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@Orderflow-sama
Жыл бұрын
TwoBit, given your large online presence maybe you could help lead a movement or help an existing one that has california referendum/amendment signature collection campaigns that want to repeal NEM3, or make a california amendment essentially creating an NEM4 ? Or perhaps just forcing utility companies to credit for outages etc. Thanks for making these videos, would not have known about this issue if it weren't for this video.
@bjlbernal
Жыл бұрын
What is the math on having more battery back up (5 instead of 3 power walls), and having the extra push to the grid at higher rate periods?
@RWBHere
Жыл бұрын
You're better off than the U.K. Our Government cut the once generous feed-in tariff to ZERO, a few years ago, leaving it to electricity suppliers to decide whether to give a feed-in tariff to customers. To my knowledge, only one company does that. There are also de facto restrictions on how big our PV arrays can be. We're allowed up to 4 kW with minimal paperwork. Anything bigger - even if it's only 4.5 kW - requires multiple documents, planning permissions (which we gave to pay for with non-refundable fees and no guarantee of a positive result) and extra installation assessments. The legislation alone can cost many hundreds of pounds, and might still leave the applicant with a rejected application. Furthermore, there is already taxation, in the form of VAT, which was introduced a few years ago, on businesses and state schools, if they have Solar installations. Our elite 'public schools' are exempt from that tax; a blatant example of the privileged being favoured from a taxation perspective. (Our state schools are your public schools, but don't ask me why our public schools are private. 🤷♂) There was no grace period and grandfathering; the tax was simply announced during a budget statement and then implemented shortly afterward. The clear intention, as soon as a government decides that they can get away with it, is for every home installation to be taxed for their electricity generation at some point, rather than being paid for it. Paying for the panels, battery, and electronics, plus installation costs (and 20% VAT for all of that) to support our electricity grid could eventually begin to look like a pointless exercise. On a positive note, we had 19 kWh of LFP storage installed a few months ago, for less than £9,000. We'll have PV panels installed later, but meanwhile, it's midwinter and we're hardly using any peak price (39.6p/ kWh) electricity. We're recharging the battery, and our EV, overnight for 8.25p per kWh. Even without Solar PV, the system will regain our costs within 3 to 5 years, based upon today's electricity prices and our particular (barely advertised) tariff rates.
@davesworld7961
Жыл бұрын
You need to protest and repeal this. They need to encourage as much solar as possible.
@guysumpthin2974
Жыл бұрын
Geeez was that governor actually “voted” in by the people??
@michaelhiltz7846
Жыл бұрын
Got to love Calufornia. Always pushing for a progressive forward thinking green future while always finding a way to make that future as impossible as possible in the name of profits
@lukesutton4135
Жыл бұрын
Commiefornia*
@brucefrykman8295
Жыл бұрын
Down with profits, make all jobs NOT-FOR-PROFIT "government work" with guaranteed "fair pay" for everyone. Your first job will be to erect a fence so we can't get in and you can't get out or your "workers paradise"
@darrellboggess4954
Жыл бұрын
so progressive, and yet so capitalist at the same time
@JoeSmith-cy9wj
Жыл бұрын
@@darrellboggess4954 so, you see no difference between the citizens trying to go green, and big energy companies crying to legislators they're going broke?
@JohnDoe-ml8ru
Жыл бұрын
Thats called a democrat
@freeheeler09
Жыл бұрын
Our California utility monopoly made enough profit last year to pay its CEO 50 million dollars. And yet, now CA is destroying the solar industry. This at a time when heatwaves, fires and drought are getting worse! My plan had been to, as I could afford it, get solar, then an EV, then batteries. I still may out of spite, just to get off of PG&E!
@LordSaliss
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. The utilities complain they are losing money, and it is unprofitable for them to have solar on houses, yet they all post record profits as always.
@robocu4
Жыл бұрын
Lmao you want some real advice, leave that abomination of a state
@diatonicdelirium1743
Жыл бұрын
@@LordSaliss Just imagine the record profits when they can suck more money out of you!
@mitchellsmith4601
Жыл бұрын
We Californians are seeing what happens when you privatize essential services like power and Internet. Republicans pushed for these private monopolies so it’s a little late for deep red San Diego to complain about high utility prices. You did this to all of us.
@akejron1
Жыл бұрын
This is why he is paid 50 mil for. Exactly to do shot like this.
@Foreignexchanger
Жыл бұрын
Perhaps the core reason California approved this bill is because they want people investing in battery tech.
@TwoBitDaVinci
Жыл бұрын
Possibly true!
@neverleftthe80s29
Жыл бұрын
That was never going to last. Where I live in Australia we have gone from 16.3c to 12.8c to 8c to 6c to 5c AUD per kWh into the grid. Some people even get zero or 3c now. They then charge us back at 33c and heading up to 40c over the next year-ish. It is a bloody disgrace. I have 13.2kw Solar and 2 x Powerwall's now. The more power goes up and the less they gives us for solar credit just means that the Powerwall's will pay for themselves quicker.
@kautzz
Жыл бұрын
sounds similar to what we have in spain. it sucks but it's not a real issue, private PV is exploding atm. you are totally correct about what you are explaining at the end: self consumption is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more economic than selling excess! To add to it... there are more ways to increase self consumption aside for installing batteries. you could heat up water with a heatpump during times of overproduction and store it for later use (warm water / heating). you could buy an EV and use your overproduction to drive around. some EVs have 2-way charging, they can be used as a battery to power your utilities at home...
@protonmaster76
Жыл бұрын
Self consumption is the way to go. And yes, hot water storage is the biggest, cheapest battery that most people already own (well in New Zealand and Australia anyway).
@jimk8520
Жыл бұрын
@@protonmaster76 I’ve heard storing heat in sand (if you have the means) is even more efficient.
@k7iq
Жыл бұрын
Amen to that !
@markmuir7338
Жыл бұрын
Yep. I modified my EV charger a couple years ago to make it charge my car using only excess solar production during the day. It made my typical solar utilization go from ~20% to over 80%! NEM 2.0 in California meant that this had no financial impact, but it made my driving 100% fossil free for the vast majority of the year.
@MikesTropicalTech
Жыл бұрын
Martin, I'm moving to Barcelona literally next week and would love to get some solid information on the true way solar works there and the best strategies. I was in solar engineering for 5 years and I want to be as informed as possible so if you have any info, please send it over. Thanks!
@terrya6486
Жыл бұрын
This is exactly why I went off the grid 5 years ago. I don't want to play the game when they can change the rules and I would have no say in what's happening.
@theproffessional9
Жыл бұрын
Give them a little longer and off grid won't even be an option..
@terrya6486
Жыл бұрын
@@theproffessional9 They can't even enforce people taking a dump on the street or peeing on the ground they really have time to go looking for off the grid people?
@trancetechkid
Жыл бұрын
Yeah it’s not in any residential area. You have to have a connection by law. So not extremely rural areas can you go off grid afaik.
@HarnessedGnat
Жыл бұрын
Yes but you had to oversize your system (seasonal) and get a battery system (nights). The grid is like a cheap (depending) battery.
@terrya6486
Жыл бұрын
@@trancetechkid You can be off the grid anywhere just don't pay your bill. Open your main breaker in your panal there you go you're off the grid.
@iancowan3527
Жыл бұрын
I have to give you solid credit... You actually care, taken the time to learn and in return explain the topics, and actually do a very good job at all the above! Thank you!
@rolandwoltman7835
Жыл бұрын
Yes, but... How much cobalt is in a Tesla battery or two? How much child (slave?) labor are we comfortable with?
@garycallihan4206
Жыл бұрын
Standard grifting practices performed so well here in California, from state to county to city, to extract all and more from taxpayers.
@iancowan3527
Жыл бұрын
@@rolandwoltman7835 - since 2021, Tesla has shifted to Cobalt- and Nickel-Free batteries! So "Zero" Cobalt! And where did "Child Labor" come from?
@mitch_the_-itch
Жыл бұрын
Nothing forward thinking about Progressive Communism. It is exactly like the plain old version of Communism with a added flavor of leftwit Euro Fascism. Govt is always the problem and these Commie mfkers dont have my consent..
@iancowan3527
Жыл бұрын
@@mitch_the_-itch - Not going to argue any of your points, but I'm not making a single connection between what you've said to what I said or to what was stated in the video...
@rumpNrhino
Жыл бұрын
Man... I am glad I decided to finally get a solar system installed last year. Still need to add batteries, as I only had enough to get panels. Thank you for this video, as it's relieving to know I'm locked into NEM2!
