11:13 BTW, forgot to include a graphic but going from Iron Cavalry to anything else can lose you 30+% Damage, which is why I don't really recommend it unless playing outside of break teams
@theghastlygamerz999
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while the damage lost is true... it also kind of depends on the content or the kind of playstyle a different set can give you. An Eagle Set Lingsha with a DDD Harmony MC can actually allow her to do something that she wouldnt normally do otherwise. If we look at something like MOC with a wave 2 that has enemies that are @ 150 toughness value like Kafka, a 30 toughness reduction from FF's Tech, 30 from Lingsha's ULT + a 15 FUA and maybe an extra 15 more from the random hit, that only amounts to either a 75 or 90 toughness reduction so when Firefly's turn comes around a 60 toughness reduction will either be getting you a 135 or 150 total toughness reduction based on RNG. This is even worse when we get to other enemies like Argenti which has 160 toughness so the Eagle Set Lingsha helps get a turn before FF gets hers so you're adding an extra 15 toughness reduction to make that a total of 150 or 165... so FF actually does damage on bosses on her first turn rather than wasting a turn just doing nothing to them. not to mention that an eagle set lingsha will allow you to have 3 total turns, 2 ULTs and 3 FUA all in cycle 1 of Wave 2 compared to non-eagle set lingsha that is only able to do 2 turns 1 ULT and 2 FUA.
@xinfonia2
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@@theghastlygamerz999 Yeah but even if you have the extra turns, the extra turns also have less significance because you deal moderately less damage. It also doesn’t help that you want to pair her with other breakers who will do more ST toughness break like Firefly etc. And it will most likely not matter in Pure Fiction where her toughness reduction matters more because as long as you are breaking at her “slower” rate or even slower, you can still clear the content quickly. Taking turns with Lingsha simply matters less, because a lot of the toughness reduction is on her Fuyuan, that is hard to advance with Lingsha turns. If Fuyuan was a 50% or 100% advance on skill, it would be a different story. Also, doesn’t the Kafka scenario only happen if you use Firefly’s ultimate straight away? With a decent amount of speed on Lingsha, it is completely fine to wait till her turn. On top of that, with Firefly’s skill and Lingsha’s technique, you should be starting with Fuyuan > Lingsha > Ult > Fuyuan, which will give you 15 or 30 more toughness reduction. Or maybe even Fuyuan > Lingsha > Fuyuan > Ult > Fuyuan, which is 30, 45 or 60 toughness reduction. The argument just doesn’t make a lot of sense because running eagle over a ton of extra damage does not give you enough to be a much better choice over Iron Calvary, when Fuyuan without eagle is already able to get a lot of toughness reduction without it.
@theghastlygamerz999
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@@xinfonia2 here's the scenario im painting for MOC... Kafka is not a Wave 1 Boss... she "probably" never was and probably never will. so this so called 150 Toughness Boss will require a lot more toughness to break on Wave 2, hence why you have an eagle set lingsha if you're not an E1 Lingsha haver... so for starters: 30 Toughness from FF tech to all targets present in Wave 2. 30 Toughness from a Lingsha ULT @ 0 AV on Wave 2 which also allows a Fu Yuan 15 Toughness and a random target with an extra 15 (only heard this part from other people, im not really sure if the random target even gets an extra toughness reduction tbh) 15 Toughness from a Lingsha skill because she has eagle set and can overtake FF's turn in Wave 2. if you add those up, every enemy gets 30 + 30 + 15 + 15 which totals into 90 toughness... and one of these enemies are getting a total of 105 toughness reduction. If you weren't on Eagle Set you're basically at 75 on all, and 90 toughness reduction on a random target which would be lucky if it did hit Kafka so you'll just be enough to actually break with Firefly's 60 toughness reduction skill. so if you don't end up breaking kafka with her 150 toughness bar or heck argenti with his godforsaken 160 toughness, then you're already missing out on way more damage because you let a high toughness boss survive with a slither of white bar left... so are you actually dealing less damage or more damage if you end up not dealing damage with your Firefly in her 1st of 3 enhanced skills on Wave 2, Cycle 1?
@xinfonia2
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Honestly, the scenario you are painting is extremely hard to actually debate and know for sure if you don't give me speed values and so on. The way you play it can also completely change your AVs etc. Using Lingsha ult on Wave 2 instead of first wave means you lose out on 50 toughness reduction on first wave. Then the question becomes do you require this toughness reduction? Because it could be extra damage as well right? Also, this is completely assuming that other characters don't really exist right? I'm pretty sure even if Firefly doesn't break on first, you can break immediately after, which isn't really a huge problem still? Plus, Firefly can technically be used against every boss because of her Weakness Implant blah blah, but Kafka clearly isn't the best choice for her due to purely single-target. In addition to that, Argenti can summon the blades or whatever it's called and breaking those are incredibly easy, which would then reduce Argenti's toughness because they attack him when it's destroyed. I think when it comes to Firefly against Kafka you are kind of giving her a worser scenario where the Eagle set is absolutely necessary to break on the first action. I've only really used Firefly against Kafka in Apocalyptic Shadow, and there's no way you are even breaking on first action because you are targeting the Elites first, but defeating them then reduces Kafka's toughness. So I really don't see how it can be useful unless you MUST 0-cycle and you MUST use Firefly against Kafka, when there are better choices against her. Like you would probably want to use Firefly team into Past, Eternal and Future instead right? And Firefly can break with 1 enhanced skill + technique on first action. In this case, having Lingsha go first may reduce Firefly's damage because Lingsha is the one breaking. It also really depends on your build, because if you have a really high Speed Firefly even with Eagle, Firefly can be faster. Lingsha has 98 Base Speed which is pretty damn low, so to even get to say 156 and so on, you need 58 Speed? Obviously RM's skill and Kalpagni's helps you a bit, but Firefly benefits from the same. I for example have a 167 Speed Firefly, and in Firefly Ult, a 156 Speed Lingsha with Eagle is still 2AV short of my Firefly's first turn on the second wave.
