedals every single time. Clipless pedals are responsible for countless injuries all for the potential savings of a few seconds on a ride. A sprint is about the only place where you will see any gains for clipless and that's more about being anchored to the pedal rather than any benefit to the action. Try the same test over an hour ride and there will be no difference. Or try the same test over some stop/start style riding like on a commute.
@mattd5136
3 жыл бұрын
GMBN have a sponsor who makes both flats and clipless pedals in high-end models.
@markgibson549
2 жыл бұрын
I broke my damn wrist using clipless pedals. Had a mechanical issue on my bike and couldn't get my feet out quick enough to save myself.
@madridvolata
3 жыл бұрын
I commute and gravel in Madrid with flats...and " taco " shoes..( vibram )...It really works.
@noahkoh1474
3 жыл бұрын
Lmao the way Manon laughed at 3:17
@Paganiproductions84
3 жыл бұрын
i Use only flat pedals for years on my xc hardtail have set Number of pr's and kom's on flats pedals with the right shoes .
@rah4981
3 жыл бұрын
I have tried clipless pedals, not impressed. I use hope f20 flat pedals and fiveten freerider shoes on all my bikes now.
@LainOTN
3 жыл бұрын
Yup I use xpedo spry and Shimano GR8 on my road bike, Michelin rubber is not as sticky as 5/10 but is a bit more durable per my experience, and never had a slip...
@johndoiron9615
3 жыл бұрын
Too many people put pressure on others to ride clipless when they're not ready or hesitant. I ended up breaking my hip in a tipover on my road bike three years ago, and I'm never going back to clipless. Clipless pedals also bring in a mental strain of worrying about what is happening with your feet, akin almost to what happens when walking on icy ground. If you just want to enjoy your ride, go with flats. For racing, sure, go with clipless. Also, there are cycling shoes that you can wear with flats, as I do. You just don't put cleats in. Giro makes some wonderful shoes that can be changed to SPD's if you really want to, but you can also leave the wedge in and have them look like Skechers.
@paddlingfan1
3 жыл бұрын
Knee pain can often be solved by FLATS. When you get old these facts decide for you which pedal to choose.
@mr.bubbles180
3 жыл бұрын
Came here to say exactly this. With the help of a bike fit you can get your shoes to fit perfectly
@madridvolata
3 жыл бұрын
And a good option for some who alrready broke his leg.
@paddlingfan1
3 жыл бұрын
@Colin Deal Setting up clipless pedals properly is NOT an option for those old folks like me that need the FREEDOM TO MOVE your foot placement angle to protect those aging and damaged knees. For some people. Not all. This knowledge could make the difference of continue to ride your bike or not. Also those suffering from a little neuropathy in their feet can benefit greatly by working the muscles in the feet that Cliplless pedals do not give you. I'm speaking from a first hand knowledge in this matter.
@MaxwellStarr
3 жыл бұрын
I'd really love to see something like this comparing clipless with a good set of grippy MTB flat shoes and flat pedals with pins like the Raceface Chester or Deity Deftrap. I'm curious about clipless but I've been doing pretty well so far using a pair of Deftraps so far, they grip extremely well even on the backstroke..
@micomrkaic
3 жыл бұрын
“Science” with N=2 and presenter biased in favor of one alternative. What could possibly go wrong?
@lucachinotti8431
3 жыл бұрын
One of you should do a couple of months with good light flats with pins (like race face chester) and five ten freerider pro. Then do the tests first with flats and then with clipless. Other option take somebody like me that ride flats and see if I will be faster on clipless.. I bet that the result will be dramatically different
@Shen986
3 жыл бұрын
They make flat cycling shoes with a stiff sole and nice flat pedals with metal pins... they're significantly better than tennis shoes and random flats. Would've liked to see them here!
@stephen_101
3 жыл бұрын
Flats all the way. Way more practical, look better and the difference in performance is minimal. El Cheapo poor quality flat pedals you used perform way worse than the quality MTB ones.
@ChristopherHable
3 жыл бұрын
I use SPD clipless but I think it would be more fair if you used peddles with lugs like good mountain bike peddles. They'll also have better bearings helping with the numbers.