@aus-reviews8462
Жыл бұрын
they did this in Australia a year ago, currently receiving 5c per kwh meaning its almost useless
@mikesevgarage
Жыл бұрын
It’s even worse here in Michigan. We have a reduced payback rate from the utility AND a mandatory distribution charge. Meaning, even if we did not use the grid at all for a month, the fact that we are hooked up to it will generate a distribution charge we must pay even if they didn’t “distribute” anything 😢
@philipm3173
Жыл бұрын
That's really whack
@michaelharmon5991
Жыл бұрын
Oh, it can get worse. In Huntsville Alabama you are required to be connected to the grid. They condemned the property of a homesteader and forced him out of his own property because he refused to connect.
@sjsomething4936
Жыл бұрын
@@michaelharmon5991 wow, that seems like a law just waiting for a challenge. Unfortunately it’d have to be a class action as otherwise the PUC and politicians will likely bury you. That’s messed up, to say the least.
@waywardgeologist2520
Жыл бұрын
Then just disconnect from the grid and store your own power.
@icosthop9998
Жыл бұрын
@@michaelharmon5991 Damn ❗️
@SrenKlintrup
Жыл бұрын
This happened years ago in Denmark, new systems are still being installed even though we have way fewer solar-hours than California does. Most new systems does include a battery-pack of some sort today though. Perhaps try to look at it from the POV of "the grid", you want to keep your utilization as stable as possible, meaning it doesn't make any sense to subsidise the users to use lots of power when the consumption is at its highest, getting a bunch of battery packs out to the edge will help stabilize the usage lowering the need for inefficient power generation. An alternative could be to invest in central battery storage, however then you're just centralising the cost, making everyone else pay for the minority with solar panels, which doesn't really make much sense either.
@owenashcroft8167
Жыл бұрын
Exactly 1-to-1 net metering encourages people to look at the grid as a battery, when really what you want (ideally) is to encourage people to store their own generated power to use later, rather than relying on peak generation facilities that are often dirty. Every time the UK reduced the subsidies on solar the industry claimed it was about to die, in reality that never happened, and that was before our current stupidly high energy prices
@glike2
Жыл бұрын
Cost for private battery per kWh is much higher versus big grid battery especially with newer tech like CO2, liquid metal, .... Because labor costs and installer profits are much higher for private installs...
@lindam.1502
Жыл бұрын
We have had this in Victoria Australia for a number of years. We manage by load shifting consumption to daylight hours, pre-heating and pre-cooling the house during the day so minimal power is needed overnight. We have a single Powerwall which deletes our bill entirely
@robertstout7756
Жыл бұрын
Preheating or cooling makes a lot of sense. We also have our 2 freezers on timers so they only run during the day. They have plenty of mass to easily maintain a good temperature overnight. We get a lot of our food seasonally and store for later.
@leonhardtkristensen4093
Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately even with a battery then it is my belief and calculations tells that batteries are not worth it. I have solar and have had it for about 10 years but I haven't even registered for the peanuts we get here in Victoria Australia where I am as well. Most of the time we have used even more power than generated our selfs so it has been ok but 4 years ago I got more panels put up. Too fast after the first ones so no government help but we also got more aircon's installed so justifyable - at least if I think about the environment. Now I am playing with a self assampled battery system (and more panels than the power compagny allowes but not connected directly) so now we are saving some. To think about the environment is probably the only reason for many to justify to get solar here in Victoria.
@billweirdo9657
Жыл бұрын
@@leonhardtkristensen4093 " Hydro gravity battery " I believe is what they call it. Basically you use your excess electricity to pump water into a big reservoir like your own home water tower and have another buried water reservoir. Excess electric production water pumps water up. When you need extra power for the night or cloudy day you can on demand use gravity to drain water from top reservoir into underground to produce hydro electricity. You can supplement the system with minimum regular batteries as well. I know of someone with an off grid hunting lodge that has 1 single small solar panel to power the pump. He uses some kind of salt water so it doesn't freeze.
@leonhardtkristensen4093
Жыл бұрын
@@billweirdo9657 Yes the idea is ok but has some limitations. I have looked into it as I have a small farm with 2 dams with about 10 meters hight difference. Unfortunately they are about 150 meters apart. I have done calculations on it and found that in my situation I could only expect about 400w continously out of it and my 3kva inverter wanted more. Of cause the inverter doesn't use 3kva continously so a battery could be used in between. Next problem was cabeling. I use 24v and at that low voltage the current will be about 17amp. I would need 150 meters of cable and to eliminate most losses it would have to be quite thick. Some turbines give out ac and that could be at a higher voltage and there fore cheaper cable but it would still be costly. In addition to that I would need a secure source of water and at that time my dams dried out in the summers and I had no other watter source. I do have a bore now but I also have batteries. Batteries are in my oppinion the cheapest solution for me at the farm. Pumped hydro is not the most effecient solution but is viable if you have 2 dams close together with a hight difference of at least 10 meters and a sufficient water supply. I saw it for the first time i Germany about 50 years ago used to supply peak loads on the mains and it was claimed that for that use it was more economical than coal fired power stations. To have a private water tower on a surburban house block might be difficult to get a permit to build. Also I think it would be quite costly. Lifepo4 batteries would probably be a cheaper solution but compared to be connected to the mains that is a little costly too in the surburbs. At my farm I don't have mains and to get it will be very costly so at the moment Lifepo4 batteries and lots of solar panels is the solution I believe. A diesel backup heater helps but mainly I stay at home when it is too cold. A firewood heater would be good and may be much cheaper if one has lots of dead trees etc around but I am not that mobile any more so I can't really handle that any more. My brother and I used to have a hut in a forrest years ago and that had hydronic heating that my brother had made up. We had a big boiler outside and lots of fire wood. There could be ice on the water outside and a heat wave inside in the hut. I calculated once that using 12v 100ah LiFePo4 batteries and charging them in the summer for all the energy use in a surburban house through the winter would be quite possible in the way that the footprint of the batteries wouldn't be all that big but the cost for the batteries would be at least 1 million A$. I don't have that kind of money.
@billweirdo9657
Жыл бұрын
@@leonhardtkristensen4093 yes alot of things that can be problematic with the set up. In reality if would depend on what your needs are ( and land is like). Definitely some hurdles. The hunting cabin I spoke of used a very small wood furnace for heat so not running a electric heater saved him alot of load. He ran a small fridge and a few creature comforts . Like I said he used a single small panel to run a low powered pump to bring the water up. He had a few marine batteries wired in together. He calculated his needs for a 48 hour period ( rather small needs) and had enough marine batteries for that. The hydro power charged the batteries and ran a inverter off those to power the cabin. I always found it to be a pretty awesome off the grid set up. He threw it together with junk yard parts and upcycleing junk around his home stead. The knowledge needed is beyond me. You could of course by pass the solar panel all together in different ways like if you ran the water piping through the wood furnace or a hot manure pile. Of course if your going to do that subfloor heating would be rather nice.... anyways getting off subject here. Thanks for the knowledge and conversation 🍻
@Runehorn
Жыл бұрын
"I hate high pressure sales" "Get solar now"
@IowaKim
Жыл бұрын
Is there a way for home owners in an area to form an electric cooperative in California? We have a lot of those here in Iowa and they are fantastic to work with-they are not motivated by profits, but by the satisfaction of their owners.
@ohioplayer-bl9em
Жыл бұрын
ohio has a few .. on a different subject but same concept credit unions are the best as well
@workski2
Жыл бұрын
I couldn’t agree more. One reason I left Cali is because of the increased cost of living. I bought a home in Florida, I have 9500 watts of solar and two powerwalls. I NEVER have an electric bill except for the standard line fees of about $20/month. I am essentially energy independent. My system cost me about $45k, however, I love it. I never have to worry about power outages or a high energy bill. Two Bits is right, take the plunge now before it is too late.
@foley2k2
Жыл бұрын
I'm building a similar size system on the cheap. So far, $3300 for 10.3kw of panels.
@tahirj9129
Жыл бұрын
How did you pay 40 grand for 10kw 😭. U got scammed bro, shouldve stayed in cali
@tahirj9129
Жыл бұрын
Amazing! Off grid?
@carloslemos6919
Жыл бұрын
@@tahirj9129 He has 2 powerwalls ...
@Perankhscribe
Жыл бұрын
Dumb dumb, it's the storage. Average IQ 92 Californian right there.
