hehe, Wanderbots is teaching about crimes and forgiveness while playing as a cult leader who sacrifices people because they're old X)
@D00M3R-SK8
2 жыл бұрын
this was a common practice with my ancestors, although the old people would throw themselves off a cliff as to not be a burden. TBH my ancestors were from a time of expansion and we needed more fertile lands, so we raided. The whole religion from those times was created in order to breed hardy people that would fight to the death.
@isaacmayer-splain8974
2 жыл бұрын
@@D00M3R-SK8 you from Norway or one of those countries where the Norse conquered?
@D00M3R-SK8
2 жыл бұрын
@@isaacmayer-splain8974 They raided here (mostly Finnish I think) but also were given lands to farm. They were more South of where I'm from, but I still have some Finnish DNA. I live North of Hadrians wall as well. No one really ever managed to conquer these lands. The Romans just put up a wall and called it a day, ha ha. Vikings claimed a lot of land South of here though, Most of South Tyneside and North Yorkshire.
@notchomomma239
2 жыл бұрын
Most people using predatory practices are incredibly charismatic people and use said charisma to get away with their unethical behavior more often than not.
@joshuniacke2442
2 жыл бұрын
Hey wander, I found your channel a while back from vampire survivor and recently you’ve become a fixture in my daily routine, it’s rad that you’re a left leaning pro worker indie game KZitemr and your taste in games is similar to mine, just wanted to let you know you’ve been helping me stay sane and calm while I’m house sitting a old big ass house alone whilst being terrified of the dark, much love
@wanderbots
2 жыл бұрын
Dude, I could never live in a big old house like that. My imagination would fill the place with all sorts of horrors.
@masterofthedragoons
2 жыл бұрын
This episode should have been named "Political Talk Time" there was WAY more of it than mushrooms that's for sure. :D
@alexm6653
2 жыл бұрын
you don't get it... you talk about deep stuff when you're high af
@captainstroon1555
2 жыл бұрын
On the separating art from artist thing, one of the most famous examples are Hitler's paintings. Just because they were painted by a horrible person doens't change that they are decent artworks, but I would for sure never hang one of them in my home. There are more than enough paintings from far more pleasant people to choose from.
@wanderbots
2 жыл бұрын
That's a really solid way of putting it. Would you mind if I paraphrase it next time the topic comes up?
@captainstroon1555
2 жыл бұрын
@@wanderbots I wouldn't mind at all. It is an interesting topic and everyone enjoying art should at least have an opinion on it. I'm glad you're talking about such topics and I'm really enjoying your videos.
@Ashtari
2 жыл бұрын
@@wanderbots The issue unfortunately is, in that particular case most definitely, there's a certain subset of people who almost worship him and would certainly collect those paintings for nefarious reasons. And that's part of why it's so hard to separate art from artist. They use these art pieces as centerpieces of what is essentially a cult from which they rebirth the artist's hatred and bad behavior.
@annikahstebben4425
2 жыл бұрын
I feel like it's also easier when said artist is dead aswell. HP Lovecraft isn't making any money anymore. JK Rollin is still making money and useing it to do harm
@shibadawn
2 жыл бұрын
I find it possible to dissociate with the creator as long as I'm not allowing them to profit. So if I already have something of theirs that I enjoy, I'm not going to throw it away, but I'm not gonna buy anything new from them either. I can't if it includes their voice or face though, like an actor or KZitemr.
@zacharyfalvo2998
2 жыл бұрын
This whole episode I was just thinking "Okay Wander, go off" Mad respect for you just speaking your mind on stream and being yourself. You've easily become one of my top KZitemrs and I just started watching you recently.
@D00M3R-SK8
2 жыл бұрын
LoL, his favourite follower turned on him for talking politics. I prefer people keep that stuff out of their lets play videos. I'm here to see the game, not talk about John Tron (LoL) like I get he probably has to keep a certain mindset to not get cancelled himself, but at the same time I just don't care for political talk these days. I see it as talking points set by the upper class in order to drive a wedge in-between the lower classes to make us easier to control. My own politics are not something I ever really bring up, because it's my opinion for me, and I'm not here to try and convert people. Honestly I almost stopped watching when he started with that... hope it's not a regular thing.
@zacharyfalvo2998
2 жыл бұрын
@@D00M3R-SK8 when did he really get into politics? I don't remember him ever mentioning anything about reformation with the system, or taxes, or even Dems/Repubs, etc.
@D00M3R-SK8
2 жыл бұрын
@@zacharyfalvo2998 someone's politics is their beliefs. it doesn't just involve the government. common misconception.
@zacharyfalvo2998
2 жыл бұрын
@@D00M3R-SK8 then... What? You don't want someone... Sharing their beliefs? Like, in their videos, in general? I figured you meant government politics because that I could've atleast gotten behind. But why shouldn't Wander discuss his beliefs in his let's play? I mean, not only freedom of speech and whatnot, but it's his let's play. If he wants to talk about what he believes (which, too be frank, isn't even anything radical like usurping the government or forcing people to believe what he does), than why shouldn't he?
@cakemeister6485
2 жыл бұрын
@@D00M3R-SK8 You're the chud who got banned, aren't you?
@Ajehy
2 жыл бұрын
One of the best examples of honest redemption was Bartolomé de las Casas, a Spanish landowner in Hispaniola in the 1500’s. Like most invaders at the time, he was a racist, abusive monster… At first. In 1515 he gave up his lands, slaves, and position to become a reformer and one of the most famous early Human Rights activists. He was known as “Defender of the Indians”, argued for their personhood before Charles I of Spain, and succeeded in getting the New Laws passed to protect indigenous peoples. Though his early efforts were somewhat misguided and sloppy (he argued for black & white slaves at first before condemning slavery altogether), he improved over time & spent 50 years fighting for human rights.
