Timestamps that someone on the reddit post kindly made for us... Eidolon of Obstruction - 1:28 Heliod, Sun-Crowned - 4:03 Omen of the Sea - 6:55 Thassa, Deep Dwelling - 8:58 Thassa's Oracle - 11:51 Thirst for Meaning - 25:36 Storm Herald - 28:00 Underworld Breach - 30:32 Destiny Spinner - 35:19 Dryad of the Ilysian Grove - 40:06 Hyrax Tower Scout - 42:33 Mystic Repeal - 46:07 Nyxbloom Ancient - 48:29 Renata, called to the Hunt - 54:38 Mischievous Chimera - 57:02 Wavebreak Hippocamp - 57:17 Kunoros, Hound of Athreos - 1:06:31 Kroxa, Titan of Death's Hunger - 1:10:39 Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath - 1:14:48 Athreos, Shroud Veiled - 1:18:18 Whirlwind Denial - 1:21:20
@shinylapras7710
4 жыл бұрын
You forgot Aspect of Lamprey - 27:24
@LaboratoryManiacs
4 жыл бұрын
WHATS WRONG WITH YOUR FACE?!?!?! kzitem.info/news/bejne/l2iL4ICdnZRieoY
@ashra8281
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah there's this blue card that I've heard might be good. It's a 2 drop. It's a creature. I've heard some hype. It's interesting when it comes into play. Riptide turtle
@gates7831
4 жыл бұрын
It blocks Tymna!
@monowhite7989
4 жыл бұрын
Arcades Staple
@bigambitions9539
4 жыл бұрын
Flash bulk
@mth4456
4 жыл бұрын
I think one thing yall missed on Nxybloom Ancients is its applications with Grim and Bassalt Monolith. Reanimate it, tap either monolith for 9, then untap it for 3, infinite colorless mana. Still might not make it playable but it's a low mana combo if you reanimate the Nxybloom
@AndrewWoodford
4 жыл бұрын
Hooray! This is up so early!
@AlessandroAllegri
4 жыл бұрын
You don't need Kroxa on the battlefield to win with the Worldgorger combo. You just make infinite mana, you stop the combo and then you can just cast Kroxa, sac it to its effect and put it in the command zone, rinse and repeat.
@swiftdragonrider
4 жыл бұрын
love the review and the cast mixup. also glad to see you found the time to post.
@andrewmarinkovich8657
4 жыл бұрын
Great job, guys! Really appreciated the clear analysis and discussion you provided here. Hope to see you two do more of these set reviews in the future!
@baileynicholson251
4 жыл бұрын
Cameron taking about underworld breach. "In standard it lets you shock multiple times. In our format the interaction between lions eye diamond and wheel of Fortune effects. An example of differences in formats.
@gapeape3895
4 жыл бұрын
So uhh, do yall not post games anymore? Cause its been like 6 months.
@daltondee5666
4 жыл бұрын
I honestly wasn’t expecting this to come out yet. I’m glad it did cause it’s been a rough week. Thank you
@mativhs
4 жыл бұрын
About a possible Heliod deck: Ranger of Eos & Ranger-Captain of Eos can get Ballista too, so does Inventors' Fair (also gets Triskellion). Board the Weatherlight sees Ballista & Triskellion. Not THE greatest card but digging 5 cards deep in mono W for 2 cmc is not that bad. Military Bugeler lets you dig 4 cards deep and sees both Ballista & Triskellion (at 3 cmc it's quite bad though). If you end up with a bunch of rando creatures trading them all for a card each with Martyr's Cry (for 2cmc) could be an option too. There is always Top, Scroll Rack + Voltaic & Manifold Key too. (playing the keys Crystal Ball could be a boarderline option as well & the rocks get better so that might be ok too) SfM, Steelshapers Gift & Open the Armory all can get you Skullclamp for some draws so that could be a thing too. If one plays the two Rangers, Recruiter of the Guard & Bugeler they construct together the criteria of: Creature, 1 CmC or lower, power 2 or less, toughness 2 or less. So a small package of white creatures that fit this description and help with the gameplan like: Slavage Scout (to get Artifact back from graveyard), Benevolent Bodyguard (to protect the combo), Giant Killer (as bad removal), Weathered Wayfarer (to get usefull lands like Inventors' Fair), .... could be included as well. Those could be if drawn and not used, traded in for cards with Skullclamp or Martyr's Cry. You get Mana Tithe, Illumination, Lapse of Certainty (& Rebuff the Wicked) as counterspells. StP, Path, Disenchant, ... as removal. Silence effects with: Silence, Orim's Chant, Abeyance, Grand Abolisher,... . Teferis Protection & Angels Grace could help out against someone going off too. The deck could be quite playable I think. Though it clearly isn't Tier 1.
