"We brought these teens together..." The teens: "My fiancee"... "My husband"
@juliahertz1788
Жыл бұрын
well I looked them all up they are all aged 18-24 so not really teens
@KristinNirvana
Жыл бұрын
@@juliahertz1788 None of them are older than 19 so I don't know who the heck you looked up but it wasn't them lol.
@juliahertz1788
Жыл бұрын
@@KristinNirvana yes they are go to the jubilee, in the description to their instagrams, 3 of them have already graduated college, 3 are 19 and the other 2 I dont know. Its probably between 18-24 I dont know extactly but that was my best guess.
@KristinNirvana
Жыл бұрын
@@juliahertz1788 But do you see how weird it is to guess that they are as old as 24 and then say "yes they are" as of that's a fact? Some teens take college classes alongside highschool classes and graduate college at the same time. Or they might just go to a 2 year community college and graduate at 19 depending on when their birthdays are. This is a teen episode. The requirement is that you can't be older than 19.
@juliahertz1788
Жыл бұрын
@@KristinNirvana bro why you so passionate about this, ALSO if you really want me to explain this, the girl who graduated has picture of her in a fucking bar drinking, like what is even your point. sorry mabey, I should of said 18-22 not 24 you happy? Also jubilee can put whatever they want as the title, it was proably a majority of teens but I am just saying some where also older. IDK why I had to explain this to you?
@Zxgrhexbj
Жыл бұрын
Destiny saying you shouldn’t get divorced but instead k!ll your spouse in such a nonchalant way made me laugh.
@unicorn73212
Жыл бұрын
Yeah but there's risks involved to your freedom like that you would have to sneak away, save your money in secret and move to a new town. Some people aren't really meant for long term commitments I don't know why that's so hard for some people to understand and what two people do in the privacy of there own sex lives is really nobody else's business other people shouldn't be able to decide what's right for someone else's body either it's a harsh reality that some people don't want to accept you are not the boss of them.
@silotx
Жыл бұрын
Killing yourself would be the better choice since you don't risk jail time and leaving your child all alone.
@Zxgrhexbj
Жыл бұрын
@@unicorn73212I think this comment was meant for someone else because if it’s not your taking what I said way too serious. I just thought it was funny how Destiny was making a joke how it would be better for your kid to have a dead parent than have divorced ones.
@blablabla7796
Жыл бұрын
@@Zxgrhexbj I can't tell if those people are just not very bright, or if they're lacking a bit on internet social cues. I understood what you meant immediately. Not sure how the other person thought that was an invitation to say whatever it is they just said just now.
@WizardofGargalondese
Жыл бұрын
It’s really funny because given the research it would be unironically more moral to kill your spouse in secret and pretend it was on accident than to divorce them.
@AkilanNarayanaswamy
Жыл бұрын
It was hilarious when Destiny gave them credit for debating well and then they immediately brought up gay sex in an abortion debate 😂
@wilsonsanabia4259
Жыл бұрын
Gotta keep the discussion inclusive
@justanotherweirdo11
Жыл бұрын
Well the prompt says unprotected sex as if all unprotected sex leads to pregnancy.
@onepartyroule
Жыл бұрын
They’re zoomers. They think same gender identity attraction is “gay”.
@justanotherweirdo11
Жыл бұрын
@@onepartyroule So you think man with a man is a straight relationship?
@BirthdayFreak67
Жыл бұрын
@@onepartyroule As the Ice Tea meme goes: "I got news for ya...."
@Cole_McWilliams
Жыл бұрын
Destiny is spot on when he said the effects of losing a parent is highly contingent on age and a variety of other factors. About two years ago my mother passed away visiting me at university. It was sudden. I was 20 at the time and it absolutely devastated me. I stopped living for a good six months grieving in self isolation, I lost contact with a lot of friends and my relationship at the time fell apart. I have an older sister (24 at the time) and a younger brother (13 at the time) who both had completely different reactions to the loss. My sister launched into action helping my dad with all the things mom used to do. She would help budget (my mom made more money than my dad so we felt her loss financially as well as emotionally) and would help cook and clean to take some of the load off my dad. She never went into a depressive state, but she certainly grieved. Then the strangest reaction came from my younger brother, who was seemingly unfazed by the event. He cried once, when we told him what happened, and never again. Kid didn’t even cry at her funeral. This worried us so much that we would sit him down multiple times to make sure he understood the gravity of the situation. It seems like he gets it, he just doesn’t feel the need to cry too much about it. I think at that age you’re still adaptable enough to take that sort of trauma in stride, but holy shit. Now that’s it’s been two years, we’re all doing a lot better. This whole thing has brought us all a lot closer, we’ve really had to pull together as a unit in order to get by. We’re still struggling financially, but I’m finishing my degree in mechanical engineering soon and hopefully I’ll be able to take some of the load off my fathers shoulders. Love you momma, R.I.P. ❤
@bradtaylor77
Жыл бұрын
Could it be that you were closer to your parents than your other siblings?
@probablypragmatic6893
Жыл бұрын
I was 30 and lost a good 6 months of my life. This was after waiting her to die after years of medical problems. Joining the half-batman club sucks
@xXwikiwiki001Xx
Жыл бұрын
much love brother my younger siblings had the same reaction to yours during a loss, while i had to simultaneously both step up my responsibilities while handle that strong depressive state every day you heal more, though nothing can replace the loss, stay strong and don't be afraid to get help
@callmewhatyouwantto
Жыл бұрын
Lost my stepmom(who was an infinitely better mother than my own) at 11, and it was more devastating than when I lost my mom at 18. I joined the Marine Corps the next day. My brothers were older and took it much harder. I'm also a bastard, and I would say living in a two family house had a significantly greater negative effect on my life than my mother dying, as crazy as that sounds. Although, having my stepmother in my life for all 11 years was an actual blessing. I still haven't met a more intelligent, pious, and sweet woman since her. Wouldn't have had it without being a bastard. And yea we should bring bastard back into the lexicon. It is a truly unique upbringing and should be studied. Anyway back to the point. I wonder if age had something to do with it, or if it was simply my connection with my step mother. And perhaps that the last words from a kid who screamed at her for not wanting to do homework on a beautiful day outside were "I hate you." And I stormed off down the street. She dropped dead from a heart attack 20 minutes later. Perhaps that trauma is why it hit harder, and why the effects of that death still linger 18 years later, and I only just miss my mom.
@AppleBaron
Жыл бұрын
My mother also passed away unexpectedly last year. When I found out I was devastated but didn't' shed a single tear. My younger sister and my aunt (who is my mother's twin sister) on the other hand cried a lot, so I thought there is something wrong with me. But then at the funeral I absolutely bawled my eyes out, so yeah, everyone have different reactions to losing a parent/family member. May our moms rest in peace.
@ethanterrell9279
Жыл бұрын
How many likes for Destiny to start Debate University to teach tactics for 49.99 a month
@Fabric_Hater
Жыл бұрын
No. Destiny will just alter evidence.
@bertthompson4748
Жыл бұрын
You can get a slice of pizza for a couple bucks and spotify anime music
@helllloooooo95
Жыл бұрын
It’s actually INSANE how well endowed Destiny is. Nothing false about this accusation
@ThaNarc
Жыл бұрын
Cuck college
@isaarunarom7830
Жыл бұрын
@@helllloooooo95 wtf are you replying too?
@mikehixon944
Жыл бұрын
At 7, when my mom left me and my disabled father, I recall strong feelings of abandonment, betrayal, resentment, and hate. Had she died, I imagine I would have held onto thoughts of a loving, caring mother after coming to terms with the loss. Yeah, I can see how the death of a parent could have a much better impact on the child than divorce.
@PicGirl904
Жыл бұрын
I don’t think it’s better, it’s just different. I’m a child of divorce and premature parental death and they aren’t comparable.
@tiz7244
Жыл бұрын
@@PicGirl904 I can personally attest that as a child the experience of an abandoned child, by both parents, is still more impactful to my day to day life than the death of a close parental relationship. I think it's a little wild to try to come to a conclusive answer for the general experiences of people, seems that it would be incredibly difficult.
