Book: Tractor beam won't lock on, I don't understand. Doctore: Synchronize to 5.1732 Book: There are tens of thousands of frequencies how could you possibly know that. Doctor: God wills it! (I'm paraphrasing of course.) Lol there was a lot of bad stuff in this final episode. Like, "We can create a new body identical to the original but can't transfer the memories or essence." Uh, Picard did it with way less advanced tech centuries ago, so why not?
@boneyold
3 ай бұрын
Enterprise too
@leDespicable
3 ай бұрын
I mean, he literally explained later on that it was one of the memories of the trill scientist that occupied his body, so it's not that far-fetched
@maybetoby
3 ай бұрын
So the search was for nothing. They found the tech, didn't use it, and basically let it get destroyed all so Michael could learn to love again. And L'ak died for nothing lol So why was it important for Craft to find Discovery. Yes, they needed to tie up that loose thread from Short Treks. But why was it important to revert Discovery to its old configuration just so Craft could find it and then be on his merry way? What's so important about him? And I never got the impression that "Calypso" took place in a timeline where Control won. Glad Saru lived to get married. He's my favorite character. I really didn't care about Kovich's identity. It was a nice Easter egg, but meh... Overall, Discovery had more misses than hits in my opinion.
@RBsRealm
2 ай бұрын
It's just one big miss. That ironically won't be missed.
@GSBarlev
3 ай бұрын
I really liked that once the Progenitors' tech was revealed, it was clear that... it really wasn't that special. It's basically the Iconian gateways combined with the Dominion cloning tech, without even the terraforming power of the Genesis Device or the consciousness-transferring power of the Soong golems. Definitely not a facility you want falling into enemy hands, but I agree with Burnham's decision to toss it into a black hole-the 32nd century doesn't really gain anything by keeping it around.
@HomoSolari
3 ай бұрын
It really emphasizes how the Galaxy has reached a point where it doesn’t need that kind of power. It’s technology of unbelievable power, but so old that in small ways the peoples of the Galaxy have already surpassed it.
@stanislavkostarnov2157
3 ай бұрын
to quote another piece of sci-fi - Nothing gets destroyed forever this is especially true around black-holes, we do not really understand them well enough, but, they generally do not destroy, constantly moving some portion of their accretion disk (or reflections thereof) into another dimension/time... a form of random long-distance trans-universe teleportation... we see that being used elsewhere in the show throwing it in a black hole can end quite badly if you look elsewhere in the franchise's setting history. or I guess it can complete the loop.
@ericpowell4350
3 ай бұрын
Seriously 😐
@bluedotdinosaur
Ай бұрын
Designing a life form from first principles is still a tall order and it felt like the secret sauce of the tech was an ability to model what would take evolution millions of years to refine. Even the Founders merely adapted existing sets of dna. It’s still science notably beyond the current civilizations. But the idea of an ancient treasure no longer being valuable due to the passage of time is a time tested story device. There’s nothing particularly bad about the writers using it here.
@TedTabaka
3 ай бұрын
Also anyone getting Orville vibes from the shuttles?
@gene1star
3 ай бұрын
They steal anything.
@JohnVance
3 ай бұрын
Hah I thought the same
@philly83
3 ай бұрын
I've recently started watching the Orville then saw the shuttles and was like "hmm these look familiar."
@jaklinhyde
3 ай бұрын
My first thought when I saw it 😂😂
@ManabiLT
3 ай бұрын
I want to see Star Trek venture into a 2D universe, just to see how they'd make it look. _The Orville_ did a great job with their version!
@DeaconBlu
3 ай бұрын
I’m glad it’s over and done. I eagerly await the next “series”…or idea. This whole thing has been aweful for me as a fan of Trek. This too…shall pass. 😔
@dualityomk9854
3 ай бұрын
Pass like a kidney stone
@suchnerve
3 ай бұрын
Progenitor tech 🤝 Omega molecule
@newnewnwo4-life497
3 ай бұрын
Thank God! The whole show was just a terrible nightmare to be forgotten 😂
@warwolf88
3 ай бұрын
it has very little if any rewatch ability unlike the other trek shows
@stingyblue8189
3 ай бұрын
It was on 5 seasons, so it was successful from that standpoint. (Of course, it was on streaming service. So, only hardcore fans would pay a monthly subscription to see it. It wouldn’t have lasted that long on TV although it debut on CBS. ) Ultimately, it failed in its mission to tell story of the Federation during the ten years before Kirk took over the Enterprise.
@ashleycross7593
3 ай бұрын
Thank god, its finally dead. The only problem is it took lower decks with it.
@stankyyboi
3 ай бұрын
Calypso is not related to Control and V'draysh is just a distorted slang term for Federation, some bad guys in DIS S3 also said V'draysh so it's not something the UFP became in an alt timeline and the reason they ended with Calypso is because that was going to be the plot of Season 6 according to the showrunner and since they were never going to get to tell that story in full they decided to at least close the loop somewhat and sorta explain it at the end of 5
@gene1star
3 ай бұрын
What could be more serious in next season than burn and red directive, red angel and living library? …
@fenrisvermundr2516
3 ай бұрын
@@gene1star Stamets was going to be the next season's villain. That's all I know.
