I love how Ian corrects himself after accidentally implying that the SA80 might have been successful at anything
@wierdalien1
2 жыл бұрын
Well excuse him
@veleriphon
2 жыл бұрын
It did get a production contract. lol
@Matt_The_Hugenot
2 жыл бұрын
Nothing wrong with it in A2 configuration, even better now in A3.
@shinewherethouwillandthouh7455
2 жыл бұрын
This is a cope response
@ianolson19
2 жыл бұрын
@@Cheshire9k to be fair if I remember correctly, Enfield was basically told it didn't matter if it was successful or not theybwere getting axed. I'm sure if their livelihoods had actually depended on it they would have churned out a much hetter performing rifle. Granted I may be quoting fudd lore but I won't know till someone corrects me.
@rilesmattix5217
2 жыл бұрын
"Let's just take the furniture, and PUSH IT somewhere else!"
@r.9158
2 жыл бұрын
YESSSSSSS!!!
@jordanandrew2786
2 жыл бұрын
I like how it's probably as long if not longer than an ak in a regular configuration.
@oktayyildirim2911
2 жыл бұрын
@@jordanandrew2786 Like Ian said, their goal was to lengthen the barrel, not to shorten the rifle.
@IlNamelessKinglI
2 жыл бұрын
@@oktayyildirim2911 Yeah but the sights stayed shit and the already crappy trigger got even worse. Now you got a longer barrel that makes long range a tad easier on paper but actually squezing those shots got more akward and harder due to the sights, not being able to use optics and shittier trigger and ofc the bullpup configuration. You also lost any ability to reload fast or use 30+ mags so you lost 10 rds. This rifle is garbage for the simple fact that a standard rifle is hard to bullpup already imagine one that was designed in 47 and prior. Want a bullpup? Make one from the ground up. And even then most are bad.
@oktayyildirim2911
2 жыл бұрын
@@IlNamelessKinglI Who are you talking to? All I said was that their goal was to lengthen the barrel.
@sangomasmith
2 жыл бұрын
Oh man, I remember hearing about the concept of bullpups in high school and immediately doodling a bullpup AK-47. There's something wild about knowing that actual engineers had the same idea...
@StarkRaven59
2 жыл бұрын
The concept has seen rather widespread development, just not quite centralized into an efficient form.
@WingMaster562
2 жыл бұрын
And then theres the groza
@josephd.5524
2 жыл бұрын
Actual engineers were the people who turned doodling into a job.
@BobPapadopoulos
2 жыл бұрын
If "actual engineers" have a brilliant idea that is on par with a high schooler who only recently heard of the concept, let's keep the quotation marks around "actual engineers".
@josephd.5524
2 жыл бұрын
@@BobPapadopoulos You've never actually hung around engineers before, have you.
@miketeeveedub5779
2 жыл бұрын
It's truly remarkable how HK Produkt evolved from this kludged prototype to the elegant and slick VHS family of firearms today. They may not have had the technical knowledge to begin with, but boy, they sure caught up and eclipsed most of the bullpup market today!
@djl5634
2 жыл бұрын
Yes the xd Springfield/ Croatian HS pistol is ultimately reliable. My brother has one it's accurate. Good trigger. Ands it's a 1st gen. Runs like a tank.
@Seb-Storm
2 жыл бұрын
*hs not hk
@djl5634
2 жыл бұрын
With they made a modern day version of this ak in 6.5grendel.
@cropathfinder
Жыл бұрын
i mean thats how croteam made serious sam in a nutshell
@Mio_Ramirez
2 жыл бұрын
The KA-74 was real all this time, what a weird shape it has
@Fischbroetchen2k
2 жыл бұрын
You´re referencing to DayZ here? :D
@PolishCaptainC4
2 жыл бұрын
@@Fischbroetchen2k thats what i thought lmao
@termosica666
2 жыл бұрын
Karlovac license plates are KA also.
@EarthyTeddy
2 жыл бұрын
DAYZ REFERENCE?!!???!
@serg123ish
Жыл бұрын
XD
@AllAboutSurvival
2 жыл бұрын
I love these videos and I hope to see more of these prototypes. I’m excited to learn more about this
@robmicheal511
2 жыл бұрын
Why though? This looks to be about the same length as a normal ak. So all the problems with bullpup without the only benefit.
