This Bishop is absolutely what we need in NC. He is being honest and not bias. God bless him.
@marilynfutrell6781
2 жыл бұрын
Same here. NC
@cw73
2 жыл бұрын
Bishop Jones is an absolutely Gody man. He is fulfilling his vows exceptionally well. Thank you Bishop Jones for being a great example for all of us!
@marilynfutrell6781
2 жыл бұрын
Wo❤w an honest bishop. Giving the truth.
@ofeliajacinto2327
2 жыл бұрын
Thankyou for sharing about this Bishop Jones ,we need this to know about all what happened in our Churches
@heathersims2057
2 жыл бұрын
I am glad you found it helpful!
@virgilioolonan1789
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bishop Jones for being so objective. How we wish all bishops will deal with issue the way you're doing it. More power to bless people.
@lyndyspencer6798
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting.
@gamnamoo6195
Жыл бұрын
As a UMC member , this presentation by bishop Jones is quite helpful. The word 'progressive' is used instead of 'liberal' and this euphemism is rather misleading. Where is the UMC progressing to with the word 'progressive'? To a direction nothing less than toward resisting the doctrines of apostolic and Wesleyan traditions. It is a sort of progression but not really that toward edifying the church of Jesus Christ built by the 1st century apostles. Jesus didn't approve diverse opinions of people as to who he was, but the one by Peter. It is the job of any church to clarify Peter's view of Christ. If any church is not serious and careful enough to this task and just adopt any view that contradicts Peter's confession, it is NOT a Christian church!
@judyrugg8199
Жыл бұрын
I believe the UMC has left us.
@larrydewein
Жыл бұрын
They left and I left a long long time ago!
@davidrupert5285
Жыл бұрын
It is now under the judgement of God.
@zandraanderson2215
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for honest answers to a very difficult situation.
@joedossantos5718
Жыл бұрын
Good Christian thinking. Nice work.
@dwevors
Жыл бұрын
Christ followers obey the Word of God, not their feelings! Jesus said, if you love me, keep my commandments! Jesus is the WORD, according to John: 1:1. The church is not to be a reflection of society. We are to affect society!
@mardagatan8779
Жыл бұрын
There’s only one rule, and that is what the Bible said. If it is defined as Sin since time GOD said it is wrong and thus Sin, remains Sins till the day of the Lord. That cannot be undermine in whatever persuasion, reasons, progression, or justification. Sin-is-Sin (period)
@chetmyers7041
Жыл бұрын
I'm a school principal and follow Leviticus 20:9
@matthewpharis1544
Жыл бұрын
Great bishop
@dondonaldson9073
Жыл бұрын
How can you mention the Discipline you changed it from what John Wesley said about seria;it y
@Rev.DavidJTowns
Жыл бұрын
The Bible is quite honest about both the human propensity to distort or refuse GOD's revelation and the consequences that result.
@Totem360
Жыл бұрын
Not sure how this works. According to Bishop Jones the UMC has rules and procedures that have been agreed upon in conference by the church as a whole yet there are leaders in the church that will not obey or enforce the agreed upon rules. And it is therefore, apparently Bishop Jones position, that the people who follow the rules should leave the church and the people who don't follow the rules can have the UMC and the real estate and assents the UMC owns which were most likely paid for by those he wants to leave the church. Is this sounding crazy enough yet? Hum, there must not be any provision in these said rules for excommunication of those whom make a lifestyle of not following the agreed upon rules. Bishop Jones also admonishes people in the church to love those who are destroying the UMC and, so to speak, are confiscating the assets of the UMC. What's wrong with this picture? I'm not a Methodist but I highly doubt Wesley would think this is a good and biblical way to run a Christian church. If you are done with this mess, you may want to consider finding a non denominational bible church that has an elder board and bible teachers who use the expository approach to biblical teaching, that being line by line, precept upon precept, staying on the text in teaching through a book of the bible and how its truth enlightens us today.
@caman171
Жыл бұрын
this bishop is NUTS. at the end he says he "hopes there will be a progressive methodist church because it will bring some people to Christ who are lgbtq" what? earlier he said the progressives have clergy that deny Christ/s divinity! well if u dont believe Jesus is what He claimed to be, how can u possibly bring "people to Christ"??? what Christ? certainly not the Christ of the bible! if Jesus was only a man, wasnt resurrected, and wasnt virgin born, why be christian at all? when u deny these doctrines, u cease to be christian. BUT you can still be a good united methodist lol
@davidthompson7538
Жыл бұрын
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
@sandraaskew224
2 жыл бұрын
My church voted tonight and the vote was 57% to 43%. So we lost even though we had the majority vote. This is so unfair!!