@Mr.Anders0n_
3 жыл бұрын
You've done this video before with the exact same mistakes repeated again. You used the cheapest/worst possible options for the shoes and flat pedals, and you only tested it with riders that are comfortable with/used to clippless pedals... I think it's a trend here on GCN. You compare the shittiest "super bike" from Amazon to a high end one instead of a more realistic low end one... You need to be a little smarter with your comparison videos
@jonathanbouchard39
3 жыл бұрын
There's no money in selling cheap flat pedals.
@andrewyong3389
3 жыл бұрын
If anything they can source sample data from the viewers gaining more views interaction, this along with participating in more collaboration with GMBN and GTN ie. old world tour rider vs modern tri athlete. Their American presenter needs a few more bones thrown his direction, there’re soo many more gravel/CX/ MT Diablo like climbs all accessible with a 8 hour drive between each, making a series on him doing all of the biggest climbs and longest/most interesting gravel route a weekly video. Back to what you were saying about the type of bike/equipment they use wouldn’t it be more interesting if they proposed video ideas and wanted gear recommendations from all of the GCN app users?
@Mr.Anders0n_
3 жыл бұрын
@@jonathanbouchard39 they didn't even push/sell any specific pedals. The only reason I can think of is laziness/incompetence and/or them just wanting an easy conclusion: "clippless good, flat bad"
@Mattkb9
3 жыл бұрын
Triggered flat pedal user
@Mr.Anders0n_
3 жыл бұрын
@@Mattkb9 confirmation biased clippless user
@miguelpaul1164
2 жыл бұрын
After 3 months of road biking every day after work and weekends, I'm ready to make the switch to clipless. Today I'm headed to the shop to get them installed and then off to the grassy park to practice!!! So excited!! Going for Shimano mountain biking system. Thanks for the video Ollie is so handsome!!!
@christopherrothwell8050
3 жыл бұрын
Still trying to talk a friend into going clipless but he seems to be quite happy with his toe strap flats. Would be interesting to see how the toe straps compare to riding just flats or clipless. I guess somewhere in the middle?
@UenoLocker54
3 жыл бұрын
Strap flats are more fun to ride than clipless for me. City riding and unclipping every damn stop got old and eventually I had to loctite the bolts into the cleat because they'd work themselves free after a few rides.
@MrEcted
Жыл бұрын
I tried clipless for awhile, but now I ride higher quality flats (I prefer Shimano Saints set to max grip). A vast majority of the cycling I do is either commuting or doing fun runs where I don't really care about max efficiency, I just wanna be outside, be able to walk around normally (without having to bring extra shoes), etc. I guess I just really like the get up and go nature of flats, though I totally get why most enthusiast cyclists prefer clipless. Proper flats make a HUGE difference though, you guys used cheap crappy default flat pedals. I feel absolutely terrible riding standard cheap flat pedals, and 100% confident riding my Saints. I've ridden tens of thousands of miles in Saints and I genuinely can't remember if/when the last time my foot slipped, and I ride in all conditions. What's nice about the Saints is that you have a nice wide super stable platform and you can adjust the grip screws to your liking, I have a hard time even trying to force my foot to slip (did a lot of testing).
@orbitox
3 жыл бұрын
Flat pedals for the commute. Clipless for everything else.
@andrebiasuz
3 жыл бұрын
That is why I use hybrid Shimano T pedals
@jlira01
3 жыл бұрын
I have a cheap Schwinn road bike with flats and tennis shoes with good traction on the soles. Pedal slip has never been an issue, but I'm a noob (hello, I ride a Schwinn) and I only ride about 10mi at a time at likely a much lower pace than these folks (avg 14mph). I guess it depends on your intensity but for me, flat pedals are working great. That may change if I bust my shins open but so far, so good. I want one of these real bikes! Thanks for the video
@bradley5055
3 жыл бұрын
I really want to see the test of clips vs clipless. Toe clips fix most of their concerns with flats.
