Me as male 30' working on the construction site as an electrical engineer. *hhhmm this polite lady make corset thing interesting*
@VicvicW
3 жыл бұрын
Fashion history is great! You should look more into it. I think we need more blokes looking into their side.
@kilianortmann9979
3 жыл бұрын
Mechanical engineer here, about to tight lace his safety boots. For real though, I'll probably never need to know any of this, but the passion in these videos is amazing and probably why I can't stop watching.
@Mira-yo4sh
3 жыл бұрын
It's the beauty that is the internet, where passion are shared. Sometimes for the good, sometimes bad, but now particularly, for the endearing watcher who's just happy to see one talk with such passion. Tl;dr: Internet very good
@ketrakrelek2347
3 жыл бұрын
i think there's a lot of parallels between clothing and other kinds of engineering, its designing stuff to use right? At least i see that as a civil engineer, I remember the first sewing pattern i saw and thought to myself hmmm this basically requires a similar skill set to understand as building plans. ditto with knitting patterns and writing code as well.
@fussyrenovator7551
3 жыл бұрын
The interweb heard you talking about hot lingerie and brought you here. It doesn’t get any better than this. Believe me.
@trappercreekd8622
3 жыл бұрын
Corset wearers always say corsets are fine, but nobody asks the corset if it is fine.
@AlexaFaie
3 жыл бұрын
I do! But then I have this habit of inadvertently personifying inanimate objects so am known to apologise to objects and ask if they are ok a lot. ROFL
@Rachel-lq9vl
3 жыл бұрын
@@AlexaFaie thats honestly the most wholesome thing i've heard all day
@tayet6875
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you😂
@frozenweevil4022
3 жыл бұрын
Inspirational
@pinkajou656
3 жыл бұрын
@@AlexaFaie that is amazing.
@robinhahnsopran
3 жыл бұрын
I'm an opera singer, and I breathe very, very deeply in cheap, modern, non-custom corsets for a living. I also have very curvy proportions, and a connective tissue disorder which means my ribs don't actually stay where they're supposed to be. This means it's very easy to move my ribs around inside my torso with an even slightly tightly-laced corset, so I squish down a lot at the waist without noticing that it's moved my ribs around until after I remove the garment. Tl;dr the cheap, modern corset boning that wants to lie so flat... really can't, and certainly not when I'm singing and inflating my upper ribcage so much to even further exaggerate the bend. I break modern corsets. All the time. Every time I wear a cheap, modern corset as a costume, the boning seems to go back to the costume department literally snapped in half in the boning channels, and the costumers who work with me a lot regularly tell me that they use my needing a corset as an excuse to re-bone the terrible modern corsets in their stock because "Robin broke the boning again". All this to say: I LOVE singing in corsets, and am now saving up to get myself a real, bespoke, supportive corset I can bring to the poor costumers instead of them continuously sacrificing their modern corsets to me. I know they wish they could give me historically accurate corsets, but that's not exactly where the higher-ups really let much of their budget go, given the audiences don't usually see them. I wear a ton of the not-comfortable ones for my job. By the time performances actually start again, I want a real, bespoke one I can bring to them instead. Tl;dr: it'll be better for EVERYONE - and this one will actually last longer than one show run!
@sottosopravoce
3 жыл бұрын
I'm a nerd for opera and SO glad you'll be getting a good corset. I once attended a lecture on corsetry by an academic and costumer for the opera who began research into the craft after a soprano was injured by a broken corset bone for the reasons you described. I now have a great deal of motherly concern for all opera singers and any other athletes who work in a corset.
@PonderingStudent
3 жыл бұрын
Doesn't moving your ribs where they shouldn't be, especially if you have a connective tissue disorder, risk long term damage? I'm not a medical professional, but I do know that the advice for people who have problems that mean they can hyper-extend is that you shouldn't do it, as it can stretch and damage muscles and put more strain on already weak connective tissue.
@iChillypepper
3 жыл бұрын
Talk to your employer please! You are risking permanent damage doing this when they can afford a bespoke corset for you!!!
@PonderingStudent
3 жыл бұрын
@@iChillypepper I second that. Tell them about your medical condition, that you feel you are risking both possible long-term damage and (should a broken bone happen to dig into your body) short-term injury and ask for a properly fitting corset. At least in my home (the UK, not sure about elsewhere), if the corset is a requirement of your job and you either have a medical condition that makes it hard for you to wear the one supplied and/or the one supplied is injuring you or is likely to do so in future, your employer would probably be legally obliged to provide you with an alternative. I am not a lawyer, but from my basic layman's knowledge, it would probably come under workplace health and safety (ie their duty of care as an employer to provide a safe working environment and appropriate equipment to their employees). Plus, as you have a connective tissue disorder, disability legislation might also apply. In the UK, if you have a disability or long-term health problem, your employer is obliged to make any "reasonable adjustments" you need in order to be able to do your job safely and effectively. A properly fitting corset sounds like a pretty reasonable adjustment to me.
@atlroxmysox98
3 жыл бұрын
I’m also an opera singer!!!! I’m a lyric and i ADORE singing in corsets. There is literally nothing better for posture, and i find it nice to have something i can breathe against, if that makes sense?
@Eienblog
3 жыл бұрын
So what Bernadette says is that Victorian clothing was more... inclusive in term of body shape than modern clothing. M, as a squishy person appreciate that.
@sunsetskye483
3 жыл бұрын
Clothes were tailored to fit the person, so they would fit much better. That’s a lot more expensive nowadays
@joshuagaither4866
2 жыл бұрын
@@sunsetskye483 plus back then practically everyone knew how to sew and such, today how many people you pass on the street do you think even know how to use a sewing machine? 👽👀
@Goldenheart_345
2 жыл бұрын
@@joshuagaither4866 In my defense I can hand-sew quite well, it's just sewing machines are expensive and my grandmother's needs to be fixed
@dippingout112
2 жыл бұрын
Yea! I want a really old corset cause my corset sucks and can't fit me at all... Like it was 15$ but still! But I need a good one...
@elirien4264
2 жыл бұрын
@@Goldenheart_345 I don't get along with sewing machines, but I can hand sew.
@izuizabela6613
3 жыл бұрын
As a THICC & busty perrson & a corset wearer from my early 20s to this day [34] I must admit we have great corsetry culture here in Poland... and we really put a pressure on educating people who want to join the wagon. I was given all the knowledge I might need, I was helped to find the right corset maker for my shapes, and by them - the right corset. Therefore I never had a corset that would cause me a pain, and I wear them more or less full day if I decide I feel like wearing a corset :-) As someone said in comments - it is not about modern vs historical - it is about well-made or not corset. I have several "off-the-rack" corsets from polish companies, that fit me well and cause no discomfort of whatsoever... but it is because 1. they are properly sewn and 2. I was given help to pick the right piece for me
@hayleymarse2853
3 жыл бұрын
Wow! You’re so lucky to live in Poland! I have to admit, that would be one of my top places to live
@izuizabela6613
3 жыл бұрын
@@hayleymarse2853 I may only assume you are from US or other third world country... because this is not a good place to live if you are not middle-aged white & straight man, also a catholic. Any other person has shit ton of crap to deal with
@melima_
3 жыл бұрын
Hiiii fellow busty person here, do you have a specific corset maker/brand you could recommend?
@hayleymarse2853
3 жыл бұрын
@@izuizabela6613 Well I am Catholic hence why I want to live there (not straight or male though). I think Poland is a beautiful country
@izuizabela6613
3 жыл бұрын
@@melima_ you can find one of our polish brands - Rebel Madness on Etsy! :) I love their corsets! From Polish seamstresses - I may recommend either Palina Karnei or Anna Mieszkowska from Absuynt - both have IG and FB pages. From US brands - Retrofollie and Timeless Trends.