@skyguard155
2 жыл бұрын
@@robmicheal511 The point was to make the *barrel longer* without making the whole gun longer than the original.
@jukkatalari3896
2 жыл бұрын
@@robmicheal511 The barrel is way longer then on standard AK: standard AK barrel is 16", the barrel in that thing is 23.6" - a whopping 7,6" longer! :D As Ian says on the vid, the goal was to get better accuracy - but longer barrel aids accuracy only by lenghtening the sight radius, thereby lessening the shooter error; with optical sights you usually gets better accuracy with shorter barrel as it is stiffer, less barrel whip (if both barrels are the same thickness)
@robmicheal511
2 жыл бұрын
@@jukkatalari3896 23 inches?! Ok i didnt hear that part. That is pretty good.
@Kurorahk
2 жыл бұрын
Oh a series on Croatian guns sounds fantastic, yes I'm a sucker for the VHS-2 but history of firearms development in such a clear visual way is always very fun.
@MythicMagus
2 жыл бұрын
Today's episode is an excellent reminder of why this channel is called "Forgotten Weapons".
@claptree3217
2 жыл бұрын
The British had the L85, which had just been successfully, well, just been introduced. Nice!
@napatora
2 жыл бұрын
yeah that gave me a good chuckle lmao
@BoostedPastime
2 жыл бұрын
Hehe
@allangibson8494
2 жыл бұрын
And it is working really well on its third iteration now… (H&K rebuilt all the UK’s stocks).
@ScottKenny1978
2 жыл бұрын
@@allangibson8494 yeah, the only parts in common between the L85A1 and A2 is the two pieces of bent sheet metal that made up the receiver...
@user-njyzcip
2 жыл бұрын
@@allangibson8494 the British should have gotten rid of them already. All this money spent on a gun that kinda works, as long as you're not left handed or expecting to fight urban combat (which kinda is the future of warfare). If even the French can get over this national sentiment and adopt a German rifle, why can't the British do the same? Their rifles are already made by the Germans anyways
@D0pam1n
2 жыл бұрын
You see a lot of homemade/"Khyber pass" AK bullpup conversions in combat footage since the start of the Syrian civil war. They seem to work just fine and there's a demand, I wonder why bullpup AKs didn't catch on before in a more official way. Like a version or kit from Kalashnikov itself - especially in the 90s.
@hoonterofhoonters6588
2 жыл бұрын
I've seen photographs of bullpup AKs with custom paint jobs in the Middle east. Their camos don't match their environment, but I respect the passion behind making a customized gun in a warzone.
@30cal23
2 жыл бұрын
it did the Groza series and of course the bullpup version of the AEK971 (i think its that) groza didnt really take off unless it was in 9x39 WP for good surpressed shots
@metamorphicorder
2 жыл бұрын
Because you cant use any parts that are interchangeable between the two platforms without even minor modification to them. This makes it no more cost effective than just building a better gun from scratch AND it doesnt offer anything that either the ak doesnt or that a bullpup should other than a longer barrel in the same OAL for the gun. And thats not even really what happens here because while the barrel is longer, so is the whole flipping gun. Bullpups almost always are designed to all for a new firearm that shoots the same round or one similarly powered one, that keeps the same barrel length or even a longer one but reduces the over all length of the weapon or keeps a similar OAL for a longer barrel. This allows for in the latter case a potentially more powerful and accurate weapon that uses the same ammo your force is already invested in and familiar with, or a special use platform that uses the same ammo but is shorter without sacrificing the power and accuracy for use in confined spaces and other cases where weapon size is important. This is just icky. I mean sure its cool. But where would it be used by a fighting force? Its not even as cool as the olympic arms ultralight ar designs to get around the awb.
@bruceinoz8002
2 жыл бұрын
@@smorrow There was also that odd little Valmet / Sako one back in the late 1970's. Also, the "prototype" / design study of a "bullpupped" L1A1, produced as a "project by an Australian Army officer cadet, again, back in the 1970's. Or the also-Australian-designed Leader M-71s; also later seen made in the USA, after the Oz designer fled there as a Techno-Political refugee.. Until recently, all of them suffered to varying degrees with "issues" regarding shoulder swapping in the field,. Side ejection and reciprocating cocking handles are prime considerations. See also::Gas / fragment handling in the unfortunate event of a ruptured cartridge case. My "table napkin" solution was to cant the magazine about fifteen degrees to one side and place the BOTTOM ejection port beside it, but offset to the other side of the "body".. Shuffle the bolt / carrier, extractor / ejector alignment to suit. Yes, you would have to invert the rifle to do a thorough "clearance", but that is no worse than opening "toilet seats", and / or "shaking out" stray ammo and brass.
