It is rather ironic that the two 19th century historians who helped propagate the myth of Columbus versus the flat earth church did so out of their conviction for science and reason. It certainly points out the danger of fake histories making their way into a mainstream historical narrative, as the pervasiveness of their writing continues to be felt in schools across the Americas to this day. As myths and conspiracy theories multiply and spread rapidly in our current era, do you think that myths made up today will make it into the mainstream historical narrative hundreds of years from now?
@sluxi
2 жыл бұрын
I don't get why they had to come up with this bogus claim when you could just as well attack them on the issue of heliocentrism.
@terraflow__bryanburdo4547
2 жыл бұрын
Most of the current mainstream narrative is myth and fake news. One think you can always count on is the gullibility of the masses to propaganda
@pineapplethief4418
2 жыл бұрын
19th century was the most damaging in terms of history myths
@timothyhouse1622
2 жыл бұрын
If you want to do another short on history myths, can you do one on how everyone thinks slaves built the pyramids?
@ridethecurve55
2 жыл бұрын
"It is safe to say that this is one of the most successful pieces of Fake News ever created" - Spartacus Olsson "Hold my Diet Coke" - Donald Trump
@rosiello5100
2 жыл бұрын
And fun fact, the learned men of Salamanca were right. Columbus had severely miscalculated the circumference of the earth and they argued that, given the distance between Spain and Japan, he and his crew would surely starve. In fact Columbus was lucky America stood between Spain and his intended destination.
@Blazo_Djurovic
2 жыл бұрын
Yup. Though I think it's not the circumfence of Earth where they disagreed, that has been measured since Ancient Greek times based on shadow lengths at two points on the same day. Where Collumbus made a mistake was grossly overestimating how much of the Globe Asia took. Imagine an Asia that spans the Pacific Ocean :D
@bmyers7078
2 жыл бұрын
Imagine if the Americas weren’t there, but Hawai’i was. A bunch of corpses in an unfamiliar ship landing in Pearl Harbor in 1492/3 ! 😛
@SuperLusername
2 жыл бұрын
@@bmyers7078 Well it probably wasnt called Pearl Harbor back then
@martijn9568
2 жыл бұрын
@@Blazo_Djurovic To be honest, if you take Eurasia and the Pacific, then their lengths in the horizontal are actually somewhat similar.
@theylivewesleep4570
2 жыл бұрын
He knew what was up trade between Europe & the americas was going on long before Columbus. The Phoenicians, Carthage, Rome vikings Polynesian China you name it ancient Japanese pottery found in Ecuador DNA confirms
@astrobullivant5908
2 жыл бұрын
People often think that because Medieval people believed in Geocentrism, i.e., that the Sun went around the Earth, they must have believed that the Earth was flat. They confuse those two completely different hypotheses.
@joabthejavelin5119
2 жыл бұрын
I don't think that they believed in Geocentrism either. For thousands of years people used the stars to navigate across great distances. They would have noticed that the night sky was different depending on the season. They also had a calendar that was 365 days. Why? Seems arbitrary to say, "I know. After the sun has traveled around the Earth 365 times, that's a year."
@astrobullivant5908
2 жыл бұрын
@@joabthejavelin5119 Most believed in Geocentrism at the time, and many explained the apparent changes in the night sky by theorizing that other celestial bodies revolved around the Sun, but that the Sun, in turn, revolved around the Earth.
@joabthejavelin5119
2 жыл бұрын
@@astrobullivant5908 Why are there 365 days in a year?
@jacksons1010
2 жыл бұрын
@@joabthejavelin5119 Because that’s the number of days between two occurrences of a solstice. People who believed the sun was circling the Earth would still have a 365 day year.
@astrobullivant5908
2 жыл бұрын
@@joabthejavelin5119 Medieval people who believed the Ptolemaic Model explained that there were 365 days in a year because they believed that the Sun orbited the Earth about 365 times in a "year," which was initially defined by the time it took for the apparent positions of the stars in the night sky to cycle.
@LuxiBelle
2 жыл бұрын
Columbo was about to leave Spain and kept saying "Just one more thing" until they gave him a fleet.
@michaelpytel3280
2 жыл бұрын
And Mrs. Columbo gets her Starship lost in the Delta Quadrant.
@paulgray7669
2 жыл бұрын
Lol. Very good.
@AdmiralBob
2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelpytel3280 I had no Mrs. Columbo existed till I had to research this comment. Despite avidly watching both Star Trek and Columbo... I feel like I've just slipped into a different timeline...
@marcelsirer
2 жыл бұрын
I love the movie that Columbo reads a book to his grandson.
@jozz2248
2 жыл бұрын
"I uhh, ..." *pats down every pocket on trenchcoat, shirt, vest and pants.* "One moment."
@pineapplethief4418
2 жыл бұрын
“[T]he astronomer and the physicist both may prove the same conclusion-that the earth, for instance, is round: the astronomer by means of mathematics (i.e., abstracting from matter), but the physicist by means of matter itself.” This is a quote from Thomas Aquinas, dated ~ 1265-1274. Medieval catholic monks were much more educated than flat-earthers of 21st century.
@isokessu
2 жыл бұрын
Flat earthers in 21 century have flewn inside airplane and saw the horizon so they are just trolling...
