Minor correction from the statement around 9:30 You could play as any date between late 1066 and sometime in 1337. Between 769 and 1066 you could only pick the 769 start date, 867 start date, and later on 936 start date.
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the correction. Gonna pin this.
@whitehawk4099
9 ай бұрын
One thing I prefer about ck2 over ck3 is the raising of troops. In ck2, troops are raised in the provinces of the vassel they come from, and must move to consolidate. In ck3, troops are all raised wherever you want. In the former system, it takes time for large empires to mobilise, so there was an opportunity for smaller powers to come in with a smaller, more quickly gathered force and wipe out some troops before withdrawing and hoping you got enough. Now the most you can do is maybe siege down a county or two before you have to face the full might of the empire you face. I would have prefered if troops in ck2 had to gather from their individual provinces to make it a lengthier process, but as it is the process is better than in ck3.
@meameam
8 ай бұрын
Yes, it's just ridiculous that if let's say I'm raiding Sardinia the full army of the holy roman empire shows up from thin air before I can even finish a siege of 15 days
@teaser6089
8 ай бұрын
It still takes time to muster an army, but now you can't snipe all the little armies moving to the capital. For large empires it will take weeks to muster the entire army, just like in CK2...
@ItIsYouAreNotYour
8 ай бұрын
That was tedius bs. Especially the ships. I prefer the streamline. That AI has always been ridiculous to exploit. Just because it appears more complex, doesn't mean it is or fun. If it's realism you want, this game needs to be totally redone. You can also still do it that way, along with quick mods forcing it on the computer.
@whitehawk4099
8 ай бұрын
@@ItIsYouAreNotYour There isn't that much tedium if you properly set up rally points beforehand, because the troops will automatically move and unify into one army at that location. Ships are also important as they change tactical flexibility. The way to get more flexibility is to build more ships, but then you are slowing your scaling as you cannot build money or troop buildings. Depending on your situation ships may be more important, though this is largely the case in Scandinavia and the British Isles. I did multiplayer, and regrouping armies was an important strategic consideration. One way to ameliorate it was to, when you got large enough, give king tier vassals a province far from their land so you can raise their troops there. Fairly gamey though, and while not banned it was deemed a poor show. This solution is also quite late on.
@jodofe4879
8 ай бұрын
Troops in CK3 still have to travel trom the area they come from to the muster point. The time it takes to raise an army in CK3 is still dependent on the size of the territory the troops are drawn from. To measure this, set a few different muster points and measure the time it takes when you click the 'raise local troops' button vs the time it takes when you click the 'raise all' button. The difference is that in CK3, mustering troops don't visibly travel over the map anymore, so you don't get a few 100 armies of a few 100 soldiers each grinding performance to a halt every time a large empire goes to war.
@Alorand
8 ай бұрын
My personal feelings are that CK2 felt like an imperfect simulation of that period. While CK3 feels too zany somehow. Especially when it comes to morality, so much is played for laughs, like a funny skit.
@Soul_Tomato
8 ай бұрын
Idk if I’d completely agree but I can see where you’re coming from. But you can literally become immortal and do a bunch of other ridiculous stuff in CK2. I think CK3 just has terribly written court events - like the bad smelling courtier among others - as well as some other awkward events. CK2 was definitely not lacking in its fantasy so idk if that’s a good comparison.
@commisaryarreck3974
8 ай бұрын
Ck2 was often ridiculous These events were mainly locked behind insanity or possession. Or extremely rare CK3 and it's claymation characters playing the God damn Sims. Turning everything into an overly dramatic joke Feels like it's appealing even harder to the hecking redditorinoos and youtube content over what made CK2 great
@Mandorain
9 ай бұрын
I still miss having a navy, something about turning a province into my royal dock yard was satisfying.
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
I’m sad they don’t want to bring them back
@whitehawk4099
9 ай бұрын
I always disliked that there was no naval combat in ck2, and ck3 reduced it further. Now there is no opportunity for one region having not enough ships and having to decide between going on a long trip overland or ferrying troops piecemeal while risking them being wiped out by your enemy. There is no longer the risk of being caught by a stronger enemy and being unable to flee because of too few boats. Now it is just pay the fee and get on the boats. It is like there is a medieval ferrying service anywhere in the world that you just have to pay a flat fee to access.
@Nicolas-Sun
7 ай бұрын
@@whitehawk4099Now that you point it out, it sounds like the Guild service from Dune universe 🤔
@bobjoneswof
6 ай бұрын
@@Nicolas-Sunthe mutated prescient ship captains hold a monopoly on sailing 😮
@puransu20
3 ай бұрын
to be honest, i dont know what modern Paradox has against developing a fleshed-out naval system. Both CK3 and Vic3 might as well have no bodies of water whatsoever because of how poorly treated crossing bodies of water is, when historically it's always been a pain for any nation, big or small, to move troops across seas. Even more egregious when you consider during that same era of history CK3 is in that the Mongols, the greatest army in the world, was thwarted from fully utilizing the extent of its military power in conquering Japan because of bad weather. Meanwhile in-game, every coastline in the known world apparently has boat merchants you can just borrow transports from for a monthly fee. Even in Northern Russia, you can somehow transfer 50k troops by sea, they're all just cozy in their boats suffering minimal attrition and barely a landing penalty. Atleast in CK2 you needed to have a fleet to transfer, AND the longer you spend time in the seas the more fucked your army gets from attrition and scurvy. 10+ years after those game mechanics and somehow things got worse, especially considering CK2 already had mediocre naval gameplay. Vic 3 might even have it worse, yeah you can build ships for the most simple naval combat but once war fronts are established overseas somehow your 200k troops can magically move to the front untouched. When in reality GPs like the UK and the USA were the most prosperous nations of that era for the main reason that they can keep warfare as far away from their core land as possible. The naval invasion kinda makes up for it a bit but it's too simple and at the same time opaque.
@asemov2707
9 ай бұрын
I still prefer CK2 personally from a content & performance perspective. I do prefer the ability to travel in CK3, but overall CK2 is more enjoyable, and runs better. I miss having Republics, and I would love to see MORE government types, and an expansion to all of them. Nomadic/Adventurer, Tribal, Merchant Republic, Clerical.
@stoopidapples1596
9 ай бұрын
Yea, but one has had 6 more years of development, so I think it's fair that one lacks as much content than the other. Like, in terms of quality compared to the previous respective title, CK3 is probably the best Paradox release we've had for a long time.
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
Totally fine to prefer it.
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
Agreed. It’s launch wasn’t a total disaster like a recent title (cough, Victoria, cough)
@pl-AEtheRR
9 ай бұрын
Honestly, on medium graphics CK3 runs so much better than CK2 ever did for me. Strange.
@niles1492
9 ай бұрын
@@pl-AEtheRR totally agree ck3 runs way better than ck2 for me...
