"why would you buy a car" says the man from a lease company.😲
@ouethojlkjn
3 жыл бұрын
Sadly, over 80% of all new cars in the UK are leased. That's why 20 year olds are driving around in brand new BMW 1 series. They rent by the month what they cannot afford to buy.
@edenviews
3 жыл бұрын
Sometimes your short-term work contract stops you from a lease, but you build up some spare cash and, can afford a new one. My Zoe was 10000 less than list price and then there was a trade in to take off too. This is how you can get into the EV world. In the next few years the cars will only prove to meet all of your expectations.
@_digifish
3 жыл бұрын
Why wouldn't you lease? Oh I don't know. Perhaps because I don't want to be making car payments until the day I die and never own an asset (even if it is a depreciating one, it is a functional one). Perhaps because if something happens financially, I still have my own transport?
@Neil2022
3 жыл бұрын
@@ouethojlkjn utter nonsense, I would say 80% of cars are bought on PCP, leased? No chance.
@andymccabe6712
3 жыл бұрын
@@Neil2022 do you have ANY actual knowledge about this - or is it just a 'belief'....and therefore irrelevant..... ?!
@MrEV
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for inviting me to chat! Next time I'll wear a better shirt. Such a great experience to meet the whole Fully Charged team - they do amazing things!
@bibliotek42
3 жыл бұрын
You dun good! The smile on you face driving your other cars is nothing compared with the ecstatic look in your Ioniq 5. That face alone could sell several 1000!
@MrEV
3 жыл бұрын
@@bibliotek42 I'm happy to say the smile is still there every time I get in it!
@hollyandtheev6519
3 жыл бұрын
Great job, Andrew!
@edenviews
3 жыл бұрын
Oh no Andrew, you are the face of Electric motoring, whatever the shirt...
@Jaw0lf
3 жыл бұрын
Great to see you venturing in to the Fully Charged channel!
@limeyjoe1632
3 жыл бұрын
Typically if you lease a car you are paying the lions share of the depreciation on that car. In other words it's significantly more expensive than buying a 3 year old car which will be perfectly fine for many years. My mobile phone is 6 or 7 years old and it's still fine, so I've got cheap phone contract that doesn't include the phone. Make sure you do the maths for yourself.
@paulday8676
3 жыл бұрын
A great point. I've never run a car on lease or PCP. Had my previous car for 9.5 years and my current one 4.5 so far (both from new). Just paying running costs now - would like to follow the same ownership route with an EV but they are way too costly to actually buy. Can't bring myself to pay £400 plus per month just to hand it back and start again in 3-4 years.
@andymccabe6712
3 жыл бұрын
@@paulday8676 ....and don't forget the interest you're charged! Remember, most people's cash savings are only earning about 0.5% these days... Best advice is always - avoid new cars! Typical depreciation was always reconed to be about 60% after two years........!
@hhcosminnet
3 жыл бұрын
you get to drive a new car and you are paying for it. leasing is not about saving money, but just getting to use new cars and not caring about other stuff. ps: the two cars I've owned I bought used. Right now I'm driving a rented skoda citi go as my Tiguan has a very expensive haldex issue.
@robertblood3722
3 жыл бұрын
Hi all. The statement about London Congestion Charge being FREE , watch out I have a 18 month old New Nissan Leaf I went into London and was charged. It cut a long story short you have to Register you Electric car with London Transport at a cost of £10 each year and get it registered on there system or YOU WILL GET CHARGED. After seeing programs and statements like this including Nissan’s Owen literature plus many other web statements I took my case to court and lost,. Yes it’s free but you must register you car with Transport for London even if it’s 100% electric. Bob Blood from Kent England.
@MrEV
3 жыл бұрын
That caught me out too. Ridiculous, really, as they know the car is 100% electric from the reg plate. Quite how they justify a £10 admin charge is beyond me.
@hamsterminator
3 жыл бұрын
What a scam! Sounds like they took that out of Ryanairs book- the flight is free, but you need to pay €30 for the seats...
@yvs6663
3 жыл бұрын
"u should compare a x car with the car of the same class." no. i will compare the cheapest new electric car that suits my needs with the cheapest new gas car that suits my needs. ive decided that the Spring and Twingo don't suit my needs since 20kW fast charging and probably less than 100 miles of highway range simply isn't acceptable. the VW eUp might but its not avalible. therefore, the next cars i can look at are the Corsa E and the Zoe which has a starting price i can't afford while the cheapest gas car that suits my needs(lets say Kia Stonic) is something i can afford. therefore, getting a new electric car = failed. i did buy a used one tho.
@andymccabe6712
3 жыл бұрын
Yep - this reality is quietly not mentioned.......!
@tangerinestorm
3 жыл бұрын
I can give you a reason to buy a car. It is cheaper than leasing, my mum's car is 19 years old it still works and has cost significantly less than leasing. Leasing company makes money from leasing.
@XLoaferY
3 жыл бұрын
yes, but driving an old car is bad for reliability, the environment and service. Drive good car = expensive driving shit car = cheap
@tangerinestorm
3 жыл бұрын
@@XLoaferY maybe we should just buy a new car ever week then that will be super up to date and great for the environment as making a car doesn't hurt the environment at all.
@ukslim
3 жыл бұрын
@@XLoaferY Up to a point, driving a car until it falls apart is the greenest thing you can do. Especially if you have low mileage. If tangerinestorm's mum's driving 3000 miles a year in her 19 year old ICE car, well, continuing to do that is probably greener than scrapping it for an EV. It's people doing 20,000 miles a year who are doing the lion's share of the polluting, and for the most part they're not the ones in 19 year old cars, because (a) with that amount of use, the 19 year old car would be dead by now (b) people who spend a lot of time in their cars, want a comfortable, new car.
@hhcosminnet
3 жыл бұрын
leasing is about convenience and not about saving money. if you just want a car to use and always have a new car then you lease and, of course, you pay more.
@tangerinestorm
3 жыл бұрын
@@hhcosminnet Thanks for clarifying that leasing is a terrible idea if you want value for money.
@DrMatthewhannah
3 жыл бұрын
Highlight for me were the very zen musings of a proper human being Mr EV....nice! Less-than zen rantings of Flaviana would also be appreciated but possibly the channel can't afford her appearance fees.
@MrEV
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I can't afford Flaviana's appearance fees either.
@lisaj7011
3 жыл бұрын
I would like a Kia Soul EV but I need it to do 170 miles each way with an overnight stay once a month. I think the 2020 generation Soul will be able to do this but it is way way way out of my league price wise! The most I've ever spent on a car is £3300 and I still have it 8 years later! Think I'm going to be waiting a long time! 🙄
@XLoaferY
3 жыл бұрын
probably about 8 years.
@davidkerr4103
3 жыл бұрын
I don’t understand people considering a Polestar 2 as an SUV or even crossover. I think it’s much more comparable to a saloon/hatchback. It only rides a couple of inches higher. A bit of marketing spin from LeasePlan?