@davidc8077
2 жыл бұрын
@@isokessu Well, thier current effluent claim is that of course the horizon 'looks' curved, because the flying ships portholes (windows) are round and are curved so of course the horizon looks curved. It's all an optical illusion! I have no doubt that if you took a flat errfer into outer space and ejected them into space they would claim it was fake as their eyeballs boiled away!
@mrpink8951
2 жыл бұрын
@@davidc8077 You reminded me how at least two of the have attempted to launch themselves into space to prove it by steam powered rockets xD
@a2falcone
2 жыл бұрын
A lot of Medieval Catholic monks were much more educated than many modern scholars, in fact.
@cristiancuscenco9912
2 жыл бұрын
Thomas Aquinas was a theologian to my knowledge.
@andreaswidham3607
2 жыл бұрын
One mistake I feel many people make when they think about the past is that they make the mistake of equating lack of knowledge with stupidity. This makes it much easier to believe junk like this myth. Our ancestors where not any dumber or smarter then we are today. If they where either the world we live in, their future, would be a very different place.
@LukeSumIpsePatremTe
2 жыл бұрын
I've heard it said, that learning to read and write makes one more intelligent. In past most people were not able to read.
@frederickbays405
2 жыл бұрын
@@LukeSumIpsePatremTe only reason many ppl knew not how to read until modern times is b/c they didnt have the time to learn how toread ro write Every waking hr was taken up with just making enough to keep themselves alive so their master could have toe time to learn how to read and write Their masters being the ruling religious class Not the nobles who all over the world had to give way to the religious class U see we at that time were very superstitious (as many still are today i.e. all believers) and we let that rule our loves only b/c that is how we had been taught. today a much large portion of us do not let superstitions rule us but still the larger portion of us still do and so we still live in a fucked world. i.e. a world where we will soon make it so that we can survive on it b/c of superstitions
@andreaswidham3607
2 жыл бұрын
@@LukeSumIpsePatremTe I've heard it said that the written language has severely depleted the capacity of human memory.
@shawnr771
2 жыл бұрын
I would like to see what Archimedes would come up with if he had a computer.
@cyrilmauras4247
2 жыл бұрын
I disagree. Denying the truth, even with simple evidence that the Earth is round, is stupidity. In a lot of recent cases, the stupidity is based on anti science political lies.
@hebl47
2 жыл бұрын
Ahhh... 19th century. The origin of flat Earth and horned viking helmets.
@jliller
2 жыл бұрын
And George Washington chopping down a cherry tree.
@basfinnis
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve had a plastic Viking shield and Horned helmet as a child. So it must be true? 😉
@hebl47
2 жыл бұрын
@@basfinnis Wait, wait, wait! You're telling me the Vikings had plastic shields?? Wow.
@zachfox5969
2 жыл бұрын
And Darwin. "Looks like it, must be it, in 200 years they still won't have a missing link to prove my BS theory." -Charlie Darwin
@Gulitize
2 жыл бұрын
Not only that most of the "alternative" medicine has also its origin in the 19th century like homeopathy.
@jimbob2810
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for debunking this myth. It is indeed an excellent debunking. I first learned that the notion that medieval Europeans thought the earth was flat was nonsense when I read St. Thomas Aquinas in Summa Theologica. Yes, the leading Catholic intellectual of the 13th Century acknowledged that the earth is round in the first chapter of his most famous theological treatise. I didn't get much further than that in Summa Theologica, but did some more research to discover that even the ancient Greeks knew this fact as you so well and succinctly describe.
@a2falcone
2 жыл бұрын
@El Berto In fact, no other institution made more efforts to preserve classical knowledge during the Middle Ages than the Church. Monasteries were true intellectual hubs.
@niranjansrinivasan4042
2 жыл бұрын
Ancient Indians knew it as well, alsoaybe several other civilizations before middle ages.
@fernandobiasi5013
2 жыл бұрын
@Alex Funk you have no clue what you 're talking about lol
@hoponpop3330
2 жыл бұрын
If you know Thomas he was at heart an Aristotelian. as were most of the scholastics . He also condemns chattel slavery as a sin of avarice. Unfortunately the enlightenment was also materialistic and immoral . I laugh at that I was once taught the Dark ages endured until the the late 15th Century If you’ve ever been to Europe you know almost everything worth seeing was constructed between the 10th an 14th century and the basis for the modern world was laid down in this period. The University , the scientific method , industrialization The 14th century was the most devastating in human history due mostly to Asian germ warfare.but was built on such a great foundation within a few generations It returned to glory .
@magnum405
2 жыл бұрын
This is a great video, I instantly showed it to my father who works at a University in Germany as a historian. The myth of the flat world in medieval times was his subject for a long time. He even did a podcast for a South-German Radio-Station. There were lots of people writing him letters and calling him claiming that this can't be true since they learned in school that people in the middle ages thought the earth was flat. Really shows how deeply rooted this myth is in society. He thoroughly enjoyed this video, keep it up guys :)
@spartacus-olsson
2 жыл бұрын
That means a a lot to us! Do give our best greetings to your father, and thank him for fighting the good fight.
@ErikHare
2 жыл бұрын
I realize that European history is all that is relevant to this topic, however it's important to note that Persian, Indian, and Chinese scientists independently realized the planet is round at about the same time, 2500-2000 years ago. The question has always been about the size of the plant and, not trivially, the size of Asia.