@mementomori771
9 ай бұрын
I think a big dlc CK3 could do that isnt something CK2 had is an expansion around playing as unlanded characters theres tons of interesting things that could be done and the roleplay and simulation mechanics they could add would be great but i also really want to see republics and a trade overhaul first
@stoopidapples1596
9 ай бұрын
Yea, I agree, there's already a ton that you can do in the game that's not related to land, so adding some more stuff to make them playable wouldn't be so difficult. Imagine being able to join tournaments and trying to convince your liege to grant you land. It'd also be cool because if you get deposed, you continue to play as your character and then garner support for your claim.
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
I would love that honestly. Would be great for role play
@1992zorro
9 ай бұрын
@@Soul_TomatoAmazing idea, making the RPG focus go off the roofs
@mansleg1188
9 ай бұрын
I agree. So annoying that a family / dynasty you have built up since 1066 hits game over because you're playing your 3rd born daughter who is fighting factions and dethroned. You're unlanded so it's game over. But you could go on to remarry and fight your claim, or you play on as your unlanded son who has claim to throne.
@wojmar7
9 ай бұрын
Heck, even playing a baron could be interesting. I never understood why they finally put baronies on the map in CK3 but didn't make them playable. Playing as unlanded sounds like a cool concept too.
@blitcut9712
9 ай бұрын
From what I've heard from interviews with PDX CK3's development is deliberately slower paced. CK2's fast development lead to a messy codebase which is what eventually put an end to further development, they're trying to avoid the same pitfall by taking it slower this time.
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
That makes sense. I recall the DLC would break the game constantly which doesn’t seem to happen as much these days.
@Rynewulf
9 ай бұрын
Thats genuinely nice to hear
@ardayldrm2656
9 ай бұрын
i heard the aim is have good stable quarterly results for stocks. it is not related to the game itself.
@ItIsYouAreNotYour
8 ай бұрын
Or is it a better way to milk a product dry?
@TheOwneroftheIC
8 ай бұрын
That's 100% bullshit given the ease at which they were able to update CK2 and the vast gulf in how easy it is to mod CK2 vs the mess that modding CK3 is. They saw that CK2 was getting big on reddit and with gimmicky youtube channels, and that it was an old game and they decided to make a new one with all of the wacky bits that get karma and likes at the forefront and stopped developing CK2 because they didn't need it to make money anymore.
@justinr6006
9 ай бұрын
I’ll be honest, I can’t play CK3 without mods. There is so much content which was not added to CK3 that already existed in CK2 and it feels shallow without it. However, I do not feel that was entirely because of the 9+ years of development for CK2. I played CK2 for years, hundreds of hours, before I eventually tipped my toes into mods. I felt like the base CK3 experience was bland to begin with.
@meameam
8 ай бұрын
Even if I think there are some structural problems in Ck3 gameplay which may be harder to fix or just require more effort (too easy to climb the whole ladder in a lifetime, once you're emperor nothing to do, tribal only feels like a step before becoming feudal rather than having its own dignity, REPUBLICS etc.) I think Paradox could HUGELY improve the feeling of the game by just writing more events. I imagine it would cost them very little to write more events which are original, different for every culture, and maybe some of them could also be a little strange (i miss that from ck2). At the moment I could be playing in India and I would get the same event I would get as an Asatru in Norway. It's not super bad, but surely gets boring fast.
@ua2894
8 ай бұрын
They don't want to make the game too fun at any point so you will buy new DLCs with the hope of getting more content and having more fun playing it. It is kind of like the diabolical freemium model where you don't want your players having too much fun with what they already have and instead want them to focus on more content (including cosmetic). I don't think more events will make the game less of what it is right now: a visual novel with semi-randomly generated story bits.
@aaronmoralesjuarez5349
8 ай бұрын
@@ua2894 The DLC issues is the thing i decided never buy another paradox dlc, ill buy the game, but once it gets to expensive ill just pirate it. Fuck their greedy asses, I like them games but not their business model
@spawel1
6 ай бұрын
writing events is fairly easy iirc, the hard part really would be research
@conker690
9 ай бұрын
I think they did polling and it showed not many people played republics, horse lords or the later start dates so they haven’t prioritised those as an inclusion. I think if they are moving away from just adding stuff from ck3 we might not expect these to make a comeback in the way they were in ck2.
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
Tragic truly
@tomassadil324
6 ай бұрын
I smell pre-determined BS. Just take a look at how many people played AGOT and most if not all of them enjoyed having an option to play Essos (republic). I mean you have like every week on r/AGOT people asking about Essos. Now considering it's not only those people asking for republics, I really don't see only minority of us wanting that.
@amelgicic7588
8 ай бұрын
My biggest problem with CK3 is the personality system. Personality traits are way too static, and they usually don't change within a lifetime. Once a character aquired a personality trait, it will stick until their death. Something that is not realistic and barely the case IRL. In reality, we learn from experience and change over time. Certain life-changing events can have a huge impact on your personality. Also, you only have three or so personalities and four or more is really, really rare. In CK2, the personality traits were sometimes perhaps too fluid, but overall much more enjoyable. It felt like living a life as a dfferent person whereas in CK3 it feels like whatever happens you stay the same. By the way, if anyone knows a mod that somehow changes the way personality works, feel free to tell me.
@andyman301
9 ай бұрын
9:41 If I remember correctly you could actually only play any year between 1066 and 1337 as well as specifically 769, 867, and 936.
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
My bad if so!
@nisezoom
9 ай бұрын
Good video, looking at CK3 there are at least 10 regions that need a region pack to make the game as a whole feel like the large map reflects a real diversity of play styles. At a minimum we would need packs for Britain, France, HRE/Germany, Arabia, and the Byzantines. I'd like to see packs for Eastern Europe, North West Asia/Steppe, India, North and West Africa, and Italy. At present we're seeing one region pack a year and we're around half way through the CK2 development cycle. At this rate we probably aren't going to wind up getting all the major regions covered. I get that role playing is the focus of CK3 but the samey-ness of almost every region feels like empty. I like CK3 but I'm holding off buying any more DLC until I see the whole thing fleshed out a bit more.
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
I am very curious to hear what the new dev diary will say tomorrow regarding next year. I have a feeling they may hint some DLC.
@stoopidapples1596
9 ай бұрын
I think major expansions will start adding flavour content alongside some major reworks, and when that happens then we'll end up speeding up the progress a lot. Just think about how much development was put into royal court and t&t, and just imagine if half the time was spent on some flavour alongside it. My prediction is that Byzantines itself will be in or even be its own major expansion, because I don't think a single flavour pack could really do the region justice.
@minnumseerrund
9 ай бұрын
as always when we're playing a Paradox game, the answer is mods
@A-Rather-Dubious-Character
9 ай бұрын
To add onto what another commentor suggested, I would love a DLC where you could play as an unlanded character like that one CK2 mod. It would improve the RP aspect tenfold if they just made that simple addition because, really, it would make sense. If you're deposed and reduced to being unlanded, you don't magically get booted out of your dynasty, it would be ridiculous. But CK is basically hardcoded to rationalize things as "if you have no land, you're irrelevant." Completely ignoring the staple mechanic of Claimants. Just something that I didn't give much thought to until CK3 came out with a more versatile engine. If anything, it should be more feasible than in 2.