@calvinflager4457
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your research and information. I certainly can't fault you for encouraging people to act quickly in order to insure a better deal for 20 years. A comment: a Tesla Wall is probably one of the most expensive options you could choose for battery backup. I work as an independent contractor with a solar installation company in Arizona. We install a 100Ah 48 volt battery (with actual 51.2volts) for $2900. Six of those would provide about 30Kw of backup for $17,400 installed, compared to the $28,000.00 you mentioned for two Tesla Walls providing 28Kw. Big savings. These batteries are made with LiFePo4 cells and the batteries are warrantied for 10 years. And if a person is into DIY there are great deals for half that cost.
@HollisAudioLabs
Жыл бұрын
One thing to also consider is a solar roof if your roof needs replacing. Our roof was 27 years old and it made sense to go with the solar roof and Powerwall2s instead of new roof, solar panels and Powerwalls. We wanted power backup and that works for us. We were the first solar roof with Powerwalls in our Electric Coop's area. We are at 105% offset for 2022 and that was only 11 months since the system went online. They are looking for peak offset as they also have a solar farm as well. Glad it is done and working.
@NikoBellaKhouf2
Жыл бұрын
So if you need a new roof, you can get a solar roof and save money? I never heard of this before and do need a new roof. Thanks
@hardergamer
Жыл бұрын
@@NikoBellaKhouf2 You remove the old roof with a Tesla solar roof, so yes you can save money IF you were getting solar.
@LizardVideoDude
Жыл бұрын
I also live in San Diego and got solar panels years ago. You didn't mention one important thing: *SDGE's "Minimum Charge Adjustment".* If your electricity bill is below a certain amount, they *add $10 - $13 to your bill!* So in the months where I overall *generate electricity and earn credit,* their additional charge negates the credit. This was never mentioned by anyone, and has been the case since day one. More monopoly bullshit.
@markmuir7338
Жыл бұрын
Yeah - I saw that connection charge on my bill starting a few years ago. But having solar for 9 years now and generating slightly more than I use each year, I've never yet been landed with an actual bill - but it does slowly eat into my $2000 credit that I built up during NEM 1.0. But I don't really mind that - it feels icky to me to be using expensive infrastructure and not paying anything for it.
@l0gic23
Жыл бұрын
@@markmuir7338 they would have to buy the power from somewhere....
@court2379
Жыл бұрын
@@markmuir7338 Ah, someone who gets it. Bravo. So many don't understand the service they are receiving and that it has a cost. It's only fair to the power company and all the other customers that solar customers pay their share of keeping the grid and power plants running. Without a basic service fee the non solar users are paying for the solar users. I have heard some power companies charging outrageous fees though basically negating the point of having solar. That isn't right either. It's going to be a tricky game though. As more and more people produce power the power companies become less profitable. As batteries become less expensive more people will buy them and go completely off grid. The cost to run the power plants and maintain the grid is fairly constant however. They lose more and more customers and make less on selling power, so they will start raising prices to compensate, which will drive more customers to buy solar and disconnect. I see power prices rising in the future and ultimately a crisis for keeping the grid working. Perhaps it doesn't need to. Australia is going thru this issue now.
@Robert_McGarry_Poems
Жыл бұрын
@@court2379 Diablo canyon, cough cough...
@court2379
Жыл бұрын
@@Robert_McGarry_Poems I'm not in CA so don't know the details for that reference. Isn't that the nuclear plant they are shutting down?
@jenniferwiedmeyer4609
Жыл бұрын
I’m in Florida and I heard that fpl and duke were considering doing something similar- not sure if it actually passed through yet or not. We signed our contract back in June 22 and we went live November 3. Best decision we ever made! Our bill prior to was around between 188-210 every month. Now we are getting an 80.00 credit for our first month energy dependent free! We do have a solar loan at 153/ month-however it is far lower than we were previously paying fpl
@sunso1991
Жыл бұрын
California: we need to conserve water! also California: there is not enough liquid in waste line so we need to charge you more to repair the clogged lines California: we need to go solar and green! also California: we are going to try to tax you for solar and lower the economic incentive into the ground! normal people: wait what?
@shaunhall960
Жыл бұрын
I'm still going solar no matter what. I live in a different state but I'm sure politics is going to be a factor in whatever state you live in. Thanks for being an advocate for us Ricky!
@TwoBitDaVinci
Жыл бұрын
Love it Shaun yeah me too … I want energy independence
@dave.h
Жыл бұрын
@@TwoBitDaVinci Thanks for making this informative video! Do you know how much roughly to get an application approved before the April deadline?
@Al.Mo.
Жыл бұрын
"no matter what" sounds more like an ideology rather than a rational decision
@Vaeldarg
Жыл бұрын
@@Al.Mo. Not exactly: when you are aware the utility company will try everything to prevent you from doing something that will simply cut into their profits, "no matter what" becomes the only way to eventually break free of them.
@ddyoder
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the 2023 video and warning on NEM 3.0 for people to consider. I thankfully got my solar contracts signed Jan2021 and online May2021 so I’m safely on NEM 2.0 and a sub 2.5% finance rate - I keep trying to help others get onboard and though most dragged their feet last year I hope this year, despite longer ROI, some will secure a NEM 2.0 deal before April deadline. Regardless, seems cash vs finance is best current path to go
@MikesTropicalTech
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this valuable advice Ricky. I worked for REC Solar / SunRun in the Engineering department in San Luis Obispo, California for 5 years before I moved overseas. Has any news outlet done any investigative reporting on this obvious scam by the utilities? How did they get the regulators to agree to this? The same kind of thing happened in Arizona and it nearly killed solar in one of the sunniest places in America.
@chadthundercaulk1167
Жыл бұрын
Building codes require solar on new construction. I think there's an option to buy the electric company solar panels and keep paying for the service on top of that
@x3dominator28
Жыл бұрын
It’s never been about the environment with these people. It’s ALWAYS been about control. The sooner you realize that the better.
@Chimyjoe1
Жыл бұрын
it amazes me how different states have different interconnection agreements. In Maine, unless you have a non-residential system, they don't pay you for your generated solar. Instead, they credit you kWh. so if you generate 100kWh extra for the month, that means you have 100kWh of credit. Doesn't matter when you use it, you get that 100kWh back for free. But these credits eventually expire ( I think its after 6 or 9 months).
@ccibinel
Жыл бұрын
Net metering is not fair to utilities since it shifts the storage problem entirely on them. NEM3 is actually quite fair as it puts it on the consumer to provide the storage if they want the system to be effective for export or energy independence. The flat fees were criminally stupid but with that dead what is left is reasonable; Storage is expensive and treating solar like on demand power sources is not accurate.
@protonmaster76
Жыл бұрын
I could not said it better myself
@davidlowton3423
Жыл бұрын
Very interesting, I live in QLD Australia and we have something similar. When our solar systems generate electricity we consume what the house requires and any excess is exported to the grid. Currently we are paying around 20c - 30c per KWH consumed (depending on your plan and retailer) from the grid but only credited 5c per KWH for what we export. We also pay an 8c per day solar metering charge (that is in addition to the $1 per day we already pay to have a connection and meter). I think it is a great incentive to maximise your personal consumption by looking at things like batteries to store and reuse your own green energy, Electric vehicles (as long as you can charge them through the day), also water heating. I am personally in the process of adding a larger solar system, a battery and hopefully soon an EV. These should reduce my electricity bill and petrol costs.
@davelawson2564
Жыл бұрын
use solar water hEATER , lot chEAPER
@uliwehner
Жыл бұрын
@@davelawson2564 how much hot water storage does that need to supply hot water at night?
@davelawson2564
Жыл бұрын
@@uliwehner how long you need hot water and how many users ? Till midnight ? And which country ?
@uliwehner
Жыл бұрын
@@davelawson2564 lots of questions. I would be fine with a generic answer. Think of of two people taking showers in the morning.
@FalkinerTim
Жыл бұрын
Yes. A good post. What bugs me, living in Melbourne, is that the distributors do not allow me to put as much solar on my roof as I want even though I am happy to limit my exports to 5 kwh or, for that matter, agree not to export at all. It seems to make a nonsense out of government policies to reduce CO2.
