We talked about this tonight on the Wednesday tech talk No reason to prefill the filter Powerstroke Tech Talk With Arod - I'll Cover this on the manufacturers side as well in an upcoming video There is no reason to prefill....you can flood mode the Ford vehicles to pull oil in and prime that way as well I do not prefilled filters it's an old wives tale to do so You have plenty of oil in that engine that is coating the metal still and will not cause any issues starting it without prefilling
@FordBossMe
3 жыл бұрын
Sorry about the little typos, clear flood mode on the gasoline engines is if you have a ignition key after an oil change just hold down the Gas Pedal and turn the key forward as if you're trying to start it and it will temporarily disable the injectors so you can crank over the engine and pull oil into the system If you have a push to start vehicle you have to hold the brake and the gas while pushing the button and let it crank for about four - five seconds and then let go of the gas while still holding the brake in the vehicle start and that will also pre-fill the system for you On the Diesels they don't have clear flood mode so the oil change is done exactly like you did it in this video which is the proper way to do it to keep contaminants out of the system
@alexanderkupke920
3 жыл бұрын
Another take about why it is not necessary to prefill. Most argument for prefilling with sort of "bleeding" the oil system. Well, the filter is positioned in a way that it automatically bleeds itself. And whatever little air remains doesn't matter. Also the filter is behind the oil pump, so it gets pressurized. It may be a different animal if a filter is in front of a pump and you may run into the risk of creating a vacuum in the system and have the pump run dry.
@hanksadventures4132
3 жыл бұрын
Prefill is only something you should do when you have replaced an engine, or after an engine was completely dry. It's an argument I had multiple times with lube techs at valvoline when I had to take company trucks there. The only reason to prefilled is with your break in oil, as it's typically a heavier weight, and prefilled filters allow the oil to reach critical components faster
@kc360awareness
3 жыл бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/sWyDsnh-aayFo6w Here’s CAT expert Josh from the Adept Ape channel weighing in on the subject.
@WattsGemini323
3 жыл бұрын
At my SC we prime the filters for cummins rams never had to prime a powerstroke or durmax though...
@swenbuwalda1310
3 жыл бұрын
Hello Ray. I’m a mecanic at the official dealer of Volvo construction equipment in the Netherlands (SMT) I might have a little tip in how to ceep your hands en elbows clean while unscrewing an oilfilter. When you loosen the filter a little bit, just enough so you can turn in with youre hands. Now it’s time to put a large zip bag around the filter. The leaking oil leaks in the plastic bag and you keep your hands clean. It’s verry simple and once youre used of doing it this way. Youre gonna ask yourself why you didn’t came up with this idea yourself. Greetings from the Netherlands.
@DRPowell
3 жыл бұрын
I use the Walmart bag that I brought the new filter home in!
@robobloxgamer524
3 жыл бұрын
@balddicknosedasscanoe Wow, now I did not know that! I'll try that on my next oil change. LOL
@cb-gz1vl
3 жыл бұрын
@@DRPowell Yes same here. Or a grocery bag.
@flinch622
3 жыл бұрын
All of that is oil draining from the top of the block. If only filters came with a bottom plug to avoid the waterfall effect...
@swenbuwalda1310
3 жыл бұрын
@@flinch622 that would be a great invention. Maybe we should get that pattented. We could make a sh*t load of money so we never get our hands and elbows covered in dirty oil again.
@CarWizard
3 жыл бұрын
Pre-filling filters is useless. Not done in my shop. Most modern Mercedes filters drain back into the crankcase after every shut down. Leaving an empty filter on every start. This does not ruin engines.
@mohitprasher5093
3 жыл бұрын
Car wizard
@robertarchbold8658
3 жыл бұрын
Weeeezard
@bastionwolf
3 жыл бұрын
Funny seeing you here 😂😂
@g_i..
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you wizard for solving this question for me.
@20tea
3 жыл бұрын
Nice hearing it from the wizard! Was curious about this.
@ruediix
2 жыл бұрын
I'm so proud of Ray for not taking this stuff personally. He's a credit to the industry.
@NeutronX101
Жыл бұрын
I love it how you listened to the customer. Confirmed his anger and offered a solution to resolve the problem.
@scpvrr
3 жыл бұрын
Things I like about Ray - thoroughness of explanations - respect for customers, even when difficult - respect for the customers stuff - his Pavlovian response to the shop phone
@johnchristian1205
3 жыл бұрын
And the man is hilarious in some of his comments
@Charlie-zo2nu
2 жыл бұрын
god dammit, we have a small shop with 4 techs and no front desk lady, I hate answering the goddamn shop phone hate it!!!
@tripps54
2 жыл бұрын
And his precisely turned torque elbow.
@DougDingus
2 жыл бұрын
I have been trying to capture an uninterrupted sample of the phone for a ring tone. Ray is quick to make a play on the phone. Haven't scored a good sample yet.
@dewfall56
2 жыл бұрын
Too bad he is all the way down in FL or I’d take my car to him for maintenance and repairs.
@for2utube
3 жыл бұрын
I’ve prefilled my air filters for decades. Nothing you say will change my mind.🤣
@supermansfart
3 жыл бұрын
Somehow the bearing damage of having no oil while the filter primes is preferable to a micron of damage from a potential contaminate using a brand new oil bottle. Will never understand the logic behind that. Keep on keeping on brother.
@gregambrose2566
3 жыл бұрын
I tend to think like you. Especially with those larger oil filters.
@61rampy65
3 жыл бұрын
Apparently, the two comments above me didn't get your (reasonably funny) joke.
@mikekopisz1227
3 жыл бұрын
Just make sure you're lubing with the correct blinker fluid and also always inspect your muffler bearing
@robertfandel9442
3 жыл бұрын
Hard to do when they are mounted horizontally
@ericdolan2130
2 жыл бұрын
One of the most dangerous thought processes, "We've ALWAYS done it that way"... I can honestly say I have almost always done that, guilty as charged. I am smart enough though, to know that when I hear that guys like you, Ford Boss Me, etc., and a major manufacturer say DO NOT do that, then I need to change my way of thinking. Thanks for the education guys, it is much appreciated.
@davidelliott5843
2 жыл бұрын
My car has a small filter that sits on its side. You can’t prefill it even if you wanted to. The good thing is you can loosen it to drain down the bulk and avoid too much mess.
@roythearcher
2 жыл бұрын
I have had the same experience in sports (Bear with me...) when someone says "I've always done it this way", or , "ive done it like this for 20 years!".. My answer as a qualified coach is then you've been doing it wrong for 20 years. But then some just don't to hear that what they've been doing is wrong even when it's from someone qualified to tell them that! Its common sense that when the manufacturer of a product tells you not to perform a specific action with their product then there's a good reason for it!
@wakcedout
2 жыл бұрын
I've never prefilled an oil filter on my vehicles. Never knew it was some manufacturer requirement to do it the way I do, my dad just taught me how and simply putting the new filter on right out of the package was the method I learned.
@JWSmythe
2 жыл бұрын
I was taught to not pre-fill. I haven't seen a shop manual that says to pre-fill. There have been lots of people who are a wealth of 3rd hand knowledge, who say that if you don't pre-fill, the engine will grenade itself, because there's no way that an engine can survive 2 seconds without oil pressure. The same people who never noticed that it takes a second or two for your oil pressure to build up when they start the engine. I'm not exactly sure what their 3rd hand guidance would be on installing a horizontal oil filter. Maybe lift the whole vehicle in a jig, and roll it sideways? :) There is a ton of rumors and folklore about any technology, including cars. I'm sure it started with the best intentions, but doesn't do anything to help in the real world. I've learned a lot of the years, actually reading the whole shop manual for cars I worked on a lot. It sounds stupid, but at some point, I've read how to fix every problem. And I've been taught how to fix most problems. So I'm that guy who can give useful advice, even if it's to not make a mess and don't prefill your oil filter. :) I don't know about his statement of dirty oil getting in the clean oil system, unless the particles were already in the clean oil. It could be an interesting conversation, that won't change anything, other than adding a reason why not to do it.
@cynicalrabbit915
2 жыл бұрын
Ex-military mechanic here. Worked with all kinds of engines. Gas - de-rated Continental Aircraft 4 and 6 cylinder opposed engines. 4 and V6 diesels can't remember the make. Gas 4 cylinder Wisconson. 2 cylinder opposed Onan and 1 cylinder Briggs and Strattons. Most of those had oil filters (the B&S and Onan didn't) we *never* pre-filled oil filters. Even the Gas Turbine engines which will grenade a whole hell of a lot faster than any diesel, due to the fact that they are balanced to a much tighter tolerance also. They had an oil tank you drained, removed the filter housing and R&R the filter and replace the housing, refill the tank run it up to operating speed then add to the tank. Just as you top off the crankcase on any ICE.