@maybetoby
3 ай бұрын
Was wondering why it was so important for Craft to find Discovery. What's so important about him?
@stankyyboi
3 ай бұрын
@@maybetoby we don't know, he's from a Short Trek in 2018 that's shrouded in mystery and they've been dropping little hints and teases towards it for the past 6 years and dropped an even bigger tease with this last episode and with the show ending it's something that will never be resolved
@maybetoby
3 ай бұрын
@@stankyyboi I know what he's from lol
@dramonmaster222
3 ай бұрын
Honestly, I thought the Finale was kinda underwhelming. The fact that Kovich was Daniels was a nice Easter Egg.
@bull614
3 ай бұрын
I agree. Tbh, I also wasn't really happy with how they did Discovery either. Felt like an easy out. Like they couldn't figure out a way to tastefully get rid of a fully sentient AI. Honestly, I would have preferred that the ship was lost defending her crew. Yes, it would have been incredibly sad, but a much better ending for such a ship than to sit in space for eternity falling apart.
@gene1star
3 ай бұрын
@@bull614so why they not use real ship name and real actor?
@bull614
3 ай бұрын
@gene1star so because I don't get specific, I can't have an opinion. Go try baiting someone else. I don't have time for children's games.
@Tall_Order
3 ай бұрын
I liked the way the Breen look in this time period. But my issue with Discovery is the Burn. I don't want to consider that little thing as canon.
@alexwilcox4075
3 ай бұрын
I wasn't a fan of the last episode; I understand it's the journey and not the destination, but when the destination is the same result as if.you had not gone on the journey at all, it doesn't feel like great storytelling.
@Jayjay-qe6um
3 ай бұрын
To be honest, I'm kinda disappointed that there's no showdown between Rayner and Tahal, I was expecting that. Maybe future novels will find a resolution for that.
@michaelsmith1356
3 ай бұрын
Daniel’s served on the Enterprise NX01.
@joseaguilar3323
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, but he said "USS Enterprise", and NX01 was pre- USS
@@joseaguilar3323 the NX-01 got a USS commission later on after the refit, the refitted version in PIC"s fleet museum had USS
@FerdinandCesarano
3 ай бұрын
@@qubex - It's not a break in continuity. This line confirms that Daniels was not only on the NX-01 Enterprise, but that he was also on later versions.
@qubex
3 ай бұрын
@@FerdinandCesarano Well if you twist things that far why not assert that there’s an offscreen USS Enterprise in the 31st century and that he’s on her crew roaster? Why would it link back to a vessel that Burnham briefly encountered during the battle against Control et al.?
@knight4light
3 ай бұрын
ngl i love the look of older burnam. would like to see more of that uniform and style. also as someone else pointed out. discovery started at the battle of binary stars. it ends at the binary black holes.
@KingOfMadCows
3 ай бұрын
I don't see the point of giving Progenitors progenitors. If time doesn't matter in the Progenitor device then why didn't the device's creators also leave someone there? And if someone else created the device then there would have been other life in the universe during the Progenitor's time.
@JDSleeper
3 ай бұрын
But there still could've been millions or even billions of years between the Progenitors and the their progenitors. Deep Time is vast.
@kendrakirai
3 ай бұрын
@@JDSleeperlike the man said, the Progenitors were four billion years ago, there's been tens of thousands, or millions of successive galactic empires since then. And the universe is three times older than the Progenitors. A million years is already unimaginably long, and the universe is over twelve THOUSAND times older than that. Time is an abyss.
@KingOfMadCows
3 ай бұрын
@@JDSleeper except they specifically established that time didn't matter inside the device. That's why there was a Progenitor inside the device even though they've benn extinct for billions of years. So it wouldn't matter if the device was created 1 billion, 2 billion, 5 billion, 10 billion years before the Progenitors.
@ManabiLT
3 ай бұрын
For the travel time: Perhaps they sent them to the edge of the galaxy on the _other side of the galaxy,_ so they have to traverse the whole Delta quadrant to get home. Doesn't help with the inconsistencies within _TOS,_ but it's fun to think of them doing it that way.
@JB-px5xb
3 ай бұрын
Your final review was more than it deserved!
@DonnieZX10R
3 ай бұрын
Hi Rick, can you tell me what rifle Hale is using in episode 100 of yours I think? The one with the temporal accords being signed and all of the subsequent episodes.
@beayn
3 ай бұрын
I'm just happy they didn't go too heavy on the identity politics this year. It was a little over the top in previous years.
@CrimsonCateye
3 ай бұрын
I think you misunderstood the context of Calypso. It never mentions control once, and control's goal was to wipe out sentient life, which wasn't even close to what had happened in the Short Trek. It's more likely the 42nd century that the short takes place to begin with.
