I just flew over here from Raven's channel on my ancient Egyptian helicopter. Good stuff. :)
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Thomas!
@naciremasti
3 жыл бұрын
I love your content, Thomas. You and Dr. M should do a ancient biblical archeology video together.
@ryanong3517
3 жыл бұрын
Holy heck, it's Holy Koolaid!!!! I love it!
@VixenRosa
3 жыл бұрын
A bit late to the party here but as fellow ancient historian and focused primarily on Rome I'm so extremely glad you included the "Did the Romans get their gods from the Greeks?" section because it's just so incredibly pervasive and I'm constantly having to debunk it every single time I speak about Roman culture and mythology.
@mrjones2721
2 жыл бұрын
Especially when it’s taught in school. I remember studying tables of correspondences between the two pantheons. This video was the first place where I heard it wasn’t true.
@torfinnzempel6123
2 жыл бұрын
The real truth of it is a that both, being Indo-European cultures, got their Gods from the same, but older, culture source from wich they both derived. That is why their gods seem so similar, but have different names.
@flightographist
Жыл бұрын
@@torfinnzempel6123 The Proto-Indo-European (PIE) "orogeny" of deities is uncertain for obvious reasons but linkages do appear to be there: Sky Father, Earth Mother, Dawn Goddess, the Thunderer, the Sun Goddess, The Divine Twins, and the Dragon Serpent.
@TorianTammas
Жыл бұрын
@@torfinnzempel6123 Why do not then all decendants of the Indo European culture have the same gods? Well?
@helenamcginty4920
Жыл бұрын
Most gods seem to be related to the world around us. Water, thunder, sun, moon, etc so its no wonder they are so similar. Also different areas have different mythologies. Not a lot of ice and glaciers etc in the middle east so no polar bears in the bible. And no camels in Norse mythology. Fire breathing dragons? Volcanoes anyone? Etc.
@mariolongtin8271
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video, I learned a lot! :) I'm already looking forward to part 2!
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@erinmcgraw5208
2 жыл бұрын
"I'm still not over the Library of Alexandria being destroyed"- Raven LOL, I feel that!!!! 💙
@tbohtwentyone
2 жыл бұрын
Sad event for mankind.
@celsus7979
2 жыл бұрын
Oh the pain! Imagine what we lost, its like deleting all of youtube, but much worse. Scientific theories, maths, history books, (auto)biographies of great people.
@skepticalgenious
2 жыл бұрын
It's too soon to joke about it. So much lost knowledge....
@Baul_Punyan
2 жыл бұрын
I'm not over the colonization/invasion of the Americas. Catholicism destroyed inconceivable amounts of knowledge, only to elevate themselves.
@geekdivaherself
Жыл бұрын
Right there with you. When I saw that, I moved my hand towards my chest and grasped my hand in a fist (I said "hand" twice so you wouldn't think what I had grasped was my chest), winced and said out loud, "Ohhhhh, I felt that!"
@peterdore2572
Жыл бұрын
I really really like these Collabs! I really hope you guys make more! Its such a Good Mix!
@ulrichkamp6291
5 ай бұрын
Great, love it! At the end of the Alexandria chapter, though, I heard "... burst into flames ... save the squirrels..."! Good times. Time to call it a day...
@cdburner2548
Жыл бұрын
I always thought that the saying "Nero fiddled while Rome burned" just meant he stood around and did nothing, not that he got his string band together and played "Turkey in a Staw".
@praveenb9048
Жыл бұрын
You can never convince me that the Romans didn't salute that way. It's right there in all those Asterix books.
@sreal-iron5898
2 жыл бұрын
nice video, i enjoyed it, thank you for creating it
@straightfrom
3 жыл бұрын
This video was such a good idea. I very much enjoyed learning :)
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@motopanza
3 жыл бұрын
just subbed as i found this really fun and informative
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thank you!
@zacharymorris4504
Жыл бұрын
Did the Spartans that participated in the battle of Thermopylae not bring along any helots? I was under the impression, don't remember where from, that the Spartans were rather callous with the lives of their slaves and used them in military campaigns.
@Deipnosophist_the_Gastronomer
Жыл бұрын
I'm sure they did, but Helots don't count ... they're not even people. 😓
@walterulasinksi7031
2 жыл бұрын
It is generally within the realm of the supernatural, that many myths begin. Every culture has their own myths. Before the Olympians, , there were the Titans. Before the demigods of Sumer, there were the Annunaki. When cultures connect or advance, assimilation of myths will occur. It is considered that the Library of Alexandria was formed to be the reference of all knowledge and philosophies and also be the considered as one of the reasons for it’s destruction. While competing ideologies are a large factor,there would also what could be seen as the rescuing of demonstrable facts, then dispersed to various locations for safeguarding. With such occurrences, without the prior references, knowledge would decline into a “Dark Age” only to have a Renaissance when the ancient references were no longer hidden. Even the references that had not been hidden such as the works of Heron, these may be a compilation of yet more ancient knowledge. Some of the works if Archimedes may have been the republishing of ancient knowledge. His water screw may have been that he was able to discern the meaning of an ancient Assyrian word for a Date Palm. Without proper reference, there is a greater likelihood for confusion.
