I've listened to many of his podcasts and interviews, he's not even close to conservative. What a great voice to have today. Bloggingheads are awesome too.
@Mechief
4 жыл бұрын
Completely agree. Coleman is thoughtful in his answers and asks the right questions. His honesty is refreshing.
@gussowsclassicbluesharmoni2726
4 жыл бұрын
I've watched eight or nine interviews and conversations with Hughes over the past five weeks and I'm astonished to hear people using the word "conservative" to describe him. I consider myself a liberal centrist with progressive tendencies and a skeptical, fact-based temperament, somebody who would rather solve problems than ideologize them. I'm consistently impressed with Hughes's calm, fact-based demeanor; his refusal to attack; his willingness to listen; his philosophical grounding; his lack of intellectual arrogance; and, most of all, his intellectual bravery. I've learned a lot from watching him in various contexts. (I'm especially a fan of his conversation with John Wood, Jr.) As a public intellectual, he's the opposite of Brittney Cooper (Rutgers); she's arrogant, bullying, and lacks his curiosity and willingness to explore ideas in a non-tendentious way. Along with Thomas Chatterton Williams, Chloe Valdary, Wood, and Jamil Jivani, Hughes is doing his part, calmly and with integrity, to improve our republic. More power to them all.
@Zanzopan
4 жыл бұрын
Because he is a conservative. The problem is how skewed American politics are. American "conservatives" are in reality reactionaries or more often nowadays reactionary extremists. Conservatives are maintainers of the status quo, they "conserve" the current power structure. That is why when Obama said he governed as a 1980's Republican I was surprised at his honesty. Looking at the terms as their true meanings, this gentleman is conservative with some liberal centrist leanings.
@rylieweaver1516
4 жыл бұрын
A liberal centrist with progressive tendencies? I can't tell if ur a parody or not 🤦♂️
@Zanzopan
4 жыл бұрын
@@rylieweaver1516 Seeing as I did not say that I can't tell if you are a troll or not. Edit: Statement withdrawn and apologized for. Left for records as I don't believe in deleting posts.
@rylieweaver1516
4 жыл бұрын
@@Zanzopan I responded to the guy who started the comment bruh
@Zanzopan
4 жыл бұрын
@@rylieweaver1516 Ah my apologies. It looked as if you were replying to me.
@RealJackHQ
4 жыл бұрын
Coleman Hughes is great! Thanks for having him on David! 😃👍
@tranquil2706
3 жыл бұрын
Coleman is a clear, cogent, diciplined and articulate thinker and communicator. He is not an ideolgue on the left nor the right, but models critical thinking on social issues that may not fit intellectual dogmas of any stripe. Thank you for having him on your show, David.
@ChrisPrudhomme
4 жыл бұрын
David and Coleman thank you for elevating the conversation! We need voices like these to thread this chaotic needle
@hotvision
4 жыл бұрын
Just two intelligent Americans having a good-faith, reasonable discussion on the issues affecting the country today. Why is this so rare?
@robtraverso1348
4 жыл бұрын
David, don’t listen to the mob; the left needs voices like Coleman’s
@Revengex19999
4 жыл бұрын
nah we really don't lol
@RiseReligion
3 жыл бұрын
Ignorance is bliss huh
@w.camera1204
4 жыл бұрын
Lol David about to be labeled right wing for having Hughes on.
@benp4877
4 жыл бұрын
Yep
@0MVR_0
4 жыл бұрын
Few points of this conversation are novel.
@shoedawgproductionz5979
4 жыл бұрын
Heres coleman on the NY subway kzitem.info/news/bejne/saevzpWCf51plm0
@seriousbees
4 жыл бұрын
Which is sad. We shouldn't be dogmatic. I think Coleman is good faith. The worst you can say about him is that he's a bit too contrarian, and needs to have more positive policy proposals, rather than critiques of proposals
@0MVR_0
4 жыл бұрын
"The worst you can say about him is" is a bad faith argument.
@Unclejamsarmy
4 жыл бұрын
Great interview, id love to see David interview John mcwhorter!! 🙏🙏
@ariellawaltman6693
4 жыл бұрын
Amen
@marcevan1141
4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely
@JohnSmith-hs1hn
4 жыл бұрын
I wan't him to interview Michael Eric Dyson.
@Jaymaul009
4 жыл бұрын
He might as well have on Glen Loury while he’s at it.
@JohnSmith-hs1hn
4 жыл бұрын
@@Jaymaul009 Glen Loury doesn't really bring anything new since he just parrots the same right wing talking points-not saying I disagree with him, but Coleman is on the left.
@eugeneimbangyorteza
4 жыл бұрын
Coleman Hughes have the great aspects of Larry Elder and Barrack Obama WITHOUT their partisan bs and military hawkishness.
@jaspalchanna4546
4 жыл бұрын
Barack Obama says things very different to Coleman Hughes today. Obama was reasonable in the early part of his Presidency, but jumped on the woke train later on.
@jamirbingham4101
2 жыл бұрын
@@jaspalchanna4546 lol wtf are you talking about? Woke is a black term used by black ppl to other black ppl to be alert or watch out. White Reich wingers got ahold of the term and changed it to their own definition as usual. The same happened with CRT as well. You must be a reich winger?
@jamirbingham4101
2 жыл бұрын
Wtf are you talking about? Neither one of those things don’t make sense.
@Tsuroerusu
4 жыл бұрын
It is a shame that this conversation only lasted 35 minutes! This deserved to the 2 - 3 hours that Joe Rogan would do because David asked crystal clear and highly intelligent questions, and Coleman gave very thoughtful answers. So yeah, an excellent conversation! David Pakman par excellence! 👍🏾
@orbistertius6937
4 жыл бұрын
Coleman Hughes is such a boss
@aowens6260
4 жыл бұрын
The definition of common sense and integrity.. smart guy.
@claborn79
4 жыл бұрын
He sounds like a pragmatist, right-leaning, but you can see him thinking through these issues. Kudos to David too, for the good questions.
@nabiji
4 жыл бұрын
Really? He's pretty balanced in his view?
@Lionfish5656
4 жыл бұрын
My thoughts too. He sounds like a pragmatic conservative spokesperson for the BLM movement. It might actually work to get more conservatives to our side.
@SethAndrews111
4 жыл бұрын
He is a democrat.
@petyrbaelish1216
4 жыл бұрын
David pakman is right wing Change my mind.
@Bri32675
4 жыл бұрын
Seth Andrews Being Democratic is not synonymous with being left leaning.
@nolebuc1
4 жыл бұрын
I love that Coleman tries to avoid "labels." Both the Left and Right love to place labels on people (racist, Nazi, Repub, Dem, Conservative, Progressive, Alt-Right, Anarchist...) so they can be dismissed immediately, thereby excusing non-interaction with others who have disparate thoughts, opinions, worldviews... The evolution of human thought has always been about open discussion among those who disagree. Today's discourse places no value on that and it will lead to our collective destruction if not corrected. These types of discussions are what's needed. Props to both men in this convo.
@bgcord
4 жыл бұрын
Great interview!👍🏾
@jasonchurch139
4 жыл бұрын
I really liked this and would love to see more interviews like this
@Unclejamsarmy
4 жыл бұрын
Glad to see Coleman w David, he usually talks to the right, and his particular way of speaking tends to lead to many of them thinking he agrees with them more than he does, at least to my eye.
@JAYDUBYAH29
4 жыл бұрын
M E agreed
@guitarkindofguy2
4 жыл бұрын
Yes, glas to see this! I have been waiting for this conversation!!!
@nicholasbatshon8827
4 жыл бұрын
Wow 1st time seeing him or hearing from him he makes lots of good thoughts to think about well said 👏 both of u
@seriousbees
4 жыл бұрын
8:35 amen to the war on drugs. Just legalize everything like Portugal did
@VintageKimchi
4 жыл бұрын
legalize or decriminalize?