@BigWheel.
2 жыл бұрын
"If it ain't broke don't fix it" Is probably the rationale. Aks work fine as is and while there's room for improvement is it really worth completely reconfiguring a rifle just to improve combat effectiveness by a tiny amount? Keep in mind militaries typically like to be conservative, so why should they adopt a different configuration of gun that would require retraining of personel and whatnot. When they could keep using what still works and not rock the boat so to speak. The new US army rifle is basically an AR as far as controls are concerned for that very reason. (I'm talking about how it's reloaded and how you use the safety and whatnot, I can see alot of gun needs REEEEEEing at that statement already so just to be clear im not saying they're the same gun, but they're familiar enough to someone trained to use an AR platform)
@fireballassasin
2 жыл бұрын
The audio is a little peaky and sound quality is unusually low, unlike recent videos. But thank you for that Ian. This feels like a classic Forgotten Weapons video from a few years ago. I appreciate the nostalgia, brings me back :)
@onpsxmember
2 жыл бұрын
I prefer not having that kind of sound. It's easy to fix with freeware like audacity.
@simonc586
2 жыл бұрын
@@onpsxmember bot detected
@Genome320
2 жыл бұрын
@@onpsxmember I guess Ian recorded "too hot" this time. You can't really fix clipping audio after it's already there.
@willehallem
2 жыл бұрын
Keeps happening, I wish he'd just check the gain for the mic before recording.
@rogainegaming6924
2 жыл бұрын
Ian is absolutely horrid about audio engineering and quality. He's also said multiple times in multiple places that he Hates dealing with audio.
@vincent4587
2 жыл бұрын
“Mom, can we have bull pup?” “No, we have bull pup in Hrvatska.”
@ignazachenbach5406
2 жыл бұрын
You know, the only thing that's truly cursed is the handguard (specifically that it has no upper for the gas tube). Otherwise, it's a really neat first attempt by some guys taking their first try at firearms design.
@onii-chandaisuki5710
2 жыл бұрын
The stock is pretty cursed to me. I've seen bullpup AK103s and the stock, on those, is just a flat thing.
@Hanitcal69
2 жыл бұрын
Nah bro the length of pull is incredibly cursed. You’d need your arm to be perfectly straight to fire it shouldered lol
@ignazachenbach5406
2 жыл бұрын
@@Hanitcal69 Or just be a chad with long arms 😎
@Frille512
2 жыл бұрын
@@Hanitcal69 You're probably a dwarf then
@Hanitcal69
2 жыл бұрын
@@Frille512 I’m 5’1” thank you very much I am legally not a dwarf
AK-12 type safety before the AK-12 was even made. Good thing the Croatians ditched that for future designs
@alexanderstordeur9434
2 жыл бұрын
I think it was meant to use a 20 round magazine. Like the Roman AKs, and Hungarian AMD 65.
@loochan325
2 жыл бұрын
The angled grip on a assault rifle is just stupid, not ergonomic and also useless coz' the arm is flexed so of no use for recoil absoption. The angled grip is very nice for target pistol where it can block the hand in line with the barell for less mazle climb, and also for hunting rifles where the arm is more on the back and even more flexed - so flexed that the arm and forearm can almost become one and the recoil can be transfered more straight. On an assault rifle the grip can very well be close to vertical, and for this particular rifle this wey would be no problem for the full lenght AKM magazine.
@marcusborderlands6177
2 жыл бұрын
@@loochan325 lol
@engineer1941
2 жыл бұрын
Posible since Hungary was one of rare arms supliers to Croatia in big quantity, along with Russia and Argentina.
@Momo_Kawashima
2 жыл бұрын
Centurions didn't need 30 round mags, romans only used 20 round mags against the britons
@sentaveliki425
2 жыл бұрын
@@Momo_Kawashima fallout new vegas
@joshuarebennack68
2 жыл бұрын
Those are called "agricultural welds" because if you have ever worked on a farm, that is the welding you do.
