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@lamalien2276
2 жыл бұрын
Cryptos are much further along at this point than just bitcoin and eth. Bitcoin will probably be used like gold and eth will use it's blockchain for services that build on it's tech (like another Microsoft). There will be different currencies for different purposes, like Vchain for product verification. Also, smart contracts can automate the services done by credit cards (like rewards programs) much cheaper. They are even starting to do derivatives now. I dare say you really didn't do enough research for this video. Go back and take a look and I think you'll be surprised at what you see.
@cptrelentless80085
2 жыл бұрын
@@lamalien2276 Nobody is going to use shitty ponzi coins for anything, because they are fundamentally flawed - you either control the currency, and thus the price, by having the most coins, or you do it by having the most processing power.
@Practicalinvestments
2 жыл бұрын
I was under the impression (and I was young back then when bitcoin was created) that bitcoin was created to be a modern store of wealth and nothing more, really to hedge against inflation and market manipulation and crashes (like 08) so basically acting kinda like gold but with less market manipulation, but I think even bitcoin has mutated and become something even natoshi sakamoto and the development team couldn’t predict
@Isa.250
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! I think there's a strong argument to be made that gift cards fit all the requirements of a private currency. I've actually ran into some folks who are selling Turkish gift to other countries cards at a markup since the price of some services can't keep up with the plummeting TL.
@MrManny075
2 жыл бұрын
A wise man talk because he has something to say but a fool because he has to say something, so why all this talk anyone can google it no need for this BS
@MrTeapots
2 жыл бұрын
I got two ads for "private currency" scams during this excellent video. It's like good and evil fighting for the screen.
@nielsbishere
2 жыл бұрын
I would say this is more on youtube for allowing scams
@angusmcfarlane1225
2 жыл бұрын
In 20 minutes, I learned more about the global, financial 'big picture' than 40 years of reading around. Thanks!
@soulflame799
2 жыл бұрын
So did I, one of the best videos so far IMO
@Biskawow
2 жыл бұрын
perhaps you should learn to read then?
@kristjanpeil
Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure that 20mins has turned into hundreds of hours of Patrick Boyle by now, innit? :)
@geraldw4471
2 жыл бұрын
It's incredible how you mentioned M-PESA which forms critical part of currency exchange via mobile devices in Kenya. It has integrated very well with the banking sector in the country.
@Dwightstjohn-fo8ki
2 жыл бұрын
I can imagine this would be needed seriously in remote towns and small village. Even we in the Rockies don't have ALL the Canadian big five banks. My bank is two hours away. Not even a kiosk.
@mike7920
2 жыл бұрын
I really think the so-called developing countries are going to lead this, I mean when it comes to bringing this to being a means of paying for goods - trust, being willing to adopt - that that need will drive the tech forward. I hope so, then the rest of us can follow!
@CountingStars333
Жыл бұрын
@@jfernandez76 I have horse why I need car???
@JohnSmith-pv3kj
2 жыл бұрын
I can see why you are a visiting professor. You have a great ability to explain concepts in a way that can be easily understood by someone without a great deal of insight in the topic without sacrificing the complexity or depth of the subject.
@Kalarandir
2 жыл бұрын
Clear as ever and without all the hype or hate. Thanks Patrick.
@brodyalden
2 жыл бұрын
Nothing like an emotionless Irishman to really break down a market.
@lamalien2276
2 жыл бұрын
No, he simply didn't do enough research before making his conclusions on such a complex subject. That's his bad. The perspective he gives is based on extremely dated information. The truth is crypto is breaking into derivatives, product verification, and smart contracts (automated contract settlement). Also, many cryptos are MUCH faster than credit card networks. Patrick blew it this time.
@haydendriscoll8474
2 жыл бұрын
@@lamalien2276 sounds like something a crypto investor would say.
@TheRustyLM
2 жыл бұрын
@@haydendriscoll8474 you mean a crypto cultist. 🤓
@yogathan1
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheRustyLM Fiat isn't really backed by anything. Crypto is backed by that guy on Craigslist kills people. What a joke and a waste of time! I wish Patrick would do a video on all the characters involved in crypto they are all relatives of Bernie Madoff.
@ACDC012345678
2 жыл бұрын
Wampum to the moon!
@patrickroers752
Жыл бұрын
Wammoonpumm 3x leveraged ETF stake your wampum for guaranteed 150% returns in 🌽
@WojciechP915
2 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite bits of trivia is that wampum, originally a native invention, had some inherent value because its pretty and the process to produce it was very laborious so it wasn't an infinite supply. This changed when settlers built steel tools and a mechanized process for quickly making loads of it, causing wampum inflation at the expense of the natives.
@michaelbraun9750
2 жыл бұрын
I was unaware the settlers automated/accelerated the process and caused wampum inflation with native Americans. But a logical route to go. In Oceania, the stone money used on some islands - a "coin" being a rounded rock weighing several hundred pounds and more - saw a similar phenomenon when an Irishman used a European transport ship to bring in massive amounts of rocks from other islands in the 19th century. And what the settlers did reminds me of childhood times when we collected bottle caps from a local bar and hammerded them into coins... 't was a good time.
@michaelbraun9750
2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelbizon444 when you have a gold coin in your hand you never know which part of the globe the atoms came from and what people did to others when acquiring them. My now late grandmother sometimes told the story that as a young woman just as the second war had ended in Germany and its aftermath she walked home for some 200 kilometers from where she had been conscripted. She said that on her walk she met a woman, the wife of an SS officer, who had a small bag with her that contained gold teeth taken from the people, (I assume mainly jews), killed in then concentration camps. I'm so glad that so far I haven't had to live through such a time...
@TK0_23_
2 жыл бұрын
Sorry to say, but that is not true. This did happen, however, in West Africa during European colonization with Akori beads. A glass bead used as currency dating as far back as 300 CE. Europeans were able to mass produce it in factories in Europe and shipped boatloads of it and caused hyper inflation. Wampum was another story. Firstly, the indigenous people did not use it as "money" but as a ceremonial trade good and status symbol. When the English and Dutch arrived they saw its potential for use as currency. However it didn't fully satisfy the definition of money. For instance it was not a real store of value. It also was useless in international trade, only having any sort of value in the north east of the Americas. After the Pequot War in 1638, the tribes along the Long Island Sound, the makers of Wampum, who had been damaged by the war, had difficulty keeping up with Wampum production. Eventually Boston started minting their own coins, (in violation of their charter) and began replacing Wampum as money. It's a little more complicated than that, as things usually are, but that's the gist of it.