@tommoger
3 жыл бұрын
Agree. Definitely a saloon
@stum8374
3 жыл бұрын
Hi,we had a ev on 24hr test and the dealer refused to give us the charge cable so we went drove home and back total 55ml because we couldn't charge,the missus doesn't want one now. Dealers fault.
@IDann1
3 жыл бұрын
Mr EV 😎or “Mr & Mrs EV” including Flaviana is the best real world EV review channel..it’s destined for great things.
@MrEV
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@gerrytierney4075
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed by far the best channel
@K12beano
3 жыл бұрын
More than anyone, Mr EV (and family) are convincing me that I should move to EV - highly recommended that you subscribe for real world and EV-tainment of the best quality!
@dalroth10
3 жыл бұрын
Another excellent and informative video. I joined the EV driving fraternity just over 3 months ago with a Hyundai Kona and the experience to date has exceeded my expectations. I have solar panels and a home charger so, as Andrew Till said, "I'm living the dream"! 👍😁 I got the Kona on a 2-year lease and will be leasing my next EV, with the Polestar 2, Tesla Model 3, Hyundai Ioniq 5 and Kia EV6 all on the shortlist. That said, there is going to be a much greater choice of EV's by the time I'm in the market - so who knows what's going to come along and take my fancy!
@johndemontfort5923
3 жыл бұрын
Tank you for doing this series on the benefits of EV leasing and or ownership. Please consider having your correspondents in the USA and China do similar video's. Lease Plan does have operations in the USA.
@ramblerandy2397
3 жыл бұрын
The invisible ingredient of running an EV against a petrol or diesel car is enjoyment. Petrol-Heads, I give you a warning. Don't test drive an EV. Your head will instantly be turned to Electro-head. It's just so much more fun
@MrEV
3 жыл бұрын
I couldn't agree more. Once people get over the need to hear loud noises from the engine, it's so much more enjoyable.
@wigrammartialarts
3 жыл бұрын
Sorry mate, this is just a yarn. Myself and many petrolheads would love to make the switch, but nothing i've driven is anywhere near as fun as a petrol hot hatch.. Most EVs are boring as hell at the moment. I've driven a tonne of EVs. Only one I'm excited about is the Taycan.. and thats not affordable and way too large. Hopefully this formula trickles down to the smaller vehicles. The Cupra Born gives me hope.
@Quesadila21
3 жыл бұрын
@@wigrammartialarts you check out the Hyundai Ioniq 5 yet?
@wigrammartialarts
3 жыл бұрын
@@Quesadila21 it's an SUV mate.
@Quesadila21
3 жыл бұрын
@@wigrammartialarts CUV, but with the way the center-of-gravity is down low thanks to the batteries, it’s RWD, and has the instant torque of electric; may be fun. Crossovers are basically just lifted hatchbacks. Still unibody vehicles.
@timmurphy5541
3 жыл бұрын
They really ARE more expensive and it would be more respectful not to treat us like idiots who cannot do sums. We don't all do lots of mileage and our realistic choice is an older second hand car or just keeping the car we have rather than a brand new vehicle. The cost of leasing seems ridiculous - the cost of 2 years being equivalent to the total price of a pretty modest but still workable 2nd hand car.
@MrEV
3 жыл бұрын
The up-front cost tends to be more, but when you factor in the running costs, cheaper servicing, fewer mechanical issues etc. then for many people (certainly not all!) they do work out cheaper. A lot of that cost saving is predicated on being able to charge at home though as public charging isn't always very cheap. I got my second-hand Nissan Leaf recently for £5,250 - it's a great family car if you don't need to do long distances very much (it only has an 80 mile range around town). So cheap to run and a great workhorse.
@Burtis89
3 жыл бұрын
With you mate generally buy a cheap £1000 2nd 3rd 4th hand car run it for a few years sell it on for not much less or scrap it either was its cheap. Yes sometimes get stung by maintenance but only serviceable items usually. Leasing is stupid unless you earn a hell of a lot of money and new cars are unattainable for the usual 25k to 30k worker. I like to go on long trips every couple of months and realistically could only afford a old leaf with what 50miles range on the motorway. Hopefully in the next few years the market will be flooded and it wont be so mad expensive
@ukslim
3 жыл бұрын
Like they say, it's comparing like with like. A *new* EV is often cheaper TCO than a *new* petrol car of a similar size and spec, *if* you do enough miles. Maybe 8,000 miles a year is a break-even point. It's not fair to compare the cost of a new, or even a year-old EV with a "pretty modest but still workable 2nd hand car". Of course a five-year-old car is cheaper than a new one. For me, EVs with the kind of range I'd be comfortable are only just appearing at the new price of the kind of car I normally drive. So, obviously, it's going to be five years before five-year-old EVs of that kind are available, and only then can we compare. Or to put it another way - if you weren't considering a brand new petrol car, don't consider a brand new EV. But people do buy brand new cars, and *those people* might well find an EV is better for them.
@Burtis89
3 жыл бұрын
@@ukslim thats it and comparing used EVs just aren't there yet like you say maybe in 5 years i think more like 10-15 years. My cars are never newer than 15 years old usually
@timmurphy5541
3 жыл бұрын
@@ukslim Yes, I'm thinking that today's EVs are fine for me except on price and that in 5 years I might be able to justify one of them. The other question is whether it's worth getting one anyhow (or a near new 2nd hand one) and relying on the relatively low depreciation. If one makes sure to sell it within a year or two it might be possible to get enough money back to be better than a lease.
@mohammadayub2760
2 жыл бұрын
So let get this right If I buy a new car £30*000 in 4yrs time the price go's down to £23*000 what chances have I got to sell my car I will loos so much money wtf
@TassieEV
3 жыл бұрын
Nice to see Mr. EV on the show who now has an Ioniq 5.
@simolatham03
3 жыл бұрын
lease's are the biggest scam on the public since PCP with the vast majority of cars it's just cheaper to buy them with a loan and sell the car when you want.
@CabrioDriving
3 жыл бұрын
One friend of mine had technical problem in his electric car. Not sure which company it was but rather not Tesla. He went to the local repair shop and they told him they need to pay money to connect to the producer's system to check the computer/car. Imagine. The producer of car invented a way to earn money from external companies which repair the faulty car of the producer. The cost was 180 EUR to 1 connection to the system of the car's producer. This is how they earn now. Not via oil and maintenance, but by charging for internet connections :)
@computerbob06
3 жыл бұрын
Why buy a car? Maybe to save getting stuffed for a couple of grand if I hand the car back with a scratch on it!?
@arcoulant87
3 жыл бұрын
I am coming up to 65 years, no way am I going to spend my life savings on an EV be it lease or buy outright, my dev car has another 70000 mikes to go and I can afford to run it I can have a range of 550 miles and tow my caravan . I get it if you're just starting out driving that's the way it's going to be, but for me, I will stick with my dev car it's cheaper for me.
