here i am a year later..was just thinking about this verse today,,the same guy who wrote this letter.. PAUL.and kept the feasts...he was also the same guy who told us to keep the feast..1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
@seekingGODs-YHWHsTruth144K
Жыл бұрын
Well done brother pray you have a blessed day of atonement 🙏💯❤️📖🗡
@dennismaher9533
Жыл бұрын
don't let any "pastor" or church talk you out of keeping the true Sabbath , its a 10 commandment , it never was abolished ..........
I agree with your conclusion! I came to the same conclusion. 👍
@clarenceoliveriii
Жыл бұрын
I understood this verse to coincide with Ezekiel 45:17 where it shares the prince (priest) bringing forth sacrifices to be done by the priest on behalf of Israel to atone for sins. We shouldn’t let anyone judge us in regards to these offerings to be done to atone for sin; hence the Messiah is our sacrificial lamb who atones. “It shall be the prince’s duty to furnish the burnt offerings, grain offerings, and drink offerings, at the feasts, the new moons, and the Sabbaths, all the appointed feasts of the house of Israel: he shall provide the sin offerings, grain offerings, burnt offerings, and peace offerings, to make atonement on behalf of the house of Israel.” Ezekiel 45:17 Blessings.
@aerialpunk
Жыл бұрын
I moved from Canada to Australia several years ago, and your talk about how a shadow is not a negative or less worthy thing struck me in a while new light because of that. Here, for like 3/4 of the year, if you spend a sunny day outside without protection, you can get seriously burned. I've even gotten basically second-degree sunburned, the first time I came here, before I knew about that 😅 So to imagine God's shadow, as it were, as being like the shade (shadow) of a large tree in the middle of a bright summer day, I like, *feel* how that is a protective thing - where you want to be while things are tough.
@marriage4life893
Жыл бұрын
Awesome information! I think Paul did a great job contrasting between the Father's times, which are shadows of what's to come, compared to the human traditions that perish with the using. One has future significance and points to Christ, and the other is only temporal and points to men apart from Christ.
@minnesota630
2 ай бұрын
KJV Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. There do you see the word “is” in verse 17? In the KJV it is in italics, meaning it was added in the translation. Now for simple understanding purposes (because according to Peter, Paul is hard to understand) we take out that word “is” Paul’s list of things, and Paul’s statement of fact that they are (not were) to come. Let no man therefore judge you, but the body of Christ. What’s the Body of Christ, well according to Paul in this letter to the Colossians he says this. Colossians 2:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. Colossians 2:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church: All through the New Testament the Church is referred to as “The Body of Christ” Why would we let the called out assembly judge us? Because they are trying to do the same thing we are, they are reading the same scriptures, they serve the same God, we all have the same rules. Let no Pagan, no Judaizer judge you in spiritual matters. They will only give you bad advice. Peace
@nathanieldiaz2845
Жыл бұрын
For me personally the biggest context of Colossians is that the heretical movement he is writing agianst in the whole letter is Gnosticism. Gnostics being heavily Ascetic would have been very much agianst food drink feast keeping etc... So when he says don't be judged, it couldn't be because they were being judged for not keeping it. That's what the Gnostics would want. Knowing that forces out only one interpretation of that specific text. Don't fret over those who judge you for keeping the feast food drink etc... your celebrating things of God!
@casparjw
14 күн бұрын
This is correct. And both before this verse and afterwards, Paul has described these troublers as those who entice with "vain philosophy" and "traditions of men", trying to persuade that these are the way to "wisdom". This itself clues us in on the Gnostic nature of the opposition. He then describes them as treating their bodies harshly and "worshipping celestial beings" (archons, as they are called in Gnosticism). They are enslaved to elemental principles of the world. Thus, it's impossible that they would be *Jews* trying to get them to "leave Christ* and observe God's feasts.
@SpringLakePublishing
Жыл бұрын
I have grappled with this verse in the past and (though I am far from a Greek scholar) I seem to have come to a similar outcome as you. The ending does seem awkward, but I see it as the end of a parenthetical phrase of sorts. The thrust of the main sentence seems to be :'Don't let anyone judge you ...except the body of Messiah.' So in regard to food, drink, New Moon Festivals or Sabbath the only one to judge the believer should be other believers ie, other members of the body of Messiah.
@everydaytorah
Жыл бұрын
Ya, that's the vibe I get, too. Although Paul doesn't explicitly say the ecclesia should judge in this instance, it does seem to be the implication (in a right and good sort of way; not in a judgmental sort of way).
@Mr.Rogers143
Жыл бұрын
I mean the following rebuttal to be a friendly pushback. As far as I'm concerned, if you believe Jesus is the Messiah, you are a fellow believer and my brother. Your new interpretation does make sense to me, but how would you compare it with Romans 14 and 1 Corinthians 8? Here's my argument. If the original text of Colossians 2:16 says 'no one', to me that's a pretty big umbrella term to include pagan, unbelievers, the Jewish community, and anyone else. Even if Paul is speaking about pagans and worldly people, it seems he is speaking of concerns among fellow believers in Romans 14. Paul seems to suggest a kind of 'you can, but you don't have to' idea. Do it or don't do it in faith. Then he also adds to it, not to judge someone who does differently than you and also don't cause someone else to stumble. 1 Corinthians 8, Paul says that a believer can eat meat that had been sacrificed to an idol as long as eating it doesn't offend their conscience. That was previously prohibited while under the law right? And Jesus says it's not what goes into the mouth that defiles a man. So there's food and drink. (This might be an argument from silence, but being the apostle to the gentiles, I would think Paul would have eventually brought up keeping the Sabbath or a festival in one of his letters.) When other Christians tell me that they celebrate some or all of the ancient feast days, I admire them for doing that in faith unto God. However, I have come across those who condemn others who do not do them and imply that their relationship with God is better because they continue to honor these particular days. Which I completely disagree with. As if 99% of the Christians in the U.S. have been in disobedience this whole time. For the record, I know you're not saying this. What are your thoughts? Did I completely miss your point?