@Bartman4800
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ray, I never pre-filled filters because half the time they are on an angle. But now I got the best reason not to do so. You are more than correct about oil cleanliness. I work as an engineer with a company that builds our own tooling. We use a lot of hydraulics. When filling oil I keep on harping to use an oil transfer unit (pump with a 5 micron filter) because even new hydraulic fluid is not clean and hydraulic piston pumps are extremely intolerant of any contamination.
@Atrocities85
2 жыл бұрын
I can't get maintenance when working on hydraulic pumps at work to build, install, or do anything of value in maintenance high pressure pumps. They all think it's just slap stuff together and it's good. while the pump sounds as if it's grinding metal to metal constantly, while seizing up other times. 😂
@goldCrystalhaze
Жыл бұрын
You are right about the hydraulic oil. I worked on a submarine construction programm for the Greek navy, and had a triple stage filtration system, I think it was from parker, if remember correctly. Besides some fine filters, it preheated the oil and run it through a vacuum chamber, to remove moisture in the oil. A Shell oil specialist, told me that a brand new barrel of oil is not considered clean, for the specific purpose we used it, that's why we treated as I said above. As far as concerning the filter prefill, I do it every time, I understand that it goes to the clean side but I don't think that it can cause contamination. It's just my opinion, i don't judge people doing otherwise though.
@albertdecker4247
3 жыл бұрын
I'm 58 years old that grew up on a farm. I have performed hundreds and hundreds of oil changes on my own and others vehicles. Both diesel and gas. And I have never prefilled a filter. I also have never revved a motor like a madman when starting it up after an oil change. I wait until the pressure is up and the light goes out or the gauge comes up. I then get out and look for leaks still before revving the engine. I can honestly say I have never had an oil related engine failure since I changed oil regularly and often. Small price to pay. We have diesels that have run for thousands and thousands of hours. There is still a running Oliver at my parents place that may have 30,000 hrs on it. The meter broke in the 70's at 18,000. I've never heard anyone talk about this until seeing it on the internet and as the person below says. "The internet doesn't build engines" The one place that I will fill a filter is the fuel filter on a diesel engine. Growing up on a farm with diesel equipment this is a regular occurrence. Yes, you are right and it is possible you are introducing some contaminants to the fuel system (especially on a farm), but diesels hate to run out of fuel and getting the air out can be a real bitch. I believe this method is taught in diesel mechanics school and I know in the military it is in at least some of the service manuals. Maybe this is where the internet folks saw the diesel fuel being filled and they decided to follow suit.
@beboboymann3823
3 жыл бұрын
Actually, your diesel fuel high pressure fuel pump can be taken out by a particle of grime way smaller than any dust particle that might possibly be in a factory quart or gallon container of oil. Engine bearings do have a certain amount of particle encapsulation ability into the soft bearing material. Injector pumps do not. Many oil time mechanics will tell you to open a fresh quart of automatic transmission fluid and fill the new diesel fuel filters for start up.they feel that’s cleaner than a glass bottle found laying in the shop and used for filling a fuel filter. Me? I prefill my oil filters out of the processors’ containers and my diesel fuel filters out of a clean glass measuring cup from our kitchen cupboard. No issues in over 50 years doing it like this. Hang on to the Oliver. Watch Wes Work would advise the same.
@jimcub22
3 жыл бұрын
The people who own cars today most have no idea what’s under the bonnet, so when forced to do maintenance have not a clue what to do or how to do it so they fuddle along.
@DefinitelyNotMyRealName
3 жыл бұрын
tldr
@wkroutz
3 жыл бұрын
The trick with a diesel is to fit the filter first then pump fuel through it then close the lines once the air is burped out
@tellrowland2370
3 жыл бұрын
Caterpillar and power stroke hpop systems have a Siphon style hpop pump. If you do a full change including the hpop reservoir, and don't prime the filter, the pump will burn up before it can suck enough oil to the injectors.... Found that out the hard way. I prime any vertically mounted filter now. Not like it's difficult.
@mikehunt8563
2 жыл бұрын
Ray, I wish there were more knowledgeable and level headed people like you in this world, what a wonderful world this would be !
@jonathanwright7991
2 жыл бұрын
There are. Check out... anyone else's KZitem channel.
@roy2689
2 жыл бұрын
I'm sure there's a song in there somewhere🤔
@solidcobalt
2 жыл бұрын
Been saying it for years; calm and level explanations with 'show and tell' method involved (pictures or physically bringing the customer out to show them issues on the vehicle) will almost always deescalate potentially bad situations and usually earn the trust of a customer back and keep them coming back.
@Straight_White_Fatherly_Figure
2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes it sucks, because then that customer starts to request you and now you have to deal with them every time they need service 😅
@oceanbytez847
2 жыл бұрын
@@Straight_White_Fatherly_Figure well thats bc there are so many shitty mechanics out there. Hell one tried to scam my wife in the minutes before i arrived to pick her up. She needed routine maintenence and they were trying to talk her into a full suspension job but, presented no evidence and used only fear tactics in the sales pitch like "Your wheels are just gonna fly off on the interstate" and other similar threats. The moment i started asking for proof the work needed to be done they panicked and backed down. When i finally argued enough to see the mechanic in person he denied he ever recommended the repairs. It was rather comical seeing the blame game.
@Straight_White_Fatherly_Figure
2 жыл бұрын
@@oceanbytez847 completely understandable. Im in the HVAC business myself, im sure you've heard a lot about us 😅 though, i personally do not fit the more common representation of the "sales technicians" that are out there. Im a service technician, and im as honest as can be. I take pictures and videos to prove my work. In turn, most of the work that i do is for customers who request me through my company, and my company acknowledges/pays me accordingly.
@recentlychanged
2 жыл бұрын
@@oceanbytez847 It took a while, but my widowed daughter finally found an honest and competent independent repair shop. Before that she got constantly hosed by the name-brand tire shop for things like "fuel injection flushes", "air filter relines", and other rip-offs that made no sense. I kept telling her "if it's not in your owner's manual, it's not needed". But their scare tactics kept getting the best of her. My advice to everyone is, stay away from national franchised chains.
@crpth1
2 жыл бұрын
@@recentlychanged- Yep! Most franchised run a business model that induce and invite that kind of situation! Usually not good for the customer. Curious example with a colleague. Male and as funny as it can be, he happens to be a mechanical engineer. So it's not so "blind" regarding mechanical work and is not the stereo type lone girl! While waiting for a small and totally unrelated repair on his vehicle. The manager comes by and literally dump on is lap, a list of "must do very urgent jobs". The kind of jobs if you don't do it... OMG! You'll crash & burn on the next curve! That style of approach! LOL 😂 Well, long story short! They would have to rebuild the entire rear brake system ASAP. It was about to disintegrate into oblivion! etc, etc. But following the trend of very crappy professionals they forgot to check their OWN records!! My colleague reached the glove box and pulled out the invoice from their last intervention on his vehicle, about a month prior. How sarcastic, the job included PRECISELY rear brakes full rebuild! LOL 😂 When deceiving/scamming a client, AT LEAST make your "homework" and get a plausible story! Just saying! ;-)
@sgfurio07
2 жыл бұрын
About the priming of a new oil filter, I'm with you. I've been in the automotive industry for over 25years over here in Denmark, albeit on the admin side of the garage. I've never had a tech that had practiced prefilling an oil filter. Your explanation is spot on. Enjoy your vids, keep up the great work
@DrMurdercock
Жыл бұрын
I have never even heard about that until he mentioned it. Some people actually thing that's what you do? So weird.
@RipliWitani
3 ай бұрын
You've never worked with massive oil filters where the manufacture will void warranty if you don't.
@Mavis308
3 жыл бұрын
Being a automotive technician for 22 years, never pre-filled an oil filter while doing oil changes.
@rusty4252
3 жыл бұрын
amen to that brother, doing it the right way.
@scottyellis3442
3 жыл бұрын
Good to know, learn something new everyday. Neither will I from now on.
@crpth1
2 жыл бұрын
@Jeff B- Have YOU started many cars, with oil pressure already in the system??!! For goodness sake, when clueless about a subject please avoid comments! IF in doubt, please install a good old oil gauge and OBSERVE. How the pressure in a non running engine is exactly zero! EVERY single time. It really don't matter which car brand, or if it's gas or diesel. When you cold start them, the pressure read ZERO! ;-)
@Birdman_in_CLE
3 жыл бұрын
If there is that much silicone outside the pan, I wonder how many chunks have flaked off inside and are now lodged in passages
@rusty4252
3 жыл бұрын
yeah, really makes you think. Usually when you go to the dealership, you pay a premium for them to do it the "right way" and use oem parts. But instead they just slapped way too much RTV all over it and called it good.
