Thanks for watching! Please be sure to subscribe and help ya boi reach 200k! I'd like to note that I don't think Kid Buu is stronger than Buuhan. Only reason I brought up those statements is for those who do think so. I said in the same video that I think Buuhan is stronger, lol.
@SpammytheHedgehog
Жыл бұрын
No, Frieza would still destroy him.
@riatrapgaming6415
Жыл бұрын
You gonna stream later today?
@LavaCreeperPeople
Жыл бұрын
already subbed lol
@zacherymangum560
Жыл бұрын
What about xeno goku with the power of cosmic vs. Marvel
@Omaryessss
Жыл бұрын
chuck who would win in a fight gogeta blue or mui goku?
@sirduck600
Жыл бұрын
“Base gt goku is capable of moving at infinite speed, at bare minimum” is a lot to take in
@ivan_d_feets4495
Жыл бұрын
I thought u were joking til I watched the video…lmao that was sentence I never thought I’d hear
@thegameplayer1693
Жыл бұрын
Yet he never does
@0xp556
Жыл бұрын
People just take scaling way too seriously. There is no way we can believe GT base kid Goku is kid Buu level/SSJ3 level. Sure we see him fighting people kid buu level in base but come on. Same way 17 can go toe to toe with Goku Blue in Super. Poor writing.
@adamamersid2701
Жыл бұрын
@@0xp556 butfused buu was doing no damage to 17 and that's not even a normal buu but a way stornger one while ssj 1 goku was able to damage 17 even with the slightest of dmg
@Geozone117
Жыл бұрын
It's cap
@TheSuperGoober
Жыл бұрын
My man giving GT Goku the respect he deserves fr
@clevercart79
Жыл бұрын
Gt Goku is still stronger than he said
@TheSuperGoober
Жыл бұрын
@@clevercart79 most definitely, it's just that I see so many ppl downplay GT Goku it's ridiculous, and nice to see someone acknowledge a part of his actual power
@jamalsmith9653
Жыл бұрын
Ssj4 goku is a fodder character we asf
@TheSuperGoober
Жыл бұрын
@@jamalsmith9653 L
@Son_Yin
Жыл бұрын
@@jamalsmith9653L
@SaiyanScholar
Жыл бұрын
Welcome to the Grand Tour! Great video man. You put a lot of effort into this one, I can tell. It's good to see more people finally covering GT's overlooked power. Keep it up! 👊
@coolkidrblx
Жыл бұрын
W dbgt is a W show
@Chuck
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching man!
@lordkai59
Жыл бұрын
Still ain't beating super
@1346528000
Жыл бұрын
Whenever someone talks about GT @Saiyan Scholar will be there
@power279
Жыл бұрын
@@lordkai59 😂wtf..hahahah..nice joke
@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375
Жыл бұрын
These videos are making me want SSJ4 to be canon, seriously it looks so much cooler than color swap forms we are getting these days
@kjmudkipzofthemudkipdynast2657
Жыл бұрын
Personally not a big fan of ssj4 design I just don’t really get the hype
@fugazy2656
Жыл бұрын
I mean just think of it as another universe canon😊
@davidsuper773
Жыл бұрын
Toriyamma should make GT canon
@ItsKeysama
Жыл бұрын
I mean the design doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but it's LEAGUES better than what we have now. I mean, it goes from a golden ape with red eyes to red fur, black/brown hair, and golden or emerald eyes.
@vegetalover9297
Жыл бұрын
Nah
@jaidynallen3847
Жыл бұрын
In this video, you open up my eyes to a little bit of GT’s power that they could exude so I’m wondering if you can do a video comparing Blue Vegito to SSJ4 Gogeta
@gensischronicles1148
Күн бұрын
Gt's scaling is sooo underestimated. The multipliers are insane, already full power ssj4 is crazy powerful
@liammcguire1954
Жыл бұрын
The only SSJ4 Goku that stands a chance against Golden Frieza is Xeno Goku. Edit: let me rephrase that, Xeno Goku would destroy Golden Frieza. Otherwise, GT SSJ4 Goku would be destroyed
@christophernazario2375
Жыл бұрын
Love the comments section I swear
@gregkareem9824
Жыл бұрын
No lol xeno goku one shots black frieza and the entire dbs verse easily but ssj4 gt goku loses to golden freiza easily even ssg beginning of dbs one shots ssj4 gogeta beyond neg diff I am not being toxic it's true he can be scaled low complex muti or way higher and ssj4 goku is high universal or higher
@TheRealSlickGoku
Жыл бұрын
More like he'd fodderize golden frieza
@liammcguire1954
Жыл бұрын
@@gregkareem9824 never said that Xeno Goku loses against Black Frieza
@LemoneMan
Жыл бұрын
This simply isn't true. The goku at the end of GT that fused with shenron and became *omni potent* literally solos every frieza i can think of.
@omegaminoseer4539
Жыл бұрын
This was excellently researched and gloriously well-made. I found the scaling from the movies to be completely wonky, especially since the films make GT Goku somehow a monster beyond compare. Cooler Scaling has always been confusing, so I'm glad you could clarify exactly why his traversal is so impressive.
@SpammytheHedgehog
Жыл бұрын
I can see SSJ4 Goku giving Frieza a good fight, but not beating him.
@PerSon-xg3zr
Жыл бұрын
@@sheroo1000 More like 100x or higher but ok
@bradlees5997
Жыл бұрын
@@sheroo1000 never stated, people say that because death battle claimed it was 10X Ssj3. If you do the scaling it’s faaar higher
@Black_Knight_-BK-
Жыл бұрын
@@PerSon-xg3zr Have a source?
@borby4584
Жыл бұрын
@@Black_Knight_-BK- there's no source on "10x SSJ3" either
@Black_Knight_-BK-
Жыл бұрын
@@borby4584 Then these "fans" shouldnt talk about things they know nothing about
@wukongisas9564
Жыл бұрын
It's kind of unclear if this is the same Cooler as the metal cooler one due to the movies being in different timelines, but i do agree with 5D scalling for both GT Goku and Frieza and i also think that you can argue immesurable speed for both Golden Frieza due to the macrocosm scalling and the room of time existing in the living world, which is a room that holds all of time. But anyways i am glad both get some love because i like these guy's a lot
@wukongisas9564
Жыл бұрын
Also the Beerus statement is even more broken because when i translated it myself with sites like DeepL, it legit stated that homie's power transcends dimensionality
@reptilian_geneticist
Жыл бұрын
Metal cooler isn't really cooler, cooler was dead.. Metal cooler is an artificial version of Cooler, or an android.... Just like how the humans that were turned into androids #17 & #18 are actually dead...