@evolv.e
Жыл бұрын
Excellent video as always. I had 10kW (20 panel) roof solar installed 3 years ago. Haven’t had an electric bill since and earn back an average of $670 annually as a bill credit or check back from Edison. Understanding that I’m giving back most of the excess energy back in the daytime, only to buy it back for two the price I was credited during peak hours (4-9pm), I decided I was going to invest in battery storage, so this year I installed 14.4kWh of battery back up from EcoFlow, connected to their Smart Panel. Total amount spent: $10,900 (+ tax) installed and worth every penny. Now I expect even greater annual bill credits going forward. What I love about EcoFlow us you can buy smaller amounts of battery back up and modularly connect more as you go or as needs arise. I started with just one Delta Pro, then added an Delta extra battery to my Smart Panel. Loved it so much, I doubled the capacity to 14.4kW later the same month (BF/cyber Monday sale prices made the decision easier). Slightly less than the price of a Tesla PowerWall, with slightly more capacity, and the flexibility of adding more capacity of needed, plus the option of removing individual units for camping/off grid use, lend to a neighbor in case they’re without power, or even use an an “electric gas can” should someone need an emergency charge brought to them. Downsides are that the smart panel the batteries connect to are limited to 10 home circuits of your choosing and a max of 30A, though, a dual voltage hub between two Delta Pros does allow up to 7200w/240v output if needed. Another disadvantage compared to a PowerWall is not being able to participate in Tesla’s VPP, which can earn back supplemental amounts of money during peak grid demand. In all though, I’m very happy with EcoFlow’s battery storage / home back up solutions. I even have a separate portable EcoFlow foldable suitcase style solar panel that I can use to power up EcoFlow batteries in the go.. AND I bought their X-Stream J1772 adapter that quickly fills up Delta Pros from level 2 EV charging stations if desired. And if that weren’t innovative enough, they even have the future option of recharging the batteries with a wind turbine. Anyways, battery back up is more than peace of mind during an outage. It’s offsetting peak usage (I use virtually no energy on the ten circuits running through my Smart Panel during selected time periods, ie 4-9pm), and can be used away from the home, which. aside from being modular, is EcoFlow’s biggest advantage over a PowerWall that is stuck to the wall. A great alternative to a PowerWall for those wishing to add back up at incremental stages, and those wanting power portability. Bluetti, a competing brand similar to EcoFlow’s modular system is another great option to consider.
@shdwbnndbyyt
Жыл бұрын
A problem with ecoflow is that it is expensive for the kwH of storage... More than twice the expense of places like Big Battery... And I bought two 100 AH 24 V LiFePO4 battery packs for Signature Solar (to make a 48 V system) for just under $1000... that is over 5 kWh for under a third the cost... of course I already had theLVX 6048 Hybrid Solar Inverter split phase 120V/240V (Grid Feedback & Battery Optional) for just over $1500... so still less than ONE Ecoflow pack that is much smaller.
@lakorai2
Жыл бұрын
Ecoflow makes a great product but you would have spent far less money doing your own controllers, inverters and lifepoe4 batteries yourself.
@TheeRocker
Жыл бұрын
well how will it be when they raise the rates of Electricity because of demand and limitation Laws ? They will eliminate the reimbursement of over-supply, and increase the grid price per unit used... If it was that great, we would all have Solar roofs, instead of shingle or metal roofs. And there would be no need for electric companies at all. Many manufactures could not cure or develop their products using only solar/wind energy. Not anywhere in the world.
@TheeRocker
Жыл бұрын
@@lakorai2 ,,, True, and if every household went that route, there would be an abrupt halt due to supply. SO still not doable.
@mikmik9034
Жыл бұрын
In my state thee is a MONTHLY maintenance fee of at least 100$. This is a required lease. All kickbacks/refunds, government grants go to the Installing company. The contract is a minimum of 25 Years. This reduces the property values, as no one wants to be obligated for the life of the roof. READ THE FINE PRINT and every clause of the Contract. Don't believe the ads or the spoken words of the salesman. READ it, if it is not in the printed contract it does not exist.
@FalkinerTim
Жыл бұрын
In Australia the export tariff is much less than the retail price. E.g. purchase at 25 cents per kwh and export at 6.8 cents. However, solar is still very worthwhile and homeowners are simply using all their electricity in hot water systems and EVs as well as installing batteries to enable the solar to be stored and used during the night. Electricity distributors are also requiring exports to be limited to 5 kwh and (I do not understand this) imposing limits on the size of solar installations to, for example, 6.6 kw even though the home owner is willing to accept an export limit, or even agree not to export any at all.
@mistersniffer6838
Жыл бұрын
Amazing how no matter how much the individual tries to be independent, they push that much harder to take it away. Every time, every step, everyday. Ice picks and eyeballs need to start meeting together!!
@owenashcroft8167
Жыл бұрын
Problem is if you're relying on 1-to-1 net metering you're not being independent, you're treating the grid like a battery, when it's not, you push power into the grid, that may or may not be sold, through infrastructure you don't pay for if you get a $0 bill (here in the UK we have a standing charge so it's impossible to get a £0 bill unless you disconnect from the grid entirely as you still have to pay for the infrastructure). So you send excess power into the grid, where the utility may not be able to sell it, as they don't store it, pushing it along power lines and into substations you don't pay to support if you balance your use and generation, then you take power from the grid at peak times that could be generated by expensive peak generation facilities that are often carbon intensive and cost far more per kWh than your solar ever did, but also don't pay for that. 1 to 1 net metering is nice, but it's not being independent, being independent is batteries and relying on the grid only during abnormal situations, not treating it like a battery, which is what the current California scheme encourages. The changes are a tough pill to swallow, it was in the UK when the generous schemes were removed, but the reality is you should be looking to use as much of your power as possible, either by time shifting your use or storing it locally, and then anything going to the grid is genuine excess you won't use.
@unclefatbloke687
Жыл бұрын
Exactly! They need the revenue to keep the Swamp flowing! Imagine if someone invented a solar panel so efficient you only needed one on your roof to power your entire needs! Or a small wind turbine that did the same. That would be perfect for the public, and they would have more money to spend. BUT, the local and central governments would lose their biggest money maker! It would probably end up like that guy who apparently/allegedly invented a water fuel cell for running cars, and then he suddenly and mysteriously died! And his invention disappeared!
@Rev22-21
Жыл бұрын
@@unclefatbloke687 : There's a free PDF download called "Practical Guide to 'Free-Energy' Devices" one could take a look at; but beware some (if not the majority) of the content is just nutty. Notwithstanding, I do believe there are a few designs that are plausible and worth sifting through.
@Rev22-21
Жыл бұрын
Of course you're correct. You see in the eyes of socialist that money in your pocket/purse/piggy bank/bank or credit union IS NOT YOURS, NO, it's theirs....you're just holding it for them. You're the cash cow and don't ever forget that.
@mistersniffer6838
Жыл бұрын
@@owenashcroft8167 - Come on, stop all the gawd dayum excuses and boot licking!! They have meters they can turn on and off when they want, whith the command of a keyboard from a distance long far away. I am sure they could make a meter to turn on or off when they need more power. Pretty easy to keep track of reverse flow with a separate meter for the home owner. If the power company needs power and requests it, the home owner charges, PERIOD!!
@k7iq
Жыл бұрын
Self consumption and adding battery energy storage will be the future. Where the sun shines, this will considerably reduce utility cost for customers after the initial investment. This isn't too bad ! For the right place and the right systems, people could go off grid completely.
@bioboertuur
Жыл бұрын
if you small 'real world example' is real world indeed, a battery is a no brainer it seems? 300/month payback gives you a nice return on most battery systems I think? The off grid capability is a bonus imo apart from that, damn, california had a nice pricing system before. free battery on the grid ...
@ccibinel
Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately the demand for those systems is already massive and they are 15-20x the cost of the batteries currently ($20,000 to install a 10 kwh system - cells are ~$1000-1500 wholesale). Hopefully with more demand we will see chinese companies importing LFP based systems on mass but protectionism could get in the way of that to. Environmental policy, engineering, money and geopolitics; solar is a mess.
@jamesbizs
Жыл бұрын
Yeah? Where you getting all those batteries? How many children need to die for your precious batteries?
@bryanwhitton1784
Жыл бұрын
@@ccibinel Except for the Tesla Powerwall they are all LFP cells. I have heard rumors that Powerwall 3 will have LFP cells as well.
@bryanwhitton1784
Жыл бұрын
@@jamesbizs Storage uses LFP cells so no Cobalt no child laborers. That is true for all of them except Tesla Powerwall. The Powerwall 3 is expected to be LFP as well.