@spartacus-olsson
2 жыл бұрын
Well it's not so much European history that is the focus... it's specifically the myth created in the 19th century that Christian people supposedly thought the Earth was flat, and Columbus - enlightened and wise as he was - lifted the veils the church has supposedly created. Since both Columbus and the myth makers were European, that gives it that focus by force.
@ErikHare
2 жыл бұрын
@@spartacus-olsson Indeed, it's a ridiculous myth that really needs to die, so thank you. But it is interesting how universally it was known that the earth is round even 2000 years ago.
@donaldb1
2 жыл бұрын
I think most people have realised the earth is round sooner or later. Particularly when a civilisation starts travelling any distance over the ocean it's hard to avoid.
@spartacus-olsson
2 жыл бұрын
@@donaldb1 or just sit for a while on a beach during a calm sunny day… “hmmm…. Wonder why the horizon curves…. Wait! Where did that big canoe approaching from the horizon come from?!”
@donaldb1
2 жыл бұрын
@@spartacus-olsson Well, yes. Bit I imagine sailors notice it more often than farmers do. (Though no disprect meant to farmers.)
@m.j.vazquez4720
2 жыл бұрын
i tried telling my college professor this and he would not have it even stating hes a historian and his friend is a historian and he would tell you they thought the world was flat ( ironically it was shortly after we were discussing how great Socrates was for telling the " experts " they were wrong )
@daytonjobgen8639
2 жыл бұрын
I've met a lot of people at the University level , that are some quite self-righteous arrogant and ignorant individuals. A lot of times they will just lie and Hammer that lie until you submit. Even though the subject matter experts are right next door saying the opposite. It's really quite remarkable particularly with the social sciences how they will manipulate everything from science to history to support a narrative. That's just my experience though
@pineapplethief4418
2 жыл бұрын
@@daytonjobgen8639 there is a little problem with social sciences lacking some properties of what scientists describe as science. Things like principal ability to prove theorems, predict unknown before effects, same inputs leading to same outcomes. They are more like knowledge silos. Can be useful, but not in the same way like STEM
@robbrown4621
2 жыл бұрын
@@daytonjobgen8639 I ran into this with a temporary instructor who taught "feminism" in the college to which I went. She did not last long there.
@specialnewb9821
2 жыл бұрын
@@pineapplethief4418 History for example is a social science. You can get some physical evidence, but a lot is having to sift through people's writings that often are made by people whose primary interest is not recording the facts. And even if it was you still have to deal with authorial assumptions/biases/ignorance. And even if you do THAT you still have to make events coherent which involves dealing with your own assumptions/bias/ignorance. So even if everyone is operating in good faith mistakes happen. At least modern history is somewhat easier than say anything more than a couple hundred years ago!
@K0bbii
2 жыл бұрын
It´s a problem of rank he has to be the one with the answers because people look to him for answers , I think it´s normal for old people to have a need to be right something to do with seniority. It´s quite a shame but a very human trait. Now if you brought this up to him as some old man he might have listened
@MrCorbeau9
2 жыл бұрын
Seeing the title I thought : "Well, I already know about this". Then I ended up watching it and still learned some things : That's the magic your channel wields.
@TimeGhost
2 жыл бұрын
Glad you learned something new!
@stump182
2 жыл бұрын
There may be more people TODAY that think the world is flat.
@YourTypicalMental
2 жыл бұрын
I love it when Indy and Spartacus share the screen.
@QuinnParsley
2 жыл бұрын
They share the screen….and also our hearts ♥️
@MrIronose
2 жыл бұрын
Me, too.
@dogslobbergardens6606
2 жыл бұрын
I'd certainly jump at the chance to enjoy a couple beers or coffees with those two. I have questions... and I'm confident they both have fascinating answers for them.
@joseantoniogarciamoreno8740
2 жыл бұрын
It would be a nice touch to mention that Dante Alighieri's Divine Comedy portraits the Earth as an sphere... (which as you mentioned, was common knowledge back then)
@donaldb1
2 жыл бұрын
Indeed. What's particularly cool is that Dante has his characters reach the centre of the earth (at the bottom of the pit of Hell) and then experience gravity switching direction, so that down suddenly becomes up. He didn't know that the force of gravity would reduce to nothing the further down you go, but you can't have everything.
@a2falcone
2 жыл бұрын
Orbs depicting the world were a common symbol for the power over the Earth held by kings back in the Middle Ages.
@dogslobbergardens6606
2 жыл бұрын
I have long since given up arguing with people who claim to believe the earth is flat, but I enjoyed this anyway.
@PalmelaHanderson
2 жыл бұрын
One needs only to look at Greek mythology to realize that even back then, people knew the Earth was round. The Greeks believed that Delphi was the center of the world; Zeus released two eagles into the air - one flew east, the other west. Delphi is the spot where they met up after going around the Earth. I'm not sure how old that myth is, but it demonstrates the belief that if you go far enough east or west, you'll end up right back where you started.
@rev.markcarrier1894
2 жыл бұрын
The oldest surviving sculpture of the titan Atlas, the 2nd century A.D. Farnese Atlas, shows the giant carrying the globe of the world on his shoulders. Also, the Greeks and other ancient cultures held the idea of the universe existing as a sphere, with the earth in the center. We see this graphically portrayed in 14th century Dante’s Divine Comedy.
@snazhound5827
2 жыл бұрын
@@rev.markcarrier1894 Thank you for the references, I always put more credence with appropriate references. Please do not get me wrong here in that I don't in the actual spherical shape of Earth and just about every major body in the universe to date. Cheers from Canada.
