Long live Free Software. I remember meeting Richard M Stallman years back and thinking, "this fella is a little extreme." Lately, I'm thinking, "he's right." This morning I read an essay "The Man Who Killed Google Search," and I see a pattern emerging.
@aniksamiurrahman6365
5 ай бұрын
Open source doesn't deserve this. Long Live Free Software.
@FlavioO
5 ай бұрын
Long live the open source
@ulbuilder
5 ай бұрын
They complain about freeloaders yet won't offer minimal support plans small businesses can afford.
@Mordecrox
4 ай бұрын
That's by design. IBM caters to the cream of the crop
@DUDEBroHey
4 ай бұрын
@@Mordecrox"oh yeah"
@breaking.sublimity
4 ай бұрын
Who are they?
@Electrodexify
4 ай бұрын
Mayor corps who have fat pockets
@edwardmacnab354
4 ай бұрын
@@Mordecrox and yet IBM itself is not the cream of the crop . It is the DINOSAUR in the room
@eldibs
5 ай бұрын
The whole thing about "freeloaders" reminds me of a bit from Extra Credits back in the day. An exec at an MMORPG developer had asked him "How many players who aren't paying us do you expect me to pay for server capacity for?" The answer was "As many as you can get," because those games live and die by their community. Open source software is the same. If nobody wants to use or work on the software, it dies.
@KiraSlith
5 ай бұрын
Back when they were a great source to listen to and learn about game dev rather than a poisoned well. Man, I miss the days when people weren't crazy. 😢
@drxym
5 ай бұрын
It's also bizarre to even talk about freeloaders when IBM bought Hashicorp for $6.4billion. And that's due to the popularity of its open source software and the services and support it profited from by releasing it as such.
@totally_not_a_bot
5 ай бұрын
@@KiraSlithExtra Credits is a poisoned well these days? That's unfortunate. Their Skinner Box video shaped how I look at mtx-based games.
@TheMasterofComment
5 ай бұрын
@KiraSwhat what happened to them
@sceerane8662
5 ай бұрын
@@TheMasterofComment It's run by different people now.
@Watchandlearn91
5 ай бұрын
The problem is corporate America has this very weird trend lately where every year there must be double digit growth on numbers which is not sustainable. So we are in a period where they are firing people, rug pulling open source software, and doing other nasty business moves to try and squeeze every last drop of revenue they can to satisfy that double digit growth. The problem with this strategy and this mindset of always seeking double digit growth is that it isn't sustainable at all. You can only lay off so many people until you have no one left to run the business and you can only squeeze so much money out of people before they go find another product (or a free fork of yours). It'll only be a matter of time before this mindset gets turned upside down and they start looking at hiring a bunch of people and looking at long term revenue again. Then of course, the cycle will repeat itself...
@c1ph3rpunk
5 ай бұрын
Long term hasn’t been looked at in at least a decade, possibly more.
@Watchandlearn91
5 ай бұрын
@@c1ph3rpunk Yep. It's all about the growth numbers this year and only this year. It's just not smart business to only care about right now and it's why these companies kill off so many products in early development too.
@Innesb
5 ай бұрын
This is why companies such as Spotify have increased their prices for the second time in 6 months. They have no additional value to offer, and there is almost no growth, so price increases are the only only way to increase profits. As long as people are prepared to pay those prices (and they appear to be), the corporates will keep increasing them. I’ve ended two subscriptions this year, and KZitem is next; my family subscription price is being doubled next month, and I’m not paying that much, nor will I be watching the appalling adverts. I’m happy to pay a fair price for a service, but I’m not paying more when there is no additional value.
@Pete_xp
5 ай бұрын
@@Watchandlearn91I've seen way too many phenomenal ideas just killed in less than a year because not making enough money
@ThaitopYT
5 ай бұрын
Isn't that the nature of public trade company? and isn't that why Valve's competitors keep killing themself?
@n00bnetrum
5 ай бұрын
I blame Amazon. They built AWS on top of these open source projects and never contribute back anything.
@Grudgie
4 ай бұрын
That's what the elite does, they only take.
@sofiaknyazeva
4 ай бұрын
Every company does this, unfortunately. Apple - Build their macOS/iOS/watchOS/*OS on the open source Mach Micro-kernel (they later convert this to a hybrid kernel), the BSD userland and networking stack, and all other open source programs which are out there. Amazon - Their entire stack is build on open source projects, except a few proprietary ones. Microsoft - They've took the BSD networking stacking and plug into Windows, long ago. This is still the case. Though most of their products are proprietary (build by "them"). Microsoft isn't too "worse" and at least do give back their contributions to the community Google - Same as Microsoft. And many more... Apple is the most evil one here in the list.
@justincastilla3082
4 ай бұрын
Yep. This is partially why Redis changed the license. They had someone on the books, but the contributions paled in comparison to their profits.
@jpsion
4 ай бұрын
misinformation! check out the contributors of Opensource
@roryb.bellows8617
4 ай бұрын
Maybe, but they’re free to do so under most open source licenses. They could very easily make their code GPL instead of rug-pulling, so this doesn’t excuse them.
@JellyLancelot
5 ай бұрын
Freeloaders though have indirect revenue benefits which are often ignored. The same people that will be running home labs are the same sort of people that will spend time in technical forums and implementation at large organisations. You are winning hearts and minds the same way that Adobe used to give out free software to education institutions. You familiarise your product base and the people who will be making implementation decisions at companies with your product so that when the enterprise money rolls around you’re the top pick. By making the nerds hate you, you’re not gonna do well.
@JeffGeerling
5 ай бұрын
This is exactly what the MBA folks who make the relicensing decisions don't get. Though, in the short term they do juice the numbers, the bonuses get paid out, and when they are eventually dismissed with their golden parachutes, they rinse and repeat somewhere else. Sadly, a tale as old as [corporate open source].
@tankerkiller125
5 ай бұрын
This is basically Cloudflare's entire model. Get the home lab users and small time VPS users absolutely hooked on free services, and then when they need DDoS protection, CDN, etc. services at work, the first place they turn too is Cloudflare, maybe even the free plan initially, but eventually, that business will pay for those services, and usually pay a really good premium for it.
@SnakebitSTI
5 ай бұрын
It's enshittification. Earn hearts and minds until your product is dominant, then take away free options and crank up prices once businesses will struggle to switch to a competitor.
@mattiviljanen8109
5 ай бұрын
The home lab tinkerers are also somewhat likely to run more or less "exotic" system and bump into bugs. Reporting and fixing them helps everybody. Freeloader? It depends.