@doda508
Жыл бұрын
idk i think it depends , my parengs divorced but there was no reason to feel abandoned cuz they just got joint custody and i got to keep my wii u and got 2 of every holiday so it was awesome
@SAFbikes
Жыл бұрын
@@PicGirl904 😂😂😂 “it’s just different” what percentage of kids who loose their parents (EXCEPT FOR SUICIDE) what percentage of those kids think that mommy died bc she doesn’t love us?? Sure they’re sad and have the wheepy-beepies but it’s not going to lead to lifelong abandonment issues. The same people who say Adoption is traumatic bc it leads to abandonment issues so you best be aborting that baby you don’t want also think divorce will not lead to abandonment issues 😂
@sugarbirb5145
Жыл бұрын
It’s hard to compare the two since every human is different and it can affect people in an uncountable amount of ways. However we do have a saying, it’s better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all. And also speaking as like an autistic atheistic nerd 🤓☝️ objectively, death is considerablyy more natural, than divorce, neglect, abandonment etc. it’s my theory that evolutionarily, the brain should be more equipped to be able to handle a death vs abandonment. And now soeaking subjectively, I’ll say I think the kind of trauma they write songs about making you stronger, are things like death. Meanwhile there’s developmental trauma that inhibits growth, and while both suck, one has probably less work to do to get back on track
@carronline1
Жыл бұрын
ah yes. my favourite argument when its about abortions, "gay sex"
@Sanosukeafo
Жыл бұрын
The point being that the overwhelming majority of sex isn't for the purpose of making a child. That is highlighted quite well via homosexual sex but it applies to heterosexual sex as well. My wife and I don't want kids. We have no kids. We have had sex thousands of times.
@lustrazor44
Жыл бұрын
@@Sanosukeafo Its irrelevant to the abortion debate
@Sanosukeafo
Жыл бұрын
@@lustrazor44 The point was to highlight that not all sex is for reproductive purposes, which is an important component of the abortion debate.
@ChipCheerio
Жыл бұрын
@@SanosukeafoThe point is still irrelevant from the point of of view the Catholic guy is bringing up. For the vast majority of human history and even today sex is still the primary way to create a new human. Whether or not sex is more commonly used for purposes outside of reproduction is irrelevant to what it’s primary biological objective is. And if their point was that most sex isn’t engaged in for the purpose of having a kid it’s still dumb to bring up homosexual couples. They aren’t a significant enough section of the population to be skewing the statistics here.
@Sanosukeafo
Жыл бұрын
@@ChipCheerio Incorrect. It's relevant because religious fruitcakes often state in abortion debates that sex is for specific purpose of making children, therefore sex is consent to be pregnant, as an attempt to attack the ethics of abortion. So it's extremely relevant to shut this talking point down by citing the fact that 99% of sex is for fun, not for making kids. But overall I would say both sides arguments on sex' purpose is inconsequential to the abortion debate which is instantly shut down with the 2 fold 1. A fetus is not a sentient lifeform with personhood (so it's not immoral or infringing on any rights to have an abortion) and 2. The bodily autonomy argument of nobody has a right to force you to carry a pregnancy to term (the violinist argument). Those 2 in tandem completely dismantle all the religious fruitcake anti abortion rhetoric perfectly.
@kelleym7504
Жыл бұрын
I would love to see Destiny go on a Middle Ground segment! It would be so interesting to see how he debates in that environment
@gungaginga9772
Жыл бұрын
@@sobliss5200 what topic?
@roiyagi
Жыл бұрын
well, you got your wish lol
@alecmccay7548
Жыл бұрын
I’m 27, my dad passed 6 months ago. Unfortunately our relationship was at a low point at his death we weren’t talking and there was a lot of drama. When he died it broke me as I never got to reconcile with him or even say goodbye. He died suddenly while unconscious so he wasn’t in pain. I miss you dad and I love you so much.
@dylansevitt
Жыл бұрын
Girl: My mum was sweeping restaurant floors while giving birth to 5 children alone, how can you say that she shouldn't have had kids. Same girl: I was raped reapetedly my whole childhood. 😮😮
@rkinczel
Жыл бұрын
People who live in happy households with 1 or two kids can also be molested without others knowing for years these two things aren't related. You still cant say the mother shouldn't have had kids, and he rape doesn't mean that it would have been better for her to be dead 🤷♂️
@dylansevitt
Жыл бұрын
@@rkinczel of course bad things can happen to anyone, but you increase the chance of having a shit life the less time and attention you have to give your kids especially in single parent households
@rkinczel
Жыл бұрын
@@dylansevitt unless the rape was due directly to the mother's negligence or abuse then you still cant say that she shouldn't have had kids cause she was sweeping floors with 5 kids. Obviously the child of the woman didn't hold it against the mother so it seems perhaps the blame should lie solely on the actual rapist. Also I'd rather the risk of having a bad life with the ability to have an awesome life then to be killed guaranteeing I dont have a good or bad life.
@dylansevitt
Жыл бұрын
@@rkinczel no one said anything about killing, only that if you don't have time or money to protect 2 kids maybe 5 is a bad idea.
@rkinczel
Жыл бұрын
@@dylansevitt the context is abortion so killing does come into it. But even if abortion is off the table, it's still better to be born and to experience suffering, joy, love, hatred etc than to never have been born at all. Also You don't know the circumstances of the rape so you cant say the mother even failed at all or that she was a bad mother at all, seems like the woman on here gives her mum a lot of credit and you know nothing at all about anything of their life but still will blame the mum?
@TheMtGRogue
Жыл бұрын
I lost my dad when I was 9, and then my mom at 17. One important factor behind why you have always heard people who lost parents say "Oh no, It's okay, don't worry about it" is because when you lose a parent, you are constantly asked about it. People are only being curious, or even trying to be kind, but it's still hard to constantly relive it. You very quickly learn to tell the quick version and try to move on. If only one parent died, you also become very protective of the one that survived. You learn not to show those emotions in front of them. You also fully understand that no amount of complaining can change things, while children of divorce often hold out hope (and there is no question that that can be harder). To be completely honest, I almost never talk about my childhood because it always ends up with me consoling the other person. It also doesn't feel good to be the pitiful guy that everyone feels sorry for, and depending on the story, sometimes that is inevitable.
@noammanakermorag9538
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. My Dad died when I was 12 and I had the same frustrations with feeling pitied every time I told the story again. That’s why now, at 19, most of my friends that I met after my fathers death don’t know about it. I don’t hide it or anything, if someone asks I tell them the story, but I definitely never tell it to people otherwise
@sinew1000
10 ай бұрын
My mom lost her parents at 8 and 12 and gets drunk and cries about it on a triweekly basis to me and everyone she knows since it happened like 30+ years… since I was a child she’d do this. she enjoys the pity thing
@emofascist
9 ай бұрын
Just say: "they are dead." The abruptness generally stops follow up questions since it isnt covered in euphemisms.
@travishimebaugh8381
Жыл бұрын
College kids warn Destiny that his time is over.
@TonyMezaXD
Жыл бұрын
😂
@ne0nmancer
Жыл бұрын
He'll be aborted
@LunarLocust
Жыл бұрын
The future is now, old black lady
@Lazzil
Жыл бұрын
We had a good run, boys. It's about time us old folks hang our coats and hand the reins over to the next generation. It was an honor and a privilege to work with fine individuals such as yourselves.
@tonystone10K
Жыл бұрын
Perhaps us college kids are built differently, but these are typical arguments (at least in our spaces). Does Destiny not typically have college kids on?
@ZebulaJams
Жыл бұрын
I grew up with a single mother as my dad died when I was 4 and she passed away from a sudden brain aneurism when I was 19. Given that, it irked me a bit to hear that divorce is worse than parental death.
@kanyasunhe
Жыл бұрын
If a debate makes you question your own moral ground it was a good debate. Well done to these people honestly 👏
@MisterBadman
Жыл бұрын
Lost mom at 27 (I was) and my dad at 32. They split when I was 6 and it was among the happiest days of my life when they told me dad was moving out, but I’d still see him. Loosing them, no contest was 10000X worse. The trauma of loosing my mom still messes me up!