@gouravdey497
3 жыл бұрын
Chanakya, also known as Kautilya, the strategist who guided Chandragupta Maurya and assisted in the founding of the Mauryan empire. Chanakya's Arthashastra (The knowledge of Economics) is said to have been composed in Taxila. The Ayurvedic healer Charaka also studied at Taxila. Jīvaka, the court physician of the Magadha emperor Bimbisara who once cured the Buddha, and the Buddhism-supporting ruler of Kosala, Prasenajit, are some important personalities mentioned in Pali texts who studied at Taxila.
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
It is possible that Chanakya wrote his book at Taxila, and that Charaka studied there, but the story about Jivaka studying there is unlikely to be true based on the information I presented.
@pcsproshop8972
2 жыл бұрын
Your video (collab) brings a question to mind; Pithy questions, responses or just was it just the Hat?
@TheTonyMcD
Жыл бұрын
14:00 But Ancient Aliens said that there was no combination of hieroglyphs that could create those shapes. Are you saying that program is lying?!?!
@grammyyelog
Жыл бұрын
oh no they dont lie. :DD
@kelthuzzadofnaxxramas2725
2 жыл бұрын
What do you think of David Rohl's revised chronology for Ancient Egyptian history?
@christopherlane5238
Жыл бұрын
Regarding the Roman gods coming from the Greek gods, it’s not an assumption. That is what was taught in the public schools in America that I went to during the 70s and 80s.
@histguy101
Ай бұрын
The Mediterranean world, even the west, was in a cultural sphere revolving around Homer, including the Etruscans and Latins, and even the Carthaginians to some extent. Greek and Roman gods may not have been so far removed in the early iron age, and were already merging before the Hellenistic era. We don't know if there was ever a period of Roman history completely removed from Greek influence
@mrjones2721
2 жыл бұрын
About the "Roman salute": There is ONE (1) Roman bas-relief of a parade in which the onlookers reach up their hands to the passing parade in a gesture which could, kinda-sorta, mmmmaybe look like a Nazi salute if you squint, and never saw real people at a parade, and were highly motivated to find proof that the Nazi salute wasn't invented by the Nazis. Neo-Nazis point to it as proof that the "Roman salute" came from ancient Rome. People who aren't neo-Nazis point out that the onlookers' arms and wrists aren't rigid, and everyone is raising their arm at a different angle. They're not saluting. They're reaching out, just like people today do when a cool float passes by. (Or when somebody's throwing candy. The Romans threw coins, didn't they? Roman paradegoers got the better deal.) I wanted to point that out because someone from the alt-right is bound to eventually find this video and use the bas-relief as evidence. Shoo, Adolf. Don't drag the ancient Romans into your mess.
@celsus7979
2 жыл бұрын
Also take a look at the statue of Marcus Aurelius on horse back. A casually outstretched arm, probably a greating, not quite the fascist/nazi salute but similar.
@histguy101
Ай бұрын
There were also sorts of hand gestures done by the Romans, and they also had salutes in the military, salutes by gladiators, etc. We just don't know what it looked like. There are many relief depictions of soldiers holding a fist to their chest, or extending their arm. What we can be sure of is that Mussolini or Hitler didn't get it from a Hollywood movie. Saluting was a big thing in Europe at the time (And now is all over the world), and Europeans were all steeped in a classical education. The average European or American in the 19th-early 20th century knew far more about the Romans than the average person today
@peterpayne2219
7 ай бұрын
Nice video series. The Greek gods not equaling Roman gods question is nice, BUT, were they both associated with the bright moving dots in the sky? If both Aries and mars were based on the blood-red dot in the sky, then they are naturally linked. This would be a good to have you point this out. To miss this connection is…an astrological error.
@MarkBuckleyNapa
3 жыл бұрын
Very good myth buster episode. I will take slight issue with one of Raven’s assertions regarding Spartans not wanting to leave because of harvest. The religious reason is valid, but Spartans viewed agriculture as literally “beneath them” and only Helots would have done this “base” work, so even though it would have been at that time of year, it would not have prevented actual Spartans from heading the call of defense at the Hot Gates.
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
Ah, interesting point. The harvest and the festival were kind of rolled up into one. The Spartans would certainly have participated in the Carneia, the harvest festival, even though they would not have done the work of harvesting itself.
@jfjoubertquebec
7 ай бұрын
Clay pipe fan. Eyes of jealousy and admiration. Good for you!
@Ankit-d9f4u
2 жыл бұрын
So taxila is older than platoinic academy?
@walterulasinksi7031
2 жыл бұрын
As to the oldest university, or center of education, there can be an argument for sites such as Gobekli Tepi. Here the excavations of the “Temples” bear strikingly similar forms in close proximity. Such patterns are most commonly seen on university campuses with respect to classrooms. It is a disservice that when archeologists excavate sites of this nature they seem to consider them as religious. Why should a meeting place always be religious? While sites such as Thebes are considered to be one of many Temples, they do not bear close resemblance to each other. The differences are as striking as the”Gods” to be worshiped. I suggest that any meeting site where there are structures of similar pattern can be centers of education, even if there are types if religious practices held in any of them. Humans, just by the act if meeting together have a nature to compare experiences with others and that is the beginning of a center of learning. There are similarities between henges and theaters, as acoustically it has been shown that from certain points in a henge, the stones reflect and amplify acoustics. The same can apply to Temples snd classrooms, but the main achievement is the passing of information with the. greatest ease to a large body of people. Burial barrows ,Kivas, all have similar properties of acoustic amplification.and therefore can be used for similar function. It then becomes a matter of what influence is then applied. Is it a provable fact that can be demonstrated or a belief? When the influence is one of belief, then the concept of supernatural power through a “God” or person becomes a more important focus in the nature of controlling a population, as opposed to the show and tell of demonstrable facts where different views on the same fact can also be demonstrated. Such is then associated and not immutable. That is the biggest difference between a “ University” and a “ Temple”.