@Arros-wv5ln
3 жыл бұрын
@@rusty4252 I did a oil pan and a transmission pan for a friend with RTV and no leaks. You just need to follow the instructions but to be fair I did go to a mechanic school so I knew what I was doing
@manicmasterofmetal2620
3 жыл бұрын
Yes "silicone worms" inside an engine can block journals and other vital components in an engine and cause premature failure. I was taught by an old mechanic 30 years ago to never use silicone sealant as a gasket.
@Birdman_in_CLE
3 жыл бұрын
@@manicmasterofmetal2620 it is used by the manufacturer in many cases for engines, and it is the only method for replacement since there are no gaskets made. The key is to do it right. Follow directions of how large of a nozzle hole, where on the mating surface to put it, how long to let it sit before assembly. Heck some even want it tightened a certain amount, wait x minutes or hours and then final torque. It is a revolutionary sealer, just gotta use the right one and do it the right way.
@mikelemoine4267
3 жыл бұрын
I thought the same thing. The pick up tube likely has some boogers hanging from it:-)
@Peterson2878
3 жыл бұрын
One thing I have always found while changing oil and doing services on my Peterbilt is that you can save yourself a mess on diesel trucks by punching a hole in your filter before taking it off!
@Goultek
3 жыл бұрын
I do that when possible, but makes a mess also
@ravioliravioligivemethefor5882
3 жыл бұрын
@@Goultek yeah but it's easier to to have a controlled spill coming out of the bottom of the filter than it coming from the top and coating the filter
@JacobWinkle
3 жыл бұрын
Or you can just get the filter loose and put a grocery bag around the filter and spin off the filter. All the oil goes in the bag as you spin. Nice and clean.
@fightinggator4398
3 жыл бұрын
I drill a hole in my 7.3s
@tikofthetoka5650
3 жыл бұрын
@@JacobWinkle cool, gonna try that this week
@Llohr
2 жыл бұрын
For anybody who feels that oil filters _must_ be pre-filled: Try that with my Subaru. The filter is mounted to the top of the engine and screws down.
@sgtjonzo
2 жыл бұрын
The only time I pre fill filters is if we’ve just freshly built the engine, just so it can pick up oil pressure a little quicker, and that’s only if it’s possible
@Clearanceman2
2 жыл бұрын
Older subarus have the oil filter pointing down. But even if it's sideways you can prefill. If you wait five minutes the filter media absorbs a lot of it and it would work upside down too not that much would come out if you wait five minutes.
@shaun9156
7 ай бұрын
@@sgtjonzo that's what assembly lube is for...
@petergarofolo9385
3 жыл бұрын
Welcome back Ray. Hope your feeling way better. You were sorely missed. Just take it slow and easy. 👍👍
@61rampy65
3 жыл бұрын
A far superior comment, compared to the idiotic comment at the top.
@dieseltech01
2 жыл бұрын
Save yourself the mess, drain the old oil filter before pulling it. Take an old punch and sharpen it up to a point. Use the point to knock a hole in the bottom of the old oil filter and let it drain while you’re draining the crankcase. Then when you pull the (pre-drained) oil filter there’s no mess when the seal lets loose from the filter gasket surface. (Heavy truck mechanic, 19 years)
@TheSaltyExplorer
2 жыл бұрын
Phillips head screwdriver and a deadblow hammer work too. Works for punching a drain hole, and can also function as a handle to loosen it 👌
@mannys9130
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheSaltyExplorer tool abuse. My tools are tools and I use screwdrivers for unholy things often, but why do that when my punch is 2 drawers away and is meant just for this purpose? I don't know why anyone would wear their screwdriver tip instead. Phillips already have cam out issues. Wearing the tip by punching metal? That'll make it worse.
@TheSaltyExplorer
2 жыл бұрын
@@mannys9130 sure, if you have one and it’s easily accessible, then use a punch if you want. I preferred a cheap Chinese screwdriver for diesel oil filter service, and saved the good ones for their intended purpose. It’s not that serious.
@MrHBSoftware
2 жыл бұрын
it will be dripping all afternoon plus very often on metal filters it can leave a sharp edge around the hole and it will cut you
@TheSaltyExplorer
2 жыл бұрын
@@MrHBSoftware never had that problem. Punch a hole in the bottom, drains for a minute. Take preferred tool and punch through the side and use as a handle to loosen. Bust your hand on the oil pan enough times when your filter wrench slips, and then try my method and let me know how it goes. I’ve probably done at least 1000 diesel oil filters this way now, maybe more. I learned from a Ford Master Diesel Tech back in 2002, been doing it this way ever since. Never once cut my hands on an oil filter, but then again, I don’t have soft little vagina hands either 🤷♂️
@speed150mph
2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact. I’m a heavy duty mechanic, who now works on locomotive engines. The first time ever I saw a manufacturer instruct in a maintenance manual to prefill an oil filter was the turbocharger lube filter on an EMD engine. Because despite the fact the turbo is a precisely machined component that rotates up to 20,000 rpm, they are more worried about it spinning for a couple seconds with no oil then dirty oil. Luckily I don’t have to buy an $73,000 turbo if it blows up so I just follow the book
@therealnynetynyne360
2 жыл бұрын
Always follow manufacturers recommended and your ass is covered.
@DrRussian
2 жыл бұрын
to be fair, that turbo running a few seconds at 20,000 rpm without oil is likely to do more damage than the small-ish risk that prefilling contains
@awsomegamer8277
2 жыл бұрын
@@DrRussian not really all the components are still coated in oil there’s still plenty of oil there it only gets dangerous when you run it for a long period without any oil, an engine can safely run for about 5 minutes without oil (unless it’s new and has never had any oil) it’s only a problem when you run it for a longer then a couple of minutes and all the oil runs off the parts
@awsomegamer8277
2 жыл бұрын
@@DrRussian plus the tiniest piece of metal (ex: something smaller then the thickness of tinfoil in width and length can make a bearing stick, and seize the whole engine)
@RRaucina
2 жыл бұрын
My Deere engines say to pull the injection pump fuse and crank for 10 seconds to lube the turbo and fill the filters.
@roberthunter6927
Жыл бұрын
I guess the rationale for pre-filling oil filters is to make sure the bearings get oil more quickly from the oil journals, but there is always some residual oil there anyway, unless you drain the oil for weeks or something. Also with some vehicles like Ford ranger, you will lose the priming on the oil pump if you don't refill within about 10 minutes. I think Ray's ideas make more sense. That is what the oil filter is there for anyway, to make sure the oil does not circulate contaminated.
@i5sproductions
2 жыл бұрын
I subbed for the cut where you zoomed into the pan when it was leaking on the floor while you were talking.. Laughed my ass off
@ubertalldude
2 жыл бұрын
So much suspense!
@ckmoore101
2 жыл бұрын
Its the little things....
@debrastarke3996
2 жыл бұрын
The reason to prefill oil filters is to prevent oil starvation to the main bearings making the knocking noise go away sooner and oil light go off faster, especially on older and high mileage vehicles, it is a noticeable difference compared to not prefilling
@garethgriffin9892
2 жыл бұрын
I’m most cases if the correct oil is used you won’t have an issue if you don’t prefill. Oil is still sitting in and around the bearings so the split second or two it takes for the oil to pump through the engine will keep the bearings safe. But I do understand how you feel but it’s never really necessary to prefill
@MrVolksbeetle
3 жыл бұрын
Me and my ex boss had an argument about filling oil filters and torque specs. His argument about the 'dry' run time being significantly lower than just spinning the filter on was his go to and that oil filters did not have a torque spec. I proceeded to laugh at him and challenge him to show me ANY manufacturer's recommendation for a filter pre-fill and that the 3/4 turn after seal contact was indeed a torque spec. Couple days later, he tries to tell me that he'd found 'a thread' on the internet and I stopped him right there. "I specifically said manufacturer, last I checked the internet doesn't build cars". He got all pissed off and didn't talk to me for the rest of the day. I love winning arguments that way.
@Giovanni_Litterini
3 жыл бұрын
The only thing I could fight you with is that on a 6.0/6.4 powerstroke the filter cap does have a torque spec but that is for the filter cap not the filter it self. I think its funny when you asked for manufacture info he started stateing info from a Q&A chat room/form what an asshat
@MrVolksbeetle
3 жыл бұрын
@@Giovanni_Litterini He is/was for sure. What I forgot to mention is that he also likes to use a filter wrench to install oil filters. Like over a full turn past seal contact. The irony being that he was trying to lecture me on torque specs while cranking the hell out of the filter he was installing.
@JohnHill-qo3hb
3 жыл бұрын
Best place for your ex boss is behind his desk doin boss shit and staying the hell out of the shop.
@MrVolksbeetle
3 жыл бұрын
@@JohnHill-qo3hb Well, he is my ex boss.
@DefinitelyNotMyRealName
3 жыл бұрын
The Cummins filters are marked. A B C D. Contact at D, turn to C. Some people.
