I’ve never purchased or used a moka pot, but watching your video has inspired me to seriously consider purchasing said item. Thanks for your honesty.
@mycoffeeshow111
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! It is cheap and even if you don’t use it much, it does look good on the shelf.
@normaano
Жыл бұрын
Exactly the video i demanded, how cool :) But my comandante arrived already yesterday. Im glad it did 'win'. However i have zero problems holding it and with the grinding time or force needed - and i am grinding coffee almost constantly since this morning trying to find the perfect grind size for the moka pot and trying out V60 for the first time. Also no problem with adjusting the grind size, im the only one using it anyway. However i came again to my 'unholy' moka pot conclusion: I use only 12g of coffee (yes basket only half full), 6 clicks (yes i know, very fine), water up to the valve, boiling water, turn of heat completly BEFORE it starts splattering (with some experience you know when it will occur). Best taste so far (i like it strong - would never dilute it). I just get constantly the better taste using fine grind size and less powder than filling the whole basket with a coarser grind. I wonder if im just wrong or if everybody misses out, maybe you can try it once for fun and let me know. What supports my confusion ist that my first trys with V60 (V01, 12g, 120ml, 2 to 2,5 Min) i also end up using the same very fine grind size, or i find it pale and it will run through to quickly. Maybe its also just my taste or i lack the experience (first try today). Btw: At home i use Alessi 9090/6 Moka pot - very expensive but really cool click system, you dont have to hold the bottom with a cloth after filling with boiling water, just click it on. If you like moka pot consider this one, i got the biggest one too if i have guests. Here in Australia i use a cheap ass stainless steel moka pot, also works ok but is much less satisfying to use.
@mycoffeeshow111
Жыл бұрын
Well, you are the boss. You request and I record. It only took me 2 months since someone first mentioned moka pot video. You said you are happy with performance of Comandante, but how do you like the test? Any significant difference between it and other grinders you might have had? As for Moka Pot, if you enjoy your recipe that means it works but I wouldn’t dare to argue with JH and his method 😛
@rockwaved
Жыл бұрын
A tip for all of you. Change the standard filter with an E&B competition filter. I'm getting all the flavors in the cup just like an espresso because you can grind finer without the bitterness because of its design that doesn't let the fines go into the cup. I fell in love with it.
@mycoffeeshow111
Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much. I haven’t heard about this upgrade b4 but now you said it, it actually makes sense.
@CoXriX
Жыл бұрын
I use regular aeropress paper filters and it fits just fine even for 130 and easily for higher clicks.
@TheXXxBlackRamxXx
Жыл бұрын
@@CoXriXdo you have comparison between E&B and aeropress filter? I'm using aeropress filters but also I'm considering buying e&b
@CoXriX
Жыл бұрын
@@TheXXxBlackRamxXx unfortunately no, I've only used the paper ones and they're - it traps all the fines perfectly. If you want to buy one out of curiosity, why not? Besides, it's reusable (if Im not mistaken)
@MrTerrymccollough
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the review. I only have a moka pot and alot of reviews on grinders tend to base line their findings on espresso or pour over. It is nice to see a video highlighting the grinders with a moka pot. I for one would be interested to see a reveiw/comparison between the J-Max and K-Max as it is between these two I am considering purchasing.
@mycoffeeshow111
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching. Maybe one day I will play with Moka Pot a bit more. I am sure you would be happy with either j or k grinder.
@lgreen666
Жыл бұрын
another great video - I meant to comment on the Decent vs Pavoni how much I enjoyed that and how well the Pavoni did…. I suppose I would say with my Flair 58 journey that learning manual is essential. I have never managed a nice cup of coffee from my mocha pot so this gives both hope and inspiration
@mycoffeeshow111
Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much. What is the most difficult thing with Flair 58? I really enjoy using lever machines and if I could afford I would love to get something like Londinium. As for Moka Pot, try this method. The coffee was really good.
@lgreen666
Жыл бұрын
I would love the londinium too.. before I had ever heard of Decent of Flair I wanted the Londinium (even before he moved back to New Zealand) but I couldn’t afford it then and it is way more expensive now - It would be great if you got one and we could vicariously enjoy iit😊 Most difficult thing with the Flair was thinking I knew what to do because I had watched so many videos - it took a couple of weeks to really learn from the pressure needed on the lever but once you learn that you are set - the other mistake I made was not buying a bag of cheap coffee so I could learn how to dial in on the Niche
@mycoffeeshow111
Жыл бұрын
@@lgreen666 B4 I got Decent, Londinium was one of the machines I was considering. The main downside was 45min heat up time. I often come home during the day, at random times, for a quick coffee and need a machine that is ready asap.