@histguy101
Ай бұрын
There were all sorts of schools and centers of education in the ancient world, as well as libraries and scriptoriums, but that doesn't make them universities how we define them. The earliest school in the west that we could call a university is the university of Constantinople founded by Theodosius II in the early 5th century.
@walterulasinksi7031
Ай бұрын
@@histguy101 while I agree with respect to historical record, it does not mean that during the Neolithic period that there were no centers of learning, only that we have no written evidence from such places. If the site at Gobleki Tepe was a singular edifice such as Stonehenge there could be a ritualistic consideration. Within known religious sites such as Thebes, the temples were not right next door to each other and using the same basic design. Additionally, most religious functions require much larger spaces and so far there is no evidence of it being a domestic site.
@diegoalmirante986
3 жыл бұрын
New subscriber (from the collab with Atun-Shei/Atlantis vid) here :-) I have to admit, Ancient History isn't really my area of interest (more 19th-20th century for me). And though I was never one to believe in fringe/alternative history *cough* Ancient Aliens *cough* I'm not familiar enough with the subject to know how many fringe ideas seeped into the public discourse, or know the basis of such claims (and why they're not sound). This channel's an easily digestible remedy to this ignorance, and I've watched little else the past couple days. Last thing I watched that goes as in-depth was the documentary "Ancient Aliens Debunked". Keep up the good work!
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, and welcome to the channel!
@diegoalmirante986
3 жыл бұрын
@@WorldofAntiquity : Thank you, just supported on Patreon as well. Looking forward to more vids :-)
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
@@diegoalmirante986 Many thanks!
@bobwilson7684
2 жыл бұрын
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@jonnywatts2970
2 жыл бұрын
That's the first time I've heard ACE. Is that after common era?
@WorldofAntiquity
2 жыл бұрын
I don't think either of us said ACE. There is BCE and CE.
@jonnywatts2970
2 жыл бұрын
@@WorldofAntiquity yeah I think it just sounded like it. That or I got distracted momentarily.
@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095
2 жыл бұрын
I preferred the original movie, _"300 Spartans"_ to the _"300"_ remake. {:o:O:}
@akbal7033
3 жыл бұрын
If the ancient Egyptians had helicopters, I would expect to find, you know, helicopters in Egypt. If they had a religion that involved a "sacred" hieroglypic script and high emphasis on an afterlife, I would expect to find an occasional regconisable pattern on the wall (specially when theyve written over past lines and one part come half off) and lots of tombs with things that were important and of value to the ancient Egyptians. You know, like helicopters, which have all been robbed and Tut didnt have his pilot license yet.
@dirtysouthclimbing
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been an “alternative theorist” for 30 years. I’ve never heard anyone say the Egyptians had helicopters. Only fringe morons may say this.
@akbal7033
2 жыл бұрын
@@dirtysouthclimbing Ive heard it once but it could have been as long as 10 years ago. Anyway I think he has changed his position after confronting me.
@mrjones2721
2 жыл бұрын
It’s always sad to hear of a young life cut off before the person could get their helicopter pilot license.
@Svartalf14
Жыл бұрын
smaller stones are never found under megaliths? man, you find'em all the time, how do you think the Standing Stones of Westetn and Northern Europe were wedged up?
@carlosdiaz2688
2 жыл бұрын
The Most Troubling thing for me That they had to be the best armored Troops in Greece .. where is that’ story Their skill in metals and weapons related Technology.., Absurd that it’s not cool in academia The weapons drive the Spartans not A wolf boy manifesto.. I love history
@Deipnosophist_the_Gastronomer
Жыл бұрын
The Spartans were forbidden from any type of productive labour. So there were no Spartan metal workers. They were also forbidden from keeping any type of written records. So there was no Spartan technology. There is no record of Spartan warriors using weapons or armour that were not available to any other Greek state. The Helots powered the Spartan state, not your fantasy warrior race. I find the Spartans un-cool because they had no architecture, no literature, no philosopy ... they were just brutal slavers and pederasts. Have a nice day. 😁
@nt3753
3 жыл бұрын
concernig the battle of Thermopylae the persians just repated their mistake of marathon . persian equipment and armor was clearly inferior to the grreece one and their spears were unable to penetrate the greece armour Comcerning the similarity of greek and roman gods, just a theory i learned, is the fact, that romans always pretended to be of greek ancestry (e.g. romulus and remus) so assimilating to this "higher culture" would not be uncommon
@willmosse3684
2 жыл бұрын
Great video. But is it not fairly well accepted that the Greek and Roman gods share common roots, going back to the Proto-Indo-European speakers who invaded Europe after about 5,000 years ago? With, for instance, both Zeus and Jupiter being later iterations of the theorised Indo-European Sky Father god Dius Pater? In which case the similarities between them would be based on more than just coincidence and borrowing (though these would be in play too)? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyēus#Sky-Father_epithet
@WorldofAntiquity
2 жыл бұрын
Well, it all depends on where you want to draw the line. But considering that in the days of the Proto-Indo-Europeans, the Greeks and Romans didn't exist yet, it's not meaningful to speak of them as their own peoples or cultures.
