It is such bullshit that IS 2 costs almost as much as Tiger 2 but loses to EVERY heavy tank of Every other nation. Seriosly, it should be buffed, or cost much cheaper.
@gandalfsanft1107
Жыл бұрын
its a sneaky message from the devs that all soviet things are crap ....
@armano4125
Жыл бұрын
In normal matches IS2 wins against pershing, this video is badly done
@augusterodin2648
Жыл бұрын
@@armano4125 Luck factor bro:)
@czarus_the_sniper9924
Жыл бұрын
@@armano4125 in normal matches IS2 does not face Pershing. And the video is done well, idk ehat you are talking about
@armano4125
Жыл бұрын
@@czarus_the_sniper9924 custom Soviets vs USF bruh, Idk why do you act like you dont understand
@sy466
Жыл бұрын
Idk why is2 or Pershing cost so much , they are so bad compared to a panther or a tiger. I never see ppl use them in 3v3 / 4v4. `both especially is2 should get a buff. This tanks were created to kill panthers and tigers…
@cumanking4204
11 ай бұрын
No, I love to use them.
@M26IsBestTonkFightMe
8 ай бұрын
Bro the Pershing is the GOAT
@Wayfarer.731
2 ай бұрын
Because creators of this game biased as fk
@ThatGuyOrby
Жыл бұрын
Historically speaking at this range the first one to fire would most likely penetrate and kill the other with two notable exceptions. The IS-2's 122mm gun would fail to penetrate if it hit the central ventilator bulge on the upper glacis of the M26 (that thing ranged from 180-350mm effective thickness being 162mm thick and sloped between 24 and 50 degrees) or the turret face (the Pershing's 102mm mantlet was underlapped by a 114mm turret face for most of the area of the mantlet with a 60mm spall shield under that). However, if it hit the standard upper plate or lower plate it would likely penetrate. For reference at 100m the IS-2's main AP shell (BR-741B) had 164mm of penetration against a perfectly vertical plate this was rather subpar by late war but was sufficient to deal with Panthers and Tiger 1s (which it was designed to counter). The M26's 90mm gun would fail to penetrate if it struck the lower half of the IS-2's stepped glacis (211mm max penetration won't punch through a plate 217mm thick even if just barely). Anywhere else and it'd punch through with little effort assuming it's firing T33 AP-T (which it realistically would be as it almost immediately replaced M77 AP before the Pershing ever even delpoyed in combat for the first time). However, if they both somehow bounced their shot the M26 would almost definitely win because it had a practical fire rate of 8 rounds per minute compared to the IS-2's 2-3 rounds per minute. At a range of 500m or greater the M26 holds all the advantages though, like literally all of them. It still can't penetrate the lower half of the stepped glacis obviously but at 500m+ the IS-2 can't defeat it's turret face or upper glacis and has to hope for a hit to one of the three frontal weak points of the Pershing. Two of which are incredibly small. Those three places being the coaxial machinegun port in the turret, the bow machinegun port in the hull, and the lower glacis as a whole. For an in depth explanation why a range of 500m or greater favors the Pershing (Armor, Armor Penetration, Rate of Fire, Speed): M26 Frontal Armor (Effective thickness): -Turret: 276mm (102mm mantlet, 114mm underlapping turret face which spans most of the mantlet's coverage, 60mm internal spall shield) -Hull, Upper Glacis: 155mm (104mm sloped at 42 degrees) -Hull, Ventilator Bulge, Central Upper Glacis: 180-350mm (162mm sloped between 24-50 degrees) -Hull, Lower Glacis: 95-180mm (76.2mm sloped between 24-54 degrees) IS-2 Frontal Armor (Effective thickness): -Turret: 100mm (100mm mantlet, 100mm turret face, no overlap whatsoever and no spall shield) -Hull, Upper Stepped Glacis: 133mm (120mm sloped at 60 degrees) -Hull, Lower Stepped Glacis: 217mm (60mm sloped at 14 degrees) -Hull, Lower Glacis: 162mm (100mm sloped at 38 degrees) M26 Flat Armor Penetration at 500m (T33 AP-T): 193mm IS-2 Flat Armor Penetration at 500m (BR-741B): 158mm Practical Rate of Fire: M26: -8 rounds per minute IS-2: -2-3 rounds per minute Summary: At such a range the M26 could punch through the IS-2's turret, upper stepped glacis, and lower glacis while the IS-2 would only be able to punch through parts of the M26's lower glacis and the two aforementioned weak spots in the hull and turret. Note that the penetration listed is flat penetration as in performance against a perfectly flat (90 degree) plate of armor. That is why despite the IS-2's 122mm having 158mm of penetration at this range it still cannot defeat the M26's Upper Glacis which is only 155mm effective. Shells of the day performed markedly worse against sloped armor. So overall the M26 carries basically every advantage the greater the range is pushed out.