@brianbelgard5988
11 ай бұрын
The same thing happened in reverse for the gold standard during the Industrial Revolution. It was a fluke of history that the technology being developed during that period (steam powered mining pumps and equipment) also increased the money supply.
@greenredblue
7 ай бұрын
My favorite semi-related trivia is that aluminum used to be more valuable than gold. Napoleon's most honored guests ate with aluminum cutlery instead of silver. The electrolytic extraction process eventually flooded the market and turned it into what we know today. In fact, it was only ~100 years ago that aluminum became cheaper than tin, which is why a lot of places still use the misnomers "tin can" and "tinfoil."
@damianchang6439
2 жыл бұрын
Patrick, I just wanted to say that in a world of social and media noise your videos are delivered in such a calm, considered manner cut through the craziness with clarity and intelligence. You’re a rare breed especially on the internet these days so, I just wanted to say thank you and for educating us viewers ☺️.
@Volken321
2 жыл бұрын
I couldn't have said it any better.
@muokinzangi3067
Жыл бұрын
Perfectly said
@jaadotech
Жыл бұрын
Indeed, so much smoke and mirrors, says exactly what i would say if I knew what he knows! 😊
@drx1xym154
Жыл бұрын
@@muokinzangi3067 -- could have been written better, though I think I understand what is trying to be conveyed! Yes, commas* are key! * - Void where prohibited. Your private money will vary.
@yourcheapdate4564
2 жыл бұрын
My God, what an avalanche of information! This was incredible. History, markets, human psychology, crypto...way to connect it all, just fantastic!
@rogergeyer9851
2 жыл бұрын
yourcheapdate: Agreed. What it does for me is increase my skepticism toward BTC, etc, and make me think that the old time wisdom of Buffett, Munger, et al that crypto becomes worthless over time, is likely correct. Not enough to want to bet on that, however. I earned my money. Throwing it away isn't in my play book.
@yogathan1
2 жыл бұрын
@@rogergeyer9851 my favorite Munger quote is crypto is rat poison squared!
@Otis-the-III
Жыл бұрын
Love that my DCA into bitcoin and the stocks market cost me nothing, rather it did put me on the road to riches. Sh!t's paying higher than a paycheck.
@MHousley
Жыл бұрын
Sell bitcoin? Why would anyone do that ? IMO always buy when you can afford it. Invest for future benefits, whether they be having the new money or selling for profit. Then, invest as if you might be wrong, The name of the game is to not lose wealth whatever form it may take.
@ms.scooterrider
Жыл бұрын
@@Otis-the-III Its lucrative nature has never been doubted, but a higher %tage of investors lose rather than make fortunes off it. What's your system, sir? How do you go about it for profitable outcomes ? I am thinking about buying a small amount, trying to get skin in the game.
@Otis-the-III
Жыл бұрын
Investing in stocks and crypto are no doubt one of the simplest forms of earning recurring passive incomes. I made my first million $ doing so! But their inherent complexity kinda makes it tough. I think it's more about knowing so much about investing in stocks and btc that you're able to note opportunities on any given day.
@sPacEBallOOn
Жыл бұрын
Prospective investor here and the last six months was undeniably miserable for, absolutely horrendous. I'd like to know how you guys throwing darts over the wall actually do it?
@curious-chris
Жыл бұрын
Out-f’ing-standing! I was profitable both January and February, & with Btc currently on the rise, 2023 is really shaping up to be a good one. So getting rich in fiat is ok in my books using Btc. It's basically FOREX!
@tony0x48
2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating. I wasn't really aware of much of the history of private currencies, so I learned a lot today. Interesting side-note; in Scotland, where I'm from originally, bank notes are issued by authorised retail banks rather than the government, so you have several different sets of notes in circulation. Technically, these notes aren't actually legal tender, and I guess they are really a form of private currency. However the banks are required by law to hold reserves equivalent to the value of notes they issue, to guarantee their value. So I guess Scottish currency is basically paper stablecoins.
@Dwightstjohn-fo8ki
2 жыл бұрын
I remember the two brothers that grew a huge business in Scotland in the railroad era building Pullman style cars. The bank "notes?" or "letters of credit"? were routinely discounted in process. the same thing occurred with these financial papers authorizing purchase overseas, especially of cotton from Egypt. It was just part of the financial process in those days to account for long travel and exchange of raw materials, to manufacturing in a country far, far away.
@mikatu
2 жыл бұрын
In Hong Kong the money is issued by 3 private banks.
@sarethums
2 жыл бұрын
THATS LEGAL TENDER!!!!!!
@Dark6997
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting fact there are couple of reasons why Scotland has three banks but one of them has to do the fact that the first bank the Bank of Scotland was believed to have Jacobite ties. So when a new company wanted to move into banking parliament agreed to allow them as a form of competition. Hence The Royal Bank of Scotland was born
@Dark6997
2 жыл бұрын
Also another interesting fact when the Bank of Scotland was first established it allowed for foreign investors to legally become Scottish citizens
@briehart-nutter4357
2 жыл бұрын
As an Ithacan, I can tell you that the Ithaca Hour's history is a wonderful and interesting story. Lovely to hear my city mentioned in your video. There are several wonderful lessons to be learned from the Ithaca Hour and it's history.
@mulemule
6 ай бұрын
Can you please share some of the lessons? (If not, it's hard to gauge the value/relevancy of such glowing assertions.)
@chessdad182
2 жыл бұрын
Your mention of the protection provided by the credit card system for is so true. Myself and all my relatives have had to use that protection due to criminals attempting to charge to our credit cards. Great commentary on private currencies.
@Funktastico
2 жыл бұрын
Did it occurs to you that protection is required/provided because credit card is flawed in a way that it is easily susceptible to such fraud in the first place ?
@julkiewicz
2 жыл бұрын
@@Funktastico Not really, protection against social engineering scams is a value add. And this has nothing to do with the underlying transaction settlement technology and how secure it is from a purely technical standpoint. The fact that transactions are reversible is a feature.
@AnymMusic
2 жыл бұрын
It's weird that someone can just charge someone's credit card anyway instead of it being a payment request rather than a charge.