@WarsWorth
Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry for your loss. Both of my parents are still alive. But they did get divorced when I was in 3rd grade. And I remember being pretty happy. They got along better when they no longer lived together. And then I got twice the Christmases and birthdays
@chpgmr1372
Жыл бұрын
My parents are still together and they still argue over the dumbest things. Me and all 4 of my siblings (all adults) secretly agree they should have gotten divorced decades ago even though neither of them would function much without the other. I would always imagine losing them is worse than divorce.
@Baggerz182
Жыл бұрын
repent to God
@PicGirl904
Жыл бұрын
FORREAL id love to see that survey bc my parents got divorced at 14 and my dad died at 20 and I know for a fact my dad being DEAD is lot worse and more permanent than my parents no longer cohabitating so I didn’t have to witness them fighting. Holy god id love to see people with parental problems that can overcome the finality of death.
@chpgmr1372
Жыл бұрын
@@Baggerz182 no you
@jaredc4830
Жыл бұрын
I could see parent death being less harmful to a child than divorce without a problem. However has anyone ever researched whether parents staying together in an increasingly toxic household/marriage is more harmful to child than divorce? I'd be curious to know, while strictly anecdotal I grew up in an increasingly toxic household that got worse as I got older, including but not limited to abuse from my parents as well as my parents abusing each other and I believe divorce would have been a more healthy environment for me and my brother than the toxic environment I grew up in.
@motyovszkimiklos7538
Жыл бұрын
yeah im pretty sure that the "lets stay together for the kids" is an unhealthy mindset. Sure divorce can get messy and the parents can behave in a toxic way throughout it but I cant see the relationship where your only reason to stay together is the kids, to be non-toxic either.
@imjaytho
Жыл бұрын
I think that would count as a dysfunctional family, never seen stats for that but I’ve never gone out my way to look either
@kuroichan101
Жыл бұрын
I always felt the same as a kid and no as an adult i KNOW my family wouldve been better off if my mom just left my dad
@zerorequiem42
Жыл бұрын
What a great debate. I actually feel like I gained a few brain cells instead of losing them while listening.... Which is rare.
@skagenpige88
Жыл бұрын
They avoided important topics imo...one side focused on the child ignoring the mother at all costs...shows their goal is not a debate even claiming their not forcing the woman to go through a pregnancy...when they say abortions should not be allowed.
@deriznohappehquite
Жыл бұрын
@@skagenpige88to prove the anti-choice position on abortion, you have to prove that a fetus has a right to life that overpowers the right to bodily autonomy of the mother. Really if you can prove a fetus has a right to life, you’ve eliminated all abortion with the possible exceptions of rape and medical emergency. The anti-life position is simply that the fetus does not have a right to life to countervail the right to right to bodily autonomy. Im of the opinion that we should develop non lethal abortions to remove the fetus and use cloning technology like that bag they grew a lamb in to gestate the fetus outside of the mother’s body.
@ReallyAwesomeBoy
Жыл бұрын
I was once misgendered as a cis man, my feelings were really hurt...
@WarsWorth
Жыл бұрын
I know you're probably being facicious but I got misgendered in highschool as a cis guy sometimes because my hair was super long and from behind, you'd just see my luscious locks. It never bothered me.
@3lietechhack646
Жыл бұрын
oh no, I hope you got over it!
@ReallyAwesomeBoy
Жыл бұрын
@@WarsWorth My hair wasn't that long, I was just fat, and it said to me that I look feminine. I was probably offended because I was sensitive about it, but it still isn't pleasant even if I wasn't.
@ReallyAwesomeBoy
Жыл бұрын
@@3lietechhack646 I feel like you're implying my feelings don't matter because I'm cis?
@gungaginga9772
Жыл бұрын
I think it's much worse if you're a normal male and it happens to you, very emasculating
@oohitzmario
Жыл бұрын
Imagine these kids growing up arguing with their parents about literally anything, even about getting a car or their first phone jesus
@blablabla7796
Жыл бұрын
Their argument skills seem to be grounded on what looks like a good foundation of epistemology. It's the dumb debate bros that think they can debate their way out of any situation that you'll find in dumb arguments.
@abstractdaddy1384
Жыл бұрын
That was the kind of household I had growing up. My father encouraged me to debate with him.
@irti_pk
Жыл бұрын
Kids are often argumentative anyway. The important thing is how the adult engages with their child, and if they teach them to debate in a healthy manner and actually hear them out they will probably produce better adults.
@thestoebz
Жыл бұрын
I debated my dad all of the time. He is incredibly intelligent, but also has a fiery temper. I don’t sit around debating now, but I’d feel pretty confident holding my own in a debate about things I’m knowledgeable on.
@blablabla7796
Жыл бұрын
@@thestoebz I was gonna say it’s natural, maybe even expected, for you to be good at arguing things you’re knowledgeable in. But then I remember that Rollo exists. And he’s the supposed grand father of red pill - and I’ve never seen anyone be as weak as he is in defending something he’s supposedly known the most about for decades now or something like that. So, yeah, that’s pretty cool. More people should grow up in a household where logically arguing things out is normalised.
@ClayishWall
Жыл бұрын
39:18 lmao she’s so programmed to spout that line every time slavery is mentioned that she inadvertently argued against the abolition of slavery
@chrischris7003
Жыл бұрын
Brooooo that was some funny shit
@Volmire1
Жыл бұрын
Imagine telling a Jew, in America, that "Jews ArE sUfFeRiNg ToDaaaaaaaaaaaaY!", when they were getting emotional about the holcaust....
@lubu2960
Жыл бұрын
based, the abolition of slavery ended up with black people being poorer and in worse conditions.
@NotimetoVero
Жыл бұрын
I don’t get what that has to do with fetuses. I feel like forcing a woman to remain pregnant is degrading human life.
@chrischris7003
Жыл бұрын
@@NotimetoVero if you have a five year old child, doesn't the government have the ability to force a certain amount of protection over that child? You can't just do whatever you want when other lives are involved
@mary1412
Жыл бұрын
So what they’ve found is that if you’re gonna get divorced and you care about your children… you should just kill your spouse 😂 -Destiny
@rox3725
Жыл бұрын
And the kids.
@pragmaticclarity3034
Жыл бұрын
Why does no one ever establish 'personhood' in these debates? I admit this was better than most other debates covered on this subject, but somehow personhood is just used interchangeably with 'human being.' Which seems insufficient.
@PeriOdotGladiOlus
Жыл бұрын
The director intentionally shut down the conversation every time the teens began to discuss personhood. I asked Ayala about it.
@pragmaticclarity3034
Жыл бұрын
@@PeriOdotGladiOlus Thanks for sharing, it's strange they would stop that conversation. It seems so quintessential for a good conversation on the topic.
@robertgrey1377
Жыл бұрын
Years ago… My foster mother told me it was pretty easy to become a foster parent. She said getting a fire extinguisher was one of the only things she had to do to prep her home. Have a bed for each child, a fire extinguisher, other safety things. Me and my autistic brother lived with our foster mom Arlene for a little over a year. And then one day she picked us up from school early and took us to a shopping center parking lot, where our mom was waiting. The state said it was time to go home with our mother, and my foster mom was really sad. I think she wanted to adopt us. She ended up adopting two little girls a few years later. I hear so many terrible things about the foster care system but I was lucky enough to have a good foster mom. leagues above my real mother.
@forzaacmilan36
Жыл бұрын
Arlene a top G
@beewest5704
Жыл бұрын
I hope to foster some day. Kids need a safe loving space.
@jordanwhite8718
2 ай бұрын
I think that the opinions that a child has about the foster care system really depends on who’s fostering them. If you have a good foster parent, you probably think the system is good. But I’ve talked to a couple foster moms and a lot of them basically feel like the state doesn’t support them nearly enough.
@jorgeenchilada
Жыл бұрын
Gen z are smart, i'm not surprised they know how to debate when they were born into such a contentious political climate.
@intboom
Жыл бұрын
Yup. We currently live in a world where if you make virtually any statement on any topic, some obsessive third party will Socrates you into the fucking ground, demand your submission on pain of social ostracism, and make you feel bad for existing. Gen Z GREW UP in that world, and have instinctively had to learn to either shut the fuck up, or debate EXTREMELY HARD in order to possess any kind of personal opinions against an endless torrent of experts, fundies, companies, and woketards, all trying to browbeat them into surrendering their souls.