@ArtilleryChannel
2 жыл бұрын
Cursed. Gun. Images.
@ryanr1485
2 жыл бұрын
Yep
@LOVEMUFFIN_official
2 жыл бұрын
An AK Jesus reference in a Gun Jesus video? Surely this is either prophecy or blasphemy…
@lairdcummings9092
2 жыл бұрын
#BrandonHerrera #cursedgunimages
@mrkeogh
2 жыл бұрын
Gun. Meme. Review.
@ilocosmetro
2 жыл бұрын
First thing that came to my mind
@madkoala2130
2 жыл бұрын
IAN! I told you not to look around HS arsenal form 90s, now Brandon has Croats on his hit list.
@andrewince8824
2 жыл бұрын
It's interesting to see how different groups try to alter the basic AK (maybe the simplest select fire rifle available) to create a better or improved system. As I think about it, the only obvious negatives of the AK design are the short sight radius and the awkward selector/dust cover. It's otherwise a solid rifle with few improvements to be made. That makes these designs so intriguing.
@000Mazno000
2 жыл бұрын
No consistent way to mount optics and a generally high weight for its size are its real shortcomings in a modern context, in addition to the poor ergonomics as you mentioned with the selector
@admiralxen8944
2 жыл бұрын
Siderail is and always was fine for optics, particularly with RS Regulate type mount. Stamped 1mm AK is not particularly heavy, in fact Afghan era AKS-74 (6.5lbs unloaded, just under 7 loaded) is lighter than just about anything ever issued as a standard service rifle that isn't the M16A1. And ergos of the safety is fixed by the Krebs type finger tab models everyone is using now.
@hailexiao2770
2 жыл бұрын
Depending on your preferences, the lack of a bolt hold open on the gun itself is another big one. The indication that your mag is empty without silly tricks like tracer ammo is worth the miniscule additional chance of bad stuff getting into the action.
@andrewince8824
2 жыл бұрын
@@hailexiao2770 that's a very valid point. That might be the most technically difficult improvement as an alteration would need to take place within the magazine to provide the function. Altering a rifle and getting that into service is much easier than offering a new magazine which doesn't work in the older rifle. I would be interested to see if that would take off in militaries already equipped with AK pattern rifles.
@Lucas12v
2 жыл бұрын
It's clearly a good design that's stood the test of time but in my opinion there's lots of negatives compared to modern rifles.
@sancota1
2 жыл бұрын
Just a minor thing, "C" in the south slavic languages is pronounced like ts (like in cats or tsunami). I think also other slavic languages (that use the latin script) also say it like that but I'm not sure. So Karlovac is pronounced like Karlova-ts
@georgethearle7612
2 жыл бұрын
@Pero Djuric so how do you pronounce Cres?
@random_person8976
2 жыл бұрын
Im from croatia and the “ts” is a really good way to portray how we say c. It really is karlovats instead of karlovak if ur gonna say the name
@FrankDTank-lf4dq
2 жыл бұрын
@Pero Djuric so Karlovak?
@liptojaj
2 жыл бұрын
@Pero Djuric Eh? Not when you're reading them as a Croat would, but for English speaking people C is basically either K or S for us. Whereas they would read TS most closely to our C. He game an example tsumani where the TS is identical to our C phonetically
@liptojaj
2 жыл бұрын
@@georgethearle7612 Ts (as in tsunami) R (a very hard r, english is varied by accent a lot so hard to give an example) E (as in Erik) S (as in sick)
@GRGA4200
2 жыл бұрын
Wow so glad u here in Croatia Bro!!!! Have a good time here man!!!
@terrysmith7751
2 жыл бұрын
Offhand I don't recall seeing very many handmade zero-day models on FW. Ian is great at tracking down trials firearms that are at a more advanced stage of development. I enjoyed seeing this, and I look forward to seeing later developments of the concept.
@Alyeska23
2 жыл бұрын
Really looking forward to seeing Ian take a look at HS Produkt's history. Hope he covers the HS-2000 series pistols along the way.