@Aragorn7884
3 ай бұрын
I like the twist on Kovich, but it _was_ a cheap pop though...
@GSBarlev
3 ай бұрын
Cheap would have been him being a Picard golem or even Future Guy. Daniels felt fitting, IMO.
@Bob6800a
3 ай бұрын
For some reason, I thought he was going to shape shift into an "Unknown Sample".
@kaitlyn__L
3 ай бұрын
@@GSBarlev I'm alright with him being Daniels, but for a second I expected him to be Flint or an El-Aurian! Definitely wouldn't have wanted him to be future guy tho.
@skipklauber1162
3 ай бұрын
Who knew this was still on!
@SeporiBowi
3 ай бұрын
This episode is where the reshoots felt the most. I think there was no way to close all the characters. I hope those left behind have an opportunity to shine on the Academy series. Also, they saying Tilly became the longest serving teacher on the Academy means Pelia never returns to teach at the Academy after SNW? After all, she could still be alive by Disco times. Though the Galaxy and Starfleet are dangerous places.
@ihatestairsEXTERMINATE
3 ай бұрын
first captain to abandon ship without any threats from outside... what a legend! And the ship is sentient and sexually identify herself as a female! AI life matter!
@gene1star
3 ай бұрын
It hits hard.
@dualityomk9854
3 ай бұрын
@@gene1star harder than a trash meteor
@rabbitbear6514
3 ай бұрын
Am I the ONLY ONE who spottet all Section 31 ships at the end of the episode????!!!
@ChrisBrownEyecueDesign
3 ай бұрын
Discovery started as one thing, changed and changed again and continued to be confused. Eventually settling on an uber-woke storyline arc that was hard to digest. I don't mean to be a hater, but to me, it is a shame for fans of the franchise. It was weak, overly personal, a little cringy and kinda hard to watch, how it got 5 seasons is beyond me.... Sigh.
@TaraSocial
3 ай бұрын
Just so they could say it lasted longer than Enterprise. This show was about promoting an agenda (Kurtzman even said it was a platform for Black Lives Matter) and it didn’t matter how unpopular it was, they were making it to make a point.
@max13494
3 ай бұрын
Imagine using woke non ironically
@ianbrewster8934
3 ай бұрын
Don't like Discovery at all..... garbage 🗑️
@lifesacardgame6454
3 ай бұрын
The writers totally played it safe. Disappointing. *meh*
@Nethershaw
3 ай бұрын
2:13 A *Vulcan's love triangles* _can_ be interesting.
@Jasonjones-h2x
2 ай бұрын
This whole show except for season two was just plain stupid an the worse star trek ever made..
@haroldchase4120
3 ай бұрын
I thought it was ok
@jolan_tru
3 ай бұрын
I don't want it to be over 😢
@christopherluke9658
3 ай бұрын
That’s a lonely club to belong to.
@jolan_tru
3 ай бұрын
@@christopherluke9658 Only if the majority is a 'lonely club' I guess.
@dupersuper1938
3 ай бұрын
You still have Strange New Worlds, a second season of Prodigy, one more season of Lower Decks, a Starfleet Academy show, a Section 31 movie and whatever else they do next, plus the always being churned out novels, comics and video games - some of which will likely feature more of these characters eventually - and the fan-made stuff all over KZitem. I've also noticed a lot of reactions and reviews of Star Trek starting up over KZitem the past year or two (I used to see none), and personally listen to three separate Star Trek podcasts these days, plus am in a semi-regular Star Trek Adventures game. If you have Paramount+ (and maybe Netflix still in some areas) you can rewatch this whole series (or most of the others) from the beginning. Please console yourself with the abundance of available Trek in this difficult time for you.
@dualityomk9854
3 ай бұрын
@@jolan_tru if it was a majority you would be getting a season 6
@jolan_tru
3 ай бұрын
@@dualityomk9854 Yeah, unsuccessful niche shows get 5 seasons, a movie and 5 spinoff series. Critical thinking not your forté it seems.
@GalacticGaming96220
3 ай бұрын
12:03 the child is Leto, not Leo, his name is shown if you have the subtitles on.
@GSBarlev
3 ай бұрын
Yep. A reference to -the God-emperor of Dune- Book's nephew who died at the start of Season 4. I found it extremely touching.
@NCC-72545A
3 ай бұрын
Still didn't see any Klingon in the 30th or 31st century.
@internationalvibe
3 ай бұрын
I think they intentionally steered well clear of bringing them back after the first couple seasons.
@christopherluke9658
3 ай бұрын
For the best
@stankyyboi
3 ай бұрын
a stuntman said he was playing Breen and Klingon soldiers before we even knew there were Breen in the show so I think SOMETHING Klingon related was filmed but then cut from the season
@NCC-72545A
3 ай бұрын
@internationalvibe Really? They brought back the Bajorns, Franing, Breen, Cardassians, Trill, Romulans, Vulcans, and a couple of other Alpha, Beta, Gamma, and Delta quadrants species, But they avoid the Klingon like the plague, when they can use the prosthetics from strange new worlds?