@toasterlordtoasterlord4224
Жыл бұрын
The ones I went to school with aren't.
@97BlueFlame
Жыл бұрын
Gen Z kids carry a lot of information but have really bad processing abilities for the most part. This is a generation with constant access to information that never has to understand why they can just stunlock you with stats they don't understand for hours
@helllloooooo95
Жыл бұрын
Contentious political climate, there’s massive common ground to be found in acceptance of the fact that Destiny is packing that molten heat
@zzygyy
Жыл бұрын
Lol
@AssailantLF
Жыл бұрын
If they're gonna allow trans women in this discussion, then fathers should also be there adding their 2 cents to the discussion. I'm all for trans rights but bringing them into a discussion about pregnancy is very weird
@MegaGraceiscool
Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@NotimetoVero
Жыл бұрын
Weren’t there two men?
@jordanwhite8718
2 ай бұрын
If we’re talking about trans men, I could understand them being brought into the conversation since they might actually be able to get pregnant. But I do agree with you that that’s a very niche topic and that most people getting pregnant are heterosexual couples.
@guyfromdubai
Жыл бұрын
"Do you have a job?" "I mainly do activism" Cant make this shit up
@sarinat3101
Жыл бұрын
Woman: I have had an abortion Chat: spawn camper GIGACHAD
@Lazlo-os1pu
Жыл бұрын
Honestly I think Destiny has a very low threshold for people he considers good at debating. Listening to Erin and Pixie for example is painful. They have no idea how to structure a basic point, evidence, explain argument.
@acadianalien
Жыл бұрын
Compared to the average person, I would say Destiny's threshold is accurate. The average person in their early 20s gets uncomfortable by simply having an opinion that's not ''normal''.
@unknownname8591
Жыл бұрын
He might be comparing them to Vaush, Lance, Pacman, those guys. Compared to those guys, these kids were genius debaters!
@Kryto_Gaming
Жыл бұрын
It's been said before, but if you compare things to the average person.... it's unbelievable lol. It really does seem like most people go through life without having their beliefs challenged.
@ShengFink
Жыл бұрын
@@unknownname8591 vaush is bad and pakman isn’t great but lance is on a whole other level you can’t put them in the same sentence lmao
@johnleoks7642
Жыл бұрын
The average person can't even fathom a hypothetical lmao. These college kids are clearly not the norm.
@dustinschimmel9152
Жыл бұрын
Destiny should moderate a few debates and play the hype man for good points on both sides it would be like wild n out with nick cannon
@123sleepygamer
Жыл бұрын
Holy shit that's an amazing idea
@TyroneBackyardiagains
Жыл бұрын
I really want to see that happening
@Dogan_TM
Жыл бұрын
But how's he gonna play his autism games if he has to hype up the debaters? Think of my close friend Steven before suggesting something like that again, okay?
@1quality140
Жыл бұрын
He would become the jimmy Fallon of the debate world
@sugami82
Жыл бұрын
You really needed that UT announcer sound bite "DOUBLE KILL!" 😂
@k.ccomments3149
Жыл бұрын
I think especially when you’re talking about kids the divorce is probably harder simply because I feel like I’ve heard many kids say that they feel like the divorce was their fault whereas, when a parent dies, I would imagine it’s super rare for the child to feel like they were at fault
@4th_wall511
Жыл бұрын
unless they are bruce wayne
@DragonAlchemist0
Жыл бұрын
Parental separation can have worst effects than death of parents. And that is usually due to the parents themselves. Parent having very unhealthy separation can cause issues to the child by the drastic change in parents behaviors. Add the fact parents do tend to weaponize there children in the disputes. Or bribing the child to take there side.
@dream1430
Жыл бұрын
Hot, admittedly toxic take: People who get traumatized by parental separation are just weak
@seriall1337
Жыл бұрын
@@dream1430 People who have to put disclaimers in front of their comments to midigate the fallback are pussies.
@timtim101
Жыл бұрын
lol Destiny realising that he's damaged his son more by abandoning his exwife than if he had died.
@EricWeston
Жыл бұрын
They forgot the most important part: Abortion is a privilege. Rights don’t require modern technology, medicine, or someone else to do something.
@Sanosukeafo
Жыл бұрын
Bodily autonomy is a right. Abortion is a form of exercising bodily autonomy.
@MissingYouser
Жыл бұрын
@@Sanosukeafo If bodily autonomy is what people are mainly worried about, do they feel the same about a woman who wants to damage the fetus in her without killing it? It's legal to drink beer, mess with cat litter, and do legal drugs that will damage or disfigure the fetus right at this very moment. Do people who support bodily autonomy support a parent that chooses to purposefully damage the fetus leading to permanently disabled children? If they support killing this should be fair game for them.
@Sanosukeafo
Жыл бұрын
@MissingUser I would say that your scenarios more comes down to a question of policy enforcement. How do you prove a mother's baby got f'd up because they touched cat litter and how do you prove that in court to punish them? I will just say that if you are going to get an abortion, drinking and smoking and all that is fully acceptable. The fetus is not a sentient person and the mother has bodily autonomy. But if you're planning to take the kid to term you should avoid unhealthy activities to the best of your ability because the child to be born will be sentient and you would be messing up their life.
@MissingYouser
Жыл бұрын
@@Sanosukeafo I’m not trying to enforce policy or punish people, I’m only focusing on what is proper. Whether someone brings a pregnancy to term or not has nothing to do with bodily autonomy. So would you support people purposefully mangling the fetus just enough to keep it alive because they want it to live a life of suffering or so that they can get a check for their disabled kid after they’re born? Gene editing technologies like CRISPR claim that this can be the future. It seems like this is something that people who support choice in pregnancy would be first in line to fight for since they already support the killing. Isn’t that true?
@chpgmr1372
Жыл бұрын
Happy parents has got to be number 1 regardless of divorce or not. Unhappy parents staying together has got to be worse than happy parents being divorced. Even happy adoptive parents are better than unhappy biological parents staying together.
@Altitudes
Жыл бұрын
I'd guess the divorce/death thing is that the parents get an opportunity to screw up the child psychologically and the child will internalise all sorts of lasting relationship issues. It can come with abandonment issues from an estranged parent and things like that. The death will be one major traumatic event to process and move on from. The major difference will be that there are ways you can handle divorce well. You can't really have a parent die and still find a way to co-parent.
@3Katapa
Жыл бұрын
One thing that I dont think gets brought up enough if the skills each parent provides. If one dies, especially early, you lose out on all the things they could and should teach you.
@FrancisBurns
Жыл бұрын
I don't know man, ask batman!
@southernlogicyt
Жыл бұрын
Seems like it wasn’t just divorce but more so a divorce where one parent leaves the child’s life entirely causing abandonment issues whereas in death the parent isn’t there but didn’t choose to leave the child of their own free will so the child doesn’t feel as tho it may be because of them
@martincerny3294
Жыл бұрын
@@3Katapathe thing with divorce is that once lawyers get involved it becomes a battle. Battle for property and usually for children and people often become quite nasty doing all sorts of fucked up shit and weaponizing their children. Parent dying is just parent dying, it’s sad but that’s about it.
@sommerblume9671
Жыл бұрын
@@martincerny3294 Parent dying is just parent dying lol... If you're a robot, maybe, yeah.