@vineheart01
2 жыл бұрын
Devolver and Klei are the two names in the Indie scene that when i see i go "ooooh whats this one?" - i'm eagerly awaiting Klei's new one, looks like their take on CastleCrashers Theyve had some lesser games, but never stinkers imo.
@billnyetheaquaticfly
2 жыл бұрын
Bleb
@D00M3R-SK8
2 жыл бұрын
reminds me I need to buy the Klei bundle for 2022. I only need the oxygen not included DLC from it though, so it's just paying a few quid to get the DLC. I hope there's more in next years one. Their steam bundles are great, but once you have all their games, not much left to get from them.
@Samara_Cynders
2 жыл бұрын
Wasn't Enter the Gungron on PS+ a few years back, though? 🤔
@D00M3R-SK8
2 жыл бұрын
@@Samara_Cynders maybe, but it would have been a long time after it was first released I would imagine. also I think gungeon was one of their first big games, right? I can't remember TBH.
@theredvelvetyfox8814
2 жыл бұрын
I have always found it weirdly interesting how many people seem to have a "rules for thee but not for me" kind of mentality where they suggest everyone else should do something but they won't do it themselves.
@lyefrets
2 жыл бұрын
Racism and homophobia aren't political issues, they're human rights issues, and flip anyone who tries to make them political. Live and let live. I appreciate you wander for calling the person out and setting clear standards for what you will and won't tolerate. Many kudos! I watch your content often on KZitem, but I may jump in on twitch if I happen to see you live!
@alexnoman1498
2 жыл бұрын
Lovecraft for me is not interesting for the mythos but for his writing. So yes, he spawned something amazing but only his works interest me because of stylistic reasons. Guy was a walking thesaurus. More collective mythologies should exist, though (really hard with 120+ year copyright), which weirdly enough franchises like Warhammer and StarWars EU did quite well. ('weirdly' because of otherwise ridiculously overprotective rights holders)
@TheCompanyVideoLog
2 жыл бұрын
I really do appreciate when Wanderbots stands up for what he believes in and tries to explain in earnest the topic and why he believes it. Please never stop fighting the good fight for compassion, acceptance and understanding. This is why I stick around.
@hatsu3907
2 жыл бұрын
The way he talks about it sounds closeminded as well though. But I guess it's just the current time where you have to virtue signal and say everyone else is/was racist.
@jeremiahsnelson5644
2 жыл бұрын
@@hatsu3907 At what point does he virtue signal? He says that he cannot separate the art from the artist because, as an artist himself, he knows that there is a piece of the artist in everything they do. That's the closest he gets to virtue signaling he gets, and he doesn't even once mention racism. Stop searching for conflict where none currently exists.
@jeremiahsnelson5644
2 жыл бұрын
@@hatsu3907 Also, humans have ALWAYS been about "virtue signaling." From Christians claiming that you must love their God to be a good person, to the Nazis saying that those with blond hair and blue eyes are the superior race. People speaking their beliefs (and especially trying to make others feel bad for not believing that same thing) isn't anything new. Perhaps it's simply that you don't agree with the current messages people are trying to spread? In which case, you would be Virtue Signaling yourself, by making virtue signaling out to be this terrible thing that people shouldn't do.
@jeremiahsnelson5644
2 жыл бұрын
@@hatsu3907 I forgot he talked about HP Lovecraft. Who is, in fact, objectively racist, not to mention classist.
@hatsu3907
2 жыл бұрын
@@jeremiahsnelson5644 I get that by today's standard he was racist, classist and most likely a misogynist as well. However you can't judge people soley based on your own circumstances/enviroment/time period. You can't really fault a person for their upbringing and enviroment they grew up in either. I probably had more of an issue with the fact that he cannot at all separate the art from the artist. That's like saying medicine that helps people cannot be used because it was made with poison as an ingredient. I guess I was just irked by the blanket statement.
@wagz781
2 жыл бұрын
On the lovecraft thing: The dude was pretty standard for his time on the one hand, and just generally xenophobic on the other. It wasn't even based on race lines. He was just genuinely terrified of everyone equally including other britanic and european ethnicities. Hell, the shadow over innsmouth storyline was largely spawned from his fear of potentially being part welsh. Which is why it ends like it does. It's pretty morally dubious to judge someone by completely different standards to their own time and then try to be like "they CHOSE to be shitheels" when... they didn't really know it was a bad thing. I'll remind you that this was a time period when minorities were not even considered people, let alone cared about in any capcity greater than what we might think of farm equipment with. The fact that he toned down his xenophobic takes later on in life when one of his few friends informed him that what he was doing was, in fact, not ok suggests he was largely doing it out of lack of education mixed with fear. In fact his later works suggest he was trying to come to grips with the unknown to some degree. Trying to understand the things that were alien to him, and so feared and reviled in his early years. If he were born today, he'd probably be your average tumblrite or twitter goblin with a laundry list of mental health issues almost as long as their terribly drawn webcomic that they've kept going on sheer bitterness and spite alone for an unreasonable length of time. Agoraphobia, discalcia, clinical depression, intense social anxiety, severe ptsd, and a few I'm sure more studious lovecraft historians can correct me on. I'm not going to sit here and say that the things back then were morally acceptable. Howard and many others like him are now understood to not be moral paragons upholding the aryan race. We've progressed a fair bit as a society since then. No, his modern contemporaries have learned subtlety and being aggressively offended for those woefully incompetent, infantile minorities they oh so graciously make a show of protecting. While it suits them anyway. However, what I will correct is that many people take the understanding that howard grew up in a different time, with different standards when we enjoy his works. Because we can disconnect ourselves from the hatred and biggotry within his works to enjoy the stories in their entirety. Eldritch horror was born of xenophobia, and is characterized as horror of the unknown. What better father than someone that is utterly terrified of everything to the point of hatred?