@JakeRider-wc6ke
Жыл бұрын
Same
@mandothemandalorian2392
Жыл бұрын
@Reptilian_Geneticist I mean same mind body and soul ( she was in the after life she had a kid and she has her personality so yes and no and it's not like krillin did a dead body she is alive with a pulse just now part robot
@JakeRider-wc6ke
Жыл бұрын
@@wukongisas9564 Is this true
@error-4269
Жыл бұрын
Saiyan scholar would say that Super Saiyan 4 Goku would breath and he solos the lizard
@Chuck
Жыл бұрын
Lmao
@error-4269
Жыл бұрын
@@Chuck yeah he has like videos where he calculated that so many GT characters are like 10000+,50 more zeros stronger than kid boooooooo🐷🍭
@TheLuuman
Жыл бұрын
@@error-4269 it is true tho, even when GT goku is slapped harder than ever he still rocked his enemies. Not to mention the only time i saw ssj4 fail was when he was multitasking like 50 different things while fighting his strongest opponent at the time at about 2% health.
@error-4269
Жыл бұрын
@@TheLuuman what?
@TheLuuman
Жыл бұрын
@@error-4269 I said what i said, bro was taking the time to save lives balancing buildings and continents on his back. In base form he is stronger than every single dbz villain combined.
@alexdeghost2729
Жыл бұрын
2:05 Chuck’s character development just shows that he truly is a great character. He’s conquered his character corruption arc!
@matthewzard
Жыл бұрын
I personally believe that the statement of vigito being stronger than super saiyan 4 meant that the multiplayer is greater. Like if Goku went super sayain 4 in that fight instead of fusing with vageata then he wouldn’t be as powerful as vagito
@OskyyD1
Жыл бұрын
Not truly bc his base would of been much much 10 years lower wise as a multiplier
@derpske
Жыл бұрын
Bro fix your English
@picklejarbob8644
Жыл бұрын
Jesus Christ learn to spell, you spelled vegito two different ways
@bob-ot8pl
Жыл бұрын
@@OskyyD1 what? I had a stroke reading that
@carloscolon3331
Жыл бұрын
@@bob-ot8pl I had a heart attack reading it
@HelenaSan425
Жыл бұрын
This fight would be really cool but Golden Frieza takes it Super Saiyan 4 has the best design in the franchise
@Chuck
Жыл бұрын
Truu
@vegetalover9297
Жыл бұрын
MUI>>>
@laffywaffy1989
Жыл бұрын
@@vegetalover9297 what's makes ui best and unique design wise over ss4 UI nothing stands out just like every other sayian form just recolored of super Saiyan
@DizzyDuo
Жыл бұрын
There's still people who think kid Buu is stronger then buuhan?
@Chuck
Жыл бұрын
You'd be surprised
@Ocacadordecasadas
Жыл бұрын
Yeah,the "Its the Last form he used,so It is the strongest" people
@geodude0744
Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately so...
@TakeTheWorld21
Жыл бұрын
@@ChuckDidn’t Takao Koyama confirm Buuhan was the strongest Buu?
@privateblockhead211
Жыл бұрын
Chuck is keeping us fed this month fr, loving all these uploads! Please keep these banger videos coming, bro
@manofiron5934
Жыл бұрын
Bruh this is so good
@Chuck
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@lightinstinct707
Жыл бұрын
I noticed the statement with vegito didn’t specify WHO as a ssj4, it just says “stronger than a super saiyan 4” I PERSONALLY think it’s referring to the multiplier
@HyperJohnua
Жыл бұрын
Thats what i was thinking too, as the multipliers are very close if we look at them simplified like the guide books did, vegito would be character A + B x 10 then ss x 50
@aster4jaden
Жыл бұрын
I think SSJ4 could give Golden Frieza a run for his money, especially after I heard Whis acknowledges its power in Xenoverse 2. My Headcanon is SSJ4 is a Saiyans "Mortal Path" of getting stronger like Golden Frieza and Jiren's Super Full Power, instead of taking the "God Path" of Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue.
@ORLY911
11 ай бұрын
itd be cool if Broly was the one to get SSJ4, that would make people go nuts. It would suit him perfectly.
@rsingh2346
Жыл бұрын
Thankyou for the video. I think frieza also scales off of mecha coolers speed feat, because iirc, in promotional material for rof, frieza was stated to be better than his entire family (and i think cooler got mentioned). Attack potency wise, movie beerus was multi solar system tier, but this would be weird since he is way better then all the buu's (atleast one universe buster via daizensuu & anime in buuhan). I pick frieza to win
@_DatDaft_
Жыл бұрын
not to mention (correct me if im wrong) SSJ4 would also grow stronger with the user, because of the hole "SSJ4 draws out the Battle Power which Saiyans posses to its utmost limits" that was said in the GT Perfect Files, meaning it would act similar to the Ultimate Form/Mystic Form/Potential Unleashed Form (what ever you wanna call it) Elder Kai Unlocked for Gohan. so if thats true, then that would mean SSJ4 has (*hypothetically*) no limits to its power, meaning it could become stronger then Forms like SSJB, SSJB Evolve, UI ect, given enough time that is, and theres the hole Full Power SSJ4 and Super Full Power SSJ4 which would add even more of a boost to its power. and just gonna throw this one in here aswell, but (*apparently*) in one of the GT Guide Books (while typing this, im still trying to find it and see if its real or not, so if you have any infomation about it, please tell me, thanks) it said that SSJ4 Gogeta has "Unlimited Power", which if thats true.......... then SSJ4 Gogeta is hella OP.
@SonZackSSJ2
Жыл бұрын
But that’s not true, if he had unlimited energy he would’ve stayed fused longer and don’t look at guidebooks, it has awful scaling.