@PointsofData
Жыл бұрын
@@Funktastico you realize every system has flaws right? Go look up how people are being hacked and swindled with the flaws in the block chain. There is no way to reverse a charge on the chain either, so all victims are SOL.
@TammuzKay
2 жыл бұрын
It's a travesty that this video doesn't mention the '1 Big Mac' coin. And it's a missed opportunity that McDonalds doesn't issue coins denominated in units of Tendies.
@rogergeyer9851
2 жыл бұрын
Tammuz Kay: So WHY is this a travesty (in your opinion)? So I see with 1 minute of searching, that this was only redeemable through 2018 at some McDonald's stores. So now, it's WORTHLESS, except for those who want to collect them, and trade them on Ebay (apparently, included in my 1 minute of a quick search).
@Zaerki
2 жыл бұрын
The McD Tendie would go straight to the moon.
@TammuzKay
2 жыл бұрын
@@rogergeyer9851 I was using hyperbole in an attempt at humor.
@SMASH_REVIEWS
2 жыл бұрын
"HOUSE OF CARDS" - both the traditional Finance and Bitcoin too, sure it has value because of scarcity but its price always sits on the foundation of US dollars . When the chips are down, Bitcoin and crypto will shit the bed faster than any currency ever.
@SMASH_REVIEWS
2 жыл бұрын
@Hakim Habib Are Millions of people competing to get Kidney Stones ? Come on Bro.
@luckylanno
2 жыл бұрын
I guess gift cards are a form of private currency then? Perhaps we should switch to the Target gift card standard
@endersbyd
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent Patrick. Easily one of my top 10 channels on KZitem
@johnathankain8033
2 жыл бұрын
Private printed money’s history is still easy to see in Scotland and Northern Ireland, though all those notes are backed by government eventually, though not directly.
@TheHighborn
2 жыл бұрын
Crypto is not as private as most people think. BTC is literally wide open. If you can connect a waller with a person, even a child could look at the history. Monero on the other hand is literally an enigma. And that's why it's kept down low. Nobody can tell what's happening on the chain
@zaaaru
2 жыл бұрын
I would like to note that a bitcoin transaction costs between 0.15$ and 0.30$.
@zacrl1230
2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes as low as $0.02. Moved $10k for that much, on a Sunday, within an hour. Please show me a bank that can pull that off.
@ryanpatrick4920
2 жыл бұрын
it got up to 40 dollars per transaction last spring. If more people actually used it, then it would be even higher because miners can pick and choose what transactions to do first
@ipenguin3918
2 жыл бұрын
Given all the Cryptos, NFTs, the Rise of the Metaverse, On-Line Sports Betting, and Lotteries is anybody in the US paying their bills?
@hereigoagain5050
2 жыл бұрын
Great overview! Patrick can pack a lot of info into an easily digested capsule. One pro is that some crypto seem to be pyramid schemes, so early "investors" make large rewards. Finding the "last fool" may be tough.
@topshelfmusicgroup5899
2 жыл бұрын
I thought I was going to get another video blindly attacking the blockchain industry based on how the technology stood years ago, not taking into account any of the improvements or issues that have already been solved (that most people not involved aren’t yet aware of). Instead I got a great overview on the history of paper money. Patrick is truly one of the best finance channels of all time.
@zachzimmermann5209
2 жыл бұрын
My fears and relief/appreciation exactly!
@patrickt873
2 жыл бұрын
You are missing the point. It's not paper vs digital. It's government backed currency vs private issuance of currency. Both have no intrinsic value but backed by faith. One is backed by taxation and in the case of digital currency has not been used for any major amount of transaction. Not that I liked either. One will be inflated away and the other was growing due to the excess supply of currency and rampant speculation due to negative returns of currency.
@Dwightstjohn-fo8ki
2 жыл бұрын
@@zachzimmermann5209 The early banking industry and cashless society was covered pretty seriously in my American high school days. But you'd not know much about it if you didn't go to school in the USA. The Founding Fathers "concerns" is also covered extensively, IF the kids going to school paid any attention.
@arnetrautmann9783
2 жыл бұрын
Extremely interesting video. I did not even know how much there is to know. Thank you, Patrick!
@苗润坤
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Patrick, great video. I've done a few blockchain projects and from my experience, almost every blockchain application issue their own token/currencies, just because the fundamentals of the blockchain application encourage developer to issue their own token to build a clean usage environment. The government issued digital currency actually can be used to replace all the funky stable coins in the market, and work as a medium to help user exchange their private issued coins to fiat currency back and forth. Since most of the token/currency run on blockchain by design is to disclose transactions, so I don't think the central bank digital currency raises more privacy problems than any other private token/currencies.
@tavirosu25
2 жыл бұрын
What's the point of it. If you get paid via banking, so electric generated balance and you never take out the money in cash and just pay with your card...one would say then your money is indeed vitual just like any cryptocurrency is. The issue with crypto is that if you want to take it out, you can't. For some people having physical bills in their hands is valuable.
@cyruschadrezzar
2 жыл бұрын
my power went out yesterday. a stable power grid is an afterthought.
@苗润坤
2 жыл бұрын
@@tavirosu25 you are actually questioning the current monetary system, which is reasonable. And if you go a little further, you will find out the physical bill is just as worthless as any crypto in the market.
@buildmotosykletist1987
2 жыл бұрын
@@苗润坤 : Did you think about that before writing it ?
@george6977
2 жыл бұрын
@@tavirosu25 Yes, cash is useful when there is a power cut, after a hurricane for instance. You could be a crypto millionaire but if there is no electricity or internet connection etc what use is your crypto in the real world?
@dan438
2 жыл бұрын
Love your content. Thanks for putting all this work into educating youtube.
@rathelmmc3194
2 жыл бұрын
The pros of crypto: Pump and dump, baby!! The cons of crypto: I was on the wrong side of the pump and Dump.
@finlanderxx
2 жыл бұрын
Would have been interesting if you had looked bit closer on the functionality and use case for the top 50 cryptocurrencies and tokens and comparing them with the old private currencies.
@sheefo6217
2 жыл бұрын
Great stuff Patrick, the 2 cryptocurrencies that you mentioned in BTC and ETH are in no position to be used as everyday cash as you mentioned due to tech constraints but with the huge community of cypherpunks that they have garnered those technological constraints are being worked on, they're value proposition as of now is anti-censorship, the transparency in how they function and how they are issued, and of course decentralization.