@DiminutiveJerry
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah it was hard to watch that part because, like, it wasn't some kind of self-grown racism where other people shunned him for it, people at the time were ALL like that for the most part, and the fact that it was toned down AT all is a sign that he was relatively """":"progressive"""""
@LugborG
2 жыл бұрын
Having witnessed the exact same thing before the internet was widespread, I can say that his beliefs are very reminiscent of “my parents acted this way, society seems to agree with them, and I have no conflicting sources of information, therefore this must be correct.” It wasn’t, but given how hard it was to get information around back then, I can understand where the beliefs came from, because I think just about everyone would be incredibly racist and xenophobic if that’s what they were raised in with no outside influence.
@wanderbots
2 жыл бұрын
I think I'll stop bringing up/responding to Lovecraft when it comes to this topic, at least I read more about this. Was he afraid of his potential Welsh heritage, or for being treated like other Welsh? Cause even for the times, what England did to the Welsh was pretty vile.
@wagz781
2 жыл бұрын
@@wanderbots as far as I'm aware he was afraid of his potential welsh heritage as he viewed it as sullying his pride as a pure-blooded englishman. To be honest, there were a lot of hot takes in the vid, many of which were ill informed and born from willful ignorance and lack of a desire to listen to people. Sounds the same, I know. It's not. You even seemed to subconsciously notice you were being close minded on some topics yourself. Which, fair, not everyone's in the mood to debate hotbutton topics with random shitheels on the internet.
@Leadvest
2 жыл бұрын
It's complicated, killing the author has long been discussed by people smarter than us. "It was a different time" and yet history is filled with good people like Saladin, and bad people like Temyjin. On the other hand, I know from personal experience that people don't become monsters overnight. A lot of people I know have parents who were previously perfectly sane, having jumped on crazy bandwagons like anti-vax in their old age. One of my own experiences with this is Jeremy Blacks work sliding in quality, and his friendships evaporating. As he succumbed to his baser urges, and bloating ego over time. I have a hard time reconciling how much I enjoyed his early work with how much I can't forgive him for all the things he did. With Ryan, we always thought his evil persona was a bit, and enjoyed it as part of the group dynamic. Looking back it's just weird to think about. People also make mistakes, but if they refuse to learn from failure, or hear input, or don't care that they're hurting someone. It's not a mistake anymore, it's a choice. I agree with the sentiment that the artist lives in their art. You can't separate Stevie Nicks' emotions from Landslide, it wouldn't be the same song anymore.
@Talestale
2 жыл бұрын
at 5:26 you can break the statue for some stone but manly for the satisfaction of doing it
@ThomasBD
2 жыл бұрын
You can also break the training dummies for some wood
@Talestale
2 жыл бұрын
@@ThomasBD cool
@tokabe3826
2 жыл бұрын
The only time I've ever heard them called 'chicken tendies' personally was watching Steins Gate.
@D00M3R-SK8
2 жыл бұрын
only ever heard chicken tendies from the memes that originated at 4chan (TBH all memes originate from 4chan, most people just don't want to admit that their humour comes from there, Lol. it's pathetic really the way we treat people because of differing opinions) all humour of the past 2 generations is derived from 4chan, but on the same hand everyone who peddles this style of humour in the mainstream absolutely hates 4cdhan users. It's actually quite funny to watch from the outside.
@patrickstonecrusher
2 жыл бұрын
Don't look at art as a product of an artist but as a child of the artist. Art should be allowed to have a life outside of their creators.
@TheCrazyTalkKid
2 жыл бұрын
Death of the Artist always seemed like a bit of a cop out to me. No man is an island anymore than any work is made in an intellectual vacuum.
@vineheart01
2 жыл бұрын
Speaking as a pastor's kid for christians, your views on that topic hit the nail on the head. It doesnt bother me to talk about this stuff because i believe such sensitivity is the main reason its such a problem these days; if something does come up that bothers me i dont show it because these conversations NEED to be had. My dad is retiring now, and basically the district said "You can retire or we will remove you" because he didnt care for the 'business' side of it, and thats all they cared about. I had to bite my tongue when he told me that. Kinda funny this is on a game about a Cult, but Religion is basically a legal and not quite AS drastic cult. Only religion tries to convert people, only religion gives a shit about what other people are doing in their own time, only religion tries to punish those who are curious/ask questions (in a broad term, yes non-religious people sometimes do that but 99% of the time i guarantee theyre some hyper religious person if they act that way). I tried for several years to find a church when i moved out, hoping that it was just the small-town churches my dad pastored was the problem. It wasnt, if anything they were the easy-going ones. Nothing but hate for difference, disdain for slight opinion shifts, and extreme desire to control. I said screw that and stopped trying, and ive been much happier since. For every legit, good religious person that actually yaknow read the bible properly (i.e. noticed the part that we are supposed to not follow the old testament teachings...) and is a wonderful, kindhearted person, theres 10000 hypocrites. Sorry, i know you commented you dont really wanna hear others opinions, but i had to say it.