@TedToal_TedToal
Жыл бұрын
At first, I was thinking the same way you are about this, that it’s a disaster. But as I’ve learned more about it, and thought more about it, I’m beginning to come around to the point of view that it’s a good thing. Now it may be that I don’t have correct information yet because the plan is new and it’s hard to find the details on it. But what I read led me to believe that the new plan will price electricity at its actual value rather than artificial rates designed to encourage solar. It is also my understanding that we currently have a great excess of electricity during daytime hours, due to the massive amount of solar already present in California, and because of this, electricity is only worth about five cents per kilowatt hour during the day, and yet solar providers are being paid more like $.20 per kilowatt hour for the power they export. Meanwhile, in the evening, when power usage peaks, solar is no longer producing and rates are sky high. This situation begs for batteries, and we already know that, we know that we have a solar energy storage problem that we need to address as soon as possible. Batteries accompanying every solar roof system are pretty much a must for the future. They may be expensive now, but the price is gonna come down. And another thing I read was that the new law provides a pretty big fund for subsidizing batteries. I read that battery-stored electricity exported during the peak evening hours will be compensated by much higher rates of return than solar owners currently receive during the day, even up to two dollars per hour in the San Diego area. It is economically right to price electricity at its actual value, that’s the only way you’re going to encourage the build-out of a system that will actually provide electricity when it is needed. Peak hours are going to be changing as more and more green energy sources come online and more and more EV’s are on the road. It probably makes more sense to be charging EVs during the day than at night at this point in time. We need to have a system flexible enough to use economic incentives to encourage people to produce and consume energy in accordance with what is best for the planet and the grid. I have a friend who bought a Tesla battery, but has no solar on his house. He makes money with it, charging it at times when electricity is cheap and discharging it when he gets paid more for it. He makes money every day on his battery, and can do this because he has progressive SMUD as an energy provider. I’m thinking that if NEM3 is what I understand it to be based on my reading, then everybody in California will be able to do the same thing if they can manage to finance a battery or two.
@stefanweilhartner4415
Жыл бұрын
you are absolutely right. if you get dynamic pricing for buying and selling electricity, you can turn from a burden to the grid to someone who balances the grid. you are no longer part of the problem but part of the solution.
@mitchrothermel8157
Жыл бұрын
But if everyone has solar it will make less money. The system voltage will get too high and thuds reducing all solar output. Battery storage is the best with no export.
@jamesvandamme7786
Жыл бұрын
If you have a battery that can run during a blackout you're golden.
@TedToal_TedToal
Жыл бұрын
@@mitchrothermel8157 The system voltage isn’t going to get too high, everything is regulated to keep the voltage constant. It is, indeed a challenge to scale up to full green energy from none in as short of time as possible. And more of a challenge when the green energy consists of solar and wind, which are both intermittent. Storage is needed like crazy, storage in terms of batteries at power plants and batteries on peoples homes, and other kinds of storage too. It’s a huge undertaking we have before us, but it’s proceeding and the changes happening.
@niclasvestman
Жыл бұрын
Excellent comment! 👍
@gregquinn6827
Жыл бұрын
After a while they'll put everyone on NEM3 because "it's a temporary emergency measure", which somehow never ends.
@vibs1614
Жыл бұрын
This change represents a small return to reality. Residential solar was and is probably the most inefficient and costly way to produce power. Its mainly a way to transfer wealth from the poor rate payer or apartment dweller to subsidize the wealthy homeowners. They get a tax refund funded on the backs of those who cannot afford a system and a rebate from the utility which is paid for by the other rate payers impoverishing them even more. Then the rich escape any real costs for power and any contribution to grid maintenance. To make things even worse the power produced occurs at the least useful time of day and simple disappears. The only real change here is the utility pays wholesale for the power which is very reasonable.
@Clamdine
Жыл бұрын
Correction: NEM 1.0 was a 1 to 1 (you put 1kWh on the grid you got 1kWh back and there were no fees. NEM 2.0 is not 1 to 1. Instead you are credited and pay based upon current price (TOU). So the majority of surplus power is generated at a lower credit and then you are generally buying back at a higher rate. Example: you sell 20kWh of surplus to the grid during midday (~$0.22/kWh) that equals $4.40. As the sun sets you start buying power back at a higher rate (~$0.53/kWh) your $4.40 credit buys you 8.3kWh. I believe there are also some bypass/transmission fees that are not waived as well. So you actually get even less power back with your credit. For most people, this was still a great deal. For me personally solar on NEM 2.0 with TOU has saved me thousands a year. With NEM 3.0 a lot of people will need to also get a battery and do Self Generation in order to make installing solar worth while. It’s been a while since I looked at NEM3.0, but last time I looked at what was purposed they also wanted to charge you a fee each year based upon the size of your system which also removed a lot of incentive from installing solar.
@EarthCreature.
Жыл бұрын
It's PG&E extorting solar users, flatly saying
@reid1boys
Жыл бұрын
thats not true, not where I live. Nem 2.0 was a 1 to 1 credit but they charged you an interconnect fee and a couple other fees you could not bypass, but it absolutely was a 1 for 1 credit.
@anthonyballog8026
Жыл бұрын
Things are changing fast. In 2018 solar became the cheapest generation. Somewhere near the end of last year solar + battery is the cheapest. They want you to have battery and need it for their grid because it will take time for them to install all they need. Thank you for your updates and keep up the good work.
@jimk8520
Жыл бұрын
This isn’t bad, it’s motivation for the solar community to get more batteries and become fully self sufficient from the grid. I can even see block battery power sharing happening at some point. There will be a net metering 4 agreement quite quickly once no one wants to give the grid their excess power at negligent rates.
@qa1e2r4
Жыл бұрын
you mean that they will be buying your production for 1/3 of its value and sell it back to you for the extra 2/3? While laughing in your face. Capitalism rocks!
@RWBHere
Жыл бұрын
It sounds good, until you start to see that your government will be losing tax revenue. So they'll do the same as some others are doing already; they'll start adding taxes to your generated electricity, because they will deem it as being a profitable venture.
@jimk8520
Жыл бұрын
@@RWBHere They can’t tax what they can’t prove. If one is completely disconnected and self sufficient, they would have to break actual rights to come on the property to install said monitoring equipment. Then, they would have to pass laws dictating it a crime to damage or vandalize government property installed on your personal property without your consent. What you propose wouldn’t be quite so easy in most states.
@travcollier
Жыл бұрын
That is the point, and yes, it does make sense. The idea is to make load shifting with a battery worth while for people. BTW: I'm in Florida and have 1 for 1 net metering. A battery is just a straight up extra expense, but since I want to have a backup and be able for the solar to keep generating when the grid is down, we went ahead and got it. I could up-size the battery a bit and do load shifting, but it would do nothing for me other than put cycles on the batteries.
@jimk8520
Жыл бұрын
@@travcollier Some thoughts to ponder from a nerd. I’ve read (in many places) that when lithium is deployed as pure backup and otherwise doesn’t cycle, it’s best to store them at a 60% charge. I can’t say that is true with personal experience. Just an FYI.
@waterflysnow9165
Жыл бұрын
Solar panels are overpriced, and the payments are just like replacing the electricity bill for 24 years then after that you have to replace them because they don't last forever, and then you have to start all over again.
@TonytheTaiwaneseTurtle
Жыл бұрын
As a energy transition researcher I understand the rationale of valuing feed-in solar differently at different time of day. That said, I think that avoid cost calculation needs to be transparent and make clear to stakeholders. People should also be able to sell solar energy to their neighbors or community choice aggregators if the utility is not offereing an appealing price.
@Kriss_L
Жыл бұрын
But then you are competing with the government granted monopoly to provide electricity.
@johndoh5182
Жыл бұрын
As has been talked about multiple times, the ideal NOW is to store the power you aren't using and NOT release at peak time for solar generation. If CA is to expand its solar farms in the next few years and I believe that's the plan then commercial power generators will be putting out plenty of power during peak times for solar generation. These companies have to be profitable and if you have an overabundance of power on the grid at that time, then whoever manages the grid in CA, similar to ERCOT in Texas, they have to tell generators to cut back on what they put on the grid. Since solar is generating the most during those peak hours THEY are the ones being told to cut back. Well, that's a good chunk of their profit RIGHT THERE. So, you have a conflict in CA between the power generators who have to make profits to exist and the homeowners. This isn't some catastrophe for solar in CA. The fact they are allowing current solar home owners to be grandfathered is a good deal. For new home installers, they need a power pack, and it doesn't HAVE to be Tesla. Don't be so reactionary. Do the research on the topic and explain it without the dire titles on the videos. Immediate thumbs down dude.
@protonmaster76
Жыл бұрын
Well said in all points. Self consuming the solar power is what is best for the network. And energy storage does not need to be a battery, much of domestic energy goes to heating, so heat hot water for use in showers or space heating.