@NickOnFire1490
4 жыл бұрын
Instantly clicked that notification, can't wait to watch.
@itsTronBonne
4 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate the review - ordered a box, but hadn't really looked into the cards yet. Looking forward to drafting!
@blahxdx
4 жыл бұрын
Great video guys! Awesome in depth take on a lot of cards.
@kelm102
4 жыл бұрын
Hello, friendly Omnath player again. I'm super stoked for Nyxbloom Ancient. The ability to cheat it in through a myriad of different ways is really strong. I for one am looking forward to sacrificing Dryad Arbor to a Natural Order, or putting it and Eternal Witness in with Tooth and Nail, getting T&N back to my hand, and using my new found mana to go again and find combo pieces. I was initially concerned, based on what I had been seeing, that they wouldn't throw me a bone this time around like they have with the last few sets, but I'm glad to see I was mistaken.
@mrTjstephens1
4 жыл бұрын
Lurker "Nyx bloom amcent challege!" Cobblepot "Hold my beer!"
@MasterDecoy1W
4 жыл бұрын
For Storm Herald, if you get flickerform as one of the enchantments, you can exile him and all auras and get to keep them. This also allows you to reuse him if you mill further Auras.
@Investigamer
4 жыл бұрын
Excellent commentary as always guys, my personal favorite of the gods we've seen has to be Purphoros, kinda sad ya'll didn't touch on him but I guess he's probably nowhere near relevant for strictly "competitive" EDH... still super cool and cute though, and definitely competitive by casual/FNM standards.
@bonekill476
4 жыл бұрын
When I saw Flash Hulk and Heliod, I was given a challenge, so here's the idea: Grab Heliod, Ballista, Bond Beetle, and Metallic Mimic. Metallic Mimic names Construct and on enter, the beetle targets Ballista. All that is needed is to pay 1W with Heliod and target Ballista. 4 mana combo with many weak points.
@JonaxII
4 жыл бұрын
Does not work, when mimic and ballista enter at the same time, ballista does not get the counter yet, as the replacement effect from the mimic needs to be on board before the ballista enters To be applied to it. Would work with adaptive automaton, but then you need to double hulk
@impendio
4 жыл бұрын
Return to New Phyrexia SOON!
@benjaminabbott4705
4 жыл бұрын
Nyxbloom Ancient does notably go infinite with Grim Monolith & Basalt Monolith. I bet you could make a decent Tymna Thrasios deck based around Flash Rector Nyxbloom & Monoliths, especially if somehow Hulk get banned instead of Flash. & for Tasigur it does make Birds plus Freed a winning combo.
@WrekCreationL
4 жыл бұрын
"if somehow hulk gets banned instead of flash..." Me: ohpleaseohpleaseohplease
@orsettomorbido
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video! I've overlooked some cards from this set and I hope to pull the out of the boosters i'm going to open.
@Mr911superstar
4 жыл бұрын
Flash might be an ok ban but I think the biggest benefit to the rules committee deciding bans of wotc is they can ban the new card that breaks status quo where wotc will go out of their way to ban the old card to keep the packs flowing.
@brandonguthrie8122
4 жыл бұрын
Life from the Loamly I’ve heard plenty of cedh players who’ve wanted the flash/hulk ban for a long time. Flash need too go imo.
@Xeno-MTG
4 жыл бұрын
What I think is relevant with Underworld Breach is that when Yawg's Will is not countered you get all the value from it, but even when Breach is not countered it can still be destroyed while you try to go off.
@swiftdragonrider
4 жыл бұрын
That is negated if you have interaction in the yard some of the time
@Xeno-MTG
4 жыл бұрын
@@swiftdragonrider Right, it's not hopeless but it might still thwart your plans.
@ashra8281
4 жыл бұрын
@@swiftdragonrider yes but it's still something yags will doesn't have to deal with. Tbf it's more of an upside that it's an enchantment.
@Mr911superstar
4 жыл бұрын
Looks up nether void, oh, never mind then...