@marcogenovesi8570
5 ай бұрын
They are after the corporate freeloaders. At work we have whole departments that exist on running Ansible and Terraform. Nobody pays nothing to redhat/IBM/whatever owners. All firewalls we use are pfsense community and so on. If we had to pay for all the opensource we are using, the company would shut down
@MikeButash
5 ай бұрын
My current customer wanted to look at at an enterprise LDAP solution to replace OpenLDAP, and was interested in Redhat Directory server, and their whole IdP suite. Reaching out to sales, it took almost 3 weeks to even setup a technical call to demo the product, and then the engineer that was do demo didn't bother to show or setup anyone else to do it. After that I literally just never heard a word from sales again like we weren't worth bothering with. Apparently they really don't like to sell things, so why do they bother buying anyone?
@JeffGeerling
5 ай бұрын
Sometimes the response times depend on how many zeros you represent in ARR... if you're not big enough, or an existing client, it can be weird. Like, you want to pay them money-but you don't have enough money to make them want to take you on!
@MikeButash
5 ай бұрын
Quite exactly said, but you'd think with a little decency they'd just tell you that you're not worth the hassle and to fsck off. I just had a call last week with an enterprise pki vendor I won't name that at least said exactly that. He was cool about it, but he was like "look, we're not really structured for smaller customers like you, I don't think you'll like the price". While annoying, I appreciate they didn't screw me around, even setup a follow up call to discuss the product anyways. IBM was just sort of weird about it. The sales person was admittedly new, it wasn't like a large product to them, no one seemed to know or care to talk about their Directory Services product or IdP. I have dealt with likes of Cisco off and on for 25 years, I know this sort well, but IBM just seems clueless and broken to even handle modern business. I imagine IBM will drive these acquisitions into obscurity outside anything but the "too large to fail" customers of theirs. For everyone else, there's a fork for that.
@robertb6276
5 ай бұрын
Why though, OpenLDAP is perfectly capable.
@MikeButash
5 ай бұрын
@@robertb6276 Current systems are very old/unloved, and have problem. Plus the customer was interested in something with a nice gui to tie it together, ala IPA, or whatever it morphed into after IBM borg'd them. Sadly I guess I'll never know, as I'll not make the call twice. Yes there's FreeIPA, but there is some desire for something at worst case I can call and have someone walk a person through support, upgrades, whatever. A prior org I worked for used FreeIPA prior, it had issues there too, usually in bugs and support that everyone just wanted it replaced. Just need an easy button really, and they're willing to throw money at the problem, at least short of getting some in-house expertise to run it.
@JeffGeerling
5 ай бұрын
@@MikeButash True; when I worked at Acquia, they did have a policy to basically figure out the size of the company, and if it was too small, just cut off the relationship politely, because it's a waste of both the sales and the small company's time. It'd be nice to have 'official smaller product recommendations' though, for those cases.
@44Bigs
5 ай бұрын
About the 'just make your software proprietary' argument at 6:20: that's the thing with the bait and switch: these projects would never have grown as fast had they not been open source. Open Source instills trust in users (and business decision makers who think it's free), which is abused through CLAs and rug pulls. I never batted an eye at CLA's before because I didn't understand the implications. Thanks for educating us, Jeff!
@SeanCMonahan
5 ай бұрын
I had a couple of small features I was considering implementing in VSCode, until I noticed the CLA. Nah, I'm good. I don't want to build on top of a rug.
@jsrodman
5 ай бұрын
The tradition of CLAs stated with the FSF, which they did for possibly good reasons suchbas making it easier for them to negotiate with bad actors. Some still feel the FSF is above reproach, but i think the years have shown it's a model with serious problems. ID rather they led the way in showing how to do this better to ensure free software stays free.
@HANU8
4 ай бұрын
Gilder said it right, what you get when you give out software for free is market share. He meant it in the context of trapping people into the AI advertising machine of the "free" Google products. If free software as in gratis did not exist, software made for small size or individuals would still exist. Check out the price of TurboPascal in the 80s and an actual commercial license of Visual Studio today. Big-business and especially big service providers with captive audiences benefited by open source, eliminating cheap actual solutions for their small competitors.
@jamieknight326
4 ай бұрын
We’re being exceptionally careful of this in our company. It’s a bit of a minefield.
@Serizon_
4 ай бұрын
Yea but for a company revenue matters , maybe they couldn't have grown this big but they could've grown and monetize good enough yknow , maybe they could earn more revenue through this than open source and building a community in first place
@gorangagrawal
5 ай бұрын
The way corporates and media are using "Open-Source" term makes me afraid, that one day it too will have negative sentiment similar to term "Hacking".
@collectorguy3919
5 ай бұрын
It's a negative sentiment among idiots ... with power. OK, I see your point.
@dfs-comedy
5 ай бұрын
Any time greed gets involved, things go south. I never trust corporate open-source. I actually ran a software company for 19 years. We published some free software (GPL license) but our commercial product was not open source. We didn't pretend that it was; it was proprietary from the start and people went in knowing that.
@josephbrandenburg4373
5 ай бұрын
Hey, what do you think about this: a proprietary software with an open-source covenant; so it becomes GPL automatically after a certain date or after a new version of the proprietary software is released? I've been thinking about writing some programs and this is currently my plan for monetization without restricting freedom.
@dfs-comedy
5 ай бұрын
@@josephbrandenburg4373 I think that still restricts freedom, and there's no guarantee the covenant will be adhered to or be enforceable. If you ever hit it big and want to sell your company, a purchaser will demand removal of that covenant. If you want to monetize your software, make it proprietary and sell it using the normal proprietary business model. If eventually you decide to open-source it, then that's just gravy.
@elongated_muskrat_is_my_name
5 ай бұрын
If they can effectively monetise the code by selling it (rather than it driving customers to the stuff you are selling) then it's crazy that companies were making it OS in the first place. Or maybe they can't actually monetise it.
@Brad-qw1te
4 ай бұрын
@@josephbrandenburg4373that sounds like a really good idea!
@Serizon_
4 ай бұрын
Thanks l love open source, but as a company owner , I am just thinking of creating proprietary solutions and maybe open source side projects
@hamcha
5 ай бұрын
Big FOSS projects should openly advertise adopting DCO instead of CLA or just generally not having a CLA. It's a poison pill and it should be loudly called out every time. My own rebellion is using AGPL for everything I make in my spare time.
@itsamemario5826
5 ай бұрын
I prefer to use AGPL even when the software can't be hosted, because at least if someone modifies it to add such features they can't get around the license
@jamesross3939
5 ай бұрын
I too like the AGPL (if for no other reason it ticks of the proponents who think all open source should be MIT / BSD ... )
@joshuaboniface
5 ай бұрын
With Jellyfin we explicitly don't have a CLA precisely to keep us honest. By not having a CLA, we've made it functionally impossible to ever change the license (it was before, but that's not the point). Linux is the same way. More projects need to look at CLAs like the corporate cancer they are and ditch them. There is literally zero upside for contributors, only for the project owner (usually, a company just itching for the rugpull moment).