@thetommygexperience5038
2 жыл бұрын
Love your videos. I appreciate the tips and the views of how you are doing the work. Also enjoy "click", "gravity", "reverse click", "do-di-do", and "loud noises". Very entertaining as well as informative.
@SocketSilver
2 жыл бұрын
Copyright strike. Lumens. Beeeeuuu. Duga dugs. Just added some more. Like you, his videos are great.
@skid902
2 жыл бұрын
Poppen zee hood…..lol😄
@joshuabushard7432
2 жыл бұрын
Lol, have started catching myself doing some of them when doing maintenance or repairs on my and my wife's vehicles, lol, usually followed by "daggum it, Ray!"
@jamesanderson3009
3 жыл бұрын
An honest mechanic gets good tips where as a dishonest mechanic gives all of us a bad reputation…I’ve been a mechanic for over 24yrs . Good job 👍
@jwarmstrong
3 жыл бұрын
Many mechanics are felons or drug users who can't pass a urine test or background check - so how honest are they ?
@oddlyrightoddlyright2475
3 жыл бұрын
@@jwarmstrong just the ones that apparently you go to…
@thatbostondude5660
3 жыл бұрын
@@jwarmstrong Judging from this comment I'm assuming you couldn't pass a urine test either.
@DeUnoReverseKaart
3 жыл бұрын
@@thatbostondude5660 That, and he probably drives a piece of shit car that never gets maintenance. So he only goes to a garage when its already broken beyond (normal) repair (costs) and the big fat repair bill is the mechanics fault and not his.
@josephtober9417
3 жыл бұрын
@@jwarmstrong Where did you get your data from? Your buddies that are felons and drug users like you?
@johnaclark1
3 жыл бұрын
Glad to see you back! Agree on the pre-filling of oil filters. One tip I read in a Honda Service News article was to not break open the plastic on the business end of the filter but, instead, open it on the bottom/closed end of the filter and peel it off toward the open end. That prevents small pieces of plastic from possibly dropping into the center/clean side of the filter. Apparently, Honda had done some analysis of failed engines and found plastic in the engine they attributed to the plastic filter packaging that are on all OE Honda oil filters.
@BigWheel.
3 жыл бұрын
I've heard the same thing.
@19johndeere90
3 жыл бұрын
I've heard of a failed engine because someone forgot to removed said plastic from filter, just screwed it on. if it was that common of an issue for Honda, I wonder why they still have plastic on their filters to began with. most manufactures i deal with they all have their individual boxes
@aaronunrue7274
3 жыл бұрын
I used to be a Honda tech. Its true what you said about removing the plastic wrapper from the bottom of the filter.
@LA_Commander
3 жыл бұрын
I prefer to buy filters without any plastic wrap on them. Why risk engine damage?
@nigelcox1451
3 жыл бұрын
@@LA_Commander If it is just in a box, without any plastic, it could contain all sorts of tiny contaminants. Having said that, I've never had a wrapped filter, every one I've ever fitted was loose in a box, so as long as we handle them cleanly, the risk is low. Should we check inside to ensure there's no mouse inside, before fitting.
@richardhessert7862
2 жыл бұрын
Been changing oil for my cars cars for 40 plus years and never heard about pre-filling the filters so I'm on your side Ray!
@vlogress11c81
2 жыл бұрын
They used to say only diesel oil filters need to be done that way where I’m from. I’ve worked in a few shops over the years and they’re all finally getting away from doing it. I never do it. One reason why is what ray explained and 2 it can cause a huge mess. If you slip and drop that filter there goes a quart of oil everywhere.
@Yhrim70
2 жыл бұрын
I've only prefilled an oil filter a couple times on one or two vehicles. Haven't done it for years now. But Really Glad you explained why you Should *Not* prefill an oil filter. And that makes perfect sense too. Thank Ray for Pointing this out and explaining the "why" behind it. Love tips like this. Just found you channel a few weeks ago, and really enjoy it. Great Channel!
@raterus
3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad to see that you, "the professional", have the same issues I have when it comes to changing the oil without making a mess.
@scottjackson1636
3 жыл бұрын
Transmission fluid changes are so much worse lol.
@CumminsTech24
3 жыл бұрын
@@scottjackson1636 Most vehicles they are super easy. Haven’t really ran into any of them being difficult. Now if you talking removing the trans then the 09’ Ford Edge takes the cake. Those are absolutely horrible to install.
@juniorizq2342
3 жыл бұрын
Lol noobs. Use a punch on the bottom of the filter and let it drain then remove
@tonycarthan6425
2 жыл бұрын
oil drain plug seemed to be extra difficult coming out and going in.!! Great job as always Ray. I wish all technicians had your work ethic. welcome back to work.
@and1chewy1
2 жыл бұрын
Was a Ford right? Always seems to come out tough don't know why
@HackHunter1835
2 жыл бұрын
Ive used a ratchet to remove oil drain plugs for 40+ years. Watching him use a wrench was painful to watch. Was it bcuz the plug was so tight?
@magenate1
2 жыл бұрын
@@HackHunter1835 that spiked my anxiety to no end watching him fumble with that ridiculous wrench!
@lopaka76
2 жыл бұрын
13:10 I heard once "Just because you have been doing something for along time and you never had anything go wrong, doesn't mean you were doing it right." Whenever I change my oil, I just rub the rim of the filter with old oil and put the plug in and add my new oil.
@thebumlifeferlife1278
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for convincing everybody else that I'm right. Re-prefilling that oil filter will probably cause more damage than if I go in with a unfilled filter. The purpose of the filter is to clean the contaminants not to fill up with fresh oil and the contaminants can't come out. Thank you again for pointing that out.
@Kyrazlan
2 жыл бұрын
I love how you present your arguments objectively. I've never prefilled filters. Never even knew it was a thing but your explanation of the filters order of functions makes perfect sense.
@brandonvalls5250
2 жыл бұрын
Being the type of person who when the check engine light comes on, pops the hood and stares at the engine thinking "yep, that is indeed an engine." I would like to thank you, for teaching me something new.
@AstrosElectronicsLab
2 жыл бұрын
LOL!
@Bendigo1
2 жыл бұрын
A friend of mine drives a Volvo truck, one day he got a light on the dash that said warn engine... So he gets out, lifts the hood, points at the engine in a menacing manner and says "listen here engine, I am warning you! this better be the last time i have to warn you!"
@adamdickenson9635
3 жыл бұрын
Glad you're back, and actually like the explanation of not prefilling the filter. I've done my oil changes on my truck for YEARSSSS and always prefill but your explanation makes perfect sense.
@markredf150
3 жыл бұрын
I'd contemplated pre-filling in the past but I was always afraid that even that little extra oil would drown the system so I never did it. Plus with my luck I would have dropped the filter and spilled it all over myself. And for cars that have filters that face to the side, it makes less sense to do so.
@njsongwriter
3 жыл бұрын
@@markredf150 It's not extra oil. Whatever goes into the filter should be subtracted from the total capacity. That only makes sense. However, better not to prefill per the reason given in this video, unless you can avoid filling into the center hole. Good luck with that.
@DEVIL666wtf
3 жыл бұрын
Still guna prefill
@Puggy42069
3 жыл бұрын
It doesn’t make sense! He’s worried about “contamination” from the oil being poured into the filter. But the oil filter could be “contaminated” from the factory, whatever contamination means to him. Not to mention the oil you pour in the engine is going into the filter anyway, so why be concerned? If you critically think about what he said it makes no sense and just sounds like an excuse to do less work.
@markredf150
3 жыл бұрын
@@Puggy42069 Well if the manufacturer says not to do it, then I think you should follow that recommendation
@kayciekyte
2 жыл бұрын
Man... I ❤️ your content. I've worked for Advance for 6 years. When I started, I knew the basics and plus some thanks to my husband. But it's men (and ladies) like you that has helped me learn more than I ever thought I would & still learning about vehicles. People that are willing to take the time to share their knowledge with others and not make someone feel incompetent just because they don't understand something. I learn better being shown how to do a task while learning tips and tricks to prevent damage or what to out watch for. We have videos to watch for information at work but it's like watching robots read a script. I'm a firm believer in learning from mistakes so when videos show everything going right... just ain't right in itself. Bottom line... thank you for these videos that help me help my customers better and for your awesome personality my man!
@brblum
2 жыл бұрын
@Peter Angles That comment wasn't helpful in the least. Frankly, after the lady's polite gratitude to Ray, yours was rude. 🙄
@spankbuda7466
2 жыл бұрын
Just men and ladies? What about us non binaries? Have we not help you out?!
@leecox1513
Жыл бұрын
@@spankbuda7466 What's your point?
@roaddog7542
3 жыл бұрын
Learned my oil filter gasket lesson on my first change years ago. Oil started dripping after startup. The gasket had come off the old filter and I didn't notice. Lesson learned.
@namoric
3 жыл бұрын
Same on my wifes car. Blew oil EVERY where. Took me two days to clean it all off.