@Oscar-vd4cv
2 жыл бұрын
What's the benefit of decentralization? It just seems like people just use the word as an argument. Can you give me a tangible benefit? The USA already has decentralized finance, PayPal, Visa, Amex, Mastercard, all with interchange fees much cheaper than crypto, but it seems we'd actually benefit from a centralized system with no interchange fees and instant deposits, I could be wrong but I think some countries do this already, but the USA to me already seems decentralized and it's a problem imo.
@patrickt873
2 жыл бұрын
There are better ways for decentralized money
@patrickt873
2 жыл бұрын
Decentralized does not mean governments just censorship or privateship. Cash paper is the best if you want your transaction not to be tracked. Any transaction on a card can be traced. No what Decentralized here means is the quantity of issuance is outside of Central banks issuance and to some extent its traceability too. As an over leveraged society crumbles what the government cannot find they cannot grab. And what they cannot print to oblivion will have value. That's Decentralized....
@Dwightstjohn-fo8ki
2 жыл бұрын
@@Oscar-vd4cv The three Bitcoin "mines" within walking distance of me are owned by locals that ALREADY HAVE cash flow, millions, properties, and many project son the go. They're normal. And if Bitcoin tanks, it's no big loss for them. BUT the advocates and conspiracy idiots thinking this is going to make them rich, or solve all their OTHER problems (like having no money and not REALLY wanting to work a normal way) simply have no exit door...that isn't going to hurt on the way out.
@RayosMcQueen
2 жыл бұрын
@@Oscar-vd4cv One attractor is to get the benefit of monetary policy like bailing out an economic sector or curbing inflation without bearing the dilution of wealth by increased traditional currency in circulation. Another attractor is anonymity, which also attracts a shady crowd.
@engrahmed7122
2 жыл бұрын
As an Structural Engineer I find your educational videos very informative and consider myself to be your student. There isn't a good video on how and which sectors/assets to invest in inflationary environment and in deflationary investment. Liked. Subscribed.
@DavidCunningham65
2 жыл бұрын
Amazing "edutainment" value. Inching closer to patreon. Love, love, love that distinguished suit. But love, love, love, love, the content of this particular production. I really admire you professor Boyle keep these high-quality videos coming please.
@samsonsoturian6013
2 жыл бұрын
All this should show just how fragmented the US economy was in the 19th century along regional and local lines
@Zaflon
2 жыл бұрын
Crypto currencies can be imbued with different properties. They can be frozen, locked, burned etc. I almost imagine the usecase for crypto being more like Nectar points or shop specific tokens a bit like the lumber mills.
@ominollo
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Patrick, Another proof that your channel is very underrated 🙂
@johnristheanswer
2 жыл бұрын
By who ?
@porkch0mp538
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this stuff. You always say its boring but its fascinating to me to see how history repeats itself in new forms. I wish we learned more of this in finance school. Maybe there was a class called history of finance but I didn't take it.
@jacopopiccirillo
2 жыл бұрын
"Money only backed by faith".. Reminds me of something.. Oh right the US dollar! Anyway you should check the huge amount of use cases offered by defi Patrick. Its not just private money, its decentralized programmable money. Its the difference between a smartphone and an old phone ;)
@ryanpatrick4920
2 жыл бұрын
the dollar is backed by the US government, a government with the longest lasting Constitution ever written in the history of mankind. There is a reason why so many currencies peg their currencies to the dollar, because it is stable and widely used. Cryptos can be duplicated at the drop of a hat (BTC to BTC cash) and are backed by nothing.
@kkkkkkkb9945
2 жыл бұрын
@@ryanpatrick4920 "backed by" = manupilated by. No reason for foreign coutries to peg their currencies anymore if us keeps on printing dollars to save its freefalling economy and wrecking foreign countries. If they are expecting 2020/2021 levels of money printery im sure foreign countries would rather their currencies be backed by "nothing"
@george6977
2 жыл бұрын
@Hakim Habib Yes, US citizens can only pay their taxes in USD. Anyone who wants to buy US Treasuries or equities also does it via USD.
@AmexL
2 жыл бұрын
@@kkkkkkkb9945 well I’m not sure about the “no reason…” argument. You realize the US provides defense for many of these foreign countries both individually and de facto en masse by its empire. I’m not justifying it, just pointing out the reality. And of course, the US hegemony is being challenged and successfully. When that changes, then the dollar as the world’s reserve currency status will follow.
@patrickt873
2 жыл бұрын
All currency are backed by faith. They are called FIAT for a reason. Before, the dollar was pegged to gold at a fix amount $35 for 1 oz of gold. All currencies then took dollar with that understanding but then the French discovered that the US wax printing more dollars for wars and social programs than they have gold. Since then, the dollar has lost much of its purchasing power. And we are about to see this again with another dose of Inflation now globally. It's not how much paper you have. It's what you can buy with it. And governments can only try to print their way out of a problem instead of shrinking itself.
@neutronstar03
2 жыл бұрын
about crypto, there are modern blockchains with 10c transaction fees, seconds time-to-finality and smartcontracts, already deployed and in use by thousands, this has actually been the 2021 revolution Another way to see crypto Tokens is that many mimics stocks for a project. Crypto projects can emit tokens as companies can do an IPO and have investors pour in money. I think in this perspective could be way more interesting and democratizing stock access.. for example!
@stevec.7017
2 жыл бұрын
Wonderful. Is there a link to one of your college lectures? Would love to listen to a class. I find you very interesting and appreciate your channel.
@MrAsteba
2 жыл бұрын
There are several lectures in his KZitem channel.
@stevec.7017
2 жыл бұрын
@@MrAsteba I will have to look for them. Thanks
@CaravaggioRoma
2 жыл бұрын
Extremely educative video, thanks!
@wetdroidedition2549
2 жыл бұрын
"faith" is a crucial term. Can we say the subject of our faith is subjective? Value of gold is essentially subjective too.
@codenamed0047
Жыл бұрын
I like how you didn't use a click bait title for this video. I really appreciate your focus on meaningful content.
@aracrg
2 жыл бұрын
The early history of US money reminds me of Bitcoin and Lightning now. Whereby paper money was used for general trade (lightning), and was redeemable for gold (bitcoin). Except in Bitcoin and Lightning the currency is the same, and is equally redeemable and divisible on either platform.