@HobieCat68
3 жыл бұрын
exactly. I have clips for my flatbar hybrid, ride in a lot of mixed terrain and find it gives me the advantages of both security from slipping off the pedal and also being able to abort easily if need be. They're so out of fashion now they're surely due for a revival soon. Must....sell....more....gear...
@tomsmith5216
3 жыл бұрын
I've ridden with toe clips since I started riding in the 60s. I have never had a problem with them. I rode a friend's clipless pedal bike and didn't like it very much...
@bradley5055
3 жыл бұрын
@@tomsmith5216 I use toe clips personally on an older 80s road bike with a 39/26 for the smallest gear so hills are kind of an all out attack every time and don't find any issue putting out the power every time. Where as with flats by themselves I would likely have to walk up a few hills in my area.
@tomsmith5216
3 жыл бұрын
@@bradley5055 I know what you mean.Its why I use them, lol.
@Unframed13
3 жыл бұрын
I use the default flats that came in stock with my bike. Actually they look pretty the same as the ones on the video. Though I never faced any issues with loosing grip. Just looking for the information if switching to clipless has any advantages. There are lots of vids and articles, comments, etc.. proving one and the opposite, so cannot decide. Perhaps, one should just give a try to find out for themselves.
@Abegley1998
2 жыл бұрын
I never used road bike clips but started with mountain bike clips and shoes. when I tried road bike shoes on with clips installed, I felt unstable when walking or standing and did not like the feeling, so I tried mountain bike shoes and felt a lot better in support and walking. I love my setup and it works for me. plus, I was ridding mountain bikes at the time and using the same setup was cheaper and mor convenient.
@andreapalazzi670
3 жыл бұрын
You should also test the difference on longer times, in the end you just did two tests at 20 sec and 1 min. The FTP, for example, is usually measured at 20 min, that's quite a different scenario.
@mannyechaluce3814
3 жыл бұрын
because Clipless are for sprinting, in between there is no efficiency gain.
@DebugOutput
3 жыл бұрын
Just went SPD clipless on my gravel bike and today on my second ride with them managed a fastest ever average speed (about 5% improvement) for a regular route. Love the feeling of clipless when out the saddle and general stability.
@deanmc178
3 жыл бұрын
i use flat but with straps,,old style but i feel confident with them,,
@a1white
3 жыл бұрын
Me too. I do have a pair of clipless, but prefer the convenience of (good quality) flats with toe straps. Always find they work perfectly well.
@lukemcgowan6376
3 жыл бұрын
It would be sick if they could compare clipless, toe clips and mtb flats. I’m new to cycling but started the transition via toe clip. I was a currier for a while so need to be quick but also needed to get off the bike a lot. I was also flat broke and couldn’t afford clipless pedals and shoes
@ryanjonsson
3 жыл бұрын
A pair of vans (~$70) and good quality mtb flats (~$50-~$200) can be just as good as clip-less pedals on any terrain besides pro level downhill stuff. They may produce less power than clip-less pedals but they won’t slip. Really clip-less pedals are only the better option for road racing for the extra power and downhill racing because of how important bike control is and the insane terrain. Anywhere else flats will be more convenient and just as good in terms of grip.
@ru40342
3 жыл бұрын
There is no objectively clear benefit of a clipless pedal over a flat pedal. They are just no significant difference between the 2 in terms of efficiency or effectiveness. People who prefer clipless pedal are either used to riding on it or claim it to be more efficient to justify the higher cost of clipless pedal.
@tonyhendrickson6160
2 жыл бұрын
I use pedals that are one side SPD on my commuter/hybrid bike. I quite often wear mountain bike shoes with a significant tread so I can walk around in them reasonably comfortably and they look like sports shoes rather than cycle shoes. And yes, I use SPD touring pedals on my road bike as the extra watts/weight/rules don't concern me.
@PhilipBonev
3 жыл бұрын
This test should have someone who is using flats most of the time. Having two people doing almost all the time clipless and not comfortable with flats seems wrong for this test. You can get better flats. On my mountain-bike flats there is no chance of my foot slipping. You should have Blake or someone from GMBN doing this with you to be fair.