@stankyyboi
3 ай бұрын
@@NCC-72545A yes but Disco has a very controversial history with the Klingons, whole reason they jumped forward in time was because of the backlash to how they were handling Klingons and TOS era stuff. So them wanting to steer clear of the Klingons for a little while makes sense
@deralbtraumritter8573
3 ай бұрын
I love how Daniels is alive and well… time can’t kill him.
@ManabiLT
3 ай бұрын
It _can_ kill him, it just can't _keep_ him dead. He died in the first episode of _Enterprise_ season 4, but came back after Enterprise stopped the bad guy in the past.
@90lancaster
3 ай бұрын
What if they become the Vadrash after the show ended+1000 years.. after all the Vulcans/Romulans got a name change too. The fella in that minisode might even be from the very place Book and Burnham retire too. As for loose ends there is a few still for Section 31 to clear up.
@MrGanafin
Ай бұрын
Since Discovery can teleport ships places, I’d immediately keep it at base and use it to move the Fleet where they are needed (the ships can get back on their own)
@blakejones409
2 ай бұрын
He could have been saved. There is a race that Voyager encountered a people that procreate by resurrecting the dead of other species and changing the reincarnated into one of them. The resurrected retain all their memory, experience and personality, but require a small procedure to return them to their pre-ressurected physiology.
@TaraSocial
3 ай бұрын
This show only lasted 5 seasons as a “fück you” to the fans who hate it and to say it lasted longer than Enterprise. I seriously TRIED to like this show and I just never could.
@abukh86
2 ай бұрын
I honestly can't get myself to watch this final season. I simply hate the characters.
@TwinsenR
Ай бұрын
@@abukh86I never even learned the bridge crews names. Granted I only watched the first 3 seasons, and watched reviews of season 4 and 5. They didn't even have half of the bridge crew in the series finale. Everything about this show was awful and definitely wasn't Star Trek at all. 😅
@dawall3732
3 ай бұрын
NO. I reject all STDs in all their forms. (Including this series.) It's not Star Trek and never will be.
@christopherwilson7092
3 ай бұрын
You know the first beings would always be the Q then the progenitors
@dupersuper1938
3 ай бұрын
Unless the Q are ascended humanoids who were among the earliest evolved from the Progenitors genetic tampering. Quinn said they'd been around forever, but Q has implied they evolved from biological lifeforms the same way the Organians did.
@shaindaman13
3 ай бұрын
This show is shite. It always HAS been shite. It will be remembered as shite! An awful show made by awful people. It is NOT Trek.
@andromidius
3 ай бұрын
Overall I liked this season. But the ending itself was... underwhelming. Especially the final scenes, which seemed very much an afterthought (the CGI of Discovery flying past the fleet looked horrendous). Its pretty much mid in terms of my favourite series endings. Not awful, but not fulfilling either. Nothing comes close to What You Leave Behind.
@matthewmckinney5387
3 ай бұрын
Worst writing ever, yhey threw both the tech and discovery in the trash. Like why not send stamets in there for like 20 minutes to idk scan something? Getting really tired of this woke culture ruining things for the majority of the fan base
@DanielSolis
3 ай бұрын
I actually liked this ending? Certainly at least a mid-tier series finale for Trek. Not the best, but miles above the ENT finale. And in the long history of unceremonious cancellations of sci-fi shows, it's among the better improvised closers.
@westrim
3 ай бұрын
I mean, ENT ending abruptly on a human supremacist plot was a bit surprising as a series end, but it was clearly cancelled without enough time to write one more episode to cap everything off. There was NOTHING AT ALL after the moon xenophobes story.
@ManabiLT
3 ай бұрын
@@westrim That was definitely a better ending. I look at it this way: since it's a holodeck program, there's 0% chance it's completely accurate, thus everything that happens on the NX-01 Enterprise in that episode _cannot be canon._ Only the scenes on the Enterprise D. The rest's basically fan fiction.
@Noslime
3 ай бұрын
It’s more important to show LGBTQ views than to write a good story. It gets in the way.
@colddripgaming
3 ай бұрын
I really didn’t like the whole final scene, felt jarring. I would have liked if they left it with the wedding but expanded on that scene instead
@kineuhansen8629
3 ай бұрын
i think this is my least favorite star trek series of modern star trek it did so many things wrong like the warhammer style klingons and the ships and the redesign of the enterprise in season 2 wich thank god picard fixed that also the spore drive for me it make no sense kinda make the quantom slips drive like a downgrade or what ever they call warp 10 and the fact that the burnam was a step sister to spock was strange choise
@dupersuper1938
3 ай бұрын
As long as the first two seasons of Picard exist, Discovery will never be my least favourite Trek.