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
I would really love unlanded character starts. I really hope it gets added.
@leventekingvevo72
9 ай бұрын
Why DLC tho? Why not free?
@nrliii
8 ай бұрын
@@leventekingvevo72 its paradox
@Lost-Mind
9 ай бұрын
I generally pefer a lot of the quality of life with CK2 especially the fabrication of claims. I missing the College of Cardinals, the Imperial mechanics of Byzantines, Merchant republics, the Reaper Due mechanics, China and events maybe it is me I will like they missing alot of things to do, especially with the events. If I had to choose two it would be Merchant Republics and Byzantine Imperial mechanics.
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
I have a STRONG feeling our next expansion pertains to Imperial or Empire mechanics
@Lost-Mind
9 ай бұрын
@Soul_Tomato That would be nice. I hope to see merchant republics afterwards or a bit later if they do something with the tribals with the horse Lords but it was bit of a mess from memory in CK2.
@Christian_Bagger
8 ай бұрын
I am probably one of the few that actually liked Sunset invasions. It’s like the final boss… my games always tend to become awfully stale at the point of invasion, and it always were a breath of fresh air. I’ve really given CK3 a shot. I don’t think it offers as much as CK2… however, I’ve done everything I wanted in CK2 with thousands of hours… been there done that.
@danknight8787
9 ай бұрын
Something ive noticed about how i play, is that in the past i could play a ck2 run for centuries without really expanding for rp and not get bored at all (actually the only reason i really stopped playing some saves was new patch releases making my old game corrupted). Nowadays i struggle to do that, while i can certainly do that on ck3 with travelling, tournaments, knights, retinues, the royal court (which i use as rp rather than if its optimal) tho i do agree we need alot of things still for ck3 like republics, more empire mechanics (if its different per culture or per specific title even better), even more options for custom religion creation (let me name my own gods or set different holy sites), etc. that being said, im having a blast with ck3 as it is and really dont think paradox needs to rush the dlc's (so they dont repeat mechanics like in persia). But again, just my own personal opinion.
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
You’re not wrong. I think this next chapter will do a lot to alleviate many of the communities major gripes. At least the dev diary seems to point in that direction.
@BoblopZmuda
8 ай бұрын
It is kinda crazy that ck3 just doesn't have ship building or trade. It was such an important part of the era historically and it removes quite huge parts of gameplay. Even just playing on an island nation is entirely different when enemy armies can't just float across the water at you with no pre planning or opportunity to intervene
@wegdhass5587
9 ай бұрын
It would be really cool if barons are made playable, all though this WOULD require editing barony titles quite a bit I believe. Could be wrong
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
That would be interesting
@nathanharvey8570
9 ай бұрын
I don't really think that would be as interesting as people think, though it does touch on what I think are some core issues of the game. The reason I don't think it would be that interesting is that the game is very heavily built around vassal management, in order for that to be relevant there has to be a minimum-tier unplayable vassal, otherwise vassal management isn't in the game and a great deal of things to do vanish. At the same time, there are performance issues to take into account as a cost to be weighed against any possible gain. Of course, this is a problem because the way Barons work doesn't make demesne management interesting or personable. Let's turn this CK2 vs CK3 comparison into a CK vs CK2 comparison: in the original CK you had no Barons. Instead, every County had 4 estates (peasantry, burghers, clergy, minor nobility), with each having an opinion of you and a share of influence in the county. This then determined what troops you got, and what kinds of realm laws would get you effective taxes, whilst buildings provided buffs or the like. Conceptually, it was very interesting, except for the fact that it was absolute garbage in implementation. In CK2 they made the economy entirely about having buildings, but introduced Barons as holders of sub-county fiefs to keep the people-management in the game whilst making it more personable. However, Barons work mechanically like any other vassal, just less so (for performance reasons, from what I understand). They don't really serve a special role as liaisons or stand-ins for the local population of the county or anything, and become just another holder of some stuff that you get a very basic tax+levy rent from. The core of your economy will then always be some buildings that you just personally have with some extra rent coming in from all vassals, baron or not. Thus the basic building blocks of economy and army-building have, paradoxically, become less "people-focused" since the original CK, even as the rest of the game becomes moreso, and demesne management and playing as a smaller lord with fewer vassals is therefore less interesting.
@jacksonsteal7082
9 ай бұрын
@@nathanharvey8570 I don't think that's necessarily true of CK2's economy. Certainly when you are a small ruler a good amount of your income is from your own personal holdings, but larger realms have to manage vassals to make money. Due to demense and vassal limits you have to make larger vassals that, with proper play, end up being responsible for large portions of your income. This means that keeping those individual characters happy ends up being an important part of your gameplay because otherwise, they won't pay you. That's not to say it's a particularly complicated system. The player that knows to create these kinds of vassals will largely be able to manage their opinions pretty easily, but it's still character-based. I can't speak to how this works in CK3, but I've gotten the impression that playing tall is extraordinarily powerful in that game so it might well be the case in that game that the holdings of vassals are largely irrelevant.
@Leverquin
9 ай бұрын
nah playing as count is already semi afk.
@scorpioneldar
9 ай бұрын
As for the start dates paradox hates them. They orrigonally stated that there would be only 1 start date for ck3 but ultimately couldnt leave out the norse systems nor couod they include them in what they consider the true start date of 1066. They note that most players only play in either the 1066 or earliest possible start date in ck2 according to in house data depending on if they want to start with all the features or build up a dominant power early. So they reduced it to two for this game and one for all their other new ones. I strongly disagree with this mindset but that os what the devs said in the lead up to release
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
Idk. I think having a focus on perhaps late middle age events with a start date wouldn’t be a bad thing. Just because someone says they won’t focus on it at release doesn’t mean they can’t change their mind. I see people commenting about start dates all the time and personally I think it adds more variety even if it is obviously challenging to do on a scale of CK3s map.
@scorpioneldar
9 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato I agree on all your points. sadly though PDX says otherwise. though your also right that things can change. they even said that if they release an EU5 that there will be only one start date. it does seem to be policy going forward... but It sure is one I hope will change.
@wifoutteef
9 ай бұрын
Great video. You have a great voice and cadence for this kind of content, so thank you for being sincere in your delivery.
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
Thank you! Trying to improve all the time
@alexandremachado2019
6 ай бұрын
would love a start date at the fall of the western roman empire. barbarian invasions, establishmente of the feudal system, roman flavor and a date that has never been explored by paradox. researching technology would be a problem and no one would ever play until the end date but I feel like it would be a very interesting option to have.
