You can use the Tzeentch ploy to to add an APL. If you do this _before_ your operative generates their AP, they will generate the additional AP. If you do it _after_ they generate their AP they don't get the extra AP. Steps for an activation are: 1 - Choose Order, 2 - Generate AP, 3 - Perform Actions. Once you perform any actions you've already finished Steps 1 and 2.
@CanYouRollaCrit
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, that's great and all but it's not clarified in the strat or rules at all. As I said in my review, RAI that is how it should work, RAW it is not clearly defined in the strat
@CrazyMTGplayer
2 жыл бұрын
Not taking that 4++ save on tp 1 really costing the legionary there x-x
@CanYouRollaCrit
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, although I didn't expect to roll the many crits either 😅
@CrazyMTGplayer
2 жыл бұрын
@@CanYouRollaCrit I get the sense, that once you've priced yourself into 5 tzeentch you should probably start with the 4++ save tactic, and position more aggressively. The bolter could have survived, and continued on to lay down cover fire on the mid point over tp 1.
@martylund8411
2 жыл бұрын
Yup, first time - every time, until the enemy has no remaining Px or APx weapons. It gives you the Invulnerable saves of a Custodes w/ Storm Shield without forcing you into a pistol range weapon. Without AP effects a lot of teams are struggling terribly against Elite opponents. The fact that you can stack it with the Fate ploy for only 1CP as long as you have a Leader or an Icon just makes it incredible at range.
@arghail0
2 жыл бұрын
Well, the biggest strength for legionaries relies on the "consolidating" Khorne ploy. With it and fight twice you can charge-fight-consolidate-fight-consolidate. That's the reason to make your leader either undivided or Khorne (the first one allows you a free shoot bolters twice for the first turn, the second operates as a second butcher one-shooting eldars in melee). Not saying they are top competitive. They are HARD to play being elite. Every mistake takes a huge portion of your team away. And they are obviously behind other teams in power. Just saying they have some nasty tricks they can put to use.
@CanYouRollaCrit
2 жыл бұрын
Oh they deffo have some nice tricks, as you mentioned, they just sadly lack the bodies to pull them off reliably 😅
@chrisessick7192
2 жыл бұрын
Doesn’t help when your opponent throws away two of their models first turn.
@juancastanon1473
2 жыл бұрын
First of all, thanks so much for doing these. I know it probably takes a ton of work and time so i appreciate you helping out the community. I'm going to a tournament in May and this has helped me learn alot. I know you said that Tzeentch is the best mark and you know way more than I do about this game so i believe you. You know what's funny though? If the heavy bolter was nurgle and he used the reduce damage ploy, the heavy bolter survives the wraith cannon 😆.
@CanYouRollaCrit
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, glad this helped! Yeah, the only issue is you can't flex between Nurgle and Tzeentch on your roster
@since1968
2 жыл бұрын
Nice report, and. the top down format looks great. Seems like the Legionaries could have used a 7th body. Now that you've played both, how do you think Corsairs stack up against Pathfinders?
@CanYouRollaCrit
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, glad you like it! They really need a 7th body. Pathfinders still win out but I need to play the matchup
@ultimentra
2 жыл бұрын
Man, I really do feel like the game was over on turn 1 when he lost 2 operatives. That was brutal, I'm not surprised at the outcome.
@martylund8411
2 жыл бұрын
With a Blaster and a Wraith Cannon across the table the Legionary player really needs to activate Aetheric Ward for the 4+ Invulnerable save on all his models. Then you can spend CP on Fate and Volleys ploys if you think they'll be significant in the round.
@CanYouRollaCrit
2 жыл бұрын
You can't have both a Blaster and Wraithcannon in a single Corsair kill team, only one but yeah
@Yannic1982
2 жыл бұрын
I like this format a lot! Good to follow and not to long. I think keeping the videos arround the 1 hour mark is good, otherwize it would just be to long. Unfortunately, this and the batrep from GHD confirm my suspicious about Legionnaires, 6 bodies just is to few against a bigger team.
@CanYouRollaCrit
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, glad you like it! I edit out a lot of spacing stuff so it flows faster aha. Yeah, I don't think they do well against the competitive teams sadly at 6 models
@CrazyMTGplayer
2 жыл бұрын
Visually this bat rep was pretty clean, Appreciate the top down. I will say that dominations vantage positions general feel either too strong or too weak which is annoying. Just by virtue of the set up zone being so huge.
@CanYouRollaCrit
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, glad it was clear (: Yeah, I wish GW would just FAQ Domination to be 6 inch drop zone instead
@vladimirmatic-kurylev8675
2 жыл бұрын
At 35:06 charging over the container shouldn't be possible, because horizontal movement is measured separately from vertical, and it takes 6 inches for the climb and drop which leaves only 3 inches of movement horizontally and that is not enough to cross over the container.
@CanYouRollaCrit
2 жыл бұрын
Ah that is correct, my bad!