@LukaRadosavljevic03
2 жыл бұрын
I love fw videos on my country's guns I always learn something new
@TheCro3
2 жыл бұрын
Oh boy more videos of croatian firearms, cant wait. Again, cudoz to you and bravo for calling the homeland war and war for independece the right way
@zz3690
2 жыл бұрын
Only because he is in Croatia. Otherwise they wouldn't let him do the videos at the company. The proper name is War in Croatia.
@TheCro3
2 жыл бұрын
@@zz3690 no. He said right
@zz3690
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheCro3 he did not, he was being courteous.
@TheCro3
2 жыл бұрын
@@zz3690 are you from serbia ??
@zz3690
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheCro3 of course.
@joza3592
2 жыл бұрын
I hope you won't stop at IM metal designs. I'd love to see your opinion on some more renown and successful designs like MACS series, RT-20, PHP and APS-95, among others.
@driver76fan
2 жыл бұрын
Mini-Ero too. I was obsessed with that gun for a short while. An intermediate between Mini and Micro Uzi.
@fredericrike5974
2 жыл бұрын
Ian, many folks today seem to have a "big ick" factor over guns. Some of the periods when mankind made it's biggest leaps were during and because of war needs- in guns we can see much of the evolution of better metals, past what improving steam had, precision machining moved from an art to artifice. And as your series will explore engineers, even good and well educated ones, have ideas that improve through the prototype(s). It will be interesting to watch the Croatian's design maturity and the final products. Yes, please do more on this line or others as you find them! FR
@SuperBdog1
2 жыл бұрын
It’s great that these videos all look like they come out 10 years ago
@ZP1993
2 жыл бұрын
Hope you get to review some more Croatian guns in the future,like APS95, RT20, and more of those SMGs made during the war
@philla0076
2 жыл бұрын
Glad to see you in my town, have a good time here!
@tntmlscrdnv8436
2 жыл бұрын
Finally we know where the bolt go
@carnut015
2 жыл бұрын
Well played!!
@justanothergunnerd8128
2 жыл бұрын
very very cool video that probably would never exist if Ian didn't dig up this rifle. Thank you!
@0JouZ0
2 жыл бұрын
Man, you should come to Zagreb. We'll drink some rakija :D
@AverageJoe4063
2 жыл бұрын
Love bullpup videos and the interesting solutions they come up with! Looking forward to the rest of this series!!!
@thetriode
2 жыл бұрын
An amazing dead end fork in the evolution of the AK. An extremely cool gun that lead to success later on.
@lt.lasereyez8891
2 жыл бұрын
That welding was done really nice for a dust cover
@nots1mple306
2 жыл бұрын
Pleaase do more of Croatian stuff!
@leowulf8116
Жыл бұрын
I'm always impressed how Ian can freely speak a whole essay about a weapon he sees for the first time. Without any notes
@rkadi6540
2 жыл бұрын
A bullpuped AK appear, you know to whom to report guys
@TheJhonny5555
2 жыл бұрын
I am from Croatia, and i didnt have clue about this, thanks alot for sharing this with rest of the world!
@CptManboobs
2 жыл бұрын
The Bullpup AK reminds me a lot of the Flatline from Titanfall/Apex. Bullpups are cool, I don't care if they're impractical, they look cool. "why does the giant robot have a Lion's Face on its chest?"
@proCaylak
2 жыл бұрын
bullpups have that appeal of being compact while keeping the barrel long enough. many of them have been implemented poorly, many others have become legendary.
@b-beale1931
2 жыл бұрын
flatline seems to me to be an advanced version of the malyuk (which comes from the vepr, which in turn is a bulpupped ak74M)
@massivepileup
2 жыл бұрын
Bring back figureheads on war machines!
@harlleygurrola8394
2 жыл бұрын
I am CERTAIN that -if made right, it would Sell
@especiallycontent9616
2 жыл бұрын
Because the gun is literally based off a bullpup design of the ak. It looks similar intentionally
@NorinScreamer
2 жыл бұрын
OMG! i had no idea IM Metal made this! And i am Croatian. Ian, if you are still in Croatia, try to get your hands on RT-20 antimaterial sniper rifle!
@Bacteriophagebs
2 жыл бұрын
"They wanted to increase accuracy..." Slant muzzle brake...long barrel on an AK...bullpup... No firearms experience, you say? I couldn't tell!
