So… what’s your verdict? What caught you by surprise?
@heminadias5025
3 жыл бұрын
I am still in shock that we can make red with magenta and yellow!!
@mpetersen6
3 жыл бұрын
And magenta is red and blue in the correct ratio with red being the dominant color in the mix. There actually is no specific wavelength of light that corresponds to magenta. The whole field of color theory and the primary color wheel is based on the fact that a light souce when shined through a prism and split into its constituent wavelengths. If the red, yellow and blue are then shined through a second prism they will not split into other colors. Its basic physics and optics. Wishing that magenta and cyan are actual primaries will not make it so. But in the world of color mixing yes it is possible to consider them as such and use them. But really you are just using a mix of the true primaries to get the magenta and cyan. Note this is only true for the actual wavelengths of the primary colors. If we take the reddish portion on the spectrum we will wind up with some blue and yellow. I'll put my virtual soapbox away for now.
@snakedaemongaming6590
3 жыл бұрын
I've known this for the longest time
@snakedaemongaming6590
3 жыл бұрын
Sorry didn't finish writing my comment I was always taught with the cmy as primary, this was due to my uncle being an artist for years and between him and my step father being a photographer They would often argue over it
@snakedaemongaming6590
3 жыл бұрын
Sorry 1 more point to add Although I was taught this from a young age, it actually doesn't mean much to me, I'm slightly colour blind, I don't understand colour at all
@harukastorm4
3 жыл бұрын
I'm an advocate for teaching the CMY colorwheel in school. It's mostly because here in Germany (where I'm from) we learn the color wheel with watercolor and the teachers tell us to only use red, blue and yellow. Therefore all students always end up with muddy purple. But when you ask the teacher why that is, they always tell you that you have to had made a mistake. And it discourages a lot of kids from making art, because they think that they can't make it right, when the actual mistake was the color choice from the teacher. It's just heartbreaking to see young children get frustrated about art and often even quit it completely. Thats not only my experience - every one I talk to about this has the same experience.
@SarahRenaeClark
3 жыл бұрын
I think it’s a shame that some art teachers aren’t aware of the more complex sides of color. I don’t expect kids to be taught CMY in primary school, but it would be beneficial for teachers to at least understand what they are teaching and how/why colors mix the way they do
@harukastorm4
3 жыл бұрын
The way we were taught the RBY colorwheel was also with very specific shades of red and blue. So it wouldn't make a difference changing them to magenta and cyan other that you could mix way more vibrant colors.
@jesterparty6947
3 жыл бұрын
Actually she right the problem is she didn't teach you about temperature. Most blues used in school are cool tones while most reds used in school are warm tones. Thus making a muddy purple what you teacher should have done was talk about split palettes on how colors come in more then one tone.
@MusicalRaichu
2 жыл бұрын
@@jesterparty6947 in my school we used a cool red and warmer blue, so a bit closer to cmy, which broadened the gamut a bit. but greens still turned out yucky. but alas my teacher told me it was my fault for not mixing properly, not because it was impossible to get vivid colours by mixing only three primaries.
@qwmx
2 жыл бұрын
It gets worse when society leave untrained hypocritical teachers to teach art. My year 6 teacher (this is in Australia) used this art idea textbook and told everyone in the class to ONLY use two colours JUST like the picture in the textbook (she even pointed at the areas of the picture) but the one kid that was away on that day, came to class the next day, got told to make the artwork and she made it with rainbow colours and the teacher showed it off, as if like what she did was a masterpiece. The teacher was right, it was beautiful BUT, the teacher herself emphasised to everyone that we're only allowed to use TWO colours (just like the text book), so we had our creativity quashed because we're worried about pissing off a psychotic teacher and the one kid who had no idea what happened, she ended up looking like the most creative kid in class LOL.
@itsgonnabeokai
2 жыл бұрын
Another factor that isn't talked so much about is that magenta and cyan are fairly recent colors, coming from the era of synthetic dyes, and even now the very bright ones are only available as dyes (like ink in printers or makers), not pigments (like watercolor, oil and pretty much all other traditional art media). So when historical color theories were created, cyan and magenta weren't actually available.
@Allyfyn
Жыл бұрын
Yes, and the fact that they don't occur in nature much along with the fact that red and blue came much earlier in language.
@bryanriolo6217
Жыл бұрын
@@Allyfyn 🐂💩
@jaakkotahtela123
Жыл бұрын
@@Allyfyn look above, the sky is cyan
@Allyfyn
Жыл бұрын
@@jaakkotahtela123 it's between cyan and blue and that's only one instance
@jaakkotahtela123
Жыл бұрын
@@Allyfyn that is a very large instance. And the color depends on where you are located. Near the equator it’s a deeper blue but the closer you are from the poles the lighter the color. The color also depends on the time of the day. At the blue hour everything can look pretty cyanish if there is snow on the ground
@RHv445
3 жыл бұрын
I am absolutely blown away by the fact, you've managed to make a cohesive and understandable video explaining this enormously complex subject. Just wow.
@kayturs
Жыл бұрын
The thing is, it doesn't have to be this complex. It's complex because most people can't let go of traditional theories and so we're left with conflicting ideas. If you follow CMY, color mixing is really straightforward
@adhdbookworm
Жыл бұрын
@kayturs sure, it shouldn't be so complex, but it still is, isn't it?
@thingthingthingthingthingthing
2 ай бұрын
@@adhdbookwormno
@allisonspeers2163
2 жыл бұрын
My 4 year old just asked me if white was a primary color. I had to ask Google and immediately became confused by the various color theories and strong opinions (I am not an artist). Thank you for your clear and concise video that pulled me out of this internet quagmire!
@user4241
2 жыл бұрын
That depends on the color system, in the substractive color model (CMY) white is a primary color.
@kenfleisher3139
2 жыл бұрын
In CMY, the primaries are Cyan, Magenta and Yellow. White is “not” a primary. In fact, white is never a primary color.
@fdytdtdtfyfuft1045
Жыл бұрын
my name is glenn *quagmire* and i say giggity giggity giggity giggigigiggiigtytty
@ThePapaja1996
Жыл бұрын
Primary colors is a color setup where there you mix to make new colors. A setup that you choose set up either own youre own or where you buy your paint.
@arcyarcanine
Жыл бұрын
White is technically not a color, so there's your answer right there. It's a shade, much like black, to lighten or darken actual colors/hues. Obviously this is only correct when talking about pigments, light is a whole other discussion. Think of black and white like the brightness setting on a monitor.
@crabbyhayes1076
3 жыл бұрын
In high school physics, a 3-bladed fan is often used to demonstrate RGB. When each blade is covered with a primary color and the fan is started, you see white light. Which, of course, cannot be duplicated with pigments. Thank you Sir Isaac.
@keylimepie3143
Жыл бұрын
Issue was that from what I observed at least, this stuff was taught in a Physics 2 class, which isn't required, and a lot of folks get deterred from Physics 1 which deals with Kinematics, the stuff like acceleration, forces, energy, friction, etc. As a result, very few decide to continue on to Physics 2 which covers the stuff like electricity, magnetism, and light.
@magentamonster
4 ай бұрын
@@keylimepie3143 I think teaching kids about light early on would be a good idea since it's particularly interesting due to the connection to colours. The Physics 2 stuff seem more interesting than the Physics 1 stuff. After all, electricity and magnetism seem like magic. Perhaps that's actually why they teach them later though, they think they're too hard to understand because they seem like magic. But students are also likely to be more interested in them. Does the education system even consider what students are interested in as a factor? Because if they don't, that's a shame. They need to consider interest as well as difficulty and importance. Boring subject matter can turn students off. Teaching the interesting subject matter first might even make the otherwise boring subject matter more interesting, just because the students will be more interested in the subject.