@hrolfthestrange
Жыл бұрын
The death vs divorce thing def depends. I weirdly incidentally have a large numbers of friends who had parents die early in life and also my own. My father's death I think was less negatively impactful to me and my brother than the friction of my parents in early life due to my father being an addict and his death was suddenly but resulting out of those addictions which I think made it a lot easier overall because even though it was sad and there was a lot of letting go of possible futures where things got better, it also seemed to slot easily into 'well it's for the best and this is sort of just desserts for years and years of abusive behavior'. On the other hand someone I knows mother died early in their life from cancer and even though the mother was borderline abusive, the death wasn't arising out of those problems and that seems to have affected them more, but the death was very slow and foreseen for years which I think is a factor that changes things as well but it seems like they really have a hard time letting go of the possibility of future reconciliation. On the other hand another friend's mother who was by all accounts a generally good mother die from cancer that was similarly slow and foreseen and they seemed to have a reasonable time getting that closure. Finally I had another friend whos father with whom they had a positive/healthy relationship with die in a freak accident and they seemed to have a very hard time as well and seemed very hostile to the world after. I think these lead me to think: if your parents die your relationship with them relative to the manner in which they die is super important. If you had a really bad relationship a sudden death especially linked to the manner in which the relationship was bad is easier, you don't get closure BUT you can give up a lot of the sentimentality because that parent clearly did an action to ruin any chance of having a better relationship, BUT for a healthy relationship a slow death is probably better because it gives you the ability to get closure, the parent themselves hopefully comfort you before their passing and you can reflect on good memories even at the end, but if a parent with a healthy relationship dies suddenly it would seem like there is no closure and even worse that the world in many ways is evil and unjust for the sudden taking of a good person.
@IAmAllEyes
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think it totally depends on circumstances. If your parent’s divorce happens because there’s alcoholism, abuse, sexual abuse, etc then sure. That can definitely be more traumatic than a parent’s death. However there are compounding factors that make this true. Most people I know who’s parents divorced, still have a great relationship with their parents. Maybe it’s an anecdote, but I don’t think they would have suffered less if their mother or father would have croaked. It totally depends on the situation and why the divorce is even happening. Maybe I’m may be biased because I grew up being raised by two amazing parents who always put me and my siblings first. My father stopped smoking a pack a day when he realized it would be harmful for my mother’s pregnancy. I honestly had the perfect parents, but I do understand that if my situation had been any different I would have a totally different opinion.
@TapDat52K
Жыл бұрын
This is a great thought process. I just wish it was spaced to not be a block of text. More people need to read it
@zuxu4n
Жыл бұрын
I agree. It is almost completely circumstantial. As someone who lost their mother at 16 in a way that almost combines the Death vs. Divorce situation, I feel as though it is not important to discuss which one is worse but to have every case depend on the factors surrounding it. Before my mother did it to herself, she tried to file a divorce in an attempt to make me, my sister, and my father think she left for other reasons. This did not work (I don't want to get into it) and she eventually passed while she was still legally in the marriage. Would this traumatic experience be a lot worse if I thought she left for no reason I will never know. What I do know is that my situation is very different from the next persons and it is a much better to judge each situation separately than to group it all into one.
@hrolfthestrange
Жыл бұрын
@@TapDat52K thanks, and yeah I always just type YT comments on my phone and mostly while I'm at work, hence the typos and terrible format, I'll try and clean it up in a bit.
@jumpvelocity3953
Жыл бұрын
The whole reasoning is that the divorce has probably much more negative impact, not because of the act of divorcing itself but the reasoning and events leading up to it. Death is an inevitability and an unfortunate thing (unless by suicide), but divorce has intention and decision making. I don’t know how to explain it, but while it does depend just by logic alone you can overwhelmingly deduce how divorce is a more probable negative on the child.
@alexandsimba
Жыл бұрын
The funny thing to me is that these anti-abortion people 99% of the time also don't give shit about funding support programs for both the mother and her child. It should be their choice if they pay for the health insurance of another person or themselves, but it shouldn't be a another woman's choice what she does with the health of her body.
@thepubquiz3198
Жыл бұрын
Hi there. I do agree, that most anti abortion people, in the USA at least, don't seem to place much importance on funding support programs etc which is an issue. Yet you stated "........what she does with the health of her body." And I do understand your point, yet is there a point in gestation when it is no longer, just her body ? For example, so I can understand your principal on this, to use an extreme scenario, at 8 months in gestation, is it still just her own body ?
@chrislastname1994
Жыл бұрын
If the divorce isn't amicable and you're parents are at each other's throat it could be harder to deal with than a death.
@Desdress
Жыл бұрын
im confused cause destiny didnt tell me who won the debate. can i still get the abortion when im 32?
@Amick2003
Жыл бұрын
I can’t tell if your joking or not but Destiny is pro choice
@donaldford2849
Жыл бұрын
I'm pro choice till the development of the brain.
@NotimetoVero
Жыл бұрын
@@donaldford2849 which is also contested. Some professionals say is 24 weeks. Some say it’s a soon as 18 weeks. Either way, most abortion happens within 12 weeks.
@billygriffith8933
Жыл бұрын
“I think I was 6 weeks pregnant , maybe 5 weeks and 7days “ 💀
@EAGDemolitionz
Жыл бұрын
Me playing D4 going through dungeons on my rogue while watching Destiny watch a debate as he plays D4 and runs through dungeons on his rogue. Now I just gotta dye my hair blue!
@eSxExcellence
Жыл бұрын
As someone that had their parents divorce young, and now have one parent that had a quadruple bypass, and a mom with stage 4 lung cancer. I’d much rather have them get married and divorced 4x over
@headkicked
Жыл бұрын
At 14 my parents were divorced and my mom died from a brain aneurysm. My mother's death had much more of an impact on me. It led me to be depressed for just over a decade. That's just my experience, I cannot speak for anyone else.
@CicutaLupus
Жыл бұрын
Also, has anyone EVER researched exactly what kind of resources that a fetus pulls from a woman's body while she's pregnant? And TWO, has anyone ACTUALLY researched what happens in the foster care system? It's not pretty. If they don't lose someone in foster care. Which has happened quite often as well. More people have also died during pregnancy/delivery than during abortion. On average, 8.8 women out of 100,000 live births have died during child birth, where as 0.6 women out of 100,000 abortions have died.
@MissingYouser
Жыл бұрын
I believe most people think choice is ok when both parties are actually in critical danger. Killing with the thought of "possibly" being in danger isn't acceptable to some though.
@luvaznsandrice
Жыл бұрын
Lmfao Destiny putting his hand up in solidarity at 37:24 was perfect.
@frankbarrie6785
Жыл бұрын
Wow... Impressive how they're able to voice their arguments so well. There is still hope for the future after all
@cadenceew7933
Жыл бұрын
I think it’s mainly experience over argumentative skills. No college kid I know has gone through, and thus thought heavily about what most of those people have. If we were to quiz them on other topics I’d be interested in their responses/arguments.
@DerickTherving
Жыл бұрын
If it's not a human with moral worth you're killing why were you grieved to make the decision?
@johnmiddleton9901
Жыл бұрын
I grieved when my computer broke
@DerickTherving
Жыл бұрын
@@johnmiddleton9901 because that computer has worth and value to you, if the fetus isn't a human it would be like grieving over removing a tumor.
@xXWorldgamefunXx
Жыл бұрын
@@DerickTherving he kind of refuted your initial statement, grieve doesn't require a human with moral worth dying. You can experience grieve over all kinds of things.
@beewest5704
Жыл бұрын
Ppl grieve having to put down their animals or accidently cause their death.
@jordanwhite8718
2 ай бұрын
A lot of women who get abortions probably grieve the fetus because of what it could’ve been. No one goes into abortion clinic skipping. They’re not happy that they’re getting rid of the baby. A lot of women who get abortions just aren’t in the position to raise a kid and it’s unfortunate that they have to do this. do you think that all women getting abortions are just gleefully entering the clinic singing a happy tune?
@ll2323
Жыл бұрын
The unborn don’t have a voice because they don’t exist in this world yet.
@azraeldemuirgos9518
Жыл бұрын
Your logic is so stupid it's note even funny, a pregnancy at 8 months also cannot speak yet (as they are in the womb) so by your logic, they don't exist yet, right?
@aussieglizzy6998
Жыл бұрын
I guess infants and babies dont as well
@ll2323
Жыл бұрын
@@aussieglizzy6998 those are already born and have a voice.
@MissingYouser
Жыл бұрын
@@ll2323 If something doesn't exist we shouldn't be able to see it.
@ll2323
Жыл бұрын
@@MissingYouser we’re speaking on autonomy. Not if I can touch, I can see it then it’s real… that’s too simplistic to confirmation of a soul.