@LucysCorsetry
3 жыл бұрын
I'm late - as per the usual - but thank you for this thoughtful comparison / analysis. Having put my body into a butt-ton (very scientific unit of quantity) of corsets, both OTR and custom, I agree with everything said here - especially the spectrum of relative comfort (and the subjectivity of comfort based on body size and compressibility). Regarding the modern overbust's pressure on your side-front rib causing discomfort, I recognize that corset as one that was very likely draped on a mannequin whose "rib cage" is laterally more narrow, and thicker along the sagittal plane. While the total rib circumference might have matched your own, the distribution in the panels was probably not anatomically designed. Speaking for myself - if a corset fits my wasp-waist dressform like a glove, it's not going to be a fun time for me (even though our general measurements are similar). Also thank you for the shoutout in the dooblydoo 🙊
@bernadettebanner
3 жыл бұрын
The Corset Queen has arrived! ♥️✨
@JessicaPandino
3 жыл бұрын
Oohh you know what, I never thought about this! I wore a long line strapless bra where I had that issue. I cut out the boning on the sides while at my sister's wedding because it was so painful. Got rid of the bra after that.
@robinthrush9672
3 жыл бұрын
A "butt" is a unit of volume. ~491 litres or 130 gallons.
@Fledhyris
2 жыл бұрын
I love butt-ton - it also sounds like button!
@KristineVike
3 жыл бұрын
I was SO distracted by the black shape moving in the background and it took me an embarrassingly long time to realise it was a reflection and *not* in fact another human that Bernadette was able to completely ignore with the lack of anxiety/performance skills of a pro. 😂😂😂
@bernadettebanner
3 жыл бұрын
😂😂 I wish!
@andioneal7567
3 жыл бұрын
Im so glad im not the only one. At first I thought it was a person, then I was like, no... it has to be an animal or something.
@ithildancer
3 жыл бұрын
Me: "Huh? Is that a leaf? Animal? Oooh, ghost??" *5 mins later* "Oh, it's a mirror."
@pyrotheevilplatypus
3 жыл бұрын
@@andioneal7567 I was trying to figure out why his little lordship was on a surface unsupervised!!!
@jenniealexxa
3 жыл бұрын
I thought it was a black cat at first.
@lenabreijer1311
3 жыл бұрын
I think the whole body shaming modern clothing issue compared to Victorian sewing manuals is created by mass production. Your Victorian dressmaker HAD to cater to her clientele if she was going make an income, modern manufacturers don't bother. They use a standard defined body shape which is considered attractive to create the clothing and their attitude is that if you don't fit it then you are not attractive and you need to modify your body. I have actually worked for garment manufacturers and that attitude is very much there because of the risk in the industry. Clothing is made almost 6 to 10 months before it get to the store. The designer gambles that the fashion they made is the in fashion. 2020 showed how very wrong they can be if reality gets in the way. Your body is fine. There is just no on the shelf clothing that you can afford and throw away after a year or two.
@stellao.7365
3 жыл бұрын
FAX!!
@miaschu8175
3 жыл бұрын
Great comment! KZitem isn't usually where I'd go for thoughtful analysis, but in Bernadette's btl comments, it's far more likely to be found. :)
@graciemaye6381
3 жыл бұрын
Yes the body dysmorphia, eating disorders, body shame and unhappiness of so many women in the US is very largely caused by off-the-rack fashion
@huldaliljeblad3611
3 жыл бұрын
If I may add to your analysis, mass produced garments was part of a democratisation process that made clothing affordable to everyone. It was good for the masses but bad for people with bodies which didn't fit the mold. I mean, a majority of women in the 19th century couldn't afford having dresses custom made. They mainly had very plain clothes, inherited and altered or sewn by themselves or a family member.
@lenabreijer1311
3 жыл бұрын
@@huldaliljeblad3611 yes that too. But it came at a big price for the people, mostly women and children, who worked in those factories. Unlike the Victorian dressmaker they didn't get anywhere near a living wage. Unionization helped a bit but the salaries were still low. My mother worked in them in the 50s and early 60s when ever dad was on strike. And then they moved overseas to get lower costs and now I can buy a dress at just a little higher priced then I was paying in the 70s when I bought a new car for $2000
@hazeeqsyahme
3 жыл бұрын
People often forget that when clothes are made to your body, it's almost like second skin.
@sherieffiong853
Жыл бұрын
Not always. My mom was an amazing seamstress. I grew up wearing clothes she made for me and mass produced clothes. She never made them skin tight. She had a lot of happy customers because their clothes were made to fit them well. And they always got comments on how good they looked wearing them.
@EmpressAdelaide
2 жыл бұрын
I gotta say: one of my best purchases when I was in my early 20's was ordering a bespoke corset. Sent in my unique measurements, paid a little extra because I carry a little extra in the booble area. I still have it and wear it over a decade later. Got it for cosplay, wore it under my wedding dress, still use it now for proper posture when I work. (Currently I work from home so I can put in on and off at will)
@ac7278
2 жыл бұрын
Where did you order it from?
@zvezdoblyat
2 жыл бұрын
@@ac7278 bespoke
@Hildegardvonblingin
3 жыл бұрын
I love the thoroughness and nuance! Bravo! 🎉 (Also I totally own a mass produced corset from my steampunk trash teen days)
@bernadettebanner
3 жыл бұрын
My life is so much more improved knowing that teenage steempunktrash Hildegard von Blingin existed
@katherinemorelle7115
3 жыл бұрын
Don’t we all? I recently gave mine to my teenage daughter. She was very appreciative.
@MissRedheadRapunzel
3 жыл бұрын
Another Hildegard sighting!!!
@juliameyer10313
3 жыл бұрын
I too have a few corsets from amazon, though I was (kinda still am) a full on goth. One of the ones sitting in the back of my closet literally had no shape whatsoever and most of the others were often too short, only put emphasis on the waist (created a very very sharp look and lots of indents on my skin), or were okay standing up and then murder weapons when I tried to sit down. I do want to try and make my own though....
@saymyname2417
3 жыл бұрын
A good deal of historical corsets *WERE* mass manufactured. Those still seem to have been better than cheap modern ones because the historical ones had an actual physical purpose to fulfill and not just look nice.
@amberandrews6692
3 жыл бұрын
I love the fact that you incorporated all of the information about how clothing was designed for different body types without shame and the fact that you actually talked to someone who has a larger body and who has experience with how corsets fit on her vs someone who is her size but doesn't fit the same clothes. I'd love to wear all of these vintage or historical clothes, but all I come across is clothing for slim people rather than people who are larger like myself.
@jlbeeen
3 жыл бұрын
The idea that clothes are made to fit one body type drove me to make my own clothes. My shoulders are too big, and my waist to hip ratio is smaller than most pants are made for. I've learned how to make things that fit specifically to me and the shape I want with costumes and stuff. But again, that fear of making things larger did get in my head for a while. It's actually been through watching drag queens that I decided to look at what shapes I get in my costumes other than just a padded bra.
@younce-davis952
2 жыл бұрын
Fast fashion makes clothing to not fit correctly. I have health issues and my proportions are weird so I am starting to make my own clothes as well. I am 5ft2in yet my proportions are long and I am very pear shaped.
@pippasanderson9153
2 жыл бұрын
I have large thighs but small hips and waist. Most pants don't fit that well.
@piercedsiren
2 жыл бұрын
Im not comfortable with making my own clothes but I sure would like to, considering all pants I buy, are too wide on my small waist and too long because I'm short and surprise, I still have thighs to support. Not to mention my complete absence of shoulders and being very flat chested, makes a majority of top not very flattering because they're not cut for - very small person with no shoulders or chest. Unless I shop in the kids section but then... Im afraid it's going to be a little too tight.
@pheart2381
Жыл бұрын
Shoulders too big according to whome?