@thefrugalcrafter
3 жыл бұрын
I like to use a split primary palette where you use a warm and cool version of each primary. I have. Notices that cool colors are more transparent and mix with less mud.
@SarahRenaeClark
3 жыл бұрын
That’s another approach that I was thinking of bringing into this video, but I’ll save it for a video specific to color mixing. I like it too, but I haven’t used it much personally!
@reneedixonart
3 жыл бұрын
@@SarahRenaeClark That's something I'd like to learn more about. Hope you can come out with a video soon!!
@Gwenluvsmusic
3 жыл бұрын
I was coming to the comment section to say similar.
@justacatwhocantype
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I find that for traditional media, a split primary is definitely the best solution.
@justtheletterV274
3 жыл бұрын
Well split primary is exactly like a CMY but with a cool yellow instead of green. And the cool and warm blue. Now, personally, violet blues are cool and cyans are warm but that is a matter of opinion. They’re both cool colors (duh, they’re blues) and when you mix Cyan and magenta, you get a violet blue. This violet blue’s hues can be either French Ultramarine (PB29), Indanthrone Blue (PB60), Ultramarine Violet Blue (PV15 BS), or Cobalt Blue Deep (PB72). Meanwhile, for Cyan, Phthalocyanine Blue Yellow Shade (PB15:3), Phthalocyanine Turquoise (PB16), or Manganese Blue (PB33). Note these are all hue choices, there’s no right or wrong choice. Also, if you mix neutral yellow w/ Cyan or magenta, you get the warmer and cooler versions. Warm Red by Cool Red and Yellow and Cool Blue by Warm Blue + Cool Red (since Turquoise = Tropical Sea and Indigo = Early Night Sky). Credit: SoulKeever
@drock55551
2 жыл бұрын
Why pick just one primary set? Use both RBY and CMY together and get the best of both worlds.
@deborahkatz5847
2 жыл бұрын
I have used your RBY CMY colour wheel theories with polymer clay and was very impressed with the colour mixes of the CMY mix. Much nicer richer colours opposed to the colour mixes of the RBY wheel.
@janicenelson4235
Жыл бұрын
Color line but it is numbers:1,3,2,3,1,3,2,3,1,3,2,3
@snowpuppies1
2 жыл бұрын
Sarah, this is probably the best explanation and summary of color theory I’ve seen. You did a marvelous job of explaining how the main models came about, their strengths and weaknesses, and the science behind it all without getting too technical, but still getting the point across. I was honestly ready to throw out the traditional color wheel altogether, but your points about teaching children (and non-artistically inclined folks) about general color mixing are very well put. I do think, however, that at least cmy should be introduced much earlier than it is, and probably rgb as well.
@SarahRenaeClark
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. And yes, I agree!
@staciamarie8458
2 жыл бұрын
I can’t wait to share this with my senior high art students!! It came up one day in class as a bit of an aside and I sort of threw out the idea that RBY aren’t the only “primary colours” and they all looked at me like I had 3 heads LOL.
@kayturs
2 жыл бұрын
Theoretically, CMY makes the most sense as subtractive primaries. Cyan only absorbs red light. Magenta only absorbs green light. You mix the two and you get a color that absorbs red and green, and so you're left with blue light reflecting back. On the other hand, you simply can't make cyan with RYB. Red absorbs green and blue, yellow absorbs blue, blue absorbs red and green. What combination of these can be mixed to absorb only red? If you think about it, it's impossible That's why in theory CMY works best for subtractive colors. Each color only absorbs one primary color of light, and so it has the most flexibility to construct any ratio of R:G:B
@nickytembo4112
2 жыл бұрын
And the color schemes are better too
@MusicalRaichu
2 жыл бұрын
you can get the same hue as cyan by mixing blue and yellow. it just won't be as saturated so it won't look vivid.
@leonardodeangelis4403
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, it is the same thing I thought, but this works best only in the theory (as you said). In real life it is really hard to create perfect pigments that when mixed together block 100% of the white spectrum they receive. Most of the times there are unwanted subcolours that arise when the pigments are mixed that lead to the appearance of dark tints. I'm not able to explain this super well in 3 lines, but there is another super clear and useful video that does this much better than me (kzitem.info/news/bejne/lpBql2uehl-DdHY).
@JNCressey
2 жыл бұрын
> "absorbs only red light" light isn't just made up of red light, green light, and blue light. it's a spectrum. yellow light, orange light, and red-orange light all exist and would be absorbed at various amounts by the cyan pigment. two different pigments could appear to be the same exact cyan when under daylight, but then look different to eachother when under a different kind of light-source.
@BryanLu0
2 жыл бұрын
@@JNCressey The point is our eyes only see the world in red, green, and blue and all the other colors are interpreted by our brains.
@TemiDansoArt
3 жыл бұрын
‘Magenta is a pigment of our imagination’ 😅😂
@tanwencooper6928
2 жыл бұрын
I have a PhD in astrophysics, and spent four years analysing spectra and identifying specific colours. People putting pink in a rainbow is a guaranteed way to make me fly into an irrationally OTT rage.
@SarahRenaeClark
2 жыл бұрын
Red and yellow, pink and green, purple and orange and blue, I can sing a rainbow! …right?
@rytheguy1800
Жыл бұрын
Interesting. When i was studying astrophysics we looked at the spectrum for hydrogen and i could see 2 lines below 400nm and beyond the normal 4 with one of my eyes, but not the other. The only way i could describe the first line was a violet marroon color. The 2nd one was too faint to guage its color and that was headache inducingly intense to begin with. I believe there is likely more to color behavior on the wave length than we realize. We have harmonics and octaves and such with sound waves perhaps light behaves in the same way and we just cant see the bridge that connects blue back to red as wave length gets smaller, but our brain already has those colors.
@JNCressey
Жыл бұрын
@@rytheguy1800, Those would be the ultraviolet parts of hydrogen's spectrum called the Lyman series. The lens of the eye is responsible for filtering out UV light, but the retina can see ultraviolet. I think one of your lenses is letting a bit of UV through. Ultraviolet would look similar to the hues around magenta because the L-cones have a secondary peak in their sensitivity around ultaviolet, so the UV stimulates S-cones and L-cones more than M-cones. The artist Claude Monet had a lens removed because of cataracts. The hues in his later paintings are considered to be because of UV vision.
@rytheguy1800
Жыл бұрын
@@JNCressey you've now put the thought in my head to have a lens removed... thank you. Fasinating information
@sunnyquinn3888
Жыл бұрын
It makes more sense than indigo being in the rainbow. I said what I said. 🎤⬇️
@Sakuems
3 жыл бұрын
Colors are just WONDERFUL
@SarahRenaeClark
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment! I think trying to limit ourselves to just 3 colors is mostly unnecessary, other than for the initial learning of color theory, mixing or to challenge or skills. Why not use more colors when they are available? I love your final option!
@robinjones631
2 жыл бұрын
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@anadarch7663
3 жыл бұрын
The 1st time I came across the primary colour mixing theory problem was when I first replaced my inkjet printer’s colour cartridges...couldn’t understand how magenta, cyan, yellow & black cartridges could produce such realistic coloured prints without any red, yellow & blue!!! Now I have a better idea. Thanks 👍
@jewelsauls3103
3 жыл бұрын
You are my new HERO! This is the best explanation of the color wheel debate I've heard. I taught a class recently and I stressed "That's why it's called Theory!" None are "wrong."
@SarahRenaeClark
3 жыл бұрын
Admittedly, I found myself more confused when I first started down this rabbit hole, but I found it so interesting I couldn’t help myself! I’m glad I was able to make it simpler for everyone else (I hope!) and bring a different perspective to the topic.