@ianparr5899
2 жыл бұрын
Agree, with the observation BTC is a finite supply whereas banknotes are infinitely printable therby devaluing them over time.
@whitejodeci8926
2 жыл бұрын
@@ianparr5899 Nope. BTC is inflated by tether, which is already insolvent.
@michaelmanning5379
2 жыл бұрын
There's a series of plays collectively known as "The Wingfield Cycle" about Walt Wingfield, a stockbroker who gives up the exchange for a farm. In the third play, "Wingfield's Folly", Walt convinces his neighbours to adopt a new currency, the Walt. He gets an education in practical economics.
@ecavero1
2 жыл бұрын
17:39 This is not the case anymore. Lightning Network transactions are instant and cost fractions of a penny.
@mickey2641
2 жыл бұрын
Great moment of the day, when you get notification about new video of Patrick. Great thing to watch before sleep.
@donaldfraser2431
2 жыл бұрын
Thank You Patrick, you Sir are an educator . Your content is always well organized, filled with historical facts, and just good. Respect !!
@robertplatt1693
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you BTC fans for your recent $400 billion donation to the world's anti-inflation efforts!
@awdrifter3394
2 жыл бұрын
It'll be back.
@ironrye4317
2 жыл бұрын
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@robertplatt1693
Жыл бұрын
Turned out to be a trillion. We appreciate it!
@garrettwise7713
2 жыл бұрын
Great video, interesting topic. Sheds some new perspective on how to view cryptos when having a bit of history on private currency. Very thoughtful topic if you ask me.
@svessien
2 жыл бұрын
Actually, currencies have been competing as long as currencies have existed. Athens made their tetradrachms the trading standard over the whole Mediterranian. The denarius took over in the 2nd century BC. Then came the sterling penny, etc. History is full of examples of attemtps and successes in monopolizing the money standard. Alternative currencies have popped up to either take over, or at least keep the leading currency honest. It is as it should be.
@JonnyD000
2 жыл бұрын
Great video as always, very interesting history on American private currency. An important thing to note on the thousands of cryptocurrencies though (ignoring the trash meme coins), is that the majority of them are not trying to be currencies. The term cryptocurrency has become a bit of a misnomer in the present. They should be called digital assets now, as many coins have various functions for different decentralized services that can make them more like a commodity like oil/gas, or equity instrument like stocks/bonds, and some have new functions that they will need new classifications made as they don't compare to any existing thing.
@julkiewicz
2 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure that's correct. The majority of crypto tokens aren't really useful for anything other than trading. There are some exceptions like Filecoin (which after years of waiting actually launched its storage service). Most tokens however are only promising some sort of usefulness in the future. Oil, gas, gold - these assets can be actually used for things other than trading - creating jewelry, electronics, production of plastics, energy production. I cannot use BTC hashes for anything by themselves. If the ability for trading crypto went away, most of it would become worthless, no?
@soil-play
2 жыл бұрын
I think "asset" is a bit of a stretch as these are simply entrys in digital ledgers - perhaps someday they can represent or be a record of an asset but not seeing that right now.
@diehard7832
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I think crypto is here to stay and could over take the stock market. Imho, the market is plagued with corruption (AMC/Gamestop), insider trading, inflation, manipulation, etc.... Where crypto only seems to suffer from volatility & manipulation.
@TheMineCool
2 жыл бұрын
@@diehard7832 decentralized cryptocurrencies are not immune to manipulation, corruption or insider trading. It being decentralized will actually make it much harder to identify, stop and prevent such problems already existing in traditional financial systems.
@julkiewicz
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheMineCool Decentralization ensures that the rules enshrined in the crypto protocol are not broken. The problem is, there are very few rules enshrined there (or even rules that could theoretically be enshrined). For instance it would be very challenging to implement a feature as simple as chargeback.
@justinwalworth9008
2 жыл бұрын
I have full faith in the US dollar and am happy to transact with it. That doesn’t change the fact that it’s value is slowly eroded over time with inflation. So the value of any physical or electronic dollars you hold erodes. For everyone. Supply capped cryptocurrencies solve that problem (potentially).
@qwerty_artist
2 жыл бұрын
The fact that crypto isn't used more like a currency and less like a speculative asset honestly saddens me, I try to encourage use of it as a currency by offering it as a payment option for my own services, but ofc rarely anyone actually takes me up on it xD
@rogergeyer9851
2 жыл бұрын
Qwerty: In the real world, high fees matter. Also MASSIVE volatility for a "currency" matters a LOT.
@terrymoose7273
2 жыл бұрын
@@rogergeyer9851 Only ETH has crazy high fees. That massive volatility you are talking about is not something a lot of people around the world have a problem with because their countries currencies are worthless do to government mismanagement
@julkiewicz
2 жыл бұрын
@@terrymoose7273 You know, people don't have to use cryptocurrency to solve the volatility problem. They can for example use... dollars. People in Turkey routinely keep their savings in dollars or euros due to lira's volatility and general weakening over time. Using crypto to solve currency volatility problem is like killing a fly with a tank. It's completely unnecessary and wasteful in all sorts of ways. People don't use crypto as a currency because it's not a particularly good currency. People use it for speculation because it is great for that. It has high volatility and a lot of dumb money invested in it (a lot of smart money too, of course) which actually makes it possible for some people to outsmart the market once in a while.
@smokinthehippies8257
2 жыл бұрын
Damn, that suit is fresh AF.
@antipode_ghost
2 жыл бұрын
In a globalized economy, the sovereign currencies look somewhat like local private currencies used to look back in the days. One of the problems cryptocurrencies solve is eliminating the concept of the geographical borders. Another problem they solve is the reliance on foreign currencies by countries with weak local currencies. Countries that use US$ as a de-facto local currency don't want to be affected by US fiscal policies. A cryptocurrency may provide a way out for them. As for the trust issue, that's exactly why decentralized, distributed ledgers are a solution, not a problem. There is no single entity that can fail, causing the cryptocurrency to fall. You only need to trust the source code that powers the project. And that source code is open source, and undergoes academic, private, and commercial scrutiny.