@acuteaura
5 ай бұрын
I'd recommend the EUPL. The AGPL has some fuzziness in how "linking" can be interpreted, especially in regards to your app using an AGPL licensed work via API, and if that infects your app (Minio believes this; MongoDB when they used AGPL did not). The FSF actually suggests that if you use an AGPL licensed reverse proxy, you should hijack the first request to the proxy to offer the user a copy of the source. And then presumably set a cookie.
@Megasteel32
5 ай бұрын
I personally use CC BY SA NC (this is a free license contrary to what some capitalist pigs may believe)
@rdmsh
5 ай бұрын
It’s almost like Stallman warned us
@Ebalosus
3 ай бұрын
Stallperson continues to be Nostradamuspilled.
@veritas7010
3 ай бұрын
his rthetoric is obvious. The only problem is seeing it through the eyes of a corporate fear induced pest
@sirdeboben
5 ай бұрын
You can't go back once you're open source!
@PsRohrbaugh
5 ай бұрын
So go take IBM's legal team to court and let me know how it goes. The problem is that licenses mean nothing and it all boils down to which legal team has more money.
@morph-
5 ай бұрын
@@PsRohrbaughI think what they mean is that you can always fork the project before it gets that far.
@hubertnnn
5 ай бұрын
@@PsRohrbaugh That is true for any legal system. Richer always wins, because he can just keep extending the case until the poorer runs out of money. And many legal systems have to looser rule where the loosing side has to pay for winner's court fees. That's why Japanese system is much better. I learned a few years ago that in Japan they have 3 days to rule a verdict, so you cannot just keep extending it to infinity.
@autohmae
5 ай бұрын
depends, if they have BSD/MIT license or CLA, they definitely can.
@jfwfreo
5 ай бұрын
Once a particular set of source code is released under a given open source license (GPL, BSD, MIT, LGPL, AGPL or whatever else) it will always be legal to use that particular set of code under the terms of that license.
@MCRuCr
5 ай бұрын
"And they're not even a pointless AI company" love you man
@flaskdjango6092
5 ай бұрын
I'm going to the comments section, tell mum I love her.
@silenciothequiet3471
5 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@internallyinteral
5 ай бұрын
🍿🍿🍿
@subtropical-yearning
4 ай бұрын
i mentioned it to her last night, she sends her regards
@Technopath47
5 ай бұрын
To the multi-billion dollar corpos, you're freeloading off contributors, so calling people who use your stuff is hypocritical. If you want people to contribute, you need to contribute back, it's that simple.
@shadow7037932
5 ай бұрын
Yup. We saw how many companies were relying on key OSS tools when we saw situations like Heartbleed happen.
@passenger175
4 ай бұрын
Does the license oblige you to contribute back?
@MichaFita
4 ай бұрын
@@passenger175yes and no, depends. Many companies are in violation of GPL regarding Linux Kernel, but they're not legally chased as they contribute back in the end. Legal threat would cause them withdrawing their contributions.
@Goobicon4507
5 ай бұрын
It's funny younger generations expected these large corporations to play nice and get all surprised when they pull the rug out from under you because it's not profitable.
@ucantSQ
4 ай бұрын
lol, which younger generation do you know? My generation is the most cynical yet. We ain't trust no corporations. We barely trust our grandmothers.
@tschorsch
2 ай бұрын
They're a lot more critical than older generations. Older generations are a lot more accepting of abuse by corporations.
@bzuidgeest
5 ай бұрын
A product like terraform itself, no doubt relies on other open source projects. Projects to which they could be considered freeloaders. Another term for freeloader is basically a user. The example projects have all been forked and IBM likely bought a dead horse. Good for them they wouldn't know what to do with a live one, likely to kill it.
@devops1044
5 ай бұрын
Terraform is basically a single executable. The download is not even a zip. There are no prereq's. I haven't looked at the code so I can't say if there's other OSS encapsulated inside, but doesn't seem like Satellite which combines multiple projects. And think about what it does. It uses a proprietary syntax to make a bunch of different APIs accessible through a single syntax. They've built it based on API information released by cloud providers and virtualization providers. I'd go so far as to say, if your project provides resources on network or cloud, you want there to be terraform modules to deploy your stuff. "These two projects produce similar outputs. A is manual deployed, B can deployed using Terraform." "Give me B", every time.
@LtdJorge
5 ай бұрын
@@devops1044Just by using Go they are depending on OSS
@zakk4223
5 ай бұрын
@@devops1044 Terraform is written in go, which compiles all the prereqs into that single binary. It does indeed pull in a variety of open source dependencies, of varying license flavors.
@bzuidgeest
5 ай бұрын
@@devops1044 that just means they linked things statically. If you don't know what it is, Google it, but it produces a single executable despite external dependencies. Given what it does, static linking is smart.
@lordmarshmal_0643
5 ай бұрын
There's an XKCD comic about this! I forget which ID it is though
@stephane153
5 ай бұрын
It's really all about money for the CEO's and shareholders...
@aniksamiurrahman6365
5 ай бұрын
The greatest freeloaders of all.
@marcogenovesi8570
5 ай бұрын
@@aniksamiurrahman6365 shareholders are investing money, that's not really freeloading
@ErikS-
5 ай бұрын
and lawyers that contribute nothing, but run away with the most filled pockets!
@IamYuto
5 ай бұрын
the real cancer of our current world
@JollyGiant19
5 ай бұрын
Some say it’s why the CEO was hired and why the shareholders bought shares
@soviut303
5 ай бұрын
Let's not lose sight of the fact that this is mostly happening because giant cloud providers take these projects and make paid services that undercut any paid hosting the original project can offer. Elastic didn't change their license because they were greedy, they changed it so that they could survive financially by forcing AWS and friends to actually pay for licenses.
@ZiggyTheHamster
5 ай бұрын
And then AWS and friends sponsored a fork that is thriving and still aren't paying for licenses. A better strategy would be to be proprietary software to begin with, or have an open core with proprietary addons (which can run on a hypothetical hosted AWS service - Amazon Managed Grafana is an example of this model). Or do like Redis Labs used to do and have the best management/control plane imaginable on top of the open source thing that AWS can run. Since that's ultimately what you're competing on anyways.
@jorymil
5 ай бұрын
Seems like it's time to modify licenses to disallow paid cloud hosting. While what Amazon did was legal, it was pretty unethical. If you're so good at hosting something that you keep the product's creators from profiting from their invention, you're in effect killing the product. Or... perhaps the model of corporations being based around open-source projects simply doesn't work any longer. The idea of a corporate "community" is somewhat dubious to begin with: there's an inherent conflict between stock prices and maintaining the sort of shared values that define a community in the first place. I'm pretty down on public corporations in general ATM: the shared value of quarterly profits too often supersedes their longer-term negative consequences.