@jackgeorge9478
2 жыл бұрын
Im an atheist, for anyone who wants totell me im going to hell go ahead I don’t care, and not against religion, only the kind like what you mentioned, where it is oppressive and mainly there to force people to do what they want
@chorranthu5746
2 жыл бұрын
Personally, as it regards the whole "separating the artist from their work", I'm of the opinion that conversation doesn't *start* until the author cannot actually profit from their work. Like, the Lovecraft debate is a worthwhile one, to me, because his work is public domain, and thus even independent of the entire genre's worth of works that ultimately derive from his writings, purchasing his books does not financially support his implicitly highly biased views anymore. On the flipside, I personally can't in good conscience continue to engage with the Harry Potter franchise because it provides substantial financial incentive to JK Rowling, and tacitly condoning her views. In short, an artwork in its original form is inseparable from the artist while the artist still profits off the artworks' success. And even then, depending on the author and the work in question, it should be an ongoing debate as to whether or not it is worth attempting to separate an artist from their work on a case-by-case basis.
@DkKombo
2 жыл бұрын
If I were to do art, I would try my best to separate it from myself as a medium. At some point, when I did it becomes someone else's property. But at the same time my art is also me. However I don't want people involved in my personal life and faults. If were to do art, I want it to be a representation of me seperate from my self.
@CallaSoreon
2 жыл бұрын
Separation of the art and the artist only works on a case by case basis. If someone is actively using their platform/money to harm people through things like spreading misinformation (JK Rolling) then death of the artist doesn't work because that person is still receiving your money. If the artist is already dead like HP Lovecraft they aren't getting your money so go ahead a buy their stuff.
@lordthor5951
2 жыл бұрын
Very much agree with that, I do think that a persons work can still be a good thing and should be appreciated if it have a good message in spite of how much of a piece of shit they are, but I will wait with advertising that until the money doesn't go to a shit cause anymore. Meaning the author is actually dead and the money goes to better people or the author becomes a better person. Orson Scott Card is a good example of this, I think his messaging about understanding and communication in Enders Game is great, I am just not going to recommend people the books, until he stop being a giant homophobe and donating his money to anti-LGBTQ+ causes, or well he dies depending on where the money goes.
@CallaSoreon
2 жыл бұрын
@@lordthor5951 He... he wrote a book about understanding and doesn't have enough of it himself to not be a homophobe?! People are fucking wild...
@D00M3R-SK8
2 жыл бұрын
you can only separate the art from the artist if the art in question is not riddled with their politics. if their "art" is mostly propaganda for their politics then it's impossible to separate the two.
@colebehnke7767
2 жыл бұрын
@@D00M3R-SK8 that’s why we should get rid of IP laws, that way if an author creates a bad work, anyone can take the good parts and make something better. Or in other words, death to the author! Long live the new author!
@lordthor5951
2 жыл бұрын
@@D00M3R-SK8 I would argue that if their work is riddled with their politics then its a work with those political leanings independently of who the author is. If a work presents PoC as subhumans and separate the art from the artist you are still going to be left with a work that present PoC as subhumans.
@thepsychocat7911
2 жыл бұрын
Part 5? Poor wander is still tired after waking up it seems.
@theguywiththeoldds3896
2 жыл бұрын
Part 5 was so good he made it twice
@sneexygirl1443
2 жыл бұрын
I had to take a second look to make sure I wasn't going nuts lol
@jackmendecino8255
2 жыл бұрын
Nuts? No sleep deprived yes. New deck outside the office? Yes!
@MissMultiConsole
2 жыл бұрын
he fixed it!
@wanderbots
2 жыл бұрын
It's been 95-100 here every day and only drops down to the high 70's at night, and since I don't have AC I've been pretty nonfunctional for the past week or so. I'm shocked I haven't made more mistakes.
@eliotoole4534
Жыл бұрын
40:46 thank you (Any/all)
@blakezummo264
Жыл бұрын
It's super cool to have found your series, it's great to fall asleep to and pushed me to deciding I'm gonna ask for Cult of the Lamb for Christmas. You're a nice youtuber and I hope my comment helps you in the algorithm
@LimboWolf667
2 жыл бұрын
The music in the runs make me think of the music they play when you're against Leshy's ultimate boss form in Inscyption. Couldn't find out where I heard it before till today.
@linsbin6084
2 жыл бұрын
Came for the new game content, stayed because of how respectful and wonderful you are. As someone who wants to become a game dev, hearing someone be so passionate about holding companies accountable when they're shitty was so refreshing, hearing compassion when it comes to redemption was uplifting and as a trans man I smiled so wide when you said Trans Rights without a shred of hesitation. You are not only a great entertainer but a great person too.
@brendagausby6930
2 жыл бұрын
About the whole, would you read a book by a serial killer type thing. Depending on if the book was about what the person was going through mentally during the time in which they did those things then. While I would be kinda unnerved I feel like I would also kinda connect with the person on a deeper level and would be interested in what they were feeling like during that time. Also as a person I always feel that if you judge someone by one bad thing they did in their life then you haven't seen the real them in their entirety. I don't know maybe some acts deserve cruel punishment but for me it just kinda feels, wrong. Anyway great vid wander.
@wanderbots
2 жыл бұрын
I'm usually less bothered by one-off mistakes or ill acts that a person tries to move on from or atone for. It's the people that show a consistent pattern of terrible behavior that I take specific umbrage with. And while occasionally reading a book by a serial killer (or comparably similar terrible acts) can potentially be enlightening, I'd argue that filling one's personal library with books by and about these people might be a really bad sign.