@jameshampton3969
3 жыл бұрын
@Albo alt That is what my dad taught me. I always wipe off the mating/gasket/machined surface and put NEW/FRESH oil on the filter gasket/seal before installing an oil filter.
@johnjones4825
3 жыл бұрын
I think that has happened to a lot of us. Not so common (or is it?) is forgetting to replace the drain plug....it has happened to me twice in my 30 years of turning nuts. Nice mess to clean up.
@JohnHill-qo3hb
3 жыл бұрын
Glad you're back Ray, we are all happy to get our daily dose of mechanical zen.
@Alexander_l322
2 жыл бұрын
I always pre fill my pollen filter before I fit it so it has air already inside it to lubricate the climate control system instead of having it run dry with no air for a few seconds. I’ve never had an issue with premature vent wear by doing it this way.
@miah9398
2 жыл бұрын
Same. It will still filter out cuz it fills up no matter what you do pre fill or not it does the same thing its intended for
@Nic7320
2 жыл бұрын
I bet your wife doesn't agree on that last part.
@Alexander_l322
2 жыл бұрын
@@Nic7320 neither does your wife.
@shamanosarcasm9800
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the explanation about prefilled filters. It's something I've always done on my gas engine vehicles. My newer diesel has 3 filters: water/fuel separator filter, fuel filter, and oil filter, all which get changed when an oil change is done (by me, dealership is 3X cost of materials alone). Thanks for the science lesson!!!
@1gerard47
Жыл бұрын
Don't do it ever,slap your hand 😂
@DaveRyan1974
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly I feel like I learned something because I was taught by my stepdad who was a really good mechanic and that's just what I've always been doing all these years but I absolutely agree with you. but I didn't know which side was the clean side so it makes perfect sense I'm going to do it your way from now on thanks I learned something today!
@KentuckyRanger
3 жыл бұрын
I've changed the oil in all my vehicles, since I was 16, and have NEVER pre-filled an oil filter... My father taught me how to change the oil when I was 12. He was a mechanic in the Air Force, and he said that was the way they taught him, LOL! Glad you're back at it!!!
@rhettbaldwin8320
2 жыл бұрын
He's shopping around to find out who will pay him for it, he probably fucked it up himself. Why else would he come to you when you when you last touched the truck over a year ago before taking it back to the dealership where they attempted a repair for an oil leak a couple of months ago?
@ddocspeck
2 жыл бұрын
I highly doubt that the truck owner had it serviced at a dealer. Most dealers would install/use dealer products AND would install a proper oil pan gasket; dealers would not install CarQuest filters and use RTV sealant. I think the truck owner did the pan and filter himself and was , indeed, trying to pin the blame on THIS repair shop.
@MakeAWishMike
2 жыл бұрын
@@ddocspeck on those trucks, the lower oil pan does not have an actual gasket. Most modern oil pans (at least on ford vehicles) use high temp RTV for the seal, as most of the smaller vehicles have plastic pans that scratch easily, and the silicone fills those imperfections. And as for a source, I am a ford tech, so it’s straight from the ford PTS/OASIS shop manual
@MakeAWishMike
2 жыл бұрын
@@ddocspeck plus, a lot of dealers service more than just one brand, and rather than putting say a mopar/acdelco filter on a ford vehicle, they buy generic, cheap filters to cover everything and not stir the pot. My dealer used to do this and would buy FVP filters, but have changed their attitude and now preach “a ____ dealership servicing a ____ vehicle should use a factory brand filter”
@tonybasilio7003
2 жыл бұрын
Assumptions cansure make a smart guys look silly. The issue with the second oil filter seal was real and the company shouldn’t have charged any fees for the oil change.
@johnme7049
2 жыл бұрын
@@MakeAWishMike Yep, my KIA dealer told me Kia would likely reject any engine warrenty claim if it didn't have a Kia oil filter on it.
@robertnichols6911
2 жыл бұрын
I've been driving now for 42 yrs and I have never pre-filled an oil filter, it's nice to know about the contamination side of it & that I was right for all these yrs. Excellent videos by the way, keep them coming, oh no gravity
@chrish7336
2 жыл бұрын
My dad a Mechanic for many years never prefilled filters, so i never did either. I just never knew why.
@gregeoryl
3 жыл бұрын
thanks for the tip on prefilling. I have always prefilled, but never thought about me pre filtering my oil at work, but not at home. New oil is not perfect.
@Rudy97
2 жыл бұрын
New oil in a sealed bottle is perfect. If you buy bulk in a drum then maybe it could be a bit dirty but new oil in a sealed can from a reputable manufacturer is perfect.
@jlbush8249
2 жыл бұрын
The chances of contamination in a new oil bottle is slim to none. No more than a change of contaminates in the new filter. Therefore, pre-fill the filter.
@jayboyd3260
2 жыл бұрын
I have 20 years as a technician and have never pre-filled a filter. 2 things I would suggest is draining the old filter by using a small punch at the bottom. The second thing is don't puncture the plastic wrap on the filter by pushing it in the hole. I just had to replace a ford f150 5.0 engine because my lube tech pushed the plastic into the hole causing a small part of it to stay inside the filter. Needless to say bad things happened.
@jamesh6229
3 жыл бұрын
First day back of work "deal with his irate customer" and they make you crawl around on the floor? Do you leave and the place falls apart? Glad you're feeling better and back to work Ray. 👍
@shawnmansfield4299
2 жыл бұрын
I started working on cars when I was 11 with my stepdad. He was a Union 76 mechanic and he never pre filled oil filters and I've extended the engine life on every vehicle I've owned.
@goodmanboattransport3441
2 жыл бұрын
Speaking of small micron size contaminates, I understand your point, but typical oil filters only filter to 5 or 10 microns, so a 2 or 3 micron particle isn't getting filtered out anyway. Quality control is key with oil procedures and if your oil in the bottle has shmoo in it, might I recommend switching brands to a better QC oil?
@budlanctot3060
2 жыл бұрын
Most oil filters have a nominal 30 micron rating. Higher end filters are 20 micron nominal. If you want finer filtration I think you have to go to a much more elaborate dual filter system with one as a bypass filter.
@garrhettmckain3120
2 жыл бұрын
Ray: thanks man for your videos! My dad showed me how to fix a few things growing up, but I really learned trying to make it through college with a 98 XJ, a Haynes book, youtube, and a craftsman socket set. Now I can't let go of the jeep and I work on it for fun. I really like the "detective work" you do. Reminds me of my job as a nurse when patients tell you one thing, another nurse tells you something else, but when you walk in the room, you see something different than either has told you. Love the mysteries and seeing the things you notice. Keep it up
@jackbower8671
2 жыл бұрын
Another XJ owner here. Got a 90 2dr and a 98 4dr
@gunlubetv6297
3 жыл бұрын
I prefill my filters, 1 micron containments get past all automotive oil filters that can range from 30-10 micron. Which captive 30-10 larger microns, but what you need is oil pressure for a plain bearing to work or also known as a FLUID bearing. They rely on oil PRESSURE to keep the the object in motion on a coat of oil. I also play with oil viscosity, when it is summer I run a higher cSt or viscosity to for the heat versus the winter I tend to run a thinner oil for start up and colder temperatures. Oil will thin out from high heat. After 180 degree oil cooks and breaks down, keep it below that.
@gregoryfrech2310
3 жыл бұрын
If you use old style oil then yes it breaks down after about 1500 miles; Mobile1 essentially never breaks down but will accumulate dirt/particles; that's the only reason to change it.. Also, Mobile1 engineers say you can use 0-20 in any engine. The lower the viscosity the less resistance. If your engine is already worn then you might need higher viscocity to maintain compression. This is a controversial topic, eh?
@einfelder8262
2 жыл бұрын
@@gregoryfrech2310 I used Mobil 1 in my Isuzu Jackaroo/Trooper V6 engine once, after the warranty expired. The damn thing rattled like a cold diesel immediately. Drained that shiz out and put real oil back in, no problem engine as smooth as silk. at 150,000k only 4 of the lifter shims needed 1 thou adjustment. My chosen oil is Penrite, Aussie goodness, at whatever viscosity recommended for whatever engine I'm using. Lower viscosity does not suit everything.
@revert2625
Жыл бұрын
Fascinating! Thank you for the filter intel. Logically, one thinks a wet filter results in primed system. However, there’s always residual oil inside. I can see why Cat discourages the wet filter process as Cummins and Paccar motors seldom outlive factory warranty while my Cat is now at 1.1 million with zero neeed for internal attention.
@ErikKruijswijk
3 жыл бұрын
Welcome back Ray. Good to see you've overcome the virus.
@stevenlatham4397
3 жыл бұрын
I’m so glad your back...Gotta love diesels, that oil didn’t have 30 seconds of run time and was already black lol
@jamesplotkin4674
3 жыл бұрын
I'm also glad his back ;-) I think we all mean we're glad you're back.