@aguspuig6615
Жыл бұрын
my heart goes out to the chatter that said ''why are we watching tier 1 arguments'' i hope dad comes back with the milk
@mcbean1
Жыл бұрын
@27:30 100% you have the right to kick them out, especially if this person started to take your resources without your permission. Is it a super moral thing to do, maybe maybe not, doesn't mean you can't do it.
@trapsarentgaymcgee5202
Жыл бұрын
Ngl, this might be the best convo, debate Jubilee has ever hosted. This people are in college too holy shit.
@aguspuig6615
Жыл бұрын
I love how the red haired girl carefully lies out the argument of sex not necesarily being for reproductive purposes, tripping the guy into saying ''well i meant it as in the natural way sex was intended'' wich is a phrase you can atack easily. And then the othe girl tries to claim an assist by just saying ''ummm actually gay sex, quite heteronormative, yes yes''
@animeFAN1743
Жыл бұрын
That statistic about death/divorce pisses me off so much because my parents were nearing the end of their marriage as I was finishing high school. They wanted to wait until all their kids were grown and out of school, but then my dad was diagnosed with cancer. He suffered for a year and my mother stayed with him because why go through a divorce when you know someone is dying. I'd give ANYTHING for my dad to still be alive, even if it meant he and my mom were divorced. If I was still in school and they got a divorce, it would be hard, but at least I'd still have my parents.
@3lietechhack646
Жыл бұрын
I guess it depends on the situation. I didn't read the study on the death/divorce thing, but I'd assume that you're the exception not the rule. The fact that your parents were waiting for all their kids to be out of school before divorcing shows how they were thinking of their kids' wellbeing. You often have divorce when the kid is 10 yo, and it does mess them up. I obviously don't know anything about you, but I'd assume if a couple can wait for all their kids to grow up before divorcing, then the situation isn't all that bad compared to people that divorce when their kids are still small. For me personally, I'd take my parents divorcing over any of them dying (I'm talking when I was a kid, not now because I'm 21 and my parents divorcing wouldn't really change much for me). But that's because they had a good relationship (of course there's arguments and fights, but it's not that bad). Maybe if the relationship was bad, then a divorce would have been a lot harder on me. Idk though, this is just hypotheticals.
@okaydetar821
Жыл бұрын
Anecdote doesn't counter statistics.
@animeFAN1743
Жыл бұрын
@@okaydetar821 okay and?? I said it pisses me off, not that it was untrue 🙄🙄
@okaydetar821
Жыл бұрын
@@animeFAN1743 That sounds like a problem for you and your therapist.
@animeFAN1743
Жыл бұрын
@@okaydetar821 its crazy that you think you need to tell me to go to therapy over a KZitem comment 😂😂 literally go bother someone else
@TheRealRhasta
Жыл бұрын
As someone who lost their mother when I was 9 years old I would give anything in the world besides my kids to have my mother alive even if her and my father gotten divorced. The reason I give the same answer as most people in my scenario is because I don't want to talk about or make things uncomfortable.
@jesselong1622
Жыл бұрын
Preach it's that childhood trauma
@blacksabbath6227
Жыл бұрын
Ngl I think those kids arguments actually made me pro-life. It was very well thought out.
@NotimetoVero
Жыл бұрын
It’s really easy to be anti-choice when you’re a man.
@user-zz8ey6lx6q
Жыл бұрын
@@NotimetoVero it’s really easy to be a gullible sociopath when you’re a woman 😂 (sorry that was my misogyny showing, that was my father talking I’m learning and growing and will be a better good little Femboy in the future)
@NotimetoVero
Жыл бұрын
@@user-zz8ey6lx6q ok, if you’re going to answer me so much, I’ll give you something to answer to. Let’s say two parents who have congenital liver issues have a kid. They knew for a fact their kid would need a partial liver transplant once they were born. The dad is a match. Dad agrees to the transplant but as the date came closer, he backed out, said he didn’t want to risk the medical (and thus financial) issues, and he rescinded his agreement to provide his child with the necessary organ and fluid they needed to continue living. Should the government incarcerate or harvest the fathers organs? I’ll clarify that the mom cannot give a part of their liver. So all of the physical and legal burden falls squarely on the fathers shoulders. Edit: sent this to another anti-choice commenter and haven’t gotten a response ❤️🩹
@user-zz8ey6lx6q
Жыл бұрын
@@NotimetoVero first of all like I said earlier the father is in the wrong however it shouldn’t be the government’s responsibility to take from the man it should be the parents responsibility to find another matching donor if they’re not willing to donate from themselves and explore every available option if they don’t do that they’re irresponsible and horrible human beings for putting a child into this situation and are not willing to properly care for their own flesh and blood. Now as far as the government goes that is completely idiotic and there should be no reason why that should be brought up in the first place The government didn’t put these two people together the government didn’t force them to have sex the government is not responsible for that child until they say they no longer take responsibility for the life they brought into existence. Now please tell me how this relates to the discussion above.
@NotimetoVero
Жыл бұрын
@@user-zz8ey6lx6q so women who rescind their agreement to give a fetus access to their organs, also shouldn’t be forced by the government to continue a pregnancy? 🤔 The baby is completely dependent on the father giving up his bodily autonomy, no one else can give it an organ. It’s the dad or it dies and the dad agreed to give up his organ before they had kids. Is that murder? The mom was responsible! She held up her end of the bargain and gave birth, how it the mom irresponsible? Is she not allowed to have kids at all?! ISNT THAT EUGENICS?
@csharpcoffee
Жыл бұрын
Death of a parent is worse than mentally sane parents being divorced. I've gone through having my parents get a messy divorce and was even involved into it around my late teens against my will. I still can't even remotely call this as bad as having my mother or father die today, in my mid twenties. They divorced when I was 10 btw.
@butthurttaco8636
Жыл бұрын
Divorce to me hit harder than when. My step father died. He was my dad however I came to terms with it alot faster than divorce. Divorce so many times kids blame themselves for the parents separating
@AkaiKnight
Жыл бұрын
The whole poverty argument for abortion always makes me wince, its tacitly admitting that poor people shouldn’t exist lol
@johnmiddleton9901
Жыл бұрын
how lol
@thunderboltvintage2084
Жыл бұрын
They used to call that tactic eugenics.
@thunderboltvintage2084
Жыл бұрын
@John Middleton 99% of the human race was born in to poverty. Being poor doesn't hurt children.
@sticks7857
Жыл бұрын
Being poor is for foreigners like the chinese, that's why we outsourced the bottom of our social ladder to them. Us enlightened westerners have better things to do like getting paid to drink cappucinos in a bean bag chair at the headquarters of some tech giant.
@johnmiddleton9901
Жыл бұрын
@@thunderboltvintage2084 pretty sure that by any metric you can think of children are better off not being born into poverty, longer expected lifetime, better health, higher levels of happiness and lower crime rates.
@hrknesslovesu
Жыл бұрын
Proud mother watches her children employ everything they know from watching her :)
@TheKeefeStone
Жыл бұрын
& when we were trying to abolish slavery, slavers DID IN FACT SAY "Don't like slavery? Don't own a slave then". Literally the EXACT argument pro-abortionists use.
@scottd52843
Жыл бұрын
People question why premarital sex is such a big deal until they have an unplanned pregnancy. Then they can rationalize abortion because everyone else is doing it. People used to rationalize slavery once to.
@taffy2979
Жыл бұрын
So married people never get an abortion? Or is it only bad for unmarried couples.
@ThePainkiller9995
Жыл бұрын
"thing from the past was bad so everything i dislike is bad"
@hotlinewav
Жыл бұрын
@@ThePainkiller9995 right?
@scottd52843
Жыл бұрын
@@ThePainkiller9995 So you think killing babies is good? Not that long ago, even the Democrats wanted it to be a last resort. Like I said... Rationalizing.
@el4244
Жыл бұрын
Pro Life people need to use emotionally charged words like slaughter, because they don't have an argument besides their feelings being hurt.
@patrickd5274
Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure the argument is scientifically its a human life and it's wrong to kill it and you just didn't pay attention. If pro-life people didn't have an argument there wouldn't be any restrictions at all.