@rev.markcarrier1894
2 жыл бұрын
@@snazhound5827 Hi! I think you meant to say that you don’t believe in the spherical shape of the earth and other celestial bodies (the verb was missing from your reply). I am interested to understand why you do not.
@yarpen26
2 жыл бұрын
The Greeks had a simple explanation: they knew the moon phases were simply Earth's shadow cast upon the surface of the Moon. And that shadow was an arc.
@derigelfisch3776
2 жыл бұрын
It's funny, I knew about the truth of that "fact" for a long time and once actually failed an exam in the mandatory religion class because of it. The teacher insisted on being correct and wouldn't accept that the flat earth wasn't the accepted theory at the time. That happened only 4 years ago and it still annoys me he just teaches something evidently false if one just does some research.
@jjeherrera
2 жыл бұрын
You can send him/her this video.
@shawnr771
2 жыл бұрын
Send the Regents or school board the video also. Get this idiot away from teaching.
@letoubib21
2 жыл бұрын
So, if you're intelligent, don't tell this guy anythng about Darwin *. ..*
@eljanrimsa5843
2 жыл бұрын
I need this as a reference for discussions. Whenever I mention Eratosthenes' accurate calculation (and Ptolemy's erroneous one) flat-Earth-myth-defenders stop to pay attention.
@Adam_A0
2 жыл бұрын
Eratosthenes was nobody. Just an understudy not mentioned in any literature AT ALL at the time for anything besides being an understudy. It wasn't til around the 1930s that he was written into history and given the claim to fame of doing his experiment. Which also works exactly the same on a flat earth with a close and local sun.
@tezzerii
2 жыл бұрын
@@Adam_A0 With two sticks it works. Measure the angles from several places and it only works on a globe.
@bradywomack9751
2 жыл бұрын
Good luck with that. If they could pay attention they wouldn’t be flat earthers.
@brag0001
2 жыл бұрын
@@bradywomack9751 I always get them to shut up by asking for the business model of a globe earth conspiracy spanning hundreds of years and all scientists and governments from all countries ...
@niranjansrinivasan4042
2 жыл бұрын
Add Aryabhatta to the list, why would an independent thinker from another civilization arrive at the same conclusion ?. It's the truth that's why.
@Cohac
2 жыл бұрын
You (meaning the entire Timeghost team, not just the presenters) are probably among my favorite youtubers ever. I've long had a shallow but wide interest in history, and having easy access to regular history lessons is great!
@spartacus-olsson
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks very kind of you to say - thank you one behalf of all of us.
@samvodopianov9399
2 жыл бұрын
Same here! I absolutely adore these guys content.
@herknorth8691
2 жыл бұрын
Imagine that: academia, the corporate press, and entertainers loudly proclaiming a lie to be true! Good thing we've evolved beyond that embarrassing stage, amirite?
@Lttlemoi
2 жыл бұрын
@Alex Funk ah yes, those people are definitely the only ones to blame in the giant farce that is American politics.
@IrishTechnicalThinker
2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video. I've also discovered that the Vikings aswell knew the earth was round because they sailed distances that appears calculated for curvature.
@richardross7219
2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy when you guys co-host. You play off of each other very well. Good Luck, Rick
@TimeGhost
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Richard! We might do more of it :)
@cutekrizu8214
2 жыл бұрын
I think Dan Carlin said it quite well in his show about Magellan "Everyone generally knew that the world was round, that wasn't the big question, the big question was, 'what does it mean that the world is round?'" or something like that, I'm paraphrasing cause my memory is shite
@carlgreisheimer8701
2 жыл бұрын
Like you said in the video, the Greeks figured out the circumfrence of the Earth in 243 bc. Plus all the navigation instrimemts to sail in that time would not work on a flat surface.
@lioraselby5328
2 жыл бұрын
Ok, Indy’s impression of a 1919 textbook was a thing of pure beauty
@zach8156
2 жыл бұрын
I like how KZitem's algorithm has this pegged as a flat earth conspiracy theory video and gives me a Wikipedia article to set the record straight. Very informative, KZitem. I wouldn't know what to think otherwise.
@benwilson6145
2 жыл бұрын
Columbus understood the world wad round, however his maths was terrible. He tried to get the Portuguese to support his planned voyage and his brother tried to get the English to as well. In both countries he was laughed at due to superior knowledge, hence the East Indies, and "Indians".
@AdmiralBob
2 жыл бұрын
Sometime you have to achieve things out of ignorance. Knowing it's impossible often limits options. Now granted had something he didn't count on (namely the Americas) not turn out to exist they would have surely all died. But if he hadn't been stubbornly incorrect he would have never tried. Sometimes it takes delusion.
@trajan75
2 жыл бұрын
His math was based on the the scholar Paolo Toscanelli who believed that the land mass of Asia was much larger. What Columbus knew was that the existence of the trade winds suggested that a land mass was closer than believed. He just didn't and neither did anyone else that the land was America. Leif Ericson's journey had long been forgotten.
@benwilson6145
2 жыл бұрын
@@trajan75 Except it has not been forgotten. The Basques fished off the Grand Banks. The Normans ruled what was then called Sicily which was the Southern half of Italy and Sicily. The Vikings King of Norway took part in the Crusades and presented gifts from Vinland to the Pope. The whole Columbus Myth was invented in the USA two centuries ago. There are even people claiming he was Italian. A country that did not exist until 300 years after his death.