@griffin4592
3 жыл бұрын
Not only that, they were cheap plastic garbage flat pedals that don't even have proper pins to grip your shoe. I ride flats as my pedal of choice, and I would definitely not be able to perform anywhere near my full potential with those things. This comparison is useless the way it was done, for it to be meaningful they would have to use a flat pedal that's comparable in quality to the clipless pedals, something like a Race Face Chester or Crankbrothers Stamp.
@PhilipBonev
3 жыл бұрын
I just returned home from 20km+ trip for fun and beer. Did it with my north face hiking sandals on my mountain bike with flats and once my foot was on pedal there was no chance of sliding in any direction. You just need flats with pins. There are like 20£ once on amazon that can do the job, but if you compare more expensive clipless pedals with flats, get more expensive flats too.
@neilmdon
3 жыл бұрын
So what about the way that old people like me actually used to use pedals, which is WITH CLIPS (and shoes to match)?
@gerrysigs
3 жыл бұрын
Guys you’re entertaining but let’s break this down. 1) You both are highly used to using clipless, not flats. This means compared to a person used to using flats, you’re lacking significant comfort and skill in your pedal stroke. You mentioned many times how uncomfortable you were, how scared of slipping off the pedal you were, how disconnected you felt from the bike. These all demonstrate that your skills on flats are low. A skilled rider on flats will not have any of these complaints or feelings. Absolutely somebody who lacks skills, confidence and is scared of how to deliver power efficiently using a flat is going to put out lower numbers. 2) You used trainers, simple tennis shoes. But some great equipment on the clipless side. Why didn’t you compare great flats pedals and shoes with great clipless pedals and shoes? Do this again but include in the test somebody who has significant experience with flats. I’d be willing to bet numbers will he close. Also, a rider who thinks more about pulling on the up stroke, thinks less about pushing on the downstroke. Only after a long long time if practice will you find somebody who can approach max up and down pressure simultaneously. Each type of pedal has its advantages, but you guys were clearly already biased one way and lacked experience in the area you compared to (flats). Sorry to be so harsh. Thanks for the effort to videos. I appreciate your work. You’re clearly awesome and skilled riders in your corner if the riding world. Keep it coming.
@jmtikka
3 жыл бұрын
I used to ride with the traditional toe clips from the mid '70s but sometime during the last 20 year (I don't even remember anymore when that was) I had the courage to try Shimano SPD pedals with very well fitting Shimano shoes and there was simply no turning back. I still have not had any accidents with the SPD pedals. Although I don't pull up with my other foot my feet are always in the correct position. BTW, in my language (Finnish) the toe clips are called "toe hooks" (varvaskoukut) and the clipless pedals are called "lock pedals" (lukkopolkimet).
@MrDecelles
2 жыл бұрын
Urban cyclist. Shoes that are stiff. flat pedals. If I could get a dedicated bike path, without red lights, I would take clipless.
@liquidSpin
3 жыл бұрын
Weird video to make. We know clipless is better for power, effeciency and speed. However, for many commuters the benefits of going flat to go to work, grocery shopping or to a friend or families house makes a lot of sense. You're not out to race but just to get from A to B. No need to bring an extra pair of shoes 🙂
@MrHatQ
3 жыл бұрын
Flats for short city riding and practicality, I think the preference of clipless are more to do with confidence and feel rather than outright efficiency, which must also important to be at your best consistently.
@titaniumismagical8643
3 жыл бұрын
I use clips, because I don't want to be walking around in cleats. I don't race. The clips I use (Cristophe) don't have straps, but they still keep my feet well secure and well positioned on the pedals and I can get some up stroke. I know I'm losing some power just by the fact that gym shoes aren't as stiff as bike cleats. And as the expert said in the end, it's the stability that handicaps the flat pedal rider, which doesn't occur with my clips.