@user-njyzcip
2 жыл бұрын
The brake was upside down too 🙃
@thatguybrody4819
2 жыл бұрын
i love how much this video feels like the first time i discovered your channel a few years ago. the grainy audio, the lighting, and the unusual, really forgotten weapon.
@KC-bg1th
2 жыл бұрын
This looks like an AK that time traveled, but it didn't get put back together properly.
@vvr881
2 жыл бұрын
🤣👍...or was beamed up to the Enterprise but molecules got messed up
@klendathusfinest4126
2 жыл бұрын
Truly, the gun ever. Thank you for showing us
@hubertanicusbellschnikel9416
2 жыл бұрын
Still better than the SA80
@botondracsmany304
2 жыл бұрын
The bar is not that high tbh
@redwallreader254
2 жыл бұрын
Old school forgotten weapons audio, what a vibe 🤌
@festol1
2 жыл бұрын
This is a cool forgotten. Mr Ian, could you mention one forgotten conceled carry gun (pistol/revolver) would you consider? A forgotten "glock substitute", you sir may consider.
@majikmesa3786
2 жыл бұрын
This is such a vague question there’s so many options
@Wetcorps
2 жыл бұрын
The best carry gun is the one you have on you, not the one you forgot :D
@festol1
2 жыл бұрын
@@Wetcorps Very well put Wetcorps ;) lol
@festol1
2 жыл бұрын
@@majikmesa3786 Hi. Yes, and such as... ? :)
@majikmesa3786
2 жыл бұрын
@@festol1 Browning Hi Power is the first to come to mind, for a long time that was the ubiquitous double stack 9mm pistol.
@Xerophun
2 жыл бұрын
Brandon Herrera: Does an Ian impression. Ian:
@Dunkopf
2 жыл бұрын
Y'know I never understood rock in mags. If the mag was just a straight shot in it would not only fit perfectly with the grip it would look hella cool too.
@grbdevnull5611
2 жыл бұрын
Cool to see the rough starts of what is now a good company.
@evanquinn6092
2 жыл бұрын
“You had the British using the L85 which had just been successfully… well it was introduced”
@aleksandartokin6914
2 жыл бұрын
It's always nice to see some prototypes of different guns
@Drebin-8427
2 жыл бұрын
I really really wish a *nice* bullpup AK would get mass-produced and get imported to America. This looks like the nicest one I've come across tbh.
@ilocosmetro
2 жыл бұрын
Ukraine's Malyuk would be the dream
@sir0herrbatka
2 жыл бұрын
There wer many bullpup AK around the world, but nothing like that was adopted. Based on this I think that AK is simply poorly suited for bullpup layout.
@Anonymous8421
2 жыл бұрын
@@sir0herrbatka the Ukrainians have actually adopted and use a bullpup 74 in small numbers
@FredrikSkievan
2 жыл бұрын
@@sir0herrbatka The vulcan works pretty well
@sleigh4019
2 жыл бұрын
SMH ...why?
@patrickmuhwheeney6518
2 жыл бұрын
Really excellent, as always...Love to see you be able to shoot it...Thanks for the upload!
@diningroomorthereisnothing
2 жыл бұрын
a wood stock bullpup looks so wrong
@WingMaster562
2 жыл бұрын
Check out the episode about Thorneycroft then try not to get a heart attack. Almost all wood exterior, bullpup and worse, it's British.
@mattfleming86
2 жыл бұрын
The accidental and uninvited Herrera crossover..
@connorchenery977
2 жыл бұрын
The other night me and a coworker were talking about why they never made a bulpup AK. Gun Jesus heard our prayers
@kmieciu4ever
2 жыл бұрын
Ots-14 Groza and Vektor CR21
@eloiseharbeson2483
2 жыл бұрын
I have rocked a Tavor SAR-21 since 2013. Bullpups are to a great extent an answer to a question nobody asked. They have exactly ONE desirable characteristic. They are short. No shorter than an AK folder although you don't have to deploy the buttstock for any range above clearing a room.
@MrGrimsmith
2 жыл бұрын
One thing I noticed there that I salute - the trigger mechanism is on a pull rod assembly. That way it can only deform in one direction (stretch) rather than two as with a push assembly (compression and bucking) so should give a less horrific feel to the trigger if done well. The big chunk of metal in the middle looks like it might cause a chunk of unnecessary friction though. I'm very interested to see the next iteration of the design.