@tookitogo
2 жыл бұрын
Jewel: please don’t do that again, at least not without understanding, and explaining to your students, the huge difference between the scientific meaning of a “theory” and the everyday, colloquial meaning. (A scientific “theory” is something with a near-complete degree of certainty. The colloquial meaning of a theory as “something I think might be the case but I’m not sure” is more like a “hypothesis” in science.)
@leonardodeangelis4403
2 жыл бұрын
My teacher in my university in 5 hours was not able to teach me half of what you did in this 17 min video. Super useful! Thanks :D
@stereodreamer23
Жыл бұрын
I love this video. As someone with over 3 decades in graphic design, printing, print-making, video editing, and computer graphics, I REALLY enjoyed your presentation. I taught color theory using CMYK in several universities, and it was met initially with skepticism by the students, until they started using it with real paint, and then they understood...
@rgrdesigns
3 жыл бұрын
I encourage you to find "Exploring Color" by Nita Leland. She brilliantly demonstrates using different triads to create a variety of colors and moods. This book has been a great inspiration for me. I do agree that the CMY system has been neglected by educators and remember being very confused when first challenged with the thought that the traditional primaries had faults. Thanks for putting such an interesting video together.❤
@SarahRenaeClark
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I’ll see if I can find it!
@reneedixonart
3 жыл бұрын
Is it a book or video???
@rgrdesigns
3 жыл бұрын
@@reneedixonart book
@reneedixonart
3 жыл бұрын
@@rgrdesigns Thanks!!
@Bmonkeygurl
Жыл бұрын
Good discussion of a complex topic. As both a traditional artist and someone who has a degree in photographic technology, I am annoyed that this discussion doesn't come up more. I shifted myself to cmy ages ago because of how we worked in the darkroom on color photography correction. But even I recognize that it isn't a perfect system and some flexibility is involved. I just wish more elementary school teachers would start exposing their kids to the various systems and elements. I have had some good lively discussions with the art teacher on our campus. 😉
@Ronc137
3 ай бұрын
10:42 thank you so much for emphasizing wavelengths in color!! I was waiting for this specific comparison
@NelaDunato
3 жыл бұрын
I haven't seen a mention of the YURMBY wheel in your video or post, which is growing more popular among artists (especially realist painters and fantasy illustrators). It's based on 6 primaries, but you're never trying to mix them all at once. It's used in conjunction with the gamut mask to create atmospheric, more natural looking color palettes. At the center of your gamut is your neutral color, and depending on the shape of your gamut a "neutral" may actually be a warm or a cool color (not a gray) because colors are relative. This way of thinking about color can really shift our art. I recommend the book "Color and Light" by James Gurney which has taught me more about color in art than any other book or course (and I've taught graphic design so my knowledge of color theory was already pretty solid).
@SarahRenaeClark
3 жыл бұрын
I haven’t actually heard of the YURMBY wheel- but I’ve just looked it up and it looks fantastic! Also like the split-primary palette (which I also didn’t talk about) this looks to use 6 main colors instead of 3, which I think is a much better approach for artists. I think I’ll do a future video aimed at color mixing and will explore both wheels, as they both offer a far bigger variety of colors than any 3 set of primaries. Thanks for the recommendations!
@NelaDunato
3 жыл бұрын
On a different note, I don't really see the point of using any 3 primary color system in art. CMYK and RGB are limited because of their industrial use, but there's never a reason to stick with such a limited selection of pigments in art. Just because some color can be mixed, doesn't mean it should. Teaching kids that you can mix with CMYK? Yeah, let's do that in one lesson and then drop it. Color harmonies work better based on the 6 color wheel. Painting palettes limited to any number of "primaries"? Completely unnecessary. Everyone picks their own favorite pigments based on the subject matter they draw or paint.
@NelaDunato
3 жыл бұрын
@@SarahRenaeClark I'm glad, you're very welcome! :) I was writing my follow up comment at the same time and yes basically I agree that 3 color system is unnecessarily ascetic for art. 6 colors are better for sure, but still it's pretty arbitrary. When it comes to choosing pigments for a limited palette, I'm following the guideline: "Which colors need to be the most saturated? Get that as a single pigment, mix the rest." So I don't use lemon yellow at all (primary cool yellow), but I have a really nice green gold watercolor which is a tertiary color in most systems. Also no portrait palette is complete without one brown!
@SarahRenaeClark
3 жыл бұрын
+Nela Dunato exactly! I completely agree! The primaries are helpful to teach kids the basics about how colors work together. Beyond that, let’s not limit ourselves!
@noonekennedy1282
2 жыл бұрын
The Renaissance artist's "basic colors" (as described by Alberti or Leonardo) were not three but four - red, yellow, green and blue. Nickel dioxine yellow (PY153), quinacridone rose (PV19), phthalocyanine blue GS (PB15), phthalocyanine green YS (PG36).
@ColonelSandersLite
4 ай бұрын
This is just wildly factually incorrect. These are all modern synthetics. For instance, PV19 wasn't even invented until the late 1930s and wasn't commercially available until the late 1950s. While there is some debate and wiggle room as to when the 'renaissance' ended, 1958 is definitely well past *anyone's* definition. What red pigments available during the renaissance? It's a pretty short list. Madder Root (AKA Alizarin Crimson). Red Lead Oxide. Cinnabar (AKA Vermilion). Carmine. Red earths such as red ochre and burnt sienna. Additionally, a few very fugitive lakes may have been used. Marble dust dyed with boiled red onion skins for example.
@fy380
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the enlightening and educational tutorial that also made me smile re: math and color. As a newbie watercolor artist, I am struggling with color wheels and the whole RYB, CMY business but your video cleared up so much and actually allowed me to breathe a little easier. Color in itself is so life affirming so let's just embrace it all. 🙂
@reneedixonart
3 жыл бұрын
I liked your explanation very much. A couple years ago I watched a KZitemr angrily explain how CMY was way better than RYB and made it sound like we were all stupid for thinking red, blue and yellow were the primary colors. No I did not subscribe to her channel. I don't need that kind of negativity in my life. Thank you for your calm, relaxing video. 😁
@MusicalRaichu
2 жыл бұрын
many artists these days recommend six primaries, warm and cool varieties of R, Y and B, in addition to black and white. how you divide colours is partly perceptual, partly cultural. in Greece, they don't call the sky blue, they call it galazio = azure. while they have a specific word for orange, they usually classify shades of orange as either red or yellow. they call mauve anything between violet and magenta.
@rachelstone3079
11 ай бұрын
Yes I was going to mention the idea of six primaries, warm and cool varieties of R, Y and B, in addition to black and white... in paint, to yield a wider variety of mixed colours.
@Naturally-Bright
Жыл бұрын
Even though I'm someone who adores the cmy color wheel and have my beef with the ryb wheel, I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to teach both to students. But instead of it being the idea of "RYB for children, CMY for teens and up", it could instead be explained as "If you don't have access to Cyan and Magenta, Blue and Red is alternate option" since cyan and magenta are harder to find in certain mediums. Of course, there's more nuance than that to color, but honestly I think it'd be easier for kids to grasp color theory and colors in general if they were taught this from the start. Wonderful video!
@StephenMarkTurner
Жыл бұрын
Reading about the Munsell system was the start of a better understanding for me. The 'handprint' web site was also very useful.
@memoriesandphotobooks9569
3 жыл бұрын
My favouite book on colour was Blue and Yellow Don’t Make Green. My favourite way to may greens with paint was with black and yellow.
@emerana
3 жыл бұрын
nice Cyan lamp you have there! Great video
@katitadeb
3 жыл бұрын
I've learned the CMYK years ago, but as a personal stylist and image consultant I had to "unlearn" (most) of the CMY system since it doesn't totally work for this field, and traditional RBY works the best for analizing people's skin color, undertone and their best colors Need to add that my work consists on analizing the content/ balance of primary colors within any color, especially neutrals (brown, beige, even grey). It's not about colors themselves or painting nor creating/mixing colors
@SarahRenaeClark
3 жыл бұрын
Interesting!