@ryanpatrick4920
2 жыл бұрын
The largest crypto by value, BTC, has already duplicated itself by hardforks at least three times, such as it duplicating into BTC Cash. That is not a good indicator of trust. It is an excellent example of why cryptos are susceptible to inflation if they were ever to become actual circulating currencies.
@antipode_ghost
2 жыл бұрын
@@ryanpatrick4920 BTC did not duplicate itself. The forks are separate projects, and they have nothing to do with BTC other than originating from the same source code. Anyone can fork any open source project. It's like saying that Monopoly dollars undermine trust into US dollar. They are completely separate entities. Are you saying that existence of forked projects constitutes inflation of BTC? How? Anyone can fork Linux kernel. I can do it by typing one command. Will me doing that undermine trust in the Linux project? Not even by an epsilon. My forked copy will have absolutely nothing to do with the main project.
@ryanpatrick4920
2 жыл бұрын
@@antipode_ghost How is it not a duplication when the first coin was mined to be used as a single circulating currency, while the second coin broke off, and in an instant has the same exact number of mined coins as the first? At that point, the holders of the first coin, suddenly has the exact number of the second, (even though only one coin was mined) and whatever the arbitrary value of that second coin comes with this duplicated holding. It literally creates supposed value out of thin air. BTC Cash did not have to expend all the electricity to create their coins. And what is more dubious to the equation is that the many holders of bitcoin who have died or lost access to their wallets, also have these conjured up BTC Cash coins. But neither of their coins can circulate, because the holder is dead. I have actually coined the term "dead coins" to define these forever lost coins of both the original cryptocurrency and the duplicated one. Also these forks create a competitor to the first coin, which is not good for a currency.
@antipode_ghost
2 жыл бұрын
@@ryanpatrick4920 Duplication and inflation is when you create more of the same. BTC cash is not BTC at all, it is an independent project. So this is neither inflation or duplication. They gave coins to the addresses on the BTC blockchain in order to distribute the liquidity, in hopes that the coin will catch on. It did not catch on, and is dying a slow death. Existence of BTC Cash has nothing to do with the main BTC project, and does not undermine or inflate it in any way. I agree that some altcoins compete with Bitcoin. Why is that bad? Competition is good. USD competes with Euro. As for the wallets of dead people, this is why BTC is becoming a deflationary asset. Every year some bitcoin gets lost, because of technical issues or human error. According to some estimates, about 17M of Bitcoin will actually be in circulation (as opposed to 21M that will be formally mined). Again, a deflationary non-sovereign currency is a good thing.
@GowthamNatarajanAI
2 жыл бұрын
@@antipode_ghost What is the point of small countries switching to BTC when they cannot control it's supply
@bogdanb32
2 жыл бұрын
great video Patrick!
@samsonsoturian6013
2 жыл бұрын
Related fact: Archeologists say that finding treasure hoards and/or coins with holes in them (for use as jewelry) is the sign of a completely collapsed economy. There's simply nothing to spend that money on.
@himoffthequakeroatbox4320
Жыл бұрын
That or somebody needed a washer when the hardware store was closed.
@samsonsoturian6013
Жыл бұрын
@@himoffthequakeroatbox4320 that only applies to cheap coins. Gold and silver, not so much
@gl846
2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video
@helios2575
2 жыл бұрын
A Bitcoin transaction costs about 25 cents in fees. If you want speed some protocols have even lower fees, instant finality and are still fairly decentalized. On the flip side, the other day I had to deposit a Canadian check written in USD from a major bank into a US checking account. It took about 2 weeks to process and I was charged a 95 dollar fee.
@giovannip8600
2 жыл бұрын
Actually some networks that use PoS can transfer money not only faster but for less fees and carbon emissions, so this is very partial towards the current financial system
@0ldskool75
2 жыл бұрын
Love the educational essays like this one. I enjoyed the history of currency in the US and how it is relevant to crypto currencies today. That said, lumping ethereum with Bitcoin is a bit misleading, as ethereum is trying to build a digital platform, not just a currency, which is a very practical differentiator. I wish you would delve into this and other crypto currencies that make them differentiators from each other and increase adoption rates. As big banks are now looking to hire crypto currency developers, there is definitely a sense that widespread adoption is eminent to at least some degree. It is a bit misleading to lump them all together and treat them all like Bitcoin. Would love to see a follow-up that looks at some of the more prominent crypto currencies and what they are doing to differentiate and hit mainstream adoption.
@buildmotosykletist1987
2 жыл бұрын
For the most part banks are interested in blockchain developers not crypto currency developers.
@ErikPattison
2 жыл бұрын
Actually, he did compare their usability as real currency succinctly. The other 3000 did not get a mention. I am sure they each have their own "Unique Selling Point" like a "digital platform", tether to an existing currency, dog-based Esperanto or Musk-scented multiverse. It is just a pain in the butt to buy stuff with them.
@buildmotosykletist1987
2 жыл бұрын
@@ErikPattison : He mentioned there were 6 thousand others.
@StickmanA
2 жыл бұрын
There's other countries. Digital tracking of movement of goods could become a thing
@richardzimmermann9372
2 жыл бұрын
People are right to worry about inflation, but wrong to see crypto as a solution.
@mvpfocus
2 жыл бұрын
What's your solution?
@crescentprincekronos2518
2 жыл бұрын
@@mvpfocus there is no solution. The video clearly shows that we've tried for hundreds of years. It's a fundamental aspect, not a problem, of any system we can come up with.
@mvpfocus
2 жыл бұрын
@@crescentprincekronos2518 I was asking the commenter, and it appears you lack ideas, so why even say anything?
@treyshaffer
2 жыл бұрын
Moderate inflation is best. Definitely don't want deflation, look at Japan...
@paulmaartin
2 жыл бұрын
Abraham Lincoln got in a duel over a debate about money.
@eyadkourdi2325
2 жыл бұрын
I wrote a long comment and it got deleted automatically, I wonder why 🤔
@nielsbishere
2 жыл бұрын
Same here, I guess if you mention the word e.t.h.e.r.e.u.m or L.a.y.e.r 2 it'll get auto deleted or any other meaningful conversation about what it solves
@eyadkourdi2325
2 жыл бұрын
@@nielsbishere omg, i wasn't even being toxic, ok will see haha
@nielsbishere
2 жыл бұрын
@@eyadkourdi2325 me neither, I just brought up some important points. He was trying to argue that crypto doesn't solve anything while that kinda suggests that he doesn't truly understand it
@spike.strat1318
11 ай бұрын
Back in the day folks also used postage stamps for small purchases.