@trajan75
2 жыл бұрын
@@benwilson6145 Well Columbus was Genovese. You don't want to say he's "Italian" OK but there they still used the term Italy and Italians through out the middle ages. If you're talking about the flat earth myth you are correct. Beyond that I don't understand by the Columbus myth There was no journey from Iceland to Greenland or North America after 1408. Interesting about the Norwegian gifts to the Pope. I don't know how they regarded Vinland but there was no notion of a continent between Europe and Asia.
@benwilson6145
2 жыл бұрын
@@trajan75I cannot remember where I read it but there was a report or theory that Columbus deliberately tried to sail South of Vinland. He must of done some research? He was reportedly at Bristol during his sea career and the Cabot Voyage proved that he had to sail north of Vinland to get his Northerly route to China. The Columbus myth is "He discovered "America: which he did not, and anyone not believing was shouted down.
@adamgordon-boyle1560
2 жыл бұрын
Seems as if several historical myths and misconceptions originate in the Victorian period.
@johnq5284
2 жыл бұрын
Round Earth known in ancient times; Job 22:14, Proverbs 8:27 and Isaiah 40:22
@billjones5817
2 жыл бұрын
Job uses circuit. Circle. Not ball. Psalms adds nothing to a globe earth case. Is. 40.22 "sitteth upon the circle of the earth", this is the Hebrew word for disk. Another place in Isaiah he uses the Hebrew word for "ball". Point is, he knows the difference.
@johnq5284
2 жыл бұрын
@@billjones5817 manipulating context or splitting hairs changes nothing
@billjones5817
2 жыл бұрын
@@johnq5284 if you're quoting scripture to make your point, I assume you are Christian of Jewish. In either case, however it was designed, shouldn't we pay attention to what God wrote about his design, and give him the proper glory?
@fb97e4ad
2 жыл бұрын
@@billjones5817 Which other place in Isaiah?
@billjones5817
2 жыл бұрын
@@fb97e4ad 22.18
@aaronpaul9188
2 жыл бұрын
The church has always supported and accepted scientific arguments when they have a strong foundational argument. They dismissed copernicus as math had developed enough for adequate proof. But the church funded his research in order to enable him to test his theories. Evolution is a particularly interesting case ad the first Vatican council in the late 19th century acknowledged the possible validity of evolution and declared that it did not contradict church dogma.
@darthbee18
2 жыл бұрын
Didn't expect to learn about the history of how a false idea appeared, developed and propagated across the space and time but here we are (and I am thankful for it!)
@billjones5817
2 жыл бұрын
It's flat.
@mapleflag6518
2 жыл бұрын
@@billjones5817 Yes we know that your brain is flat.
@aaronthoming8192
2 жыл бұрын
People: "Columbus thought the Earth was flat. People in the past were so stupid." Same person in the future: "People thought Columbus thought the Earth was flat. People in the past were so stupid."
@Llortnerof
2 жыл бұрын
Well, Columbus wasn't the brightest. That's why nobody else considered the journey possible - they knew the distance between Europe and Asia would be to long to make by ship. Columbus would have been in serious trouble if the Americas didn't exist. I've heard stories that the royals were just sick of the guy and gave him ships to shut him up. I imagine there was a bit more to it (maybe they were hoping for him to find new land by accident), but i wouldn't completely discount the idea.
@StoneSailsSculpture
2 жыл бұрын
... It's a cube! Everyone knows the Earth is a Cube!!! (Does anyone know the childhood cartoon where Columbus is claiming it's a cube and a little worm tells him it's round and eats his cube globe into a sphere?)
@MackerelSkyLtd
2 жыл бұрын
Lol
@nirfz
2 жыл бұрын
Here before all the flat earthers from around the world show up ;-) I had a teacher in school (actually a religion teacher) who claimed that while the earth is a sphere, we aren't on the outside, but on the inside. The argument he made was: "Look at your shoe soles, they are worn in the fron and back, baut not in the middle. If we were on the outside, the shoe soles would have to wear in the middle." He did not believe that nonsense himself, but he wanted us to politely discuss a topic, and as none of us had a good idea for one, he went for that.
@shawnr771
2 жыл бұрын
Making the assumption that traveling the Speed of Light in a vessel is possible. What happens when the headlights are turned on? Does that change if the headlights were turned on prior to reaching the speed of light?
@nirfz
2 жыл бұрын
@@shawnr771 My uneducated guess: I would assume no change: The light of the headlights travels the speed of light faster than the vessel. So if the vessel increases it's speed, the speed difference between the light of the headlights and the vessel stays the same, but relative to the surroundings increases the same amount, the speed of the vessel increases.
@shawnr771
2 жыл бұрын
@@nirfz it is a good a guess as any.
@ArthurLnz
2 жыл бұрын
Indy's mimics while Spartacus is speaking xD
@Artur_M.
2 жыл бұрын
It amazes me how entrenched this myth is, and that it still needs debunking.
@FengshenNL
2 жыл бұрын
How about the persistent myth that humans only have 5 senses? Education keeps forgetting that we also sense temperature, pain, balance, gravity, motion, air/wind pressure, hunger, thirst, pheromones, and a whole lot more.