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3 жыл бұрын
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3 жыл бұрын
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3 жыл бұрын
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3 жыл бұрын
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@john3Lee
3 жыл бұрын
Good interviews....... This is what we all want to know - Thanks
@RoadcraftNottingham
3 жыл бұрын
I still don't understand leasing. The interest rate is higher than a personal loan, there's restrictions on mileage and the slightest damage you get pounced on by the lease company for repair prices. Of course, this guy would be pro-leasing.
@TheEVside
3 жыл бұрын
Well done MR EV!
@MrEV
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, sir!
@PassportToPimlico
3 жыл бұрын
For those that qualify for the UK Motability scheme, an electric vehicle makes even more sense. Everything is paid for except the fuel and if the fuel is electricity then it is a bargain. Hyundai, Kia and MG are the stand outs on that scheme.
@lizdersley9803
3 жыл бұрын
I’ve had my Model S nearly six years now and think it had depreciated less than my previous Merc E class did in five years (both bought new). My wife also now has an EV and our full rate household electricity bill, excluding heating which I’m afraid is still oil, is less than our monthly petrol bill alone used to be. OK I still get free trip charging on the Model S, but most of our charging is at home. Maintenance is almost trivial. But the arithmetic does mostly depend on the taxation of fuel. I always say I won’t go back, but we miss our comfortable covertible and there’s no suitable long-distance fast-charging convertible EV that I know of so I may be forced back! Posted on my wife’s account.
@De4dCert
3 жыл бұрын
Being an EV owner lets get some truths out there. First they are more expensive to start. Figure out how many miles on petrol you can do with the extra £8000 for the lifetime of the car. Now also reflect the fact over a year UK energy prices are up 40%. Unless EV’s are sold at price parity to their ICE counterparts or even cheaper because of less parts…. Then so far EV’s are doing nothing but costing the consumer more over the ownership. Its wonderful to do that long trip for only £20 on electric but you already paid up front in extra costs. Not even close yet TBH.
@XLoaferY
3 жыл бұрын
at least watch the video before commenting. Prices are in parity already.
@De4dCert
3 жыл бұрын
@@XLoaferY Have you owned an EV? I am a big supporter of green efforts but being realistic and after owning 2 EV’s I realise the benefits but cost of ownership and range loss is more.
@xperyskop2475
3 жыл бұрын
Octopus go 5p per kilowatt night time
@Brian-om2hh
3 жыл бұрын
You haven't factored in that some EV owners have solar and can offset the cost of charging at home, making it even more reasonable. As pointed out already, price parity has already arrived if you are prepared to shop around.... A much higher percentage of those "up front" costs will be seen at trade-in time as a higher residual value.
@De4dCert
3 жыл бұрын
@@Brian-om2hh Solar is effectively paying out a sum of money which will pay itself back depending on setup from 6-20 years. If energy prices rise then this is shorter bonus. Unless your battery system is LiFePO4 it will degrade significantly within 10. So again how are you saving on an EV and solar install? You are effectively pre paying out your costs and overpaying for the electric car in the first place. I hope everyone gets the opportunity to install this technology but it is still very much a premium energy pre pay. Second hard ev’s with rather large range drops well excess to their ice counter parts many years older are pilling up. 40kw cell if you are lucky is £8500+ to fit on that old leaf. So price parity is a long way off. I am Pro EV and Solar but I think the industry is pricing out most people when governments should be into carbon capture or this will not make a dent.
@andymccabe6712
3 жыл бұрын
If you're REALLY comparing a Fiesta to a Polestar 2 then you're such a dummy that you're probably not safe behind the wheel of ANY car..........!!!
@hhcosminnet
3 жыл бұрын
Guys, is it me or electric cars are just maintaining the price as they are used? The skoda city go i can find used for 13-16.000 euros in my country. The "cheap" EVs are the ones are the ones that have ~16kwh batteries (doing ~100km) and they are in the 7-10.000 euros range. The used e-golf is 18-20.000+ euros. To me it seems crazy how these cars are keeping their prices so high.
@rbettsx
3 жыл бұрын
Why buy a car? Because I don't want to join the tribe of city-boys and girls who dawdle round my local Devon lanes in their 'All Terrain' supercharged SUV's keeping 3ft from the banks because they're afraid of acquiring a microscopic scratch in the paintwork, lest the likes of Matt claim that's 4K worth of damage. 'A car is like a mobile phone'... I buy my handsets outright, a year or two 'out of date', sim-only, because I am not so much of a fashion-victim that I feel inferior if I don't have a phone which has a million bells-and-whistles that I never use. If I did want to use one of its half-cocked features for something, I'd buy a proper tool to do it instead. With the invention of the assembly-line, Henry Ford brought the price of the Model T down to 4 months of the average US wage. It seems Western manufacturers don't want to make that 'mistake' again. They, the dealers, the finance companies, the insurers, the marque repair shops, all want us on the hook, for cash flow. It's in none of their interests to produce , sell, or allow the open maintenance of a 'people's car'. We're going to have to wait for the Chinese to do it, and hope to God that they don't get clobbered by tariffs. Oh, by the way. If I buy a car from you, I am not a 'consumer'. I become an owner. If you're good enough, I may become a customer, too. Thank you.
@noordinaryjoe1414
3 жыл бұрын
“Why buy a car?” Equity!! I’d rather spend the £450 a month on the understanding that come the time, I will get a return. That is how (this) economy works.
@angusmacpherson2981
3 жыл бұрын
Please please just forget the rest, buy a Tesla.
@andymccabe6712
3 жыл бұрын
What a silly comment on so many levels.... And rather depressing....... The Fanboi phenomenon is just baffling to normal people!! It's so limiting and unimaginative... I could go on - but I've bored myself now.....!
@VoodooGMusic
3 жыл бұрын
The issue is not an EV being more expensive than a petrol car of the same caliber, it's the fact that there are almost no EVs in the cheap car cathegory.
@simongarrison4894
3 жыл бұрын
Practicality like he says , what about those in the camping and caravan community PHEV at the moment not full EV
@ouethojlkjn
3 жыл бұрын
We had a close look at the little Fiat 500e and it is proper spank botty GORGEOUS. We were smitten but it was just a little bit too small in the boot for our needs.
@Tatisifetita
3 жыл бұрын
the price of energy is riseing. In few years it will be more expensive to drive electric car. too bad
@jlowphotos
2 жыл бұрын
Just watching the top gear episode from last year about the Honda e and Chris Harris just ignores the running costs when saying about the cost of the car.
@Maker_of_Things
3 жыл бұрын
Hmmmm, 'There is an electric car that suits me now'? Really? I had a look on the leasing website and it offered me an E Corsa as a motorway tow car! Interesting! Still waiting for the EV estate car with a 6' flat floor load bed, a usable roof rack, and 1500kg towing for around £20k. Only need about 150 mile range, 0-60 in 8 seconds, and top speed 70mph, so that should make it easier.