@emm8357
4 жыл бұрын
yumyum tumtum - I’m pretty sure that Portugal decriminalised. They’ve had the new legislation in place for 20 years and I had truly hoped that other countries would look to the success and done the same thing._-\
@VintageKimchi
4 жыл бұрын
@@emm8357 Yea, I know a lot of people who are opposed to the idea conflate decriminalization and legalization. We need to be clear that the two aren't the same thing
@xlM3RCxl
4 жыл бұрын
I am a recovered addict for 15 years and a clinical social worker. I have been saying for years now that we should legalize all drugs and focus more on treatment and prevention.
@seriousbees
4 жыл бұрын
@@xlM3RCxl Interesting perspective. I think that when you talk about full legalization, people realize that means there will be a shop somewhere with heroin in it that anyone of age can buy, and people have a mental block about that. But who would make that decision? I can't imagine a lot of people. And if they did, it would have much less bad downstream effects on other people
@LeftEyeless
4 жыл бұрын
He says he's not conservative but then his only objection to Trump is his divisiveness? He said he largely has no policy issues with Trump. Not impressed with him tbh.
@caseypdx503
4 жыл бұрын
I'm sure he'll be real sad that he didn't pass your purity test....
@LeftEyeless
4 жыл бұрын
@@caseypdx503 how is this relevant?
@tyiingram9878
3 жыл бұрын
I agree totally with you. His thoughts are not fully developed. There is no deeper look into what he's trying to debate. And the more of he's speaking I hear, I get the feeling he holds black people responsible for fixing racism.
@rylieweaver1516
4 жыл бұрын
"I don't have so many problems with his [Trump's] policies." Before y'all go applauding Coleman on HOW he talks, think about WHAT he says.
@HonesteBroker
4 жыл бұрын
How about reading his work instead.
@rylieweaver1516
4 жыл бұрын
@@HonesteBroker Yeah, reading his work is a great way to learn what he's saying. All I'm saying is that his tone and flowery words do not make his opinions right.
@HonesteBroker
4 жыл бұрын
rylie weaver True. I think he’s largely correct on most things he argues, although I have disagreements with him. Would have liked David to have him on longer to really explore his ideas in greater detail because it would be interesting to see how a progressive responds to his more conservative ideas, which I tend to agree with.
@ariellawaltman6693
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for talking we need more discussion
@davidhopkins
4 жыл бұрын
I don’t think David engaged Mr. Hughes on his most controversial opinions. I watched a video of Hughes speaking with Sam Harris. I felt Mr. Hughes advanced a number of faulty arguments to bolster Harris’s attacks on BLM and even seemed to sympathize with Harris’s highly questionable dabblings in race and IQ. I was disappointed with this interview. It allowed Hughes to seem reasonable by not showing his more questionable views.
@marcevan1141
4 жыл бұрын
You make a lot of excellent points. I'm a big fan of David Pakman and I've found Mr. Hughes interesting in the past but this interview was seriously lacking. Neither one of these men appeared to be operating on all cylinders here.
@marcevan1141
4 жыл бұрын
But I don't think Hughes is unreasonable. I was, however, dismayed to hear that he has no problems with Trump's policies and I think Pakman needed to challenge him on that.
@Inverified
4 жыл бұрын
KZitem 2x playback speed still sounds like 2 Ents talking to each other.
@seriousbees
4 жыл бұрын
They never say anything unless it is worth taking a long time to say
@ewaszorek3591
4 жыл бұрын
I'm guessing you are intelligent, well spoken, educated, warm, lovely and handsome. Or you maybe just jealous? Which one? Being nasty is not very attractive.
@MosesPlays
4 жыл бұрын
@@ewaszorek3591 It was a boring interview. Two Ents talking to each other was on point. Nothing nasty about saying the truth,stop being a snowflake.
@ewaszorek3591
4 жыл бұрын
@@MosesPlays you know I live in Europe and i'm very interested what is going on in US. I'm sorry that you have so many problems lately. And I don't know what it means snowflake. I've heard it few times but still don't know. Seriosly, could you explain. For me this conversation is interesting.
@MosesPlays
4 жыл бұрын
@@ewaszorek3591 No problems,I'm actually from Israel,and very interested myself. Snowflake means being over-sensitive,thin-skinned.
@Nathan-hs2ut
4 жыл бұрын
Coleman Hughes is an intellectual heavyweight. Someone I'll be following for a very long time with great interest!
@password460
4 жыл бұрын
Heavyweight? I'm actually amazed, I really don't want to insult your intelligence, but how can you call this person a heavyweight?
@mattmurphy4093
4 жыл бұрын
Yes! Love this guy.
@fabscams4136
4 жыл бұрын
Coleman is always on point.
@JMT34237
3 жыл бұрын
David Pakman, Sam Harris and Coleman Hughes. Good people.
@roxee57
4 жыл бұрын
Coleman is an awesome thinker on these topics. I’m so fed up of identity politics and why the left is allowing that faction to dominate so many conversations rather than class, criminal justice issues and policing practices that affect everyone is beyond me. I can’t stand Trump and it’s as annoying as hell that the people on the left going off about identity politics issues in particularly nutty ways are providing the grist for the Republican Party Media machine to draw votes away from the still relatively sane democrat party. Thanks for having him on David.
@ExterminatorElite
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for hosting him David!Getting ready for the comment section for this one. Let's see if we can preempt some of these: "Coleman is a secret conservative." "Coleman is a right-wing grifter." "Coleman isn't 'authentically Black'." "Coleman, young professional writer and Philosophy undergrad at an Ivy League, is secretly stupid." "Coleman doesn't speak to 'the Black experience'." "Coleman is a secret Puerto Rican." With those Greatest Hits out of the way, maybe now people can make more interesting insights about this interview.
@caseypdx503
4 жыл бұрын
Was thinking the same thing, already seen 90% of these.... You have to agree, otherwise your blackness doesn't matter!
@justinunion7586
4 жыл бұрын
He's not stupid, he's authentically black and because of that represents a portion of the black experience. He's not PR afaik. Everything else you said applies.
@GODemon13
4 жыл бұрын
He kind of seems like a boot licker to me.
@fabscams4136
4 жыл бұрын
@@GODemon13 Why? All his views are his own...and he backs them up very well.
@ExterminatorElite
4 жыл бұрын
@@GODemon13 Oh no, not somebody who believes in the utility of the state monopoly of legitimate violence! Quick, better call him a name.
@chuckasualty
4 жыл бұрын
many places have outlawed traffic cameras because of abuses by private corporations issuing tickets wrongly for there own profit and the resulting complaints.
@aivanm.vaughn1576
4 жыл бұрын
Coleman is the first intellectual I've found who seems to be on the right a bit.
@BrianDonato
3 жыл бұрын
Open-minded race convos are so needed right now, so appreciate the video. In the last video on my channel, I go deep into discussing color blindness, how individual vs. group colorblindness is different, & how it honors each's individual experiences/identity way more than the opposite of seeing color & assuming something from there about someone. I appreciate all perspectives though so I hope videos like ours inspire people to think critically about how they view the world.
@BrianDonato
3 жыл бұрын
@@shawnfredericks5563 Hello, I explain on my channel a bit if you want to dig further. I explain in the "Part 2" video in my racism series I did. Basically, I distinguish seeing color in individuals you meet and then making a judgement based off someone's color vs. seeing color in the way society views people in a way, which is different. So I don't think people should be color blind of race-related issues out there - But say when you meet a new coworker for the 1st time or anybody, noticing their race is really pointless and you shouldn't see their race. As I go into the video, the only purpose of seeing someone's race on an individual level is to then assume something of that person from that race. And as I ask in the video - If the purpose is not that, then why would you want to see someone's skin color & notice that when meeting them, if you don't think anything from it? By seeing and reacting to someone's skin color - that takes their individual identity away from them, by assuming their identity is the same as "XYZ" other person of that race you know. So, I do believe in color blindness on an individual level because of that because you can't tell anything at all from someone's race along - Have to talk to them first. Of course this is not "literally" color blindness note - so of course I still "see" someone's color when I meet them - it's moreso talking from a symbolic sense of skin color doesn't matter at all. Experiences matter, a person's individual identity matters, etc..