@_DatDaft_
Жыл бұрын
@@SonZackSSJ2 that’s why I literally said, i don’t know if it’s true or not, but SSJ4 Gogeta would have literally almost no limits to his power, since Gogeta would have even more potential then Goku and Vegeta, and I mean SSJ4 is still to this day the only Form thats been soo powerful that it’s reduced a Fusions Timelimit all the way down to only 10 minutes when it’s usually 30 minutes. Which also, what you said makes zero sense, “if Gogeta had Unlimited Energy, he wouldn’t have defused” that’s not how Fusions work, Fusions can’t last forever, unless you’re a Kai using the Potaras, then it will last forever, the more power a Fusion has doesn’t make its Timelimit last longer, same with if it had less power, it’s not gonna reduce its Timelimit, we’ve seen Goku and Vegeta, and even both Goten and Trunks fail the Fusion Dance multiple times, which doesn’t make them that strong, and yet they still have to wait 30 minutes before Defusing, SSJ4 Gogeta Defused soo fast because SSJ4 was waaaaay to powerful, to the point where it somehow effected the Fusions Timelimit. Edit: also, I’m not just looking at the GT Perfect Files, I’m also looking at the actual Show aswell.
@genericwhitemale9566
Жыл бұрын
So SSJ4 Goku only stands a chance if we give SSJ4 Goku Cooler's Revenge Goku's feats.
@BlackScreenProductions125
Жыл бұрын
...which is a bit of a stretch to do, based on a literal split-second cameo.
@josegarza2853
Жыл бұрын
I do see GT Goku beating Golden Frieza from the movie version, but in the anime version, Golden Frieza takes it. Great video my dude! 👌🏼
@Chuck
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@RobinTheMetaGod
Жыл бұрын
@@Chuck The SSJ 4 will always be weaker than SSJ God.
@ShonenGoon
Жыл бұрын
@Robin The Meta God have you actually watched gt? Cause im pretty sure you cant actually use logic to defend this cap statement you just made
@RobinTheMetaGod
Жыл бұрын
@@ShonenGoon The guy thinks Buu, even Kid, is Galaxy levels. The guy also forgets that Goku SSJ God is nearly destroying the Universe against Beerus making him nearly Universe levels or higher. Goku base form in GT has a power level of 24 billion so times the SSJ 3 you get upto 9.6 trillion and times 10 for Oozaro you get 96 trillion them for SSJ4 you have to guess it but I say another 10x so 960 trillion. You throw the Gogeta into this you have 120 (1+1x60) for 115.2 quadrillion. There are multiple ways to calculate the SSJ God. For me I searched up the mass of the Universe in ton, then you decide the tonnage by 6 sextillion or one planet, multiply by 10'000 because to destroy a planet you must have a power level of 10'000, then devide by 100 for 1 per cent of the Universal power then you have the power level or you can devide by about 60'000'000 to Goku base for the multiplier of transformation. You have a power level of over an octillion. The SSJ4 will always be weaker than SSJ God.
@RobinTheMetaGod
Жыл бұрын
@loxt2 Can you not read?
@dl0680
Жыл бұрын
Sorry to disappoint the GTtards but GT Goku gets his ass torn off and handed to himself by Golden Frieza with no difficulty.
@FatalWarGhost
Жыл бұрын
You lost me when you brought in Super Vegito. I understand that maybe one instance Vegito "struggled" against Buuhan, but you act like you didn't watch everything else around that. Chuck, Vegito was LEAGUES above Buuhan. You should know this.
@nazimkhan6322
Жыл бұрын
If they make SSJ4 canon, I have no doubt they will make it as strong as Black Frieza.
@NathanRibeirodeFrancaYegrosFer
Жыл бұрын
I think it would scale at MUI and UE, but could be stacked with both making it the same level as Black Frieza. It would make narrative sene in a way as it would be their (Goku's and Vegeta's) saiyan nature combined with their respective god powers. Plus it would be cool as hell
@justintime1838
Жыл бұрын
they missed that opportunity instead of giving gohan that beast form ss4 easily couldve been exclusive to gohan
@101mrcrazyman
Жыл бұрын
@@justintime1838 if the writers had half a brain
@luminousxii
Жыл бұрын
@@101mrcrazymanyou niggas would've complained and called them lazy regardless
@georgiepig5726
Жыл бұрын
@@justintime1838 eh honestly i think super saiyan 4 fits better with broly he IS the only one with any link to the great ape form through his wrathful/ikari/whatever the fuck else the forms called it may have a million names at this point plus the beast form gohan has kinda fits him more minus the chunky ass hair but i think the og white super saiyan hair colour mixed with the red eyes the super saiyan form originally was supposed to have fits better with gohan especially since the iconic green eyes of the super saiyan form were meant to only appear once a saiyan had mastered the super saiyan form
@ajones6631
Жыл бұрын
Unless its zeno goku i don't see things going well for him
@lasthope3237
Жыл бұрын
Bro I want to debate how wrong you are but I don’t have any energy right now
@xjustanotherpersonx7967
Жыл бұрын
@@lasthope3237 Sounds like excuses
@MasterCast001
Жыл бұрын
i mean the fact that uub is kid buu's reincarnation doesnt prove at all he was at his level 7:30 that was massively amped buuhan by gohan levels of rage. We know that, aside from that, he was no match for vegetto
@Oz1455
Жыл бұрын
I like to hear that GT is more competent than people used to give it credit for (including some of you powerscalers, a few years ago). I didn't get how it was almost majorly established among the community that Super was massively superior (at least pre ToP).
@eobardthawn6903
Жыл бұрын
There both good imo.
@xHollow.
Жыл бұрын
not to mention the writing, symbolism, and the plot were all original and extremely well done. The pacing and Horrid downgraded animation ruined it. Theres a reason why Pan Trunks and Kid Goku were selected to be the main characters. Then how beautifully written to see the Being that helped Goku and the Z fighters up until now (Shenron) turned there backs on em as the FINAL villain of the entire saga. And how Gokus character development was underrated beyond compare.
@wherearemypowers
Жыл бұрын
It takes a while for people to accept new metas in the powerscaling community. Unfortunate but that's just how it is.
@TheLuuman
Жыл бұрын
because DBS fans are stupid lmao. Super wasn't a very impressive series at first and it took a while for it to feel like dbz again. But after time (and animation budget increasing) they fell in love with it and began hating GT more than ever.