@davidthornton3346
3 жыл бұрын
Short of the Flat Floor requirement, an MG5 pretty much ticks all of those boxes
@Maker_of_Things
3 жыл бұрын
@@davidthornton3346 I have been looking at those as a good compromise option. Trying to decide between investing in the next version that can tow, and waiting until then to buy a good used first edition that can't tow for a lot less money when the price drops. It's not idea but comes close enough for me to consider renting a van when it is really needed instead.
@koitorob
3 жыл бұрын
I hope you'll find people who were unhappy with their electric car experience too, and not just the ones who would like to make love to their EV... I can imagine your immediate response Rob, so just view this as a personal challenge 😉
@tarbat
3 жыл бұрын
Can you explain what annual mileage all these savings are based on? I do 2,500 miles per year, and reckon I’ll just about break even running my EV vs an equivalent ICE. I suspect the savings talked about in this video are based on a high annual mileage.
@edmcdonagh978
3 жыл бұрын
20,000 miles, which is double what most people do...
@mechine1511
3 жыл бұрын
@@edmcdonagh978 My understanding was it was 20,000 over the terms of the lease, not 20,000 per annum, still slightly higher than national average, but not but much.
@tarbat
3 жыл бұрын
So is it 20,000 miles per year, or 20,000 miles over the lease period?
@edmcdonagh978
3 жыл бұрын
I think I'm right, but maybe Mr EV or Robert can answer?
@robertduncan5912
3 жыл бұрын
Don't know if this helps , but when I looked at EV leasing plans, the monthly mileage "allowance" was around 1000 miles per month (and note, those are rolling monthly arrangements, not tying you into years of a contract), so that would be 12000 miles per year.
@frejaresund3770
Жыл бұрын
I have been enjoyed, so thank you for delivering.
@judebrown4103
3 жыл бұрын
@FullyCharged it occurs to me that I don't know anything about insurance for ev's... and as I write its briefly mentioned! I appreciate its different for each of us depending on age and experience.... but let's assume most of us are middle (ah-hem) aged with a clean licence and highly skilled ex London bus drivers.... Just me oh... Joking aside it would be great to see some ball park figures for various age groups and to hear about any specialist ev insurers for those of us who might go the used route. It's the one area I haven't yet begun to research. Thanks for all you've done to set me on the path to ev driving. 🚘👍 Edit: as I live and breathe it's Mr EV from just down the road! Fame at last Andrew, I kept expecting Flavia to breeze in with "an opinion", FC missed a trick there 😁
@ukslim
3 жыл бұрын
What people seem to be saying is: it's really varied so make sure you shop around. Some insurers are charging surprisingly high prices, but others seem to be realising it's a mistake.
@MrEV
3 жыл бұрын
I've insured with LV who I've found to be not just the cheapest, but also one of the insurers that actually "get" EVs. As for Flaviana - I'm sure they were too scared to invite her!
@judebrown4103
3 жыл бұрын
@@MrEV ah, I did see they were a sponsor of FCO but then forgot again... 😂 Thanks for that I will check them out. Good to know they "get" ev's, I think that's half the battle from what I've heard. You make your own arrangements even with a lease car or do you use the "all in" facility the chap was talking about for that? Edit: dear Flaviana, I'm sure she'd have been gentle with them... 😁
@ouethojlkjn
3 жыл бұрын
I found that my EV is hardly any more expensive than a petrol or diesel equivalent. It does pay to shop around and compare like with like. Moneysupermarket, gocompare, moneysavingexpert, compare the market, direct line (they are not on comparison websites). Assess the excess. More excess usually means cheaper premiums. Check cancellation and andjustment fees quoted. ALWAYS get quotes before renewing your existing insurance. There is a law going through that insurers cannot offer potential customers better deals than existing customers but they might find a way round that.
@judebrown4103
3 жыл бұрын
@@ouethojlkjn thanks for this sound advice, as applies to all insurance. I'm with NFU at the moment and I as I said I haven't got round to talking to them or anyone else about ev insurance yet. They are pretty good, give a discount year on year rather than an increase in premiums. Cover is good and I can go and see a real person in an office if I want to. So I don't know if they "get" ev's or not yet, we shall see....
@gordonmackenzie4512
3 жыл бұрын
I would like an EV with 4 wheel drive ( dual motor ) It needs to be smallish, Q2 size maybe. id2 maybe or Ioniq 3. I do 4000 miles a year in a diesel Qashqai costing £400 pa with zero tax. My Qashqai is 7 years old + and 31,000 miles, totally flawless so far. Waiting for the right EV.
@trevorWilkinson
3 жыл бұрын
Little too much shilling for leasing and zero mention of 2nd hand. Though in most cases, buying new almost never makes sense.
@MrEV
3 жыл бұрын
I've bought new, leased, PCPed, and bought second-hand EVs. As good as leasing is for getting a brand new car relatively cheaply, you obviously can't beat getting a second-hand one for value. We recently got a Leaf at auction for about £5,300. A great buy! kzitem.info/news/bejne/tH-o12iPan-DhI4
@Brian-om2hh
3 жыл бұрын
But somebody has to buy new, otherwise there wouldn't be any 2nd hand ones........
@robthomas7232
3 жыл бұрын
@@Brian-om2hh ... and there needs to be a 2nd hand market or the depreciation on new cars would be too high and the lease prices would reflect that. Its all a symbiotic relationship although at least in the short term I expect the depreciation on EVs to be much less than on ICE equivalents due to shortage of supply and limited choices. Once we get over those issues it will be interesting to see how that changes the depreciation and the relationship between the new and 2nd hand markets. Note I am someone who still can't get my head around leasing personally as I don't need or value a brand new car, tend to get highly spec'd, highly depreciated 2nd hand cars and buy my cars outright taking the associated risks with that. oh and I'm 6'4" so have less model choice out there generally. That's not to say that I discourage other people from leasing and I can see more of a benefit of with newer, potentially unproven EV technology.
@connorduffy3441
3 жыл бұрын
I think one thing that people are misunderstanding is again the cost.. yes a brand new electric car is more expensive than buying a 5-10 year old car. That is not what this video is about. When you compare costs of like for like brand new cars, as the video states, the price is much more comparable. In addition, there is something to be said about producing less pollution and a better driving experience for most, these should also be part of the equation not just the economics of EV vs ICE
@rhubarbfilms
3 жыл бұрын
The cost of the first 50 miles in a ICE car is far, far lower that that of a comparable EV when you factor in the cost of the vehicle and fuel/electricity. Over the life time yes EV's are are more cost effective but in the short term you can buy a lot of fuel with the difference in sticker price
@Smidge204
3 жыл бұрын
@@rhubarbfilms "The first 50 miles" is a pretty silly metric, don't you think? Who in their right mind would only consider the financials of what is more or less a day or two worth of driving? You'd need to consider at least the term of a lease or loan - so about 3 years typically - if not the expected ownership period of the vehicle which is closer to 10 years typical. Been a while since I did the math but a few years ago I worked out that if I leased a new car, the difference in lease cost between an EV and a Hybrid (Toyota Prius), with some assumed energy costs, the savings from fuel alone would cover basically the entire difference in monthly lease payments. Of course the fuel savings would not cover the *total* difference in price for over a decade but, if I were to just lease and return the car at the end, it would cost about the same for payments + fuel. Factor in maintenance and the EV came out ahead, if only by a little. I'm sure a similar analysis today would still put EVs in a favorable comparison.