@RiteOn
2 жыл бұрын
The basic issue is: how our eyes see color. Then adding what the color is made of and that influence. What alters the entire scope is 1) every eye is different, 2) light & chemicals vary in behavior. Understanding and education is essential to understanding all the possibilities. It's not an EASY answer. And it's SILLY to pick one over another. It's the entire gamut of possibilities available that is exciting.
@mrewan6221
3 жыл бұрын
Has everyone forgotten that default "blue" is now a different colour than when the RYB model was designed? What Newton designated as "blue" is what we now call "light blue" or "cyan". What we now call "blue" is what Newton called "indigo" (or "dark blue"). This is why the spectrum has "... green, blue, indigo, violet". If we used out current definitions, the spectrum would be "... green, cyan, blue, violet". Indigo is not some sort of bluish-purpley-violet, it's just plain old "dark blue", or - in our current terminology - "blue". When we remember that Newton's blue is our cyan, his RYB model becomes our RYC. Much better greens, and a closer match to magenta. Newton would have thought of our RYB model as R-Y-indigo. He would probably be a bit bemused.
@SarahRenaeClark
3 жыл бұрын
I think you’re right. I discovered the same when looking into his original wheel. A cyan blue is much better for mixing! I naturally tend to lean towards a lighter rather than darker blue when using something for mixing colors, even when using the RYB model. It just FEELS right.
@tookitogo
2 жыл бұрын
Yep! What I’m surprised didn’t make it into the video is the fact that the names of unspecific colors (by which I mean _families_ of colors, like “red” or “blue”) are actually not uniform across languages and cultures, which alone should make clear that they’re shaky foundations for color models. Historically speaking, blue was less likely to be considered its own color, with blues often being considered shades of green. The hypothesis is that color families that were not common were less likely to get their own family name. Why have a “blue” color family when in your environment, it only exists in the sky and deep, clear water? So they’d lump it in with green, and say something like “sky green” or “water color”. In contrast, since flowers and berries and animals, etc. often contain reds and pinks, red is the first color family to be named, after “dark” and “light”. In modern times, all languages in highly developed societies have names for similar sets of basic color families, presumably due to ongoing cultural exchange, trade, etc, but isolated tribal languages often still do not!
@Ayaforshort
2 жыл бұрын
I learned RBY in high school and I've had so many issues now trying to pick up paint as a hobby. Specifically not being able to get good pinks. I wrote that about pink before the video started and felt so validated!
@2wesx
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for captioning your videos!
@TheTinyrobot
3 жыл бұрын
Color theory and color wheels are tricky, just the other day i started searching google for color information, warm/cool tones, because i want to learn how to mix my colors better, knowing what blue i should mix with what yellow to get green etc. funny this video would pop up just now because i was like "what are all of these strange color wheels, where are the real ones" when trying to find the information, turns out I've just lived under a rock since i left school xD
@RogersJimmy-n4q
2 жыл бұрын
There are more various hues that can be used to describe cyan. Cyan can be either closer to green or closer to blue. It can be used to describe any blue-green color like turquoise, teal, aqua, etc. There is also a wide range of colors used to describe Magenta. It can either be closer to reddish-pink or it can be closer to purple. I still believe kids should be taught the difference between cyan and blue. They are quite different from each other.
@user-od6ue9zv9u
Жыл бұрын
Yeah! Between Green and Cyan is Spring Green and between Cyan and Blue is Azure, both of these colors are tertiary colors and are separate distinct colors that has many shades, tones and tints!
@RogersJimmy-n4q
Жыл бұрын
@@user-od6ue9zv9u Well with yellow, you could have a goldish yellow and a lemon yellow. There isn't just one specific hue of yellow. Yes, yellow-green/lime green is different than plain old yellow, but yellow could have a tiny bit of green in it and still be considered yellow. Cyan can also have a little bit of green in it and still be considered cyan. It could also have a tab bit of blue in it and still be considered cyan. There is a difference between additive cyan and subtractive cyan. Subtractive cyan is a bit more blueish and one could say additive cyan could be a bit more greenish. Ideally additive cyan is pure cyan, with equal amounts of green and blue light. However, the cyan that the printer uses tends to be more blueish than additive cyan. All around cyan can be used to describe different colors other than one specific hue. Just like there is not one specific yellow.
@user-od6ue9zv9u
Жыл бұрын
@@RogersJimmy-n4q Mhm! There are many shades of cyan very distinct to each other as the "blue-green" colors like... Teal, turquoise, celeste, blue-green, caribbean current, dark cyan, electric blue, keppel, light cyan, light sea green, midnight green, moonstone, myrtle green, peacock blue, robin egg blue, skobeloff, sky blue, tiffany blue, verdigris and many more! Many family of cyans!
@RogersJimmy-n4q
Жыл бұрын
@@user-od6ue9zv9u that is basically what I was trying to say.
@RogersJimmy-n4q
Жыл бұрын
@@user-od6ue9zv9u I would say that while a lot of those have blue in the name, they aren't actually blue or green. As my art teacher put it, there are an infant amount of colors it might seem. So people come up with bizarre names for them. She said the term fashion names. Chartreuse, cerulean-blue, maurve, those are all fashion names for colors. Since children are not taught about cyan in school, they just call it blue. While they might call it shades of blue or green, it's still cyan. You could take a red crayon and call it whatever you want. You could call it scarlet, candy apple, rudy, poppy, or whatever. It's still red no matter what you call it. You could call it pretty purple and it would still be red. Cyan and its different hues are still cyan regardless of what you call it. Companies like Crayola will do the same thing with fashion names. I had a robin's-egg-blue crayon from Crayola. It had way too much green to be considered blue even though it had blue in the name. True blue mixed with red makes a dark purple. Cyan mixed with red makes brown or some ugly color. Sometimes an ugly brownish green. If I took that robin's-egg-blue and mixed it with a red, it would still produce a muddy color because the robin's-egg-blue was still cyan even if Crayola named it blue. I did mix the crayon with red and it produced an ugly muddy brownish green color. There is still a wide range of cyan colors even if they have fashion names containing blue.
@onetruetroy
2 ай бұрын
Terrific video! I’ve always liked to draw since I was 5, and used whatever art supplies were available whether crayon, pencils, markers, chalk, tempera, smudge… it didn’t matter to me. I learned more about consistency and palettes in high school, and never chose a color theory. If it worked and looked good then I was happy with it. I love gouache and chose a set that had the most vibrant and saturated colors, because they’re easy to tint, shade and shift. Even then, I select a palette that matches the most vibrant colors in the subject or reference. I prefer to have red, blue, yellow, green, orange, purple, cyan, magenta and white-I seldom use black. One of the important theories I learned was that light values are more important than matching hue. With today’s technology, I can easily look at the reference on my phone with the black and white, and greyscale filters. I’ll check my painting to make sure my values are as close as possible, even if the hues are off. By the way, mixing colors can easily be achieved by just painting them side by side.
@divahc1
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the explanation. Now I know why my printer's ink colours are CMYK! I thought they were just being fancy with names for RGB... who knew...
@julienotsmith7068
3 жыл бұрын
It's funny, I've been meaning to do my own thread on Twitter about color mixing, and knew I'd run into additive and subtractive mixing fast, and the whole thing just gives me a headache. I don't know if you've run into Kids These Days (TM) calling cyan, magenta, and yellow the "modern" primaries, but they are. The explanation seems to be 'because that's what's in the printer' and I kind of hold my head and think "no..." but I don't open the can of worms. Add in I'm a history nerd who's studied the history of pigments. I feel that's a huge factor with all this; until the last hundred-odd years we haven't even had these colors to play with, to form the argument. Let alone the light-based media from televisions forward that begin the - additive? subtractive? I CAN NEVER REMEMBER - discussion. And did I mention, I paint? And love brights, so the CMYK palette is much more my speed, even though I know traditionally it wouldn't even exist. I would give a LOT of money to see what VanGogh would have done with modern paint. You did a great job on a bonkers topic. If you want to make your head swim further, look into tetrachromacy; we now have genetic documentation that yes, some women really do see more colors. Bonkers. The whole thing is utterly bonkers. You did great. Sorry for the screed. Have a nice night.