@MasterTemplar781
Жыл бұрын
I don't know who says that BOG and ROF are canon to GT bc that is complete and utter BS! First of all we already saw what SSG could do and that would also mean that GT Goku would have SSB same for Vegeta with the first question being WHY DO THEY NEVER USE IT! WHY IS BEERUS NOT MENTIONED IN GT! WHY DOES FRIEZA NOT USE GOLDEN FORMS IN GT! WHY IS WHIS NOT MENTIONED EITHER! Saying that those movies are canon to GT is like saying GT and all movies are canon to Super even tho GT is confirmed uncanon.
@thedinosavior
Жыл бұрын
Good video, on the topic of hyorinjutsu he made a full video breaking down the power scale of all the characters in his what ifs. This doesn’t affect this video but something cool to mention.
@josephkingman523
Жыл бұрын
Well considering this freiza was in hell for 10 years he could have achieved black form at this point, so that gold freiza was probably stronger then resurrection f freiza
@foster9315
Жыл бұрын
I swear the Metal Cooler instant transmission feat has ruined power scaling as a whole for extended universe DB lol
@Ktotokroto
Жыл бұрын
To be fair, If I recall correctly, The Baby Vegeta revenge death ball attack caught up to Kaioshin kai kai, when he was teleporting knocked out Goku off the battlefield. So its not that big of a deal.. At least when scaling GT.
@shido_rimru_
Жыл бұрын
It's not that impressive cause garnola did same thing with goku instant transmission lol same with frieza he was able to react to yadrat with instant transmission lol in ToP
@rice-kuns734
11 ай бұрын
@@shido_rimru_Instant Transmission has a wind up time which both Frieza and Granolah exploited. In the movie Goku is visibly seen activating Instant Transmission and moving in it while Metal Cooler catches up to him. They then start fighting in the middle of INSTANTANEOUS MOVEMENT! There is a stark difference.
@Yokai_Yuri
Жыл бұрын
Short answer: No, not at all. Long answer: If this is composite Goku in ssj4 form, then yes, sure. We can use Xeno's Goku and might be able to. Even so what is important is that Frieza claps goku right now and that is not gonna change anytime soon.
@LavaCreeperPeople
Жыл бұрын
Nope, not even close. even with kaioken x100, it just wouldnt happen. people need to understand that no one in GT is universal (BoG anime goku after absorbing ssg to base was already 3x universal in base), let alone being on par with the god forms
@733ism
Жыл бұрын
You are wrong, everyone in GT scales above End of Z SSJ3 Goku, which scales above SSJ3 Goku vs Kid Boo, who were destroying the sacred world of the kai's which would be Multi Galaxy to Universal + levels of power.
@LavaCreeperPeople
Жыл бұрын
@@733ism that doesnt make sense as omega shenron at his full power, who dominated ssj4 goku and vegeta, was shown to only be able to destroy a universe with his energy overtime. Buu saga characters are multi galaxy level at maximum including vegito. multi-Universal levels of power were already shown at the beginning of anime Super. SSJG Goku is multi-universal as a minimum lowball would be 3x universal (macrocosm). Even if SSJ4 GT goku was universal at maximum power, it still wouldnt be enough against golden frieza.
@b-jaguar6578
Жыл бұрын
Goku ssjg>Super Vegito Buu saga Goku ssj4=Super Vegito Buu saga Nope
@TakeTheWorld21
Жыл бұрын
The original Z movie run kinda has to apply to GT since Goku knows Dragon Fist and Vegeta knew the Fusion Dance, so GT Goku would definitely speed blitz but would definitively STOMP if we hypothetically apply in Xeno Goku since he is GT Goku that went through the Z movies as well as Battle of Gods. This is only HYPOTHETICALLY if we say Battle of Gods and even F are canon to GT.
@OskyyD1
Жыл бұрын
Xeno goku is not gt goku, he was created by the Supreme Kai of time, but if u mean he went thru similar events then yes
@Talesofaweedsmoker
Жыл бұрын
So we have three gokus Super Goku GT Goku and Xeno Goku also the Goku from that weird arcade game universe
@BlackScreenProductions125
Жыл бұрын
nope. Dragon Fist doesn't mean Hirudegan had to exist, Fusion doesn't mean Janenba, and neither of them mean the other movies. none, and I mean NOT A SINGLE ONE, of the Z movies can fit into the main continuity, anime or manga, and we see no definitive proof that they happened in GT. and, using Xeno Goku to scale GT is next-level stupid, they're literally two completely different Gokus.
@terrakage4462
Жыл бұрын
@@BlackScreenProductions125I mean. Explain vegeta knowing the fusion dance and can do it first try no problem. He even suggests it. He had to have done it before to not make a single mistake during the dance imo
@BlackScreenProductions125
Жыл бұрын
@@terrakage4462 I mean, that just means they fused at some point in the past, doesn't mean they had to have fused against Janenba, specifically. plus, he could've just, figured it out, from having seen Goten and Trunks do it, or possibly leftover knowledge from Bebi, having previously possessed Goten before him. point is, there are plenty of explanations that don't require reliance on canon-breaking movies.
@Th3Sandwich
Жыл бұрын
The guide you showed with Vegito was a page that was talking about multipliers of the Super Saiyan transformations and brought in Vegito. Meaning that it's saying that if Goku when SS4 against Buuhan instead of fusing with Vegeta then the fight between SS4 Goku and Buuhan would be simular to Vegito vs Buuhan but with Goku having Mid to High-diff than Vegito having no to low-diff.
@humanman9920
Жыл бұрын
Vegito had mid-high diff against universal scream of Buuhan
@Ts-lz1gj
Жыл бұрын
To be honest everyone always says that this form can beat this form, when it really just depends on what level of power is the for is at currently after fighting this person or this training. For example, ssj 2 goku during the buu arc couldn’t have beaten Zamasu in dragon ball super because this form didn’t encountered lord beeras yet. Goku gained god ki so he was able to beat Zamasu. But with out it he would have lost. Ssj trunks kept loosing to the androids in future. His normal ssj form wasn’t at a level to beat them until after he trained with the z fighters. It always depends on at what level of power the form is at. So xeno goku ssj 4 could definitely beat golden frieza because he gained god ki.