@bladeflesh
4 жыл бұрын
Yes! I was waiting for this!
@andrefrferreira
4 жыл бұрын
So, no talking on Siona?
@orsettomorbido
4 жыл бұрын
40:55 I felt that so hard HAHAHAHA
@handlesareobnoxious
4 жыл бұрын
Excellent set review. More like this one please :)
@Darth_Sithis
4 жыл бұрын
I was interested in what you guys thought about the God of destiny and whether or not she would or even could see some Competitive play and the new Nyxborn Walker who wants to be in an enchantment deck.
@THEMithrandir09
4 жыл бұрын
What are your thoughts on Erbeos Intervention? 1mana for 2 exiles from the yard at instant speed is a good rate and if you don't need it it can kill a dork for 2 or a tymna at 3. Not the most efficient removal, but in a meta where faerie macabre is a dead card too often it might be an alternative. Especially since many new oracle hulk piles won't need to use the yard anymore.
@solotopp
4 жыл бұрын
Bought Tainted Pact back when it was like $5. Feelsgoodman.
@christopherspeck6770
4 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry but I have to say it, I really can't tell whether Lerker reminds me a FilthyFrank character or Doc Ock from Sam Raimi's Spiderman trilogy. Love the work as usual and as someone who mains Teferi/Anje, I'm somewhat hyped for Whirlwind Denial and making the definite switch to Kroxa as the general consensus to my knowledge amongst the Rakdos community is that when it comes to Kroxa vs Anje vs Xantcha, Kroxa is the most resilient Rakdos Worldgorger Dragon commander/shell.
@bladeflesh
4 жыл бұрын
The equal too part is what makes oracle absurd. You cant even kill all of the blue devotion cards to stop the win.
@bladeflesh
4 жыл бұрын
lol commented too soon
@cutecommie
4 жыл бұрын
You can Griptide it I guess. Totally Lost and Unexpectedly Absent work too.
@GzzLuiz
4 жыл бұрын
I love Thassa's Oracle!
@darkdragonXD1
4 жыл бұрын
Next week my group gonna bring fish hulk , atleast 2 or 3 people, so now we have Team FishHulk vs TeamHate, lets see how it goes.
@sabertoothpupy7742
4 жыл бұрын
46:56 Finally someone speaking the truth on why blue is the most oppressive colour in Magic
@qwertyb18
4 жыл бұрын
I know, it's been a secret to everyone up until this very moment!
@brandons1411
4 жыл бұрын
So what' I'm hearing is flash nyxbloom in, rite of replication it and then finale of devastation for 727?
@CPZeit
4 жыл бұрын
How much mana is do you want for X ? Brandon: YES
@brandons1411
4 жыл бұрын
@@CPZeit You right :P
@real_drainer
4 жыл бұрын
That wouldn't work
@bladeflesh
4 жыл бұрын
also for the BR titan you don't need him in play to win. You can just WGD loop and make infinite mana then just cast him over and over letting him die to his own etb. Granted this line does need another creature in the yard to stop a draw but you don't have to escape him to win.
@makarzorklin8265
4 жыл бұрын
Laboratory Maniacs, with Thassa's Oracle being printed what's this channel's new name?
@solotopp
4 жыл бұрын
I just want a Timmy deck that attacks with big creatures ie: Nyxbloom Ancient and is competitive. Please, somehow. I just want to swing with creatures and win that way while being competitive. But instead, I have to play food chain. Oh well.
@LaboratoryManiacs
4 жыл бұрын
Blood Pod/Meta pod does that... they usually have 1 top end card that is a big thing. Also they probably run kiki/twin.
@jakepuckett803
4 жыл бұрын
I'm at least going to try Nyxbloom Ancient in Selvala, Heart of the Wilds! It cheats out big stuff & makes stupid amounts of mana super early, and this just gives it another infinite mana enabler, plus the deck is full of mana-sinks like Duskwatch Recruiter.. sounds fun!
@dominicakadragun3103
4 жыл бұрын
Drinking game Time- Take 2 Shots everytime Lerker Says “Holy Shit”
@mitchellbrooks8709
4 жыл бұрын
Finally get to see lurker again, go ghave!
@leonidasboo
4 жыл бұрын
You can hulk into thassa's and seeker and stack the triggers to resolve seeker first for consult then cast it right onto of the thassa's trigger right?