@traverdougherty5525
Жыл бұрын
Hey there! I sure appreciate your wonderful tone. Yes, let's have lively discourse, but let's do it in a respectful way. You did that, and I commend you! Anyway, you've asked some great questions. First, "That was previously prohibited while under the law right?" No. In the Torah, there's no prohibition for eating kosher items sacrificed to idols. That said, Revelation 2:14, 20 does suggest it's not okay with Yahweh. As for Mark 7, yes that's true, but Jesus isn't talking about unkosher items in the text. In Mark 7, Jesus is coming against Pharisaical hypocrisy, not what's acceptable to eat and what's not. When the text says, "By this Jesus declared all foods clean," [Mark] is not saying that all non-foods are now clean. Rather, Mark is saying that all kosher foods are clean, even if you haven't washed your hands like the hypocrites tell you to do (see Mark 7, around verse 5 - kzitem.infoNirlv_8KVAE?feature=share). As for Rom 14 and 1 Cor 8, the issue there is otherwise kosher/acceptable foods that had been sacrificed to idols. As for Paul writing about the sabbath or festivals, he does. For example, Paul wants Christians to observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread, but he doesn't want to them to go through the motions: "Therefore let’s celebrate the feast [of Unleavened Bread], not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth" (1 Cor 5:8). As for condemning you for not observing the feast days (and Torah in general), I don't condemn you (and I am no better than you, for it is Yahweh who sanctifies). However, here's my (generic) question to all believers. Why in the world would you NOT want to? If our heavenly Father has given us practices and observances that give us a pattern for discipleship/understanding, why wouldn't you want to do it? And as a teacher, I'm even supposed to teach such things: "teaching them to follow [observe] all that I commanded you" (Mt 28:20 - kzitem.infoOV3ZpHi8d74?feature=share - see also Mt 5:19). Anywho, I think that's enough to absorb for now. Keep rebutting if you'd like (you do it well/nicely, and I'm sure I'm not right on all things (haha). Keep at it my friend; you are asking important questions!
@medusa210562
Ай бұрын
In the books of acts, it is clear that Peter would not eat unclean meats. And he was never asked to. I believe with all my heart in colossians, the controversies were more like: you should not eat fish on Friday and this first is more important than this first etc etc etc. But the 7th day Sabbath and real unclean meats were not part of the topic.
@robertmcgee1771
Жыл бұрын
Keep hearing Christians say Jesus is got a second coming in the future but how come none of you people can produce a single verse and why are you believing in that if you cannot even produce evidence that would substantiate that idea? By not getting an answer it just makes me feel like these religious denominations are all fake
@JJ-pj6cn
7 ай бұрын
Did you by chance ask people who claim to be Christians but never read the word of God, in other words, the bible? There's approximately 300 mentions in the New Testament about the second coming of Jesus. There's more than that in the Old Testament. Here's the Matthew chapter 24: "30Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man with power and great glory. 31And and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." Matthew so soon after in chapter 26: "64Jesus said to him, “You have said so. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power .”
@robertmcgee1771
7 ай бұрын
@@JJ-pj6cn yes in in all those mentions it refers to his return before the generation ended, in fact in some of the verses it says some of them would not taste death before they seen him returning in the Judgment with the complete destruction of the first century Temple and City. However out of all of those verses not one not a single one gives an indication of a return of Christ thousands of years beyond their generation, and that's my point
@JJ-pj6cn
7 ай бұрын
@@robertmcgee1771 I think there is a mix up. In Matthew chapter 24 Jesus says, “36But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only." Thus Jesus can't be talking about his second coming in the verse you are referring to because he doesn't know when he will come again. His divine form, God, kept that from him because he already has to suffer on the cross. The chapter you're wondering is Matthew 16 where Jesus tells his apostles that he will resurrect: "27For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done." Remember that there were angels at his resurrection. We can confirm it's his resurrection and not a second coming with the following line, "28Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” Here Jesus is alluding to how Judas kills himself, "tastes death", before Jesus resurrects.
@JJ-pj6cn
7 ай бұрын
@@robertmcgee1771 I think there is a mix up. In Matthew chapter 24 Jesus says, “36But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only." Thus Jesus can't be talking about his second coming in the verse you are referring to because he doesn't know when he will come again. His divine form, God, kept that from him because he already has to suffer on the cross. The chapter you're wondering is Matthew 16 where Jesus tells his apostles that he will resurrect: "27For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done." Remember that there were angels at his resurrection. We can confirm it's his resurrection and not a second coming with the following line, "28Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” Here Jesus is alluding to how Judas kills himself, "tastes death", before Jesus resurrects.
@johnmann8659
Ай бұрын
@robertmcgee1771 Acts 1:11 Matthew 26:64-> Luke 21:27
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