@LongTran-em6hc
2 жыл бұрын
Forgotten Weapons: Cursed AK edition
@stahlhelmturtle9822
2 жыл бұрын
That length of pull is a war crime
@DrygdorDradgvork
2 жыл бұрын
Y'all got any more length of pull?
@isaacfredes1181
2 жыл бұрын
I was just wondering about bullpup aks last week, thanks Ian
@highmoonlookdownawe
2 жыл бұрын
This is cursed, truly. That's being said, I do remember the HK-33 converted to bullpup by Thai military or something, there's even a mk2 variants.
@NM-wd7kx
2 жыл бұрын
It was Thailand, apparently. Unrelated but could you pass the eye bleach?
@samuelleal6149
2 жыл бұрын
if i recall corectly its named type 11
@tangero3462
2 жыл бұрын
I had no idea this existed and now I almost want one
@gamesclips380
Жыл бұрын
"this is in fact the only example of it ever made" thank God its the only one
@genericpersonx333
2 жыл бұрын
The Problem: Nation without major arms factories needs to make military-grade firearms domestically in a hurry. Observations: Nation has access to details on firearm designed specifically to be mass-produced with limited tooling and infrastructure (Kalashnikov rifle) Solution: Let's take that Kalashnikov and make it more complicated because we love bullpups! An unorthodox and arguably not very good solution to the problem, but I have a soft spot for unorthodox engineers, which VHS seems to have an abundance of. Instead of just focusing on the obvious solution, fabricating tooling for Kalashnikovs, they decided to see if they could bring something just a little different to the table and while they failed this time, they clearly didn't let it stop them engineering. If the company can keep that spirit going, I think they have a better chance than many to surpass FN, H&K, and Beretta as Europe's premier arms manufactory. Improbable for sure, but only time will tell.
@coreymerrill3257
2 жыл бұрын
Sweet ! I would love to see more stuff like this. Take that as you will. Bullpups, prototypes, one offs, proof of concepts and mock-ups .
@salvydelacrack4155
2 жыл бұрын
A VHS in Beta!? See what I did there? 😏
@michelguevara151
2 жыл бұрын
the beauty of engineering prototype design, per se, is innovation outside the usual parametres. a pal designed a hubcentre steering setup for motorcycles in the early 90s, he attacked it as an engineer, not a motorcycle designer. this was after bimota and yamaha had allready put hubcentre on the market. every journalist that rode his prototype back to back with the big manufacturer's wares were astonished at how perfectly it performed in comparison. too perfectly, his design removed all geometry change under breaking, a geometry change that all motorcyclists adapt to without thinking. the end result was a couple of journos running wide in corners as the steering angle didn't change to a more agressive one. he had to create a system of 'dial-able fork dive' to give the tightening steering effect under breaking. the bimota and yamaha hubcentres did not eliminate this as they came to the problem via motorcycle design that emulated traditional forks. of course, the ideal that was desired, the elimination of fork dive under breaking had to be reintroduced mechanically for those used to telescopic forks. it was his degree project, he just happened to have a gpz550 with destroyed forks.. as an engineer, I can see where HS were going with this. I can even see a few very minor tweaks that would make this a viable production model.
@sphenodon2016
2 жыл бұрын
I'm still unconvinced that the downsides of a bullpup (for a military rifle, not so much for a civilian shooter) outweigh the upsides. I feel like the only thing holding bullpups back is that many modern militaries are used to an AR-15 style platform, and/or most accessories are designed with an AR-15 in mind. Essentially, if the HK416 (a very hot rifle for EU militaries right now) were available in a bullpup configuration, I suspect that configuration would be nearly as popular as the current one
@JeffNeelzebub
2 жыл бұрын
Waiting impatiently for a video on the Malyuk
@Electrikall
2 жыл бұрын
God thats one of the most cursed AK prototypes ive ever seen. 😆😂
@connorgormly3236
2 жыл бұрын
Very cool excited to see what comes next
@viceadmiralcongo
2 жыл бұрын
Just like that video of improvised conversions of PKTs to wannabe PKMs in Ukraine, when war comes, suddenly every patriotic machinist becomes Bubba.
