I didn’t know you could use a healer’s kit with fast hands, that’s a brilliant idea.
@James_Mular
3 жыл бұрын
You can also go arcane trickster using your bonus action to control a mage hand spell during your bonus action and that spell specifically says you can manipulate objects
@terak4786
5 жыл бұрын
So, just an addendum to the healer rogue idea, Jeremy Crawford has stated in a Sage Advice response that he would allow an Arcane Trickster to do exactly what you said as far as bonus action healer's kit, WITH Mage Hand, as long as the hand itself isn't holding the kit. So have each party member wearing a belt-mounted healer's kit for themselves, and when they get dropped, bonus action Mage Hand Doctor to get them back up, at range.
@Romearci
3 жыл бұрын
Dude that's brilliant
@Greginda11
6 жыл бұрын
i like mastermind rogue mixed with 3 levels of divine wizard. Turn yourself invisibile and use the help as action and bonus. you only lose invisibility if you attack or cast another spell. the divine wizard can use their impotents on important attack rolls and saving throws for both allies and enemies.
@DrowBard
6 жыл бұрын
I like it, very tactical :)
@Greginda11
3 жыл бұрын
@@cyberpunkalphamale point out weak spots in the enemies stance.
@baltsosser
5 жыл бұрын
Halfling Paratrooper...color me mind blown. That is real genius.
@trequor
6 жыл бұрын
The Paratrooper is the craziest, most awesome thing ive ever heard of
@sadsackkvisling9694
5 жыл бұрын
Cavalier Rogue: the highwayman.
@GuardianCitadel
5 жыл бұрын
Rogues make great 'professional'-type specialist characters. One of mine I keep around is a dungeoneering locksmith that makes use of a lot of the Inquisitives features, and I didn't think the mastermind was a better fit for the archetype. Lawful rogues are a great concept worth exploring, as they're generally unexpected in a class littered with urchins and assassins. With access to piles of skills, you can easily be an expert in History and Religion for that Indiana Jones flair. You can take literally any class and turn it into a rogue that focuses more on skills and less about special effects budgets. Turn a ranger into a rogue and you have a master-class in wilderness survivalism that doesn't hinge on circumstance or spell slots.
@kaizen5023
4 жыл бұрын
Really cool, thanks, my fellow rogue and I have been trying to figure out how to differentiate since we both wanted to play Arcane Trickster... now I might go with Mastermind/Battlemaster and let him have Arcane Trickster :)
@derekjoyce6152
4 жыл бұрын
I love the dark position archetype that you created. Even now that the way of Mercy Monk Is in Unearthed Arcana, I can still see how a dip into the thief can be useful with its fast hands.
@rcschmidt668
3 жыл бұрын
Oo.. Great idea! A band of roving halfling pirates with mounted combatant feat and riding winged beasts!
@eliparker4114
6 жыл бұрын
I would like to share another unconventional rogue: the rogue tank. Put your highest ability scores in Dex and Con. Uncanny dodge and evasion are wonderful abilities to help with tanking. Arcane trickster works well for this, taking either shield or absorb elements at third level. Blur and mirror image are good second level spells for further reducing damage. Swashbuckler is another good option since you’ll be in melee quite often. I like human for this build, for the feat, but stout Halfling, air genasi, and hill dwarf are also good candidates. Some feats that go along well with this are defensive duelist, tough, sentinel, or lucky. Dwarven fortitude is good if you went hill dwarf, and grappler combined with expertise in athletics can really help take a powerful opponent out of a fight. It’s not quite as good a tank as the fighter or barbarian, but it works pretty well.
@lucasramey6427
3 жыл бұрын
I've found multiclassing armorer artificer and rogue using Medium armor with the medium armor master feat using the infiltrator armor so you have advantage on stealth checks and playing a warforged can get you 21 ac then you use the lightning node ranged weapon the infiltrator armor gives you that way you can sneak attack with lightning damage and from artificer you can pick up booming blade from tasha's that way you both have options between ranged and melee and excel in both fields You could roleplay as an AI with inquisitive rogue or maybe mastermind for a high ranking combat droid you only really need the 3 levels in artificer but you can go to five if you want although you would miss out on rogue levels for your sneak attack dice
@NopeJustPatrick
5 жыл бұрын
I've nevet played DnD before, and I've always felt more drawn to the Bard or Paladin classes(I like the idea of playing support), but that Halfling Paratrooper build sounds like it would be great fun.
@ChristnThms
6 жыл бұрын
Skilled + Rogue + the right background can really cover a lot of skills well. I always think of monk as a nearly ideal multi for Rogue. The mobility alone is juicy, and being able to function without armor and weapons makes the Rogue skills even better.
@BLynn
6 жыл бұрын
An Adventures League legal build of Half-elf Dex:13+; Wis:13+ & Cha:13+ Rogue 1/Ranger 1/Cleric (Knowledge) 1/Lore Bard 4 with Skilled feat and pretty much any background will give you all the skills at level 7 with 6 having double proficiency, there are other ways to get them all but that is the earliest build.