@soviut303
5 ай бұрын
@@jorymil That's what's happening with these license changes but since there aren't any good "free for the little guy, paid for the big guy" licenses they just go with aggressive corporate licenses. Open source was simply not prepared for cloud providers drinking everyone's milkshakes at the same time.
@lauraprates8764
5 ай бұрын
Not true, if they weren't OSS they probably wouldn't get that many costumers, it's not like they are the victims, they are pretty much the "bad" guys, they didn't want the bad part while also having all the benefits. If you want to make an OSS you should be aware that companies and other ppl might use without giving what you think you deserve, that's bad, but it's how the world works, just don't play the victim as if you didn't benefit from it, or as if you didn't know the consequences
@devops1044
5 ай бұрын
@@jorymil This sort of thing is cyclic. Companies raise prices, they lose market share, they lower prices, the get some back.
@repatch43
5 ай бұрын
I'm honestly confused as to why ANYONE would sign a CLA? To me it seems like you're giving a ton to the company, but not getting a single thing back?
@JeffGeerling
5 ай бұрын
The company would say 'you can have our software free!' ...(for now)
@bzuidgeest
5 ай бұрын
@@JeffGeerlingyou can also have that without a contribution. Just don't sign that cla
@petermichaelgreen
5 ай бұрын
Realisitically, the alternative to signing a CLA is not having your changes incorporated upstream, and having a much lower chance of getting them incorporated into packages in major linux distros. Sure you can maintain your own local fork, but that requires ongoing effort, means other people don't benefit from your changes and the more local changes you build up the harder it gets to merge new upstream versions.
@MarkRose1337
5 ай бұрын
Because maintaining your own fork is a lot of work. Sometimes you just want/need a bug fixed and aren't making major contributions.
@Phroreko
5 ай бұрын
And sometimes you just wanna help some other users with a fix or something. What, you're gonna open a fork with just your fix and possibly maintain the fork on your own with any upstream changes? And even then, who the hell is gonna use your random fork unless it's a super enticing change? Outside of stuff like the aforementioned hashicorp shitshow where there is a sudden impetus for people to move elsewhere, probably not worth it. Not saying CLAs are good, but sometimes it's just the path of least resistance to contributing something and that's sometimes all people want.
@linuxrobotgeek
5 ай бұрын
Ugh, glad I switched from Terraform to Open Tofu
@daidaloscz
5 ай бұрын
How different is it from terraform? I spent a couple weeks migrating a lot of my homelab to terraform... Is it gonna be a pain to switch?
@bltzcstrnx
5 ай бұрын
Open Tofu is supported by The Linux Foundation. Go and take a look at their sponsors. You'll not use their projects if you want to stay away from corporations.
@DarrenPoulson
5 ай бұрын
@@daidaloscz At the moment, little to no difference. If you want to change, now is the time before the forks diverge too much.
@RicardoSantos-oz3uj
5 ай бұрын
@@bltzcstrnx What if the Linux foundation gets bought?
@bltzcstrnx
5 ай бұрын
@@RicardoSantos-oz3uj they have enough sponsors to not get bought.
@HurricaneRainbowOG
5 ай бұрын
that's why it's called Free and Open Source - there's a distinction right there people miss or forget. OS has always been known to be a trap in terms of not having a bait & switch happening, if a known corpo is involved. count on it disappearing. they have to from the get go have already in place measures that that move to closed source profit driven drivel doesn't happen. hence the need for the gpl and friends
@NostalgiaandChaos
4 ай бұрын
The few hobbyist projects I know well with open source licenses have some huge innovations because anyone can add onto it. Gridfinity (which has seen modifications to the core base units as way of improvement), the Dactyl Manuform (which is a branch of a branch and has its own countless variations and projects around it), these are just 2 of the open source projects that I know of that so many passionate, driven people have contributed to, and it's amazing to see what comes out of a project that's open like that vs a company trying to hide all their code so competitors don't get it. Kinda seems like that leads to resting on your own laurels which halts innovation until some other company basically rewrites your products but with better functionality.
@garrettrinquest1605
5 ай бұрын
This is why I won't use corporate owned distros like Fedora, Ubuntu, etc. Or anything under the FUTO license. They have a clause that they can remove any forks they don't like, so that option is completely out if they ever decide to pull the rug
@thehady1
5 ай бұрын
Fedora is great though
@Davvg
5 ай бұрын
@@thehady1great _right now_
@TheGraemeEvans
5 ай бұрын
I'm honestly blown away Americans bitching about capitalism when it's simultaneously touted as the cornerstone of a free society.
@thehady1
5 ай бұрын
@@TheGraemeEvansI agree but open source ideology itself somehow contradicts capitalism so anyone believing in opensource is almost against capitalism and not every American necessarily likes or supports capitalism
@ra2enjoyer708
5 ай бұрын
@@thehady1 There is no open source outside of capitalism though.
@andre-le-bone-aparte
5 ай бұрын
Developers: Open Source requires that you share for all to benefit IBM: Open Source requires ShareHolders to benefit
@alexlohr7366
5 ай бұрын
There's life in the old dog yet. You may be able to pull the rug from under a commercial OSS project, but you cannot avoid the community forking the previously open version, like it happened with Audacity. What you can do is to provide a commercial version beside the still maintained open source version with better features, but you can again not stop the community from providing those features yourself; you can just ask them not to do it, which will only work if the relationship is good.
@Rkrhlkum
5 ай бұрын
Anyone spotted the new eclipse photo on the wall? Both are looking amazing!
@JeffGeerling
5 ай бұрын
Ha! It was going to make a surprise appearance tomorrow, but after the HashiCorp buyout, I made a quick video here today!
@johnswanson217
4 ай бұрын
At this point I'll have to write my own database with RISC-V assembly.
@coachleif
5 ай бұрын
Something tells me very few people in the comments would turn down the 6B
@MarcoGPUtuber
5 ай бұрын
But the Jeff Geerling Channel is very much alive and thriving.
@maff1989
5 ай бұрын
WOW I posted my comment to Richard Stalman's article and then you literally BROUGHT UP THIS EXACT ARTICLE. Love it.
@aw2031zap
5 ай бұрын
I love OSS, but when your boss is worried about "support" so he can CYA when something goes wrong by saying "we paid for support" - it doesn't even matter if that support on average is trash, as long as it's on paper "supported" that makes the managerial class sleep at night. And while there's always at least a few grand in excess budget every year which could be donated to OSS projects we use, it just doesn't happen.