@clintonkirker5154
3 жыл бұрын
I have a 1 micron bypass oil filter and the oil still turns black. Oil samples are our friend with Diesel engines.
@Francois_Dupont
3 жыл бұрын
@@clintonkirker5154 you dont have a hour meter?
@clintonkirker5154
3 жыл бұрын
@@Francois_Dupont technically yes, but most otr diesel operators don’t plan oil changes based on hours. I change my oil every 40,000-60,000 miles depending on my average mpg, outside temperature, terrain I’ve driven and oil sampling.
@sdrape4964
3 жыл бұрын
"You just changed my oil" Yeah. A year and a half ago. Also, notice the oil change required light come on when he started it...
@superdutyscaler6823
3 жыл бұрын
That was a low windshield washer fluid icon
@superdutyscaler6823
3 жыл бұрын
At 18:26 he also says I filled up the blue water
@sdrape4964
3 жыл бұрын
Nope. At 0:31 it says oil change required. Right after the washer fluid icon popped up.
@AntonioClaudioMichael
2 жыл бұрын
Atleast the customer calmed down and was appreciative of the information you gave and the hole story came out was at dealership few months before for a oil leak and they just pan slapped gasket maker on lower pan without fixing the upper pan leak @Rainman Ray's Repairs
@donwarren76
2 жыл бұрын
I thought I was meticulous when I changed oil. Thank you for improving my game.
@Wyowanderer
2 жыл бұрын
Same. If I just listen, I can learn.
@spelunkerd
2 жыл бұрын
You've got a way of making even an oil change entertaining. I loved the remark about why prefilling on the clean side may be a mistake. I think the critical thing is to do the change when engine is warm, so that oil is already coating those bearings when first started after the change. That way, there is no starvation for oil in the vulnerable few seconds when air is cleared from the filter.
@jasonsong86
2 жыл бұрын
Oil will always coat the parts regardless hot or cold.
@inawrocki207
2 жыл бұрын
@@jasonsong86 Right? Are you cold starting after it has sat for 26 years or something?? Lol
@colemeyer1131
2 жыл бұрын
I think people seriously under estimate how fast modern day engines build oil pressure. Yes, on a completely cold engine that's been sitting for multiple days there may not be oil in a particular spot, but it only takes 2-3 seconds for oil pressure to build and oil to get to those spots. Going that 2-3 seconds without oil is not going to damage the engine in any significant way. There will always be some amount of oil coating engine components. It would takes months for every drop of oil to drain down into the pan and leave a completely dry engine.
@ragetobe
2 жыл бұрын
He didn’t say it may be a mistake, he gave you reasons why you shouldn’t do it and pointed out exactly why it is a mistake to pre fill, there is always going to be one who tries to argue regardless.
@IstasPumaNevada
2 жыл бұрын
I've sometimes prefilled oil filters on my car because I heard it was marginally better. But now, hearing we have debatable marginal benefit vs. potential rather severe and expensive damage, I won't be trying to fill them anymore. Thanks for the heads up. Especially easy advice to take since it's also easier to do. :D
@jlbush8249
2 жыл бұрын
The chances of contamination in a new oil bottle is slim to none. No more than a change of contaminates in the new filter. Therefore, pre-fill the filter.
@drrichardpaul
2 жыл бұрын
@@jlbush8249 No, don't prefill the filter, because there are also other things that can go wrong. For example, you can overfill the oil and cause extensive pressure that you shouldn't have. Contaminates are just one of several reasons not to prefill.
@jlbush8249
2 жыл бұрын
@@drrichardpaul There are no contaminates in new oil. Additionally, your owners manual will state how much oil is required with a new filter change so you don't overfill.
@MagTony357
2 жыл бұрын
@@drrichardpaul that makes no sense, how would you over fill when it takes the same amount? You just know how much the filter holds then subtract from what it needs pretty easy
@mannys9130
2 жыл бұрын
@@jlbush8249 Go ahead, risk your engine. I'm intelligent, therefore I don't prefill filters. You'll feel like a moron when you accidently get a piece of metal foil/plastic/paper bottle seal or plastic bottle swarf inside the clean side of the filter and it gets slammed right into the bearings, oil jets, VVT solenoids, cam phasers, VCM solenoids, lifters, etc. No thanks. 3 seconds of starvation isn't worth it. If I'm really that fucking upset over a prime up every 5,000 miles, I'll pull the fuel pump relay and crank till pressure up, then reinstall and start it. Or, if equipped, crank it in clear-flood mode. Use your noodle. 👍
@themikecranston
3 жыл бұрын
I've had 5 cars that I've taken to near or over 300k miles without filing the filters. Good enough for me. Like to watch the glowing oil light on the dash and see how long I can stand it.
@thesorrow619
3 жыл бұрын
10:38 that happened to a friend on a brand new Denali back when we used to work for Goodyear. Luckily the customer noticed the smell and she returned right away before any damage happened to the engine. He got a whole speech from the manager but he didn’t get fired tho. Lady was pretty understanding and cool about it
@brianmccarthy8215
3 жыл бұрын
I would argue that the same one micron of contamination that could’ve made its way into a new jug of oil could’ve also made it into the oil filter, since most are just shipped in a loose cardboard box with nothing sealing it.
@AlzhinSon
3 жыл бұрын
It's about doing what you can, on the aspects you have control over, to make your chances of failure as low as possible
@joebrown9621
3 жыл бұрын
alot of the contaminants are in the New oil out of that sealed container we buy oil manufacturers only have to meet a standard amount of particulate count so they can sell it.. but modern engines lubrication system requires cleaner oil thus the filter get rid of the bigger particles, by prefilling you bypass the filter putting unfiltered oil through the lubrication system..
@tomhutchins1046
3 жыл бұрын
Ok second part of lesson. LOL ALL car engines truck engines and light to med duty diesel engines have a bypass for the filter. either internally or in the adapter or in the actual filter. ( in a small block chevy its in the oil filter adapter sb ford its in the filter ) It makes the oil go around the filter when the engine is cold during cold starts or when the oil pressure is high or when the filter has any restrictions. The idea is dirty oil is better than no oil when the filter starts to become restrictive or the oil is thick. Only about 20% of oil flow is actually filtered. All this bull dont prime the filter comes from HD diesels mostly cat's which have a different system and are serviced in dirty environment's many times. So you are getting nothing positive from installing an empty filter just a dry start. Fill the filter. They can hold oil for many days or even years. Check youtube it shows people cutting filters apart the rubber or silicon disk at the top is the anti drain back valve.
@richardmillhousenixon
3 жыл бұрын
@@tomhutchins1046 my dude you are arguing on a video where a literal PROFESSIONAL MECHANIC explains why you SHOULDNT prefill filters
@tomhutchins1046
3 жыл бұрын
@@richardmillhousenixon Hey dumb dumb i was building engines professionally before this guy even graduated high school. Now go take your meds you whacko. He does some decent work but on this subject he is wrong
@consaka1
2 жыл бұрын
Finally!!! Someone explaining why not to prefill a filter. Man, even quoted CAT. It's like I'm hearing myself talking. People don't realize you can have a little junk or out of tolerance oil or fine debris in the oil when you put it in the valve cover and that can't really hurt your engine because it's all returning to the pan. The pump will pickup all kinds of stuff with no problem and it sends it directly to the filter where it gets filtered before going out to the bearings etc.
@tvviewer4500
3 жыл бұрын
I love how remote they put the dipstick access. Makes checking oil suuuuper easy.
@felixcat9318
3 жыл бұрын
I once had a customer accuse me of being responsible for causing a rear wheel puncture on his motorcycle. This surprised me as his motorcycle was booked in for a faulty ignition switch, which was replaced without the requirement for a road test to be carried out! I asked him how much he was charged for me to work on his rear tyre and he replied that I hadn't worked on the rear tyre, only on the ignition switch. He still didn't get it, so I asked him how long after he left my workshop did he notice the puncture... He was quite a distance away, the next day, when his tyre suddenly deflated! I asked him why he blamed me for causing his puncture and he said it was because I was the last person to have worked on his motorcycle. He'd read in a magazine that if a fault appeared after servicing it was most likely due to the mechanic doing something wrong. It had never occurred to him that he was in possession of his motorcycle for around 24 hours after leaving my workshop and that he'd ridden around 45 miles since collecting his motorcycle, none of which would have been possible if his rear tyre was punctured in my workshop! Until I mentioned that he owed me an apology, it never dawned on him that I would be offended by his false accusation! Convinced of my wrongdoing, he'd booked a professional motorcycle recovery company to deliver his motorcycle to my workshop, in the full expectation that I'd be paying for it, along with a new tyre, inner tube and rim tape, plus labour! When he realised that he was going to have to pay for the recovery, etc, he was quite unhappy, and even more so when I declined to work on his motorcycle any further. No workshop wants this type of individual as a customer as there was no degree of trust between us and his automatic assumption of my guilt - despite evidence to the contrary - wasn't something that I felt could be repaired.