@tylertone2776
4 жыл бұрын
I think David labeling him a "conservative" at the beginning started it off a little awkward but it got better as it went on. It's really interesting to see David's 2014/2015 IDW-adjacent experimenting phase (his Reza Aslan takedowns, Dave Rubin, and Sadd interviews) resurface a little bit recently. Back then he had a bit more varied content, felt he could critique other figures on the left, and found himself much more comfortable talking about his jewish identity in public. And let's be honest guys if you're on the portion of the left that thinks he's shown 'what a lib he is' with this, you have only yourselves to blame. David was SHOOK by the veracity of the attacks against him last year from that portion for generally milquetoast liberal takes, especially large progressive content creators (BadEmpanada for instance) saying his Bolivia video came from his family having served right wing authoritarians in Argentina (when actually his family was oppressed and fled the country) and that his opinions were shackled by Zionism. The video where he declared self-censorship I think indicated he'd eventually give up on catering to this audience.
@Zanzopan
4 жыл бұрын
As Rave Dubin would say he is a "classical" conservative. He generally wants to maintain the status quo. The problem is American politics got skewed so far right by 40 years of right wing propaganda, what would in a sane objective labeling be called reactionary or reactionary extremists got the PR cleaning label of conservative.
@09BiGDylan
4 жыл бұрын
@@Zanzopan That's not true about Pakman.
@Zanzopan
4 жыл бұрын
@@09BiGDylan What is not true about Pakman? I didn't address anything about Pakman.
@billcarson482
4 жыл бұрын
Tyler Tone why should being labeled a conservative awkward?
@DockingFreidmanRecords
3 жыл бұрын
He didnt label him conservative. He just raised the question of where he stood and where many people think he is
@losmanzani6849
4 жыл бұрын
I like Coleman. It was good to hear some different thoughts from him I hadn't heard before like his thoughts on Biden's association/lack of association with identity politics. I thought Obama did a great job in general of steering clear of identity politics for the most part. I would also say that Bernie Sanders did a good job with that also. Thanks for having Coleman on, I wouldn't have expected to see him as a guest on your show but it was a great interview. Please have him back again soon.
@JustDeathification
4 жыл бұрын
What i get from this exchange is that everyone should focus more on a common goal instead of the differences in political views. In my view politics should be about finding common ground for the whole of society. I personally think the division in left or right is counterproductive and somewhat meaningless. Political positions are far more complex. This black and white thinking, left or right, progressiv or conservative, putting every opinion in either one pocket or the other is really dangerous and should be abandoned completly. This gets amplified in the US by the two-party-system, but even in countries like Germany where i come from, with a lot of different parties, this kind of division is far too prevalent. Great interview. Keep it up.
@password460
4 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry but this is just delusional thinking for American politics, conservative policymakers actively harm the lower class, there is no common ground when you make it illegal to have abortions, remove social security, weaken the already underfunded public schools, making policy which negatively targets black and trans people.
@JustDeathification
4 жыл бұрын
@@password460 We are not in disagreement. I see the need for major changes in the US. Still... try to see the human being behind the political enemy. The "new" America has to include everyone, even those not agreeing with you now or it will not be any better than what you have now.
@gad0017
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you both for doing this. How can I connect and learn more about Coleman?!?
@gad0017
4 жыл бұрын
@@PablitaPicasita thank you
@Krazie1nyc
3 жыл бұрын
You have no idea how much I appreciate this!! Every other liberal with a podcast just sits there & ridicules anyone who slightly deviates from their way of thinking. All the while they're not saying ANYTHING new themselves. It's embarrassing! I'm embarrassed to be associated with those people
@hallockstuart7899
4 жыл бұрын
why not do a longer bit with him?
@Clifton100
4 жыл бұрын
Wow, David has balls. With respect, can anyone imagine TYT inviting a black heterodox thinker onto their show to discuss race-relations? Mr Pakman keeps working hard with an interest in truth.
@brainxtc2171
4 жыл бұрын
Your racism is showing. Your contempt for Black people is palpable. TYT is more open than you think.
@scrotiemcboogerballs6400
4 жыл бұрын
Really not that ballsy. Most people I know who follow DP already know who Coleman Hughes is.
@turtlecoal
4 жыл бұрын
This "black guy" on the screen is not respected in the black community at all. We laugh at him and make memes
@Clifton100
4 жыл бұрын
@@brainxtc2171 You need to stop being so racist. It's palpable.
@powderedtoastfacekillah734
4 жыл бұрын
TYT has had David Duke on. Lol you think they’d be scared to have this guy on too?
@milkshakebarrage9581
4 жыл бұрын
Anyone who puts any label on this man except for "Rational" is bottom of the barrel in terms of societal intellect and integrity.
@EffectiveFootball
4 жыл бұрын
Excellent guest
@basedcentrist3056
4 жыл бұрын
Sometimes i think these political commentators that want to make suggestions about how cops operate should go on a police ride along a few times before they offer their half assed assessments
@BillClay88
4 жыл бұрын
I always say that. Someone sane in the pakman comments is always refreshing.
@thegypsiekid
4 жыл бұрын
Coleman Hughes is remarkably average in comparison to the mid-20s black people I know, with most of them having more interesting things to say about the black experience. Not sure why he’s being propped up in the online media space, he’s not the best man for the job (if what you seek is the intellectually honest black perspective). Kudos to David for conducting a very solid interview. David is consistently excellent and we’re lucky to have his voice in this time.
@notreallysure1790
4 жыл бұрын
Lol then tell you your mid-20s black friends to start putting our writings and videos expressing those interesting views until then I find Coleman very articulate and reasonable and with many strong points
@Gadangadang
4 жыл бұрын
I dont think he claim he represents the black experience
@AP-pk6mk
4 жыл бұрын
He served the interest of the right, even if he wouldn't vote for them. The "intellectual dark web" props him up as some huge figure but in reality he was an undergrad at an Ivy league who had a good upbringing in a middle to upper middle class, diverse neighborhood. Like you said, he doesn't represent the median black individual in the US, nor does he offer appropriate statistical analysis on these topics. Usually he is highly motivated by his own emotions on these topics but because he is eloquent and measured in speech, he seems to make good arguments. I don't like to question his identity but he's also half black ( that doesn't taint his arguments, it just distances him a bit from most black people) so he's not an average black person nor is he a towering intellectual with research and credentials on these topics. He is propped up because he often dilutes conversations on race and mellows down the urgency for racial reforms in this country.
@notreallysure1790
4 жыл бұрын
Allen Pierre-Louis do you have any people you could recommend listening too or reading that discuss similar topics but from perspective that doesn’t “dilute the conversation on race”?
@sueriansean
4 жыл бұрын
Allen Pierre-Louis To Real data, followed by real perspectives of Black America, he needs to reach out to Yvette Carnell & Antonio Moore. However, I don't think that's really what David really wants.
@Lionfish5656
4 жыл бұрын
Very nice interview. My impression is that Coleman Hughes is a good faith actor that has different arguments from the traditional established consensus on race relations in the US. I think that he comes off as a bit conservative at times & I certainly don't agree with many of his arguments. But, at least he acknowledges the racial problem to some extent & doesn't tow the conservative line either. He is somebody who isn't too far gone & that you could have a conversation with. The typical conservative Trump supporters are too far gone T.B.H & this includes Black MAGA folks like Candace Owens & Kanye West. They're not going to get the issue of systematic oppression. But, I will add more thoughts later that intends to be slightly charitable to them in the next paragraph. Keep in mind that most black people & other people of colour don't agree with many of his arguments; very few of them actually agree with them, let alone the common conservative arguments. That doesn't mean every black person who agrees with him or even the conservative right wing arguments is a shill or not actually black. That's a dumb set of arguments & we need to refrain from making them. It's also condescending & can come off as us trying to police their thoughts which is not our intended goal. Not to mention that this does shut our brain off from differing viewpoints, particularly other progressive viewpoints that contribute to the conversation. People like Hughes are not going to be convinced of that & he may dismiss you as a bad faith actor. At the same time, I do get where these people dismissing him are coming from & this includes most P.o.C, especially black people: Most of the vocal black conservatives are used as props to defend the status quo of systematic racism, derail conversations on systematic racism against black & brown people, strawman what progressives & most P.o.C are saying & pretend that us talking about these issues makes us racist. They did have free will to come to whatever opinions they want & they often have genuine questions or want to dig deeper. However, once they get sucked down the rabbit hole, most P.o.C don't want to be associated w/them for understandable reasons as they hold views that would throw their racial communities under the bus. Overall, I expected Hughes to be either a MAGA conservative or arch BLM progressive. He was neither & comes off more to be as a moderate BLM supporter/activist that has disagreements with some of the tactics & arguments that the movement uses. If he is conservative, he is more of a never Trump Republican of the BLM form. The last thing that I like about him is that his arguments can help moderate a lot of systematic racism deniers to a more acceptable position. Maybe that's what we need. Who knows? Either way, great interview.