@ccibinel
Жыл бұрын
Lol more rational analysis in youtube comments than the video... Dont you know utilities have infinite free storage obviously and they are ripping off consumers not giving them 100% net metering for nothing. Turning peaker plants off and on is dirty. PS: I'm in BC and we previously had virtually 100% hydro power. Growth of wind and solar has brought more natural gas and "biomass" and hydro is now below 90%. The greener solution would have been staying full hydro because we have the geography and once built its very clean.
@tomsummers1137
Жыл бұрын
Right on, Ricky! The only thing I would add, is that aside from their monopolistic practices, ownership of the grid, and ownership of CPUC, SDGE is most definitely not a monopoly in terms of supplying energy to us here in Southern California. San Diego Community Power supplies RE to 800,000 account holders in SD County. Please take note of us and this. Maybe even consider doing a video about us. We are a big deal. Second biggest CCA in California. Let’s talk about it.
@claudiaroy9455
Жыл бұрын
Let’s chat Tom would be good to see you again! Write us an email!
@readypetequalmers7360
Жыл бұрын
Utilities are a government regulated field, so I wonder is it the government regulators setting the prices or simply allowing them?
@reid1boys
Жыл бұрын
and you get to CHOSE who you buy your electricity through?
@tomsummers1137
Жыл бұрын
@@reid1boys and you have access to Google?
@adamkral8110
Жыл бұрын
Hahahaha! Wow! Look at your bill! SDG&E charges for “delivery” of power from the new SDCP. The monopoly everyone feels is the distribution network. Generation is only 30% of the bill, and btw the 60% delivery charge is not a variable rate. The off-peak and super-off-peak TOU “discount” rates don’t affect SDG&E’s delivery charge one bit.
@daneflanigan
Жыл бұрын
Great info, love your channel. The NEM 3.0 is for investor utility owned. It is for 3 utilities in the entire state not all of California. My question is why does San Diego have the highest utility rates in the country?
@TwoBitDaVinci
Жыл бұрын
Good clarification I’m going to dig into this more
@elaineinmaine7971
Жыл бұрын
Best advice is to pack up your things & Leave California!
@msimon6808
Жыл бұрын
Treating all energy producers the same is the only fair way.
@toneyeye
Жыл бұрын
I saw this coming so I got my solar roof done with two powerwalls. I am in Florida and I was already hearing whispers of the utlities buying politicians to help them pull off a similar stunt here. I reduced my solar installation to just the sloped roof on the main house and deferred solar on the flat roof over my utility room and car port. The utilities got their wish and starting at some point this year there is a minmum $30 per month for all interconnections regardless of how much solar you export to the grid. One part that makes it a little more palatable is that I am now on a time-of-use billing and I export at peak rates and use the grid at the super off-peak time only. The powerwal fills in the usage in between.
@antronx7
Жыл бұрын
You can select TOU rate plan with solar? That's great if you have electric cars.
@reid1boys
Жыл бұрын
They did pull it off in Florida.... you were just lucky that Desantis vetoed it. Dont worry, they will be ack to try again next year.
@nicnordic6143
Жыл бұрын
Net metering does not work for mature solar markets. Check how Germany started the solar trend with high subsidies in the 90s with at least 50 ct/kWh. Now in 2022 we are down to 8 ct for homeowners. We have 60 GW installed PV capacity - which is about 50-60 nuclear reactors. The new CAL law gives more for battery+solar and low income. In addition you can make money by selling power at peak times. If you dont want to crash the system (elecricity prices were 30 ct/kWh for consumers before Ukraine, now 40-45) you have to adapt....
@antronx7
Жыл бұрын
Germany has 3kWh/kWp solar resource or 12.5% capacity factor. That means that 60GW of solar in Germany generates same amount of energy as 8GW of nuclear or just 5 of EPR 1600MW reactors.
@dakota4766
Жыл бұрын
I am not convinced this will be the worst thing in the world. California has a ton of solar and giving people a incentive to put that power out when it’s needed is maybe a good idea.
@hbarudi
Жыл бұрын
It is probably due to the "duck" curve and that the electric grid cannot be a battery. With every solar installation it is a good idea to have your own battery... Tesla battery is expensive but there should be competition in this area that can lower your battery cost.
@TwoBitDaVinci
Жыл бұрын
batteries are the limiting factor here indeed.
@IMRROcom
Жыл бұрын
Time to use your power for yourself, I would no longer put my power onto the grid, Pump it into a battery bank, run a A/C or Heater, Heat my water, put it into my car, run the pump on my pool etc. My power, I keep it for me only.
@0grounded
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for looking out for the consumer. I have Solar and am pleased with it. I’m right on the boarder of the true-up. I’m looking in to adding one more panel that would max my system or have to replace my electrical panel. Do you think it’s worth it? Also I’m retired (just making the meet) and haven’t had to pay income tax for several years now. I don’t get any tax credit. It does lower my monthly utility bill but I am on the hook for the full price of the system. I’m not the only one in this boat.
@simon359
Жыл бұрын
For me, I just went off grid, knowing that the power companies aren’t going to pay you anything, and the hassle of all the regulations and permits, made the decision easy. Plus when you bring in the fact that when the grid goes down, your solar goes down too, just another reason to go off grid! Just DIY.
@TwoBitDaVinci
Жыл бұрын
Amazing, any issues running out in winter or anything?
@simon359
Жыл бұрын
@@TwoBitDaVinci I am in the Pacific Northwest. I have 6.5 kW of PV. About 14 kW of battery and a 5000 kW inverter. All my gear is Victron, except the batteries which are battleborn. I went with these batteries because at the time they were doing stacked batteries. In the winter time, I just run off the grid during the day and use the grid at night. If there’s a major power outage, I have a gas generator. It was cheaper than trying to build 20 kW of solar and doubling my battery storage. 🖖
@reid1boys
Жыл бұрын
@@simon359 exactly... maybe you can go off grid. Hey Ricky, try to go off grid in your house and see how far you get.
@_morgoth_
Жыл бұрын
Battery storage is the way to go for sure. Instead of going with powerwalls, look into building your own storage with server rack LiFePo4 batteries. They'll last longer anyways.
@jamesvandamme7786
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if much cheaper (if heavier or bulkier) batteries will come along soon.
@elisasoto1531
Жыл бұрын
@@jamesvandamme7786 Thankfully there are alternatives to Powerwall. Solar Surge has some good breakdowns between different brands that are available here in the US.
@jes2731
Жыл бұрын
Here in Nevada (NV), you cannot install a solar system that exceeds 95% of your electrical consumpsion. You CANNOT push unused solar back into the grid, period!!! ...and if the grid goes down, you CANNOT stay up on your solar, you go down too!!!
@BradGryphonn
Жыл бұрын
I saw the rise in solar usage here in Australia over the past forty-odd years. In the beginning, all solar systems fed a battery bank to supply 12 volts and an AC inverter. When I saw the push for solar setups to feed back into the grid 'and get paid for it', I thought that at some point in the future, power companies would find a way to reduce the price they pay, and eventually try to charge people to feed back into the grid. It's happening now here. The reduction in rebates. If I was to install solar power into a home, I would also install a battery system for overnight use.
@kenjohnson6101
Жыл бұрын
What is the economic rationale for subsidized residential PV? There is clear justification for high subsidies to PV technology that is still a small market if there is potential for significant cost reduction and market growth with economies of scale. (Case in point: Germany's Feed-In-Tariff program from twenty years ago.) But does residential solar have the potential to become cost-competitive, or does it have advantages that outweigh its high cost? Lazard's LCOE analysis shows the following cost comparison for unsubsidized solar: Solar PV - Rooftop Residential: $0.147 to $0.221 per kWh Solar PV - Commercial & Industrial, Community: $0.059 to $0.180 per kWh Solar PV - Utility Scale: $0.028 to $0.041 per kWh There is a lot of legislative/regulatory support in CA for residential and community solar, but nothing to facilitate ratepayer and community equity in utility-scale solar or wind (especially for ratepayers for whom residential or community solar is not an option). Is regulatory policy steering ratepayers and communities into the most expensive, exclusive, and least commercially lucrative renewable technology options? I would like to see a clear economic analysis and justification for residential PV subsidization.
@elmer6123
Жыл бұрын
I live in Illinois and smoke from California fires reduces solar radiation level here by10-20%, cutting into the energy we could get from our solar PV system.