@julkiewicz
2 жыл бұрын
So the conclusion of the story seems to be that the value of cryptocurrencies today depends just as much if not more on the centralized crypto exchanges, as it does on the decentralized network itself. If the centralized crypto exchanges went away or become inaccessible to a large group of people, that would severely affect the valuation of crypto tokens. This would be in line with the history of private currencies.
@krtolas
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. That is the point, crypto decentralised nothing when you still need exchanges to get fiat. It is not the future it is more a niche which is filling i.e. speculative trading and funding illegal activities.
@Tsacchi94
2 жыл бұрын
Commenting to support. Exceptionnel comme d’habitude.
@Poctyk
2 жыл бұрын
Didn't know that microtransaction stores and currencies have almost 150 year history
@myriadshalaks
2 жыл бұрын
the centralization problem is what it solves. and several auctions irl have priced in eth alongside the typical world currencies.
@garrettfields6972
2 жыл бұрын
No Patrick YOU have a good day
@VideoconferencingUSA
2 жыл бұрын
Nice job.
@brian.wonton
2 жыл бұрын
Patrick you're slowly saving me from causing my own financial ruin thank you I love you.
@genkestrel7254
2 жыл бұрын
That's great Brian :) What did or didn't you do that's saved you from financial ruin based on Patrick's teachings?
@sf1313
2 жыл бұрын
Dear PATRICK bitcoin transactions usually cost between $0.15-$0.50, not $20.0 as you mentioned.
@YouChube3
2 жыл бұрын
Bringing the big brain energy. Love ur work 👍🏼
@soulflame799
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video! I learned so many things I didn't know about alternative money in the past!
@clawsoon
2 жыл бұрын
I've read about banking wars in Canada in the 1800s, where banks would quietly buy up the bills of a competitor, then redeem them all at once in order to cause a bank run and drive their competitor into bankruptcy. It was obviously ruinous for the system as a whole. I wonder if the same thing happened in the US. I'm only halfway through the video, so perhaps it'll come up.
@danb1618
2 жыл бұрын
That’s a great tidbit 😆 and vintage practice from the crooks in suits. Ty
@Dwightstjohn-fo8ki
2 жыл бұрын
@@danb1618 My guess is the USA crowd would not want to miss that opportunity.
@mariusciobanu4254
2 жыл бұрын
This is actually a great way to keep banks honest and drive out of business dishonest bank. As long as the bank kept in reserves enough gold to redeem the notes - as they should - then a bank run would not affect the bank. On the other hand, banks that would cheat customers and issue more paper than the gold they have - they would be exposed to these bank runs.
@michaelbraun9750
2 жыл бұрын
@@mariusciobanu4254 unfortunately that doesn't work with the biggest crypto stablecoin USDT (Tether), since once you've given them your USD for USDT you can't redeem USDT for USD as per their user agreements. I assume most people in crypto that buy/use USDT don't know that. If it was possible to force them to convert their tokens back to real dollars the party would have been over for them for years since they would have had to show the real reserves they had then.
@MP-ng1sc
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your videos! I didn’t know there were so many Cripto currencies in existence, I admire the way you explain it, I’m just an average person and I’m learning so much from all of your videos, Excellent!!👍🏻
@cervelo9465
2 жыл бұрын
When (not if) the next severe stock market crash happens then it will become very interesting what happens to BTC and ETH.
@whatisheartscont2be645
2 жыл бұрын
More than 8000 cryptocurrencies? According to coinmarketcap, there are actually more, than 16 000 right now.
@carstenriedel7070
2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't call it private money, cryptocurrencies are mutable assets. What gives bitcoin its strength is consensus (in a non-technical sense).The dollar is getting stronger right now, even though so much has been printed, I don't have to be in a financial master class to sense something is fishy. I want to have a say in what the fiscal policy should be, it should not be inflatable.
@ryanpatrick4920
2 жыл бұрын
BTC has been duplicated several times, so it seems pretty susceptible to inflation. Ever heard of BTC Cash, just the instantaneous duplication of BTC. The only thing giving BTC value right now is that it costs 38k to mine just a single coin. Of course a miner would only sell it for that much.
@carstenriedel7070
2 жыл бұрын
@@ryanpatrick4920 It has been decided by consensus that BTC Cash is not real BTC, if such fork happens you "account" has the same amount of asset on both chains. Easy solution, sell the wrong chain. Buy the right one. Even you can duplicate BTC with the right equipment, but questionable if you can pay me out, cause i will buy real bitcoin from this money ;). That's the beauty of consensus.
@garygarside9782
2 жыл бұрын
@@ryanpatrick4920 it's dipping around that price now
@OmDahake
10 ай бұрын
Great Explanation
@fortunino
2 жыл бұрын
The Crypto market is still one of the most potential places to invest your money, if you can manage the risk, then you can take advantage of the market to secure your financial position and earn money.
@trinhminh-ha6895
2 жыл бұрын
Scanned the altcoin charts and came to this conclusion, many look bullish with bullish reversal structures. 2022 is going to be nuts for Alts.
@shannoninnes3974
2 жыл бұрын
i don’t just buy/trade anything for the sake of it, I seek the guidance of 'Jennifer Bright Emfield' who has made me understand that strategy is everything, her strategy has brought 15x returns so far this year. I copy her trades in real time which i can confidently say i am impressed.>
@ryanpatrick4920
2 жыл бұрын
let me use one currency to buy another currency, so I can make more of the first currency. Makes so much sense. But what makes more sense is that the current price of bitcoin is based on the cost in energy that is required to make a bitcoin. But once all the BTC are mined, they will have little value because they have little utility.
@mzbeabout
2 жыл бұрын
This video would go well with the one about British/ Irish pubs becoming banks...just a thought
@Mark24XX
2 жыл бұрын
This was an excellent video, I never knew about how many currencies there really was in the past. One criticism of the video tho is you only talked about BTC and ETH you mention all their flaws. There are many cryptos out there that offer solutions to these issues, they offer low fees, fast transactions, and even are better for the environment than MasterCard or Visa transactions. Would have been nice to mention those, but overall a great video! Thank you
@melvinthedeathless.melvint6727
2 жыл бұрын
If solutions existed, El Salvadorians sure ain't seeing it, their crypto transaction fees ends up being higher than traditional remittance services: charged for using the crypto platform and charged a 2nd time for converting to fiat.