@SarahRenaeClark
3 жыл бұрын
It’s definitely a can of worms! And I just stayed on the surface. I had to stop myself going deeper because it just got more complicated, very quickly! Too much for a short video 😬
@jennifervoigt2631
Жыл бұрын
I use cyan magenta red blue and yellow to mix colors I need with out thinking i got lucky and an art teacher taught me early on that cyan and magenta some times created better colors. He was amazing. He also helped me discover that. Using more then 1 color wheel at the same time was okay too
@snakedaemongaming6590
3 жыл бұрын
the imaginary colour system actually does exist It's all to do with with the amount of cones in your eye, these cones is sensitive to light and colour Certain animals for instance have more cones so see more colours and even different light Rays but others like ferrets only see in red or only black and white and pixelated
@user-gg9jy1oi2n
2 жыл бұрын
The Mantis shrimp!
@mcspiffington
2 жыл бұрын
so we have to 'imagine' the pigments using maths.
@madeleine363
2 жыл бұрын
@@mcspiffington yup math, concepts, and most of all Humility that we are not perfect specimens
@tookitogo
2 жыл бұрын
Biological eyes, no matter what kind, do not have pixels and cannot see “pixelated”. There are differences in visual acuity (resolution), but it’s not pixels. The same goes for photographic film: it has grain, but not pixels.
@andrewjohnston407
Жыл бұрын
Going to school in the UK during the 70's and 80's, we were only ever taught RGB as the primary colours.
@vickieevenson9309
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for explaining this! I am a passionate passionate lover of color and I have been told by artists that I really understand colors and know how to work them. The truth is, I don't even know how to use a color wheel beyond the very very basics!! I need to push myself further to improve my art and KZitem videos have been assisting me a great deal, including yours!
@johnmcdaid8164
2 жыл бұрын
Holy freaking cow! Happened upon this video when as a relative newbie the sliders in Photoshop started getting to me and KZitem's suggestions on "color theory" landed me here. I know I'm late to this particular party, but already subscribed for the education and entertainment so beautifully blended. Thanks for helping me getting gears unstuck. And for a total (and completely platonic) tangent, you have very striking eyes. Thanks for getting me unstuck and cheers!
@nofarDcohen
2 жыл бұрын
the markers shelf on the wall behind you is so satisfying! very interesting video:)
@deborahgiles8214
Жыл бұрын
Oh! A topic close to my heart! I love having the knowledge of both CMY and RBY because it helps me mix a full range of colours from bright, clear and candy-like to muted and moody. I can't really express my consternation when I came from working with fabric to mixing watercolours and my knowledge of RBY colour theory DIDN'T WORK! I was horrified at the "purple" I was able to mix and wasn't happy with the green either. Now I like to have a warm and cool of each "primary" which covers all the RBY, CMY bases and is very versatile for mixing. That, along with mixing complements to get muted colours makes me happy. May I share a pet peeve? It's hearing the phrase, "don't mix X with Y; you will make mud." For one thing it's overused and trite and for another, we need a lot of muddy colours to paint our world, so it's a pretty limiting comment, in my grumpy opinion. Anyway. It's amazing to me how rapidly the theoretical framework gets super confusing and muddy. Just glad there are a few things to cling to that make sense!
@NyxusPluto
3 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one that is not a artist and just watches this because it’s interesting
@m1g4s
4 ай бұрын
This might be a country thing, but we definitely learned CMY in art class and RBY in physics in middle school, and this was a good 15 years ago
@JadeAislin
2 жыл бұрын
I agree that the sky is not just blue, but I don't think it's cyan. To me it's azure, my favorite color. There's a reason my name begins with Azure.
@JimmHugheyM.S.
Жыл бұрын
Sarah, this is great. We can argue all day as artists, however the points you make are valid because the public/non-artists need to understand even more than artists…thank you! Jimm Artist
@anonymouse6703
2 жыл бұрын
Huh. I didn't even realize that I've always used the CMY version because I noticed that the magenta and cyan made a prettier purple. Yeah and come to think of it, all the secondary colors are prettier in my opinion. Anyway, thanks for all the info!
@jfrancis6191
2 жыл бұрын
CMY always looks fresh to me. It gives me a light, happy feeling. Barbie Dreamhouse Adventures is very big on CMY.
@julienotsmith7068
Жыл бұрын
Saw this go past and at first didn’t realize it was the previous vid I had left a comment on… You’re still very brave. My uncle sells paint, and I mentioned this to him and he thinks making color theory videos on You Tube will result in tears and thrown punches. I told him he wasn’t entirely wrong. 😁 Signing off again, from additive land.
@judywillemsma2306
3 жыл бұрын
Nicely done. I believe that students of all ages will benefit from this information about colour. In turn, people can make individual, informed decisions about colour use.
@quinnmclaughlin7537
2 жыл бұрын
Very well spoken! I come from a music background which also has theories and wheels and as a musician you learn to link it all, sharps, flats, letters, and kinds (natural, blues, harmonic, etc). also as a Kid I learned that mixing colors of light gets you a different result from mixing colors of paint. all this together and I'm boggled why someone would saythere is 1 color wheel, and you are using the wrong one.
@sarahferguson0
2 жыл бұрын
I've been trying to use the color wheel more in my art. I've seen this video in my feed but was hesitant to watch before i had a decent grasp of what exactly the color wheel even is. I have zero training in art. I had no idea! This video was very informative and has given me some ideas. Whenever i saw the Imaginary Colors i said to myself, oh crap, she's gonna talk about math 🤣 and i can just hear my Algebra professor now "see, math IS everywhere" Dang it. 🙂
@Orih9
9 ай бұрын
One thing about using color groups to teach children is that Cyan and Magenta are and should also be separate color groups rather than thinking of them as specific hues. That would help break apart the category of "blue" which is otherwise very massive compared to other groups because it's sort of absorbed the range of colors around Cyan, and having Magenta can help add more clarity between what colors are very bright and vibrant "pinks" vs actual light, rosy pinks that are lighter tints of different reds. It would also help teach future generations that Cyan and Magenta are important colors worth recognizes as different than a different shade of Red or Blue.
@naly202
2 жыл бұрын
Whenever I buy paints from a new medium (fabric dye, porcelain paints, etc) I always buy red, yellow and prussian blue. Prussian b+ y make a beautiful green. If I like the medium, I buy ultramarine blue. And eventually magenta.
@artsya5207
2 жыл бұрын
Dang that got deep. Recent subscriber, and I’ve been binge-watching all your videos! Thanks for being such an inspiration!
@DigitalAndInnovation
2 жыл бұрын
FINALLY- as a lighting designer and filmmaker- an explanation for why RYB makes sense. This is really logical. Within my work- the RGB or secondary system makes sense for me... But I can finally understand why yellow would be a primary... not to mention within lighting design we often have an extra "amber" channel on our color mixing lights because red and green make a really ugly yellow!
@quranbyeasha
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Sarah, this was SO helpful! I've always followed the RYB colorwheel, but I was never really pleased with the results of mixing. And I just realized that the CMY colorwheel exists, and I think that it is going to solve all of my problems. But I haven't tried it yet, this is just what I think...
