It depends on the application. If you need pulling power, Power shift is the way to go. If you need to have variable speed in order to run an implement or to do many directional changes. CVT is your animal. As you said, both will do the job, but, just as a sword will slice bread, you would not gut a deer with a butter knife.
@Kraigthecanadian
4 жыл бұрын
Yah i agree ive grown to love the john Deere autopowershift/ivt i had a bad wreck years ago that was partly inexperience but also largly the fendt cvt doesn't respond bright away so it started running away getting pushed down the hill right at that crucial point of the load starting to push and the tractor realizing and trying to slow down it failed by the time it realized it was already to far gone even still it didn't feel like it really had much to offer felt more like a hydrostatic so naturally i am leary of the fendt cvt in some situations but they are the king for fine movement or need fine control of wheel speed things like hitching to implements or pulling out stuck trucks i haven't used a fendt enough in say if for cleaning corals or other yard chores its king but i do like the old school power shift with a shuttle shifter super easy compared to the old school before shuttle shift days ill always love the true torque monsters of olden days where you pick your gear and let it grunt through tough spots they would bog down a lot lower than the new tractors before throwing in the towel if you asked it to I would love to one day find a good test to prove it but i feel like the old school hp vs new school hp going head to head the old school would show more torque if you locked them both at the same gear ratio show the diffrence between designs and how the new ones rely less on brute strength and more on technology and keeping conditions optimal for the engine
@LAliTractors
Жыл бұрын
@@Kraigthecanadian Exactly mechanical gears have more torque..
@srenringsing2218
Жыл бұрын
I have never tried a power shift only vario. And with what i hear i think its better with a power shift if you a driving silage grass from a foarge haverster caouse the foarge havesters speed changes som often. When i have done the and i hat to acelerate it was kinda slobby. I drove a case ih puma 230. it was kinda nooring i would rather drive a tractor when i gave it gas it should shift gears firs. I don't know if you could understand any of what I have written
@lassehurmerinta4871
Жыл бұрын
Fact! -Powershift is fun to drive, but you need to know what you're doing and when. -CVT is easy to drive and you have time to think other things when you are operating.
@cringe9406
4 жыл бұрын
Id take a powershift, i have a bad history with cvt's. New holland T6 cvt failed, i have the same tractor with powershift, still works perfectly
@TractorLab
4 жыл бұрын
Powershift безусловно имеет преимущества, котрые особенно проявляются на частичных режимах работы двигателя.
@phalanx3803
3 жыл бұрын
ha i see your problem you brought New Holland.
@eduardoaguilar3073
3 жыл бұрын
@@phalanx3803 xd
@samtindall6707
3 жыл бұрын
I once thought like you till owning a Claas hexashift gearbox went wrong cost more than putting a new vario in by the time it was all done
@bartdereu9267
2 жыл бұрын
I never trust NH for any machinery. Go with the premium brands and run trouble free 🙂
@interman7715
3 жыл бұрын
I'll take a manual or powershift with NO COMPUTERS.
@TheSnafflepup
4 жыл бұрын
Power shift for me I like to have more control cvts dont like wet spots or any abnormalities in the field computers dont think like humans they also dont see problems like we do
@orkell8195
4 жыл бұрын
You forgot the part where cvt need replacing every 10000 hours
@TractorLab
4 жыл бұрын
Ok!
@steveforrest6720
4 жыл бұрын
Power shift will have to rebuilt in 10000 hours to
@orkell8195
4 жыл бұрын
@@steveforrest6720 nope
@chrismole5245
4 жыл бұрын
@@orkell8195 yep
@timburrows3093
4 жыл бұрын
@@steveforrest6720 we had a JD 4650 tweeted to 279 hp with a flat torque curve,dual wheels front and back,spent 5.2 meter tasters chisel plough on the front,5.2 simba 2b discs and a vaderstad heavy packer roll with levelling board behind,no power shift problems
@Bowiiihowdy
4 жыл бұрын
Its clunky and not as nice but a good ole fashioned standards what I like. When it goes its the cheapest to fix out of all
@charlesangell_bulmtl
2 жыл бұрын
That unmuffled 4cylinder sounds like an SAE 200 Lincoln.
@fredmja97
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks this explained it way better then my damed school books ever could helped alot.
@Kraigthecanadian
4 жыл бұрын
Ill take the john deere ivt but not the fendt cvt ivt is clear its still actual direct connect from engine to rear end fendt feels and acts more like a hydrostatic and doesn't seem to put as much power to the ground ie loose a lot in the transmission but it does have much nicer control for say you are in a muddy area pulling trucks out all day the fendt wins in my books and its so much smoother at creeping around but as far as field work or roading heavy loads over hills deere all the way holds the weight back better faster response to it getting pushed by the weight in the field it is more like the old school power shift but smooth operation of a cvt though it actually being a autopowershift and you can barely tell it does shifts
@actualyoungfarmer1078
3 жыл бұрын
Fendt cvt's tend to fail a lot and cost a fortune to repair.
@bartdereu9267
2 жыл бұрын
That's actually a bullshit story. Fendt was obvioulsy the only one who tested their transmission on effeciency, and they learned that a CVT has it's highest efficiency at 70% hydrostatic and 30% mechanical power. That's why they are build the way they are. Fieldwork 0-25 and road 0-55 . In field modus they have the highest effeciency at around 8 km/h , making it the most effecient tractor on the market. A JD (ZF) transmission is allot more complex, has more gears and clutches (with more drag) and are not even close to the effeciency of a Fendt vario transmission. All of this has been documented in dozens of magazine. But haters always gone hate i guess.
@Kraigthecanadian
2 жыл бұрын
@@bartdereu9267 cool you can read salesman brochures but do you have real seat time ill take the mechanical more complex as you call it transmission of the deere ivt any day of the week over a fendt they all have there place but the fendt has been the cause of a life threatening situation for me cause there was a disconnect between the ground speed and the engine rpm im lucky to be alive if im constantly pulling trucks in mud or something yah i may ask for a fendt as i need that fine control of wheel slip and smooth transition of power or doing pto work with hydraulics that computer setup is handy but if im trying to pull hills or put hp down to the ground ill go deere ive had case magnums with the self protection feature of if you bog the engine beyond a certain point it kicks it into neutral well i can tell you trying to cross a intersection that is dangerous
@jairvaltrao2593
4 жыл бұрын
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@cscdigitalseva5708
3 жыл бұрын
Price
@kristjanpirc537
3 жыл бұрын
So cvt is half automatic gear box?
@bartdereu9267
3 жыл бұрын
No , it’s a full range fully automatic transmission
@kristjanpirc537
3 жыл бұрын
@@bartdereu9267 I can't imagine having an automatic tractor.
@bartdereu9267
3 жыл бұрын
@@kristjanpirc537 i have 2 , one since 2010 and one since 2018. Works amazing
@kristjanpirc537
3 жыл бұрын
@@bartdereu9267 but only big tractors have cvt, 100hp +
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