@carljones4856
Жыл бұрын
From FL and what see here in IL is grey sky's. Never knew why.
@YeeLeeHaw
Жыл бұрын
Not only that, you'll get their smog as well, and as that wasn't enough, you'll get the smug from all the high paid Cali EV owners. The state is just a massive problem now.
@TwoBitDaVinci
Жыл бұрын
@@YeeLeeHaw The state is one of the cornerstone centers of innovation, home of countless inventions breakthroughs etc... amazing colleges, research universities, home to the best weather and tons of other perks. is it percect heck no! haha
@lengould9262
Жыл бұрын
You'll need a reliable reference for that whopper!
@YeeLeeHaw
Жыл бұрын
@@TwoBitDaVinci It lives on old merits.
@stuartburns8657
Жыл бұрын
Similar thing happened in the UK. Original FIT scheme (feed in tariff) paid for both GENERATION of pv energy, and EXPORT. I think the payment rates followed inflation for 20 years etc. Then scheme was killed, and solar sales plummeted. Now you typically get (if lucky) 1/8th of the unit price back in export payments.
@spooderdoggy
Жыл бұрын
There is a hidden reason for why the authorities and the power producers are doing this, namely solar is actually more expensive than presented. See, total costs over the lifetime of solar must include recycling of the panel after they are spent. Few are talking about this and sadly much of the spent solar panels were being dumped in Africa by Europe. Of course such actions cannot continue on forever and money must be recouped to recycle the panels. Thus, authorities wanted to start to reduce the purchase price of electricity for home solar producers. The funds raised will be used to get a hold of recycling costs for these panels. Look, the promoters of solar knew this all along. But, they wanted, for many so-called environmental reasons, to push solar on the masses. This is sort of like a car manufacturer promoting the virtues of a particular car model, knowing beforehand it has design issues, issues that take a long time to manifest, but come out years after the fact and just kinda brush past the issues without saying why. The solar promotion pushed for many years by do-gooder eviromental types was the worst kind of bait and switch scheme of them all.🤔🇺🇸
@stuartburns8657
Жыл бұрын
@@spooderdoggy Very interesting, and typical of ourselves as a species really. Anything should be considered cradle to grave these days, and by grave preferably not a landfill
@OGParzoval
Жыл бұрын
This is happening everywhere. They cant stand the idea of people making money from rooftop solar. These companies are not passing wind and solar savings to customers they’re passing the money to shareholders.
@TheAnticorporatist
Жыл бұрын
Gotta get a PowerWall; that’ll let you get paid something like $2/kwh during peak times and run off of your battery the rest of the time.
@redmatrix
Жыл бұрын
This just proves that we need to get out from under the power companies' thumb(s) even more.
@YourCapyFrenBigly_3DPipes1999
Жыл бұрын
Damn right. The fight to break the back of the corporate totalitarian dictatorship continues.
@Kriss_L
Жыл бұрын
Well, it's a government approved monopoly, just like all the utilities. Good luck getting free from the state.
@jurrewolters9833
Жыл бұрын
The main goal of the 1 to 1 refund agreement is to make it interesting to get solar panels. However at some point too many houses put solar energy on the grid pushing the grid to its limits. By putting this new rule in place it creates a market for startups to look for energy storage.
@bryanwhitton1784
Жыл бұрын
You are right that self consumption and local storage is the way to go but be careful, the state is also making a lot of "safety" requirements when you install batteries for access, adding doors to the garage in some cases, heat sensors, and sprinkler systems. Because water is what you want to throw on a lithium fire. The batteries will have to be installed outdoors and now environmental issues come in to play.. Make sure your home weather isn't too cold or too hot.
@raypalmer7733
Жыл бұрын
A Lithium fire will not be affected by water except it will make the fire whole lot worse as it creates gases which will make the fire even more worse.
@bryanwhitton1784
Жыл бұрын
@@raypalmer7733 Exactly, and yet depending on the jurisdiction that is exactly what they want to have done. Perhaps the thinking is at least the house fire will be more constrained. I am putting my batteries outside and they have heaters in them to help keep the internal temps acceptable. Our coldest temperatures are in the mid to upper 20's so we should be OK.
@LL-hr3bm
Жыл бұрын
We have a similar situation in Germany for many years, with high retail rates and a low feed-in tariff. Still, Germany is one of the largest solar markets in the world, and even with the current regulations there are not enough electricians to install the extremely high demand for PV systems. Why? Well, for one, Germany is also the biggest battery storage markets in the world. But batteries are expensive. The other/additional solution are Home Energy Management Systems (HEMS). These enable PV self-consumption optimization, so shifting demand to times when the PV system is generating electricity to avoid the high retail rate. HEMS also enable use-cases like vehicle-to-home, so using your EV battery as a replacement for the battery storage. Please make a video on this topic, as I assume this will become a key solution in California too! Key players in Germany in this regard are for example Kiwigrid, gridX and SMA. Please reach out to me, if you need more information, I recently wrote a thesis on this topic, comparing Germany and California.
@GARYKRIVOKAPICH
Жыл бұрын
It's not SGE causing the problem. The price of solar coming onto the grid is 2 - 3 cents per kwh, so why should they pay over 20 cents per kwh? I am a utility manager who purchases over $20 Million in energy annually. The new big solar plants are producing solar really cheap 2-3 cents per kwh. The 30MW plant south of Tucson is producing at this low rate. It might be better to go TOU with only batteries and just buy this cheap power off the grid. There has been an actual excess of solar power produced during the day, this is why peak has shifted to 4pm. It is convenient for people to beat up the utilities buy they are highly regulated. And no CA is not the first with this policy but is actually lagging behind other states on cutting the solar subsidy that no longer makes sense.
@philliprobinson7724
Жыл бұрын
Hi. Informative video, thanks. Here in N.Z. we have the same problem, a heavily discounted buy-up rate for excess solar generation. I'm not overburdened with facts on this issue, but even if we could all generate and store enough kilowatts to keep the lights on without a grid, we'd still need a grid anyway as a back-up during overcast weather, and to supply the colder and cloudier States. The grid would then have close to zero power running through it in the sunny States, but would still need constant maintenance and upgrades. The only way to afford this with no income is by nationalizing it into a government department, like the army, navy, and airforce. This is socialist State capitalism, or communism. This is not good politically, but as we found during the 2008 banking crisis some businesses are too important to allow them to fail. After reviewing the other comments, it's possible recharging a second car battery would be a useful solution for all parties. It would give solar system owners full benefit, and it wouldn't cut down use of the grid so much that it had to be nationalized. I'd welcome any advice from others. Cheers, P.R.
@thirdnormalform
Жыл бұрын
Appreciate the video! My state did the same thing a few years ago. Battery storage is a must.
@geoffschulz
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information, very informative! I live an hour north of you in the OC, so this will apply directly to me. BTW: When you mention power walls, don't forget to express the limited life of a battery pack, usually less than 10 years. So, if your solar system is expected to last 20 years, you will need to buy the battery system at least twice in that time.
@cabracove
Жыл бұрын
Powerwalls are warrantied to operate at least 70% minimum after ten years.
@samuelwilliams7331
Жыл бұрын
You could also get LiFePo4 batteries. Tesla will eventually switch to this chemistry for storage and it has double to triple the life.
@FutureSystem738
Жыл бұрын
Here in Australia we now get roughly only about 1/5 the cost of buying energy for excess power that we export. It’s inevitable, and yes it sucks, but if you can lock in a higher export price, just do it. It’s a no brainer. However the low feed in tariff here has NOT killed solar, far from it. Solar installations are going gangbusters.
@silverfeathered1
Жыл бұрын
I've said this years ago... Selling the power company electricity at a 1 for 1 margin is a recipe for bad news. They literally have zero incentive to maintain a system that nets them no gains. You're poking a very powerful bear. The way I understood it, they were buying your surplus power at a loss if they buy it at the same rate they would charge for it but got kickbacks from the state in various forms to offset it. Essentially, buying your surplus power for slightly less than you'd buy it from them. (You're paying those taxes that ultimately end up in their hands). Overall, I see this as a good step. Piss people off to the point they create a new solution. Neighborhood power grids, unified independent power storage, more pressure on battery technology innovations, lower cost of equipment and installation. De- monopolize the power companies. The solar industry has gotten too comfortable in the last 10 years. We need the next big thing or else risk a total collapse of the industry.