@Black_Knight_-BK-
Жыл бұрын
GT would get oneshotted by SSG Goku in BOG. And if SS4 was used by a god ki user, then I feel it could have potential to grow mid battle like Broly's Ikari form. DBSH is messy in terms of powerscaling and sense, but yeah. He's stronger
@mrmemes5191
Жыл бұрын
Xeno Goku in his base is far more powerful than every single character in the canon series. Including Zeno. SDBH characters are not the same as the mainline versions of them.
@LavaCreeperPeople
Жыл бұрын
@@Black_Knight_-BK- yup
@powerjolt7215
Жыл бұрын
Tbf Xeno Goku is the only person we know to have had both ssg and ssj4. He prefers 4 for a reason and that may be the hax and the raw power being much higher.
@omnijonn277
Жыл бұрын
Ultimate Piccolo vs Moro arc Goku
@twainsbrain1913
Жыл бұрын
Great video! Btw, I think Beerus scales well above all villains, both GT and Super as Beerus is just absolutely the strongest character in universe 7 at this point (excluding Whis who isn't from Universe 7 really), even in the current manga. I can't tell if you were scaling him by what we knew at the time of Golden Frieza's appearance, but I think it is safe to say that even the likes of GT's strongest antagonists get dropped by A God of Destruction. Correct me if I'm wrong.
@eobardthawn6903
Жыл бұрын
For sure Beerus would win, though their is weaker God's of Destruction that could mabye win.
@twainsbrain1913
Жыл бұрын
@@eobardthawn6903 I can't tell exactly what you mean. If you mean that Beerus isn't the strongest GoD then you are probably correct, I'm going to assume it is Jiren's since that Universe was just built different. If you are saying that the likes of Omega Shenron could beat a GoD that is weaker than Beerus, MAYBE Champa because of all that extra weight, but that's a huge maybe.
@eobardthawn6903
Жыл бұрын
@@twainsbrain1913 In the manga Beerus is the strongest. Belmod just won at an arm wrestle. He was able for fight the God's basically all at once. I think the mouse guy was the only one standing, but I could be wrong. In the anime it alludes Belmod>Beerus
@twainsbrain1913
Жыл бұрын
@@eobardthawn6903 Ultra Ego Vegeta will most likely surpass Beerus at some point, maybe the final arc. Goku will also probably end the strongest so he'll be stronger too. At this point, I can't even tell who the final villain is, since no one really seems like a threat outside of Frieza, and I doubt Frieza is currently as strong as Beerus. So unless Whis or even the Grand Priest is an evil mastermind or something, I can't think of an antagonist that would push Goku and Vegeta to surpass Beerus. Sorry for the rant, it's just something that has been on my mind since reading through Granolah.
@eobardthawn6903
Жыл бұрын
@@twainsbrain1913 If Beerus had a fair fight with Super Saiyan God logically he shouldn't be stronger then them now. He is just because they keep buffing him to stay on top. Black Freiza should be powerful enough to beat Beerus high diff due to how powerful he is. He isn't because he keeps getting buffed.
@bread_man010
2 күн бұрын
GT Goku would wipe the floor with golden frieza
@OfficialNice
Жыл бұрын
People just now realizing how great gt was, the design, the creativity, and most of the story are perfect.
@mrmemes5191
Жыл бұрын
not true. super 17 sucked, black star dragon ball saga sucked, shadow dragons could have been massively better. The only good arc was the Baby arc imo. The designs were pretty good, obv SS4 takes the cake.
@flexino7639
Жыл бұрын
Only good thing about GT was SS4
@lordraiden7397
Жыл бұрын
The average AI generated GT stan response. GT is just as trash as Super.
@mrmemes5191
Жыл бұрын
@loxt993 Super 17 had an interesting idea behind it but the execution wasn't good. Shadow Dragons was mid or even bad until Syn showed up. With admittedly good action throughout.
@webslinger4733
Жыл бұрын
Two of the four arcs being ok at best, and the other 2 being dogwater isn’t “most of the story being perfect”
@Jakebusche
Жыл бұрын
Finally, not only do I know how to say Hyroiunjutsu now, but also someone else watched the video. If anyone gets a chance, watch Super Goku vs GT Goku by him also. It’s freaking amazing and shows GT Gokus extreme stamina compared to God
@Chuck
Жыл бұрын
It is pretty good too!
@BlackScreenProductions125
Жыл бұрын
that video is the worst he's ever made, it's nonstop headcanon, blatantly biased in GT's favor.
@RedMist97
Жыл бұрын
The Super Goku vs GT goku was biased as hell, he even went further and not only chose a weaker version of Super goku but he also let gt goku make a wish to make him an adult again
@BlackScreenProductions125
Жыл бұрын
@@RedMist97 and he, for some goddamn reason, gave GT Goku SSGrade 4, but not Super Goku...? and he gave him Trunks' powered-up SS2, FROM Super??? and he literally just made up that him having a tail completely removed any stamina issues with SS3??????????? like, yeah, it's pure nonsense.
@powerjolt7215
Жыл бұрын
Both Goku's were nerfed in that video too. Still a great fight nonetheless. GT Goku was especially weaker than he should've been
@vincentvaughn4766
10 ай бұрын
GT goku’s power was surrpressed due to being in the body of a child but if he were to have his adult body he could bring out more of his power then he could as a kid.
@gintokithetrollgod
Жыл бұрын
The only Golden Frieza SSJ4 Goku beats is the featless Movie version but anime no he loses badly
@darktigersharkmax4432
Жыл бұрын
I would really like if you covered more what if fight scenarios from hyjourinjutsu like gt goku vs super manga goku or just what if scenarios in general
@Chuck
Жыл бұрын
Fosho, but I don't have many ideas rn
@Lotus3.2.2.
Жыл бұрын
Short answer: no😊
@RackerTheRascalMashup
Жыл бұрын
so in both ways, gt goku has a chance if he's able to wear down golden frieza if it's the first time golden frieza shows up due to stamina
@Geozone117
Жыл бұрын
Short answer no
@gokubread2733
Жыл бұрын
Damn i didn't know Chuck was a fan of Hyourinjutsu
@MrBlank41
Жыл бұрын
you smoken a big bag of dhicks if you think anyone in super is on the level of gt goku
@TakeshiInazuma
Жыл бұрын
The problem qith scaling Movies with GT, is that the movies don't even fit with each other, let alone with GT. Some say Movie 12 is canon, but it doesn't fit with DBZ.