@Soul_Tomato
6 ай бұрын
Check out the Fallen Eagle mod
@Carlobergh
9 ай бұрын
It wasn't a DLC per se, but I would really like them to add shattered world and animal kingdoms to CK3. It was such a good addition to CK2.
@ItIsYouAreNotYour
8 ай бұрын
You can get that type of gimmick stuff from mods. There is so much more important shit to add and focus on.
@commisaryarreck3974
8 ай бұрын
@@ItIsYouAreNotYour "Modders will fix it" Paradox has truly fallen to the lows of Brthesda It's corporate cocksuckers defending every last action are judt as bad as well
@starhalv2427
9 ай бұрын
I think that the reason we don't have a 769 start date yet is simply because the current innovations system isn't balanced around it. If a 769 start date existed, by the time next age can even be unlocked all cultures on the map will have every innovation available completed, maybe except those with super low development. If that expansion comes, it'll probably include a reworked innovation system to allow for that. Personally, the one thing I'm looking forward to the most in CK3 are interactions with China- in whatever form they come.
@jessezeller-davis7699
9 ай бұрын
Seeing as one of the start dates already has two different Chinese emperors as on map playable characters, and the height map goes basically to Beijing already. I'm surprised how cagey they've been with just putting china on the map.
@starhalv2427
9 ай бұрын
@@jessezeller-davis7699 Wait, Chinese emperors as on-map playable characters? Which ones?
@jessezeller-davis7699
9 ай бұрын
@@starhalv2427 in 1066 there's both Emperor Yizong of Western Xia dynasty in the Hexi Corridor, and Emperor Daozong of Great Liao in Mongolia though whose real capital was Beijing.
@casmd2131
9 ай бұрын
There is one thing that sounds small on paper that makes me massively prefer ck3 to the point ck2 is almost unplayable now. I can’t stand fabricating claims is percentage chance based with the added factor your councilor can get bribed into not bothering to even do it and you have no way of finding out; while in ck3 you can have your bishop fabricate a claim and you know exactly how long it’ll take and it’s guaranteed. The other big things for me is culture in ck3 and the coat of arms/ nation flag designer in ck3 are really amazing. If it wasn’t for the fabricating claims thing I would go back and replay ck2 a lot more then I do rn, because ck2 does have stuff I think it does better then ck3; like events/flavor, the map looks way better with its papery feel, not having the BS royal court, playable republics, bloodlines, societies, and crusades being really fun.
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
Interesting that you like the old map more. Personally I think the visuals and UI in CK2 are eye gore in comparison to CK3 at this point. But I did like some of the icons more. The fabricating issue is an interesting one for sure.
@ReiMari12
9 ай бұрын
I prefer the old fabrication system personally. It don't like how easy it is to snowball in CK3.
@shmarko1
5 ай бұрын
You don’t need to fabricate claims in ck2 like ever lol. You have so many ways to get free claims for other lands
@MetsuNoShin
7 ай бұрын
This is an entirely personal wish, but I desperately crave a fully fleshed out ck3 and romance of the three kingdom mix
@landlubbber
8 ай бұрын
Regarding the earlier start dates, I recall reading somewhere that the reason they don't include them is because the historical record gets murky enough further back that for a lot of the Charlemagne start in II they were essentially making things up for large parts of the map, plus borders for counties would shift and that would require an engine-level rework to do given how baked into the game static county and barony borders are
@BLANK-kq8wv
9 ай бұрын
I really want iron century, its the perfect mid ground but wwe will never get it
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
Why do you say that
@DontKnow-hr5my
7 ай бұрын
Honestly... something i do miss more than i thought was events like the Child of Destiny, the Devilspawn and the cults
@johnnicholas1657
8 ай бұрын
The problem with ck3 is the sheer snap om of notifications. The dlc add interesting features, but they boil down to, ah crap royal court time click click and closing pop ups
@internethardcase
9 ай бұрын
This is why I never want to see an eu5. The thing that makes paradox games special is the sheer development time and updates their games get. But the downside is it takes years to get to a point that it truly feels full like ck2 or eu4. So yeah, I'll be sticking to ck2 myself until ck3 feels full, and I can do the out of the box crazy stuff I used to be able to do in ck2.
@commisaryarreck3974
8 ай бұрын
To get on par with CK2 it'll take at least 400 dollars extra for old mechanics, often half baked ones We see this with Hoi4 We see this with Victoria 3 And we can see this in CK3
@iRiDiKi
8 ай бұрын
The only thing with Paradox games and a lot of other 4x games out there, I do not understand why the sequels don't start with all or most of the features of the predecessor with tweaks to make them better. There's a lot of things in CK2 that just are better, that feel better, that have actually built upon the game and genre whereas CK3 is starting out with bare bones all over again. As an example, republics not being in CK3 at release is insane. Tours and Tournaments feels like the only thing that has built upon the game - but it happened 2-3 years too late. Another thing is the shattered world/randomised world stuff. We needed that in CK3's release with a randomised terrain or map builder along with it. And honestly, the feeling of CK2 just feels better - the map feels and looks better IMO.
@BulldogLawyer
9 ай бұрын
I just want my merchant republics 😭
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
Same…
@myphicbowser
7 ай бұрын
You know what feature I think needs to come back? Societies Not as they were, gloriously broken, but how they filled you with something to do CONSTANTLY Little bit of peace time? Here is a quest! You want to interact with someone more? Make them your apprentice! Wow that guy in your Society insulted you in a meeting? Rivalry! People always complain about stat creep, but that was never an issue for me personally because I also got so much CONTENT out of it, I could play entirely with like three pieces of territory and be happy with Societies for most of that gameplay while I wait for plots and claims to start coming up. Societies just added so much character, and it seems like a vaguely easy system, make a new menu, and then just change what all the words say, like they did with CK2, at that point its just writing instead of code and asset work, which would still be a LOT of work, but the majority of it would be writing and that would make players have MORE things to do
@Soul_Tomato
7 ай бұрын
I agree
@unciuncia420
8 ай бұрын
Important note, they did say why they have done the DLC;s they have done. They focused on story and rp more than mechanics because they wanted to beef up their coding team before dipping into any mechanically heavy DLC. A process for which should be done about now as per their original plan they shared on the PDX forums (Unless stuff went wrong). For 769, the said that they scrapped it because sources for rulers are more legendary than factual and they are trying to move more towards factual sources.
@Soul_Tomato
8 ай бұрын
Interesting 🤔
@hircenedaelen
9 ай бұрын
Unfortunately I think it's highly unlikely we'll ever get earlier start dates, as paradox says they care more about historical accuracy, and that's more difficult the further back you go, especially with ck3's more detailed map. My wishlist is a republic, theocracy, and nomad government types that are fun and atleast somewhat accurate, a Byzantine rework and the ability to start the game with a custom religion and culture. There's hundreds of nit-picks I could make but those are the big things I want
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
I think all those are great asks honestly. Not stuff they haven’t done before in any case.