@rhubarbfilms
3 жыл бұрын
@@Smidge204 the 50 miles was meant to illustrative to the fact it only becomes cheaper on a ROI once a certain mileage has been met.
@Smidge204
3 жыл бұрын
@@rhubarbfilms Problem number one is thinking of a car as an investment that provides a return, rather than a durable good that provides utility ("utility" here includes subjective things like comfort, styling, etc. and not just practical utility like range and cargo capacity). Virtually nobody sits down and computes the long-term costs of a vehicle before purchase - if they did every single person would be driving the cheapest econobox they could find. Total cost of ownership only comes up when discussing EVs because they cost a bit more than the ICE equivalent class/trim. (Never mind that most EVs cost LESS than the *average* new car price, at least in the US... clearly cost alone is more an excuse than a real problem) Problem number two is not using a more reasonable number to avoid undermining the point you're trying to make. Maybe refine that argument a bit - try like 5,000 or 50,000 miles and see how that holds up.
@rhubarbfilms
3 жыл бұрын
@@Smidge204 I think most people who spend car sized money considers it an in vestment even if they don't just that word. A car is an asset, it has value and can be sold, the depreciation value is something many take into account when purchasing. A car essentially is about transport and we all have a value rating, for things other than the utility value these add up to ultimately establish if something is worth the money to us. As to your second point, mine was I appreciate a little however the rational is sound and never talk about. Simple maths, The Mercedes E-Vito with gov grant is £5345 cheaper than the ICE version, at current diesel prices the ICE version costs approx 15.4 pence per mile which means the cost when the vehicle becomes cheaper is 34707 miles, or as most vans do on average 16k a year so only becomes cheaper after 2 years all things being equal. This is not taking into account the equity needed to fund upfront the difference or hire rental/lease costs. This is basic economics establishing the value of a deal, whether it be a van or a car.
@joeking4206
3 жыл бұрын
Thick and of a Grand a month!! The new Working From Home tribe are the kind of people who MIGHT have got an EV, but now, with them hardly driving anywhere.... It's amazing how blazé they were about the monthly costs. Obviously aimed at mid-level Execs with company car allowances.
@Telcontarnz
2 жыл бұрын
I think they were mainly using the figures as ‘comparatives’.
@fredbloggs72
3 жыл бұрын
Here's the 'problem' for me, I'm a low mileage user, so fuel savings don't add up to an awful lot, looking at a direct comparison of Renault Kangoo ice vs ev and the ev works out at nearly 20% extra per month for total costs of leasing type arrangement and running costs. If I where to buy then after approx 10 years I might break even, as I tend to keep vehicles for this long that makes more sense even if I was to write off the value. Which begs the question, "why wouldn't I buy a ev?"
@Telcontarnz
2 жыл бұрын
If you really do not many miles then some of the 2nd hand options might work out really well for you.
@ScrapKing73
3 жыл бұрын
The more I know about car ownership in the UK (from my vantage point in Canada), the less I think I understand it. Lots of KZitemrs (such as Mr. EV, who is in the video) only have cars for up to 3 years, then surrender it for some other car. Everyone I know gets a car, makes payment for 6 or 7 years, and owns it outright afterwards. I understand that leasing is also a thing, but most people I know don’t go that way, and those who do always buy out their leases at the end, in my experience. Maybe it’s the lower middle-class socio-economic strata that I exist in. *shrug*
@SunsetHaze
3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you more familiar with PCP and HP/ bank loan. Personally I'm better at saving up for a sizeable deposit and then buy the car using a low interest bank loan to keep themonthly payments down. If I was forced to use lease there's no way I'd be able to have the car I do now (BMW 228i) or change to a comparable EV in the next year or so. My car payments finished 3 years ago and I've slowly been putting money away for the next one so with trade in I could afford monthly payments on a model 3, fuel savings help towards paying more for a n EV than ICE granted.
@ScrapKing73
3 жыл бұрын
@@SunsetHaze I don't know what PCP and HP mean in this context. My observation is that a lot of British people seem to rarely own a car, they just keep exchanging them every three years or so. If KZitem videos (and comments on videos) are anything to go by. Whether they buy or lease, in Canada I'm used to people having the same car for a very long time (a decade or even more). Whereas someone like Mr. EV just gets a new car every 3 years, if not even more frequently than that. That's something I'm not accustomed to at all.
@SunsetHaze
3 жыл бұрын
@@ScrapKing73 pcp is monthly payments with the option to buy the rest of the car at the end of the term. Hp is where you own the car at the end of the payments. Some brands offer 0% hp deals which makes it an attractive option. People who lease tend to be pretty well off, never-ending payments for new cars isn't financially viable for most. PCP is getting more popular though
@f__e__e__l__e__e__p
3 жыл бұрын
Sir, could you approach the subject of drivers who make 30k or more yearly. For me it seems like going electric in such cases is just too expensive. Thank you.
@tommoger
3 жыл бұрын
We replaced my wife’s petrol i30 (on PCP) with an electric Ioniq (on PCP). The monthly PCP cost for the Ioniq is almost double that of the petrol car but it still works out cheaper for us per month, just because we’re not shelling out so much for petrol and servicing. It’s such a good EV I got one too! The overall cost is much cheaper with an EV.
@Harbinderpabla
3 жыл бұрын
Tried Lease Plan for car lease, rejected by them. Same vehicle Lease arranged by Deelar, no problem and cheaper. Wondering what system they using.
@rchatte100
3 жыл бұрын
Would love to have an EV but overall much more than an ICE car. Even with the gov abusing the tax/benefit system.
@MrFoxRobert
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@MrGMawson2438
3 жыл бұрын
Driving around for almost free
@theairstig9164
3 жыл бұрын
Stamp duty or sales tax Toll roads Tax on insurance Registration Depreciation Tax on mandatory servicing costs Yeah, feels almost free to me too. Even before I get in and drive somewhere then pay parking fees
@brianevolved2849
3 жыл бұрын
We just bought a 2015 Nissan Leaf £7500 looks new 84 miles range. we could not be happier 👍😎Granny charge @ 9 miles / hour 3p/mile. no tax no London changes no servicing . I reckon should last 10+ years simples
@Brian-om2hh
3 жыл бұрын
I don't see why not. And when the battery does begin to lose some efficiency, the Leaf is one of the more straightforward EV's on which to carry out a battery refurbishment. A full replacement is not always necessary. There is a KZitem video of a 10 year old UK owned Leaf getting a battery refurb. It took 4 hours or so, and cost the owner £600......