@BlackScreenProductions125
Жыл бұрын
yeah, and, using a cameo appearance from Coora to say that M5/6 happened in GT is a bit of a reach, when both movies break Z continuity, and we don't get anything to confirm it's the same Coora.
@TakeshiInazuma
Жыл бұрын
@@BlackScreenProductions125 Exactly, a cameo with no relevance to the plot, name mention, or even speaking lines, shows it was mostly an animator just drawing him to fill in past villains, not to indicate the movies happened. Why would Coora not be next to Frieza trying to fight Goku?
@BlackScreenProductions125
Жыл бұрын
@@TakeshiInazuma yup, but hey, he's there, Goku knows the dragon fist, and Vegeta knows how to fuse, therefore literally every single Z movie has to have happened exactly as shown, obviously.
@TakeshiInazuma
Жыл бұрын
@@BlackScreenProductions125😂I know right
@shirosatsuma4946
Жыл бұрын
Short answer : no
@freshprinceofgettingdisres2089
Жыл бұрын
Doesn’t goku nullify any attack that comes at him at the end of gt
@francescocalce6208
Жыл бұрын
yes it is called change state goku but most of the fandom forgot about it
@ekoyal_gemu4446
10 ай бұрын
GT Goku is a force to be reckoned with. GT was literally Dragon Ball Z not bound by the whole God of destruction and God keep plotline meaning Goku can basically do what he wants and get as strong as he wants. Not to mention all of the movies are Canon to GT as well.
@Lioleusu
Жыл бұрын
Gt is unironically very underrated and frequently ignored when discussing Dragon Ball powerscaling.
@Th3Sandwich
Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@mayojar5264
Жыл бұрын
as a gt fan im pretty happy with your scale chuck, i may have some disagreements here and there but overall im satisfied.
@Drumicall
Жыл бұрын
Easily and he wouldn't even need to go past ssj2
@gabebreeify
Жыл бұрын
just wrong bro ur crazy
@LavaCreeperPeople
Жыл бұрын
Goku ssjg>>>>>Super Vegito Buu saga Goku ssj4=Super Vegito Buu saga Nope
@JeSsE10mCcOy11
Жыл бұрын
Now that I've seen this, I want SSJ4 to be canon even more
@Chuck
Жыл бұрын
On god!
@spritvio639
Жыл бұрын
I think we'll see it eventually. It seems like Toyotaro likes GT since he likes to throw in Easter eggs from time to time in the manga, and he has said that he likes drawing SSJ4.
@najibosman6497
Жыл бұрын
@@spritvio639 yeah but that doesn’t mean anything considering the fact goku and vegeta are both focusing on their god forms respectively, ultra instinct and ultra ego, so shoehorning a form so many like for fan service is extremely tacky
@VoicedPlanet
Жыл бұрын
@najibosman6497 bruh that ship sailed like 7 transformations ago 😂 I don't think that care about seeming tacky anymore. That being said, I do agree that it feels pointless to connect current events to end of Z and then GT because it just opens a box that they won't be able to close adequately
@sevirakalau2171
Жыл бұрын
@@VoicedPlanet Give ssj4 to broly, retcon it to be a part of the LSS Transformations
@12227UserName
Жыл бұрын
I wouldnt really go by the guidebooks. Theyre always inconsistent and get very little input from Akira Toriyama.
@tyrannotherium7873
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I think in the beginning of the fight just like in ROF movie and anime freiza would have the advantage and if he runs out of stamina than ssj4 goku would destroy him
@c-man2475
8 ай бұрын
Base GT Goku in Super17 arc who is millions of times stronger than in start of GT was playing around with a Frieza in Hell who had trained with Cell for over 20 years. So GT Frieza is leagues above Golden Frieza. So SS4 Goku in Super17 arc destroys Golden Frieza.
@brentlybennett357
Жыл бұрын
Ss4 Goku's ' RIZZ ' puts him at Black Frieza's level.
@user153xhzbso8e
Жыл бұрын
Nah Black Frieza solos via having the N-Word pass.
@brentlybennett357
Жыл бұрын
Frieza duz have sauce, and the double close-ilne gut buster to Goku and Vegeta proves he be cooking my boy.
@DouglasAmaral-p8h
2 ай бұрын
The Broly Z film is also Canon because in the games themselves, where Toei has the help and collaboration, it was shown that GokuGT knew Broly from Z. And with the super characters he didn't know and didn't even have lines for those characters, but for the villains in the films, Goku GT has lines and quotes from the past, that is, Goku GT is the Than the movies.
@Jochugumo
Жыл бұрын
Sadly I don't think GT reached universal levels until Gogeta and Omega Shenron, Omega was stated to be affected the universe with his evil ki, Gogeta clowned him, and Omega was defeated by A "Universal" Spirit Bomb I think Frieza is stomping here
@zill0678
Жыл бұрын
agreed
@humanman9920
Жыл бұрын
Nope lol , that stated feat of Omega was through the weakest dragon's ability that black aura one , he was gonna destroy the universe by just existing , negative karma ball is his strongest attack since it has negative energy of all dragon balls not just one let alone the weakest and can only be assumed to be his power level or above . " Universal " spirit bomb is taking energy from people all over the universe not universal in scale . You really mean they killed Kid buu with multiplanetary spirit bomb? Even Cell was said to be solar system level and got beat by an ssj2 . Now that the debunk is done let's get to the actual scaling , GT reached universal+ when Super baby 2's revenge death ball warped Goku further than kaioshin realm from inside the mortal universe , dbs Goku's best power feat was a dc one almost destroying universe with Beeru's help . Revenge death ball's ap scales higher than that , dbs Goku isn't only winning a dc contest but is getting destroyed in a fight because lower scaling feats. GT Goku could shake hell in his base with the shocks reaching past it to King Yemma's place which is 1/3rd+ of universal compared BoG Goku's 1/2 of universe . Even in speed dbs characters only surpass instant transmission vanish speed in Granola arc of the manga while GT Goku and Baby already did it in baby arc, baby's revenge death ball already caught Goku after he vanished with kibito kai's instant teleportation , in physical movement baby's golden great ape form was about to hit ssj4 Goku with an attack right as he was about to teleport him to kaioshin realm with IT and so Goku also just dodged the attack instead of using IT .