@alrightogre
2 жыл бұрын
Still don’t get why people don’t use the launcher on the heavy , I get that you get to double shoot , but that’s heavy cp usage. The launcher gives you a lot more versatility and I often use the suspenser using 3” move out of cover , shooting and then popping back into cover using no cp , then would always take khorne on the butcher, if your leader is khorne you can get a free stratploy from its special rule adding one damage , he garuntees a critical hit at 8 damage and so he can one hit before the defender even gets a chance , he can also be use the other ploy allowing him to double charge , it destroys the void scarred ive yet to lose against them
@CanYouRollaCrit
2 жыл бұрын
Double shooting isn't that heavy with your leader popping free strats each TP. The Butcher was Khorne
@laurentst-pierre5280
2 жыл бұрын
Do voidscarred have access to climbing ropes? Don't see that anywhere in the rules...
@CanYouRollaCrit
2 жыл бұрын
Nah it was my mistake, I took Corsair Blades instead
@aleczandergordon6971
2 жыл бұрын
Basically, do you agree that GW messed up and they failed to make the new Chaos team able to compete with the bespoke Kill teams? They should have given them 7 models to balance it out. If you have 6 models that are melee focused you will lose models so quickly.
@CanYouRollaCrit
2 жыл бұрын
They can compete, just not with anything A tier or higher IMO. They do need to be 7 operatives however.
@kriss667
2 жыл бұрын
@@CanYouRollaCrit Or one less marine but four or five cultists not to get outactivated. And basic spesh marines could get servitors or servoskulls.
@ChopsTV
2 жыл бұрын
@@kriss667 I am kinda shocked/disappointed that there wasnt a cultist fireteam option involved here. Three of these marines (lets say leader, psyker and... talon?) plus 8 cultists with maybe 1 or 2 special weapon options and some movement rules (free strike from within? Pre game dash? free climbing equipment? I dunno) and team wide marks of chaos... thats a scary, competitive team.
@CanYouRollaCrit
2 жыл бұрын
While I like cultists and CSM, it goes against what they plan for new boxed teams where it's made from a single kit
@PMMagro
2 жыл бұрын
One team is faster, has more bodies and have longer range. In many scenarios I can see the Corsairs having a field day in this matchup...
@CanYouRollaCrit
2 жыл бұрын
But Hunter Clade have more bodies and range 🤔
@ultimentra
2 жыл бұрын
Wow. Its literally round 1 and we are 2 marines down with no losses to the corsairs. That's really bad! Is that user error or are the Chaos Marines just that bad/frail?
@CanYouRollaCrit
2 жыл бұрын
A bit of both. As Charles said he didn't pop the Tzeentch strat as he didn't expect I could get any shots turning point 1. Also Corsairs are probably the hardest counter to Legionary outisde of Pathfinders/Quins
@ultimentra
2 жыл бұрын
@@CanYouRollaCrit Aren't pathfinders and quins just straight up the best teams though? Isn't that just another way of saying "Legionnaires are B or C tier"? Which I think is probably the case. Sure they can probably beat up on compendium teams pretty hard but even then...
@CanYouRollaCrit
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah now they are, even then I can't see Legionary beating Vet Guard or Warpcoven. Maybe Novitiates? But I'd side with the sisters still
@martylund8411
2 жыл бұрын
@@CanYouRollaCrit You play Aetheric Ward first time, every time, until all the enemy's APx and Px weapons are off the table.
@pbutch217
2 жыл бұрын
Got to admit I'm a bit disappointed legionaries aren't stronger competatively. I guess if I want to go all in on tournaments wyrmblade is my team. I do really like marine teams though, both loyal and chaos. I'm curious if you think death guard might be a good team competatively considering DR somewhat solves the durability issue of elite teams. I'm also holding out hope the specialist rules might allow us to take gunner, heavy gunner and fighter. Plus the option of putting in a couple of pox walkers instead of having to sacrifice a whole 3 plague marines to do so
@CanYouRollaCrit
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Wyrmblade are super solid! DG are too slow sadly. Those would be some intersting changes tho
@pbutch217
2 жыл бұрын
@@CanYouRollaCrit I guess for the moment most specialist elite teams can be expected to be similar in strength to legionaries. Would you say a 7th model is the solution to let them compete?
@CanYouRollaCrit
2 жыл бұрын
7th would help a lot, I think it would personally
@massivecrit650
2 жыл бұрын
Absolute massacre!
@Redtecho
2 жыл бұрын
Very Balanced. Close game.
@jasonmoon4916
2 жыл бұрын
18-2 is close? lol
@Redtecho
2 жыл бұрын
'Twas not serious.
@seanhiggins8549
2 жыл бұрын
Stopped watching when the heavy bolter was popped. GW can’t balance factions to save their life
@ultimentra
2 жыл бұрын
Turn 2 and its still not looking good. I'm shaking my head over here like wow, this seems really imbalanced. But I'm not surprised, KT as a system seems to really not like space marines. IDK what it is, but Space marines in general these ones included just don't seem good. Like in your last video you said they need 7 operatives and I agree, but I don't think GW is willing to give them a 7th operative.
@CanYouRollaCrit
2 жыл бұрын
It's mainly because 6 bodies is not enough and you have guns with high damage and/or AP profiles. I think GW would be if enough people feed it back to them
@martylund8411
2 жыл бұрын
AP2 weapons hate Space Marines. Tzeentch is actually really powerful against that strategy - you just use Aetheric Ward every turn.
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