@willmosse3684
2 жыл бұрын
@@WorldofAntiquity thank you for the reply! No, they clearly weren’t their own peoples or cultures at that time. But a common ancestry of the peoples and a common root of their religions probably goes a long way to explaining the similarities between their gods. In a way, Zeus and Jupiter actually were the same god, but with respective mythologies that will have drifted over time. So when the Greeks and Romans later noticed similarities between their deities, it would appear this was more than simple coincidence.
@WorldofAntiquity
2 жыл бұрын
@@willmosse3684 Possibly. But it's all speculation. We don't have pre-contact myths to compare. The storm god as the highest god is seen even in non-Indo-European groups.
@willmosse3684
2 жыл бұрын
@@WorldofAntiquity I very much appreciate you engaging with the comments of viewers like this Dr Miano! Not many do. Yes, the storm god similarity outside of the Indo-European family is certainly of note. I think this warrants further investigation for sure. But I was under the impression that the evidence of a common root for many words in various European languages in Proto-Indo-European was fairly well established within the field in linguistics, notably in this context, the common root of the words Zeus and Jupiter. Which would heavily imply a common root for the gods denoted by these names. And, furthermore, that developments in archeo-genetics over the last decade or so had also shows common ancestry for the speakers of Indo-European languages in such a way that would appear to corroborate the evidence of a common root from linguistics. Indeed, you touched on these same bodies of research in your (excellent) videos about the “Out Of India” theory. So I would have interpreted this body of evidence as raising the hypothesis somewhat above the level of mere ‘speculation’, even if it is not confirmed beyond doubt. However, I find it interesting that a learned person such as yourself seems far from convinced by this line of argument, which may possibly lead me to rein in my own adherence to the hypothesis. Is it the case that you are somewhat sceptical about the whole reconstruction of the theorised Proto-Indo-European language, or is it more in relation to the religious aspects in particular? I am sure you are very busy, so no need to reply, but of course I do appreciate your thoughts. Cheers, from an Englishman currently in Romania 👍
@WorldofAntiquity
2 жыл бұрын
@@willmosse3684 No, no, I am with you on the spread of Indo-European languages. But knowing how the myths of cultures grow and develop over time, I do not think it is likely that the stories about Zeus and Jupiter all go back to the Proto-Indo-European days. The only commonality would be the worship of a storm god. We can't say anything more than that. If there are numerous details of a story that are similar between the two, it seems to me far more likely that the sharing took place after the Greeks and Romans met in Italy, not that it came from thousands of years before and they just so happen to have stayed the same.
@johndelong5574
Жыл бұрын
Reality is the myth. The myth is reality.
@nibiruresearch
Жыл бұрын
I only watche dthe item about the Great Pyramid. This is an embarrassing display.
@danjtrudeau
3 жыл бұрын
It's interesting how popular culture portrays Ancient Egypt as a super-culture, bordering on alien. The real civilization is impressive enough without the hyperbole.
@ChristmasLore
3 жыл бұрын
That's exactly what they're not educated enough to get!🍃
@swagatochatterjee7104
3 жыл бұрын
I often wonder why you need supernatural to describe these things, the world by itself is wonderful.
@danjtrudeau
3 жыл бұрын
@@swagatochatterjee7104 That's exactly how I feel about it.
@cringedproductions
3 жыл бұрын
@@ChristmasLore "not educated enough" noice :D
@DwayneShaw1
2 жыл бұрын
well, half the population has less than average intelligence - and a majority of the rest aren't all that impressive either. The real problem isn't the wild speculation of so called 'experts' and 'theorists', it's what they say, and don't say, about actual science. They also make false claims that 'science can't explain' artifacts and structures, or cite long out dated postulation as a current position, and ignore things like stone hammers scattered about quarries. And people believe the contumely along with the baseless claims of 'evidence' - instead of doing a few google searches of what science actually says about something they seem to be so adamantly interested in.
@theonlygoodlookinghabsburg2081
3 жыл бұрын
Woaw, I cannot believe that the Roman salute myth has been so inscribed in my subconscious that I have never even bothered to double check it but took it for granted all of this time. Now I can rest assured that the fascists didn't ruin any Roman salute.
@RockawayCCW
3 жыл бұрын
Google Francis Bellamy and the Bellamy Salute
@celsus7979
2 жыл бұрын
It may not have been a Roman custom, but there is a precedent. The statue of Marcus Aurelius on horseback. His right arm casually outstretched isnt as 'stiff' as the fascist/nazi salute, but could be the inspiration for it
@bob7975
Жыл бұрын
They've done enough harm to graphic design and facial hair.
@pearcat08
6 ай бұрын
Who'd have thought Neo-N*z1s would be liars?! /s
@KasumiRINA
Ай бұрын
@@celsus7979 outstretched open arm is in any generic wave, you can find people literally trying to catch a taxi with a similar salute, or celebrating on Olympics... that said, eagles surprised me, I was sure the local aquila with a wreath is TOTALLY from German occupation time and only swastika was erased in 45, but apparently that building was built before 1941, and it already had the Roman Eagle. Videos on that house absolutely make any russians destroy monitors with spit lol.