@ChildOfTheLie96
4 жыл бұрын
If I put that much effort into my last marriage I wouldn't be destined to die alone right now
@ariellawaltman6693
4 жыл бұрын
OMG he’s an individual not a label....
@Lionfish5656
4 жыл бұрын
@@ariellawaltman6693, true. Labels do help us though. What you're hinting at is right insofar that labels can be abused.
@Hetsfesta
4 жыл бұрын
The whole third paragraph and the “he isn’t too far gone” is a bit weird when discussing Coleman. It is positioning him in a strange way where he cannot make his own arguments and makes it all about rather strange and simplistic optics.
@SASMADBRUV7
4 жыл бұрын
Just because PoC don't agree with him doesn't mean he's wrong
@nicholasbatshon8827
4 жыл бұрын
Do the rest of u automatically press the like button the 2nd u can cause u know already that David is already gonna give us facts and fair respecting every and anyone no matter what
@andraewilliams3928
4 жыл бұрын
Nice conversation guys.
@tenholindberg9862
3 жыл бұрын
Here in scandinavia, i can attest, that healthy police culture ,create in effect, less toxic criminal culture, wich affects, less toxic ,prison culture. Its extremely rare here, for criminals killing each others, or killing informats, vitnesses etc, due to the fact, that our prison sentences are humane, and rarely mean the end of ones natural life. But all these start ,from the fact, that police are proffessional, and treat everyone equal, very rarely needing to use deadly force on suspects. This is the starting point
@redwardstone3651
4 жыл бұрын
Regret avoiding his videos for so long
@redwardstone3651
4 жыл бұрын
David Orozco cognitive dissonance
@TheBeatle49
4 жыл бұрын
I wish David had mixed it up more with Coleman. He's with the Manhattan Institute, that's a free-market, "libertarian" outfit. There's gotta be more contrasts between him and David.
@roxee57
4 жыл бұрын
I like the idea of listening to what people say, thinking about it and then drawing my own conclusions rather than dismissing them for who employs them.
@davidcasey1442
4 жыл бұрын
What many Americans don't seem to factor in is a game theoretical perspective on why cops might have to be afraid of beeing shot and that is based on the extremly harsh sentencing laws in the US. While there is no country that has quite such a gun culture, it is still comparetively easy to get a gun in most European countries compared to the UK. Why aren't cops not afraid there of being sho in these countries? It has to do with what happens if they find that you have commited one of the average crimes. No one has their life ruined for possesion of drugs and even something like an average theft. You won't spend a day in jail. You will be convicted, sentenced to probation or a treatment programme and your work won't even be informed (except if it's somehow related to your crime, eg. hospital workers and drug offences). In the US on the other hand repeated non-violent crimes (or sometimes even just a single one in some cases) might lead to life imprisonment. Seen from that perspective it might not make such a difference, if you add murder on to that.
@enzogonzales3038
4 жыл бұрын
I like Coleman smart man
@adamfey4034
4 жыл бұрын
Unity 2020
@1DangerMouse1
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for having Coleman Hughes on. I'm a fan of his. It's easy to just label him conservative and ignore what he says. It's harder and more rewarding to listen to his arguments and respond to them accurately. If you disagree with him, then try forming an honest, mature, charitable and evidence-based response.
@reallydoe2052
3 жыл бұрын
A cop can quit his job a citizen can’t say don’t pull me over
@ssboxer
4 жыл бұрын
This brotha goes to great lengths to divorce the insidiousness of systemic/institutional racism from federal/state/local policies that keep it place. Listening to Hughes makes my head numb.
@henryzeno
4 жыл бұрын
what specifically are you thinking of when you say 'systemic racism' (I'm just curious, not starting shit)
@henryzeno
4 жыл бұрын
@@beezusHrist I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the following excerpt from Thomas Sowell's book "Intellectuals and Society": "There is no subject that is more in need of dispassionate analysis, careful factual research and a fearless and honest discussion than is race. Ideally, we might look to intellectuals for such things. But it is also true that the mental skills and verbal dexterity of intellectuals can be used to evade evidence and promote whatever beliefs or agendas are in vogue among their peers. The intelligentsia in the media can decide what to emphasize, what to downplay and what to ignore entirely when it comes to race. These may be individual choices, rather than a conspiracy, but individual choices growing out of a common vision of the world can produce results all too similar to what is produced by centralized censorship or propaganda. As a concrete example, statistics comparing American blacks and whites in many respects- jobs, incomes, and mortgage approval rates, for example- are often drawn from data that include similar information about Asian Americans. Yet seldom are the Asian American data included in news stories, or even in academic studies, which conclude that racial discrimination explains much or most of the disparities between blacks and whites. In many, if not most, cases, reporting the data for Asian Americans would undermine, if not devastate, the conclusions reached from black-white comparisons. In the job market, for example, it has often been said over the years that blacks are “the last hired and the first fired,” since black employees are often terminated during an economic downturn sooner or to a greater extent than white employees. Data thus seem to substantiate this social vision of the world common among the intelligentsia and others. But if data on Asian Americans were included- which seldom happens- it would turn out that white employees are usually let go before Asian American employees. Can this be attributed to racial discrimination against whites by employers who are usually white themselves? More fundamentally, can we accept statistical data as showing discrimination in cases where that reinforces existing preconceptions, and then reject the same kind of data when it goes counter to those preconceptions? It is much the same story when examining what happens to people who apply for mortgage loans. There has been much indignant outcry in the media when statistics have shown that black applicants for mortgage loans were turned down more often than white applicants. Newspapers across the country, as well as television commentators, have treated such statistics as proof of racial discrimination by white banks against black applicants for mortgage loans. Yet statistical data on Asian Americans have been conspicuous by their absence from these comparisons as well. If such data are included, it turns out that, in 2000, black applicants were turned down for prime mortgage loans twice as often as white applicants- and white applicants were turned down nearly twice as often as Asian American applicants. The question arises again whether we are going to accept statistical data as evidence of racial discrimination when it fits the preconceptions of the intelligentsia and reject it when it goes counter to those preconceptions. In the case of mortgage loans, there is other evidence against the conclusions reached almost universally in the media and in academia. Average credit scores are higher among whites than among blacks- and higher among Asian Americans than among whites. Taking into account the data for Asian Americans threatens to reduce a moral melodrama to a mundane matter of elementary economics in which lenders are more likely to lend to people who are more likely to pay them back. Since many, if not most, of those financial officials who actually make the decision to lend, or not to lend, do so on the basis of paperwork passed on to them from others who do the face to face interviews with applicants, it is doubtful whether these decision-making officials even know the race of the applicants. But differences in credit scores and other qualifications virtually guarantee racial disparities in outcomes anyway. Again, it seems hardly likely that white-owned banks are discriminating against whites and in favor of Asian Americans. Moreover, black-owned banks turn down black mortgage loan applicants at an even higher rate than do white-owned banks, and it seems equally unlikely that this is due to racial discrimination."