@bovinaric6882
2 жыл бұрын
Nothing brings me greater comfort than knowing the content creator I support believes so strongly in human rights thank u Wander
@WorstGamer92
2 жыл бұрын
I'm not american...but everything i've ever read about the Florida thing was that it meant to ban any talk about any type of sexual orientation with small kids (like kindergarten and elementary school kids), not just gay relationships...which sounds like a fair point to me :/
@ElectraFresh67
2 жыл бұрын
nope it was for all grades including highschool
@WorstGamer92
2 жыл бұрын
@@ElectraFresh67 the stuff that i've read only specifically mentioned kindergarten and up to 3rd grade and then it gets somewhat subjective in the interpretation, but bringing stuff like this in high school would be nonsensical...i mean...i tought americans had sex ed in high school and at that point, talking about orientation would be mandatory
@wanderbots
2 жыл бұрын
And selectively only punished LGBTQ people/representation.
@WorstGamer92
2 жыл бұрын
Bans talk about sexual orientation ---> It selectively harms LGBT I fail to see how (serious talk)
@TheNextDecade244
2 жыл бұрын
@@WorstGamer92 Because that's how it was applied. The law only matters when it is applied and only in how it is used, and when the law is exclusively used to ban LGBT sexual orientations while pretending to be overall about sexual orientation, without actually banning or ceasing any discussion about the "normative" sexual orientation., well... that's the only conclusion you can get from it.
@matthuck378
2 жыл бұрын
It's a lot easier for me to look past an artist's actual beliefs/actions and just "enjoy their work for its own sake" when they're dead. Like HPL.
@anthonystarkey587
2 жыл бұрын
Love hp love craft and his stories but dude was a super racist
@drewmarteny1495
2 жыл бұрын
i am more willing to separate the art from the artist is the artist is already deceased
@draggonic
2 жыл бұрын
Fully agree with you on most of what you said regarding rights, which is extremely refreshing to see in a creator. Though I personally am of the opinion that no matter how bad the original work, the community around it can make it something that the original author ISN'T part of, one of the reasons I enjoy lovecraftian stuff isnt because of the man himself but because the elaborations that people he's known or even weird headcanons and fanfictions I've read have incorporated. It's the same with Harry Potter, looking back its a very...I don't want to say its a bad world but its very questionable (slave races, mind wiping government, "everyone in this specific school house is evil", etc.) and yet some of the works I've read made by people completely unrelated to Rowling are incredible, hell I literally have something on my watchlist about Gordon Ramsay being inserted into the setting to add some much needed support to the children.
@adrensamoth4337
2 жыл бұрын
A lot of people don’t want to hear creators’ politics. I do. It’s important to me that I know that I share values and morals with the people I watch. Love ya Wander, thanks for supporting everyone being themselves.
@PolarKnight404
2 жыл бұрын
Wanderbot you are over clearing in your crusades, you cult is hurting while you pick up grass you will never use (you have so much)
@wanderbots
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I figured that out as soon as I started to do 2-depth runs. The time limit is real.
@th_EmeraldSlime
2 жыл бұрын
Just got to this video I think this might be my favorite wanderbots video
@midas2215
2 жыл бұрын
Wanderbots? More like WanderBASED
@rawrthedinosawr9659
2 жыл бұрын
absolutely based take on not being able to separate art from the artist
@D00M3R-SK8
2 жыл бұрын
The Twitch integration is cool. If this game wasn't already going to be popular, it will not because of this... I've never seen a game with such integration (but then I don't go on twitch so I don't get to see this stuff very often)
@zamboy2172
2 жыл бұрын
Hey @Wanderbots did you know that if you make a dissenting follower eat minced follower meat it has a 75 percent chance to stop the dissenting.
@wanderbots
2 жыл бұрын
I tried. One of my other followers came along and ate it instead.
@Ryanrulesok
2 жыл бұрын
Wander: not eating meat makes you crazy! Explains vegans then
@YouDonkeyfu
2 жыл бұрын
At this point, those people are not having a discussion, they are just trying to push their bullshit as the truth and you are just not gonna have any conversation with those people.
@uribove
2 жыл бұрын
You just gained a TREMENDOUS amount of respect from me! I know in this hateful toxic world on social media it's hard to speak up sometimes, but you still did! Congratulations 😍😍😍
@uribove
2 жыл бұрын
Also the only agenda us gay people have is 1 don't get ra**ed 2 don't get ki**ed 3 don't get ba**ed For being who we are. It's that simple
@ottokucera4145
2 жыл бұрын
Cheers to Wander teaching people how to be reasonable and respect each other!
@kitv8016
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly hell yeah, your answers to questions were really direct and uncompromising. One complaint: you started talking about why Harry Potter sucks, but didn't get to finish that thought
@diversitydiversity-r8n
2 жыл бұрын
29:17 totlly thought he was talking to the outhouse for a second there
@GenocidalSquid
2 жыл бұрын
I mean if ya didn't realize- you just KILLED Barbatos. He deserted, became a boss, and you KILLED him.
@wanderbots
2 жыл бұрын
Dude deserved it. I cherished him and he stabbed me in the back.
@GenocidalSquid
2 жыл бұрын
@@wanderbots Didn’t you NOT have reeducation facilities or prisons??
@wanderbots
2 жыл бұрын
None at the time. Until that point it didn't seem necessary. Alas.
@GenocidalSquid
2 жыл бұрын
@@wanderbots Should keep a closer eye on things- you might lose more and more of your older members because you can't keep grips on them or maintain promised requests.
@wisewolf9814
2 жыл бұрын
I would Never work for those scummy companies for the reason they think they can steal anyone's personal projects. Bad business practices should be an immediate shut down since copyright really does work if used properly. I've had someone demand my project thinking they owned it and didn't miss a beat, and said "Over my dead body". Their shocked expression was hilarious XD. No one owns my stuff but me.