@sairadha674
3 жыл бұрын
So library of Alexandria is defunded out of existence.
@ratheonhudson3311
3 жыл бұрын
So many budget cuts
@KasumiRINA
Ай бұрын
Exactly like your local library, probably.
@DigItWithRaven
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for a great collab, and teaching me about the Council of Nicaea!
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
Any time!
@cringedproductions
3 жыл бұрын
@@WorldofAntiquity you still have yet to contact Ben, David? it's an easy thing to do!
@davidmiller9485
2 жыл бұрын
which council, there were more than one. Now granted the Councils really were attempts to define doctrine of salvation. The problem was everyone was twisting, adding to or removing some of the decree's. (Hence Arianism) So many times the Councils would go over the same material more than once.... I'm Eastern Orthodox so the Councils apply to me. :)
@TheMoneypresident
3 жыл бұрын
Ancient alien theorists say, "no".
@thhseeking
3 жыл бұрын
How can they argue with the Blue Box?
@zenosAnalytic
3 жыл бұрын
The nazis mistaking movies for reality is honestly such a perfect encapsulation of nazism.
@rosemcguinn5301
2 жыл бұрын
@@moodist1er In 1915, prior to WWI
@rosemcguinn5301
2 жыл бұрын
@@moodist1er Hitler did not create reservations, though. And he also took inspiration from some surprising places, such ads his own backyard, so to speak. 👉"During the First World War, eight to nine million prisoners of war were held in prisoner-of-war camps, some of them at locations which were later the sites of Nazi camps, such as Theresienstadt and Mauthausen. Many prisoners held by Germany died as a result of intentional withholding of food and dangerous working conditions in violation of the 1907 Hague Convention.[6] In countries such as France, Belgium, Italy, Austria-Hungary, and Germany, civilians deemed to be of "enemy origin" were denaturalized. Hundreds of thousands were interned and subject to forced labor in harsh conditions.[7] During the Armenian genocide, internment proved deadly to Armenians who were held in temporary camps by the Ottoman Empire prior to their deportation into the Syrian Desert.[8] In the postwar Weimar Republic, the Prussian Ministry of the Interior incarcerated Eastern European Jewish refugees at Cottbus-Sielow and Stargard as "unwanted foreigners".[9][10]"
@str.77
2 жыл бұрын
It wasn't the Nazis though but the Fascists. Also, I'd guess that David's painting had much greater an impact than anyone of the few movies. And of course believing movies would not encapsulate Nazism at all, or the world would be much more Nazi than it used to be in 1941.
@str.77
2 жыл бұрын
@@rosemcguinn5301 False equivalence.
@str.77
2 жыл бұрын
@Janitor Queen Maybe it's a contributing factor but that's not what Zeno ssid above.
@Jason-ms8bv
3 жыл бұрын
Greatly refreshing to see actual academics tackling this stuff, in the past I feel the disciplines felt too aloof and this vacuum allowed the armchair speculators too much opportunity to fill in the gaps, I'm off to check out Raven's episode. Thanks for the info guys!
@dantyler6907
2 жыл бұрын
The inner stones of the GP even have an ancient mortar glopped in between I'll-fitting stones. There is a corner of the structure broken apart and the inside work of the GP is a real mess...
@KasumiRINA
Ай бұрын
I've seen a documentary where guy inserts a camera into one of the gaps and reads the builder gang's graffiti.
@gunlovingliberal1706
3 жыл бұрын
Invoking Occam's razor will not deter the "it's aliens" crowd. They see that as the simplest answer to any difficult question.
@KasumiRINA
Ай бұрын
Why people stopped viewing alien claimers as complete cooks?
@RafaelSCalsaverini
2 жыл бұрын
People forget that museums are *research institutions*, not only public venues for people to see artifacts. Most of the objects are there for research and preservation, not for public display.
@yisun-sin5780
3 жыл бұрын
I stumbled upon your channel thanks to the History with Cy . I am more knowledgeable on the Middle ages (from early to late Medieval) , however channels like yours really made me look more into details about the Antiquity. What is even better is that you are like history myth busters, which is an amazing idea. Keep up the good work !
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
So glad you came by. Thanks for watching!
@eddymonies8302
3 жыл бұрын
I literally read someone’s entire thesis explaining the ancient Egyptian helicopter hypothesis yesterday, what a cowinkydink... Great vid, loved the collab, will sub Raven! Also, is sub Reddit up yet?
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
Ha not yet.
@ejrich7016
3 жыл бұрын
It would be fun if any of those nutty advanced civilisations theories were true, but it's important to have factual responses to those nuts as well. Keep up the good work!
@AIenSmithee
2 жыл бұрын
Of course you’d say that. You’re probably one of the elite dogmatic materialist “scientists”. You’ve probably never considering telekinesis being used to lift the stones for the pyramid. Have you even done hard drugs before? How much is Zahi Hawass paying you? I will not forgive this transgression as it’s an affront to the patron saint of internet academia Graham Hancock. I’ve done my own reasearch and spent vast minutes on KZitem watching interviews with Joe Rogan.