@henryzeno
4 жыл бұрын
@@beezusHrist You miss Sowell's point, which is that seeing as though racial discrimination obviously doesn't account for Asian/White disparities in mortgage loans, then we can't a-priori assume that Black/White disparities are attributable to racial discrimination either. Of course, the fact that Asian/White disparities aren't attributable to racial discrimination doesn't prove that Black/White disparities also aren't. Further scrutiny is necessary to establish whether that is or isn't the case. A disparity in and of itself proves nothing- that's his point.
@henryzeno
4 жыл бұрын
@@beezusHrist Please can you point me to the data that shows there is implicit bias against black people in mortgage/business loans? Thanks
@GodlessPhilosopher
4 жыл бұрын
I've only seen a few things with him and figured he was way more conservative than he seems in this interview.
@jimmykantice7004
4 жыл бұрын
in other words, he's interesting and not a TYT protege nor a boring, whinging, pathetic lefty.
@caseypdx503
4 жыл бұрын
It's almost like Pakman interviewed him in good faith vs what I would guess you read about, bad faith leftists straw-manning and misrepresenting his opinions to make him sound more conservative...
@Sir-Smiles
4 жыл бұрын
Someone who is a centrist identify with traditional conservative ideas as well as liberal ideas so depending on the topic a centrist will appear to be conservative or liberal. Its not a good idea to try to put people in boxes and label them. People are more complicated than that.
@ericrrod
4 жыл бұрын
As a media strategy, I think CH is aware that he needs to come off as more reasonable to Pakman's audience to gain followers. Pakman failed to challenge CH's conservative positions in this vanilla, easy-mode discussion.
@Sir-Smiles
4 жыл бұрын
@@ericrrod i dont get why people do this.. "I think that" "i feel" "He looks like" "He probably" If you spent 5 minutes turning your feelings into facts you would realize he is saying the exact same thing he has been saying everywhere. He literally just denied thinking in terms of conservative and liberal but you "feel" so obviously you must be right?
@joshc6569
4 жыл бұрын
He lost me towards the end. On not having issue with Trump's policies. Was he suggesting Bernie was pushing identinty politics? In a way i think it would have been more interesting if Someone like Kyle Kulinsky interviewed him. Would have learnt more about his attitude towards money out of politics and medicare for all.
@harutyunyan93
4 жыл бұрын
Yup, it's precisely the policies of trump that should worry him. he focuses on "rhetoric" and decorum and "uniting the country". These are somewhat subjective and vague ideals to judge matters of highest office in land... This was a vague interview. David was far too lenient not to push against some vague claims Hughes made. Kulinski's interview would've been more policy driven, for sure
@Janewomanpower
4 жыл бұрын
He lost me at Trump not being the white supremacist we all claim him to be and he is ok with trumps policies. I would like to see him probed more on this.
@powderedtoastfacekillah734
4 жыл бұрын
Wade Wilson the whole “maybe he’s just trolling” with the racist stuff is kinda weak It’s racist stuff...period
@PianistStefanBoetel
3 жыл бұрын
14:57 Not huge? 😂In Germany it was 1 in 2017 und 0 in 2018 and 2019. Then again 1 in 2020
@ben5154
4 жыл бұрын
Wait, is Coleman saying people across the board in the states are spending only one night in jail for marijuana possession? He doesn't mention states with harsher laws at all and seems to imply by omission he's talking about the whole country. Seems to downplay a much harsher reality in a misleading way. Did I miss some context? Am I crazy on that one?
@basedcentrist3056
4 жыл бұрын
Ben i think he’s probably talking on a majority basis rather than its this way accross the board. I’m sure he’d be opposed to harsher punishments in specific places
@niriop
4 жыл бұрын
Hughes is like a cool glass of water after an attack of ideological heartburn.
@1Geeked
4 жыл бұрын
What does that even mean
@niriop
4 жыл бұрын
JS5000 He’s a rational voice who incorporates facts and complexity rather than relying on stringent and inflexible Manichaean narratives. You don’t need to agree with everything he says, but he’s no fanatic or stalwart.
@keithcp85
4 жыл бұрын
I generally like Hughes input. But did I hear him say he’s a liberal but also is pretty on board with most of Trumps policies?
@Zanzopan
4 жыл бұрын
He is a conservative. The problem is American Politics got so propagandized and skewed right with frankly amazing PR. So much so what objectively be called reactionaries or reactionary extremists managed to get PR cleaned to be "conservatives". He isn't a reactionary. But he mostly wants to keep the status quo. Which is what conservationism actually is.
@kieranj.c.3379
4 жыл бұрын
Seems like David has become a lot less argumentative since his days interviewing libertarians and crazy religious nuts. I see a lot of people objecting to labeling Hughes a conservative but he has certainly expressed conservative views in the past and I find it odd David doesn't even bring them up for discussion. After all, he recently joined a conservative think tank (The Manhattan Institute) and is probably most well-known for arguing against reparations before congress. Not to mention he said in this very interview he doesn't have "so many problems" with Trump's policies. I could be wrong but I get the sense David is trying to ingratiate himself with the IDW.
@SethAndrews111
4 жыл бұрын
I know, its almost as if any left wing think tank wouldn't employ Coleman because liberals like to play purity tests. Ask Ayaan Hirsi Ali who when she arrived in the U.S she went to several left wing think tanks but none of them would employ her even though some of them liked her.
@kieranj.c.3379
4 жыл бұрын
@@SethAndrews111 In other words think tanks (at some of them) have standards. For a liberal think tank to hire someone who encourages the US to "crush" Islam militarily presumably to write about religious politics would be wildly inconsistent with their mission. Likewise, it would be odd for a liberal think tank to employ someone to write about racial issues who rejects the the influence of slavery on black communities today and opposes both affirmative action and reparations as a corrective measure. Regardless, I'm unaware of any time Hughes has been rejected by a think tank. Perhaps he feels uncomfortable working for an institution that doesn't align with HIS values. You focused in on this part of my comment but my main objective was simply to ask why David didn't raise any of these issues.
@SethAndrews111
4 жыл бұрын
@@kieranj.c.3379 Except Ayaan changed her opinions greatly regarding the best ways to defeat Islamism. Secondly. Coleman doesn't oppose affirmative action and policies that help close the gap on inequalities Black Americans face. And of course he opposes reparations in form of a check to every black American, no serious person supports such a policy.
@kieranj.c.3379
4 жыл бұрын
@@SethAndrews111 Maybe she did but to be honest this is the first time I've heard of her and I don't care to hash out a timeline of her ideas relative to her seeking employment and how substantively she revised her opinions. In regards to Hughes, though, I got the pretty clear impression he opposes reparations from skimming through this blog post: afro-optimist.blogspot.com/2018/05/explaining-affirmative-action-to-martian.html Maybe he also revised his position on this and if so it would have been nice to hear this clarified in the interview. When it comes to other policies aimed at eliminating inequalities between Black and White Americans there are plenty of them that come from across the political spectrum, many of which are philosophically and practically incompatible (it often comes down to do something vs. do nothing). To say that he favors some of these is meaningless without any specification as to the nature of the policy. Are they redistributive? Do they entail some kind of regulations? Are they universal or targeted?None of his writing sheds any light on this as far as I can tell because he's so focused on reforming "Black culture". Lastly, I'd like to know if he supports reparations in any other form besides cash payments. I would be surprised to hear that he went before congress just argue against one niche form of the idea that no major elected official has proposed.
@joao621119
4 жыл бұрын
DAAAAAAAAVID!
@09BiGDylan
4 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see an actual discussion and dissection of Hughes claim Trump isn't as bad as he seems. Those sentiments lack such detail as to almost be a vacuous statement, and its seems to really be saying anything, except that people are too hard on Trump. I really don't understand how that could be the conclusion if you look at the facts.
@09BiGDylan
4 жыл бұрын
@@MrChristyCree trump is an authoritarian that lies constantly while trying his best to continue and make worse divisions that exist in this country. He also panders to racists and nationalism. I'm not sure how many boxes you need to check before calling someone a fascist or nazi like but trunp has checked many of those boxes although I still wouldn't call him a Nazi but he's probably the closest we've had in modern US history. If Coleman were to deny any of what i just said he better have a damned good reason and facts to back him up otherwise he's just as guilty of hacky behavior. I tend to believe he is a serious intellectual, thats why I'd like to see why he's so soft on trump in that regard because his view is common among intellectual Republicans like Glenn Loury and Loury doesn't even give a great defense for his ideas in that regard.