@TheMadTube
3 ай бұрын
I am truly mixed. Personally, I loathe the trope of the ancient tech having been previously abandoned and discovered by the ancient race before. It was done in Contact, Stargate, and others. The trope is getting old at this point to me. Kovich being Daniels brought a deserved smile to my face. I really liked the nod to Enterprise. Kovich and Reno are tied as my favorite characters, so it gets a place in my heart. The Progenitor/Preserver tech not being able to bring back L’ak was refreshing. I’m glad they did not pull a deus ex machina with that. It would feel cheap. We already had one implausible resurrection in this show with Culber. Glad we didn’t make death a minor inconvenience. The Calypso nod is stupid. They painted themselves into a corner and had to walk themselves out. The Chase is one of my favorite episodes of Trek. I loved this season and think it was the best of the five. Disco has always been polarized. The resurgence of Trek has been mixed. Disco is easily my lowest rated of the new shows, but I’m glad they went out this season like they did. If we did not have Discovery, we would not have had Strange New Worlds or Lower Decks.
@ManabiLT
3 ай бұрын
Or possibly _Prodigy,_ which was way better than any fans expected it to be. I'm glad we're going to at least get a season 2 of it and hope they do more.
@khyron8509
3 ай бұрын
USS Discovery didn't deserve to just be abandoned like that and wow just how unimportant did they make Zora out to be after all the hype surrounding her in the first place.
@LegendslayX
3 ай бұрын
They had to do it that way because of the Star Trek Shorts episode: Calypso. It was meant to be explained next season but since it was cancelled, they had to retcon why the ship was 1000 years in the future and back to its original look in the short treks episode. In theory, Daniels knows the real reason why it had to be done and is setting it up for another Federation come back.
@GSBarlev
3 ай бұрын
@@LegendslayX It still felt very forced (especially with the returning of the ship to its "Calypso" appearance when they haven't had any problem with other cosmetic retcons). As much as I loved "Calypso," and as much as I hate this trope, I think if they'd felt the need to _canonize_ the short, they should have just said it was Zora dreaming.
@Jayjay-qe6um
3 ай бұрын
Agree, hopefully sequel novels will find a resolution for that.
@travisearly7879
3 ай бұрын
Usually when the writers paint themselves into a corner like that they just overlook canon. For this show to double down on that after pivoting so hard in season three is jarring, but at least they tried to respect their own canon.
@shaindaman13
3 ай бұрын
@@Jayjay-qe6umyou’d have to be stupid or in jail or something to wanna read a novel of this stupid series.
@guycalgary7800
3 ай бұрын
It all sucked !
@populuxe1
3 ай бұрын
That epilogue was completely unnecessary. They should have left it open-ended for future canon-building instead of aggressive territory marking by the writers.
@damdamdamdumdidum
Ай бұрын
The whole show is an anti-canon show for Star Trek, so at least they're consistent until the end.
@RTACDaughters
3 ай бұрын
This show is full of bad writing.
@RBsRealm
2 ай бұрын
I'm so glad it's over. I really hope it gets retconned out VERY soon.
@caniprokis7780
3 ай бұрын
Your outro music is the best in all of KZitem.
@bipolarminddroppings
3 ай бұрын
8:00 Obvious answer is that Colber picked up some stuff whole that trill dude was knocking around in his head. Mystery solved.
@gene1star
3 ай бұрын
This was all bad dream or reality by Talosians for prisoner Burnham.
@westrim
3 ай бұрын
I'm glad that you enjoyed the show. I bowed out when it became clear it was not for me, and the tabs I kept made clear it never became something I was interested in, but canon impacts aside, not everything has to be.
@FerdinandCesarano
3 ай бұрын
You should have stuck with it. Seasons 1 and 2 were terrible; the show really turned me off at that time. But it got progressively better after that.
@hi-q2261
3 ай бұрын
Thank God it's over. 🙏
@philipcollins3849
3 ай бұрын
I thought it was generally poor
@jeffhyche9839
3 ай бұрын
An the longest, saddest chapter in Star Trek history has finally been put out of its misery. Now we await the day when someone in charge looks at Discovery and says "that didn't happen."
@ericmci
3 ай бұрын
Has Discovery contributed a single original major idea to Trek? Everything has been an Easter egg or a revisit. Is cry-whispering enough? If so Discovery leaves a rich legacy.
@dupersuper1938
3 ай бұрын
Gormaganders? A time traveling angel suit? Trance Worms? The Burn? Programmable matter? Free floating nacelles? Species 10-C? Kelpiens? Ba'ul? The Sphere? Super hi-tech comm badge/replicator/transporter/tricorder combos? The myceleal network? Book's species? The butterfly people? The creatures that chased Tilly and her cadets? The Emerald Chain? The super secret library? Starfleet headqurters space station? The notion that the mirror universe is literally darker? The energy beings that ate away at the prison shuttle? The energy beings who tried to make peace with the Federation and Klingons after meeting Saru and his team in a forest? A previously unmentioned Klingon war? They were hit and miss, but certainly new.
@dualityomk9854
3 ай бұрын
@@dupersuper1938 so in short... No
@nelkosme3734
Ай бұрын
That the crew is a little more than just cardboard cutouts?