@chastitymarks2185
3 жыл бұрын
We had this old lingerie shop in our town (sadly they are no longer in business😌). They used mass produced corsets as a base and customised them by exchanging the bones, altering seams and added padding. Those corsets did cost quite a lot, but they were worth it. I still have one of those customised corsets and I love it.
@Mokomis_
3 жыл бұрын
Ooh , I have 2 mass manufacture ones that were bought for costuming purposes and though I have worn one of them out and about for a whole day, getting into a car was problematic. Been wondering if I could replace the boning to get a better fit. This comment serves as excellent motivation, when I have time lol.
@mcwjes
3 жыл бұрын
Genius!
@PhantomStella
3 жыл бұрын
Wish I had a place near me like this!
@Mindy56743
3 жыл бұрын
The best part of the Victorian era clothing is that almost anyone could have the perfect body type. It was a shape not a size and you had many options to achieve that shape. Now it is a size and if your gene pool is not the best you are just stuck!
@MairaBay
3 жыл бұрын
As a petite, I agree 100%. If you are not normal or plus sized, there is almost nowhere to shop - not even the "size inclusive" stores.
@Mindy56743
3 жыл бұрын
@@MairaBay I have had 4 babies and am over 50 years old and nothing looks like it should. I am over weight and top heavy my hopes of finding something that makes me look good is not going to happen in the modern world. The styles of the Victorian era are ones that would allow of the imperfect to look beautiful. Padding and stays the cut and the form of the clothes makes the shape not just the imperfect body.
@butasimpleidiotwizard
3 жыл бұрын
It's still a shape too it's just literally a genetic lottery whether you can achieve it or not and if you can't you're expected to blame your body for that
@ravina6686
3 жыл бұрын
Plastic surgery!
@DonnyDunne
3 жыл бұрын
@@ravina6686 Why though? Why should people have to have surgery just to fit into some stupid vain image of beauty?
@jamesonstalanthasyu
3 жыл бұрын
I like the shoe analogy. Many shoes have like 4-8 sets of laces to tighten or loosen from the toes to ankles, you have to adjust where that shoe fits best. They all don't have to pulled tight.
@erinreynolds5897
Жыл бұрын
I remember using a Victorian corset (or at least a reproduction) for a pirate costume when I was 14. My mom wore it for her costume (and she still had it) and she found it uncomfortable while I found it very comfortable (we are definitely not the same shape and squish). At the same time, I found a cheap one at a resale store about a week ago (tried it on just for fun) and didn't like it (flat, no give, couldn't move much in it). So, I've experienced both. Now I know it's because of the bones are a major factor. The reproduction one I wore has curved bones and the mass produced one I wore had very flat bones (like a tube). It's amazing how much it makes a difference.
@pheart2381
Жыл бұрын
The cut can also affect comfort. Some corsets are actually cut to give the torso an hourglass shape when it is done up. Others have less hip gore and a narrower cut around the bust. I cant wear hourglass because I get big gaps top and bottom. Straighter cuts fit really well. Some websites actually have seperate sections for different body shapes.
@sofiaoutandabout
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent conversation points! It's easy to buy into the "all corsets are evil" camp when all you've experienced were the tubular fashion corsets, but equally easy to get into the "corsets are great" camp when all you've experienced were well-fitting corsets. The shoe analogy is particularly spot-on, and, I think, very illustrative and relatable to non-corset wearers. A well made high heel shoe will be more comfortable and provide better arch support than a cheap flat ballerina - but cheaply made, ill-fitting high heels usually are responsible for tainting the view of heels and even demonizing them to an extent. Noelle's commentary on body properties, and your comment on the different tailoring options of the past also bring to mind the old "enemy": mass manufacturing of garments is responsible for bringing about The Singular Body Shape. Not having our clothes constructed to our body's specificities managed, in quite a short time, to make society believe that it's the body that must conform to the clothes, and not the other way around.
@ragnkja
3 жыл бұрын
It has been shown many times that “the average person” (as well as “the average man” and “the average woman”) does not exist. Humans are just too varied for a “one size fits all” (or even a “one size fits most”) approach for anything that needs to conform to the body in multiple places at once. Even with a generous definition of “about average” it doesn’t take that many different measurements before the number of people who are “about average” in every way is zero.
@lucie4185
3 жыл бұрын
Noelle's point about her friend having the same measurements but completely different squish factor, is possibly the most valuable point in this video. I am struggling with my stays fitting and am going to look into Bernadette's resources to track down a solution.
@stephaniecowans3646
3 жыл бұрын
The shoe analogy had me immediately remember the video where Bernadette was helping to design a new American Duchess shoe and she mentioned how they construct the heel in a way to help balance the body /walking stance.
@verybarebones
3 жыл бұрын
And it also depends on the person. Some people cannot bear heels, no matter how well made they are (feet issues, disabilities), and nobody should be forced to wear them, no matter how formal the occasion. Same goes for corsets.
@charischannah
3 жыл бұрын
My dressmaker insisted I wear a long-line bra, which is not unlike a corset, but less adjustable, under my wedding gown. I did not like the thing, it was always awkward and uncomfortable. Now I'm most of the way through making a set of 18th-century stays, I've tried them on, and other than a couple fit tweaks that need to be done, they were actually comfortable. Makes a difference.
@jayc9345
3 жыл бұрын
Like most things, it's not a matter of the whole of the thing being good or bad, but rather what an individual defines as good or bad for themselves. Now if only we could get over this pesky habit of trying to dictate the lives, needs, and preferences of other individuals based on our personal standards that probably are not applicable to THEM as individuals, maybe we could make some progress as a society. Alas.
@bernadettebanner
3 жыл бұрын
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@944gemma
3 жыл бұрын
Very well said.
@bknesheim
3 жыл бұрын
This would be a good thing at any level of human interaction.
@goshujinsama666
3 жыл бұрын
Facts
@DylanRomanov
3 жыл бұрын
Right like some people like to get tattoos which are painful to some people. We have the right to determine our level of comfort.
@abbyhawkes2844
3 жыл бұрын
I thought what was said about tight fitting clothing and the average person in relation to corsetry to be very accurate. As a dancer, and generally tall person, I have worn tight clothing often throughout my life and find it quite comfortable because it is something I'm used to, thus when a corset-like bodice was part of our costuming for a show my fellow dancers and I thought nothing of it because if anything the support gave us less work to do, rather than more.
@evilinc333
3 жыл бұрын
The whole shoe metaphor about corsetry to me as a dancer. This is quite niched but in the world of pointe shoes there are quite a lot of different fits, styles, softnesses (etc), and you have to find the one that fits your foot for safety and comfort (actually that one is debatable, but the point stands).
@Emma-kf2kj
3 жыл бұрын
Me, a climber and former ballet dancer, buying (beginners) climbing shoes: Shop assistant: "They have to be tight, like, really tight. Uncomfortably tight!" Me: "So I used to dance en pointe..." Shop assistant: "Ok, less tight. Erm, medium tight?"
@JadestonePony
3 жыл бұрын
Haha, the *point(e)* stands! Not sure if you intended a pun there, but I appreciate it still!
@laysaferreirasilva2146
3 жыл бұрын
Gaynor for life! I danced for 10+ years and developed a pain in my feet (idk how to explain, but it's for too much forcing on pointe shoes) and gaynor minden never failed me to be less painful!
@violincameos2464
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly! I went through two or three shoe brands trying to find the right pointe shoes, and the wild thing is, my left foot is a half-size bigger than my right, which meant I had to buy two different pairs of pointe shoe once I found the shoe that was just right for me. (Which was helpful in the long run 'cause it meant I didn't have to buy shoes as often XD) Of course, once I did find the perfect shoe, I never switched since they fit my feet, lasted a while, and were the most comfortable ones I'd worn!