@TeodorAngelov
2 жыл бұрын
I am no crypto expert but those small seemingly efficient cryptos are so because they aren't widely used. They wouldn't scale out well.
@slop123456789
2 жыл бұрын
@@melvinthedeathless.melvint6727You are misinformed. They still have the option of using legacy services like Western Union for remittances but they are switching voluntarily to BTC as it is easier, faster and cheaper.
@miguelzavaleta1911
2 жыл бұрын
Which cryptos specifically would you cite as being more efficient than Visa or MasterCard for the same use scenario?
@Mark24XX
2 жыл бұрын
@@miguelzavaleta1911 Xrp is has been around for a decade now and never had any major issues like with eth. Settlement takes 3 to 5 seconds and the fees are fractions of a penny. It uses less energy than a MasterCard or Visa transaction. Xlm is also another good one, cardano as well maybe. It's hard to tell with other ones since they haven't been used at scale yet. Solana is energy efficient too but the network is having scaling issues
@elementaltamago1297
2 жыл бұрын
17:48 The average fee is actually $100 per bitcoin transaction, not $20. The remaining $80 are paid via the creation of new bitcoin, and thus is collectively paid by inflation against the other users of the network. Eventually as fewer bitcoins are created, the transaction fees must make up the difference.
@hamsterjohn
2 жыл бұрын
One the best videos from you yet! IMHO crypto and CBDCs will find use in the future and as the masses are awakened to the poison that is fiat the market will be more crypto-centric (as opposed to CBDCs, which can be easily manipulated/controlled)
@corail53
2 жыл бұрын
Not sure where you have been the last decade but crypto is full of manipulation, controlled by the devs, fraud. You bought the marketing hook line and sinker without thinking. USD is basically a digital asset in its current state and can do transactions in magnitudes faster than any crypto - along with protections for stuff you see everyday in crypto. The only thing keeping it held back is that the banks want fees as that is how they make money - guess what that is the same thing as a gas fee - you are paying for the miners/devs on every transaction and it fluctuates instead of being stable.
@zacharyzoet3046
2 жыл бұрын
I think I will use Boyle's book for the classroom text next semester. 🤔
@NickVetter
2 жыл бұрын
My crypto currency is just another form of financial asset that I hope goes up in value. I'd never spend any of them.
@ryanpatrick4920
2 жыл бұрын
and that is the reason why it is not a good currency, and then why it will not be a good investment. No utility
@NickVetter
2 жыл бұрын
@@ryanpatrick4920 I still think there is utility for a lot of them and the block chain in general
@ryanpatrick4920
2 жыл бұрын
@@NickVetter If you persist in this high risk then I just have a few tips for you to keep in mind. Do not forget your password. If you have a large holding of crypto's, then make sure you leave the access of it in your Last Will and Testament, so that this stored wealth is not lost forever, and can be converted back into real wealth (dollars) by whoever inherits your estate. You have no idea how many BTC are lost forever because so many knowitalls died without disclosing to someone the access to their holdings. BTC claims it has a circulation of 19 million. It is more like 8 to 10 million that are still in circulating existence.
@federicom2801
2 жыл бұрын
OMG MPesa. I remember my builders in africa preferred to be paid with MPesa instead of South Sudanese Pounds because of the volatile exange rate.
@finwalter395
2 жыл бұрын
Scrips are still a thing. Especially Amazon Gift Cards are pretty valuable.
@cgo225
2 жыл бұрын
Really enjoy your videos sir, very much appreciated - thank you!
@freeman.7238
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation as usual. Thank very much.
@julius5256
2 жыл бұрын
I don’t think that crypto will ever be used for anything other than gambling by the wide public. The blockchain also is the biggest weakness of current crypto currencies: If a friend transfers me money I then know his wallet-id and with that I can look up his transactions, not only his current transactions, but also all transactions past and future. I don’t think that most people and certainly no corporations want to be that transparent.
@patrickp992
2 жыл бұрын
The same thing was said about the internet in the early 90's. Nobody could imagine how internet could be useful outside if the geek's circles
@julius5256
2 жыл бұрын
@@patrickp992 But what about the transparency issue?
@refreshist4821
2 жыл бұрын
@@julius5256 could easily be fixed
@julius5256
2 жыл бұрын
@@refreshist4821 how? Isn’t that the core idea of the blockchain?
@nielsbishere
2 жыл бұрын
@@julius5256 monero or secret network solve it.
@tomg5187
2 жыл бұрын
Wow! You are incredible. I have learned so much. Thank you.
@carly09et
2 жыл бұрын
Intresting - money is trust! I would be interested if you looked at Asia - China did a lot of this millena ago, India etc. The view of money is very US centric and that is pretty much the consequences of the Brenton Woods agreement.
@juliana.2120
2 жыл бұрын
Even Satoshi himself could learn something from this Video :) great content as always Mr. Boyle!
@corail53
2 жыл бұрын
Satoshi has literally no sense in how economies worked and BTC in it's current state is nothing like how he envisioned it in the original white papers. The goalposts for what it is keep moving.
@joenichols3901
2 жыл бұрын
Dude. This is an amazing video . Bravo
@stanleyjavin4911
2 жыл бұрын
I realized that the secret to making a million is making better investment. I always tell myself you don't need that new Car or that vacation just yet and that mindset helps me make more money invest:ng. For example last year I invested 70k in blue chip stocks and crypt0 s (with the help of my advisor of course) and made about 380k, but guess what? I put it back and traded with her again and now I'm rounding up close to a million. Delayed gratification always pays off
@stanleyjavin4911
2 жыл бұрын
@Stacy White I found her on a CNBC market interview, so I looked her up and we begun our awesome partnership
@stanleyjavin4911
2 жыл бұрын
+150
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2 жыл бұрын
2273
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2 жыл бұрын
5657
@stanleyjavin4911
2 жыл бұрын
She is Brenda McLean, one of the reputable few professionals around
@no_more_free_nicks
2 жыл бұрын
America as always lags behind, I don't have (and need) a credit card for over 10 years. France is even worse, sometimes they will require checks, without giving you another way to pay, that is mighty annoying.
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