@dupersuper1938
Ай бұрын
@@dualityomk9854 You said original, not good.
@LumenMichaelOne
3 ай бұрын
7:34 ... Yeeah-Well ... sometimes it just ... is that way ... 😐 ... like ... I have No-Idea ... how I did that. I just did it. And I don't know if I can do it again. Probably Can ... but I don't know. 🤷
@TedTabaka
3 ай бұрын
Thank God this dumpster fire is put out and done! This finale had some good points, but just felt so forced and so many missing plot points missed during this episode itself. Some parts felt SO LONG and drawn out, I just wanted the story to continue rather than have a long-drawn scene about the crew being family. A little is fine, but not like this. This whole episodes flet like a cop out. I would have loved to see if the transporter question (Lower Decks) would be answered in this finale as the life equation. Or bring in "Q" to take away the answer saying that humanity is not yet ready, but soon... Something other than "nah" I don't think we should. 800 years of history just to give up and destroy it! Your ancestors wanted you to answer the question! Why did you not just send Zora with the Progenitors portal to both guard and forget about it until Michael Burnham descendants were "ready" and found Discovery and Zora, and finally answer the question! What I think upsets me more is that they never finished the series saying "these are the voyages of Star Trek Discovery"... I was never impressed or left wanting more from this series. Older Star Trek made me think and feel. I felt and thought nothing from this series. The show was terrible and I am glad it is done.
@LundboerKe-larai-d6u
18 күн бұрын
How does a progenitor that lasted between 2 black holes retain her black skin colour ? Skin pigmentation tone is in response to sunlight so how did she retain it ? Gene Roddenberry admitted that his inspiration to write star trek was based on his travels to India & he enjoyed the Hindu puranas , cyclical time concept is as old as the RG Veda much of what we see in star trek can be found in these ancient Hindu religious books that hint at possible history entwined into myth & written as poetic stories. Unfortunately this s.t.d did not live up to most Trekkies expectations even though it had a big budget & lotsa special effects etc but for some reason/s it never took off possibly because purist Trekkies like myself feel it tried to do to much to satisfy a more diverse audience. So I for 1 am glad it's ended , it cud also be an overload of the same same - shields down to 30% , whole Federation depends on 1 ship to save it all there's been so many star trek series done b4 discovery that it's just on the end of a long line.good riddance !
@lexxstrum
3 ай бұрын
I still need someone to explain to me why they threw the resource that is Zora and the Spore Drive away, so a thousand years later a refuge from another fallen Federation can have some nice moments with the Zora Voice actress? It's not like the guy from Calypso was taking Discovery to rebuild the Federation. They were working so hard to drop hints of a Calypso tie in that you can't imagine there's any other purpose for this deliberate stranding but that. It seems like they just wanted to snip that thread, so they did this.
@JohnVance
3 ай бұрын
Yeah I mean plot reasons obviously, but in-universe I think they hinted the explanation is that Kovich knows Craft is important somehow in the future. Who knows how far into the future he's seen or even been. Craft would have died without Discovery being where it was, so he must be important somehow, in some timeline at least.
@Sephiroth144
3 ай бұрын
To make the Short Trek canon; that's it. In universe? Maybe the "Craft" hint that (presumably) Daniels got was misinterpreted or overstated... And, perchance (most likely) we only saw the beginning on Craft's story, so the ending would be much more... satisfying. (Also, if I remember, he was actually fighting against The/A Federation (V'draysh being a pidgin'd term for Federation)...) Personally, I would've preferred it was just an alternate timeline (one that perhaps split off during the Red Angel Timejump) but que sera. (That is, of course, if Craft wasn't essentially Book and they rewrote what happened before/after the Time Jump)
@LegendslayX
3 ай бұрын
To retcon a reason why it was abandoned in the calypso episode. The how/why were meant to be next season’s arc but since it was cancelled, they had to do it this way.
@qubex
3 ай бұрын
@@Sephiroth144 "che sarà"
@dupersuper1938
3 ай бұрын
@@Sephiroth144 No, I'm glad it's not an alternate timeline. I'm multiversed out these days.
@afoolandhismoneychannel
3 ай бұрын
So what was the reason to de-refit the ship before discarding it in space?
@internationalvibe
3 ай бұрын
I guess set the stage for the events of Calypso to still occur, which would mean those events would take place in like, the 41st Century?
@roy1701d
3 ай бұрын
I'm thinking Daniels/Kovich needed a place to stash Zora and/or the spore drive for some mysterious Red Directive yet-to-be-revealed timey-wimey reason. Maybe we'll find out in Section 31 or Starfleet Academy. 🙂🖖
@triforcegaming2678
3 ай бұрын
To tie up a loose end. 🤷 We would've found out in a Season 6.
@christopherluke9658
3 ай бұрын
lol “What’s all the fuss Voyager?” Don’t tell Janeway either.