@brianevolved2849
3 жыл бұрын
@@Brian-om2hh we do local low London mileage yes in 10 yrs there will be more available batteries
@matthewbaynham6286
3 жыл бұрын
You might want to buy a ccs adapter now.
@GrahamRead101
3 жыл бұрын
@@matthewbaynham6286 no need, number of Chademo still increasing rapidly as new chargers go in. Yes eventually it’ll fade, but that’s a decade away.
@BlackhawkPilot
3 жыл бұрын
The dealers average service was about $600-$800 for my diesel but only $136 for my BEV and the interval is now 20K miles. And there is no maintenance of glow/spark plugs, injectors, motor & transmission mounts, etc. Electricity is 1/4th the cost of diesel, brakes last far longer.
@andymccabe6712
3 жыл бұрын
No maintenance of tyres.........?!?!?!
@BlackhawkPilot
3 жыл бұрын
@@andymccabe6712 Mistake, edited.
@effin1233
3 жыл бұрын
Well said Andrew
@MrEV
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kevin!
@mike.n.davies
3 жыл бұрын
I'm afraid the biggest saving in running an EV is disappearing fast. Rapidly rising electricity costs in the UK mean that 20p+ per kWh prices are here for quite a while yet. My Tracker price was 25p / kWh last week, 10p up on what it was when I got my ID.4 in March. The government has raised the price cap because wholesale prices are up and have made noises that a further rise is likely in the new year. These price rises are driven by the rise in gas prices, a fossil fuel making EV ownership more expensive - ironic, no? When my ID.4 arrived, the TCO calcs showed it was about the same as my previous diesel Karoq. Now its costing about £40 a month more.
@GrahamRead101
3 жыл бұрын
That’s why you don’t charge during the day (unless on solar) - charge at night on a cheap overnight rate - I pay 5p / kWh.
@mike.n.davies
3 жыл бұрын
@@GrahamRead101 if you can get an overnight tariff. For that you need a smart meter. Not all the UK is covered for smart meters. I live in one of those areas. I'm not thick you know.
@mike.n.davies
3 жыл бұрын
@@GrahamRead101 and if you think your 5p overnight rate is sustainable, you are mistaken.
@GrahamRead101
3 жыл бұрын
@@mike.n.davies fair enough. But there are still EV specific tariffs that apply all day that are cheaper than 20p/kWh - granted the rates do seem to be going up.
@GrahamRead101
3 жыл бұрын
@@mike.n.davies maybe, maybe not - although it’s the peak demand times that push the daily prices up as that when expensive generators are in most use - so I’m not so sure the overnight price, when national demand is low and the electricity price drops, is so effected. If it prices do get much higher it’ll be time to revisit battery storage roi. I already have solar.
@keithreynolds
3 жыл бұрын
So far there aren't the "Like for like" products being produced. We bought a 69 brand new but pre-registered Citroen Berlingo top spec for £16500? What is the matching electric car? (Recently changed our second vehicle for a 68 Zoe charging via Zappi and PVs).
@wigrammartialarts
3 жыл бұрын
'EV's are more enjoyable to drive' - somebody who was never interested in cars before EVs were a thing. Lots of these people are nissan leaf owners who go on about Tesla being quicker than a Giulia QV/M3 etc... To be honest its irelevant. The Nissan GTR is a great car on a track, but most people wouldn't have it over a mid engined supercar or Porsche 911. Theres a difference between functionally fast and 'fun fast'. I'd rather have fun and be a bit slower than go fast in something that feels so clinical like a Tesla. So yes, EVs are cheaper in the long run and better for the environment, but why would I invest so much money into an asset I find boring? I'm all for the switch.. I just want an manufacturer to make a decent hot hatch! Only EV that looks like any fun to drive is the Taycan or the I4 and they are too big and expensive. :(
@tarbat
3 жыл бұрын
There still isn’t enough choice of EVs. Where is the EV equivalent of a cheap bottom of range Hyundai i10?
@MrEV
3 жыл бұрын
Such a shame VW Group decided not to produce any more e-Up/Mii electric/Citigo: decent, relatively affordable EVs. No money in it of course.
@ukslim
3 жыл бұрын
As I understand it , bigger EVs are a more attractive proposition to the makers because (a) batteries are big and heavy; the smaller the car the more of a problem that is (b) smaller ICE cars are already lower polluters (cheaper tax, congestion charge etc.) so less incentive to switch (c) smaller cars often do less annual mileage, so smaller annual fuel savings. Still, Robert often complains that makers aren't making "bread and butter" versions of their EVs. An ICE car comes in plain, medium and super-fancy leather-seats-and-all-the-gadgets versions, but the electric version is only available in the super-fancy version, so isn't affordable. I too hope that changes.
@Brian-om2hh
3 жыл бұрын
Not enough profit at that end of the market for EV's. You may have to wait until the Dacia Spring arrives.....
@MichaelSmith-fn5no
3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. How does it work if you want the Heat Pump or/and a Towbar - are these available with leasing?
@MultiBlue67
3 жыл бұрын
Many current cars already have a heat pump as standard now so it’s just a matter of looking at the specs of the car your interested in to check that. Of the cars that didn’t have it as standard previously, they were an optional extra which could be added during the lease process, although in these cases the lease cost would increase as you added the various extras. Basically you can spec your lease car just like if you were buying it yourself, I.e. paint colour, wheels etc but bear in mind the lease cost would increase. We went for an ionic EV which had everything that we wanted as standard and chose the free colour (white, which we like anyway). This kept the cost down for us. With regards to a tow bar, I think this can be added as an extra for some the EVs that can tow. Many EVs cannot tow so if you need this, check this out first.
@waltermcphee3787
3 жыл бұрын
Talks about comparing like for like then compares an electric id3 with a golf gt.
@robertduncan5912
3 жыл бұрын
Can you explain what you think is wrong with that?
@radbaron
3 жыл бұрын
While sitting in front of a Kona...
@laloajuria4678
3 жыл бұрын
out here, its the poor that lease. dont be poor.
@itsfahys
3 жыл бұрын
Where is out here ? Leasing suits people that arent able to save up and defer gratification and want to drive something they really cant afford. I think leasing is fine if your in Business as you dont want to tie up Capital that can be invested in the business. Just need to compare the Lease Deal with the Cost of Full ownership and i mean paying Cash not getting a Bank Loan. So many people say I own a new EV when in fact their Debt Slaves to the Bank or leasing company.
@hamshackleton
3 жыл бұрын
Matt Walters was throwing prices around, such as £450 - but neglected to say over what time-span. Was that weekly, monthly, or (unlikely!) annually? - - - One thing I have noticed, across the various EV channels is that all the drivers that enthuse gushingly are YOUNG, working in moderately good jobs, and have no significant financial worries, ie Bjorn in Norway, Andrew Till in the mid-south (who's company buys his car anyway), Mr EV man in Yorkshire, etc. Nowhere that I've seen is there any footage of the older - retired - driver thinking of getting an EV for the first time - who covers comparatively low mileage per annum - and their opinions and considerations. (Like me!). My biggest concern is - is the initial layout justified, vs my potential remaining life-span, when my only income is my pension, or keep the existing fossil-burner, as it will probably last longer than me anyway!