@jafsjafs8820
Жыл бұрын
@@humanman9920 the fact here is this: DBS Goku in base>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all dbgt characters.
@taecampus
Жыл бұрын
Yeah GT Goku would get utterly mopped.... bucket would definitely be involved
@deltalord6969
Жыл бұрын
Heck yeah another hyourinjutsu fan!Didnt think you knew about him but its nice knowing you watched those animations too theyre really nice
@Chuck
Жыл бұрын
They're amazing!
@revalier3670
9 ай бұрын
SS4 Goku would put up a great fight but he would lose out in the end due to Frieza's overall raw power. However, as soon as SS4 Vegeta comes in and they fuse into SS4 Gogeta, Golden Frieza is getting his ass ripped out
@sitachi4058
Жыл бұрын
Its all fun and games for ssj4 till Frieza pulls out the timbs and the henny...
@Javi.62018
Жыл бұрын
In my head cannon gt ssj4 goku is stronger than ssjblue goku in super anime(not in broly or current manga) because of time skip and training experience
@manicrhymes9552
Жыл бұрын
I still wanna see a full scaling of the Xeno And CC versions of Vegeta. I've looked into it and holy hell the scaling is insane
@Chuck
Жыл бұрын
I'll be redoing a Xeno Goku video eventually!
@manicrhymes9552
Жыл бұрын
@@Chuck Where's the love for the prince of chadness?
@Chuck
Жыл бұрын
eHHHH
@nunobatista5822
10 ай бұрын
I believe ssj4 goku is somewhere near ssj blue from R.O.F saga, i mean in base he is as strong or stronger than beggining dbs ssj3 goku, so in ssj alone he would be 50 times stronger that that, so in ssj4 he is stronger than ssj god probably and near blue, and since ssj4 goku has shown some pretty fighting tricks he would be able to outlast freeza even if he was weaker than ssj blue, just the fact that in ssj4 he can also use it as a extra arm he will put a good fight
@videoforlife7086
Жыл бұрын
In Hyourginjutsu (sorry if I butchered the name) had frieza training after he died to obtain golden form, (and well, given frieza's ridiculous potential) Frieza trained for 10 years to get Black Frieza and if this frieza trained for 50 (I think, given based off gt goku's age) wouldn't that make him ridiculously stronger than 10 years of training frieza?
@BlackScreenProductions125
Жыл бұрын
well, that Freeza trained for, if my estimates are right, around 30 years, not 50, but yes, he would theoretically be the strongest Freeza ever.
@videoforlife7086
Жыл бұрын
Ok, so, between manga frieza with the black form and this metaphorical version of frieza. Would the black frieza be superior or be evenly matched?
@BlackScreenProductions125
Жыл бұрын
@@videoforlife7086 impossible to say, really.
@rs07scapeNews
Жыл бұрын
The answer is no. i just saved you 14:31
@TheFrew
Жыл бұрын
Even if you dont want to count the cooler thing as an outlier and give goku that speed it like a fly trying to hurt a t rex hit hits wont do much.
@BlackScreenProductions125
Жыл бұрын
exactly. all Freeza has to do is nuke the area, Goku's gone.
@TheFrew
Жыл бұрын
@@BlackScreenProductions125 and we know in character he will do that
@@tarisoala9717yeah DBH characters like him and CC Goku are ridiculous
@genesismultiverse4896
Жыл бұрын
First of all z movies aren't cannon to super why?: Broly, gogeta, cooler and last but not least bardock gt is the superrior continuation
@volcanicz6739
Жыл бұрын
Didn't Koyama state that Broly is the strongest movie villain pre-beerus? You can probably use that statement to add to frieza's side
@Javi.62018
Жыл бұрын
In my head cannon gt ssj4 goku is stronger than ssjblue goku in super anime(not in broly or current manga) because of time skip and training experience
@thefirstprime0124
Жыл бұрын
Didnt the person who said Broly was the strongest villain say that beerus was above him and thats obvious but since ssjg goku was able to contend against wouldn't that mean that freiza is faster then cooler?
@chillinvillain3536
Жыл бұрын
Short answer; Ss4 solo's super cause its too cool for school 😤
@PoxFilms
Жыл бұрын
This is by far the best power scaling of GT I have ever watched. It’s not too much of a high ball or too much of a low ball. It’s perfect. I’m glad you’re giving justice to the argument
@Jeffhogleberg_45
8 ай бұрын
Saiyan scholar better but he deserve the credits he actually does research and is not bias towards super
@p3buckz._
5 ай бұрын
@@Jeffhogleberg_45no saiyan scholar is biased towards Gt he high balls Gt hard.
@Jeffhogleberg_45
5 ай бұрын
@@p3buckz._ can u debunk his scale?
@hex8122
Жыл бұрын
Now an ssi4 goku shouldn’t win since golden frieza was able to beat a super saiyan blue
@Sharkaiju
Жыл бұрын
Unrelated but I want more Uub. Maybe like Uub, Goten and Trunks. That could be the "New GT" where it has its OG Dragon Ball adventures with the action of DBZ. GT tried it but making Goku you get to achieve that didn't do it very well. But with actual kid like characters doing kid adventures albeit with higher stakes (doesn't always have to be) would do well. And around the last 2 season you can make it drama and tie it to God's and etcetera. If you get the right people on board I think it could come out good
@Sharkaiju
Жыл бұрын
*making Goku young to achieve that* is what I meant to say
@mr.knightthedetective7435
Жыл бұрын
You didn't account SSJ4 Goku's broken ability of energy absoprtion and negation he demonstrated when he absorbed Baby Vegetas Revange Death Ball and twicw when he absorbed the power of his family
@goroadachi9489
Жыл бұрын
Absorbed the power of his family? They literally just gave him some energy.
@BlackScreenProductions125
Жыл бұрын
the Revenge Death Ball is an outlier, and absorbing Saiya Power from the others isn't anything, they specifically gave him that power, he didn't do anything.