@CrimsonStigmata
2 жыл бұрын
When I went to art school we used gauche to create our color wheel for our design classes. Using the RYB Color wheel. We had to make shades and tints too. It was pretty challenging but fun. I learned about cmyk in my Graphic design classes. In our painting classes which used oil paints we used a typical colors like raw sienna, brunt umber etc to make our colors.
@franziskaschwarz9556
Жыл бұрын
wow, one of the best videos on color theory and colors wheels i have ever found :) thank you so much. i learned soooo much
@AkilahOsa
2 жыл бұрын
This video just blew my mind in all the right ways, and I'm loving it! 🤯🥰🤯
@mjeffn2
5 ай бұрын
I use both. It depends on what my goals for appearance of painting will be as my general rule. If I’m going for a very high key painting I work with transparent colors in CYMK. If I’m working ala prima outside I use opaque or semi opaque RBY mostly because natural colors in daylight are going to be much less saturated and vibrant. Sometimes I use both system’s pigments in the same painting, though harmonizing them all is more complicated.
@DAYbreaking_Ideas
2 жыл бұрын
This video is awesome! I love how you broke this down and provided an objective and constructive way to understand.
@ivonned32
3 жыл бұрын
I am going to need to come back with my notebook 📓 because holy moley! This is good information.👏🏽✌🏽
@jimscanoe
5 ай бұрын
I prefer Michael Wilcox's *Perfect Color Choices for the Artist,* *The Wilcox Guide to the Best Watercolor Paints,* and *Blue and Yellow Don't Make Green.* These three wonderful books, with their detailed and complete explanations of color theory as it relates to mixing watercolor paints, have been invaluable to my understanding of watercolors. Key to understanding color (again, as it relates to pigments used for painting) is to appreciate that every color of paint is actually a combination of two main colors-blue pigment, for example, is either a violet-blue (mostly blue with some violet as the secondary color) or a green-blue (mostly blue with some green as the secondary color). Likewise, yellow pigment is either an orange-yellow or a green-yellow. Continuing on with this example, to mix a green using blue and yellow, you'll need to mix together a green-blue and a green-yellow (not a violet-blue and an orange-yellow). *The Wilcox Guide to the Best Watercolor Paints* is an exhaustive description of all the different colors of pigment made by the 30 plus major worldwide brands of watercolor paint. I've also found the *Quiller Color Wheel* by Stephen Quiller (particularly the 27" by 27" poster size) to be an excellent resource for appreciating the dual-color nature of all pigments. I use the *Stephen Quiller Porcelain Palette* (13” X 13” X 1¼”) with the following watercolor pigments (all, but one, Schmincke Horadam Aquarell)-starting at the top and going clockwise around the palette leaving an empty well between each of the pigments: *Aureolin Hue 208* (an orange-yellow), *Lemon Yellow 215* (a green-yellow), *May Green 524* (a yellow-green), *Sap Green 530* (a blue-green), *Helio Cerulean 479* (a green-blue), *Ultramarine Finest 494* (a violet-blue), *Brilliant Blue Violet 910* (a blue-violet), *Brilliant Red Violet 940* (a red-violet), *Ruby Red 351* (a violet-red), *Transparent Red Deep 355* (an orange-red), *Saturn Red 359* (a red-orange), and *Chromium Orange 214* (a yellow-orange). In the double wells in each of the four corners of the pallet, starting with the two wells in top left-hand corner and going clock-wise, I have: *Transparent Sienna 653* and *Transparent Ocker 657, Madder Brown 670* and *Transparent Umber 671, Ivory Black 780* and *Graphite Grey 788,* and *Payne’s Grey Bluish 787* and *Titanium White* (Daniel Smith-the only pigment that is not Schmincke). There’s lots of room for mixing pigments in the large center well of the porcelain pallet. All the watercolor pigments were chosen for their primary *and* their secondary colors as well as their transparency and permanence. Enjoy : )
@sajidmehmood-wy2cn
3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant explanation!!! It is true CMYK is the best choice when working with pigments. It helps over come a lot of barriers. But hey, this video is top notch! Sub sub sub.
@tookitogo
2 жыл бұрын
8:50 I’m a huge printer and printing nerd. Hexachrome never caught on, and it was only ever a press format; there never existed color computer printers using hexachrome inks. Additional colors in consumer printers actually largely came and went, as printer companies a) continued to tweak the CMY inks to work better, and b) typical, non-color-critical consumers didn’t like having to buy even more individually ink cartridges. (And color laser printers have never supported more than 4 toner colors.) But in the photo printer world, we had the first 6-ink inkjet in 1996 (adding light cyan and light magenta), and within a few years we had pro photo inkjets using combinations of additional red, green, blue, violet, orange, or gray inks, as we continue to use today for fine art prints. You don’t have to wait for this to become affordable: $700 will get you a printer with at least one extra color (not counting light cyan or magenta or gray). But to be honest, modern CMYK inks produce superb color gamuts already, and you really have to be looking at the very fringes of the CMYK model to find colors those inks cannot produce well.
@kenfleisher3139
2 жыл бұрын
Very nice video! Well done. I believe it is a benefit to all artists to understand all color wheels. In a broader sense, we are talking about color systems, not just wheels. I think you missed out on an important point in your discussion. That is, that a color system can have ANY primaries that you choose. I don’t know the source of the definition for “primary” that you used, but that is not the scientific definition. If I wanted to select pink, orange, and green as my primaries, I could. The range of colors I could create with those (called the “color gamut”) will be quite different from RYB or RGB or CMY, but those CAN be my primaries in a color system if I want them to be. None are “wrong.” -Ken Fleisher, Color Scientist
@bzdirt
23 күн бұрын
My daughter came back from school the other day talking about primary and secondary colors. Putting orange up there and I'm like, "How can I politely correct the teacher?"
@tookitogo
2 жыл бұрын
As a tech nerd, I read tons of technical stuff as a kid, and one of the things I read a lot about was printing (both press and computer), and that included _real_ color theory, not the phony-baloney RYB color taught in art class. Learning how color displays (TVs, computer monitors, etc) worked taught me about RGB color. I have said for _years_ that it does kids a disservice to teach them the patently wrong RYB color model, and I’m glad to see others say the same thing.
@mpetersen6
3 жыл бұрын
Kodak and the other film companies figured this out long ago. But the Magenta and Cyan have to be based of a red and blue anyway. I do have problems getting bright colors when I need them. Personally I think it has to do with the wax coming out of solution in the color as it is played down due to localized heating from friction between the color and the paper. Paper is slightly abrasive. At least wood pulp paper is. Plus it depends on the species of tree used. Plus to get colors to really pop you need enough light. And the light needs to be in the right temperature range to give the hues a chance to come out. Fluorescents just do not work at all. This also applies to incandescents and LEDs. Our eyes are adapted to the specific light mix that we get from the color of the Sun's surface. Light that corresponds to other temperatures will effect how we see those colors. Hence the different temperature range builds manufactured and sold. As an aside people have suggested that if were on a planet orbiting around a red dwarf star that everything would have a reddish color. Not really. A red dwarf would still appear white or whitish due to the surface is still at a reasonably high temperature.
@tookitogo
2 жыл бұрын
“Magenta and cyan have to be based off a red and blue anyway”…. Uh… no.
@billriccobono2account883
3 жыл бұрын
You're good! Really really good! Love it all: voice inflection, fast pace, know your content, Great visuals, etc. etc. Best I have ever seen and helps this color luddite better understand. Thank you, thank you!
@instant_mint
3 жыл бұрын
This might just be the best video on this subject! I thought I knew most of it already but I learned a lot! 😊
@beatricebolstad4417
3 жыл бұрын
Red and yellow makes more vibrant orange because red is already a mix of magenta and yellow. So that has got to do with the pigment in the paint itself, not the colours. The red you by on the tube, is a better red because it is made with red pigments, than the red you mix using magenta and yellow. Off course it would make a better orange. Magenta still is the primary colour in this example. While blue and yellow makes a muddy green compared to cyan and yellow, because blue is a mix between magenta and cyan.