@Bionicaddicts
3 ай бұрын
I’ve just switched from SPD SL pedals to flats due to doing more gravel riding as came a cropper a few times using SPD! Now I have 4 sets of SPD SL pedals and 6 pairs of hi end cycling shoes gathering dust 😂 have to be honest my average speed has not changed and I don’t suffer from sore knees now 😊 horses for courses just not very street credit being on flats but hey ho comfort comfort comfort 🚴🚴🚴🚴🫶🫶🫶🫶❤️❤️❤️❤️
@danielbender4327
3 жыл бұрын
Flippies FTW! Will that be an option in the poll? I don’t see it yet. I ride a pair of Shimano PD-EH500’s - Clipped in when I’m doing serious riding, and on the flat side when I’m actually going somewhere, when it makes more sense to have street shoes. I never have to switch out the pedals. No downside to that system.
@Henrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyy
3 жыл бұрын
spd clipless with large platforms 😛
@simonwoodford8728
3 жыл бұрын
The old Shimano A530 pedals (and their successor PD-E500 pedals) with spd on one side and a platform on the other side that is a nice size and sufficiently grippy are a set up for commuting. Clipless can be unsatisfactory with soles that flex too much and IMHO nothing beats SIDI shoes in terms of a mix of comfort and efficiency in this regard. Personally I think the old Campagnolo Pro Fit pedals are still the best road bike pedals once you have got off the mark but the Shimano ones are not too much worse and their cleats work better off the bike and when you need to use your feet to push off to get going. I'm still not sold on Look and the higher end Shimano pedals moving from collar nuts to hex keys as getting them out of your cranks if not properly greased when fitted is infinitely more difficult.
@donaldyoung8866
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve ridden clipless since about 1990 and as I’ve “matured” I ride my mountain bike far more often than the roadie (body doesn’t like bending that much anymore) but cannot get on with flats just feels wrong to be on a bike without being clipped in. I use Shimano SPDs and again as I “matured” I found the MTB type easier to use than the “look” type, knees are happier
@evanking920
3 жыл бұрын
Here in Southern California we think we are the Center of the Cycling Universe...I am now convinced after a year of viewing GCN that Great Britain is light-years ahead of us technically and in physical ability...Great feature on pedals.
@jojoadeyemi8239
3 жыл бұрын
Pretty much most of Europe. Better infrastructure and youth programs too.
@ltrtg13
3 жыл бұрын
I have used clipless pedals for over 25 years. I actually use mountain bike clipless pedals as the shoes are easier to walking. When I have used my Look Keo pedals. I start to do an impression of Matt Stevens. When I use flat pedals on my mountain bike they scare the s**t out of me. I feel I have XERO control over my bike. Now I use mountain bike flat pedal shoe that helps but I still feel like have reduced control. As a result. The flat pedals stay on my mountain bike for 1 or 2 rides before I bottle it and put my clipless pedals back on.
@Mike51254
3 жыл бұрын
When you repeat this next year, as you do nearly every year, why not include toe clips with decent stiff shoes. That’s what I use, gives me more than enough control and I can still walk in them easily.
@katscraft
2 жыл бұрын
double or triple that hill, I cycle them several times a day on flat pedals for years and I still could not get used to the steep hills, out of breath every time. Made me quite interested to try clipless pedals. (I have a hybrid with heavy wheels and a panier bag always full) Thank you for the video
@ChrisCapoccia
2 жыл бұрын
That would definitely be something, seeing Hank pedaling clips in heels. Maybe you can wedge the point of the heel down the pedal opening when it's upside down
@nathanfleming5965
2 жыл бұрын
I'm sure I've asked this on other pages but no one's responded yet. If you're riding with clipless pedals the likelihood of going on long distance rides are greater correct? Versus 12 mile post workday burner cardio session You would want to be more inclined to ride a flat pedal. Especially if the environment includes stoplights every 3 and 4 miles.
@MichaelSnasdell
3 жыл бұрын
Loving the comments in the video on clipping in. Always celebrate a good clip in. It's the only annoying thing about SL's is the clipping in. Horrible for stop start rides, dreamy for long flowing rides. SPDs are my go to pedal choice for in town rides.
@brianrichardson5310
3 жыл бұрын
Try using decent flat pedals and proper flat pedal shoes. Can't pull up? Learn how to use them.