@mineofilms
3 ай бұрын
I actually did not like this last season. It started boring and ended boring. I thought at some point this was going to be about canceling out the burn which destroyed most Star Trek for what? 200-300 years of potential lore? We virtually will never be able to visit that era of Trek and if we do, we are stuck with those rules. Since Discovery showing up in the future fixes them not being in TOS lore doesn’t fix anything from the time of the Burn to now. Story-wise I also thought this was a weak season. This season had more in common with Super Mario Bros and/or video games in general with leveling up each episode or each level getting a little harder. Each episode was a virtual duplicate of the last till we get to the finale. IDK. I just thought they were trying to end it on some sort of Trek-lore moment since this show lacked much of standard Trek lore. I liked season 2-4. Season 1 was hard to swallow. Season 2, while I did like was too much Matrix/Terminator vs Starfleet. The Burn makes zero sense and a really poor choice as a story device. Seasons 3 and 4 while good make no sense either. Hey, 2200’s Star Fleet can function in the 3100s with a ship that is a mix of new and old tech, a crew that is out of time and it just works seamlessly. They save Starfleet and the probably the galaxy, what 2 or 3 times, twice in the 3100s? Yeah… NO… As much as I liked the tone and some aspects of the show this did not work well for me as STAR TREK. SNW is the only Trek show that actually feels like Trek. Tying in a short-trek episode which most did not see unless they are really into the social media aspects of following Trek was also a little questionable. Between the Kelvin timeline, this, SNW and Picard, Trek-lore is all over the place. Not as bad as where Star Wars is right now but not exactly in a good place. Picard season 3 did a great job of trying to fix most of it but you cannot fix years and hours of bad ideas in a handful of episodes that touch on these things as easter eggs. Trek needs to go in a different direction. Stop breaking the lore and just work within the arches you already have. Nearly 60 years of Star Trek and this is what they come up with…
@stingyblue8189
3 ай бұрын
It was on 5 seasons, so it was successful from that standpoint. (Of course, it was on streaming service. So, only hardcore fans would pay a monthly subscription to see it. It wouldn’t have lasted that long on TV although it debut on CBS. ) Ultimately, it failed in its mission to tell story of the Federation during the ten years before Kirk took over the Enterprise.
@prashank
3 ай бұрын
I think they sent discovery back in time to 23rd century, that's why they stripped it back to technology appropriate for that time. For whatever reason that craft guy thing needed to happen? Maybe they found another discovery waiting for them in 32nd century so they had to complete the loop. I guess we will never know. It's probably was just about closing that short trek loophole. But they unfortunately created more questions.
@bugsyplays3560
3 ай бұрын
I really hope there is a better explanation for leaving Zora out wherever she is. Even if it's a different timeline to Calypso, Craft must be important somehow and Daniels must know why.
@deralbtraumritter8573
3 ай бұрын
I find it stupid that that tech can’t bring someone back to life or make a clone with their memories intact. There’s prescience in Star Trek that they can make clones with memories. Also is that Progenitor Michael meets her great great great ancestor?!
@dupersuper1938
3 ай бұрын
I mean, why would it? That's not what it was designed for at all.
@RandomGamer-qy6ys
2 ай бұрын
My thought is that one day cannon will catch up to the discovery time time eventually…. Or am I being stupid what will happen then 😂😂
@TheGreatVandoly
3 ай бұрын
So… with the progenitors tech/advanced lab being thrown into a black hole, what happens to all of the planets that were connected to it through the labs portals? It bugs me that they didn’t even consider all of those MANY worlds and what COULD happen to them by doing this.
@GreenBlueWalkthrough
3 ай бұрын
Sounds like it was the best ending discovery could have gotten but even then it was just good... Kinda reminds me pf enterpirse and Yoyeger just more polisering then both combind... Still I'm glad it was a thing and I'm glad we have the 32nd century now.
@MichaelCravatt
3 ай бұрын
Rick... Grand Master of turd polishing. * That's a compliment, Rick. You actually make this dumpster fire seem watchable to someone who has not seen it.
@grahamturner1290
Ай бұрын
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@Iceflkn
3 ай бұрын
Oh please, we knew they weren't going to be allowed to keep their shiny new toy! 🫤
@Hagen-HenrikKowalski
3 ай бұрын
the new starfleet uniform looks weirdly like thy orville. I liked seasons 1 and 2 but when they started thanking each other for every little thing it became annoying i thing its good that its over
@sardonicspartan9343
3 ай бұрын
Thank Odin this trash is over
@helixfire64
3 ай бұрын
I was hoping that they’d use the progenitors power to give Zora a living body… but overall I’m happy with how it ended
@farfetchleek9821
3 ай бұрын
The progenitor tech should have been a recipe for biscuits.
@LegendslayX
3 ай бұрын
In all, I enjoyed the series. Wasn’t a huge fan of season 1 but I am glad I stuck with it. I also think they should have ended it at Saru’s wedding with Burnham beaming out for another red directive. Everything else could have been left open for interpretation and potential future series
@TheInternetHelpdeskPlays
3 ай бұрын
The best series of Discovery, given how much of a low bar it was, that wasnt difficult
@socialkruption
3 ай бұрын
An absolute trash fire that didn't deserve anything beyond 2 seasons and should've been canceled. The fact I don't see much merch for this or anything else related to Kurtzman speaks volumes on how bad his shows are. Hopefully the next trek has actual writers whom are writers first and activists second. It's sad when an MMO of all things has better trek stories than actual canon.