@GemmyDeery
2 жыл бұрын
thank you
@ultrmax3214
Жыл бұрын
Love your content man you mak me so jealous on cult of the lame i want to get this game but low on funs so im saving up for it now cant wait to play it keep up the great work man 😊
@alexnoman1498
2 жыл бұрын
But I don't even know the artists behind most things I enjoy! So many parks, buildings, paintings, vases, decorations, fiction, movies.... thousands of artists whose work I interact with weekly and I don't know a single one of them! How could the artist have any influence over my enjoyment of any of those under those circumstances? Shall I smash my bowls as soon as the potter is fined or jailed? The implications are nuts to me :D
@drewmarteny1495
2 жыл бұрын
i disagree on lovecraft because i view him as merely one of the collective writers of a collective mythos but people chose to over emphasize him
@bigbeezy5056
2 жыл бұрын
Anyone see the part where he literally needed wood to build his stockade and he got extra food which he had plenty of?
@bigbeezy5056
2 жыл бұрын
Ahh, but there was one down the line, I played myself
@IronDino
2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking that as well, especially as the time was ticking past and was saying to myself, 'Guy, just grab the wood and speedrun these levels, you literally don't have all day'.
@jacobfreeman5444
2 жыл бұрын
I think you can enjoy the art divorced from the artist. But you are within your right to say their tainted reputation ruins the experience for you. And an artist should be mindful of their reputation for that very reason.
@notfunny6606
2 жыл бұрын
The amount of games you have played is impressive
@aarongoyvaerts438
2 жыл бұрын
I love you as a creator and a person
@onetiredVODs
2 жыл бұрын
wander whether you are LGBTQ or just an ally i appreciate you for trying your best to be a good person and also making good content and being mindful of others around you
@aselysify
2 жыл бұрын
Just want to let you know you are amazing! Thank you for standing up for what is right and not backing down on your comments! You have become one of my favorite youtubers because of this!
@TurtleKwitty
2 жыл бұрын
"Devolver isthe best indie games publisher in the market" That depends entirely on how much you value the indie /developer/ making the games, Devolver is always taking the entirety of the spotlight away from the developers, hell most peopole dont ever realise that devolveris a publisher rather than just a very efficient developer house, and the vast majority of devolver deals ends with single release indie studios cause they get crushed by that whole having 0 recognition thing and so cant drive their momentum to continuing on
@wanderbots
2 жыл бұрын
I'm not so sure that DD is bad for their published studios brand recognition/continued success. The devs behind Titan Souls, Hotline Miami, Serious Sam, Gungeon, Reigns, Shadow Warrior, Stories Untold, Absolver, Minit, The Messenger seem to all be doing rather well last I checked, are still making games, and will likely continue to work with Devolver. I'm sure there are some issues, but from where I stand I haven't seen any yet.
@TurtleKwitty
2 жыл бұрын
@@wanderbots Given how many games they publish yes some make it out and continue on, but there is a longggggggg string of studios that get lost behind DD. To be clear nit saying they're /bad/ just there's still a lot to be desired from them in terms of pushing the developers they publish forwards rather than themselves, but then again guess that's just capitalism in a nutshell
@travispluid3603
2 жыл бұрын
I agree that you should be who you want to be- except if what you want to be is a rap*st or a Mapper. But I have also heard the stories of people who were pushed by others around them, specifically to transition, even when they didn't actually believe they were in the wrong body. It should be normalized to let you be who you really are, but some communities that seem to elevate it above being normalized, and instead want their personal preferences to be idolized, to be seen as better, more moral, and such. And no, before anyone says it, I don't believe being gay or bi or anything is abnormal. I'm Ace, for example. But others do seem to think that being gay, for example, is a point of pride, like it makes them better than others. Sure, be proud of who you are- but don't think you're better just because you like guys or girls or whatever. You can't define yourself solely around your orientation. That's as shallow as defining yourself solely by your religion, or other aspects. That is my opinion, which was unasked for, but I still felt compared to share.
@DeSpereaux_
2 жыл бұрын
I think that the topic of conversation is a contentious one and I think that it should be that way. Rights do conflict and that conflicting nature is the reason that it is so hard to pin down, I would be worried if an absolute opinion had been reached..
@majormelon8483
2 жыл бұрын
They were probably potheads I guarantee it🤣
@shadowbunny7892
2 жыл бұрын
People who complain about things "getting political" are generally just insecure about the fact that most people seem to disagree with their politics and not people who's opinions you need to take seriously. Keep doing what you're doing.
@Swamprot
2 жыл бұрын
I think it was good and interesting to hear you talk about studios and industry pasta
@LexYeen
2 жыл бұрын
47:01 Your tangent here got me to do the youtube things. You're not close-minded, you're inadvertently following the guidance of the paradox of tolerance - if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant will be seized or destroyed by the intolerant, so you naturally have limits on your tolerance.
@braelonwhitfield_eth1507
2 жыл бұрын
love this game bro bro, start putting your people to work and level them up. there your biggest assets!
@rogercook7699
2 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for this game to come out it's going to be lit and hopefully the launch won't be as bad as no man's sky that one was pretty bad but they made up for it unlike for some companies fallout 76 war zone and every single mobile game that was garbage
@raffyluvmiharu
2 жыл бұрын
You can break the training dummies and the worshiping altar during your run for some resources
@benbuehler4972
2 жыл бұрын
I know I saw Desparados III, a Devolver published game, on the game pass a few months back. I had to play it as part of a college class about game design.
@D00M3R-SK8
2 жыл бұрын
probably a lesser known game or just not a good one that was popular. devolver have stuff that is not as popular... even some of their really good games. they had so many come out pre covid that some fell by the wayside. I can probably name 5 devolver games that are amazing, but never became popular due to market saturation at the time.