@xmrbones9577
3 жыл бұрын
First year cycling I used nice flats with good quality shoes on a nice Diverge pro bike. After the first year I found I was constantly adjusting my feet and looking for that ideal foot/pedal connection. I was apprehensive about clipless but decided I’d give it a try. I got a pair of S-Works shoes and Shimano pedals and instantly felt the advantage and started breaking my previous best efforts on Strava. There’s no way I’d go back to flats FWIW
@MiataBRG
3 жыл бұрын
A lot of the time and power differences will be down to technique. You are both super-trained in one pedal , novice in the other.
@HiopX
3 жыл бұрын
GCN: Clipless or flats? >Me: laughs in vintage clip pedals
@JayHeartwing
3 жыл бұрын
I still prefer flat pedals because of the accidents I usually see here in our country, just because of out of balance, unable to clip out before stopping, or stupid bike riders or car drivers
@KingUry2-2-2
3 жыл бұрын
I learned Cycling in Flat but From these data you've collected I think I'm gonna Switch into Clipless espcially when when it comes to Climbing It does Requires more power.
@user-et2kk8fp5e
2 жыл бұрын
I don’t have a bike yet but I’m liking to see the vids
@vtecmossy
3 жыл бұрын
Flats on my synapse as a msgr for 10 Yrs clips annoying as hell when I on and off the bike 100s of times a day
@tomrodriguez9052
Жыл бұрын
With a good set of flat pedals, like Stamp pedals, your feet stick pretty well, enough to make it through the bottom of the stroke. Asking riders that race and are used to clipless for an opinion on flats after a day of riding, when they are not really used to them? I fell in love with flats on my mountain bike and have since put them on the road bike. After 4 years I'll never go back. Ask me to review clipless and I might sound like those 2, only about flats. If you race use clipless, if you ride your bike anywhere where you get off and walk around flats are nice...
@chuchuchip
2 жыл бұрын
I use both pedals. Just depends on the bike I'm riding. My grocery getter has flats because of stop & go. My 2 road bikes have SPD pedals 1- for the longer rides & 2- I like to walk normal when I stop at a rest stop. Also I don't compete & I have small wide feet. so I have a hard time finding shoes to fit & sales people are NO help! So I'm loyal to Sidi Mega style shoes. I've only used SPD pedals from the start & the shoes fit me prefect.
@wideawake4981
3 жыл бұрын
Clipless peddles are not only an inaccurate descriptor, they are dangerous and just a scam to get you to spend money on ridiculous shoes you can’t walk into a cafe with. Stay with flats.
@JZTechEngineering
8 ай бұрын
This came from Nike
@Woozer73
3 жыл бұрын
Flats with 80's retro trainers, I'd rather think I'm cool rather than think I'm powerful....but then if I can think I'm cool, I can also think I'm powerful :D
@bryanotero123
3 жыл бұрын
Damn with asic tiger shoes ugh sexy
@MM-hv5nv
3 жыл бұрын
My clip in pedals failed me the first time I tried pushing them it was on a road with cars behind me and I racked my nuts
@vanessawei7144
3 жыл бұрын
I use Shimano pedals in my road bike that are flat on one side and have a clip on the other one. If I ride it to train I just use click shoes and if I just need to get somewhere I can wear trainers
@beckyball1646
3 жыл бұрын
Let's face it, you'd decided beforehand that clipless pedals are "better", because it's what you're used to, and this was just clipless evangelism not necessarily backed up by the science (as explained by Brian). Let's see the GMBN crew do the same tests...
@JustSueMe
3 жыл бұрын
As someone who is riding flats on MTB, straps on fixed gear and clipless on road bike I say don't get your hopes up with clipless. They are really not that efficient. Every modern study on pro athletes shows that It only really helps in power distribution during pedaling, not in control or climbing or power output or anything like that. So to all the newcomers, I'd say stick with flats and maybe throw some straps if you fancy. If you really want to try clipless, save up some money and go with midrange shoes and pedals, cause entry level stuff are not that great and they still cost a lot.
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