@gothpunkboy89
3 ай бұрын
So your measure of success how how many toys and shirts you see?
@socialkruption
3 ай бұрын
@@gothpunkboy89 I see you're new at this, try and think WHY I said it that way and deduce it from there.
@gothpunkboy89
3 ай бұрын
@@socialkruption My deduction is that you are looking for any pathetic excuse of a reason to validate your complaints. All because you don't have any actual legitimate arguments that haven't been torn apart time and time again. So now you are grasping for reasons.
@socialkruption
3 ай бұрын
@@gothpunkboy89 haha you just proven my point. Your lack even the simplest deduction when I say "M-E-R-C-H-A-N-D-I-S-E" says it all. Why do you think companies aren't making merchandise for the IP like they did in the old days? Your welcome for the spoon feeding :-)
@gothpunkboy89
3 ай бұрын
@@socialkruption Proved what point? Merchandiser doesn't tell how good or how popular something is. The Rise of Skywalker has generally been considered a bad movie. But Disney marketed the heck out of it. Does that mean it is one of the best movies ever made because Disney made so much merchandise out of it? Generally speaking not everything gets super marketed. Bojack Horseman for example is considered one of the best netflix original series and it has almost no merch. Archer was another series that was really popular but had almost no offical merch. Bob's Burgers is another really popular show that has very little merch behind it.
@johnsledge3942
3 ай бұрын
Not a 10/10 finale, but not bad. I really liked the Kovich/Daniels reveal! That makes the new Archer Station more potent for him I'm sure, Kovich owes a whole lot to Archer. I do wonder how old he is though, if my math is right he'd definitely have to be well over 150 years old in Discovery (unless he time traveled a bit.) I suppose with medical tech and the temporal Cold War, either is a believable possibility. Daniels also said to Archer in Enterprise that he was only “mostly” human and that he had “lived many years and lived many lives” so that could be an explanation.
@Sephiroth144
3 ай бұрын
And its likely he gets bounced around a little; no need to be here for this decade- lemme find the fast forward button (or cryotube)
@ManabiLT
3 ай бұрын
We know that variant timeline versions of people can be integrated as well, like with the version of Captain Braxton that tried to destroy Voyager, so he could have memories of dozens, even hundreds, of alternate timeline Daniels, making him even older mentally than physically.
@t803586
3 ай бұрын
The show was a complete waste time money energy it added nothing new to the law it was completely trash. 😂 junk
@matthewst537
3 ай бұрын
Season 2 was still the best but man that series finale finally concluded years amount of shit
@marvelboy74
3 ай бұрын
When I saw the episode was a bit longer, I realized there were doing a bit more to tie up the series. I just didn't expect all of what they did. The "reunion" in Michael's mind was bittersweet but nice to see Bryce there along with Owo and Detmer. I know the bridge crew wasn't the focus so it is nice we get to see them one final time. Also, I hope Tilly is in the new Academy series because we never did get much on the potential boyfriend angle. Hopefully that comment about her being the longest Academy instructor means we will see more of her. I think Discovery has always suffered from too many characters and not enough time for all of them.
@TimothyMorigeau
3 ай бұрын
I enjoyed this the most out of the seasons I watched. I liked the moments with the progenitor and Burnham when she explained the different ways some people find meaning in life. Great way to end this series!
@TheFreelancer131
3 ай бұрын
well disco was consistent to the last at least, see guys fan ficts can be constant throwing what came before in the trash right up to the very last ep lol
@庭旭兰
3 ай бұрын
After 30-40 years,the only progress we see of the UFP is that they build two more headquarters and more old type ships
@doubt3430
3 ай бұрын
i know they probably wont see more the the 32c for a very long time but i would like to see what will happen with zora the relationship between a ship and her crew can be explored when the ship is sentient in of itself and is about to get a new body
@Shakes_The_Clone
3 ай бұрын
Been looking forward to this. Your “recaps” have been my go-to this year. Glad I found you.
@andrewdelaittre1132
3 ай бұрын
Didn’t this show end a couple of years ago?
@CertifiablyIngame
3 ай бұрын
No? I think they took 1 year off once however
@MeNoOther
3 ай бұрын
The Discovery is sending the Breen to Shakari, the place where God is trap, like a jack in the box. The center of the universe, not the edge
@dupersuper1938
3 ай бұрын
He said the Galactic Barrier, not the Great Barrier.
@patecar20
3 ай бұрын
I felt like they left discovery where it was, in the shape it was, to go back in time. It wasn't being decommissioned but undertaking a new mission.
@midniteoyl8913
3 ай бұрын
It appeared to be going to where it was found in the Discovery Short..?
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