@joseaca1010
2 жыл бұрын
@@FengshenNL or Newtonian physics which were proven wrong over 100 years ago
@NicholleChristineEdwards
Жыл бұрын
If a man is small he is Angered- large he is comfortable with all things & invites you to sit at his Table and talk while he observes your Gamma tactics. I get this whole Thought Movement. Clean that Columbus Ocean boys. Power up. 🌍🔥✊🏼
@coconut4219
2 жыл бұрын
This is much needed! I even learned new things in here.
@TimeGhost
2 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear that!
@zephyr8072
2 жыл бұрын
Remember, every time the Earth rotates, 24 hours pass. Together we can stop this.
@Darwinek
2 жыл бұрын
All dislikes come from the angry members of the Flat Earth Society.
@thexalon
2 жыл бұрын
I usually describe Columbus as the world-record holder for being lost, because he was nearly halfway around the Earth from where he thought he was when he arrived in what we now call the West Indies.
@edwardmeade
2 жыл бұрын
So in Mark Kurlansky's books (Cod and Basque History of the World) he credibly claims that when Basque fisherman were returning with boatloads of cod not caught on any known European cod banks Colombus jumped to the conclusion that they were catching them on Asian cod banks off of Korea. Adding that evidence to bad info on the width of Asia, he decided that if they could get to Korea, he could get to Japan. They were in fact, catching them on the Newfoundland banks.
@mrsmucha
2 жыл бұрын
You guys are good. You make history great again.
@spartacus-olsson
2 жыл бұрын
We should have some caps printed up in China…. #MHGA
@angusmacdonald7187
2 жыл бұрын
Two cents worth here from someone who studied Medieval history -- how do we know that people in the Middle Ages knew that the world was round? Simple clue. When kings in England, France, the Holy Roman Empire and the like are shown receiving the crown, they have three items -- the crown (showing the glory), the staff (showing the ability to punish), and the sphere (representing the world). Yep, that's why they hold that round thing in their hand -- it represents the Earth.
@naveenraj2008eee
2 жыл бұрын
Hi indy and sparty Well awesome video.. I too learned in school books that earth was flat and believed during columbus years.. This video demonstrate short video too good way of explaining history.. Thanks team..
@TimeGhost
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Naveen
@Laulo89
2 жыл бұрын
Those ties are epic!! Quick question: Was that a Stan Lee reference when Spartacus shouted "excelsior" at the end??
@MrIronose
2 жыл бұрын
I certainly hope so.
@georgewilliams8448
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for another informative video! I especially enjoyed the banter between Spartacus and Indy. A nice treat to awake to here in California!
@hazevthewolf178
2 жыл бұрын
Yes!
@TimeGhost
2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! Glad you enjoyed the video! We hope you learned something new.
@WilliamBrothers
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. As a Catholic I've always had to point this out to friends
@don_5283
2 жыл бұрын
Surely it is one of the great ironies of our time that there are likely more people who believe the Earth to be flat today than there were in the time of Columbus.
@yarpen26
2 жыл бұрын
Well, the educated people knew this. The masses didn't care and when asked, they'd say it was flat. I've heard the Earth being round was something Polish peasants leaving for America in the 19th century learned on the ship from the priests that were sent with them to build new Polish parishes across the Atlantic.
@mjkelly9999
2 жыл бұрын
Dante clearly described a round world as he and Virgil pass through the center of the earth, from The Inferno to Purgatorio.
@Zadren
2 жыл бұрын
And yet, here we are in 2021 and you can STILL come across people who firmly believe that the Earth is flat. 🤦♂️
@Zadren
2 жыл бұрын
@What Popster Drugs are bad, mmkay? 🤨
@simon7790
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks guys. As a sailor who spends many night watches observing the rotation of the celestial bodies and taking sights, I've always disbelieved the idea that educated people thought the earth was flat. The are many ancient monuments which depend on the rotation of the earth (and rising of celestial bodies) for them to function, such as henges, pyramids, etc. Eratosthenes had a simple but clear idea for measuring the size of the earth. Anyone with an astrolabe, backstaff or sextant or similar instrument makes the assumption that the earth is round, like most other celestial bodies. Columbus would have had some instruments for calculating latitude.
@Bravo_116Cinema
2 жыл бұрын
Great video it's also worthy to note that in the book of Isaiah that Isaiah or God if you will describe the Earth as round, the book of Isaiah was probably written between 750 and 800 BC
@chissstardestroyer
2 жыл бұрын
One major reason why he was incorrect wasn't about the world being round, at all; but rather his math was *way* off; had he not reached the New World, he'd have had to turn back- lest he run out of drinking water and food for the men on the voyage.
@jonny46ba
2 жыл бұрын
How ironic that in the age of information technology, which brings us truly brilliant content, like Timeghost History, The Great War and the WWII series, and a whole shed load of other content, there is a group of people who are propogating flat earth with the very same media... Medieval people could be forgiven for not knowing the shape of the planet we live on... but how can anybody today think we live on a flying pizza..and that gravity does not exist? thank you Indy and Sparticus for being here (and the whole team)... The internet needs guys like you.