@DoctorSpaniel
5 ай бұрын
really awesome video. to put it simply: stallman was right P.S: i love that eclipse pic you have on your wall in the back, did you make that yourself or is there somewhere where i can buy one?
@JeffGeerling
5 ай бұрын
I have a copy available on www.redshirtjeff.com - but if you want a print of it, please email me too, the copy that's up on the store site has a slight background flaw that I can't re-upload yet. I will hopefully have that fixed next month!
@Madwonk
5 ай бұрын
The CentOS debacle is why I've moved all my stuff to debian over the years, including my personal machine. Community supported so I can trust it won't go away, though I totally understand why companies may prefer enterprise Linux (if engineer time is more valuable than money). Sadly, greed is the engine seemingly driving these changes. It's interesting how private companies with strong leadership (Valve, Canonical, Nextcloud) have avoided these traps and specifically built products loved by the community while contributing to Open Source as a whole.
@eekee6034
5 ай бұрын
Thank you for reminding me there are still people and companies who care about their customers.
@_lars
5 ай бұрын
Same, been using Debian on home servers since 2006. Never been disapponted. When Red Hat announced that EOL for CentOS 8 was cut short by several years, I convinced everyone at work (MSP) that it was insane and foreboding and that we should switch to Debian from our all-CentOS shop. It took quite some time, but the rest of the fiascos have just cemented how right I was. We had just migrated our whole VI to VMware (because it's what larger enterprises do, right?) when Broadcom announced their "maximize profit and screw everyone including our customers" plan. It's hard to not become depressed. I'm so disappointed in this greedy "all profit and bottom line" world, I'm thinking about leaving the IT field altogheter at least once a week. :( Just waiting for IBM to crap on Ansible now. I know their execs want to.
@alex84632
5 ай бұрын
Canonical is not on the side of users anymore. They're coercing people to use Snap despite it being inferior to Flatpak because it keeps them in exclusive control of the software supply chain.
@Madwonk
5 ай бұрын
@@alex84632 this is not true, there are tradeoffs between flatpak and snap and nobody is forcing you to use one or the other. Personally, I use both.
@eekee6034
5 ай бұрын
@@alex84632 Thanks for the reminder; I'd forgotten about that. I was surprised to see Canonical in the list for another reason. I once knew a very good programmer and staunch open-source supporter who got a job with Canonical. In just a few weeks, he left to go work for a closed-source company, saying, "It's better to work with misguided smart people than with idiots doing the right thing." They were so stupid, he couldn't bear to work there even if he had to sacrifice his principles to get away.
@Skylord12345
5 ай бұрын
Hey Jeff - What are your thoughts on the Home Assistant CLA? I've been focusing a bunch of my effort into HA as of late and now you got me all paranoid lol
@tyggna
4 ай бұрын
I have been a big advocate for corporations open-sourcing their efforts over the past decade and largely clicked this for the same reason people often click on inflammatory clickbait headlines. Gotta say, you're spot on and I completely agree with everything you said. I enjoy making broken things work and having a CLA option gives me a route to do that legally, so I will always appreciate that for software that was conceived in the proprietary world. If it started as an open-source project then what you're talking about here feels pretty much like business interests finding a way to legally steal the efforts of others for profit.
@conradludgate
5 ай бұрын
I'm very happy and lucky to be working full time on an apache2 licensed PaaS, with no CLA
@JeffGeerling
5 ай бұрын
There is still good in the world :D
@tschorsch
2 ай бұрын
A CLA is not really required for an Apache 2 license. They can just redistribute everything under a different license at any time without requiring any permission.
@MnemonicCarrier
5 ай бұрын
I was a freeloader for a decade or so. Then I started my own business, and now I financially contribute very generously to all the open source (free software) projects my business has come to rely upon.
@JeffGeerling
5 ай бұрын
I started the same way; needed some tool to organize media in college and allow video playback over the web. I found Drupal and used it because it was all I could afford (free). When I got my first job, we poured $50-100k into the Drupal ecosystem for years, and were able to contribute dozens of modules, core patches, and community mentorship. None of that would've happened if I didn't dip my toes in the water for it being the best 'free' option initially.
@KasperPlougmann
5 ай бұрын
What about when very big companies like Microsoft or AWS depends on and lives by these open source projects that barely had any funding, and where the companies are not contributing? That's the kind of freeloading that makes me accept dual licensing for the projects.
@hypnotico7051
5 ай бұрын
I can't speak with the other projects but redis has already put a target on their back. Valkey, it's open source replacement already has a ton of industry support so as soon as it becomes stable projects will be migrated to that.
@JeffGeerling
5 ай бұрын
Already making plans to move my own remaining few bits of infra using redis to valkey!
@d1ngd0
5 ай бұрын
Random comment, the guy yelling is Brendan Gregg. Brian Cantrill must have been the one filming? Either way, both of them are super interesting people. The talks they have given over the years are both very good.
@timbambantiki
5 ай бұрын
fuck IBM. THis is why i dont use Fedora linux
@Beryesa.
5 ай бұрын
Well Fedora has a separate community in the end though
@hubertnnn
5 ай бұрын
Well, IBM was always kinda evil. 10 years ago I had a lecture at university done by an IBM employee. He told us that it does not matter if your product is good or garbage, if you advertise it well, you will sell it. I asked him "If I buy your product and its garbage I wont buy anything more from you". His answer was: "Who cares, you already bought." Pretty much that is the mindset of IBM and many modern companies. And the sad thing is that they teach this scummy behavior to young generations.
@mcpr5971
5 ай бұрын
OpenBMC tho
@betag24cn
5 ай бұрын
fedora is not that bad, is not the best, i personally rigth npw when i use linux i use mint
@hubertnnn
5 ай бұрын
@@betag24cn Its not about being good or bad, its about supporting companies that tend to abuse its position and harm others.
@ibmezouar
5 ай бұрын
I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but Talend has announced they will no longer offer free version of their ETL software (Talend Open Studio)
@KevKevAllen
5 ай бұрын
Didn’t understand a single word. Does this affect the end users of open source software or just the not-on-payroll developers? What exactly is “corporate open source”?
@maxinehayes90
5 ай бұрын
If im volunteering my work I'm choosing the license. I did this with Oela Box and specifically picked the GPL v3 to prevent rug pulling. Smaller contributions with less significance are okay to be under MIT or BSD. I'm getting fed up with these rugpulls. I've seen more rugpulls in OSS than I have as a crypto miner.
@JeffGeerling
5 ай бұрын
I've switched to GPLv3 for all my projects moving forward. If a project still has MIT/BSD I leave it (changing it could be a hassle, since many projects have contributions from others), but otherwise GPLv3 all the way.