@09BiGDylan
4 жыл бұрын
@@MrChristyCree I already laid it out by explaining that his authoritarian and nationalistic tendencies and maligning of the 'other', whether that be foreign born immigrants or democrats that he paints as enemies of the United States, this is quite clearly things that fall under a form of nazism or more specificallya form of fascism which has many similarities to nazism. I already said he isn't a Nazi, as that would require taking very specific political positions but he does check alot of those like boxes. If you are saying my assessment isn't accurate than you need to make your case. I have a feeling you might be the type of person that says "oh they can't be nazis, this isnt 1930s germany!"
@09BiGDylan
4 жыл бұрын
@@MrChristyCree awww, I'm starting to see you are clearly a trump apologist so its probably not worth my time to continue this conversation because I've seen this conversation playout over and over again and the apologia never changes and opinions over how terrible trump aren't received because of your types moving goal posts for why its okay if trump does it but its bad if anyone else does it. The shit slinging was happening since the very beginning and trump has been just as culpable if not worse so. He had no problem calling Ted Cruzs father a terrorist who helped aid the assassination of JFK and he called his wife ugly. He called Mexicans rapists and murders and assumes "some are good people". The fact you think its completely one sided is laughable especially considering the right wing mediasphere attacks on Obama.. man who could forget TanSuiteGate or CoffeGate?! Tribal is a nice way of saying fascist typically. The picture of you gets even more clear. The fact you ignore trumps massive amount of lies is laughable, i guess its just because hes dumb and not political but when another politician lies they are evil and only doing it for political reasons. The fact you ignore trumps sweet heart deals to his donors and his blatant corruption of getting government money to his businesses is also highly suspicious.. you probably downplay as being completely partisan media attacks no doubt. If you can't mention his lies while talking about the media then you probably shouldn't be taken seriously anymore because you're either being dishonest or your knowledge in the topic is so minscule that you couldn't possibly talk from an informed position. He called nazis and clansmen good people. He barely mentioned the murder of Heather Heyer during the unite the right rally. His border policies are even more cruel and heartless than that of Obamas. Hes making it harder for refuges to make it into the country. One last bit, nationalism is not good. I use to think it could be neutral myself but its not, very literally the definition of nationalism is the idea that your people are better than everyone else and if you or I based our interactions with other people on the idea we are better than them, it would be impossible to interact with them in a fair and just way. The same is true for countries but with even more dramatic negative effects.
@09BiGDylan
4 жыл бұрын
@@MrChristyCree oh and you never addressed where I was wrong and instead opted to muddy the waters by saying a bunch of stuff that doesnt address my original points. What youre doing is a great "debate tactic" but it doesn't make for finding truth and reality.
@09BiGDylan
4 жыл бұрын
@@MrChristyCree ok. You still have failed to address any of my original points and im quite honestly losing my patience because you keep purposely misquoting my words or misconstruing my words to straw man my position. Also, it doesn't matter if he's acting like an authoritarian with the explicit end goal of being an authoritarian if all his actions line up with that of an authoritarian. I do want to pick out one specific thing from your response because I can't see how any reasonable person could see this anyways. I know your wrong about this because ive read speech transcripts and ive watched the media clips in their original form. How did the media spin it? Did he not say there was fine people on both sides? Did he not ignore the murder of heather Heyer? To top this off, I dont want people to think you spreading truth ill post the 14 tenets of fascism and let's see how many we can check off for trump. The 14 characteristics are: Powerful and Continuing Nationalism [check ✔] Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights [check ✔] Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause [check ✔] The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc. Supremacy of the Military [check ✔ - military parades] Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized. Rampant Sexism[check ✔] The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy. Controlled Mass Media [not a complete check but its not hard to see that if given enough time, this would become the case as a natural trajectory] Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common. Obsession with National Security [check ✔] Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses. Religion and Government are Intertwined [check ✔ this has been happening prior to trump but its got even worse under trump] Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions. Corporate Power is Protected [check ✔ - even though both parties have been responsible for some of this but its got worse, especially corporations who politically support trump] The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite. Labor Power is Suppressed [not so much this but its apart of the republican platform] Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed . Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts [double check ✔ ✔] Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts. Obsession with Crime and Punishment [✔ Mr law and order himself] Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption [check ✔ - trump not divesting from his businesses, his businesses making money off governmental actions, he selected his family to hold prominent roles in his white house] Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders. Fraudulent Elections [check ✔ - him trying attacking mail in ballots and hinting he might try to delay the election is pretty obvious.. oh and he said he doesn't know if he'll except the results of the next election due to voter fraud] Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections. You are on the wrong side of history. Youre holding water for these actions by either down paying them or by explaining away why its okay because it's just his "ego".
@oldwestcreative83
4 жыл бұрын
Seems like you agreed with Coleman on most everything. If this is the case, how are you in support of the BLM movement when it's clearly so misplaced?
@powderedtoastfacekillah734
4 жыл бұрын
How is BLM “misplaced”?
@josephmayfield945
4 жыл бұрын
PowdaToastFace Killah there’s no evidence of overt racism in the police force.
@powderedtoastfacekillah734
4 жыл бұрын
Joseph Mayfield there is overwhelming evidence of both overt individual racism and widespread systemic racism
Joseph Mayfield www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/23/fact-check-how-many-unarmed-black-men-did-police-kill-2019/5322455002/ It’s almost as if black people being 13% of the population and whites being 60% doesn’t even matter amirite
@marcevan1141
4 жыл бұрын
I was really looking forward to this but I was disappointed. Something seems off in this interview.
@filthygee
4 жыл бұрын
Coleman is very levelheaded when compared to Candace Owens, Jesse Lee Peterson, Anthony Bryan or even Ben Shapiro. He takes his time and speak after thinking things through instead of rattling off nonsense or using typical right leaning talking points. Although I may not agree with all of his stances on subjects, you can atleast have a good faith convo with him. Good dude.
@mannyogu8124
4 жыл бұрын
Offensive to even bring up Coleman in the same sentence as Candace Owens and JLP. Not in the same game
@SethAndrews111
4 жыл бұрын
I don't know why you would group him with those other names, Coleman isn't even a conservative.
@password460
4 жыл бұрын
@@SethAndrews111 just like dave rubin is a "Liberal"
@SethAndrews111
4 жыл бұрын
@@password460 yeah no, Dave Rubin doesn't consider himself liberal anymore.
@AP-pk6mk
4 жыл бұрын
Hughes is no doubt smart but often offers analyses based off of cherry picked statistics. The right loves his downplaying of racial issues. Professors like Sandy Darity of Duke University (economics and African American studies), Darrick Hamilton of Ohio State University (economics), and Greg Carr of Howard University (Afro American studies) are all much better studied and well equipped to talk about issues regarding the black community.
@Inverified
4 жыл бұрын
Errrrrrr.... come on. If we're talkin "cherry pick". uhhhhh *cough* George Floyd *cough*
@henryzeno
4 жыл бұрын
How about adding Thomas Sowell, Glenn Loury, and Wilfred Reilly to that list?
@bobfan2821
4 жыл бұрын
He is still learning. He is still 20, very young compared to most political figures and he is much better than most of them. I do agree that he isn't the best, but nobody starts as knowledgable like Thomas Sowell and other figures.
@henryzeno
4 жыл бұрын
Which cherry-picked statistics?