@mickwinters8484
2 жыл бұрын
Well, that's as clear as mud in a beer bottle😆 will need to watch this again, which will be a pleasure, thank you🙂
@maguitorres9616
2 жыл бұрын
I live in Portugal and in school I was always thaught that the primary colours were yellow, magenta and blue (cyan). And the school art material kits came with those. For example, the giotto gouache which also has a little chart in how to mix those to obtain other colours. I am curious to know if other people from different countries also had this experience and how does this happen.
@misaoce3423
2 жыл бұрын
The same un Spain: cyan, magenta and yellow
@rachelstone3079
11 ай бұрын
In Australia in the 1980s and 1990s I was taught the traditional RBY. Not sure if they have changed it here since. Sounds like Portugal is way ahead!
@slfanta
Жыл бұрын
I think we should better use CMY for mixing colors and still conform to the RYB color harmony rules .
@jamesthaiss2899
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Sarah, this is a great video. It's the only video I've come across that breaks down the color controversies so well. The more I research color the more I feel you are right that there is no one right answer. I've come to feel that CMY is the best color wheel to determine primaries. However when it comes to determining complementary colors CMY seems flawed since it shows yellow as the complement to blue which, when mixed together, as we know produces a green and not a neutral color. In this way I think RYB may be the superior wheel. What you said about the color being linear and not fitting into a perfect wheel I think is absolutely correct. I appreciate your work sorting through all the research and presenting in a simple, enjoyable way.
@SarahRenaeClark
3 жыл бұрын
It’s interesting you use this example, because there are a lot of online debates about whether blue + yellow = green. Because a “true” blue according to CMY would make black (or gray) when mixed with yellow… and you CAN replicate this with the right blue. But as we know, blue is used as such a broad term, and in MOST cases, produces a variant of a green. So using and teaching CMY again becomes limited and confusing in understanding how colors interact with each other if we dismiss the other theories completely. I don’t think RYB is superior, but I do think it is simpler in many applications. There’s another 4-color primary system that I’m exploring that offers a good practical option for artists that I might teach on in a future video.
@jamesthaiss2899
3 жыл бұрын
@@SarahRenaeClark Thanks for responding. I'd love to see more about the debate regarding "true" blue and yellow making gray. I've literally been looking for two weeks online trying to find anything about that and have come up empty thus far. If you don't mind sharing with me the URL that the addresses this debate I'd appreciate it. Your mention of a 4-color primary system is intriguing. I'll look that up and see what is out there on the subject.
@SarahRenaeClark
3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesthaiss2899 here is a book written about the green debate, and it introduces what is commonly known as a “split-primary palette” that a lot of artists use. It’s a more practical approach to color mixing, but not something I’ve personally looked into much yet. It’s on my list! www.google.com/amp/s/thekeypoint.org/2017/12/21/blue-and-yellow-dont-make-green/amp/ Otherwise, the Munsell color theory is also worth a look!
@jamesthaiss2899
3 жыл бұрын
@@SarahRenaeClark Hey Sarah, I hope you are doing well. I'm back because after 3 months of looking online I still have not found anyone to show how blue and yellow paint don't make a greenish hue when mixed. It's not perfect green but it is clearly a green hue. If blue and yellow don't mix to make anything other than a neutral gray or black how can the CMY color wheel be correct since it has yellow and blue as complementary colors? I must admit I did not read the book that you sent me in the link above for 2 reasons: 1) it's a bit pricey on Amazon 2) it says it's a book about mixing colors and I'm actually more interested in the color wheel in terms of determining color harmonies. As a side note I actually completely agree with the idea of using split complements to mix more vibrant colors. It's been something I've done for years. But again I'm not looking for help with color mixing right now, I'm just trying to determine what is the best color wheel to use to determine color harmonies. It seems like while CMY may be decent wheel to use for mixing it's got flaws when it comes to color harmonies (i.e. blue is not the complement to yellow - how can it be? am I wrong?). The more I dig the more I think color theory is not as baked as some people say that it is. I believe you summed up this challenge well in your video when you described trying to boil down color, something that is linear, into a single color wheel, something that is circular. Perhaps something gets lost in that translation. Your video is one of the only ones that I've found that seems to hint at questioning the concept of color wheels. I appreciate that because it shows you've really thought about it and aren't just mimicking what 95% of the content online says. I've been trying to make color composition paintings for a couple decades now. The idea of composing with color is fascinating to me but in all honesty my success rate with these paintings is hit or miss at best. Composing with color is often a struggle for me. I've mostly been composing using my own gut instincts. Recently however I decided to really buckle down and school myself on color theory to at the very least make my color paintings a little less of a struggle. Who knows maybe it's just to learn the rules so I can intentionally break them and make something really exciting. I've been learning about color harmonies but I'm stuck on the color wheel. That seems like the foundation of all color theory. If the color wheel that I'm working from is not solid than none of it is solid, right? Ok, I've rambled far too long. Just wanted to share my thoughts. Color is an exciting subject. The journey continues. Have fun creating.
@SarahRenaeClark
3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesthaiss2899 have you seen my other color theory video? It might be a better source for you. I think both wheels work for color harmonies, but I prefer the RBY wheel for harmonies. That video uses the RBY wheel and goes through the harmonies.
@laurensmith0710
3 жыл бұрын
My 9 y/o knows Cyan and will often use it when describing a color I grew up just calling Blue. Over the last 15 months of watching him and my 15 y/o do remote learning, I know that neither of my daughter’s schools (middle school last year for 8th grade & high school this year for 9th grade) taught using the CMY color wheel. She actually took a beginner level art class this year because she has always enjoys doing crafts (painting, coloring, & lettering) and wants to improve her sketching and drawing. I knew that these high school years were going to be tough for her academically. Her father dropped out of high school after failing a year and almost failing another, but he has always been so artistic. During our relationship & marriage, he did get his GED and took 2 quarters at a technical college. He’s never been one for school, but he is one of the HARDEST workers I have ever known and will always say that despite being divorced 12 yrs and a deadbeat father to her (owes me over $90k in child support for our daughter 😔). He works in construction, out in the elements every day, 60+ hrs a week making pretty much minimum wage,. Our daughter gets her artistic ability from him. I’m not creative whatsoever but did great in school and university. I graduated with a Bachelors in Business Administration (Marketing) but could never find a job paying more than my Certified Senior Pharmacy Technician job I had . After moving to a different state with my son’s father (my 2nd ex-husband now), he insisted I be a stay at home mom. He is a Biomedical Engineer working with medical laboratories and has since opened his own business at the tail end of our divorce. While my daughter has a father who works his butt off and makes basically minimum wage, my son has a father who is the complete opposite: Bachelors degree, owns his own business making $225k a year. I knew this divorce was going to be hard on my daughter because my son’s father raised her as his own since she was 3 y/o. Unfortunately, he disowned her when he left our marriage. Her biological father has also divorced his 2nd wife (and mother of her other half-brother) and is now on his 3rd marriage with 4 step-kids. She’s been through so much in her 15 yrs of life. I wanted to do something to reassure her my family and I will always be by her side. I have full legal and physical custody of her and share 50/50 for my so. When she signed up for her 9th grade classes, she wanted to do Art & Digital Photography as her electives. Told her she could teach me everything she learns. I have Multiple Sclerosis and have extreme tremors and numbness, especially in my dominant hand. The pandemic didn’t help my chronic major depression so I decided to try hand lettering…epic fail. I tried adult coloring and was so fascinated when I started watching YT videos. I have learned so much the past 6 months that I feel I should have learned in elementary school. Never knew there were different types of colored pencils or that there was a thing called color theory. I thought the more colors I used, the prettier. I didn’t know anything about blending, shading, highlighting. Heck, I didn’t even know there is a correct way to use a manual sharpener or that you’re supposed to color in circles, not straight lines. 😱🤯 I asked my artistic ex and genius ex if they knew any of those. Neither did. I asked my siblings (1 is an elementary school teacher), my parents, and all my nieces and nephews (ranging from 11 y/o twins up to 32 y/o). The only person who knew is my 27 y/o autistic nephew. My daughter got straight A’s this entire year (has always been an A’s & B’s student). The one class she almost got a B in was her 2-D Studio Art 1 class. Her teacher definitely takes her job seriously, especially for a beginners course in high school. Part of their final grade was to write an essay about what she had learned this year in the world of art, whether in class or on her own, and submitted it with a drawing of how she feels now that this crazy pandemic seems to be finally calming and life is slowly getting back to “normal.” My girl used all these things we learned from creators on KZitem, specifically this channel and blog. Her art teacher asked for a couple of the people she was referring to. After school had ended, her teacher sent her an email with the grade for that project and thanked her. What? Why? Oh, because she learned several things herself from the artists, colorists, and creators my daughter had used. My son, he used to love art, but Minecraft has taken over. In a way, I guess it is still art with since he build the very intricate buildings and worlds. I’m still confused how he knows Cyan vs just Blue. Either way, thank you for all the knowledge you have given me, especially for one of the best purchases I have ever made…your Color Catalog And Color Companion. I think the having to choose the right colors was what was making my attempt to relieve some stress an epic fail. Now, I can just scroll through til I find a palette I like and then I pic my coloring page. Lol 😂💕 you’re a lifesaver!