@cem_kaya
5 ай бұрын
The second picture of the eclipse in the background looks very nice.
@nickhbt
5 ай бұрын
Richard Stalman was right all along. Calling it free (libre) software keeps it's reason to exist front and center.
@sirdeboben
5 ай бұрын
If I was president, companies who did the bait and switch with software would go to jail and the software would become public domain.
@NeptuneSega
5 ай бұрын
Hahahah okay...
@sirdeboben
5 ай бұрын
@@NeptuneSega good economies need reliability and predictability. We don't need to waste people's time re-engineering code just because some company wants to hord some money. Tech is for the people.
@asdf072xxp
5 ай бұрын
People who went to school for an MBA are a different breed. Squeeze out the most possible revenue now. If you kill the product, abandon the wreckage, blame others, and move on to the next project.
@virkony
4 ай бұрын
I think, that "pulling the rug" actually helps to see how much community can go on without corporate leadership/force. There is no magic rule that always works. You have to always account for possibility that further work may require forking. And read that CLA to ensure that right for what you about to contribute isn't going to be taken away from you. In my opinion, this mostly affects consumers that assume that every open source project is guaranteed to be available for free use as long as fitting the license. That "pulling the rug" by corporations is no much different from project being abandoned or halted due to political turmoil. I would say it is even better since you have an additional option. You can pay for something that you want without need to make/maintain fork yourself.
@RogueA.I.
5 ай бұрын
Once a company accepts VC money, the priority is no longer the software. VC money won’t come in without a clear path to going public. Once public, the company has a legal, fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders, not the community. You can complain about it all you want but, you’d also complain when the companies in the funds in your retirement account are worthless because the aren’t making money from their services. The law is there to protect the investors.
@gbenselum
5 ай бұрын
This needs to be a series. Good video.
@chuckfarley7642
5 ай бұрын
OK, I realize this is going to be an unpopular opinion here. And Jeff, I love your channel and the work that you do, but... I do not believe that free or open source are viable economic models. The idea has never made sense to me. I think it "appears" to work for two reasons - 1) companies will gladly use anything you give them for free - it helps their bottom line, 2) there is so much many flying around this industry that some companies will pay for their employees to work on someone else's code for good PR. This cannot last forever (though it has admittedly lasted a lot longer than I predicted). It defies both economic theories and common sense. In 31 years as a professional programmer I have never contributed a line of code to anyone that wasn't paying me (except for some retrocomputing hobby projects with zero commercial value). Nor do I understand why anyone would. If you choose to, you can't then complain that you are being exploited. Can anyone name another industry where a model like this actually works? Where individuals will volunteer hours of labor to help a private enterprise and expect nothing in return.
@erichb4530
4 ай бұрын
It's not just open source with rug pulling happening. There are literally televisions that release software updates that require accepting a new user agreement to continue using the television you purchased, which is changing the agreement post purchase.
@davel202
5 ай бұрын
Glad this is getting more attention. I’m not sure what these companies will do when they can’t hire experts at any price for their stack that has been pruned of users
@RicardoFiorani
5 ай бұрын
What about the work made by the community? All the developers who spent hours actually BUILDING these projects for free? Do they get a share of $$ from IBM since it was their work?
@Beregorn88
5 ай бұрын
"if you don't want freeloaders to use your software, then make it proprietary" "but then I would have to pay for its development! ☹️"
@SmithyScotland
5 ай бұрын
Coming soon to Home Assistant? Raspberry Pi going the same way.
@marcogenovesi8570
5 ай бұрын
Raspberry Pi has gone the same way years ago, now it's corporate embedded platform first and community second
@MichaelLazarski
5 ай бұрын
One thing add here. Some of these now not open source projects had great devs contributing to that project and once you pull the rug these people will stop working on that project so usually what happens is that the project/software will get worse and worse over time and will also fall behind because the big corps have a hard time adopting to new trends.
@kanadaj3275
4 ай бұрын
The reason many OSS companies are moving to BSL (or preferably something closer to Sentry's FSL) is that they keep struggling for funding to maintain their software and organization while companies like Amazon gobble up all the profit by deploying the exact same software (sometimes with minor modifications, if even that) to their public clouds as a hosted service. I don't think FSL (or even BSL but that one has some issues) is inherently evil - it's not like you cannot use the software yourself, you just can't offer a competing commercial solution with the same software as the maintainer. People can still deploy the same software on the same cloud manually, without giving the public cloud money for using a free software they didn't even make.
@ibgib
5 ай бұрын
Going to be a moot point once we get a streamlined distributed open source + open data + open metadata interoperable ecosystem. It's finer grained than file-level version control, unifies derivative code/data management and provenance (beyond git + gitops), and applies to many domains beyond source code, i.e. text. It will be a new paradigm with a focus on space and time.
@Cooliofamily
4 ай бұрын
Was just at BSides Seattle where they was a discussion on open source info - there was a graph that showed start ups, then individual community members, then corps as the highest contributors to osint, my question was, as with software, start ups want to be bought by corps, what will happen to osint sources as start ups are bought by corps? That’s the trend, will they give up the projects? Will they shelve them or scrap them or sell them or change their foundations? Lots of interesting things to think about for sure.
@kushagrakarira
5 ай бұрын
Help me what comes after Embrace, Extend ?
@AngriestEwok
5 ай бұрын
If a company builds their product on top of an open source project, meaning they've taken help from the community to test and fix it, then the community should own it, not the company. If said company then decides to screw over the community by claiming 'this is mine now' like some spoilt toddler, then the community needs to have the legal right to sue that company. If that's not how open source licencing works, then it bloody well needs to be. I don't mind if they charge for support or even for proprietary bolt-on extras or whatever - just as long as the core product they took from open source or developed as open source remains truly open and not any of this BS 'kinda sorta open but not really' nonsense.
@bltzcstrnx
5 ай бұрын
What community? Do you mean corporate backed community?
@hubertnnn
5 ай бұрын
As someone said in another comment, that IS how open source works, they have no legal right to change the license while it is open source. The problem is that no one is able to win a legal battle against a big company like IBM because no one has enough money to survive it. In court it does not matter what is legal or what is right, it matters who has more money to either bribe or extend the case until the opponent runs out of money.
@L0okmefication
5 ай бұрын
For me, the case has been clear for years: if it's coming from a company and it's a product (not a byproduct like React), don't put any effort into it and ALWAYS build your architecture so that you can quickly yoink the dependency. Sooner or later there will always be a business decision that Fs you. The only projects that are to be trusted are those by communities, that maybe have an NGO attached to it. Even those with a single (or very few) main developer(s) and no formal processes are risky IMO, as the Gitea escapade has shown.