@MrEV
3 жыл бұрын
That's a great point. I suppose it's overwhelmingly relatively young people that start KZitem channels so it's not very representative for that reason. Have you seen "The EV Puzzle" channel? I believe Nigel is retired, although I'm not sure if his situation matches yours. What I would say is a second-hand EV (like the Leaf we recently bought) makes a lot of sense. Ours was £5,300 and costs so little to run. It makes a nice contrast to the shiny new EVs we get on finance. To be honest, we always choose to drive the Leaf wherever possible as it's a comfortable drive with plenty of space and we're not too precious about new scratches appearing!
@hamshackleton
3 жыл бұрын
@@MrEV - Thanks for replying instead of the usual ' grow up and stop moaning' replies I seem to get! - The EV Puzzle" channel? - No, I hadn't heard of that one, I'll look for it shortly. Because of my hobbies, a Leaf (etc) is physically too small - I need room in the back to carry six foot long (1.82m) fragile items that don't bend or squash - or a large container of 24 x 32 x 17 high (61 x 81 x 43) - not at the same time! - without them protruding over the 'shotgun' seat and restricting my vision to the left. (Hence my continued requests that the space be measured with a tape, not in litres!) There is only me, so I don't normally have any passengers to worry about. There are no 2nd hand MG 5 estates yet! :-) - I'll just add that my roof is too small for enough pv panels to be meaningful.
@MrEV
3 жыл бұрын
@@hamshackleton I couldn't agree more - litres are useless as a measurement, really! That's exactly why I always do boot measurements in my reviews with a tape.
@hamshackleton
3 жыл бұрын
@@MrEV - I often suspect that with a litres measure, they are ibncluding all the little holes where you can squeeze in one sock! :-)
@andymccabe6712
3 жыл бұрын
There's no need to do much thinking about it! If you're retired/semi retired, and do low mileage, it's much MUCH cheaper to run a nice pre-loved petrol ICE car - and there's a LOT more choice......!
@jezlawrence720
3 жыл бұрын
Still just too expensive compared to the running costs of my second hand small engines petrol car, especially as I haven't got a drive. Gonna have to sweat my small engine petrol for another few years I think. But leasing is the only way I see myself affording one anytime in the next ten years the way they don't depreciate.
@iamjonwright
3 жыл бұрын
Love electric cars, drive them everyday at work, but we can sugarcoat this as much as we want but the fact remains....electric cars are expensive and out of reach for MOST motorists. Like for like example - Fiat 500 petrol base model £13,425, electric equivalent £20,995. Most Fiat 500 owners are female 17-60 yrs of age. They’re not buying the electric version, in fact nobody’s buying it. Petrol still flying out the door. So an electric car is a luxury item at the moment. Probably just as well given the infrastructure is no way near to supporting mass population of electric car owners. 5 years we may be getting somewhere, but I think most people are waiting for hydrogen.
@theairstig9164
3 жыл бұрын
Not hydrogen, just buying what they know. Which is totally fine
@SirHackaL0t.
3 жыл бұрын
Insurance costs are starting to come down. Ha! If only that was the case. My insurance has gone up from £500 to over £1100 over the last two years of driving a Model 3.
@Burtis89
3 жыл бұрын
Wow 😱 mine was £280 for a fiesta. But then i guess if you can afford a premium car the insurance companies know you can probably afford premium insurance 🥲
@MrEV
3 жыл бұрын
Wow, that's a lot. My IONIQ 5 was £414.70
@SirHackaL0t.
3 жыл бұрын
@@MrEV I’ve tried to find cheaper but not managed it so far. My last car was a BMW 320D ED and both are based on 20,000 miles a year.
@SirHackaL0t.
3 жыл бұрын
@@Burtis89 I think the cost of repairing my Model 3 puts the price up as well as where I’m currently living.
@That_Angry_Brit
3 жыл бұрын
Teslas get burned HARD on insurance as they cost so much to repair.
@IanParker
3 жыл бұрын
I have a genuine question for e.v. owners/users.. not seeking to be confrontational. I am a person who loves the simplicity of a petrol car.. I hear often that an e.v. is so much cheaper to run than a petrol car. Having a petrol car means that I’m paying roughly 80% taxation on my energy.. electric vehicles are paying nowhere near that, so of course an e.v. is cheaper to run. I’m seeking an e.v. driver opinion as to how the Government can make up the short fall, approx £25 Billion (at present) when there is no more taxation on petrol? What is the feeling as to where taxation on electricity should go to, to plug the lost revenue? Cheers :)
@robthomas7232
3 жыл бұрын
The government already know this as does FC. It has been talked about having a pay per mile system introduced at some point to recover this loss of tax revenue. At one point it was going to be an extension of a lorry road charging system for non UK based lorry's. Not sure if that came to anything. Pay per mile can be interesting as you can flex charges to penalise highly congested times. However that can be flouted by the rich and penalises the poor. Bit frustrated that all these city congestion charging systems seems to be locally funded/implemented rather than a common UK wide system as they could be expanded to do this. The big question is when will the government implement this and what is the tipping point where the loss of revenue is too much.
@ukslim
3 жыл бұрын
It's a problem for the future. Petrol cars bought today are going to stay on the road for at least another 10 years, so tax revenue from petrol is going to fall, but gradually. Yes, they're probably going to raise taxes on something else to make up the shortfall. But they'll only need to introduce these gradually. It might be VED, road use, electricity in general, or even something unrelated to motoring. In the meantime, petrol is going to get more expensive - partly due to "sin taxes" and partly just because there's less of it in the ground and it's getting more expensive to extract. And green electricity is going to get cheaper to produce, as the technology improves and is scaled up (people are already claiming that wind power is cheaper than coal - although you'll also find refutations of this). Certainly many factors that reduce the cost of EVs will go away one day: once EVs are mainstream, the plug-in grant will go away. EVs won't be zero-tax forever. Free chargers in car parks might not be the norm (although, for example, a big supermarket chain's car-park chargers would be part of how they compete), but all that's going to be at a time when a petrol car really isn't a viable choice any more. Remember some countries will ban the sale of new petrol cars in 2025, and many big manufacturers have announced they're ceasing making them even for the countries where the ban will be later. So by 2030 (if plans go as hoped) it'll be really quite difficult to buy a 5-year-old petrol car.
@robthomas7232
3 жыл бұрын
@@ukslim Would be good to do some calcs and graphs on excepted EV uptake over the next 15 years and then plot that against declining fuel duty to see when tipping points occur. I expect someone has done those calcs already. Of course a pay by mile system relies on technology and that's not a low cost system or quick system to get running so they will need to plan for that well in advance. However there could be other more simpler ways to tax us which could just be based on mileage driven and its recorded by your charger or smart meter every time you charge. I think the golden age of EV ownership is approaching which mainly means to me, that there are still some subsidies available and before they start recovering the duty lost. I don't think we're there yet in that we need many more choice of vehicles to come to market, especially at the lower end, a certain price parity has to be there with ICE cars for the initial purchase and ultimately we need a decent 2nd hand market. Maybe in 5 to 7 years time which of course is subjective?