@SarahRenaeClark
3 жыл бұрын
My 6yo says the sky is cyan! He’s very specific. And it actually didn’t come from me! It’s amazing how much we can learn through KZitem these days. It gives us direct access to artists and teachers who are using these things every day. A variety of teachers, a variety of opinions, from all over the world. Thanks for sharing your story! Tell your daughter to keep creating!
@magentamonster
Жыл бұрын
You're wondering how your son knows the term "cyan"? And you say he plays Minecraft. I think Minecraft might have taught him about cyan, as it has an item called "Cyan Dye".
@magentamonster
Жыл бұрын
@@SarahRenaeClark Cyan is not "very specific". In fact, it actually refers to a wider range of colours than blue, but blue encompasses more RGB colours.
@anonymouse6703
2 жыл бұрын
I just realized that at an art class I once took, they introduced us to the "American" color palette and the "European" but this video made me realize it was just RBG and CMY.
@tookitogo
2 жыл бұрын
LMAO at how absolutely ignorant that teacher was!
@janinafisher101
2 жыл бұрын
This is really useful info for a relative novice of a painter like me! Thanks. Look forward to checking out your blog.
@grahamokeefe9406
2 жыл бұрын
The problem with "impossible colors" reminds me a bit of temperament in music. If you take a purely mathematical approach to laying out the notes, it doesn't quite work, so we have to fudge it a little bit.
@laughingn.learning9822
3 жыл бұрын
And of course the color I love the most (magenta) is imaginary!
@nancysturm9162
7 ай бұрын
Wonderful video. I feel like teaching kids the CMY color wheel won't work very well until the crayon manufacturers start producing a whole different set of "8 basic colors."
@kingtigerbooks1162
2 жыл бұрын
Apply it thick enough and color becomes the artwork. My 4 favorite books: - Icon by Frank Frazetta - Bridgerton by Julia Quinn - The Joy of Art by Carolyn Schram - Great Fighter Jets of the Galaxy 1 by Tim Gibson
@valasafantastic1055
3 жыл бұрын
CMY! Discovered the truth years ago! Split primaries with a warm and cool version often work very well. BUT CMY are the 'real' primaries. Depending on the paint you also can really use a black and a white to get all the colours and tones. Can be pretty impossible to get many colours and pastels without white. In paint I'd add white a s a fourth primary! Black is more a convenience colour depending on style. I prefer many starting colours too work from than just primaries mixing every colour is less enjoyable and more time consuming than having other colours to start from. Also many pigments are able to be beautiful and behave a certain way vs mixing with primaries, such as buying Daniel Smith special inspiring colours like Quinacridone gold or Coral or Perylene green, etc. Not the easiest to mix. VERY complicated and fun to learn. Yes your childhood learning was probably wrong. CMY is better. Better is still better so... RYB is still LESS true than CMY... So..... Yes teach children CMY over RYB! THEN move towards split primaries, complexities and using other tones such as greens, orange, white, purple, browns, etc. As for Children: Teach them Magenta, Cyan, etc. Teach people the words it allows better comprehension. Teach people the sky is CYAN! It does NOT make sense to teach old 'less' correct information. CALL the Sky CYAN! Lets move forward with MORE correct information to young children! Not parrot incorrect or less correct due to 'tradition'! Come on! Agree to disagree. Art is subjective. So Overall use more starting colours or "primaries" for better colour ranges. Such as great greens, oranges, etc.
@jesterparty6947
3 жыл бұрын
No no no stop it, there are no "true" primaries and it depends on the medium you use.
@Darkest_Dragon
2 жыл бұрын
This is the most interesting, and educational video I have read in months. Thank you Sarah :)
@SarahRenaeClark
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@user-en5gu7nf4v
2 жыл бұрын
CMY is the light one so it’s more versatile. It’s why it’s so vibrant, it comes from our understanding of light.
@toastbrot97
Жыл бұрын
So the leading argument for RYB is that that's the way it's always been and it's easier for kids to learn? Sure, but it's also much harder to unlearn something that once has been taught wrong, so we might as well teach properly to begin with. I've been tought magenta yellow and cyan in school and i learned it just fine. Kids are not too stupid to learn 2 extra names for colors, especially not if it's something they love doing, like drawing and coloring.
@RosyLiriano-j9e
7 ай бұрын
I also teach my students that every primary of RYB has a warm and cool version.
@lynwilliamson1129
Жыл бұрын
There is a classic textbook on colour by Michael Wilcox for physical colour called Blue and Yellow Don’t Make Green. It is out of print but available second hand…..Virtual colour is based on 0 and 1 the binary basis on which the mathematics of colour in the digital world is based hence hex numbers. Or the use of RGB in light generated by “electronic” sources. The CMYK is useful for physical printing of any kind whether that be your home printer or traditional printmaking. So it really is horses for courses and maybe we should explain how colour varies depending on the medium in which it is used. I think that would make it a bit more understandable to those who are interested in how colour works.
@KuroAneSan
Жыл бұрын
I learned CYM in high school where from my art teacher, so I'm a bit more leaning in that direction.
@baturbaslar
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, with excellent final word and recomendation. It's all about perception, experiment, use all. Great advice.
@chocolat5804
2 жыл бұрын
in my college on the first days, the teacher told us simply this, there is cmyk and rgb, rgb is for screens it's primary on lights, cmyk it's for pigments, basically for paints, and depending on what you're working or the specific device you're going to post, you should use one color sistem or another, bc not every screen will have the same colors, or if you gonna print something, you have to know what paper and printer you are gonna use, to choose correctly and have better colors.
@joykruczay
2 жыл бұрын
Great video! This was linked in a recent Kristy Rice offering. I saw the CMY wheel in a watercolor book decades ago. Often magenta (like Opera) is not lightfast. Your talents and time are really appreciated. BTW, love the Aussie shows like "Jack Irish", "My Life is Murder" and many others.
@SarahRenaeClark
2 жыл бұрын
The lightfast discussion is something I didn’t really know much about when I made this video, but it’s probably the biggest reason why modern painters haven’t fully moved to CMY. Magenta and cyan aren’t as lightfast as many of the traditional colors, so mixing every other color with them would be a bad idea for the longievity of the art!
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