@ianislavgeorgiev3525
Жыл бұрын
Still a 122 mm shell vs a 90 mm shell . It's writen that the BR-471 was able to penetrate a tiger and a panther from 1.5 km away. The Pershing would pen the IS too. But for the sake of the game , both should pen, but the IS shell should do more damage (bigger shell , longer reload rate) . my opinion coz it s the shittiest tank in game.
@lukasz.adamski
Жыл бұрын
This game is a joke. Not only tanks are damage sponge but IS-2 can fire as fast as Pershing.
@Schnayper
Жыл бұрын
The game is supposed to be unrealistic for people to enjoy
@M26IsBestTonkFightMe
8 ай бұрын
No, the Pershing was more spacious so tye loader had more room and was able to load faster, ergonomics matter in tanks, that's why the german big cats consistently got their asses handed to them.
@MilkerName
Жыл бұрын
Grizzly Tank vs Rhino Tank IRL 🤣
@DustyPazner
Жыл бұрын
Holy shit dude that fire rate is so 🐌
@markpetrochenko8402
Жыл бұрын
you haven't played Is 2 on war thunder tho it's like 26 sec reloading a 122mm gun... at least they got some realism in this game... In war thunder 1 penetration means 💀💀
@DustyPazner
Жыл бұрын
@@markpetrochenko8402 wym war thunder is realistic. Coh 2 your tank gets shot like 90 times
@markpetrochenko8402
Жыл бұрын
@@DustyPazner I mean wt is realistic and this game is not
@michaelwittmann9606
Жыл бұрын
You finally came back :)
@CMDRFandragon
Жыл бұрын
Dafeck? Pershing would lose so badly to an IS2....what kinda balance is that? Pershing absolutely decimated that fking IS.... Just like how in Company of Heroes 1, no matter what i do stat wise to the Pershing, it always dominates my German tanks....even my King Kitty gets its ass pretty well beat by the AI pershings.....
@ThatGuyOrby
Жыл бұрын
No, an M26 would smash an IS-2 even harder than shown above in a historical context. The M26 held most of the advantages over an IS-2 in most any scenario with the IS-2 only slightly edging out in armor depending on where it was hit (specifically the lower half of it's stepped upper glacis, anywhere else the M26 is just objectively better armored). I actually did an in depth comparison between these tanks rather shortly ago and these are the exact stats. Frontal Hull Armor (effective thickness): -M26 Pershing: 155mm upper glacis, 180-350mm ventilator bulge mounted centrally on the upper glacis (102mm upper glacis inclined at 42 degrees from horizontal, 162mm central ventilator bulge inclined between 24-50 degrees from horizontal) -IS-2: 132-217mm (120mm inclined at 60 degrees upper glacis, 60mm inclined at 14 degrees lower-upper glacis. The IS-2 featured a stepped upper glacis the lower half being thinner but much more steeply angled while the upper half being much thicker but only very shallowly sloped) Frontal Turret Armor: -M26 Pershing: 276mm+ (102mm mantlet, 114mm underlapping turret face, spall shield of unspecified thickness speculated to be between 60-80mm thick) -IS-2: 100mm (100mm mantlet, 100mm turret face with no underlap whatsoever) Armor Penetration (best standard AP shell), should be noted that these values are against a perfectly vertical armor plate: -M26 Pershing (T33 AP-T): 211mm at 100m, 200mm at 300m, 193mm at 500m, 178mm at 1000m, 174mm at 1500m, 150mm at 2000m, 139mm at 2500m, 128mm at 3000m -IS-2 (BR-741B): 169mm at 100m, 164mm at 300m, 158mm at 500m, 147mm at 1000m, 136mm at 1500m, 126mm at 2000m, 119mm at 2500m, 112mm at 3000m Rate of Fire: -M26 Pershing: 8rpm -IS-2: 2rpm Summary: The only advantage the IS-2 holds is in frontal hull armor thickness when it comes to the lower half of it's stepped glacis. It's turret armor is much thinner and does not overlap, it does not have a spall shield so any shell that punched through the turret face or mantlet would enter the crew compartment, it's armor penetration was significantly worse at all ranges it was tested at, and it's rate of fire was 1/4 the M26's People tend to forget that these two tanks were made for the exact same purpose (to kill Tiger 1s and Panthers) but the M26 had the advantage of two extra years of development. It's gun despite being smaller had superior armor penetration characteristics and rate of fire. It's armor on average was thicker. The tank was also considerably faster. I don't know why people take a tank from mid 1943 and compare it to a tank from late 1944 and are somehow surprised when the newer one designed for the exact same purpose as the older one did it's job better.