@stoopidapples1596
9 ай бұрын
Actually, I was reading Dev responses on the paradox forum and it didn't seem out of the question for earlier start dates. I think a Charlemagne date is quite likely actually. But I think one of the things that will largely prevent them from doing anything earlier is the prophet Muhammad. If you haven't noticed, Muhammed is already represented in the game by a big orb rather than a character model, because it's considered disrespectful to Muslims to represent him. And for some Muslims this has been a big enough deal to kill for (see Charlie Hebdo attacks). Also, while they care about historical accuracy a fair amount, there already is a lot of characters that are more like fictional conglomerates of real life characters. They'd probably just do the same if they went earlier.
@ShiningLight
8 ай бұрын
The only thing I like more in ck2 than ck3 is that agot has dragons in ck2 and not in ck3.
@princeire7486
8 ай бұрын
Surprised you left out the fact that in CK3 Christian and Muslim rulers can no longer send missionaries to convert foreign pagan rulers, despite specifically mentioning it in your description of the features of The Old Gods.
@Soul_Tomato
8 ай бұрын
Good catch. Completely forgot that one
@HD-mp6yy
8 ай бұрын
The only thing I want to CK3 is fleshing out of the Eurasian Steppe
@Arcboltkonrad13
9 ай бұрын
My hopes for future DLC >More cosmetics >West African focus >East African focus >British focus >India focus >North and Central European focus >Byzantine/Mediterranean focus >Republics >Massive Religion focus (I hate that you can't reform druidism basically, but you can Hellenism!)
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
More free non dlc pack cosmetics otherwise I agree!
@Pandauron
8 ай бұрын
I can get behind the massive religion focus. I want to reform the Ancient Egypt culture and religion like you can do with the Roman Empire, but I can't do that neither in vanilla nor in a modded version of CK3 (all Egypt mods are outdated).
@krayze144
8 ай бұрын
@@Pandauron well that would be a bit silly to include in the vanilla game because Ancient Egypt culture and religion is some 2000+ years before the start of the game, it was already ancient history in 867. Might as well give us the option to restore Babylon while they're at it. The fall of the western roman empire is only 400 years before the start date and the the eastern half still exists so there is something to restore, hellenism still exists, the idea of the Roman Empire still exists in the hearts and mind of the people of the Byzantine Empire, In fact to them there was no Roman Empire to restore because they already were the Roman Empire.
@avpman12
Ай бұрын
I never realized how much I would miss the College of Cardinals. It was just…I don’t know fun to manipulate and put your man on top.
@Soul_Tomato
Ай бұрын
I genuinely believe a religion rework is coming sooner or later
@alexd9134
4 ай бұрын
The problem is they released ck3 like their playerbase hadn't already played ck2 to death... no innovation, too few improvements. Playing it felt 'been there done that' and 'that's just barebones ck2'. Same with eu5 btw. There is no way within the first 5-10 years of release it'll be superior to eu4, it's impossible. Even if eu5 becomes the most solid base game in pdx history it will be called boring, empty and unfinished by eu4 veterans, while new players will be the ones to defend it. And I bet pdx is aware of that so they keep investing in accessibility - through simplifying existing mechanics - and mainstream appeal (through focus on meme-able content) over new deep and innovative game mechanics. Knowing they can't improve on what they already made in a meaningful way and instead just sell to new people while basically scamming anyone who already owns the older games
@omaraboal-azm8705
9 ай бұрын
I was from the team who really....REALLY hated ck3 but after legacy of persia and fate of iberia and the struggle system i feel that i can say that it is a very good game now i love the struggle system and i feel that we only need one more struggle and that would be good and enough from this feature and that is something that ck2 completely lacked and i although love the realism in ck3 as ck2 moved to mythology in it's last years but i would love to see some supernatural things like the immorality events and i although like the bloodlines and i hope to get them back
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
Good to hear!
@tosspot1305
8 ай бұрын
Your crashes are probably ram related. CK3 uses eye watering amounts of ram to run smoothly. I had frequent crashes on my steam deck when running ck3. I increased the swap file size and it fixed them.
@omaraboal-azm8705
8 ай бұрын
@@tosspot1305 Oh the crashs had stopped now after I rest my pc
@F4aXxZ
9 ай бұрын
One of the problems of CK3 is that it feels kinda like CK2 but with less in it. So why even bother to play it, when I can play CK2 with more in it and even better roleplay options. The small fact like baronies have a very limited amount of building slots which limits what you can build instead of the CK2 way of you can build everything but you have to choose what you want first. Then the fact that you character has a leveling system where you have to progress in certain areas to be able to do basic stuff that you were able to in CK2 and the only thing that was limiting the use of those things were your skills. CK3 feels like it forces your characters into one direction while in CK2 (if you have the skills) it's your choice. And the genetics in CK3 are all wrong and too broken.
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
The biggest reason for me is the quality of life improvements and the UI. CK2 has and always will look like medieval excel. I won’t deny genetics are easily broken in CK3 but no one is forcing you to do that. I have personally never made a “perfect pure blood” character because meta gaming is boring to me. Plus having to focus on just one thing k think was the devs attempt at preventing snow balling which, if so, they should have probably edited how wars work.
@XVlove
9 ай бұрын
Ck3 is a dynasty grand strategy while ck2 was eu4 with characters. In ck3, i get to PLAY a character while in ck2, sure i can play as someone, but ultimately, i only do limited things while waiting for the truce to finish with extra flavors. This is why monk and mystics was LOVED despite the initial criticism it got by the historically accurate Players. That's why i prefer ck3. Because it's its own breath, not a mix and match eu4 with extra flavors.
@Annafyz
15 күн бұрын
I still can't get a hold of ck3. It's too complicated. When I first started to play ck2, it took some time but I figured it all out. Ck3 just confuses and overwhelms me each time I honestly try to start a new game
@ryankasch5561
9 ай бұрын
Definitely a lot of what ck2 has that ck3 doesnt have is because of design choices. Governments and religions don't really play differently, as in trying to make flexible systems you reduce distinctiveness. I really liked the old system of unique duchy level buildings that you made choices on, along with the old republic house system, but the new systems are very much against things like that. Knowing paradox they could always make duplicate systems to add fake complexity (looking at you EU4), but the lack of distinction between playing leads me to play ck3 for a week every new dlc, then drop it. This most recent dlc i didn't play until my end of year mega campaign.
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
That’s a fair assessment. I make videos for it and I play modded 90% of the time
@xk1390
9 ай бұрын
Interesting, I haven't played CK2. How about comparing Imperator: Rome to CK3? People do megacampaigns like that.
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
Ive actually not played Imperator. Is it worth it?