@jamesmarhen
4 жыл бұрын
@@henryzeno first is how he changes or doesn't understand how wealth works when he tried to argue slavery didn't lead to wealth. In one of his articles he wrote how Singapore is the perfect example of a country that didn't have slavery and had the #1in wealth in terms of median wealth per adult. While true it leaves out so many factors of how a country arrives at median wealth per adult but when you look in terms of wealth a country has the #1 country in terms of wealth is the US. UK, France, Spain are all in the top 10 in terms of wealthy countries, all had slavery. He has to go to median wealth per adult to make his argument while ignoring all of the other measurements that disprove his argument. He also talks about how black people's wealth grew at a higher pace from 1939 to 1960 so the effects of systemic racism wasn't as great as people think it is for black people which again, the wealth growth is true but ignores context and basic math literacy. Black people's wealth did grow at a higher pace because they made so little when looking at median income because prior to 1939 black people's median income was around $500 and grew to over $3,000, while white people's income was over $1,000 and grew to over $5,000 (his numbers not mine and the numbers he cites aren't accurate either, another example of him not understanding the difference between nominal wages and real wages). It's like me making $1,000 a year and over the year I make $2,000 so my income doubled but saying you had it better because you were making $100, now you're making $400 so you're making four times as much. You started a lot lower than me, I'm making $1,000 more per year and you're making $300 more a year so while your income grew at a greater rate than mine I'm not only still making more than you, my increase in real dollars was far greater than yours. His argument is true and disingenuous. I could keep going as he often ascribes meaning to authors they did not say, he ignores or downplays the effects of redlining, mortgage companies who were found to have discriminating against minority home owners, etc. He's not a dumb guy, he's smart but he's not nearly as smart as people think he is and there are numerous instances where he just gets numbers flat out wrong, doesn't understand the numbers he cites, or leaves out context in the numbers he uses. He's a talented writer but not a good historian nor is he very good at math or economics, things he tries to use to argue his points but falls apart very quickly when you dig beneath the shallow surface he provides.
@harutyunyan93
4 жыл бұрын
This was far too vague a conversation in my opinion. For instance, David not pushing back on claim that identity politics is something just far to the left of Biden's politics is a gross simplification. Biden's centrist politics are more in tune with identity politics players in mainstream Dems establishment (Kamala, Warren, to name a few). To think this is just pressure from far left that brings identity politics into mainstream is silly. It's always a means to distract us from lack of robust policy ideas in case of mainstream/corporate politicians. For example, Biden wanting a female VP is a toothless distraction with no meaning to it. The "far left" generalizing doesn't do justice to politics of leftists who focus on policy more so than mainstream Dems. Which I'd expect Hughes to ignore but sad to see David Packman do so without a pushback or at least clarification Coleman's take on "returning to normalcy" and "unifying rhetoric" is another example where he's vague, generalizing the divide in country and ignoring that those vague stances of "uniting the country" mean nothing without serious policy conversation and substantive examination of failing policies, be it policing practices, prison/justice system, or be it healthcare, UBI proposals, or foreign policy. At some point, people (not Coleman Hughes necessarily) who push "exchange of ideas" mantra have to actually present a single idea. Beyond just rhetorics about how "healthy disagreement is good" and colorful analogies about reality, I don't know of a single unique idea/policy on how to substantively change the reality via policy/social movement.
@xPr0Gamerxx
4 жыл бұрын
Coleman has only ever voted Democrat yet people label him as right wing just because he is willing to talk to right wing people. That kind of thought is what drives people away from the left and is one of the few things the right does better in my opinon.
@jirkazalabak1514
4 жыл бұрын
Joe Biden is the Democratic nominee, and by any reasonable metric, he is a right-winger. in any other developed country, he certainly would be. Coleman even gave it away himself: "I don´t have many issues with Trump´s policies, I just don´t like his behavior." That´s literally a living parody of what a centrist would say. In other words, he doesn´t care about anything, except the precious "norms and guardrails". As long as people are nice to each other on Twitter, all the atrocities happening in the real world don´t mean anything to people like him. It´s all theatre to them.
@password460
4 жыл бұрын
This dude is at best center right leaning. He is not left wing.
@coldblood303
4 жыл бұрын
you understand the Dems are a right wing party right? Any nation in Europe or Canada, and the Dems are well right of center.
@lukemichael6906
3 жыл бұрын
@@jirkazalabak1514 Woah you just made a lot of assumptions there. After that first sentence of your paragraph you just typed a bunch of things that are not verifiable. Have you listened or read any of Coleman Hughes' work? He has many concrete opinions about policy and society, some fall on the left, some on the right. Being a centrist doesn't mean you are unsure what side you fall on on every issue.
@micah_mudflaps
4 жыл бұрын
This guy is a riot!
@LambrettaFunk
4 жыл бұрын
It seems like support for Trump from Blacks is increasing if you take the latest polls into account. This is as close to uniting the Nation happening in living memory, but the Left cannot except that this “uniting” can happen anywhere else than from the left forgetting that most ordinary Blacks are socially conservative and with the advent of the internet they are starting to do their own research and thinking independently.
@couldbe8348
3 жыл бұрын
Would love to see Jared Taylor on this show.
@skepticsanalysis528
3 жыл бұрын
I suppose that’d be interesting.
@baronreadus
4 жыл бұрын
Damn! I thought Obama talk too slow. 😆😁😂🤣
@russellward4624
4 жыл бұрын
Not a fan of the camera idea t all. It just opens the door to enforce all laws like that. To have camera's following us 24hrs a day. Leading to all kinds of corruption and misuse. Having another department handle it like meter maids handle parking issues. No need to have a gun to give someone a speeding ticket. They dont need to pull them over at all really. They catch you on the radar gun, they write up the ticket and it comes in the mail. Theres no reason to pull them over and interact with them.
@Ray-cn1yn
4 жыл бұрын
That sounds good in theory until someone is driving a car speeding that doesn't belong to them and the owner is issued a ticket for a crime they didn't commit. Too many cases would be tossed in court. Tickets are written to individuals and not just a vehicle.
@russellward4624
4 жыл бұрын
@@Ray-cn1yn You think that's a problem? When you report your car stolen it takes care of itself. Thats what happens now.
@Ray-cn1yn
4 жыл бұрын
@@russellward4624Depending on where you live and the jurisdiction, stolen car reports are taken serious. Speeding is taken serious in general because the potential for loss of life is a major factor. Traffic enforcement seems minor until you look at the numbers of how many people die from traffic related incidents; drunk driving, excessive speeding, aggressive driving, red light running , etc.
@russellward4624
4 жыл бұрын
@@Ray-cn1yn Aggressive driving and speeding arent the same thing. The reason tehy do it isnt because of the loss of life. Its to make money. They pull people over in hopes of finding other infractions they can tak on or outstanding issues they can tak on. Its all about making quotas.
@Ray-cn1yn
4 жыл бұрын
@@russellward4624 I never said aggressive driving and speeding were the same thing. I gave them as examples of why traffic enforcement exist. Speeding is one of the most prevalent factors contributing to traffic crashes. The economic cost to society of speeding-related crashes is estimated by NHTSA to be $40.4 billion per year. You can argue quotas but safety concerns is going to dominate the conversation.
@Ray-hd8cd
4 жыл бұрын
A good way to think about if someone is racist or not is to simply shut up and mind your own business.... life is too short🧐🤨🥴
@sweetbrothanunci
4 жыл бұрын
Concerning his thoughts on rascism: I agree with the sentiment of actions vs words but I don't believe he's unaware of the power of getting inside the opposition's mind or normalization of bullying tactics and the effects they have. I guess the obvious question to that is: for him to feel it's worth addressing, how young would the recipient have to be, how severe the rhetoric would have to be and why? Nobody is born racist and nobody is born woke so since this involves the parents, their culture & environment; the tensions seem to be starting very young. As we know all too well from war, nothing radicalizes someone quicker then being told the death & disease around you is your own fault. Our leadership knows the best tactics for countering an "insurgency" is de-escalation & negotiation(it's in all the handbooks), so what do you call it when they do the opposite in its own neighborhood? The elephant in the room behind all these intellectual discussions is that the majority of the population for whatever reason has become overly dependent on leadership which has created a golden age for wolves. How can we say the sheep need to just figure it out? Even if that would have been a better alternative timeline, we live in this reality. We are only as strong as our weakest link. Independent thinking can be taught but not very easily in the middle of a storm. You might say judging people harshly while safe from the storm is a privilege they don't have and says more about the judges. 20:40 Protester makeup: it's very concerning that people are not treading carefully considering if it all goes wrong, white people can easily blend in while the ones they were fighting for can't and become easy targets. If white people are trying to save black & brown lives, they need to deescalate tensions because civil war is going to effect black & brown lives much worse. 22:22 Trumpism/4th type of republican: The thing that makes sports great isn't just the "combat" but the simple truth of winners, losers & heroics. It's of course been politicized and corrupted by money so if politics is just like sports but through language then it's the deadliest kind and needs better safeguards.