@dougcard5241
Жыл бұрын
There are more than a few hundreds of other pieces of evidence that make no sense and the idea that anyone who pays attention didn't already know about the trilithon is wrong. Its the first think one learns about ancient civilizations. Feel free to explain , which is not possible IMO, why any human would be so insane as to suggest stones for walls should be bigger than 50 tons. Then can explain what the 1200, 1400, and 1600+ ton stones would have been used for and why. No one has the answers and if say they do are lying to you.
@jasonhare8540
2 жыл бұрын
The museum's hiding artifacts thing has always pissed me off . What museum head would sit quietly on a controversial earth shattering artifact knowing the type of funding that could bring to their institution . Just the debates around the controversy alone would fund the institute for 200 years . It makes no logical sense to hide things of that nature . I mean that would literally be like owning a winning horse but only taking your ass to the track ....
@str.77
2 жыл бұрын
However, that is the myth that can actually be true in this or that case. We'd need evidence for that, however.
@TorianTammas
Жыл бұрын
@@str.77 We need evidence that you are not hiding an invisible dragon in your home. Unless you can provide it dragons exist in you home. Even I you provide evidence that it does not exist in your home it still can in your neighbours home. Do you notice the problem? We need a proof that it is exists and unless proven it doesn't.
@str.77
Жыл бұрын
@@TorianTammas No, you don't need that as nobody claims that. Silly analogies make for bad philosophy.
@coolintruddle
3 жыл бұрын
What a fun video! Although the information is nothing new for me, I want to thank you for the collaboration. I have been looking for new archeology channels and Raven's seems like a great one to follow.
@markokrsmanovic2562
2 жыл бұрын
Hi David, i just want to say that my Roman law textbook did mention that Pater familiae apparently greeted each others with a rased hand and an open fist, it ment manus and it represented the fact that they were owners of things like land, fruits of the land and human lives. It is said that the fascist party adopted the greeting and in the same spirit of power over others. Later it was adopted by the nazy party. Maybe it was some myth and i might have misunderstood.
@giulia885
Жыл бұрын
Hi! To my knowledge Manus was the legal power that the Pater familiae held on his wife and her possessions in case of wedding cum Manu, the oldest form of wedding that became less and less common with time - the hand was used ritually during the ceremony to represent the woman going under the "Manus" of the husband (under his control), it wasn't a form of greeting. Later the sine manu became the norm and the woman didn't exit her original gens after the wedding, could hold property, inherit from her father etc
@markokrsmanovic2562
Жыл бұрын
@@giulia885 ty for that information, I might have misses "Manu" being name for a wedding or my professor might have been full of shit but she wrote what I said, as well thr fact that pater familie could sell his family member into slavery if he accumulated dept or for instance take gis wives life is she drank wine in public. The punishment, she wrote, for a male family member who raised hand against P.F. was for the offender to be put in a big bag with a monkey, a rooster, a snake and a cat and tossed into the sea from a cliff. Believe that or not but that was what she wrote☺
@giulia885
Жыл бұрын
@@markokrsmanovic2562 it wasn't exactly the name of a wedding, it represented the absolute power that the father/husband held. The Pater familiae did hold power of life and death over all family components, and he could "sell" his children through mancipatio (symbolically using the hand again -it wasn't exactly slavery cause the child was still free and Roman citizens could not be sold in slavery, the child became liber in causa mancipii -free but subject to the patria potestas of someone else) up to three times (then he lost his patria potestas). The hand was used ritually in other cases beside manicipatio (declaring something to be your property), like some form of "manumissio" (ways to set a slave free) and to emancipate your child, making him sui iure, not subject to your patria potestas (he sold the child three times to a friend, after the third time selling his child the father lost the potestas over them and the friend set the child free through manumissio). So the hand represented the Pater familiae potestas over the extended family he was at the head of (wife, children, slaves, ecc). Killing your father was considered the most heinous crime, and to punish it there was poena cullei (a very old punishment that was briefly abolished and then reinstated still during the empire). The murder, wearing wood sandals and a wolf skin hood, was whipped with "blood coloured" whips, then sewn inside a cullus (sack) with a rooster, an ape, a viper and a dog (not cat, to my knowledge! -the animals were chosen as considered low and capable of unnatural acts of parricide or filicide), and then thrown in the Tiber or the sea after being paraded (in the sack) all over the city.
@elihinze3161
3 жыл бұрын
Such a great video! I really enjoy this type of stuff.
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thank you!
@McNastyxx95
10 ай бұрын
The things with museums is , I’m sure funding is a somewhat large issue in some cases. No pun intended. So the fact they’re hiding some insane stuff is crazy, they’d want to show it off to draw in more attention to create more revenue . My opinion on it at least.
@JB-mf9ob
10 ай бұрын
With regards to Museums hiding artifacts, this same professor discussed in the cocaine mummies episode that the museum where the specimens that were tested positive for cocaine are housed would not gran access to scientists wanting to second check the cocaine tests. In that episode he certainly made some arguments that the reasons being given for not providing access to the artifacts/mummies was suspicious or at least illogical. I am not a believer in some “super advanced” ancient civilization or alien explanations for human accomplishments, but I am a believer that corruption and self interest find their way into institutions and influence peoples behaviors, so it seems that based on at least one previous example given on this Chanel, the answer to whether museums hide artifacts was inappropriately dismissive.