@marystonge1
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for being so open about your scoliosis. Also, I love how you talk about how corsets are like braces. Sharing your scoliosis story is inspiring for those of us who have been born with the same disease. I am now more inspired to make a corset that fits me better to wear under my dresses.
@JeleneVQ
3 жыл бұрын
I hope you do a part in the series about corsets for pregnant women back in era. Truly curious if they wore corsets or other counterparts of what maternity wear would be like.
@Lilithd3mon
3 жыл бұрын
This needs an up vote 👍🏻
@murdermonday8075
3 жыл бұрын
They actually did wear corsets while pregnant. The lower half of the laced corset was just loosened to accompany the ever growing bump. This was most down with front laced corsets and stays since there was little to no boning on top of the belly as it grew. Fun little fact I got from another 18th century fan
@moonlightviolinist
3 жыл бұрын
Specific pregnancy corsets were definitely a thing in the late Victorian era and later. My grandmother actually wrore a pregnancy corset in the 50s to help with hip/support issues, even though she never wore corsets when not pregnant.
@krystathirteenth4904
3 жыл бұрын
Never gave this a thought but this is such a cool idea to explore.
@MostBoringNameEver
3 жыл бұрын
This!!! This is what my question is. And breastfeeding.
@acecat2798
3 жыл бұрын
I did a project studying corsets' place in collective memory, and as a starting point for that I sent out a questionnaire to other people at my college trying to gauge their knowledge and impressions of corsets. One thing I asked was what words came to mind when they thought of corsets, and one responder said "stifling, empowering (modern), uncomfortable, attractive, a construct." Corsets are indeed literal and metaphorical constructs, but that stifling/empowering thing had me spiraling into "whaaa" on the double standard of women now=smart and empowered, women then=sheltered and weak. Like..? I get why wearing a corset openly can be a statement but the issue is so nuanced and the conclusion is so flat it was baffling. On the other hand it gave me the delightful zeugma and syllepsis, "Corsets shape bodies and the cultural understandings of gender."
@monalisamartian5472
3 жыл бұрын
As someone who wears big spiked platforms and corsets I vibed with this
@forestenrory
Жыл бұрын
Personally i'm too broke to afford a good corset, but i have autism and adhd and cause of sensory stuff (as well as aesthetic) i've always cinched my waist in really tight with belts and scarves, which is probably not always good for me, but i do very much crave the feeling of being squeezed in by a corset, so thick belts have always been a must for me and will be until (and after) i can afford a proper corset. However when i was younger my school tried to make me sit still (before i was diagnosed) by putting me in an incredibly tight corset-squeezer thing which made it really difficult for me to breathe, and refused to let me take it off for the whole trial lesson, which i despised
@AriallaMacAllister
3 жыл бұрын
This discussion was so well done. I love that you worked with Noelle to bring the whole "squishy person or not so squishy person" topic into this discussion. Just because you have identical or very similar measurements to another person doesn't mean that you can wear each other's clothes comfortably, and that goes even more for highly structured garments.
@LS-yj7be
3 жыл бұрын
You did a lovely job of addressing that fact that people are different diameters, are squishy in different places, and squish differently within a corset. Something that was not spoken about is differences in torso length. If a skirt or a jacket is too long they can usually be altered for a shorter body. But corsets can't be altered. And when making one from a pattern adjusting for a significantly longer or shorter torso is rather tricky. After trying multiple mock-ups and getting incredibly frustrated at my inability to make something that fit my body well it was a huge relief to find a corset maker who didn't balk at fitting someone over 6 feet tall. I have heard women around 5 feet tall complain of the same issue. If the corset is significantly the wrong length for the torso it is not only incredibly unflattering, but may very well cause issues with pressures being in the wrong places, as well.
@user-zm5tt9bq5u
3 жыл бұрын
Already at the first thirty seconds: THANK YOU!! Lately I have been equally annoyed with "corsets are perfect, great and there's absolutely no flaws in any form of any type historic clothing, modern clothes are evil" enthusiasts as I have been with "corsets are evil" folks in past.
@AlicedeTerre
3 жыл бұрын
I think it’s a strong reaction to how historical clothing are perceived in general, people naturally get pretty defensive, so I’m glad to see the discourse become more nuanced.
@MuseAndDionysus
3 жыл бұрын
I'm happy that you made this video because people will argue until they're blue in the face that modern corsets are the most awful things on the planet and historical garments are all perfect. I'm SO GLAD you made a point to say that there is and was always good AND bad.
@silverdragon1314
3 жыл бұрын
Stopping halfway through to comment about fit and "not everyone squishes the same way" I'm a big girl. I start at the largest size and work my way down at corset booths (conventions and faires). Every time a either had taken their measuring tape and used my waist measurement to hand me a corset size, taking me out will have 4-5 inches in the back when laced up. It closes fully. I have to drop at least two sizes. I am a big girl. With squish that wants me to be an hourglass shape. I look damned fine in my corsets because my body is more or less that shape under all the extra fluff. Not everyone is good lucky, but I am and I will rock to looks. =3
@aslinndhan
3 жыл бұрын
I think there is some hesitancy to costume or history bound for large size women because the "prettiest" costumes are ones for thinner women. Most patterns look too complex to upsize and it's just really expensive to buy the nicer fabrics in the amounts you need for upsized costuming. And it still happens today with modern clothes. Smaller size women have more choice and fabrics are prettier, larger size women are relegated to lesser choices with uglier and more drab fabrics. But, it is nice to see larger women into period costuming or doing history bounding.
@milu9099
3 жыл бұрын
Check out Lady Rebecca Fashions here on youtube, a costuming friend of Noelles. She does upsizing and talks about plus size strategies over all... and not too long ago she did a very brave corset special measuring herself in every different style of corset she owned to show us what they do to a squishy plus sized women. It was a follow up to Nicole Rudolp doing that to show what a modern and not-very-squishy athletic bodytype in historical corsets... both women shows how corsets is all about shaping and not about shrinking the body, very educational!
@iorethofgondor
3 жыл бұрын
That was one reason why I some 35 years back began to sew some of my clothing. Nice clothes in my xx size already then simply were not available in blue or nice blue patterns ...
@bethanyday3471
3 жыл бұрын
Maybe for historical patterns but have you been out to the shops or the internet clothing shops? Every thing in your average shops goes up to like 3-4xl or size US 18-20. The only exception is designer clothes (Chanel, Gucci, Prada etc). Like Wal-Mart's clothing size has increased so much that their size Small fits a women who wears a size 8-10. Like the fact that we as a human species have gotten so morbidly obese that people think S-3XL is not a large enough size range is just....its just ridiculous.
@aslinndhan
3 жыл бұрын
@@bethanyday3471 I am not sure where you are shopping but that's not true. If anything, they cut all clothes too small, even clothes meant for xl and up.
@NowCovering
3 жыл бұрын
@@aslinndhan I am a pear-shaped US 4-6 and (in tops at least) regularly fit into fast-fashion extra-small, so no, Bethany is not exaggerating.
@Golybis
3 жыл бұрын
You summarized our whole world, I guess. If you do it historically, do it 100% correct. If you do it modern, no history, please. If people could understand that having those two together is not witchcraft... that would be great.
@MelDaltonMusic
3 жыл бұрын
Since I started watching your channel I've definitely started feeling better about my own body and am getting ideas for how I can dress my flesh vessel in a way that makes it more appealing to me. The lightning bolt of epiphany when I realized that clothes can be layered to change a body's appearance... Maybe I'm late to the party on that one, but at least I'm here now!
@pyreflei
2 жыл бұрын
Extra love for including commentary directed toward the plus-sized community! "The more fleshy-sized person is actually the person who's going to get the most benefit out of a corset." !!!!!!!