@xk1390
9 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato Definitely, if you use the Invictus mod which adds more flavor, bugfixes and AI improvements (along with the latest 2.0.4 open beta Paradox released this year). Imperator focuses a bit more on strategy and pop management and a bit less on characters. And who doesn't like at least one of Sparta, Rome, Carthage or Macedon? :)
@mappingshaman5280
9 ай бұрын
@@xk1390persia and Egypt fans :p
@shad0wmech
8 ай бұрын
My main problem with Ck 2 is the map gives me headaches whereas most other strategy games don't Including all other paradox games
@Soul_Tomato
8 ай бұрын
CK2s map and UI are terrible imo
@shad0wmech
8 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato It would be amazing if it was just most of ck2's mechanics and content along with some of the good shit from ck3 and ck3's UI and interface or at least the map
@Soul_Tomato
8 ай бұрын
@@shad0wmech totally fair
@Huesenheimer
9 ай бұрын
I agree about early starts (that's why I've stuck with CK2), I wish we had one for the fall of the WRE. I think the regional pagan faiths make realms feel unique. Big Christian or Muslim blobs play very samey. I'd love to see Celtic and Egyptian faiths added, or the Germanic faith split into West/East/North variants.
@antoniorodriguez5849
9 ай бұрын
Priority List: 1-Republics (maybe economy overhaul alongside this) 2-More start dates 3-Cardinall College 4- african and indian flavour. To me if we got this id be sattisfied
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
Same
@SilentCrow0
9 ай бұрын
Really loved roleplaying in CK2 as godly warrior then getting old and still having high duel skill searching Byzantine empire for best fighters to fight and either die fighting or return with prestige!
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
Or being able to eat people for their skills
@SilentCrow0
9 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato or having collection of enemies in your room Embalmed to prevent any plots with Murder Bloodline, even remember how the kid still had -100 of every vasal for his parent 'ways'.
@Agent554-yb7cw
8 ай бұрын
CK2 soundtrack combined with songs of Byzantium reached the PEAK EARSTHETICS of any paradox game.
@Soul_Tomato
8 ай бұрын
I mean that’s true
@commisaryarreck3974
8 ай бұрын
Negative That's the last good Victoria game Vicky 2 is peak sountrack
@Agent554-yb7cw
8 ай бұрын
@@commisaryarreck3974 No your taste is just inferior.
@BioTheHuman
9 ай бұрын
The main problem of CK3 aren't the missing DLCs and content, are the mechanics which weren't improved from CK2 or they even got worse. CK2 wasn't perfect, but had a lot of good things. They should have took those and improve, not building from scratch an almost different product. About the specific list of the features, I just don't want to put myself to it and explain all of them, they are present and it's enough to play both games to understand it.
@evanator3521
Ай бұрын
Are there any mods with the best of both? I would love to play either game with a mod that allows me to have the ck2 experience but in a way that would be easy for me to get used to as a ck3 player
@weaszx7569
8 ай бұрын
ck2 is more fun to play than ck3
@dalimillazan2877
9 ай бұрын
Thank you for the great video! So in 3 years time I also arrived at conclusion that CK3 is much better thna CK2 at the same time, will see in 5 year time tho! :D
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
Hahaha indeed we shall
@clarkwoods4035
Ай бұрын
We got legacy of rome coming to ck3 as roads to power
@mohammadkamelan1047
Ай бұрын
The in-game guide for CK2 is very vague and I couldn't learn much from it. The tutorials on KZitem also aren't as good as they should be for teaching the game. Do you know any methods that can help me learn CK2's complex mechanics more easily and quickly?
@Soul_Tomato
Ай бұрын
Honestly probably just playing and failing, a lot. Thats kinda how you have to learn most paradox games.
@AvgCiv
8 ай бұрын
Invested a lot of time in both and although i still orefer ck2 in a lot of ways ck3 is still ver enjoyable and I have a lot of hope for the game. Features like the new title and character customization are great and Im hopeful for the games future :)
@brendan9868
8 ай бұрын
I’ve heard paradox wasn’t happy with how Charlemagne turned out in 2 because there’s so little info from the time that they had to just fill in the map with mostly made up people, so I have a feeling that one ain’t coming. But holy fuck we need more start times, if they don’t wanna go back to before the Viking age then for the love of god at least go forward past 1066. It’s just getting so stale having the 2 start points, especially since in my experience all the big events with them end out the same, 1066 in particular. 1066 in my games always just go: -Normans win England -Byzantines get smacked by Seljuks, then goes completely stagnant in the east -iberia does nothing -Crusade called, loses -HRE shatters within 50 years for some reason The game just feels way more predictable and stagnate than 2. In 2 I’ve seen the ai reform the Roman Empire, but in 3 it’s rare I even see the ai declare a war that’s not just on a independent tribal count or a civil war.
@warrik3958
8 ай бұрын
The differnce I find is that I enjoyed the events from ck2 more than CK3. In ck2, if you decide to not go to war, random intresting events popped up. They didnt tell you out comes and thats how it roled. CK3 on the other hand, even with all this new stuff, feels less random. You aint gonna send a trade deligate off, or build a garden, have a random lord from across the land come and see you, ot even go and trade with the other side of the map. No chinese suprise, or empire events. No random meeting with a witch or meeting of a pope. Ck3 as a vassel is very boring. Ck2 as a vassel is great. CK3 is also easy to become op. Yet empires melt like butter. Ow and my biggest issue is murder, its every fucking wear!
@Albania4life535
9 ай бұрын
Ck2 may be free to play but those dlc are overpriced , they should make them like 5 or 3 euro not 15 because its a old game and it already has a new game in the series
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
Paradox dlc price is kinda crazy ngl
@Albania4life535
6 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato Yea but they also basiclly make the best games in the genre
@TheKindofTiredSleepCantFix
9 ай бұрын
I genuinly don't understand why this game is so positively viewed while Vicky III is reviled. I can't stand the direction CKIII has gone in with its focus on being a bad RPG over being a strategy game.
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
As someone who has played both, Vicky 3 just felt too surface level complicated. Outside of the economy and war it was basically a 5 speed simulator, which I didn’t enjoy
@DudeWatIsThis
6 ай бұрын
Q: "Which is better, CK2 or CK3?" A: "EU4"
@Brendissimo1
4 ай бұрын
How does an expansion pack CALLED "Legacy of Persia" not properly flesh out Zoroastrianism and its branches???
@Soul_Tomato
4 ай бұрын
It does add it to the game (as well as secret faiths which was nice). Religion in CK3 in general is fairly simplified so I’m not sure what sort of fleshing out you’d mean.
@Brendissimo1
4 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato I haven't played CK3, I am simply replying to the video, where you said they "sort of" implemented Zoroastrianism in that DLC. It just strikes me that a DLC with that title would want to do justice to that faith.