@theghastlygamerz999
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@@xinfonia2 for starters and i guess context. i have a 156 SPD Firefly when using a 162 SPD Natasha (Lingsha Placeholder) alongside 142 SPD Ruan Mei with Messenger 4 pc and 153 Harmony MC with an S1 DDD just because i only have two S1 DDD right now. I also have an E2S1 Firefly for that matter so Wave 1 is basically a struggle to just keep the wave alive more than missing out on damage... heck i even force myself to use an FF 1st e.skill and E2 proc without the HMC ULT just so i don't kill the wave too early. so yeah, using a lingsha ULT on Wave 1 is just not gonna be part of that rotation so instead. like i said, a 0 AV ULT for Lingsha would get her in front of Firefly on Wave 2 so she can deal 90 or 105 toughness damage first and let Firefly do the breaks on Kafka and the elite next to her on MOC 12 right away... since when i tried with Gallagher, the difference of breaking Kafka on the 1st skill instead of breaking her with the E2 proc becomes a one cycle clear vs a zero cycle. also because they're basically not gonna be moving until after Firefly's last enhanced skill, there really is no one else to break or kill as the other elite next to kafka has already died while FF has her E2 on cooldown. and yeah i do agree that this is a worse scenario where i could just put another team in there but only if i actually have a better one. Just to give you an idea, i didnt pull for Feixaio nor did i tried to get Acheron or plan to get her on her rerun. My main units right now are Firefly and Yunli which is actually good for a kafka side too. Tho the point im trying to make is an Eagle Set Lingsha allows Firefly to break even a 160 toughness boss right away just so you can do more damage instead of wasting Firefly's turn. For context, breaking kafka on MOC 12 on the very first FF turn deals around 22% of her HP bar. so you're potentially missing out on that much if you're not gonna break with Firefly and let Lingsha or any of her allies do the breaking later.
@goburinregai
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one little detail, in single target scenarios lingsha does do more ST toughness than e6 gallagher, considering a fire-weak enemy and firefly team. Fuyuan does 10 toughness damage to all enemies and a single attack that prioritizes non broken enemies that also deals 10 toughness damage, while gallagher does have a higher burst with his eba, lingshas 0 cycle would do 100 toughness damage(fuyuan(trace trigger)->skill or basic->fuyuan->skill or basic->ult->fuyuan) while gallagher is only 84 toughness damage(basic->basic->ult->eba). Gallagher though is a better qpq user and sp generator and he also more likely to resist crow control
@xinfonia2
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@goburinregai Does this only work for the 0th cycle? Because I found at 3 Targets Lingsha is only 5% better in terms of damage when Fuyuan does decent damage outside of break on top of all her AOE in 6 Turns and Gallagher only has an AOE Ult he can use twice and was calculated without extra ATK% that Lingsha has. Basic > Basic > Ult > Enhanced is 119 toughness not 84. EDIT: yeah I found Gallagher to be 2150.85256 DPAV and Lingsha to be 1944.578603 at Single Target. I am pretty sure Gallagher is better at Single Target in general
@goburinregai
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@@xinfonia2 it is 119 thougness with ruanmei, Lingsha is 100 without ruanmei, considering the trace for fuyuan triggers when its available, if not lingsha is 80 thougness ST without ruanmei, so there are situations where gallagher does better ST
@xinfonia2
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I see what you mean now, but you have to proc Fuyuan's emergency heal and it has to be purely single target unless you win RNG to hit the same target and it only applies for the 0th Cycle right? I think Gallagher is calculated to be better in Single-Target in general due to his Ult advance and DPAV is used. I guess the way to look at this, is that Lingsha can give you more toughness reduction in the 0th cycle but after this Gallagher catches up when more Ultimates are used and remains better at single-target for longer durations of time.
@ichigo8983
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you got me convinced! 😊 i will pull for her ❤… thank you again for this detailed video you explain everything so clearly
@Yuki_Ika7
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i am going to pull for her and hoping to get her e1, i have 268 pulls and counting for her so far, i will use her with my e1 Firefly, my Harmony Trailblazer (with Ruan Mei's signature LC) and my Hunt March (i need my Ruan Mei on my DoT team), plus Lingsha would make for a good "Shifu" for march due to all the attacks!
@HanabiSparkle12937
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Will pull for her 🥰
@shai310
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Well said. I think Lingsha's value is going to go way up since she isn't just tied to break teams and she does help free Gallagher to other teams as well. Another thing to note is that during 2.6 the endgame content is going to be catered towards Rappa, meaning Lingsha will benefit from it as well. I also think that if we'll get support for summoned units (which might be the case with the banana planer set) then Lingsha is going to benefit from it too.
@uzumakinaruto7924
14 сағат бұрын
Can i use bailu light cone on lingsha?
@xinfonia2
11 сағат бұрын
@@uzumakinaruto7924 Technically yes, but I recommend the other light cones listed in the video instead
@Birdizzle98
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Does Super Break benefit from Def shred?
@xinfonia2
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@@Birdizzle98 Yes, that is why I kept talking about her E1
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