@heathersims2057
2 жыл бұрын
That is heartbreaking. I an so sorry. I was praying for your church before and I will continue to pray for your church now.
@dianegoolsby4828
2 жыл бұрын
Oh I'm so sorry. That is my worst nightmare regarding this. That just causes a HUGE split. So difficult. Much prayer needed.
@judithmunson7751
2 жыл бұрын
Some members will have to decide if they move to another, more traditional church...perhaps a Global Methodist Church.
@marilynfutrell6781
2 жыл бұрын
@@dianegoolsby4828 are Methodist Diana. Winston Salem?
@bonhamfan82
Жыл бұрын
Just leave. Find a church that has orthodox values.
@keithwilson6060
Жыл бұрын
The unaddressed lawlessness in the UMC kind of mirrors the lawlessness in society for about the same period, if you notice.
@paulsmith9868
Жыл бұрын
In other words, the church should be driven by the culture, not the scripture?
@keithwilson6060
Жыл бұрын
What’s to “discern?” Seriously.
@bro.kingfish8029
2 жыл бұрын
20:12 "This is a good thing..." ???
@bobsnyder3763
Жыл бұрын
The four presented options: 1) Independent Non-denominational Congregation. 2) Denominational Switch. 3) Global Methodist Church. 4) Remain UMC. While Bishop Jones claims to be neutral, his presentation tells a very different story. When one tells a story and makes a list, there is almost always a purpose to that order. He announces #1 option as “not recommended” and moves through the next three options in increasing agreement. The reality is, if he were completely straightforward, doing nothing and remaining UMC is the recommended option, and he would not be a UMC bishop had he not delicately maneuvered through the nuances of surviving the UMC hierarchy. In other words, regardless of his words, his affinity to support the UMC will prevail. That Jones’ end-of-the-year retirement (2022) provided for him an out, his true colors would have been necessarily revealed otherwise. He would have had to make a much more difficult - and public - stance, either becoming more outspoken against the UMC or following other bishops out the door. You have been advised.
@davewil3
Жыл бұрын
So the GMC will have female pastors? That would seem strange for a denomination that believes in the inerrancy of the Bible.
@barbaraanderson8661
Жыл бұрын
God made people of many colors and of different sexual attractions. Neither of these can be changed no matter how hard a person might try, because society and unfortunately churches have promoted bigotry against them. It saddens me greatly when hatred and bigotry are promoted in Christ’s name and God’s children are driven away from the church because their very existence is defined as a sin.
@jarwillnc
Жыл бұрын
Where did you isolate bigotry and hatred in this message? It's easy to claim that bigotry and hatred are promoted in Christ's name. What's difficult for the unbeliever or a believer who wants to tailor the Bible to suit their personal beliefs to accept the truth that is in the Bible. Look in the mirror...the real bigotry and hatred can be found right there. This is from someone who stopped straddling the rainbow fence 25 years and chose the truth found in God's inspired Word.
@jarwillnc
Жыл бұрын
"....driven away from the church because their very existence is defined as a sin." The Bible addresses the behavior as a sin. It's people like you who are framing the discussion around "existence". Again, check your own hatred and bigotry where this topic is concerned.
@larrydewein
Жыл бұрын
I totally disagree with him about going independent! That would be the best choice or go with Global Methodist Church would be the next best choice! BUT WHATEVER, GET OUT OF THE UNITED METHODIST CHURCH NOW!!
@ruthfreeman864
Жыл бұрын
God says no to homosexuality... period...it is in His Word... in any form... remember Sodom and Gamora ...to stay and condon this behavior... is against Gods Word... this bishop should be quoting Gods word... in light of how to decide what direction to go... to call yourself a Christiaan .... you are following Jesus example... and following His word...sexual sin is sexual sin... read Gods word and let the Holy Spirit lead you... God created man and woman and called it good...God does not want us 'unified' against His word... God calls the behavior an abomination ... have no doubt... stay and condon sin... or find a God fearing church... who following Gods word... beware of wolves in sheep clothing... beware....
@chetmyers7041
Жыл бұрын
Leviticus 20:9
@Keycity60
Жыл бұрын
What happens if the same sex couple wishing to marry are two brothers or a man and his son? How about a brother and sister? How open minded do the liberal bishops imagine themselves to be? Would they deny these couples their right to fulfill their hearts desire? This is on the horizon folks. Let’s get their answers now.
@gordoncochrane6325
Жыл бұрын
All this talk I'n the Church .What a lot of nonsense .Get into the Spirit the flesh is useless to God Pray for Revival and conviction of sin ,like in Wesley"s day ,Do it now!
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