@goldenmajestic9007
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah that's the proper sequence, maintaining priority on Thassa ETB. Throw Blood Pet in the hulk pile to ensure mana for Consult.
@yoshiman9521
4 жыл бұрын
WOOOOOOOOOOO LAB MAN CONTENT
@AndrewTheOni
4 жыл бұрын
I really thought we would see Nyx Lotus (I'm aware it entering tapped may make it a little to slow), Shadowspear and Soul-Guide Lantern on this list, perhaps I'm over valuing their effects?
@Survivalist-of-war
4 жыл бұрын
I use heliod in 99 have 8 combos with it. Ran him as the commander consistently combo of turning. Not flash hulk level but decent.
@djnotnice8416
4 жыл бұрын
What happened to the gameplay content? Am I just missing them?
@Cryonicity
4 жыл бұрын
sadly can't cast LED with Underworld breach as there's a clause in the gatherer ruels saying you can't escape anything with no mana cost.
@cheshireromeo1987
4 жыл бұрын
LED has a cmc of 0. That ruling is referring to cards such as Restore Balance and Wheel of Fate,which literally have no cmc.
@Cryonicity
4 жыл бұрын
@@cheshireromeo1987 ah, thank you! That makes it better then I thought.
@Survivalist-of-war
4 жыл бұрын
We have a cedh event this coming weekend. $1000+ in prizes. So I'm betting at least 30 flash fish out of 40 decks. We frequently run cedh tournaments and our meta is cedh but only in events do ppl play flash hulk. They just need to ban hulk again. It ruins tournaments
@orsettomorbido
4 жыл бұрын
Tainted Pact is 18/20 euros even, well, in Europe. T_T
@SlayerSnow
4 жыл бұрын
Isn't Eidolon of Obstruction increase the activation cost of a planes walker by (1) rather than increasing casting cost?.
@SlayerSnow
4 жыл бұрын
@@gapeape3895 that's exactly what i said
@McCoreman
4 жыл бұрын
Yes, it does increase the activation costs. I believe Lerker was just likening it to Thorn of Amethyst as Thorn will get you more value in the long run.
@mfmageiwatch
4 жыл бұрын
Yes but most of the time you attack down the planeswalker in one rotation anyway so 1 mana is 1 mana I think is the point. Plus all spells is more relevant than loyalty activations.
@Lerker2000
4 жыл бұрын
My idea was that it costs you 1 more to play and use the effect; you generally wouldn't be playing a walker at exactly the cost and then not using an ability. Then if the walker dies immediately and only got to use a single loyalty ability it does the same as if it had simply made it cost 1 more in the first place.
@cutecommie
4 жыл бұрын
The jump from 0 mana to 1 mana is pretty big.
@devonlommerin4630
4 жыл бұрын
i love these vidoes keep it up!
@commander_k7748
4 жыл бұрын
So like making enemy draw a card still kills oracle so does angels grace. 2 very legit answers 🤷🏻♂️
@adamkhan1687
4 жыл бұрын
You did great!
@jormungardwe
4 жыл бұрын
this dog is amazing for pioneer, another one to put in the abzan company I made
@lukevogen4232
4 жыл бұрын
Would sudden spoiling stop flash Oracle?
@nathanspencer6140
4 жыл бұрын
1:24:49 His face.
@rymaster4424
4 жыл бұрын
turbo mill lazav the multi! with torpal orb and oracal.
@jordanschoepke1864
4 жыл бұрын
Never clicked on a video so fast
@RandyGriffith90
4 жыл бұрын
Anything on Klothys, god of destiny???!!!!
@Ragmesesis
4 жыл бұрын
So you guys ask for the ban of flash in the Oracle Core deck?
@nox0underling
4 жыл бұрын
Mana tripler slots into Omnath High Tide. Challenge accepted Mr. Lerker. Also, doesn't the Green Creature that animates a land enable Cradle and Nykthos to go infinite in a Yisan Shell with Mantle or Staff type shenanigans?
@goldenmajestic9007
4 жыл бұрын
Yep, Wakeroot Elemental.
@nox0underling
4 жыл бұрын
@@goldenmajestic9007 I was more referring to the new one they talked about during the video. Being a Gaea's Herald with the upside of being able to animate lands into combo creatures seems decent.
@pkchutrainer
4 жыл бұрын
This didnt show up in my podcast player. Most of your stuff usually does.