@robthomas7232
3 жыл бұрын
@@AegisK I like your optimism, but I have no faith in any government recognising that savings made elsewhere will outweigh the opportunity to see drivers of whatever type of vehicle as a revenue stream.
@IanParker
3 жыл бұрын
@@robthomas7232 thank you for your reply.. so what I’m reading is that the cost of running an e.v. has to increase over the years ahead.
@LuisFCorreia
3 жыл бұрын
I've went to Leasplan Portugal and ran a sim to Dacia Spring and for a 4 year lease, it will cost me almost the same as buying it brand new (and keep it forever)
@XLoaferY
3 жыл бұрын
after 4 years your owned car has lost half of its value. If you calculate insurance and service, what are the numbers?
@LuisFCorreia
3 жыл бұрын
@@XLoaferY I usually keep cars for over 8 years, leasing was never an option TCO is way higher for leasing
@XLoaferY
3 жыл бұрын
@@LuisFCorreia Fair enough. If you are happy to drive an old, likely outdated, car, Buying is of course cheaper, especially after 8 years. Personally I think cars evolve too quickly now to own a 2013 car in 2021. But horses for courses! Happy you have found your kind of ownership!
@LuisFCorreia
3 жыл бұрын
@@XLoaferY I'm not a slave to cars, my current daily driver is a 2nd gen Prius so I'm half way there. EV's are very expensive here in Portugal, incentives are scarce. in fact it's a multi layer problem, cars are seen as tax providers :) (if you get my drift) have fun!
@koitorob
3 жыл бұрын
@@XLoaferY You'd probably never understand why people like to drive old cars. Like my 1961 Land Rover, so i won't try to explain... Or my mate's veteran cars. Just because it's new doesn't make it better!!!
@CantE8tCheese
3 жыл бұрын
What’s with this annoyingly stupid trend of missing the “the” before the car name?! It’s the Leaf, the ID.3, the polestar not Leaf, ID.3 and Polestar!!!
@stevezodiac491
3 жыл бұрын
Bottom line, the general £10k purchase price difference between electric and ice cars can fuel an internal combustion engined car at 50 mpg for 82,000 miles and that difference is not including electricity costs. The car would have generally been sold long before 82,000 miles is achieved and thus there are no savings whatsoever with current electric car purchase prices.
@That_Angry_Brit
3 жыл бұрын
I spend almost £3000 a year putting fuel in my ICE car atm, over 4 years that's £12,000. Yes, TWLEVE THOUSAND POUNDS. An EV over 4 years would cost me roughly £1500 to run. That £10,500 saving over 4 years. To me that's a complete no brainer.
@AL-ib3lu
3 жыл бұрын
How many miles are you driving?
@That_Angry_Brit
3 жыл бұрын
@@AL-ib3lu 15-20k
@ukslim
3 жыл бұрын
@@That_Angry_Brit With your mileage, it really is a no-brainer. I think it's unusually high though. I reckon our family car does about 8,000 miles a year, so only about £750/year extra to put towards an EV - £62 onto the monthly PCP budget perhaps. Might just about break even. Most of the online calculators default to 8,000 miles, so I imagine it's a pretty typical amount.
@That_Angry_Brit
3 жыл бұрын
@@ukslim Oh its quite high for sure but I live 30 miles away from my place of work so that's 60 miles every day without any other trips. For me it makes complete sense.
@ukslim
3 жыл бұрын
@@That_Angry_Brit Absolutely. No judgement here. People with high mileage are both the people with most to save on fuel, and the people with the biggest carbon footprint to stop having.
@DougHolmes
3 жыл бұрын
So, buy a 2nd hand car, save a load of money up front and per month. Also, you *have* to include the total amount spent when charging the car. If you buy anything while waiting for it to charge, that has to be added to the cost of charging.
@andymccabe6712
3 жыл бұрын
Yes - you're a sitting target for 'value added' sales while you're waiting for your car to charge .......!
@andymccabe6712
3 жыл бұрын
Pre-loved is just SO obvious, isn't it......!!
@vasileiospetropoulos2046
3 жыл бұрын
Still are very expensive! Still EVs are extremely expensive also not a lot of second hands out there, if I have a change to buy a hynday e kona (3 or 5 years old) with 14.000 or 17.000 pounds I will. Go for it! But I will not spent a fortune to buy a car that I need to think about to spent hours for charging (as I do not own a house in the UK) EVs are amazing but still over over priced and range is fluctuated especially in winter. So we need realistic 300 350 miles (in all weather's) cheaper cars and more public chargers and also we need 100 per cent green energy (green) no. Mixed!
@DrMatthewhannah
3 жыл бұрын
With all due respect, it seems that maybe you didn't watch the video. The whole point is don't buy an EV, lease one!
@vasileiospetropoulos2046
3 жыл бұрын
@@DrMatthewhannah but I do not want to. Lease one! This is the problem
@XLoaferY
3 жыл бұрын
there are cars for those prices. Charging is not an issue. You charge for an hour every week, which can be done while shopping or having lunch. You don't need range like that, you need about the range you usually drive without stopping. All of your points are addressed either in this video or in others on this channel. Electric cars are better no matter the energy mix. Yes, it's better with renewables.
@steveharvey2001
3 жыл бұрын
@@XLoaferY A lot better to charge overnight at home for 5p/kWh than using public DC rapid chargers for an hour at over 40p/kWh.
@XLoaferY
3 жыл бұрын
@@steveharvey2001 OP said he couldn't. But yes, lower prices are cheaper. Thanks Geoff.
@quantumeseboy
3 жыл бұрын
Polestar is too expensive given it is a Chinese product.
@XLoaferY
3 жыл бұрын
only if you are unable to tell the quality of a product. For all non-idiots it is as easy as comparative shopping.
@quantumeseboy
3 жыл бұрын
@@XLoaferY How do you tell the quality of a product unless you have used it? That is why there is reputation. Reputation is meaningless to idiots.
@XLoaferY
3 жыл бұрын
@@quantumeseboy if you base reputation on xenophobia then yes, that is hard.
@quantumeseboy
3 жыл бұрын
@@XLoaferY No, I base reputation on experience and quality control record. I also have political problems with Chinese regime. Nice try, CCP troll. I do not have any problem with Taiwanese products.
@XLoaferY
3 жыл бұрын
@@quantumeseboy nice deflection idiot. I also have problems with the Chinese government, especially human rights. There are probably 100s of things in your house made in China, but as soon as it's a car/brand, that's where you draw the line? Total hypocrisy. At lest be honest and say "I will not buy Chinese products". I could respect that. But don't equate quality with production country, it just makes you look stupid.
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