@TrekkerMoto
3 жыл бұрын
Ford even has a service bulletin for 6.7s basically saying ignore the stick when doing an oil change. Put the 13 quarts in and ship it. They level will even out on the stick but it takes so long that there was an issue with people adding extra quart or two thinking it wasn't full enough when checking the oil after an oil change. I have never prefilled a filter in my life with the exception of filters that hold MORE THAN 1 quart such as what you find on the f650 and f750 cummins trucks with a 3 quart filter.
@mitchellhardy5895
2 жыл бұрын
Haha yeah like the 2.7L says right beside the stick to wait 15 minutes to check it
@adotintheshark4848
2 жыл бұрын
@Bob Watters You have to be a real dipstick to always trust a dipstick.
@mannys9130
2 жыл бұрын
@@adotintheshark4848 Uh...what? 🤣 You'd be a dipstick to not trust the one thing that actually physically verifies the level of oil in the component... Come on, use your brain now.
@adotintheshark4848
2 жыл бұрын
@@mannys9130 don't laugh. Sometimes the wrong dipstick is in the engine. I've seen it more than once. Or the dipstick checking the level doesn't do it correctly.
@MrHBSoftware
2 жыл бұрын
@@adotintheshark4848 sometimes oil will not drain completely and if you add the specified amount you will overfill....overfilling a modern diesel car will result in immediate DPF problems wich are very expensive to fix....if it has a dipstick, use it...start the car, let it run a bit, stop it, wait some minutes and check level...i always leavit at 3/4 between min and max to give room for oil expansion when it warms but also to allow for some oil consumption until the next change
@heidimelcarek3677
3 ай бұрын
You've made the best case for not pre-filling a filter that I've ever seen. I feel like it probably doesn't apply to a fresh jug from the manufacturer, but I'm gonna reconsider doing it going forward now anyway. Besides, like you said, if it specifically states in the manual not to, you're doing your job correctly by following those recommendations. So good on you!
@911argon
3 жыл бұрын
You could have replaced that drain plug it came out rough and went back in rough. It should go all the way in by hand and then tighten it.
@kraemerdustin
3 жыл бұрын
Fords are notorious for drain plug problems. Especially diesels. Even tho they are sometimes tough to loosen and tighten they mostly are still fine
@HockeyGoon939
3 жыл бұрын
The plug is fine. If it turns in tight you don't have to worry about it backing out.
@redbull8661
3 жыл бұрын
I agree, that's from people not using a torque wrench and over tightening them. One of these times it won't tighten up and then they'll have to replace it for sure.
@kraemerdustin
3 жыл бұрын
@@redbull8661 I mean it’s common sense when to stop tightening them. Lmao
@redbull8661
3 жыл бұрын
@@kraemerdustin the first 6.7's had the common sense plugs where you only turned them 1/4 of a turn. The newer ones need to be torqued to 19 lb ft (26 Nm)
@NewBookz
2 жыл бұрын
Many years ago I worked as an apprentice HD mech for a logging company, the bulk oil came from barrels, dispersed from hose reels with a trigger gun on the end of the hose. That was convenient, still remember the sound when filling, sort of air over hydraulic piston sound.
@Rudy97
2 жыл бұрын
Yes that brutal sex toy sound!
@philpeters2208
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ray for educating me and others on the proper way to change oil. I've been changing oil for years and always filled the filter but didn't know that could cause damage. Thanks again.
@oldrustycars
3 жыл бұрын
I've also pre filled filters, but always from a sealed bottle. Not bucket brigade from a bulk tank with a dirty container.
@Kaponohoopii808
2 жыл бұрын
I learned something new. I was the idiot that used to pre fill oil filters thinking it’ll save me time from having to start the motor to cycle the oil. Having the oil level go down. Then filling back up to spec. I’m never doing that again!!! Boy do I feel dumb. Thanks for this lesson. You don’t know how much I appreciate this.
@James-mm9wc
3 жыл бұрын
As a now retired professional mechanic, I never pre-filled an oil filter in my 50+ years. Agree with your reasoning and you are correct on the flow of oil. Far better to be filtered before hitting the bearings. I did notice the oil reminder on the dash, Maybe you reset the minder off camera? Hate to have customer come right back & all I've got is oops.
@RainmanRaysRepairs
3 жыл бұрын
oh yea I reset it
@brownwrench
3 жыл бұрын
My tech school trained me to prefill lube filters.
@davidmerullo551
3 жыл бұрын
It doesn’t make a difference because you just poured that oil directly into the crank case and will still slosh into the bearings no matter what lol
@James-mm9wc
3 жыл бұрын
The difference is oil poured into the center of the filter, which is the outlet, by the way, never gets filtered before going to the galleys. Oil poured into the crankcase has to be filtered before reaching the galleys. Any debris in your supply container?
@e-curb
2 жыл бұрын
@@James-mm9wc If there is dirt in the sealed oil jug, it will settle to the bottom. The oil at the top will be clean, and that's what you pour into the filter.
@todayshappening
2 жыл бұрын
Working for Ford dealers for 7 years now. First as a lube tech into a certified Power stroke tech and now the dreaded parts guys. The "damage" that would come from not prefilling a filter is next to none! Especially considering how high pressure the oil is on them! In fact as mentioned the official service tech manual for a 6.7 strictly tells you not to.
@garthrichert5256
3 жыл бұрын
This video has been made under a few challenging situations. Thank you for pressing on with it. Your ways of dealing with a curved ball is an inspiration to my workshop.
@AntonioClaudioMichael
2 жыл бұрын
Glad your feeling better Ray @Rainman Ray's Repairs
@823Steve
2 жыл бұрын
I'll have to say I'm impressed by your detailed cleanliness. Most would wipe with a dirty rag and say, that's good enough. I am wondering why you had to wrench that drain plug all the way out and back in? Bad threads from overtightening?
@thooks1234
2 жыл бұрын
Builted Ford tuff! Them drain plug threads is tuff, man!
@Ottonic6
2 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly.
@sabastianleisek396
2 жыл бұрын
Those Fords come in my work all the time. It seems like those threads always get worn, just something about that design with the oil pan.
@sabastianleisek396
2 жыл бұрын
And it starts draining the moment that stiff plug gets loose.
@78stormryder
3 жыл бұрын
Alas I have heard of individuals pre-filling the oil filter but have never done it myself. Was not aware of risks that come with pre-filling until learning about it thru your videos. I think I have said it in the past but thank you for the efforts you make in helping to educate your viewers about why you do this or do that. And how are you back up your reasonings with factual information
@jamesmedina2062
3 жыл бұрын
Great oil will still be on the bearings for a few seconds that the oil passages are empty but it is still better to pre-fill the filter to at least 2/3 full but if people are in too much of a hurry then I guess forget about it!
@tom1300
3 жыл бұрын
Tip: how to get rid of getting sprayed with oil when changing filter. I always use a centre punch and knock a hole on bottom of filter, let it drain then remove it. Literally zero mess
@shitluck2jzgte
3 жыл бұрын
My Vw has a drain in the oil canister Cap. There smart 👌 😎. No mess ever
@cwheels01
3 жыл бұрын
@@shitluck2jzgte Downside: it's a VW
@skippy2987
3 жыл бұрын
I never damage the old filter if I can help it. If for some reason I can't remove or replace it, the car is still drivable with the old filter, but not with a hole in it.
@Handlebarrz
3 жыл бұрын
@@skippy2987 loosen just enough to keep oil from dripping, punch hole. Finished. You aint wrong tho. Gotta b4 ready for anything
@duckwacker8720
3 жыл бұрын
No thanks
@awhiteguy9143
2 жыл бұрын
Completely agree, oil pumps are designed to handle contaminants. Pumping them directly to the filter, so the lubrication system can have nice clean black oil for it’s grossly extended service interval.
@hemibreath
2 жыл бұрын
Bang-on with the filter filling thing👍 I’m a HD mechanic and never pre fill filters. And a HD application filter is more prone to contamination because of the dirty environment (and being a heavy thing bumping wires and hoses etc ) I leave the plastic wrap on as long as possible.
@normanlandstruck3985
2 жыл бұрын
"My goal is not to get oil on me or everything" We all know that sir is impossible.
@tmet01
2 жыл бұрын
I get the diesel oil everywhere regardless. Need a body condom. Like the no prefilling filter thing. That is always another way to make a mess.
@xblackdogrunsx
2 жыл бұрын
wouldnt be a big problem if ford didnt strip every drain plug from the factory
@The_Hyundai_Guy
3 жыл бұрын
Haven’t prefilled an oil filter ever and have had many return customers over the years with zero issues. Excellent job pointing that out
@northwest-xn3ry
2 жыл бұрын
OK, Ray. I have on a vertical filter done it before. Thank You. Never again! On the refill of the filter.