@Soul_Tomato
4 ай бұрын
That’s fair enough
@deviousalemanni4235
8 ай бұрын
I miss the charlemagne start, republics and horselords the most
@luizf1861
8 ай бұрын
I want more start dates
@Soul_Tomato
8 ай бұрын
Same
@scorpioneldar
9 ай бұрын
Republics never really worked in ck2 though. They were constantly broken often leading to every succesion being a game over. You could start as a electing house and become the ruler of a republic. But if you ever lost an election you could never go back to that family land. It just ended the game. I hated ck2 republics and that is the stated reason by the devs that they arent in here. They dont work. They never worked and they wont put them back in until they can consistently make them work.
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
I think we may seem them yet
@scorpioneldar
9 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato we may. they claim to be working on it... but they claimed that before release to. we shall see. If they actually work I will be estatic. I would LOVE a venice game. but.... lets just say I don't want the mess that CK2's republics were anywhere near here. I genuinely played without that DLC after buying it just to make it cause less problems.
@NB233___
2 ай бұрын
I asked ppl who played the game if it’s unreasonable to wonder if there should be more start dates at this point in time and they acted like I was crazy 10:30
@Soul_Tomato
2 ай бұрын
It seems they’re at least working to amend issues like that with a new start date coming with the next dlc
@timbucktoo7568
9 ай бұрын
The positions they take for not adding any additional start dates make no sense. I can see not wanting to take the time to add the option to play literally any date, but at least make it the major 5 from ck2, or as much as the additional dates of interest like the alexiad, or latin empire periods. The game is stale with only 2 start dates
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
It bothers me as well
@TheBusbyBabes
7 ай бұрын
i think it should also be added that ck3 doesnt just let you start as a muslim nation from the beginning but also as a sub sahran nation. and i think the comparison is flawed anyways, tours and tournaments was a much needed expansion because it gave you something to do outside of war and now with landless gameplay and plagues and all those new dlc announced it keeps going into a more rp style direction which is just really down to personal taste in the end
@mkNf-uk8py
8 ай бұрын
Worst thing in ck3 is the UI looks like windows excel. No art into something so important, no immersion
@Soul_Tomato
8 ай бұрын
That's honestly not something I'd thought of but this is true, huh.
@alizomenta3801
8 ай бұрын
thanks for the good video. i personally miss the law system.
@SephonDK
8 ай бұрын
Basically agree with this video. The only real thing CK3 is missing over CK2 is the repuclican government as playable. People also often miss how much stuff there is in CK3 over 2, how much smoother it runs, how some of the more annoying stuff has been pruned in favor of everything just being generally smoother. Much smoother multiplayer too, even still having a bunch of bugs. And that's leaving aside the graphics that I didn't expect ending up caring about. Seeing the characters as individualized 3D models just adds so much to the experience.
@Soul_Tomato
8 ай бұрын
I think as a base package especially it blows CK2 out of the water. It’s WAY more approachable
@breadbaskets2772
9 ай бұрын
Paradox just hasnt been making new start dates for games anymore i dont have hope anymore will be added
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
Apparently they talked about it in development that they didn’t want to do too many so I’d say this is correct
@tla2119
8 ай бұрын
love ck3: started as a province in cyrenca before ruling north africa before being annoyed by the pope declaring crusade after crusade so I conquered all of italy, then I was sacred france may invade so I invaded france to defend italy then invaded spain and the balkans and turkey now they are rebellion. its currently 1401 and I might lose my empire in the final years of the game
@celwenileran2135
8 ай бұрын
Hot take here: I don't care about a lot of the older systems returning. I want actually newer systems and improvements to the current game before they add something extra. With mainly 3 focuses. Primary one being warfare. Making warfare feel a lot more smooth, a bit more controllable but also punishing. Other two are diplomacy - more interactions, more deals, proposals etc. Lastly - intrigue. More interactions, schemes, plots. It's baffling that they haven't really added more hostile schemes to this day.
@99Bobson
8 ай бұрын
There is a thing that is missing in CK3. Difficulty. The AI is still a joke in almost every aspect (military, economy, roleplaying). The game is somehow keeps getting easier with each Free Update/DLC (New garrisoning mechanic is OP as hell, Accolades are OP as hell, new Taxation for clans is OP as hell, Clan Harmony Succession is OP.) Diseases are still laughable, I have rulers that live with cancer for 15+ years. Stewardship Perk Tree being completely OP literally since launch. And the (personally) saddest thing about this is that this is obviously the state Paradox wants this game to be in. They know that CK3 is piss easy, but they don't care. CK3 is a grand "strategy" game, where the moment you, even accidentally, make an actual strategic decision, the game is just gonna snowball out of control. If CK2 ran as well as CK3 did, I would never turn on CK3 again. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying CK2 is this insanely hard game. But CK2 had something CK3 doesn't. Randomness that could *completely* derail your campaign. Genius heir getting cancer is a meme in CK2 community, but it's there for a reason. Because it, and things like that, happen. In CK3, I can count the number of times my Ruler has been assassinated on the fingers of one hand. I have 1.5k hours in CK3. I don't even remember if my Heir *ever* got assassinated. And as I said, Paradox knows all this, they just don't care.
@99Bobson
8 ай бұрын
To add to this, I have never in my 1.5k hours had a Game Over in CK3 and I still sometimes get Game Overs in CK2 That should tell you everything you need to know about these two games.
@99Bobson
8 ай бұрын
I have also never lost to a Peasant Rebellion in CK3, while I definitely did in CK2. If I keep thinking about these differences, I believe I could type them out sporadically for hours
@tylerdaly2244
9 ай бұрын
Ck2 multiplayer actually works for me. CK3 on the other hand has only worked once. Idk how people get multiplayer games to work on 3 without messing with a bunch of settings, feel like paradox should make it run instead of having us jumping through hoops to make it work
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
The multiplayer in CK3 is terrible, that’s true
@talios6824
8 ай бұрын
I don't understand why Paradox shies away from releasing a DLC titled, "The Far East" which would include a playable China, Japan, Korea, etc. It would be immensely popular.
@ASlickNamedPimpback
9 ай бұрын
crazy the difference between CK2 and CK3 VS EU4 and EU... no, just that EU4 is still alone.
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
EU4 is still pretty popular from what I understand is it not?
@ASlickNamedPimpback
9 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato yes exactly. Its player count hovers around 15k, ten years after its release. I actually just got it and man I can't even tell the age
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
@@ASlickNamedPimpback make sure you give Anbennar a try!
@ASlickNamedPimpback
9 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato Damn that actually looks insane, probably will have to get the dlc subscription to play it but once I finish my Savoy playthrough that's definitely on my list. After byzantium of course
@KeinNiemand
3 ай бұрын
Personally I think features that apply to the whole game which you call minor are more important then anything that's only for a specific region or goverment type or religion or whatever.
@Soul_Tomato
3 ай бұрын
I would agree with that statement at this point (obviously not when I made this video)
@danielchauvin9317
8 ай бұрын
Fall of rome is in mods. 476 in TFE and potentially WTWSMS
@Soul_Tomato
8 ай бұрын
True and I love TFE. But you can’t judge a game by its mods.