@chickenduckhappy
2 жыл бұрын
Of course, tradition demands that the gods had always been the same and Aeneas of Troy and Dido and Italy and Romulus and Remus and of course, the Illiad hat always been the most important holy tale since before the actual founding of Rome because the Illiad and the Aenaeid are the actual history of Rome until a couple generations before Rome was founded.
@Jesse_IDG
Жыл бұрын
Sorry but spartan warriors were unavailable because of the harvest? Did she she mean Spartans had to watch their Helots harvest the crops? because i thought that a spartan citizen did not working his own farm?
@tsmspace
3 жыл бұрын
300 ... the legend of helms deep
@DenofLore
3 жыл бұрын
Loving the no fucks given Covid beard. Rugged.
@scottnunnemaker5209
Жыл бұрын
What I’m getting about museums is we need bigger museums and many more of them so more artifacts could be on display and not hidden away in some vault buried in the back rooms.
@nebulan
3 жыл бұрын
What about comparative religion... that both Roman and Greek religion goes back to a proto religion... is that too speculative?
@celsus7979
2 жыл бұрын
A common indo-european origin yes. But then they evolve seperately. So its not a copy of greek gods by romans
@franciskolarik6802
2 жыл бұрын
Watching this one way after after it came out, but another point about the "300": That's just the warrior class (actual enfranchised citizens). Like most armies, they would have had a lot of support, including logistics, assistants, and warfighters of one sort or other from among the Helots and youth.
@thegreatgazoo2334
2 жыл бұрын
Oh, sure, and I suppose that vehicle beside the helicopter isn't a landspeeder?
@WorldofAntiquity
2 жыл бұрын
😄
@chickenduckhappy
2 жыл бұрын
Didn't Greek and Roman deities converge a little bit inside the common Roman world? Or did people in Romans in Athens attribute vastly different properties to Zeus than Romans in Rome attributed to Jupiter? Was then Sol Invictus the first kinda unification?
@histguy101
Ай бұрын
Sol is Helios, god of the sun, or the personification of the sun. Invictus is just one of several epithets given to Sol/Helios
@chickenduckhappy
Ай бұрын
@histguy101 thanks! 😎
@rcrawford42
2 жыл бұрын
The Library of Alexandria slowly disappeared as time travellers "rescued" material from it.
@5am.robert5
Жыл бұрын
Started as a Hancock fan, but eventually led to a massive Miano fan. ❤
@WorldofAntiquity
Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!
@garryferrington811
7 ай бұрын
Tony Hancock was funny! So was Sid James.
@vladtheimpala5532
3 жыл бұрын
These collaborations are working for you. I discovered your channel through your collaboration with Atun Shei and History With Cy and now I’m going to check out Dig It With Raven. They aren’t just working for you though. They’re also working for your audiences because they give us more sources of information. Pretty soon I’ll know everything. 🤗
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
I'm happy to hear that!
@dracorex426
3 жыл бұрын
Nero wasn't unpopular. The public loved him. It was the upper-class that hated him.
@GumaroRVillamil
Жыл бұрын
Also, Greek and Roman mythology already had a common based from a shared Indo-European background. For example, the sky-father figure was central to early Indo-European mythology. Jupiter = Dieus-piter = Zeus pater
@lenrely2033
Жыл бұрын
Hello Prof. Miano from your favorite critic. Hello Raven whom I am seeing for the first time. Whenever a spokesman of the sciences is submitted questions, there is a question that stands out because the real answer is not the answer he'd like to give. In this case that question is "Are museums hiding artifacts from the public?". Raven's answer is not the answer Prof. Miano would give, because he gives it in his video "Are academics suppressing information?". As a technician I can tell you that places do conceal things, and it's not difficult to figure out... 1. Professionals in any field have seen bad behavior. Their experience is not "golden", archaeologists have "dirt" in other words. 2. A psychologist will tell you every major institution conceals things, it's human nature and the reasons are often very petty. When Stanford and other ivy league schools were revealed to be taking bribes, it shocked the academic world. 3. Skepticism is self-fulfilling just as belief can be self-fulfilling. My friend refuses to believe Bigfoot exists saying people would not conceal such a thing to protect themselves from ridicule, but he's a vocal arguer against it which creates that ridicule. 4. When governments do recover controversial objects (such as the Russian probe that crashed in Kecksburg PA in 1965) they are hidden in private facilities, like the flight recorder from that incident.
@AdvancedLiving
3 жыл бұрын
So, the “ancients” had helicopters that flew over sophisticated stone cutting machines? *Waves hand* - this is not the ancient history you are looking for...
@FlintGiven
8 ай бұрын
At around 15:00 you kind of don't understand the alternative argument. There was obviously a build up point if their was a previous or ancient civilization. They didn't just start advance, then fall and then gain/regain knowledge over time. I get your trying to do it a funny or mocking way but that isn't what people are saying, at least most of the people with that view don't think that. Other than that I feel like you answered all the questions accurately and clearly.
@Kain5th
3 жыл бұрын
you guys are making me wanna start up civilization iv again lol
@NullStaticVoid
Жыл бұрын
Surprised that you did not mention the PIE origin for a lot of these gods. We see these same archetypes in most of the PIE derived cultures. With some having cognate names. I'll see your Library of Alexandria and raise you the Library of Nalanda. When the Mamluks sacked and burned it, the fire lasted for 3 months. Also Nalanda was a residential university, with students from Greece, Persia, China, Sri Lanka, Japan etc. As well as foreign monarchs who contributed towards buildings on the campus. What is more like a university than a wing or a hall named for some stuffy old plutocrat?