@mr.knightthedetective7435
Жыл бұрын
@@goroadachi9489 Goku had to ACTIVELY absorb that power still
@mr.knightthedetective7435
Жыл бұрын
@@BlackScreenProductions125 Revenge Death Ball is Anti-spirit bomb which sent Goku beyond the afterlife
@BlackScreenProductions125
Жыл бұрын
@@mr.knightthedetective7435 I don't care what it is, it's the only attack Goku displayed the ability to absorb.
@TKing-ql8vn
Жыл бұрын
End of GT. 100 + years of training goku slaps thou
@1st_treekuworshipper
Жыл бұрын
As headcannon I like to believe ssj4 could keep up with ssjb. Then super full power saiyan 4 could keep up with ssjb kiaoken
@liammcguire1954
Жыл бұрын
Evidence?
@pizzavictory113
Жыл бұрын
@@liammcguire1954 He literally Just said it’s his headcanon Bro
@divinepekora5896
Жыл бұрын
Gt peak fr
@urdailyinformant__
Жыл бұрын
Bro this quality content is blessing us
@chrisgarner4155
Жыл бұрын
Great video although, the Metal Cooler feats really bothered me. Goku wasn't moving that fast at all, he was using instant transmission which is confirmed to be just using spirit control to teleport, it wasn't speed. It was an unnecessary and inconsistent rewrite to make Cooler a bigger threat to the heroes. Honestly that movie was just bad. It constantly and blatantly contradicts statements and feats in the core series. Plus it wasn't very pleasant to look at either sometimes just barely above looking like Resurrection F anime saga. Plus I don't think even GT has it in its timeline as Cooler is in his final form, not his artificial body.
@BlackScreenProductions125
Жыл бұрын
not only that, but Coora's only on screen for, like, half a second, it's not anywhere significant enough to justify using it as a core argument, especially when the movies can't fit in the main continuity.
@georgehouliaras7239
Жыл бұрын
Monke strong. Monke beats everyone.
@Gogetasolos2314
Жыл бұрын
Frieza slams ssj4 can’t even beat ssg or ssb or anything higher then that
@AshoreNevermore
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if the guide is just implying Fusion + SS1 is a larger boost than Base + SS4. E.g.: if Goku goes SS4 during the Buuhan fight, (maybe even full power SS4,) this Goku would be weaker than SS1 Vegeto.
@ACertainMan
Жыл бұрын
It's pretty much a multiplier thing cuz potara is broken, it's also the other way. PERHAPS SSJ potara is stronger than SSJ4, not the other way around.
@AshoreNevermore
Жыл бұрын
Because I'm bored, I wonder how base fusion (no transformations at all) stacks up to perfected SS4. Surely the transformation has to win that hypothetical... but, maybe not.
@DouglasAmaral-p8h
2 ай бұрын
Goku GT: "Broly! I'm stronger than before" lines directed at Broly Z
@Andrew-Bastin
Жыл бұрын
The power scaling in both Super and GT is so inconsistent that this fight could really go either way, especially as most official DB media depicts SSJ4 and SSJB as around on par with each other.
@purplesky4157
Жыл бұрын
No it doesn’t ssjb is always delisted way stronger
@Andrew-Bastin
Жыл бұрын
@@purplesky4157 incorrect, in every official peace of DB media that features both SSJB and SSJ4 they are depicted as about even in terms of power.
@abdifarah5213
Жыл бұрын
@@Andrew-Bastin too bad they're aren't canon and don't prove anything other than to hype
@Gking0906
Жыл бұрын
@@Andrew-Bastin the only piece of media that depicts that is super dragon ball heroes and we ALL know how much of a mess that show is in terms of power scaling lmao one episode base cumber is holding his own against ssb kaioken vegito and then in the next ssj3 cumber is getting his ass handed to him by golden metal cooler. Super dragon ball heroes should not be used in any way to compare two forms
@Andrew-Bastin
Жыл бұрын
@@abdifarah5213 Ah the coveted “canon” which off course is the only thing that matters, by the way which version of Super is canon the movies, anime or manga, or is it Toriyama’s notes, really at this point arguing what is and isn’t canon is ridiculous, DB is a multi-media franchise and every official source is to be considered, and it just so happens that every official source that depicts SSJB and SSJ4 together depicts them at about the same level.
@hamza361
Жыл бұрын
Ssj4 Gogeta GT is probably as strong as BoG Goku.
@theexample4347
Жыл бұрын
I think gokerr wins becuze hes the main character of couse
@christopher8295
Жыл бұрын
Golden frieza would definitely give ss4 goku a really tough fight (look how tanky he is, dude did survive HOURS of beating from ssj super broly, same broly who did make "2" ssb run away), we don't know how exactly strong these 2 are at this point but i have the feeling ss4 goku will have a hard time. To me they are around the same lvl but ofc ye it's headcanon, i have no proof.
@davimedina5165
Жыл бұрын
You forgot to mention Goku's speed feat against Hit which could be considered Immeasurable speed as well since time skip is a time travel technique and goku being able to move inside it with Kaioken would be Immeasurable speed since it breaks the speed equation, there's also a DBS manga databook in which states that the Gods of Destruction transcend time and space which would scale UI Goku to this level since he scales to Jiren and Jiren scales above Belmod
@FizzyMcSoda
Жыл бұрын
There's also Change State Goku with the Super Spirit Bomb, somehow able to tank Omega Shenron's Minus Energy Ball in base. This would imply that he's at least 2x more powerful than Omega Shenron's strongest attack in base if you lowball it. Imagine if Change State Goku went Super Full Power Saiyan 4, and have that Goku fight Golden Frieza.
@TheSuperGoober
Жыл бұрын
When Goku had the change come over him, it was confirmed he was cloaked in an aura that didn't let any attack near him. Given too the size of the spirit bomb, that version of GT Goku would do the same to Frieza as he did to Omega
@buster3041
Жыл бұрын
Goku died.
@powerjolt7215
Жыл бұрын
That Goku absolutely crushes Golden Freeza with zero difficulty lol
@Coolmeham
Жыл бұрын
@@TheSuperGooberwrong
@TheSuperGoober
Жыл бұрын
@@Coolmeham nah. This is Movie Golden Frieza he gets stomped
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