@gh0rochi363
8 ай бұрын
I own both and i still play ck2 and only once in a bluemoon play ck3.
@ObadiahtheSlim
8 ай бұрын
Also still no epidemics at all that were in vanilla at launch. We have Reaper's Due doctor system, but without the pandemics, they are mostly pointless.
@darken2417
8 ай бұрын
We will get some of the things we want back eventually... At a price. The price of getting multiple whole new games lol
@Soul_Tomato
8 ай бұрын
Yeah unfortunately
@TheUrobolos
3 ай бұрын
What i cant stand about CK3 is that run like shit. For whatever reasons the 3D models melt my CPU and makes the loading maps endless. The Throne room DLC worsened the situation even more.
@lucasmilone5902
8 ай бұрын
This might be an unpopular opinion, but I much prefer that Paradox focus on giving a lot more detail and depth to the start dates we already have, instead of giving us more of them that are extremely shallow, as some sections of the map already are in our current start dates. Quality over quantity.
@marcelodcs1
8 ай бұрын
Im waiting for the ck3 Reaper's Due incarnation
@BulldogLawyer
9 ай бұрын
After the End Fan Fork?
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
After the End?
@deadface7748
9 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomatotis a mod set in a feudal post-collapse North America, Caribbean, and Venezuela/Colombia/Guyana. It's pretty fun mixing medieval politics with a different map and different cultures and religions. Not to mention the pop-culture references. I don't know if its in CKIII or not
@Soul_Tomato
9 ай бұрын
@@deadface7748 oh interesting. I'll have to look into it
@mistjor
9 ай бұрын
@@deadface7748I bring good news, there is In fact a mod for CK3, made by the same team I believe, It's been a few months since I checked it out and last time I did it was in early development, but it looks very promising (also, they've expanded the map to include all of the Americas)
@BulldogLawyer
9 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato it is a wonderful mod for CKII that the team is bringing to CK3. It showcases the Americas in the future after some enigmatic apocalyptic event.
@incognito-px3dz
8 ай бұрын
MAA are still completely broken. Once you stack some modifiers you have irl space marines. Also MAA dont scale on empire size or wealth which is bonkers, they scale on ''title'. This is a problem because 2 tiny kingdoms are far-far more powerful than a world spanning empire as they get almost double the MAA. Also everyone late game just has unlimited money
@Soul_Tomato
8 ай бұрын
I actually hate the MAA system too
@sinister3821
8 ай бұрын
i think the most anoying thing with not just ck but paradox in general they love to charge so much for so little my first paradox game was ck3 on launch i kinda liked it and now 3 years later i realy like so a few months ago i was going to get ck2 and i was seeing some pepole say that you need the dlc to have the game be fun witch i disagree with though it largely improves the game so i check on steam and it was all on sail so i checked the prices with all dlc on sale %50 off it was £117 and i thought pepole prase this game so much but for a new person like me it is horrable if it wasnt on sail it would have been £234 for a ten year old game and it put me off buying it complety but i tried the free version and it was decent but i was curios on what the diffrence is all dlc vs no dlc so i got a "legal" version with all dlcs and my experiance was so much better and i thought why woutd i spend £200 on 10 year old game when i could get it for free in 2 min im not saying piracy is good just with their prices i bet they have a very high piracy rate but i did spend money for all the dlc for ck3 and felt like i was playing a diffrent game i shouldnt have to pay £42 and then have to pay another £65 pounds with the dlc on sale it just feels like a scam dlc should add to your game not change the game in my opinion. - sorry for spelling mistakes im tired and cba to go back and change it.
@Soul_Tomato
8 ай бұрын
I think the price point is a huge issue. It’s the same thing people harp on CA for with the total war series and yet I don’t see nearly as many people going after Paradox
@Ma1q444
8 ай бұрын
It’s unacceptable that a new game had less content than the old game.
@TommyCol31
8 ай бұрын
The problem is that Ck3 was not released in 2012. CK3 is a sequel, not a re-release. They have had 9.5 years of active development on CK2 only to forget everything they added over the years, they have released another barebones game in order to sell us the same DLC we bought 10 years ago? I honestly don’t think it’s excusable, the majority of features from CK2 should have been in CK3 from release. The first 3 years of expansions should have been all new stuff, not ‘kinda’ reimplementing old stuff.
@Soul_Tomato
8 ай бұрын
That’s a fair take but a lot of the base features of CK2s DLCs ARE in CK3, it’s just that a lot more are puzzlingly not. Personally I still prefer CK3 as a base package.
@TommyCol31
8 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato honestly perhaps my comment is a bit too harsh as I haven’t really given it a fair shake for a while. I was just so disappointed at release that it completely soured the taste. Coupled with how Paradox handled Imperator I had lost faith. Maybe I should pick it back up soon and give it a chance!
@Soul_Tomato
8 ай бұрын
@@TommyCol31 I've heard Imperator had a lot of promise, it's a shame that they dropped it so fast.
@Skiddla
8 ай бұрын
in regards to vicy 3, for me that game is dead on arrival. the core gameplay loop is maximize income, queue up the construction. stellaris looks nothing like release, so there is still hope, but really imo the only hope is to really gut it.
@ItIsYouAreNotYour
8 ай бұрын
Republicans, battles, and a really indepth intrigue system are my 3. Everything is so broad and generalized.
@leofwulf268
8 ай бұрын
I love ck2 but man the fucking over reliance on rng to make up the game "difficult" is just asinine I reloaded an ironman savegame twice because my character randomly got cancer since the game thought it was too good to have a long life
@ennou1236
4 ай бұрын
Why not comparing base ck2 to base ck3 next?
@Soul_Tomato
4 ай бұрын
CK3 would handily win that tbf. Base CK2 was pretty bare bones.
@ennou1236
4 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato then how about ck3 current years old vs ck2 when it was at the same age, like more than comparing the game, comparing how their "development cycle " changed with the debs getting more "experience"
@Soul_Tomato
4 ай бұрын
Hmmm not a bad idea
@roach590
4 ай бұрын
I just really hate how all the troops of your vast empire are magically assembled at your gathering point. This isn't even only about balance, I really liked the feeling of gathering the troops of all your provinces and vassals, it is extremely boring in ck3. The warfare sucks in general imo. I hate the magically appearing ships, I hate how quickly manpower replenishes, I hate the man at arms system compared to retinue troops, I hate the removal of flanks. I hate how you can't raise specific local armies down to the barony level. I hate how there is no distinction between demesne levies and vassal levies. I hate how all building give you the same "levy" troop instead of distinct troop types. I hate so many things about it.
@Soul_Tomato
4 ай бұрын
This is all fair. The entire war system is pretty not great.
@henrisummers6694
8 ай бұрын
If Ck3 had of released without adding previous things that were already present in Ck2 it would have been a colossal failure and obvious cash grab, so I don't really think it counts as a positive for them having these features at release because the alternate would have been egregious.
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