@PrincipledUncertainty
2 жыл бұрын
There is a great debunking of Ancient Aliens on VersebyVerseBT's channel. He comes at it from a Christian perspective, but that does not kick in until the end. He does a very precise job of unpicking the lies that the "History" Channel choses to promulgate for dubious reasons, though I do not share his religious leanings. As I previously stated, the biblical aspect does not kick in until fairly late on, but what proceeds it is fairly impressive. Great channel BTW.
@halo.hunter5079
Жыл бұрын
Non-historical misconception: Actually i thought most everyone in the cast had CGI treatment for their abs except for Butler, who actually got himself ripped to get those abs. 😁 Raven you'd know this if you were a fan 😅
@Jay-xw9ll
9 ай бұрын
Thank you both for these minutes of sanity.
@christophercripps7639
3 жыл бұрын
Good info. Still didn't he Greeks & Romans did share some common deity heritage from the (Proto) IndoEuropeans? Zeus & Ju-Piter have been traced back by mainstream historical linguists to a reconstructed PIE roots meaning @~"skyfather." No doubt they added other deities & aspects from other cultures encountered over time. As for equating deities, the Roman writers were known for their translating the Germanic pantheon (as they understood it) to the Roman equivalents.
@WorldofAntiquity
3 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, I suppose one could make the argument that some gods go back that far.
@headlessspaceman5681
Жыл бұрын
Dude I have to say your videos are super-informative and educational but also fun. It's hard to make some of this stuff interesting to a modern audience without getting lots of aliens and reptilian people involved. You have an authentic, goofy enthusiasm that is a nice counter to dogmatic pseudo-history crackpots. Why so serious, crackpots?!
@stevenleonard7219
Ай бұрын
Dr. Miano, you call yourself an ancient historian. I just have to say you don’t look very ancient, lol!
@zibacherzad2844
Жыл бұрын
Two small questions, at the gates the 4000 heavy infantry fighting must have had supporting elements such as skirmishers, shield bearers, supply personnel. Does anyone have an approximate idea how many of them were at the battle? Second question is about the Roman salute, when I was in the military, I was told the military salute came by lower ranks raising their right hand as a sign to show they didn’t represent a threat to their higher command. Most people were right handed and weapons would have been on the right hand side. Could be older than even Greeks.
@masstv9052
2 жыл бұрын
Why did I hear that as "The lighting performed on Gerard Butler's ass".... Lmao . I had to hit rewind, then I felt schtewpid.
@gringott12-y7m
Ай бұрын
invented the German Salute. Who knew?
@scottnunnemaker5209
Жыл бұрын
The story of the 300 being mainly about the 300 Spartans has probably more to do with the survivor being a Spartan.
@vincentgaulin6663
2 жыл бұрын
If you come at me, I’ll refer you to the Wikipedia page of the Occam’s razor. It’s priceless. I’ll steal that one. But what if they say that it’s a red herring?
@garryferrington811
7 ай бұрын
The Library of Alexandria actually blew up in a gas explosion.
@DavidFMayerPhD
2 жыл бұрын
If you gave a major museum a grant equal to 1000 times its annual budget, it COULD display ALL of its wares. The museum would need to be centupled in size to accomplish this. Nobody seems to be willing to fork over this much money.
@douglasphillips5870
2 жыл бұрын
We know from Roman description of Celtic gods, that Romans would use the names of their own gods for similar gods in other cultures.
@DwayneShaw1
2 жыл бұрын
"Plurality should not be posited without necessity"~ Occam
@Jay-xw9ll
9 ай бұрын
Ive never seen a photo of the "helicopter" hieroglyph in the 2 seperate colours before. I get the feeling that was mainly deliberate on behalf of the ancient alien flat earth crowd.
@Svartalf14
Жыл бұрын
As for Nero fiddling during the great fire, we French say he was playing the lyre....
@briggs5534
3 жыл бұрын
and those "hidden" artifacts do get switched around occasionally, leading to new exhibits!
@neddyladdy
2 жыл бұрын
when you start talking about unknown entrities you lose me entirely. Who or what is a Gerard Butler ???
@-OICU812-
Жыл бұрын
Loved the video, but where is Ockham's Razor when I need a shave? 😁
@Iammrspickley
Жыл бұрын
I absolutely love her reaction after reading the card saying: the ancient Egyptians knew about helicopter's..... 😂
@ddddavid1956
2 жыл бұрын
Do you believe the Phaisos Disc is forgery or reality? Too many inconsistencies I believe.
@WORKERS.DREADNOUGHT
2 жыл бұрын
Glad to see the Thespians stepped up at Thermopylae. Lots of air-kisses, no doubt.
@jasonryan2214
8 ай бұрын
Y’all should do a video about marijuana throughout history. 😂
@dwarikaprasadkaala4594
2 жыл бұрын
Eye opener.Please let our Supreme Court judges see it. Modi should be asked to see it too.
@memorydrain7806
3 жыл бұрын
Deserves more views.
@Appophust
Жыл бұрын
I need me a clay pipe, but I don't live anywhere near the Thames.
@sgtflashback5442
2 жыл бұрын
I love your enthusiasm, you both are an inspiration to human curiousness about our fascinating history.
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