@petrhouzar9551
2 жыл бұрын
Those people are called contrarians. They just love to stand in opposition to a prevailing (scientific) opinion. Climate change deniers, flat earth believers, fans of ancient contacts with aliens or European ancient trade with Americas, you name it. Maybe they do not even believe it for real (at least flat earth guys) but they love that finally someone argues with them. Because otherwise they are uneducated, uninteresting and stupid people. It's best not to argue with contrarians and simply ignore them. The more successful of them even get money from this like that guy who wanted to prove flat earth personally or they get money from fossil companies. Some uneducated climate deniers even made it to TV discussions with scientists. Normally they wouldn't have a chance to do so.
@Nperez1986
2 жыл бұрын
The idea of shipping out in a Spanish Nao, very small of a ship, into such a vast unknown ocean alone felt like suicide
@winj3r
2 жыл бұрын
Mind you that the reason for trying to go west was not just because it was slow going by land. Spain and Portugal had signed the Treaty of Tordesillas, so Portugal had the exclusive rights to trade routes going East. Portugal could go around Cape Hope, into the Indian Ocean. Spain could not, because of that Treaty. And also, because Portugal had one of the most powerful fleets in Europe, at that time. Also consider that before Columbus discovered North America, Portugal had probably already discovered South America. During the negotiations for the Treaty of Tordesillas, Portugal made a very strange demand of more 500 leagues West. This puts the area of influence right on top of Brasil. Spain at the time didn't know about America, so they just accepted it, thinking they were just giving up sea.
@johndaubner973
2 жыл бұрын
☺Thank you very much, Time ghost. I never would have believed this and I have difficulty even now.
@TimeGhost
2 жыл бұрын
Glad you learned something new!
@chissstardestroyer
2 жыл бұрын
I mean; you men went into solid history and researched this, then presented this essay; and it also adds up in a lot of ways. But the effect is to restart something through a means that is most definitely acceptable today- and in no way is related to superstition: namely solid history.
@stephenwodz7593
2 жыл бұрын
You should say that the world is SPHERICAL, rather than round. Otherwise some could say that the world is like a disc. Also, it's not necessary to be educated to know the Earth is spherical. People living in seaports would have seen ships disappear over the horizon; and the ships came back, so obviously they didn't sail off the edge of the world. Anyone who traveled to different latitudes would have noticed how the constellations moved higher or lower in the night sky, proving the curvature of the planet.
@yarpen26
2 жыл бұрын
The unconfirmed Phoenician circulating Africa around 600 B.C. myth by Herodotes mentions how the sailors noticed that the noon stopped occurring in the South the further down they sailed.
@divarachelenvy
2 жыл бұрын
that was a well ROUNDed presentation, pun intended...
@stephenandersen4625
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah “the Church hates science “ one of those things “everybody knows”. Like anti-semitism, anti Catholicism was one of those prejudices that was perfectly ok even in polite, educated circles in the English speaking world. Maddening
@TheMarcHicks
2 жыл бұрын
Even at the time of his death, Columbus still refused to renounce his belief that the Caribbean islands were actually part of Asia.
@garrettowen7557
2 жыл бұрын
0:06 When the cops tell me to come out with my hands up
@Soundbrigade
2 жыл бұрын
WHAT??!!! Are you debunking the flat earth too????? Cool! And just watching you two making gestures and odd faces is so hilarious. Love you guys!
@TimeGhost
2 жыл бұрын
We're glad you liked it!!
@orangekayak78
2 жыл бұрын
It is sad that in the 21st century not everyone knows that the Earth is round.
@hebl47
2 жыл бұрын
There were probably never more believers in a flat Earth than there are today. In an age when we can actually prove in countless ways that the Earth is a sphere!
@waltervondervogelweide
2 жыл бұрын
I had 2 times an discussion with my history teacher and both times he stait at his stand.
@TotalTryFails
2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this one, its great seeing the two of you together having fun!
@TimeGhost
2 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked this!
@SeveredLegs
2 жыл бұрын
Gotta love these cute little warnings at the top of the videos from KZitem..... Great video though guys!
@henrimourant9855
2 жыл бұрын
I feel like the Middle Ages have a ton of unflattering modern myths about it. This is just one of them.
@Diced92
2 жыл бұрын
I still have truly a difficult understanding, on how this is not you getting wiled up by bullshit?
@michaelgreen1515
2 жыл бұрын
I love that the Greeks were so accurate in their estimate of the size and circumference of the globe.
@Llortnerof
2 жыл бұрын
Just goes to show how ridiculous the flerfs are. You can calculate the circumference with a bunch of sticks and shadows, yet they keep insisting even modern technology can't prove it.
@chissstardestroyer
2 жыл бұрын
Uh, guys? I don't think you set out to reignite my belief in Catholic teaching at all, or that I factored into your thoughts at all to begin with- but you have succeeded marvelously at restarting my valuing of Catholic teachings- and I want to extend some significant thanks on that detail. But it is not really physical science that is the true value of those teachings, rather their consistency in what they teach on moral issues that is the material of judgement.
@oliversherman2414
2 жыл бұрын
I love your channel keep up the great stuff!!
@chissstardestroyer
2 жыл бұрын
Also, the myth of the Catholic Church being anti-science is totally silly; it pioneered the universities and the idea thereof.