@hotvision
4 жыл бұрын
That 4th Republican type that David mentioned is so spot on and terrifying, jesus. They just want to burn it down.
@ariellawaltman6693
4 жыл бұрын
Australia has cameras and they are revenue raising machines costly fines with jail terms if you can’t pay
@Jaymaul009
4 жыл бұрын
That will definitely have a racially skewed impact in the US.
@bobbygautam3950
4 жыл бұрын
‘Gratz on 900k subs, David
@Revengex19999
4 жыл бұрын
Coleman Hughes is the black intellectual for white people lmao
@utterbullspit
Жыл бұрын
Facts!
@gorillahustle
4 жыл бұрын
Those changes last a lifetime.
@BoneBeastKimimaro
4 жыл бұрын
14:50 I'm sorry, what? Did he just say "300 cops getting shot in a year isn't a big number"? Is that just the result of desensitizing to gun violence due to how extremely common it is in the US, or does he seriously think more cops getting shot in a year than there are days is small? Even TWENTY shootings in a year is too much. America has a serious gun problem.
@mayman4255
4 жыл бұрын
It's not a huge number in terms of police violence,there are obviously violent people in america,and they want to shoot and attack the police.
@Kloutkulture
4 жыл бұрын
Next time get a real black conservative on like Jesse! AHMAYZHUIIIIN
@basedcentrist3056
4 жыл бұрын
My man coleman got a haircut
@AKGreen
4 жыл бұрын
Great conversation.
@cbinsyd
4 жыл бұрын
He thinks thru ideas, but the only reason that he is different to anyone else is that he's black and likes Trump. If it was not for this, he would just be another College student.
@joeriv5462
4 жыл бұрын
"Likes trump" What?
@dukedematteo1995
4 жыл бұрын
Doesn't like Trump......hes an IDW centrist, center left type guy.
@shoedawgproductionz5979
4 жыл бұрын
Very centrist kzitem.info/news/bejne/saevzpWCf51plm0
@amirstanfield1607
4 жыл бұрын
And he’s against reparations....he also claimed to be black only for opportunities....the guy is a fraud
@josephmayfield945
4 жыл бұрын
Source?
@amirstanfield1607
4 жыл бұрын
He says it in an interview...should be on KZitem...he talks about using being black as a way to get ahead...and also his real last name is cruise...
@josephmayfield945
4 жыл бұрын
Amir Stanfield #eyeroll
@amirstanfield1607
4 жыл бұрын
Joseph Mayfield #read
@RiseReligion
3 жыл бұрын
Maybe try to understand his reasoning? I know it's hard to hear ideas you don't agree with and retain the ability to function but I believe in you.
@tolu9838
4 жыл бұрын
I don't like how he compared citizens being afraid of being shot by police vs police being afraid of being shot by citizens. The expectation are not reasonably the same since we pay taxes and police perform a service. Sure the guy can string sentences together, but his ideas aren't quite developed as I'd like. Like others have noted. As a black guy, I think quite strange for a guy that just got his Bachelors to get propped up like this. May start my own podcast soon.
He’s propped up for the same reasons Candice Owens is propped up.
@Ray-cn1yn
4 жыл бұрын
Paying taxes to the police to perform a service doesn't negate the fact that they can and should have a healthy dose of fear for being shot in the line of duty. Gun violence in the US is outrageously high. For the number of police and citizen interactions each year, there's nothing to suggest the public at large should be afraid of being shot by the police either.
@tolu9838
4 жыл бұрын
Ray the same people that "support the police" "support the 2nd amendment." If there were no or less guns on the street like in Europe, police would have no excuse to say they were scared. Conservative positions are so self serving. The same people that say they need guns for safety, do not want to reform police and say they are all heroes by default.
@Ray-cn1yn
4 жыл бұрын
@@tolu9838 The 2nd Amendment is no more sacred than the fourth, fith, of sixth amendment. Each one can become self serving depending on who's trying to use it. The gun culture in this country isn't going away. This isn't Europe and the reality is there are more guns in our country than people. Being a police officer is a noble profession but it doesn't deserve no more of a hero title than being a school teacher.
@sueriansean
4 жыл бұрын
Looks like David is censoring/shadowing my comment for calling him out. Is it only your opinion that matters?
@karlwilzen
4 жыл бұрын
Karen much?
@cbinsyd
4 жыл бұрын
lol - poor you...
@sueriansean
4 жыл бұрын
Karl Wilzén I'm a black Susan...not a white Karen.
@shoedawgproductionz5979
4 жыл бұрын
Heres coleman on the NY subway kzitem.info/news/bejne/saevzpWCf51plm0
@mclarenf2165
4 жыл бұрын
Get em Coleman.
@brainxtc2171
4 жыл бұрын
Get who?
@shoedawgproductionz5979
4 жыл бұрын
Heres coleman on the NY subway kzitem.info/news/bejne/saevzpWCf51plm0
@RKDTOO
4 жыл бұрын
How does he "not have problems with his policies", and is "not a 'conservative'"?
@Motionedout
4 жыл бұрын
"1 in 1000 chance...". Uh yeah Coleman, but the people who are cops signed up for a dangerous job. Their job is to put their life on the line for this country's citizens. They have chosen to sacrifice everything for other Americans, that's what they get paid to do. Does a firefighter complain about higher chances of getting smoke inhalation? No. Because they understand the risks involved in fighting fires. Enough of this nonsense.
@jerryp6001
4 жыл бұрын
>Can youtube please make a 3X or 4X speed setting? I want to listen to the whole thing...but jeezus is this long and drawn out
@jojomakes
4 жыл бұрын
Random, but he looks sooooooooooooo much like Nick Gordon, wow!
@jeannettecoleman5552
4 жыл бұрын
I want to know why the police have to be so brutal towards people? Especially when a person does not pose a threat. Why would you have to shot a person in the back? Especially if you know their information and know where to find them.
@sarinat3101
4 жыл бұрын
If the person is not actually a threat to the officer or posing an immediate threat to the public, then the officer has committed a crime (see the Walter Scott shooting where the officer was sentenced to 20 years in prison). However, if the officer reasonably believes a fleeing suspect poses a danger to the community if not stopped immediately, it is legal for them to use deadly force. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner There have been horrible consequences for police allowing certain suspects to flee without using force. See this story: www.wlwt.com/article/police-man-who-stole-police-cruiser-killed-2-kids-in-crash-was-out-on-parole/28823362# That suspect was able to steal a police car without police shooting him (they used a taser), and he ended up killing 2 young girls.
@VampguyN85
4 жыл бұрын
They don't. The problem is in the training they undergo at academy before graduating and working in the field. They are taught to see everyone as a threat and be proactive not receive. I have a friend who went through Navy training to work in domestic violence and she also admitted most of their training is combat and not enough in de-escalation. She had to learn how to take a stun grenade and tear gas for example. Most trianing is on combat and weapons now words and de escalation or how to identify a threat versus not a threat and be more reactive ect.
@jeannettecoleman5552
4 жыл бұрын
@@sarinat3101 I have seen video where white people get in police officers face with no consequences.
@sarinat3101
4 жыл бұрын
@@angellover02171 Literally didn't say a word about whether it was right, wrong, what did or didn't happen. All I did was answer OP's question about police using deadly force on a fleeing suspect, and everything I said was correct. Sometimes police shoot people running away. Sometimes it's justified. Sometimes it's not (which they may or may not be punished for). And sometimes they don't shoot someone running away when they really should have.
@sarinat3101
4 жыл бұрын
@@angellover02171 Got it, thanks for clarifying that your comment was intended to be irrelevant to mine.
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