@Rayoflight1975
3 жыл бұрын
Welcome back!! Glad you're feeling better! I know next to nothing about mechanicals but you're so entertaining! Keep it up!
@Jason.F.
2 жыл бұрын
"I shot some all over the rim" Sir that is called a "rim shot". Congrats!
@Sean-parker
2 жыл бұрын
The wife hates it when I do that
@dougbourdo2589
3 жыл бұрын
Glad you're back & feeling better. Since the early 70's I have never pre-filled filters. Same instructions then from mentors as you provided. And, Great example of Great Customer Service. Well Done.
@kellismith4329
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for giving me an excuse to no longer prefill filters, sometimes it’s a pain when the filter mounts horizontally lol, whar you say makes sense we sometimes do things because we’ve always done it that way Lots of great idea’s for catching the filter oil when removing, another thing I do to keep things clean is to use a telescoping magnet to remove the final threads on the oil plug, this leaves you free to aim the catch bucket as well as keep your hand out of the firing line, I always start with engine up to operating temp so the oil is hot and flows out best - if I’m doing my own I then puncture the filter and allow the whole thing to drip out overnight and complete the oil change the next day.
@skeetersaurus6249
2 жыл бұрын
Actually, my biggest issue that I've NEVER heard properly discussed doesn't have to do with pre-filling filters, it has to do with RTV used on oil-gasket surfaces. I remember back in the 1980's (when blue RTV just hit the 'big-time'), that MAJOR OEM concerns was the use of RTV Silicone on oil-contact gasket surfaces...seems that through their testing, silicone, over time, broke down in an oil environment and plugged oil galleys...not to use it in such applications as 'center member covers', 'timing covers', etc...that over time, the silicone degrading, would collect as 'debris' and block oil channels (where present). Even though OEMs (especially GM and Ford) eventually went to RTV as a form of gasket-making, they never 'recanted' their original position that 'RTV was detrimental to oil galleyways'. In rebuilding engines, I've seen 'RTV sludge' (did someone get careless with it? was it merely off-fall in a prior build? I don't know)....but I have seen 'sludge residue' containing it...which of course, leads to the question, 'oil pan gasket using RTV? REALLY?'
@warrenmartin1607
2 жыл бұрын
I hate rtv because of cure time, especially in winter months. If you clean surfaces to perfection and let the rtv cure for at least 24 hours before adding fluids it will last much longer. I still have to agree with the break down though. Seen it often as well.
@eccentricsmithy2746
3 жыл бұрын
Every Haynes or Chilton service manual of every car I owned has stated to NOT pre-fill the filter.
@jwarmstrong
3 жыл бұрын
Old guys from the 1960s & before filled filters trying to get more life out an engine that was warrantied for 50.000 miles... in 1925 the Ford warranty was 4,000 miles & 90 days - filling the filter was only a rabbits foot.
@barryaiello3127
3 жыл бұрын
@@jwarmstrong in 1925 there were no filters.
@Pitmanworker
3 жыл бұрын
@@jwarmstrong I don't understand how you are going to obtain more milage filling the filter with oil which in any case will reach the filter in a matter of seconds after engine is started.
@Pitmanworker
3 жыл бұрын
@Jeff B Don't fully agree with that statement - the engine wears more at startup. I would ask the question that way - Do you think that during oil change you completely and ultimately dry all the cavities in the engine from the oil? And again what do we do with those engines which are having paper filaments for filters and those which the filter is sideways or upsidedown put? Those engines will die faster than the others?
@peterantonic6923
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Ray, good to see you back in action. I thought it was very unusual that the truck was taken to a Ford dealership for an oil change and it didn’t have a Ford filter on it and the old service sticker was not removed and replaced with the dealership sticker. By the looks of the oil pan the dealership boys must have used an entire tube of silicone on it. If that much is visible on the outside I can only imagine how much of it is on the inside potentially blocking the pick up tube, very sloppy work by the dealership. Thank you for another great video. 😀😀👍👍🇦🇺🇦🇺
@LA_Commander
3 жыл бұрын
I don't believe it was done at a Ford dealer. They have high quality gaskets for those pans. #2 the old oil filter was not Motorcraft. This indicates a private mechanic or shop.
@jhfl1881
3 жыл бұрын
@@LA_Commander I agree with Peter. Ray did say "the dealership". If it wasn't a Ford dealership, what was it?
@LA_Commander
3 жыл бұрын
@@jhfl1881 Ray is saying only what the customer told him. The customer said he took it to "the dealership". Okay, fine, "if so" then where is the Motorcraft oil filter? Why wasn't a Ford gasket used on the pan? Why didn't the dealer remove Ray's old oil change sticker and put in a new one? Those are all common things a dealer does. I'm not saying Ray is lying. I'm saying the customer was not being truthful with Ray.
@adamtaylor3959
2 жыл бұрын
Great work. I have been a mechanic for 28 years professionally and have never prefilled any filters as well. Most manufacturers state not to prefill the filters due to chance of contaminations getting into the engine. There are a few fuel filters on diesels that come with a plug on the clean side of the filter that do suggest prefilling on the dirty side of the filter. So i just wanted to let you know that there are brother technicians that agree with you and know how it is supposed to be done. Plus just to keep from getting hated on as well. Technology and engine building have come a long way on materials and performance. The oil pumps and the oil have come a long way as well. The left over lubrication and the pumps efficiency protects the metal while the filter gets filled quicker by the pump and gets to where it needs to be. I just wanted to put my 2 cents worth in. Keep up the great work and everyone have a great day!
@derticktilghman5545
2 жыл бұрын
When I change my oil, I do not use the open container system that he uses. Bottled oil is much safer in my opinion, and cleaner. I can fill my filter to stop dry start up time.
@Rudy97
2 жыл бұрын
Yup if you buy a jug every time you change it will not be contaminated.
@MainelyMoto207
2 жыл бұрын
I've never filled the filters before installing them. Just took a dab of oil to lubricate the ring and put it on. Fill engine with oil, run for 30 seconds, then shut off , then check the level.
@fastzenner
2 жыл бұрын
Check level after 10 minutes
@alexstromberg7696
2 жыл бұрын
@@fastzenner lmao no
@fastzenner
2 жыл бұрын
@@alexstromberg7696 lmao no what?
@alexstromberg7696
2 жыл бұрын
@@fastzenner running a engine for 10min to check the level, just run it for 10 sec
@fastzenner
2 жыл бұрын
I never said run engine for 10 minutes check the oil after been sitting for 10 minutes, or else get a false reading and overfill your engine
@leonardaltig
3 жыл бұрын
REEEEEE! Welcome back Ray. It is good hearing your explanations.
@ProudDad1976
2 жыл бұрын
I became an ASE mechanic in 1995 and I have never heard of prefilling an oil filter in my life other than on your channel, I can not believe there are people who feel it is important enough to call you out. The only thing I will do is add oil to my finger and get the gasket wet, I was taught this so the gasket will not grab as I spin the oil filter on.
@rhondohslade
2 жыл бұрын
Very informative video, Ray. I always thought, in the past, that prefilling the filter was a good idea to keep the engine from running potentially oil starved (I'm a prefessional back yard, shade mechanic - LOL) on startup. Following your explanation, I will never do that again. Thanks so much for the true information, friend.
@pleasedontwatchthese9593
2 жыл бұрын
The oil you poor in drains into the crank case no matter what. So it doesn't make a big difference if you do or don't.
@ryangross5446
2 жыл бұрын
@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 also a lot of oil pumps wont induce suction until they're filled with oil, and prefilling the oil filter wont do anything anyways as it wont bring new oil into the pump area before it gets flooded by the oil you poured in from the top. this depends on the engine but in a honda engine prefilling the oil filter, if its even possible given the angle, will be pointless no matter what.
@AstrosElectronicsLab
2 жыл бұрын
There should be enough of a film of oil on the crank bearings (even a newly assembled/rebuilt engine if lubed correctly) to negate the necessity to pre-fill the filter until it primes (usually within 3 or 5 seconds).
@whackydumdum
3 жыл бұрын
Impressive professionalism made your customer extremely happy, and added credibility to your business. That's priceless. Nice work. Thanks for the great video(s).
@OriginalWhiteDevil
2 жыл бұрын
You think he's going upload the videos where he tells the ccustomer to go to hell?
@onlybugwit
2 жыл бұрын
The reason I started pre filling oil filters was because on the particular cars I used to service the big ends used to rattle when I first started them up if I didn't. Any comments? 🇬🇧
@AGeeksGarage
2 жыл бұрын
WOW, great information on pre-filling the filter. You have just converted a long time "pre-filler", I thought I was doing the right thing ... but now I know better. Thanks!
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