@sammatthew2841
Жыл бұрын
@@patrickd5274 the rights of the host(aka the mother) overweighs that of the parasite(if it has any). There is nothing wrong with abortion up until the moment of birth
@azraeldemuirgos9518
Жыл бұрын
Ah, good old projection
@favournjoku7594
Жыл бұрын
What the issue? Pro choice does it, plus the word choice is accurate assuming you consider the unborn to be alive
@patrickd5274
Жыл бұрын
@@sammatthew2841 it's your right to have that opinion but thankfully you're in an extreme minority of people that think that way. I personally don't think you should kill fully formed humans for any reason but that's just me. Also definitionally its not a parasite, which is ironic given that your use of inflammatory language disproves the posts point
@ihaveachihuahau
Жыл бұрын
Probably in the case of a parent death, the rest of the family tends to help out much more. Maybe that's why it turns out better, vs divorce, where the family doesn't really feel as much of a need to get involved since both parents are there. Plus the aspect of the family never really "breaking apart"/ not as many fights with a death means the remaining family stays together more cohesively.
@CumtownAndConspiracyClips
Жыл бұрын
That makes sense.
@pugsley201
Жыл бұрын
Maybe a sudden death isn’t as bad as divorce, but watching them be destroyed physically and mentally by an invisible illness for several years before they die and dealing with their erratic behavior and constant chaos and the slow decay of your family is not better than divorce. I wish I could have lived through a divorce instead lol. In my case also my moms family didn’t help out much. My dads did where they could
@yourewelcome9996
Жыл бұрын
"You are not white enough to live".... I just don't understand how young, old, intelligent, or not, are okay with the constant white hate over every other race. Doing it to any race period is insane. There's a hierarchy of which races you can talk the most sh*t about and whites are on the top of that list. Good debate though. I have hope for our future cause I was an animal when I was the kids ages
@user-cd4ms6cf8l
Жыл бұрын
You shouldn't be ashamed of your race. Not a hard take 😮
@yourewelcome9996
Жыл бұрын
@@user-cd4ms6cf8lWhat sentence led you to believe that?
@xXAscendingPhoenixXx
Жыл бұрын
"There's a hierarchy of which races you can talk the most sh*t about and whites are on the top of that list" And you're basing that on what exactly?
@semplybalanced3210
Жыл бұрын
The reason white ppl are on the top of that “hate” list is because they’ve have done the most hateful shit you could ever imagine to so many people across the globe. So, cope ?
@Semjasa616
Жыл бұрын
"I have never met someone with trauma from a parent dying early".... right never met a girl with daddy issues, never met a little, a mid and so on.
@CapitalWorksPro
Жыл бұрын
The right answer feels like it's not necessarily the divorce itself that impacts the childrens' mental health, but rather how the overwhelming majority of parents act during and after a divorce. Blaming divorce is a way to deflect personal responsibility for how the parents act.
@Conantas
Жыл бұрын
Yeah like a divorce usually carries a lot of anger and resentment and heartache. Idk how that wasn't brought up.
@unh0lys0da16
Жыл бұрын
One thing that always baffles me as a European is that every American couple that gets a divorce immediatly gets a divorce lawyer and then fights over custody. Like what the fuck?
@CapitalWorksPro
Жыл бұрын
@unh0ly s0da bad financial incentives, and a culture of expectations that the person who gets primary custody will withhold the children from the other. It is pretty fucked up, and highlights how bad our society is at handling our emotions like adults.
@SuperRayW
Жыл бұрын
We didn't evolve to enjoy sex just as a little reward from the universe for existing, that pleasure evolved in order to incentivize doing something necessary to our existence. It's the same reason food tastes good. We wouldn't even be having a pro/anti-abortion debate if people weren't treating it like a drug addiction that they have no control over.
@taffy2979
Жыл бұрын
What's the conclusion to your argument? No sex unless it's for the purpose of creating a child
@SuperRayW
Жыл бұрын
@@taffy2979 no, it's that humans aren't dumb animals. We understand there are consequences to our actions. The 2 girls who had abortions admitted they had unprotected sex and weren't on birth control; they didn't even do the bare minimum to prevent the consequences they new exist, then claimed they were being "responsible" by having an abortion. They exercised their bodily autonomy, they made consenting choices, and then they took the easy way out rather than taking responsibility for their actions. How hard is it to not let a dude dump a load in you without some kind of protection? Do women lack agency?
@fuzzinator9523
Жыл бұрын
as someone who's dealt with parents splitting and an early parent death the death was definitely much worse
@pete8634
Жыл бұрын
my mom died when i was 13, the reason i say no no its okay is cause you grow up hearing people say im sorry and shit constantly so its easier to just get past it
@joshuaadrian480
Жыл бұрын
My mother died when I was 12 and I'm in my mid 20s now, i have been able to move past that, but I credit that to the time that has past, but also to the fact that I was too young to really grasp the full weight of what was going on. Like how if she died when i was say 18 or 19, the ramifications would have been much more obvious I think
@pete8634
Жыл бұрын
@@joshuaadrian480 happy for you that you were able to move past it, for me it basically derailed my entire life because I was essentially left alone once she died. I think it all comes down to circumstance of course
@joshuaadrian480
Жыл бұрын
@@pete8634 totally, Its certainly circumstances, although my experience was going into a shitty living situation with my stepdad for the next 8 years, so that came with its own slew of issues. I'm sorry it worked out like that in your situation :/
@theclerk3163
Жыл бұрын
In all honesty I felt that destiny throughout this debate used the wrong upgrade tree for puncture as one clearly does more dps. In addition, flurry is a much better option for the way destiny fights. No wonder he was struggling so much smh
@jakejager
Жыл бұрын
I'm dying, "Damn, double homicide!"
@TurtleChad1
Жыл бұрын
They're almost as good as the blue haired woman.
@helllloooooo95
Жыл бұрын
You guys seen his hog? Destiny the caucasian cum machine dudes a fuckin stallion
@mikasasukasa4479
Жыл бұрын
I didn't know a bot could edit their comment.
@shang0h
Жыл бұрын
If a parent dies you can glamorize their memory, and there's less chance of them disappointing you later in adulthood, I can see it being very traumatizing in the short term, but possibly even a positive in a sense, if that parent was actually a real dirtbag but wasn't around long enough to pass that on
@GiltleyRage
Жыл бұрын
Now that's fucking impressive. All of them looks like bunch of random kids but are more articulate than many PHDs. Even the ones I don't agree with I'm like, damn, girl, that's such a well constructed argument.
@4th_wall511
Жыл бұрын
PHDs? lol chill dude
@GiltleyRage
Жыл бұрын
@@4th_wall511 Never heard a PHD who talk like a dumb person? I envy you then xD
@tmzz3609
Жыл бұрын
16:30 Should have asked her if she was born to a single mom........ Ill bet money she was? Follow it up with straight up asking her if she wishes her mom had aborted her for the EXACT same reasons......... I wish she had.
@user-zz8ey6lx6q
Жыл бұрын
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@mcbean1
Жыл бұрын
@6:36 I bet if you asked anyone who had living parents still married, would you prefer 1 die or for them to separate, i bet almost 100% would opt for separation over death
@lordkingaling4253
Жыл бұрын
My father died when I was 7 I didn’t know what death was so it never bothered me, obviously I was depressed when I noticed he wasn’t there anymore but as I got older I’ve noticed I have a underlying hidden anger deep within in me, and I can’t really explain it but I think I know where it’s from. I use this anger in the gym all the time so I don’t bottle it up.
@mixmasterroshi1994
Жыл бұрын
I feel like it would set up a mindset for the kid that love is not something they may always get now, as the parents promised that to each other, but they didn't keep it. So how can you trust the same promise to you?
@irti_pk
Жыл бұрын
Kids can reach that conclusion for dysfunctional, loveless marriages that don't end too. Though yes, if compared to losing a parent it probably preserves those ideas
@mixmasterroshi1994
Жыл бұрын
@irti_pk yeah that was my only comparison. I agree that just staying in an abusive relationship is no better or arguably worse than splitting up if that's the comparison.