@mr.ricochet8603
Жыл бұрын
I'm verry happy you enjoyed your moka! Moka can make wonderful coffee, unfortunately is a very misunderstood tool, is not super easy to use but with a little experience you can do great :) One suggestion for everyone: try it also the "paesant way" so no aeropress filter and no preheated water... less clarity maybe but a bit more body, you can always avoid bitterness with the "temperature management" trick Jack used. With the fancy recipe you have a more "pour over style" moka, with the normal way you'll end up with a more "espresso like" drink. Another trick... you should NEVER compress the coffe in the basket, it's wrong, but, BUT... if you do it (just a little though, here and there with a coffe spoon, to avoid channeling)... you gain even more body, getting closer to espresso, but it becomes harded to avoid bitterness. I remember when my grandma used to make moka... It was like the mistery of life, sometimes was great, sometimes was terrible, ...she wasn't a coffee geek though XD
@mycoffeeshow111
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching and all the great tips. There is definitely something magical about Moka Pots. What about grinders- do you notice much difference when you use different ones (assuming you have more than one). I was very surprised I can taste the difference.
@mr.ricochet8603
Жыл бұрын
@@mycoffeeshow111 Yes, I had the chance to make moka with 2 handgrinders, comandante and Jx-pro, I didn't do it in the same day though. I guess I got just a little more clarity with the comandante, but it was a very small difference, I wonder if it was my mind tricking me. I didn't make the same test for espresso, but I'm sure it would've been like you say, maybe same results, as moka goes right in the espresso direction.
@mycoffeeshow111
Жыл бұрын
@@mr.ricochet8603 Thanks. Yep, sometimes the difference might be psychosomatic. I would expect more clarity from J grinder though.
@uffa00001
Жыл бұрын
What makes the coffee bitter, with Moka pots as with any other method, is channelling. In order to avoid channelling, one must press - at least slightly - the coffee charge in order to spread it evenly in the filter. If one wants true Moka coffee, i.e. pressure extracted, then water in the kettle must be cold and coffee in the filter must be pressed more than slightly. You want a 2 bars extraction for that espresso feeling. The Hoffman method (also suggested by others) can give good results or bad results, but it's not "Moka Express" any more: the paper filter takes away part of the oils, the low pressure (measured into 0,3 bars by Hoffmann) extracts the coffee differently, it's the Moka pot for pour over lovers, in a sense.
@mycoffeeshow111
Жыл бұрын
Well said. For me the end result was really good but obviously the Italians would say that what I did was a sacrilege not a Moka Pot
@uffa00001
Жыл бұрын
@@mycoffeeshow111 You have already understood, by now, that I am Italian 🙂
@mycoffeeshow111
Жыл бұрын
@@uffa00001 that was my educated guess 😛
@audriusa7005
Жыл бұрын
Hi Jack! I've been enjoying your content for a while now, you have this warm charisma which is like watching an old friend. I was wondering, which coffee machine and grinder are your favorite pair? You have so much cool gear! Do you find time to use it all?
@mycoffeeshow111
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Every morning b4 the gym I have a shot of espresso from La Pavoni and DF64 as a grinder. My favourite machine is definitely Decent and I use it for all milk based drinks, usually with Niche. As for grinders- I am still looking for the perfect one. What is your favourite combo?
@audriusa7005
Жыл бұрын
@@mycoffeeshow111 in the morning swich df64 to comandante and you wont need to do cardio haha. It's nice that you use them and not just let them sit. I have Lelit Bianca and Eureka Specialita, Picopresso with comandante for travelling. But recently I think if I were to do it again, I would go with Flair pro 2 and comandante grinder, its unreal how flexible and capable flair is, I'm trying to find a reason to buy it but since Bianca can flow profile, and pico is excellent for travel, I feel like it would be redundant.
@mycoffeeshow111
Жыл бұрын
@@audriusa7005 nice setup you have. I’m sure you would love Flair Pro 2 as it allows you to do pressure profiling vs flow control on bianca- similar but not the same. I had some of the best shots on Flair but it is a bit of a hassle with work flow and not super easy to travel with. I would probably recommend you Flair 58 with heating element as a stationary lever machine.
@audriusa7005
Жыл бұрын
@@mycoffeeshow111 That would be very interesting to try out flow vs pressure taste wise. I'm also interested in spring lever machines, especially La Marzocco Leva X, theres one in my hometown, its a beauty but price is just waaaay out of my budget.