@D00M3R-SK8
2 жыл бұрын
stuff like katana zero and my friend pedro that are amazing games, but never seemed to gain the wide spread popularity. they'll likely end up on game pass, too (if they haven't already) I think the messenger did better, but probably in the same ballpark.
@mbncd
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for being clear and standing by your kind and good standards. Good riddance to those who spread that garbage.
@Myrdin90
2 жыл бұрын
Lovecraft was a bad person, and that's important to remember when you read his stories, but the Mythos is not Lovecraft. It can be enjoyed even if the creator was a shit person. It has also evolved beyond him and has been influenced by other authors.
@wimzeekul2147
2 жыл бұрын
over 7,100 languages and you chose to speak facts
@lasyxio1716
2 жыл бұрын
I think you ment part 6 :(
@alex4alexn
2 жыл бұрын
you would be suprised how often company resources are used to fund "own time creations"...the smart person develops and leaves
@wanderbots
2 жыл бұрын
I'm sure that happens quite often, but I'm specifically referring to creations done entirely outside of work that companies still lay claim to. Amazon has/used to have such a clause, with the caveat that any project started beforehand didn't count, leading to the super silly response of developers making extremely basic design documents of all their ideas right before their start date to protect themselves.
@alex4alexn
2 жыл бұрын
@@wanderbots i hear ya, the bigger the company, the worse it is. But they cant monitor who and what people are doing so they just try and cover everything which screws most people over. But those policies are wirtten in stolen games....
@alexnoman1498
2 жыл бұрын
Good Episode, it's always important to hear many views. Even if just to strengthen your own, doesn't matter, discussion is the key.
@johncarlocesista7441
2 жыл бұрын
Part 6?
@rinac885
2 жыл бұрын
Byebye barbatos, you will be missed :'(
@TheVilmango
2 жыл бұрын
I came to see you play found out you are an amazing decent person
@YoungNanner
2 жыл бұрын
I know u went back to the Lovecraft topic before you finished the thought, but as a trans guy I appreciate you mentioning the Harry Potter series with the whole "separating art from the artist" idea because that's a HUGE example of a work that not only has some iffy stuff baked into its original material but also something that the author is now using to fund and justify her rancid ass views.... also gotta say you WENT OFF this episode and I greatly appreciate it.
@atribiliousme9528
2 жыл бұрын
I havent read a word JK Rowling has written, or consumed a single piece of her material since many of those revelations became public and transparent. And I have clearly communicated to my kids and my spouse precisely why. I will not buy or play a blizzard game going forward until there is obvious change in their company culture, obvious and verifiable. And these are reasons I watch Wander. He actively and aggressively embodies a moral standpoint that is nor only adaptive, but moral and logical.
@YoungNanner
2 жыл бұрын
@@atribiliousme9528 hell yeah
@HrtR8
2 жыл бұрын
Dude this episode turned into a political conversation lol I bet Jayden Smith would love this episode hehe
@colebehnke7767
2 жыл бұрын
You just gave a take that I hard disagree with. Death to the author, death to canon. Long live mythology, long live the next author. (God, I hope this doesn’t come across as a death threat or anything, I’m just really passionate about this.)
@lordthor5951
2 жыл бұрын
While I can separate how I like the art from how an artist have behaved, I think a problem with calling "death of the author" when they are still alive is that you are still financially supporting them. If you recommend a movie or buy a book from some ass hat you are still giving the ass hat money and he(or she) is going to spend that money doing ass hat things, or supporting ass hat organisations. I can enjoy stuff by Lovercraft in spite of him being a giant douchebag but if I buy Orson Scott Card books I will have to live with the knowledge that he is going to spend that money harassing LGBTQ+ people.
@felicityhopkins9759
2 жыл бұрын
I knew i liked wanderbots before this episode, having heard his support of trans people i now like him even more.
@hollismccray3297
2 жыл бұрын
It's kind of sad. There's a certain mentality that hates seeing people living a life they don't approve of and thriving. I avoid people like that because I don't need the negativity.
@cpunching
2 жыл бұрын
Transdude here. I think one thing people forget is how far trans rights have moved forward in the last 20 years. I'm in my 30s and when I was a teenager I didn't even know there was FtM trans people - there just was nothing out there other than the rancid ass Ace Ventura or Silence of the Lambs trans women tropes. Took me 15 years to finally get on hormones - "kids these days" are literally able to go out and start transitioning without going through even a fraction of what I did (even if things still aren't perfect), and that's so fucking cool to me. Nowadays I see a lot of the "but they're transing the kids!" shit is like... boomer grandpa dinosaur bullshit. Like the future is now, old man, get with it or get out.
@nevaya6011
2 жыл бұрын
42:50 did he just ban a homophobe? Based af good on you wander!
@wanderbots
2 жыл бұрын
Yup. The guy was arguing that informing kids that non-cishets even exist is somehow equivalent to grooming, so I gave them the boot.
@iemier
2 жыл бұрын
I used to love humble bundle, but they changed how choice monthly actually works and cut the amount of games from 12 to 8, and they're usually pretty mediocre titles.
@theslayerofnobletntl_2385
2 жыл бұрын
I am asking to seeing if my views are toxic or okay cuz personal growth. My view is I want everyone to be themselves but no the the point it's a bother to others. Have your sexuality or religion or both but don't take force it on others. Idk is that a negative stance
@wanderbots
2 жыл бұрын
The thing is, 99.999% of LGBTQ+ people aren't forcing it on anyone else, and the ones that are tend to either be actually mentally ill or just plain fake. Yes there are things like drag queen storytimes, but considering churches get to do the same thing I don't see why it's a problem. They're optional anyway. Most just want to be left alone and to have the same rights as everyone else, but since they're such an easy political target a lot of right wing media keeps making up some seriously heinous garbage about them.