@ErikS-
5 ай бұрын
Why doesnt the open source community (GNU?) not launch a class action lawsuit against IBM?! I mean, the changes to these licenses go against what any contributor did not sign up for! Why would the original community members that contributed to the project, not be compensated for their contributions!?
@michaelutech4786
5 ай бұрын
I think trust in business entities as a general attitude is misplaced. There are exceptions, but they are rare enough to best serve as exceptions contrasting the iron clad rule that profit does not translate into universal benefits. There was a time when I got lulled into the illusion that companies such as Canonical and Redhat might be an indicator that a generally friendly attitude on "both sides" can actually change how society works. But that's already more than a decade in the past. I'm still not on board with FSF's dogmatic approach, but I certainly am happy that the FSF increasingly garners recognition for their mission. What bothers me is this: Software was for quite a while the motor of social and economical innovation. That gave us software engineers a means to have an impact on that change. Now that motor will be AIs, their integration into business and the big data (as well as big computation power) that is required to train AIs. We have no say in that. We're probably going to regret our non-chalance.
@drxym
5 ай бұрын
And this is why Terraform source code got forked last year and literally all new development will happen over there from now on. And the big cloud platforms will likely go where the action is. So IBM just bought a lemon, they just don't know it yet. If they have sense they'll open the license back up and prostrate themselves before the community hoping to heal the rift.
@JeffGeerling
5 ай бұрын
Ultimately, I do hope they try to repair the Terraform rift.
@fakecubed
5 ай бұрын
Nothing wrong with corporate open source. They add a lot of value to the project, and if/when they try to pull the rug, there is an instant fork that everyone using that software will keep on using, as we've seen. The corporation that tries it screwed on the deal. Chances are very good that another corporate backer will come in and pick up the slack because they've been relying on that software themselves. Ultimately it's not really any different than a maintainer change on some community project, except the name of the software changes. Without corporate money pouring into open source, it wouldn't be anywhere near as successful and widespread as it is. We also rely on corporations backing open source projects to pay for a lot of security auditing and fixes. They're the ones with the most to lose, and they're the ones who can afford to make it secure.
@DemonyPlays
5 ай бұрын
The capitalist profit motive goes directly against open source.
@SkylearJ
5 ай бұрын
Always picking the wrong boogey man, tsk tsk tsk
@DemonyPlays
5 ай бұрын
@@SkylearJ It's only a boogey man for illiterate people.
@romdotdog
5 ай бұрын
@@SkylearJHow so?
@GSBarlev
5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the note of actionable optimism here (especially as someone living currently living 5:15). Two steps forward, one step back, but comparing the FOSS world now to what existed even five years ago, and I'm feeling sanguine that the world is headed in the right direction.
@JeffGeerling
5 ай бұрын
I'm always optimistic; the nice thing about the original licenses is it gives us the power to fork and move on. A lot of times it doesn't work out and the project just dies, but every once in a while there's a Jenkins out there that succeeds.
@CorpShrill
5 ай бұрын
How dare a for profit company make money to continue to produce quality products I want to use for free! Who pays the developers that YOU expect to continue developing the product YOU don't want pay for? Where is your soap boxing over Billion dollar companies that repackage FOSS and then charge for them without contributing back to the developers? You ask @4:46 about what happened to startups like Ansible and Hashicorp like these companies are expected to develop amazing products for free forever. Do these people not expect some return on their hard work and the demand the community places on them when their hard work blows up? Why do farmers charge for their food? Why can't they just bear the expenses themselves and give away the food for free? Because no one wants to be exploited and that's what F/OSS has led to, the exploitation of maintainers and contributors by people who abuse the F/OSS community and all you do is enable them. You are a corporate shill for Oracle, Rocky, and others who rebrand and don't contribute. So keep wearing your shirt, it makes it easier to identify who is sponsoring you.
@KatherineFtw
4 ай бұрын
“Who pays the developers” Crowed Sourcing via stuff like Paypal, Patreon, and SubscribeStar has worked before. Some FOSS projects have made a lot of money that way. Just because capitalism is popular does not mean that it is the best model or even the only viable one.
@nicolashermosillapolanco6870
3 ай бұрын
Even though it's been awesome to have companies providing time and resources for FOSS development, I'm quite sure the strength of the FOSS movement comes from the fact we, as individuals, keep making, using, sharing and recommending it whenever we can. The FOSS movement has proved, over and over again, that every good piece of software starts from a single person trying to solve a simple issue, and then getting help from others, with different points of view and talent. We, as a society, like to build stuff together, regardless of what anyone might say about it.
@hueypautonoman
5 ай бұрын
It's hilariously evil to take something you got for free, package it, sell it, and then declare anyone who does the same thing a "freeloader."
@skywz
5 ай бұрын
CLAs aren't necessarily all bad. If it gives all the copyright ownership to a single entity, that's a major warning sign and you should stay away. However, if it says something like "we can relicense your contributions unless you tell us not to," that can allow for the project to change its licenses with the times (e.g. adding "no AI training" clauses to GPL licenses). That way, a change that is against the interests of the community at large (taking the project closed-source) will be rejected, but positive or neutral changes won't be stopped by a bunch of contributors either not paying attention, or having lost their accounts, or having died since contributing. Obviously, there need to be safeguards, but I don't think that sort of CLA is objectively bad.
@JeffGeerling
5 ай бұрын
True; I was thinking only of projects like those mentioned in the video, but there are some cases where a well-written CLA is okay. The annoying thing is they're all over the board, and often far too complex to be able to evaluate as an individual without spending time studying the language.
@skywz
5 ай бұрын
@@JeffGeerling Maybe someone should make a standard "ethical CLA" the way people have made standard open licenses like the GPL. After all, copyright licenses were once "all over the board" and "far too complex to be able to evaluate as an individual" as well. But having largely fixed that with standard licenses decades ago, I'm sure we can fix it with CLAs now. If any projects choose to implement it, of course.
@username7763
5 ай бұрын
I have only been part of one company in my career that cared about open source and giving back. That company was quickly bought up by a company that didn't care. However, all these companies used and benefited from open source software. Someone has to be willing to pay developers to make the project work. It is crazy how many companies that depend on software for what they do, aren't willing to spend a dime or any amount of engineering time to help it. While I don't like these big projects moving away from open source, I get it.
@valtersITeu
5 ай бұрын
Nowadays all is changing, and more and more software is going on monthly subscriptions. My vision is that by the model of 2025, 70% of open source software will be with a monthly subscription and if there is a free version, then it will be with limited options. Also, I think at some point will raise 3-party companies that will sell subscription bundles as a kiddle man so that it is cheaper
@iharhrachyshka
5 ай бұрын
It's almost like developers have to eat.