@navyatg5959
3 жыл бұрын
You know very well I will now be referring to myself as 'squishy' instead of 'not thin'
@rejoyce318
3 жыл бұрын
I prefer "fluffy," but I totally hear you!
@althea8713
3 жыл бұрын
The production quality of this video is so professional! It's like watching a documentary instead of a KZitem video. Bravo, Bernadette!
@MomsMakingHistory
3 жыл бұрын
“I like tacos. There’s no way I’m not going to have snack room in my corset.” I relate to this on a very personal level 🙌🙌
@ragnkja
3 жыл бұрын
A fashion corset may get away with not having snack room, but a functional one has to have enough space for dinner.
@anonymousfellow8879
3 жыл бұрын
yeah that was a major turnoff with a toxic pro-corset video-if an already thin woman can’t eat all of her already small portion and has how she can move and breathe dictated-with it NOT too tight? Apparently? But, that aside (assuming it was the style and her not leaving enough room for her digestive and breathing muscles to function fully)...I’m still gonna Hard Pass with corsets. My skin literally breaks out from layers in winter and sweat in summer and just flatout wearing a shirt period. (And, too many layers make me overheat and hello migraines...) Which, if they work for other women, fantastic. Just doesn’t seem like it’ll ever be something For Me without a specialized wardrobe (the shape does show under clothes actually), in a much colder-in-summer climate, and with every layer being breathable.
@dees3179
3 жыл бұрын
How unbelievably extra is that couch? ! And congratulations Bernadette on being somewhere large enough for such a beast.
@bernadettebanner
3 жыл бұрын
hah yes I thank my landlord for not wanting to get rid of it before I moved in. 🙃
@rbl4112
3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, though I don’t usually wear tight fitting clothing, doing it kinda makes me feel like I’m being hugged. It’s nice.
@lajoyous1568
3 жыл бұрын
As long as it's a hug and not a death grip. 🙃
@SugiyamaHiromin
3 жыл бұрын
I find that whole yes, big oversized hoodies are cute and comfy for the cold windy days, when I wear a corset or stays that fit I get a sense of mental comfort. I currently have self-made 2 "classic" corsets, 1 pair of regency short stays and 1 pair of 1780s stays in the making, and most of the time I forget I have them on. Plus I get 2 hidden layers of clothing to protect against cold and a constant "do not slouch" signal, which helps when your grandma loves to nag you about properly covering your back and posture.
@ah5721
3 жыл бұрын
Thats what I like about a good fitting corset . It feels like a hug that pushes my tiny Nike swish boobs up 😆
@ForeverLumoz
3 жыл бұрын
“Not everyone squishes the same way” - my new favourite quote 🥰😂👌🏻
@laurenragle5228
3 жыл бұрын
I love the shoe comparison. It also makes me think of bras. Not all styles of bras (or even brands of bras) will fit people how "they should". There are different types, styles, and sizes just like there are different types, styles, and sizes of shoes (and, of course, corsets).
@coverspadeavacado381
3 жыл бұрын
I desire the posture I lack due to my admittedly slumped lifestyle. I believe I should not be experiencing back pain at the ripe age of 19 merely because my art demands slouching of me. This is why I’m interested in corseting.
@margaretkaraba8161
3 жыл бұрын
You might want to spend some money/time on seeing a **good** chiropractor or osteopath to get your back adjusted before going the corsetry route - some spinal problems can be easily adjusted - and you can still buy a corset to help.
@gaildahlas
3 жыл бұрын
Yup, am the same. I'm also 19 and completely aware of my bad posture but I *need* to bend over my desk to do my uni coursework/other unrelated art projects. Buying/making a well-fitting corset would be great. It's not so much about seeing someone to help with my spine as fixing my posture before it causes more serious issues than muscle aches and pains.
@DodiTov
3 жыл бұрын
Ladies, you might consider an off the shelf back brace. It is adjustable, lightweight, and (in my experience) forces you to bend at the hip rather than at the waist. It also makes you conscious of "the slump" because of the fastening at the waist rather than further down...such as lower cut slacks. It's not designed to be a medical device, it's a "helper" garment for back pain. They run about $15-20 US at big box stores.
@snazzypazzy
3 жыл бұрын
From a medical standpoint, look into excercises that strengthen your inner abdominal muscles. Often they are relatively weak, meaning that the back muscles are doing all the work and they are not happy about it. This often results in a hollow back if you're standing up straight. Also check if you have shortening in the muscles that lift the legs, this is also really common and tilts the pelvic forward. This is fixable with stretching. Chiropractors don't fix the underlying issue and osteopaths are non-scientific money pits. Please see a good physiotherapist instead, one that works according to scientifically proven methods. I've had back pain for decades and since I've been doing both of these things I've been so much better.
@torimurphy3406
3 жыл бұрын
I'm with you girl!!! I'm a top-heavy person and also an artist. Good bras are hard to find and cost a fortune, (which corsets will too, but I think they'd last longer) and I've had back pain since my mid-teens (now 21). After watching Way to many of these videos I'm convinced a corset would be good for me.
@rashmiphillips7965
3 жыл бұрын
this was such a motivation boost for me. been going through a bit of a rough patch and haven't done any sewing for about a month and half (vs beforehand when i was sewing 2 things basically every month), and after watching this video i had so much motivation to work on the 1860s corset reconstruction project i've been wanting to do for years!!
@catmiller898
3 жыл бұрын
For my college western civilization class I chose todo a project on clothing styles through the 1800s to 1919. I have a specific talking point of corsetry and this video has given me some information that might help me to inform my classmates about the reality of historical corsetry.
@LaviniaDeMortalium
3 жыл бұрын
Bernadette "thanks for coming to my TedTalk" Banner strikes again
@mouhitorinoboku9655
3 жыл бұрын
I use corset story's corsets, i find them very comfortable and i've recommended them to people a lot. my mom is starting to wear their corsets too, which are spiral steel boning, the thickness and stiffness of which vary depending on the type of corset you go for, i wear the lighter mesh type for under my work clothes and they've helped my back a lot via improving my posture and because i wear them alot(almost everyday) they've also helped me to loose weight which has helped my knees too. for some added info, i'm 5' 8", 154 lbs and have a lot of harder 'muscle weight' like your friend Noelle described but it's mostly centered around my shoulders and hips, meaning i get a classic hourglass when wearing my corset, other peoples results may very.
@reneewittman3294
3 жыл бұрын
Cat and Raven Designs made you a soap! It's a 'Bernadette Banner inspired' soap, and it's inspired by your shoes. They do soaps based on their favorite KZitemrs. You'll want to reach out to them and see how they can ship it to you. :)
@booksnstitches3271
3 жыл бұрын
Personally, I credit Dita Von Teese for a lot of my earlier corset understanding, in the days before I ever knew about historical costuming. So like, even modern pro corset wearers know this stuff. Her corset wearing comes up in tons of her interviews and she'd always been honest that different bodies need different things from corsets, and that getting a tailored corset is always the best option if you can afford to, or at the least go to a specialty retailer. She makes your shoe analogy too! That wearing a corset is like wearing a pair of high heels, uncomfortable but manageable.
@rosecardew7063
Жыл бұрын
I’ve been watching this channel for maybe 6 years and it’s probably why I’m obsessed with historical fashion, and I finally got a corset! It doesn’t quite fit me, but it’s sort of a try out. Much more comfortable than a bra.
@gwynaethbranwynn
3 жыл бұрын
"I'm of the opinion that bustle dresses can make anyone look bangin!" My favorite line❣
@lunalily2833
3 жыл бұрын
I have a set of scanned sewing guides from the early 1920s and there are no measurements just algebra. Also as a person with E tibbys they really help with my hella back pain (not helped by my hEDS)
@Sky-ht6tv
8 ай бұрын
I’m starting out in high school tech theater, and I’m really hoping to be like one of the seniors that graduated last year. She was our core costumer. Our school doesn’t assign permanent roles and everybody tries everything during class (we are assigned to ons of our strong suits for all plays and something new for all musicals), but this girl was so good at costuming that she was basically always chosen to be the costume “lead” (what we call the head(s) of the department). In fact, after she left three people had to take her role for the play and four for our musical. This channels has been really helpful for me in that process!