@lancesmith4779
Жыл бұрын
27:00 That snowstorm line was hard! Im here for all of this tho great vid
@w00passBurns
Жыл бұрын
A developing foetus is a loading bar to becoming human. If the loading bar is not complete you can cancel the download guilt free. when in the development is that loading bar of 'person-hood' complete is up for debate, sure, but a 5 week foetus is no where near a fully downloaded 'human being'. My personal position on this and ill happily ignore people who try and change my mind because their arguments always suck. The larger black girl is fuckin annoying and self righteous.
@skagenpige88
Жыл бұрын
Its abit sad putting a huge decision for a woman into that but yes totally agree, I hope the Constance girl will finally see someone forcing her to do something is a bad thing-
@MissingYouser
Жыл бұрын
What if you purposefully corrupt the file and still download it? Is that something you support? I don't see why not if you support cancelling.
@skagenpige88
Жыл бұрын
@@MissingYouser You have not given a reason you would want to corrupt the file to begin with?
@MissingYouser
Жыл бұрын
@@skagenpige88 Why would I need to give one? Choice is choice. If someone thinks you can cancel anytime before the download finishes, only corrupting would be in line with that. In order to see what’s really going on you need to look beyond the human language. For example, we have different words for a sunflower and a sunflower seed just so that we can understand what someone else is talking about. The truth is that from an objective nature perspective, they are the exact same “creature” in different states of development. A caterpillar and a butterfly are the exact same thing even though we humans have different words for them. When a human muscle cell takes in nutrients, it simply becomes a bigger muscle cell. When a zygote takes in nutrients it becomes a “bigger zygote”. It’s just a stage of development for humans. Lived experience and all that is completely irrelevant to humans and zygotes being the exact same creature. Both are alive, both are the same creature. Early stage humans have been being killed this whole time without much remorse.
@skagenpige88
Жыл бұрын
@@MissingYouser There are reasons people stop a pregnancy...there are no reason i personally would want to spend time downloading something and corrupting it doing so. I'd actually think that would be a stupid thing to do.
@cindyjoy6938
Жыл бұрын
The parental death vs divroce is tough. I can see either, but from personal experience of my mom dying a little over a year ago, i cry almost every other day thinking about her. I also now have an extremely tough relationship with my dad, a lot of hatred and i feel left forgotten a lot because of my dads "not girlfriend but girlfriend" and her family. But people are different
@bhutehole
Жыл бұрын
@13:20 I really wish she said doublekill like destiny. Would had made my day
@uku5840
Жыл бұрын
Instead of asking the question, "how does divorce correlate with mental illness of children." Instead ask, "how does mental illness among children correlate with divorse?" 🤔
@edwing8895
Жыл бұрын
As a Democrat who’s anti-abortion I’m glad to know them personally. They’re wonderful people and let’s just say years of going back and forth can make you professional. Also shoutout to the @EqualRightsInstitute that makes prolifers make coherent arguments.
@Ez.bake_evan
Жыл бұрын
Why do they always try to lump foster care and adoption together? They are very different things, and adoption is usually an extremely positive thing for children. When you are adopted you are literally chosen by your new parents because they wanted you. That’s a lot more special than just having a kid because you happened to have sex.
@usucdik
Жыл бұрын
Kinda weird you're trying to separate it. You're words would make sense more if you were talking about pets, but adopting human kids is not something lightly done or even an easy process. But sure, adoption is great! Yeah, now if only every kid could be adopted just the same. Foster parents? What's that? I only know adoption because every kid is wanted as a full fledged family member!
@MarbleHause
Жыл бұрын
That double homicide clip is crazy 😂
@ArdghalTheThinker
Жыл бұрын
lmao the FFVII edit to that blue dungeon bossfight was epic
@emikochan13
Жыл бұрын
when my parents separated I blamed myself for like 10 years before i actually found out why they separated. If my mom had died that would have been way better for me at least.
@STOPTHECLOWNS581
Жыл бұрын
My parents did separate because of me and I wear that like a badge of honour
@dream1430
Жыл бұрын
This is such a weird take to me
@charliealves9148
Жыл бұрын
You would of rather had your mom die than separate from your dad?
@jaredc4830
Жыл бұрын
13:47, this woman made a strange mistake while talking about how far along she was at the time of an abortion. "5 weeks and 7 days." Maybe she is just confused? Maybe she isn't being truthful? I am not sure, but that's an awfully weird mistake, considering she had said 6 weeks right before that. While those are the same thing, the correction only to fumble the wording is peculiar.
@kkistbh824
Жыл бұрын
Destiny needs to get invited to go on the show
@lappelduvide7177
Жыл бұрын
I think he's going on in late june
@HighMightyWeasel
Жыл бұрын
I appreciate the addition of final fantasy music and fanfare for when destiny focuses on killing that enemy.
@pedrob7374
Жыл бұрын
half of these arguments are so 1st world issues... you are almost never (unless you are the top 20%) 100% ready to have a kid... especially emotionally... you grow a LOT when you have a kid, and you really don't get it until you do It.
@DavidJones-ot8qu
Жыл бұрын
Monetarily, sure; but this thinking is why people, on average, are emotionally stunted. Parents often have kids when they are also emotionally stunted, which sabotages the futures of their children
@mattumbras7003
Жыл бұрын
23:39 I'm so disappointed the rest of the "Did you know-" response wasn't "seven days is a week"
@courtney9180
Жыл бұрын
the zoomers were raised on daily wire and vowsh they’ve been trained for this
@bajsmongo2000
Жыл бұрын
if they were using Vauwsh tactics they'd just be reading from a thesaurus and doing the anime galsses adjustment.
@helllloooooo95
Жыл бұрын
You guys seen Steve B Jr with his kit off? Dudes a fuckin tripod
@helllloooooo95
Жыл бұрын
The second not junior oops
@bluefootedpig
Жыл бұрын
One thing not mentioned is many families plan for a set number of kids. So if you were aborted, or you aborted a kid, that doesn't mean there are less lives / souls. If I was aborted, my mother would have had a different child.
@guccimane3731
Жыл бұрын
Damn, that Star of David between her eyes in the thumbnail 😂😂😂😂
@aguspuig6615
Жыл бұрын
''i dont think we should reserve having children only for those without mental health issues'' is probably the worst idea ive heard said outloud in quite some time, even with the cleanest most sugar coated lawyer type lenguage it sounds stupid
@CicutaLupus
Жыл бұрын
Really? Cause I've had plenty of Cis people get upset at me because I misgendered them. "I am NOT a man, thank you very much." Is what I hear from a lot of cis women. *shrugs.* I lived with a woman who was like this as well. Because she had very androgynous looks, and people mistook her for a guy quite often from behind. She always chalked it up to people picking on her.
@DavidJones-ot8qu
Жыл бұрын
It's probably different for some women because the implication of them being called "sir" would be that they are unattractive; the reaction is likely from that, not a fundamental reaction toward being called the incorrect gender
@oritsejolomiokirika9913
Жыл бұрын
@@DavidJones-ot8qu I agree, a woman incorrectly called a man is fundamentally different from a trans-woman misidentified as a man.
@solar_povver
Жыл бұрын
@@DavidJones-ot8quIt is and it is not. In cases of insulting misgendering, like calling you wrong pronounces just to be transphobic is definitely different. But a reaction to an accidental misgendering (at least my) can be "Do I really look that manly?" and that may lead to other thoughts like "I'll never look feminine enough to be accepted, is it really worth trying then". The core idea is the same - this must mean that I look bad - but the conclusions you draw from it may differ.
@DavidJones-ot8qu
Жыл бұрын
@@solar_povver I super disagree. When a trans person is accidentally misgendered, there upsetedness is entirely stemming from a fear/concern of not passing, whereas a cis persons' primary fear would be entirely stemming from appearing ugly for the gender that they are; either a manly looking woman, which defies conventional beauty standards, or a womanly looking man which is against hetero beauty standards
@thereplyguyreviews
Жыл бұрын
Lost my father at 5, my mother at 13, father died from a heart attack in the night, mother drank herself to death as a recovering alcoholic. AMA lol
@LunarLocust
Жыл бұрын
Is coffee good for you?
@thereplyguyreviews
Жыл бұрын
@lunar locust works about as well as taco bell to expel my bowels but that's about it. I also drink it without cream or sugar.
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