@АлександрГлазков-ы4м
Жыл бұрын
@@ThatGuyOrby IS-2 had 122mm cannon, and superior armor irl, while pershing had 90 mm cannon
@ThatGuyOrby
Жыл бұрын
@@АлександрГлазков-ы4м a bigger gun means quite literally nothing (it's only tangible impact is post penetration damage which doesn't matter because the crew doesn't care what size tank gun penetrated their tank tank the second the tank is penetrated they're either dead or they'll bail, no questions asked) and it did not have superior armor either. It was better armored in one singular place frontally which is the lower half of it's stepped glacis which makes up less than a third of the hull front. The Pershing's 90mm M3 had drastically greater armor penetration and reload speed. You really should learn more about the tanks you're talking about before you open your mouth about them.
@ThatGuyOrby
Жыл бұрын
@@АлександрГлазков-ы4м I literally gave an in depth breakdown of every advantage the Pershing had with real world data and your response was quite literally "hurr durr bigger gun" and claiming it's armor was thicker when I demonstrably pointed out step by step how it's not. You either did not read or clearly did not understand a single word of it.
@thesmogo
8 ай бұрын
@@ThatGuyOrbywhy did nations bother with APHE if crews were just going to bail anyway? Why didn’t nations just go for sabots and other sub caliber munitions immediately?
@DENCSER
Жыл бұрын
The frontal part of tank streamlined shape with rational angles of inclination of the armor was cast, in various parts its thickness varied from 30 to 120 mm, it was connected to the rest of the parts by welding. The main armament of the IS-1 was the D-5T tank gun of the 1943 model, 85 mm caliber. According to Soviet data, the BR-365 armor-piercing projectile normally pierced an armor plate 111 mm thick at a distance of 500 m, and 102 mm at twice the distance under the same conditions. So information for idiots.
@czarus_the_sniper9924
Жыл бұрын
Why are you talking about IS 1 when the video talks about IS 2?
@tin9759
Жыл бұрын
@@czarus_the_sniper9924 because is2 is better than is 1
@czarus_the_sniper9924
Жыл бұрын
@@tin9759 1) it depends, against horde of enemies IS 1 will be better because it can reload 3 times faster while still having good punch 2) That is another (false) point made, not an answer to my initial question
@DENCSER
Жыл бұрын
@@czarus_the_sniper9924 The IS-2 has a 120mm gun.
@czarus_the_sniper9924
Жыл бұрын
@@DENCSER No, it has a 122 mm gun, and fire rate of about 2-3 shots a minute because of 2 part ammunition.
@XyrusAu
7 ай бұрын
IS-2 would of won if it didn't bounce those 2 shots earlier
@tin9759
Жыл бұрын
This game has shit armored combat system
@M26IsBestTonkFightMe
Жыл бұрын
Oh say can you see, by the dawns early light...
@baronbirman8675
7 ай бұрын
Yeah, fuck this IS2!
@theb-4howitzer592
Жыл бұрын
Every other faction unit betten then soviet. CoH2=trash(1200 hours)
@blitzrush226
Жыл бұрын
Суть совков в том что у них юниты слабее но дешевле, и либо ты играешь только 4 на 4 либо рукожоп который не умеет играть.
@Kamazych
Ай бұрын
@@blitzrush226ИС-2 стоит на 10 единиц больше Першинга
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