@slowerpicker
3 жыл бұрын
That was a lovely and instructive section on Victorian acceptance of different body shapes and planning for it without judgement.
@katanah3195
2 жыл бұрын
I feel like, especially in the realm of clothing and fashion, the Victorians were actually more progressive than us, in a lot of ways that too many of us will never really know or understand. Back then the fashionable silhouette was about tailoring one's clothing to match the fashionable proportions and pad smaller bits out, now it's about making your body fit the clothes and feeling bad if you don't fit. We need to go back to understanding every body is different and as a society being comfortable with that.
@misseddetail
3 жыл бұрын
“Snack room in my corsets” is a great quote oh my god. almost sounds like a lyric or a something.
@tanvikhare9710
3 жыл бұрын
It really does
@zhoradaiyu5184
3 жыл бұрын
I got a corset when I was about 13 or 14 years old. I bought it in a boutique (?) which specifically sold corsets and other victorian steampunk accessoires. When I say I bought it, I mean I got my parents to buy it. We first saw it at a stand at a fantasy fair, but they didnt have it in my size. But I was so happy in it, that my father was convinced. We went to the other side of the country to the boutique (which means 3 hour drive in my small ass european country) and got the corset. We still go to the fairs and my entire family dresses up. It is (faux?) Leather and it has some boning. It is underbust and meant to be worn on the outside. I love wearing it. The people at the shop showed us how to lace it, and it is fine to wear entire days. Anyone of my friends who I've let wear it says it's surprisingly comfortable. You just have to move your breathing to your chest instead of your stomach a little more.
@peterchen8868
3 жыл бұрын
It is very encouraging to see comments from lady engineers.
@Hotaru1998
3 жыл бұрын
as someone who is a literal size 2, i find corset as a support rather than making my waist smaller and when her friend explained the benefits works better with someone squishy, i literally went :000 u right
@Hello-no7ho
2 жыл бұрын
I love history and everything to do with it and I just bought Chemise and a white corset from Amazon You inspire me that one day I will get something more historically accurate because I am also a teenager right now
@alhambralions5985
3 жыл бұрын
I wish to live in a world with copious skilled tailors, and endless clients who respect and support them. And an economic scenario where we can afford to do that. Yes... I usually don my rose-coloured glasses before the corset.
@ottofox6340
3 жыл бұрын
You're so good at making this incredibly interesting and engaging. This feels so much like I'm watching it right off the History Channel.
@DivineKnight_115
3 жыл бұрын
i just got a custom made victorian style jacket w/tails and looks pretty fashionable and delved back into the steampunk genre and discovered this, so pretty cool learning historical context that like clothes today a corset was just another thing you wore...
@IonIsFalling7217
3 жыл бұрын
“Society today wants you to make everything you have smaller.” Yup, even our personalities.
@verybarebones
3 жыл бұрын
Idk where you live that bras are sold without padding and asses are preferred small?
@emmao6578
3 жыл бұрын
@@verybarebones Exactly, society wanting "everything" to be smaller seemed like a bit of an odd statement to make in a video that's main point was to avoid absolutes and over generalisation. And considering current beauty ideals are still based on a kim kardashian like figure it's just not true.
@claireindigo1200
3 жыл бұрын
Not everything
@fantasionista
3 жыл бұрын
Oh and in the past society was surely more forgiving and tolerant to people 🤨What is this take even...
@randomtinypotatocried
3 жыл бұрын
@@verybarebones You mean the 90s because I recall for a time they did do that?
@Chibihugs
3 жыл бұрын
So essentially, corsets are neither all good or bad. There are differences in the purpose and look of them based on the goals of the person. Perhaps someone want size reduction, or support, or comfort or a specific outfit and corsets ranged to accommodate. The way we do with modern underwear or shoes, we should definitely keep that in mind going forward for sure.
@username00009
3 жыл бұрын
I’d love to see a fourth installment in this series, going into more detail on stealthing while wearing modern clothing.
@miaschu8175
3 жыл бұрын
You just need a corset that is sleek enough to not be seen through clothing. So, no extra flounces and bows, and if it flairs out at the bottom, it might show under tight clothing. Similarly, the lace at the back shouldn't be too bulky.
@MelodyLovelace
3 жыл бұрын
Okay, so I recently made my first corset and used a modern pattern because I wasn't planning on wearing it with Victorian-style clothing. But I was really disappointed that I couldn't get much waist-reduction and didn't get the hourglass shape. Now I wish I'd used a Victorian pattern, because Noelle is right, I'm a small person without much squish and of course I wasn't going to get the right shape! I hate that I felt bad about my body type when I literally can't change that. Historical tailors really knew what they were doing, and next time I make a corset, I think I'll use a historical pattern and just add padding like they would have.
@crabaddy
3 жыл бұрын
leaving this here bc there’re a lot of corset wearers in the comments: i have a rib deformity that causes my floating ribs to flare unevenly. besides looking dumb and making me self conscious, wearing tight bands (like most sports bras) causes annoying pain for hours afterwards. i’ve been thinking about trying to get a corset and wearing it daily, bc ive seen people saying corsets can correct flared ribs, but a) even though of course i’ll ask my doctor, my doctor may not know anything about medical corsetry b) if it doesn’t work and just puts me in a ton of pain i don’t want to shell out possibly $200+ for a bespoke corset. anyone with a similar experience, or advice?? i think a structured garment would bother me less than just squeezing like most bras, but i’ve never tried
@bernadettebanner
3 жыл бұрын
boost 🙂
@ragnkja
3 жыл бұрын
+
@AlexaFaie
3 жыл бұрын
If you are wanting it to be a corset for bust support, you're unlikely to find anything other than custom which would work well with a rib flare just due to the models available on the market and how they are shaped - they tend to be quite conical through the ribs which whilst it can work to help reposition ribs (for the duration of wearing the corset and shortly afterwards, but is not a permanent change) I've personally found with my own rib flaring (immediately outwards just below the IMF so just below where the wire of a bra would sit - so not the floating ribs, those ones are lower and at the back/side, not front and shouldn't be affected by a bra band) that sort of shape just led to pressure points which were painful in the worst offenders and just uncomfortable in a bad way in the best. There are a lot more options out there for underbust corsets and those you could have some luck with depending on your measurements and where exactly the rib flare is. I personally now wear corsets which have a cupped rib shape which supports the ribs but doesn't actually move them much, or at least not in a way which is uncomfortable or noticeable out of the corset. I did used to like the idea of being able to reshape my ribs a bit to have a more conical shape rather than at one point them looking like a second set of boobs on my chest, but it turns out it just didn't work for me, so I now work with my body rather than trying to fight it. There is no reason why you couldn't try a corset from a reputable brand with a decent returns policy to see how it might work for you, or not work for you. If you want some advice regarding sizes/brands to try I'm happy to help out to see if there is something out there for you just just try to see how you get on. It wouldn't take very long to notice any discomfort even just trying the corset on if its going to be bad, at which point you just remove the corset and return it. I think its a pretty good place to start anyway because there are a lot of things you don't know prior to wearing a corset for the first time and even a not so great fitting corset can tell you a lot of things about your body and your needs which can then inform you going forward as to what to ask for in something made specifically for your body. I also learned over the years that the first custom corset won't necessarily be the perfect fit for the same reasons. And that if you can get an in person fitting, that is the best thing possible. I can tell (from my years of experience) that had I been able to have fittings with the first corsetiere I worked with, we'd have noticed the issues and the finished corset would have fitted way better than it did. With my most recent custom which had the fitting, I learned that I need a shorter busk at the front, but can have a bit longer length at the princess seam (which is roughly where my rib flare is) because that length curves around said flare and in the end fits me if you measure vertically, even though its longer following the body contours (if that makes sense, I'm probably describing it badly). But the busk length is non-negotiable for comfort as if it comes up too high it is too uncomfortable on my sternum and higher than that it hits breast tissue (I have a thin layer of breast tissue joining my boobs, but also very close set boobs so there isn't actually space for a busk to fit properly higher up). Trying on the corset in my profile picture here (by Sparklewren who made my custom I had fittings for) actually clued us into that as though its an overbust, the busk ends lower due to the deep plunge shape. Anyway.... went off a bit there. TL;DR: There are some decent off the rack corsets I could recommend if you can provide me with extra details, I'd recommend trying those first since you would most likely be able to tell if corset wearing is for you or not, and can then work out what you'd need from a custom which you'd most likely need for proper rib reshaping or bust support needs.