@SJ-co6nk
5 ай бұрын
I think part of the thing right now is that in a monetary environment where money is looser, moonshot work like open source is acceptable because you don't need to provide as much of a return on capital expended. Right now with interest rates rising, capital is flowing out of business markets and into debt markets because you can get higher returns for lower risk, companies need to pull higher returns or risk losing access to capital, so they're pulling back. On the other hand, it seemed to me a long time ago that these companies were trying to cultivate "communities" to do their work for them for free. They don't care about building a community, they care about making themselves rich. That's fine, they're free to try, but you shouldn't fall for it.
@Lampe2020
5 ай бұрын
1:46 You say soos? They sing in their own song that it's pronounced more like "Soosah". In the song they rhyme it with an "Appaloosa", whatever that may be.
@madnar9
5 ай бұрын
This sounds in line with Cory Doctorow's mantra - the 'En-something- of the internet'
@todd2617
5 ай бұрын
No free lunch in this world, some point, people need to make a living.
@TwoDaysFromRetirement
5 ай бұрын
I thought the thumbnail was a wojack upscaled to photorealism. When the video started playing and he was real I audibly gasped
@knightsljx
3 ай бұрын
Elastisearch just did a rug pull as well. I don't know why people trust anything that makes you sign a CLA. It's a dead giveaway that there's a rug somewhere down there just waiting to be pulled at the opportune time
@mineown1861
5 ай бұрын
As Omar said of open source “A man gotta have a code.” “All in the game yo, all in the game” replied corporate, as the dream died.
@PatrickToal-wh7ox
5 ай бұрын
Hey Jeff. It's always enlightening to hear your perspective. I remember meeting you at my first AnsibleFest in Atlanta, and how passionate you were about the community. One thing we both agree strongly about is the importance of trust in OpenSource communities. I used to think that there were CLA's that could help communities, but now believe that a DCO, or something like the Fedora Project Contributor Agreement are better. I am proud of the Red Fedora I currently wear, and I believe Red Hat holds closer to the ethics of Open Source than it appears from the outside. I also know this hat biases me, and I appreciate folks like you, who challenge us to do better. I don't believe that "Corporate Open Source is Dead". I think that the Open Source movement, like anything, is learning, and evolving. It's a tough balance, and nobody's perfect, that's for sure.
@JeffGeerling
5 ай бұрын
The 'is Dead' is for KZitem, otherwise I'd get about 1/10th the eyeballs on this video (KZitem is KZitem... that I kinda hate). But it's definitely not at a high point. I think it correlates to the wider economy a bit, and I hope companies can learn from the missteps and course correct. Red Hat is better than most, though it feels like the sands have slowly shifted in the wrong direction, especially after the IBM buyout (and yes, I know IBM had nothing to do with the CentOS decisions). Ansible's still been hanging on, which I appreciate :)
@PatrickToal-wh7ox
5 ай бұрын
@@JeffGeerling From my experiences working for tech companies, I would say that the "investors" in your business have expectations that need to be met, regardless if they are venture, private, or public. If I had to choose which one would give a company like Red Hat the best chance of staying true to Open Source principles, I'd take IBM over Wall Street or Venture capital any day. I'm not so naive as to believe that things could never turn sour, but I am pragmatically at peace with the current balance.
@supercheetah778
5 ай бұрын
The one CLA that I think is fine to sign is the one, perhaps ironically, from the Free Software Foundation, but that's because it's a non-profit and ideological organization, so if your ethics align with theirs, then it makes sense.
@peterjansen4826
4 ай бұрын
One point of criticism: Khronos Group, the developer of Wine, Valve. All companies which still are essential for opensource. So corporate open source is not dead, just a form of it is dead. The strenght of Linux is that combination of the volunteers, more regular users who can contribute (like bug-reporting, feature-requests, theming) and the companies which support it.
@Zero-lh1rb
4 ай бұрын
The move may have something to do with LLM, as source code became an essential part in the training data.
@wildekek
5 ай бұрын
Any thoughts on the route that Home Assistant took with the Open Home Foundation?
@JeffGeerling
5 ай бұрын
Haven't made up my mind about it but I know the people who made the decision made it for the right reasons; I have a lot of trust in them, and I don't think it will be bad for the HA community, at least not in any short term. I do wish the individual projects could remain small and nimble but I think the overall project is big enough now that that ship sailed.
@atomicman007
5 ай бұрын
Loved the video, but it makes me sad as a CS student. I just want to learn and be part of the community where I can contribute a little. For example, if I'm a Python dev who doesn't know JavaScript and can't contribute to the codebase of a JavaScript project or donate money to a supposedly free software, do I not deserve the open source software written in JS? The idea may of open source may or may not be very clear to me right now, but I know I've always loved to talk to the maintainers and try to contribute where I can. I hope the current devs and upcoming ones as well, like me, can keep open source fun to talk about and build upon.
@RickySupriyadi
5 ай бұрын
all human... must be able to create, explore, learn and teach without worry being treated like garbage. I believe today's tech advancement already can make this happen, but haven't happen because one of the reason, is we all still relying on the obsolete monetary system.
@sluxi
5 ай бұрын
I would add that you should be wary of companies building with a license like MIT/BSD for similar reasons. Due to how little protections those licenses afford to the individual contributor, companies can easily change the terms under which the project is distributed just like with CLAs. This trend also undermines the open source advocate argument that licenses like the GPL are not needed because companies will just voluntarily keep using BSD etc. because they know that is the best option for the software development process.
@drrodopszin
5 ай бұрын
I saw recently that open source projects got stuck: either they were developed by unpaid enthusiasts who no longer had the spare time in a cutthroat environment or the company deprioritised its open source projects. I was gonna say we needed some kind of system that makes sure popular projects get funding. But bait and switch? That's something cynical.
@dvkwong
5 ай бұрын
Elephant in the room. How do open source devs get paid?
@d3stinYwOw
5 ай бұрын
After watching this video I only have one question - what about Canonical and their take on CLAs? Sure, their CLA also look shady that they can use your code you license to them (you don't sign rights off it!) in proprietary stuff they develop, but I'm curious.
@enigma4268
5 ай бұрын
Anti-competative software companies like Oracle, RedHat, Computer Associates and others show that there are still idiots to run companies that are clueless on how to deal with communities. They act as if you just have to suck it up. Well... many are leaving, and saying loudly, "FORK YOU!" RIP Hashicorp.
@Anderson_Roger
5 ай бұрын
There's a big difference in someone setting up a homelab or a small business and companies like Apple which gounge and run on open source while contributing absolutely nothing back. For the sake of open source why aren't we differentiating??
@jaysistar2711
5 ай бұрын
It's not dead. It's passed "F around" phase, and currently in the "find out" phase.
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