@kkrummelrhs
2 жыл бұрын
That's not going Bubba since the PK variants' designs had that idea in mind.
@WingMaster562
2 жыл бұрын
But unlike Bubba, this is actually designed, welded and machined. Bubba relies on hose clamps and zip ties, not even JB-weld.
@viceadmiralcongo
2 жыл бұрын
@@kkrummelrhs Bashing a random stock, bipod and mechanical trigger mechanism onto a slab-backed receiver without a stock and a solenoidal trigger isn't bubbaing it?
@viceadmiralcongo
2 жыл бұрын
@@WingMaster562 that shitty weld on the top cover reminds me of that one rifle with the scope mount welded directly to the bolt... perhaps we have already seen the next evolution of bubba? Bubbarino? Perhaps the mythical Bubbaking?
@DwNsYde
2 жыл бұрын
I believe the front trunnion is actually a shaved down stub from an M 70 milled receiver
@BobbyB910
2 жыл бұрын
Good lord that’s ugly but hell if it functions I would run it
@Moondog66602
2 жыл бұрын
Looks cool from a distance, obviously prototype up close. Interesting design choices
@dud5606
2 жыл бұрын
Apparently they didn't continue with this prototype not because they were not satisfied with the results but because of how cursed it looked. Some designers were so distraught in fact, they would refuse to work on the design without an exorcist standing next to them at all times. True story.
@danielwarren8539
2 жыл бұрын
I love seeing all the different solutions to engineering problems.
@DevinMoorhead
2 жыл бұрын
Early gang
@MisterRose90
2 жыл бұрын
Never let the fact that you have no experience doing something stop you from doing it. Just be willing to learn and don’t be stupid.
@mihakrajnc9227
2 жыл бұрын
This might just be the ugliest professionally designed gun I've ever seen
@n7_siquze639
2 жыл бұрын
"professionally", they were just 2 engineers with no firearm background
@alcoholicofthedarkforrest4402
2 жыл бұрын
Oh shit. I can practically smell the sweat on brandon Herrerarararrararas brow while he's hastily and angrily slapping his keyboard with an RPG in response to this.
@exyhing
2 жыл бұрын
@Ian glad to see You were in my country 😁😁😁
@sauromalefico
Жыл бұрын
east: we created a new gun!! world: new design or ak platform? east: ....
@c20ux
2 жыл бұрын
Cool to see our less known weapon on this channel! Good work.
@GNARGNARHEAD
2 жыл бұрын
awesome! looking forward to seeing the developments
@polymerkiki
2 жыл бұрын
This is a very epic series, can't wait for the next video
@DjDolHaus86
2 жыл бұрын
You know what I love about the AK? -The mushy trigger and janky sights? Exactly.
@Kevin-id5hx
2 жыл бұрын
There's nothing wrong with ak sight or trigger it sounds like operater error
@igor_misic
Жыл бұрын
Pronantisiation of Karlovac should be like a reading Karlovatz. :) Thanks for visiting Croatia
@babyhominid7779
2 жыл бұрын
Looks like something out of the movie, "The Thing" when it was frozen in the middle of transforming into an AK.
@XtreeM_FaiL
2 жыл бұрын
-Let's shorten the stock and extend the barrel. -Why? -Because. -That works for me.
@zoranhome
2 жыл бұрын
Negative comments....people don't understand that Croatia was a newly formed country with literally non existent small arms production. If you consider that this rifle was manufactured by 2 guys who were previously fabricating tractor parts, they actually did a pretty good job. 2 decades later they are producing one of the best bullpup rifles on the market as well as the Springfield XD series of pistols.
@Ezekiel_Allium
2 жыл бұрын
I am a little obsessed. The Long Gas System is just uproariously hilarious to me for some reason
@jordanandrew2786
2 жыл бұрын
That length of pull looks fun.
@altair1983
2 жыл бұрын
Oh maan, you were in Croatia! I hope you liked it.
@1zeisele
2 жыл бұрын
Fingers crossed to see some APS-95.
@sarath431
2 жыл бұрын
I remember this now. Mr McCollum posted a pic of this gun on Instagram.
@andrewkelleher2415
2 жыл бұрын
They were so busy asking if they could they never asked if they should.
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