@ChronosX69
2 жыл бұрын
Another entertaining vid but gotta admit that, though I do align with some of your views, I could not help but think a bit of hypocrisy and close mindedness had seeped into your convo. But really respected your engaging with your audience even if you did not agree with them.
@wanderbots
2 жыл бұрын
It's a closed mindedness borne through years of open mindedness. Ultimately when someone wants to argue against human rights, they're not worth listening to. Paradox of tolerance and all that.
@snowyuu1391
2 жыл бұрын
So this is the part 5 I thought was skipped.
@richardduska1558
2 жыл бұрын
16:30 By that logic you will look for the perfect human that never dose anything that you disagree with. And you will never find that.
@himinee
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for speaking your opinions. You talked about a point that is very important to me. By letting children be well educated and exposed to other lifestyles and people who are different than them, those children are harder to influence and are much more capable of making their own opinions AND that those opinions are less likely to be hateful. Close minded people want others to be uneducated and sheltered because otherwise they will be alone with their hate. I know it's hard to talk about tough opinion on the spot period, let alone while playing a game so bravo and thank you for speaking up anyways
@th_EmeraldSlime
2 жыл бұрын
Kar spittin facts
@kingcrafteroderderfahradtu7331
2 жыл бұрын
Holy crap I just had 3 ads in a row. Wtf KZitem?
@danialfahmimnazri9780
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I don't get why people judge and condemn someone for that i may not be gay but I would still respect them just for the fact that they're human and it's also kinda funny when someone is homophobic and says that people who aren't straight are bad or like worship satan but for some reason the people who are gay or lesbian act infinitely better than them most of the time. like dude let them make their own choices
@DuckDecoy13
2 жыл бұрын
Well at least hello games are at least listening to the people for no Man's sky and other games more or less. And they are doing good. Rockstar and GTA v lots of people are getting angry over something I have not been paying attention
@grimmscythe2838
2 жыл бұрын
Hey Wander, great video and content as always, and just a little personal thank you from a NB fan. Speaking out against societal discrimination is never an easy thing, particularly in a public forum, and especially without the anonymity that those who use their negative world views to put down others often rely upon. Thank you for doing even just your own little bit to make this world happier, safer, and more accepting. Again, great video, I can't wait for this game, I'm certainly going to sink far too many hours to justify into this game
@Jinglestv-xz1hu
2 жыл бұрын
Based Wanderbots!
@AnthonyJanthony
2 жыл бұрын
as a person who is trans - holy shit thank you for sticking up for us bcs i have never ever wished that ppl i talked to would become trans and being trans is such a painful experience (for me) i wouldn't want anyone to be forced into it or have to deal with ppl like that guy in ur chat
@johannhawk8471
2 жыл бұрын
I do like to say that you can't separate the artist from the art 100% or 0% but you could do it between 1 or 99%. While they change with time they still put their labor into their work and you can't retroactively remove that.
@Seltar007
2 жыл бұрын
I don’t comment often here on YT, but I have to agree with you regarding the RT drama… I too hold some residual guilt over their business practices and culture of exploitation. Additionally I didn’t expect hearing your opinion on lgbtqia rights, but I’m glad you spoke your mind and gave some reasonable thought to your opinions. So often we as a society want to put everyone into neat little boxes because it’s convenient for selfish people. It’s hard for the naysayers or ‘normal’ people to consider that one persons happiness is not contingent on your comfort level. To hear about your cousins experience is simply awful, and to think that most people related to her would be willing to write someone out of their lives for simply being themselves is the most heartbreaking. A whole family fragmented over something so minuscule is just crazy! I just think about how much they all must miss eachother at least in some way, and how lonely that must feel…
@SilverW01f
2 жыл бұрын
The argument of separating the artist from their art is literally making the same case for auteurship that higher ups at scummy game companies make. Also, Supergiant is still my favorite small studio, even if they've become a lot bigger because of Hades' success. They've made banger after banger since Bastion, and I love that they very much have a style that seeks to inject as much story into their games in unique ways as possible.
@khheroxasoraypowell
2 жыл бұрын
rooster teeth has done a lot of bad the last x years
@virgil258
2 жыл бұрын
Regarding the argument of separating the artist from their works I think it depends on the type of work. I do believe that if someone did something wrong, the law and state will punish them and hopefully reform them instead of having a horde lynch them or the court of public opinion boycotting them. If the work is objectively good than it shouldn’t matter if the artist who made it was good or bad, especially since morality if subjective and depends on societal norms and such. For example if an actor made a great performance in a film than that’s that. Due to this thinking of not separating the artist from their work, many great works were destroyed since they were made by homosexual authors and being homosexual in some eras was considered amoral. Since suicide is considered bad and also not being “body-positive” is, should we boycott, censor or even reach the extreme of destroying works that are objectively good but are made by authors who wanted to kill themselves or forced certain body values on their characters because they believed where the optimal body sizes? I know that Wanderbot just didn’t want to buy or consume works made by people who have a bad personality or committed crimes, but this thinking can easily escalate and lead to catastrophic consequences which I doubt would happen (at least in the next few decades). I do understand his point of view and sometimes share it but I do also believe that we are social animals and as such we have to socialise and be exposed to various opinions or things we don’t like. However instead of censoring them we should try to understand/experience them (if they are worthwhile and are therefore good) and not limit ourselves to our comfort bubble.
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