@LaboratoryManiacs
4 жыл бұрын
We ran into an issue pushing it to our feed. We are working on that and it should be there today or tomorrow.
@pkchutrainer
4 жыл бұрын
@@LaboratoryManiacs Thanks! You people rock!
@PedroViniciusBCPires
4 жыл бұрын
Hippo is great for Kefnet!
@TheSpiritombsableye
4 жыл бұрын
44:50 bounding krasis
@jacobdow561
4 жыл бұрын
For storm herald there is the eldrazi +10/+10 aura, the two infect auras.
@Bleach213monster
4 жыл бұрын
It's not boring to me flash hulk is my baby everything that makes it better is a ok by me lol
@2LPfan
4 жыл бұрын
If it cost xu and you got to draw all the cards would thass's intervention be good enough?
@cutecommie
4 жыл бұрын
I don't think they would powercreep Pull from Tomorrow already.
@Servbot40
4 жыл бұрын
Is the problem Flash or the Fish?
@pkchutrainer
4 жыл бұрын
Is Oko good in cedh? He blocks thasa. ~ ᕕ(ᐛ)ᕗ Cant use a mox because of an ouphe!? No big deal! Elk it.
@jeffwren7815
4 жыл бұрын
Any chance you'll have Shaper on one of these?
@LaboratoryManiacs
4 жыл бұрын
For a set review, probably not. the equipment required is a hefty investment. If he were close to one of us, then it would be a possibility.
@bryanbonar
4 жыл бұрын
Please let VoidPod become a thing.
@mr9cube
4 жыл бұрын
Calling hulk decks '8 different decks' is absurd hulk apology. Hulk is the problem. A ban of flash, hulk, and consult together would be fucking fantastic
@JonaxII
4 жыл бұрын
Renata is basically Grumgully for one mana more. Not great.
@theultimategod
4 жыл бұрын
Is there a safe pile with Oracle? Example sylvan safekeeper.
@LaboratoryManiacs
4 жыл бұрын
With Breakfast Hulk, you just keep milling in response to anything. Once your library is empty, you don't care what happens to your board, as a devotion to zero still wins you the game.
@theultimategod
4 жыл бұрын
@@LaboratoryManiacs so what is the fastest and most consistent hulk line for Oracle? just in case of stifle effects if the game goes longer just looking for safe piles. Thanks
@benjaminabbott4705
4 жыл бұрын
There are multiple safe piles. With either breakfast or Spellseeker, spot removal does nothing. Only countering Flash (or Consultation, if in the mix), stopping Hulk trigger, or using Stifle effect on Oracle trigger work.
@LaboratoryManiacs
4 жыл бұрын
theultimategod, @@benjaminabbott4705has it. They also work through different triggers. If you have torpor orb out, spellseeker + labmaniac. If no torpor orb, spellseeker+blood pet+thassa's oracle or cephalid illusionist + nomad's en-kor + thassa's oracle + a 1 drop.
@Lerker2000
4 жыл бұрын
@@LaboratoryManiacs There is also the safe line of hulking into Grand Abolisher if you have any piece in your hand, or GA+spellseeker -> reap to get back flash hulk to do it again for 3UUG in late game. Or of course if you're on the druid build you have dread return so you can GA+breakfast+1drop and mill out -> dread return Oracle. -Lerker
@cyishida2747
4 жыл бұрын
Got it today!
@AceHardy
4 жыл бұрын
📝
@cutecommie
4 жыл бұрын
Taking notes I see
@DEVILONBOTHSHOULDERS
4 жыл бұрын
listening to lerker call uro "a good deck" pains me greatly
@Survivalist-of-war
4 жыл бұрын
Ban oracle. Goes straight into flash build. Just gonna ruin the meta again
@brandonguthrie8122
4 жыл бұрын
mtg_survivalist it’s flash that needs the ban imo
@jcjackson9367
4 жыл бұрын
I STG, Sheldon don't you ban thassa's oracle like yall did to paradox engine just cause "it hurts your little feelings" .
@AndrewWoodford
4 жыл бұрын
Flash died for Flash's sins.
@gapeape3895
4 жыл бұрын
Nah, it should eefinitely get banned
@MrMarclax
4 жыл бұрын
Already ordered some I see?
@iraangove7298
4 жыл бұрын
Ah yes a banning, I think you mean "new website coming soon"
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