@letoubib21
2 жыл бұрын
The Earth does be a pizza! *PERIOD!* The only open question is its filling *. . . ;-)*
@YesingtonYes
2 жыл бұрын
Not confirmed that it's a map of the globe but fun fact non the less: In the mountains and caves of the Tasili located in the Algerian part of the Sahara there is a 12 thousands years old drawing of what a lot of scientists say a globe of the world. The reason is that they didn't any other explition and it has the 23% curve of the earth. And i really recommend learning about the Tasili stuff it's really interesting having the oldest known city. But of course they, the ancient greeks, the chinese and the Abbasids were some Nasa spies
@mpunekar
2 жыл бұрын
Didn't expect such mistake from you guys, Columbus didn't went in search of route to Asia but to India, no wonder he called American natives Indians !
@vaclav_fejt
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting, I always thought that Irving Washington (or Washington Irving?) was a hospitalised USAAF officer who censored men's letters.
@Paladin1873
2 жыл бұрын
Even in grade school in the 1960s we were taught that the Church knew the Earth was round, but many of Columbus's sailors feared monsters and starvation as they ventured further away from Europe. We were also taught that in Galileo's time the Church played down his research and claims because they felt it would create too much confusion and controversy among the ignorant peasantry. I was not aware this had morphed into a fabrication centuries later that was still being taught as gospel (no pun intended) in the 20th Century. What else is being taught that isn't true?
@silvinho5860
2 жыл бұрын
That the Inquisition killed millions, that the Church taught that blacks didn't have a soul ... The "Enlightenment"' Era created the most successful face news ever The correct question is in whose interest was this done
@trajan75
2 жыл бұрын
Columbus's great discovery was that you could sail the "Ocean Sea" to reach "Asia". This led to his arriving at the Americas. The reason he thought he could it was because he believed that trade winds would carry him there and back. He rightly assumed that this meant land was closer. Just didn't know and neither did anyone else in Europe or Asia that that land was the Americas.
@paulgreen9059
3 ай бұрын
Fun fact, the 2nd century emperor Hadrian had a globe on his coins.
@karlbrundage7472
2 жыл бұрын
Here's the real deal: Once humans had the luxury of contemplating the Sun and Moon rising and setting (prior to this, the need to gather food, fuel and resources consumed the bulk of their time) it became obvious what process was occurring. The true question, not settled until contemporary scientists (who had the benefit of not having to scrounge for food, fuel and resources everyday) was whether the Earth was at the center of the "Universe". Fortunately, these scientists were able to make observations over time, combined with some pretty slick mathematics to conclude that the Earth was, in fact, circling the Sun, as were all of the other planets in our solar system. A well-fed and pampered scientist, apparently, can make some remarkable discoveries, so long as his patron isn't dictating the result..............................
@franklinmoon2579
2 жыл бұрын
I love when you two appear onscreen together
@arti8719
2 жыл бұрын
Manuel da Silva Rosa claims that Columbus was a son of Polish king Wladyslaw III who died at Warna battle (1444) but his body was never found. He provides some arguments for that, although personally I think it's nothing more like a nice theory.
@DirtyHairy1
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the very well done edutainment ;)
@TimeGhost
2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! Glad you liked it!
@geoffcartertheoreticalstru6484
2 жыл бұрын
Good Stuff - I learned something new & interesting !
@TimeGhost
2 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear that! Thanks for watching!
@Medicine91
2 жыл бұрын
A man named Irving talking about flat earth. Lol
@CJBroonie
2 жыл бұрын
Damn you, Washington Irving!
@angelocortez4471
2 жыл бұрын
1:20 Today Irving believes that the Earth is Flat...
@Hambone51315
2 жыл бұрын
Learned something new today!
@andrew.r.lukasik
2 жыл бұрын
This is big, thank you.
@TimeGhost
2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! Glad you enjoyed it!
@davidp.7620
2 жыл бұрын
Of course Columbus knew the Earth was round. Otherwise why the fuck would he expect to be able to find India by sailing west? Who the fuck would believe he thought the Earth was flat?
@hughmckendrick3018
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent content.
@Onoma314
2 жыл бұрын
Mesopotamians certainly never thought anything was flat except the plane of the base of a local horizontal coordinate system that's about 6 miles in diameter. It was called " supuk same " . Plane geometry has been used in astronomy since prior to the Greeks ( Cf. The use of " fundamental planes " and " establishing the nadir " ). That's all the Biblical " firmament " ever referred to ( A local, hemispherical coordinate system, we still use them today in modern astronomy all the time ). I really wish people would dig into some real history sometime.
@PROVOCATEURSK
2 жыл бұрын
6.6 billion people believe that evil sky daddy exists.
@JLAvey
2 жыл бұрын
How widely known was Vinland at the time? Some of Columbus's cooking of his books might be because he heard of the place (or at least Greenland) and just assumed it was the north-eastern most point of Asia. As there's the stories of Basque fishermen and the Grand Banks.
@a2falcone
2 жыл бұрын
It wasn't known in that time and place.
@cynodont7391
2 жыл бұрын
It is also possible that he was aware of unusual objects or plants washed up by the sea on the western coasts of Europe and Africa. The Portuguese established a settlement on the Cape Verde islands in 1462 so 30 years before Columbus. They are only 2600 km from South-America and almost on the path of a strong surface current that goes from the mouth of the Amazon to the western part of Africa.
@user-iz3gv5vo6b
6 ай бұрын
The Earth is not round. It's spherical.
@hipparchos
2 жыл бұрын
Colombus did think that the Earth was smaller than it is. Had he known its exact size, and not knowing of any landmass between Europe and Asia when sailing to the west, he probably wouldn't have set sail
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