@danielhammond2226
Жыл бұрын
Dude, love your channel! I am in Texas and strange chances like this was happening during my renewal period, they did away with credits like we use to get and stack up and save to use thru the year. My system is over a 19KW system and I burn more power during summer and save way more power during winter and now this system doesn't work. I have bills like $90 average with new power company Champion Energy that buys back my power back at .10 market value they said. (which is nothing its like i am given them free power) My system was build at 110% over my needs for the year. Well, I dropped that company and went back to Green Mountain best that I found for Texas area. flat fee of $10 a month and if I make more power than I use then that wipes out my bill for that month and remaining credits is just free power to Green Mountain. I am ok with this since I am back to $10 power bill verses $90 and that was going up with the other company. The energy company you choose matters fellas! My 2 cents, don't do solar, we are at the mercy of the political policy makers and another can can make us start paying power power again along with solar panels. It maybe ok now but it looks grin and unless you get a battery wall its a no go for new clients wanting to do solar. Battery walls are expensive, I would need min3 maybe four that would cost another $38k or more. This is something you would need to do every 10 years cause batteries don't last forever guys!
@RandomNamedOne
Жыл бұрын
Wrapped up solar a few weeks ago, and waiting on PTO. I went with GAF Solar shingles. Looks pretty good. The inverter is tucked away in the garage and you can not tell there's solar at all. It was a chore to get it all lined up in the past ten months. SDGE and the RMA process for older main panels was tasking, but it got done.
@yourhandlehere1
Жыл бұрын
I invented solar shingles, including the name, many years ago in my head while working on a roof with an old solar water system on it. Drew up plans for how they would work and be installed, much like normal shingles. You just decide how many you need to get the power you want. Then I forgot about it. A few years ago I hear about Elon's version, start looking around...dammit! Gotta remember to get patents! Damn waiters peeking at my napkins!
@cghizzoni
Жыл бұрын
Honestly I think the 3rd option is just don't go solar. I'm not in California, though. Maybe they're making you. I love it, though. Progressive forward thinking and corporations need to pay their fair share but then they make sure that the corporations get to stuff their pockets at your expense. It's the exact same energy they've been delivering, except you're the ones producing it now. Why shouldn't you get paid?
@sbhajian
Жыл бұрын
So people should buy a Nissan leaf and hook it up to their home for power at night. It costs much less than a Tesla power bank.
@thomaskiger6960
Жыл бұрын
It's supply and demand. All states that offer solar will adopt this. There will be too much power generated during mid day for the grid to use there, for it is not worth much they can't afford to pay more than the electricity can be sold for and there is no cost effective way to store it. Plus there has been issues with the power being bought for home solar systems having harmonic frequency on it from malfunctioning equipment causing issue with the grids switch gear and electronic breakers. In Texas some providers are being forced to buy electricity buy government mandate.
@TheCynicalOptimist88
Жыл бұрын
How are we supposed to go carbon neutral with laws like this in place ... We need to be moving forwards not being pushed back by greed... I'm sure they are still getting money from the solar customers as they on average still use more than they produce ... This just unincentivises people that can't afford larger systems the main upside to even get a smaller system was that it helped supplement daily usage through the whole day ... The irony that California is one state that has been and will be hit by the effects of climate change far more severely than most places in North America... I'm not California but felt compelled to comment ... The monetary ramifications are drastic... . someone should start a petion I bet you would get a significant amount of people to sign it and hopefully make a change ...
@BlondieSuperdog
Жыл бұрын
You are suggesting Californians might stop buying solar because utilities don't want to buy their power.. the utilities already have enough; there is no point to paying for solar when it is produced at peak periods that are already in excess of demand - ie during hot sunny days. This will only mean that new solar will need to be self justified for the home owner. They can elect to install batteries and power their own needs. Many will, other may not. Adding battery storage for home solar will increase the cost to justify a solar system; but Southern California solar is often cost justified with storage.
@johninedmond1991
Жыл бұрын
You just said more solar permits have been issued in the last month then ever before in California. How can that kill solar? Please don't use exaggerated clickbait titles. People buy solar to save on their energy bills not to open a solar energy store for the utility company. Many buy solar because the power grid is less reliable and when it fails they want backup. All concerned voting citizens should lobby for a change in these laws but this will not kill solar.
@Krunch2020
Жыл бұрын
It seems everyone wants to use the grid for free. Now that the “ducks back” is real what is the grid supposed to do with the excess solar power at noon? This will cost billions for batteries and other power saving schemes. Who will pay? Also people who buy solar systems leave the poor to pay for the grid. Buying batteries and returning power to the grid in the evening is still a great option to arbitrage prices.
@opal177
Жыл бұрын
This is what happens when private companies run the base requirements. Energy, water and health care should be run by government and on the base of non profit. Any other arrangement will always hold us hostage, at the mercy of multi companies.
@richfarfugnuven6308
Жыл бұрын
When you think politicians are not crooked and in the pocket of big business(such as PG&E, SDG&E), rewatch this video...
@cjg2877
Жыл бұрын
This Green energy requirement is a raw deal. So sick of going willingly and they just offset any savings with regulation and raising gas prices. Leaving Cali what a joke...
@Kenneth-ts7bp
Жыл бұрын
Going solar was never a smart concept. It's good for rural areas off grid and that's about it. Don't make honest people pay for your charity.
@aceroadholder2185
Жыл бұрын
If I run an electric generating company why should I pay a homeowner more for electricity that I can buy elsewhere at a lower price? You wouldn't would you?
@larrykostopulos1332
Жыл бұрын
Here in Australia they did this a few years ago. Costs you 30 cents per kWh and you get back 6.5 cents per kWh.
@farmerbob728
Жыл бұрын
It's funny how this mega company can do this. And people in government let it..Never trust government to have your best interests in mind.
@thomaswattsjr.7
Жыл бұрын
It's not about the environment and it's not about energy independence it is about submission, control and corruption!
@Baasicstuff
Жыл бұрын
Solar does not make sense in many states
@fredacuneo5180
Жыл бұрын
I've been looking at several solar power systems/programs, and they seem to be a scam on one level or another. I want it to work, but the math never adds up. Part of it is the very tall trees to the South of my house that negate any solar benefit except for 4 months during the summer. It's a lot of headache and almost no financial benefit. My friend is a roofer too. He tells me how the huge costs of removing/re-installing all of the solar panels when they replace the roof makes it even more expensive to have solar.
@vica153
Жыл бұрын
NEM3 Solar, brought to you by lobbyists for battery manufacturers.
@stephaniehampton3525
Жыл бұрын
I bet Northern California separates from the south eventually!!
@doyline45
Жыл бұрын
Why are people leaving CA?
@TwoBitDaVinci
Жыл бұрын
they aren't we have a major housing shortage
@drewstead316
Жыл бұрын
I too live in San Diego, I've spent twenty years trying to find a way to save a buck in America's Most Expensive City.... Considering even the cheapest condo is 250 to $300,000, the Sienna minivan hybrid was much cheaper, a camping stove, propane powered shower, 12V camping stove and mini fridge is less than $1000. Power tool companies make an 1800W power station powered by 4 tool batteries, the power station is like $700 and the batteries are $60-$300 depending on how much juice you might need to run
@YourCapyFrenBigly_3DPipes1999
Жыл бұрын
Vista here. The corruption and rot of both parties is something we live EVERY SINGLE DAY HERE. Sure it's a beautiful area - but it's still screwing us. Home prices out of control. Rent? Over 2K now for an average two bdrm. This is CRIMINAL. We're all just slaves to our corporate overlords here and then they have the gall to wonder why there's 10,000 homeless here. When will we revolt??? People keep voting for the same red-blue filth that keeps breaking it off in all our aS$es. We need to change this and only Leftists want to put the public's rights and public interests FIRST and to break the back of abusive corporate dictatorship. Considering joining me in becoming politically active on the real Left.
@drewstead316
Жыл бұрын
111sq ft of climate-controlled hybrid minivan for about $500 a square foot worth of rolling real estate
@pausesmana5531
Жыл бұрын
They should put taxes on non-solar, not the countrary ! For the planet, not for the money
@hotrodplumber
Жыл бұрын
If "green " energy is so good it would stand on its own. It would not need to be mandated or subsidized.
@Aerogrow
Жыл бұрын
Interesting.... Been debating just having a second panel that I own for solar and just use "grid" like a switchable generator input.
@wickedbird1538
Жыл бұрын
7:25😊😊Your recommendations make perfect sense.
@deetorrance3659
Жыл бұрын
Thankfully, we installed Solar a few years ago.
@markrussell2233
Жыл бұрын
All easier said than done! The return is negligible in a lot of places
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