@eashimi
2 жыл бұрын
Idk how I'm here however I'm glad because I find her knowledge of corsets paired with her well spoken, soft, and crisp voice so attractive.
@thornprick2645
3 жыл бұрын
ohhh that's so interesting. That the bust was often supposed to have more room and that the silhouette can be filled out by other means. So fun!
@veritygazzard7210
3 жыл бұрын
The way to calculate my love for Bernadette Banner: How fast I clicked on this video multiplied by how many times I have checked KZitem in the past week multiplied by one billion
@bernadettebanner
3 жыл бұрын
😭
@raeward8092
3 жыл бұрын
Similar! I’ve been checking daily even though I know that any video Bernadette bestows upon the public is only going to appear on a Saturday...
@thnecromaniac
3 жыл бұрын
watching this, i keeped thingking of Aurelio Volaire's song, "The Industrial Revolution (and How it Ruined my Life)" and how it fits here perfectly :/
@historiansrevolt4333
3 жыл бұрын
Such an important discussion. I especially appreciate Noelle's input about sizes and shapes effect. I just wish it was easier for us getting into this to figure out what types are most likely to be comfortable!
@bernadettebanner
3 жыл бұрын
You can get a foundational assessment at least of some basics (how much reduction you might be able to achieve and how comfortable you are in tight garments) just through your day-to-day clothing experience! Do tight waistbands bother you? Are you able to wear fashion belts at your waist and pull them in tightly? If you're not so keen on tightness at the middle, have a firmer core or have a waist measurement larger than your bust or hip measurement, you may be more comfortable in a corset designed less for reduction and more for support. :)
@susanbender2953
3 жыл бұрын
@@bernadettebanner thank you.
@learikosontcuit7129
3 жыл бұрын
As for modern clothing being more loose: I will disagree when it comes to pants. 2020 is bringing back more breathable pants but the 2010 slim fitting jean has been my nightmare for blood circulation
@verybarebones
3 жыл бұрын
But most of those were, at the very least, stretchy. 70s 100% cotton jeans are way less loose at the hip/waist than basically any leggings
@elvingearmasterirma7241
3 жыл бұрын
@@verybarebones And so we bring back Body shape.
@dahyimi2185
3 жыл бұрын
I have a few cheap mass-manufactured corsets which I found in mainstream fashionable underwear stores or in the underwear section of mainstream fashion stores. They were sold as underwear, but they don't look like lingerie: they have bright colours and pretty ornaments, so they can also be worn as a outer garment. Despite the low quality cut and materials, they are extremely comfortable! Some have the back panel made of elastic mesh, while everything else is quite rigid. Others are cotton fabric, rigid but not very thick, which gradually adapts to the wearers body. I always wore those corsets to art class, because they took so much load off my lower back I could stand for hours without feeling tired.
@mythierror404
3 жыл бұрын
I just got some corsets and they are so comfortable. I'm grateful to have obtained knowledge from you on the proper use and wear of corsets.
@rburns8083
3 жыл бұрын
A little off topic but I kinda loved the segue into the audible sponsorship.
@lyrablack8621
3 жыл бұрын
For me it was the "rabbit hole" part lmao
@Worldbuilder-o1k
3 жыл бұрын
I love the in depth look at corsetry and the difference between fashion and comfort and how those are both choices we knowingly make. (The shoe analogy was wonderful.) I also thought I would let you know that a pair of soap makers called Cat & Raven designs made a soap inspired by you and your channel and would like to know where they can send the bars they made to you as a gift!
@Dogsinnerwolf
3 жыл бұрын
Now to find a corset maker. Thank you for sharing your knowledge, I have been learning a lot to include removing clothes not made of natural fibers
@MariaHellerDesigns
3 жыл бұрын
This video gives me life! Thank you for making it! Thank you for including my little business on your list of Corset makers! So many of us are speaking up about corsets and their various uses for various people, and it's so good to have you, Bernadette, on the forefront! So many of us small independent designers have been saying for years and years that clothes should be made to fit your body and NOT the other way around! If you want a corset that has a *historical* purpose, PLEASE buy it from the people Bernadette mentioned, not from Ebay, Ali express and Amazon. If you want a MODERN corset to style it in a modern outfit while living your modern life, again, there are COUNTLESS independent designers who would be happy to make your dreams come true, no matter your dream. And if perchance, I am not the right designer to make your dream corset, trust me, I will recommend you another designer who could fulfill your dream. Because I know them and I admire them. Most of us small independent designers know each-other and support each other as often as possible. We talk between ourselves, we advise each other, we give each other kind words and support when we see that one of us is struggling or going through burnout. I have been struggling with mental health for a big chunk on 2020 and so many of my peers reached out with kindness and support... The world of making beautiful, high end, custom made garments it is must definitely not just about the money. We are all artists that have been honing our skills and our techniques for years, sometimes decades. At the end of the day, this is a labor of love for most of us and also our (sometimes only) way of making a living. If you want a masterpiece, you must find a an exceptional artist and pay the artist's price.
@bernadettebanner
3 жыл бұрын
♥️♥️♥️♥️
@lilina_who
3 жыл бұрын
I honestly consider getting one because I notice how bad my posture is sitting in front of a computer most of the day. I will keep all the advice given in my mind when searching for one.
@ilianabarrera5505
3 жыл бұрын
I guess is like bras, if you wear the adequate size and type, you will not feel uncomfortable using them.
@dorothybetit9498
3 жыл бұрын
I don't even know how I got here but I'm not mad about it... This was fascinating!
@LaHayeSaint
3 жыл бұрын
Bernadette banner is always a reliable authority on corsetry. I like her closing remarks, "Pay attention to the evidence, and then to question everything you see, and everything you are told, and everything you were made to believe." We should take note of these words of wisdom when governments apply then to the covid pandemic. Bernadette is always refreshing to listen to, and I come away having learnt a lot.
@elizaclem
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, we should all have our eyes open regarding covid. We wouldn't want another Trump situation whereas our citizens were placed in unsafe situations. The government exists for the people, with one main purpose to keep us safe! Biden is doing that, and Trump failed.
@jennifermoriarty2188
Жыл бұрын
@@elizaclem the USA government doesn't have the best interest of the people in mind
@jaimew.1842
3 жыл бұрын
I do feel like it's a bit of an overgeneralization to say "in history, clothing was mostly tight fitting" when that seems to mostly apply to 17th century (western) Europe and onwards (or even the 19th century in particular, given your example image). Certainly, the Georgians and the Victorians wore tight fitting clothing, but it was tight in a very different way even from pre-bodies/stays Medieval and Renaissance Europe, and different altogether from the clothing found in other parts of the world. I'm thinking both of the clothing of Classical Antiquity, but also Morgan Donner's recent(ish) video on the dress from Herjolfnses.