@mycoffeeshow111
Жыл бұрын
@@audriusa7005 I think Lance tried to explain the difference. I am not that clever but you are right, it could be a video. How would I choose comparable profiles on Decent I don’t know. One thing I can br certain- I will never be able to afford (and justify) to buy machine for £10k or more. I had it on one of my videos, from London Coffee Festival, but never had a chance to use it.
@gsharata
Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot
@mycoffeeshow111
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching!
@LJ-wo1wf
Жыл бұрын
The most valuable bit of info for me - as my largest moka pot is also a 6-cup Bialetti - was how long it took to grind nearly 30 grams. I think both the C40 and K-Max were faster than how I have to pulse and shake my blade grinder! I think I would be happy with either grinder, then.
@mycoffeeshow111
Жыл бұрын
I would strongly recommend to invest in better grinder. The extraction and taste should improve dramatically or at least that is what I suspect 😛
@LJ-wo1wf
Жыл бұрын
@@mycoffeeshow111 Oh yeah, I’m sure. My blade grinder does a great job of making boulders and dust at the same time (yuck). I also checked how long it took to grind for my 3-cup pot this morning - about 15-18g - and it took between 40-50 seconds. And it’s loud as hell. I’m almost 100% set on a good hand grinder for my next purchase.
@mycoffeeshow111
Жыл бұрын
@@LJ-wo1wf let me know which one you bought and how it tastes.
@jaroMM
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for review what grind settings on K-Max are you using for moka pot ?
@mycoffeeshow111
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching. If I remember correctly I went for 4.2 on K-Max. What settings do you use?
@jaroMM
Жыл бұрын
@@mycoffeeshow111 6 for Bialetti for 2 cups
@uffa00001
Жыл бұрын
With a Moka pot one cannot calculate the "ratio" by comparing the grams of coffee powder to the grams of water in the kettle, because not all water in the kettle ends up in the brew.
@mycoffeeshow111
Жыл бұрын
Thx. You are absolutely correct. Are you a Moka Pot fan? I really like it but hardly ever use it.
@uffa00001
Жыл бұрын
@@mycoffeeshow111 I am more of an espresso guy, but around 1/3 of my coffees are Moka. Moka reminds me of when I was a child, of the coffee perfumes coming from the pot, or from the hand grinder. I see how a Moka pot can often result in a bitter cup, but after much experimentation I understood this has nothing to do with pressure but with channelling. Nowadays, I always have the safety valve sputtering hot air when I brew coffee with a Moka, I extract at the limit set by the valve, and the resulting coffee is much to my liking and to my memory of when I was allowed to taste a "coffee spoon" of coffee. Mind you, the coffee brewed this way is quite strong in taste and in caffeine, it really deserves the "espresso" name. I obtain pressure by just "pressing" the coffee in the filter, while maintaining the typical Moka grinding, but I also want to experiment with finer grinding and less pressure. Yet, some tamping is necessary, IMHO, if one wants to avoid the risk of channelling. People complain of the inconsistency, the scarce repeatability of Moka coffee, but that's due, I believe, to channelling. A Moka, when properly used, gives a very interesting and distinctive coffee, which is unlike any other brewing method.
@mycoffeeshow111
Жыл бұрын
@@uffa00001 Thank you for sharing your experience. Do you normally use dark roast beans for Moka Pot?
@uffa00001
Жыл бұрын
@@mycoffeeshow111 Yes, I use the normal supermarket coffees that are sold in Rome, which are generally speaking pretty dark roasted. In normal supermarkets it's easy to find 5 or 6 different kinds of coffee sold as beans. Also, I sometimes buy coffee at the café, some cafés will sell you the 1 kg bag of the coffee they use, that can range from €10 to €40, but I always go on the cheap ones, which can be very good. Both supermarket coffee (the usual suspects: Lavazza, Segafredo, Illy, Vergnano are also known abroad, plus many more which are to be found only in Italy) and café coffee (coffee which is only sold to cafés and restaurants) tend to be dark roasted. At the moment my grinder is loaded with Caffè Braccio Qualità Rossa, Braccio is a small roaster in Rome working only with cafés and restaurants, I bought a 1 kg bag in a café, €10, delicious amaretto note on a hazelnut base, 50% robusta 50% arabica, €11 if memory serves. Coffee can be delicious without being expensive.
@mycoffeeshow111
Жыл бұрын
@@uffa00001 thx again. Very informative, especially for a coffee snob like myself. What I get, and correct me if I’m wrong, the cheaper and darker roasts coffee would taste better using traditional italian Moka Pot Method while all those new fancy-schmancy light roasts might benefit from JH approach.
@gsharata
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if you gave a flair 58?
@mycoffeeshow111
Жыл бұрын
I still have Flair Pro 2. I would love to play with Flair 58 but can’t afford it right now.
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