@beseggg
3 жыл бұрын
costubers are soooooo west-centric
@bernadettebanner
3 жыл бұрын
You're right, and that was poor wording on my part. As this video is focussing on corsetry primarily (as construction and shape start to differ in the realm of bodies and stays that complicate the comparison to modern corsetry), we're talking about the Victorian period in this video. And while, yes, there is no such thing as an 'always' in history--that we can't fairly claim *all* clothing was tight-fitting--the vast majority of photographs, extant garments, and portraits show garments that are fit snugly throughout pretty much the entire Victorian period, with examples spanning a range of classes. That's not to say that there weren't people then who detested tight fitting clothing, were in the habit of wearing older, looser styles, or lived in areas with regionally specific dress that wasn't tight-fitting in the manner of the general (English) stylistic trend of the time, but I think it is reasonable to assume that a vastly higher percentage of the population had regular daily experience wearing tight-fitting clothing and would therefore have no unfamiliar discomfort with it in the way that the majority of the population today would have. But yes, this is also the Western (in my case, English) assessment; things were certainly different in other parts of the world, but alas, this is the particular region of dress I have studied in depth and am qualified to speak on with any nuance. I would love to hear the perspectives of those whose area of study encapsulates different geographical regions.
@jaimew.1842
3 жыл бұрын
@@bernadettebanner Thank you so much for your thoughtful response ! Yeah, I suppose "in history [of cultures who wore corsets]" does make sense given the context of the video. I really appreciate your research and your taking the time to respond.
@yvechapman9342
3 жыл бұрын
Por ejemplo: I have had ridiculously comfortable platform spikes that I wore for hours at a time to the point that I wore them out (and sadly couldn't find a replacement as they were a Goodwill find) and I've had sneakers that almost broke the long bones in my foot.
@lochnessica25
3 жыл бұрын
Okay but can we get a historically accurate recreation of the steampunk victorian goth trash look? I would watch.
@maidende8280
2 жыл бұрын
Great vid! Hi from another corset wearer with severe scoliosis. I wasn’t braced while growing which is why I developed such a severe case of scoliosis. Thank god for tight well made underbusts that help relieve my pain!
@zizalka99
3 жыл бұрын
That rotating question mark is an amazing little touch
@ellissardorian7834
3 жыл бұрын
This is an excellent video to share with my friends who are buying modern corsets of why I insist on making my own.
@cutedarkarts
3 жыл бұрын
Yes!!! I ALWAYS say this whenever someone says “corsetry is fine and won’t hurt you”, it won’t hurt if you do it properly and safely. Modern corsetry (not all, but a good amount of it) is not as safe as historical corsetry, because it relies on squeezing the body more than adding padding. “Body shaping” using corsetry is a good way to hurt yourself. I would know, I’ve hurt myself with a modern corset more time than I want to admit. If you want to do corsetry, do your research and buy from a safe reputable corset maker!
@jordanrayne4779
3 жыл бұрын
Just wondering how does it hurt? Like i know it squeezes but what does it do? Like do your ribs get hurt or bruising or something?
@cutedarkarts
3 жыл бұрын
@@jordanrayne4779 yes, bruised ribs is a really common problem when you wear corsets incorrectly. Also, since modern corsetry (especially cheaper corsets) are made with much cheaper materials, those materials can degrade and cause harm. I’ve had instances where metal boned corsets just snap because they didn’t use proper metal boning, and it was too brittle, and it’s left me with some nasty bruises and pinch marks in the past, usually around the mid waist, the thinnest part with the most tension on it. And as for the last thing, modem corsets are made to constrict, which means certain over bust corsets can make it a bit harder to breathe, especially if you’re wearing the wrong size or laced it too tightly. If you want a modern corset, you really should save up for the more expensive ones because they tend to have the best and safest construction and usually have proper sizing guides.
@hilarydonaldson3358
3 жыл бұрын
my corset as an of the peg by Izabela Pitcher of Prior Attire and has been beautifully comfortable and supportive1,
@leviblevins513
3 жыл бұрын
I can watch Bernadette on mute with just the captions on and still hear her voice and perfect english cadence in my head.
@augustburning3045
3 жыл бұрын
Good discussion! I've been curious to see a comparison like this for a while now. I don't know what avenues are available to explore this sort of thing, but I am very curious about the range of corsetry in use on ye olde Hollywood film sets, particularly for the sort of period dramas playing fantastical with ye olde costuming. I suspect that the sort of corsets actresses are vocal about disliking may not be in the painstaking historical reproduction column!
@bernadettebanner
3 жыл бұрын
I'm curious about this too! I would be genuinely shocked though if a leading actress's corset wasn't custom made, so I'd wager that any discomfort complaints are either down to the costume makers not understanding corset construction (which would be shocking in a workroom that specialises in period costume, as some do), the actress just not being accustomed to the feel of tight fitting garments, or that the character requires a fashionable tight-laced silhouette in a sense that, while the character would be willing to put up with discomfort, the actress isn't. 😅
@margaretkaraba8161
3 жыл бұрын
After enough years of complaining in Hollywood/UK - I'm sure that a lot of cinematic/television costumers know how to make comfortable corsets. I'm convinced most of the "complaints" are for publicity for that movie/series - especially when a major star does it. ("Oh, that's the Movie/Series that she got hurt in - let's watch it).
@moniqueleigh
3 жыл бұрын
@@bernadettebanner What I hear from movie/TV costumers is that while they often make a corset correctly, the director wants something different (for aesthetics -- /staples hand to forehead/) or the dressers (folks helping actors get into costume) don't know how to put on historical corsets, and sometime end up tight-lacing something that's not supposed to be tight-laced or introducing some other oddness (like forgetting the layers below and above the corset). Add that with time constraints, the actors often don't get their costumes until the day of shooting, so they don't have time to get used to how different a corset feels or to "break in" the actual garments.
@rosemarycat5
2 жыл бұрын
Yes! Discussion of body type variation! It has always frustrated me with clothing because I have a large breast measurement, BUT it comes from having a broad back, not big boobs. And nothing is ever set up for that proportion. It wasn't until a sewing class in college that I even heard about that as a Thing. (My prof was a costume designer, and she was talking about how she had to get a new dress for an understudy despite the actor and understudy have the same measurements. The totals were the same, but the proportions were completely different.).
@auroradreamer6581
3 жыл бұрын
I've started wearing corsets daily because they are so much comfort than bras. Finally purchased a good quality decently expensive one and its defiently a new experience compared to my cheap ones 😅
@taquito5797
3 жыл бұрын
heyo, from a person who binds here. as long as your chest can expand as much as it does when your breathing with your stomach, it should be fine to wear corsets for a long period of time without damaging your ribcage and your lungs. just dont wear it 24/7 :)
@rachelboughen6317
3 жыл бұрын
It's lovely to see such a considered and open minded approach amongst all the polarised views. Beautiful video as always!
@headachesandhairdye
2 жыл бұрын
I bought an off-the-rack corset for my first one (a good one, from Timeless Trends) and it actually works very well as a fashion piece, but it is undeniably too tall for my very short torso. I'm still very glad I got it because it helped me figure that out! Now I know I need to adjust the height of any made-to-measure corset I make or order for it to fit me.
@EasilyDistractedPlanner
3 жыл бұрын
I used to have a mass market corset, but because I'm pretty much an hourglass shape, it was one that was under the bust and went over my hips, which definitely made things a lot more comfortable for me. I had a friend who was about the same size as me, and I tried on some of her corsets (she'd barely worn them, so they hadn't really taken on her shape yet, and we were both hourglass shaped), but while she had no problem wearing the ones that went over the bust, they did not work for me. I liked wearing my corset and could get it pretty tight without any discomfort for hours on end. Thank you so much for this video!
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