@Esproth
6 жыл бұрын
This is interesting because I run bards like rouges, and rogues like bards.
@DAEDRICDUKE1
3 жыл бұрын
gotta love how useless 5es class system is
@bruvaroni
6 жыл бұрын
Just a suggestion, for headphones users your intro is incredibly loud when compared to the rest of the videos. Great content otherwise though.
@DrowBard
6 жыл бұрын
It used to be louder.
@TruKirito
6 жыл бұрын
It's still pretty loud but love your videos!
@bruvaroni
6 жыл бұрын
It's not too loud but it's too loud when you compare it to the rest of the video. I have to turn it down before I start the video and then turn it back up to hear everything you're saying.
@velshu
4 жыл бұрын
@@DrowBard like a baws! :D
@kirbo1248
2 жыл бұрын
I made a rouge in a session that was level 20 I was a emerald dragonborn due to me not having the kalashtar,I did this for physic resistance and I had 5 levels in bear barbarian and I used a finesses weapon which can be str or dex and sneak attack works with it and a shield so I used reaction to half the damage then resistance to every type so halved again along with the tough feat It was terrifying.
@jinxtheunluckypony
6 жыл бұрын
I’m surprised you didn’t mention giving a rogue one level of barbarian for unarmored defense and shields. With unarmored defense you can stealth with confidence knowing that if you’re caught a simple “I was in the area” excuse will seem vastly less suspicious coming from someone in their everyday clothes than someone walking around in studded leather. Additionally if you’re dungeon delving bringing a shield along won’t hurt you’re stealthing capacity meaning it’s basically a free +2 ac. Finally if you’re in a real pinch raging will give you resistance to non-magical attacks which might just be the difference between escape and death. The only real drawback of the build is that you have to put a 13 in strength to unlock barbarian which can be pretty restrictive if you’re using point buy or standard array.
@lucius3213
6 жыл бұрын
I once did a dark physician character for a one shot using a monk/rogue build. I used his anatomical knowledge to strike at the enemies weak points (sneak attack) or targeting their spine/head in order to paralyze them (monk's stunning strike). I think you can also swap out monk for battlemaster as they can use special maneuvers and cut tendons or something like that effect to make them drop their weapons.
@DrowBard
6 жыл бұрын
That stun idea is great. really creative.
@Tiragron99
5 жыл бұрын
And you could go Way of the Open Hand for the extra flavour that you know where to strike for healing and other effects
@Neverlookingbackk
6 жыл бұрын
Pantera! I really dig the paratrooper halfling idea. Have any ideas on a grappler build?
@DrowBard
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, check out my unconventional Valor Bard video. There's one in that :)
@BLynn
6 жыл бұрын
Listen to the Unconventional Bard video.
@stefanb6539
6 жыл бұрын
I would love to hear your ideas about Warlocks, that aren't complete Eldritch Blast bots. I mean, Eldritch Blast is great and all, but to get the most out of it, it gobbles up invocations and feats like there is no tomorrow, reducing every Warlock into the samey-same copy-and-paste one-trick pony. There MUST be more interesting ways to serve my dark overlord.
@BLynn
6 жыл бұрын
See "Glaivelock Blade pact Warlock", "Best Ermac Warlock D&D 5e Builds (The Build I want to play the most I think)", "How Awesome is the Monk/Warlock D&D 5e", " Sorlock D&D 5e Bladelocks who multiclass", "Quan Chi D&D 5e All Variations" & "Damnation Warlock Hexblade Caster D&D 5E". Though Bard will tell you to take Eldritch Blast any how because it is just so good, but if you want your Warlock to be primarily something else it can be done.
@DrowBard
6 жыл бұрын
You Know my stuff too well B Lynn, far too well :) You could also check out my hexblade guides parts 2&3 for some ideas. I still have to do a warlock analysis and unconventional warlock to have a complete series so that'll be coming too.
@BLynn
6 жыл бұрын
Warlocks are my favorite though Bards are growing on me. ;-)
@funbro99
6 жыл бұрын
Drow Bard i have a question. How far would you need to spec a bloodborne d00d... essentially i thought of a bladelock greatsword user that could use transmutate so how far would you need to spec into transmutation sorcerer? (Sorry im a new player to dnd and just Watched fma and played bloodborne)
@BLynn
6 жыл бұрын
I understand you are a new player, so I am just to trying to assist here. Wizard class has a transmuter school. Sorcerer has Draconic Bloodline & Wild Mage, plus some from Xanathar's Guide to Everything. Also, I am sorry I have never played Bloodborne or I would give you ideas on that. Just thinking out loud, Bard did do a Nightmare build, maybe the characters play similar? Most likely if you want spellcasting and to weild a Greatsword, you will want to go Warlock Hexblade for 3 levels taking the Pact of the Blade & the rest of your levels in Transmuter Wizard. Hope that helps some.
@lucasramey6427
3 жыл бұрын
7:50 you could also buy parachutes which you can find in 5etools the only downside being the fall has to at least be 65 ft high so plan around for that then just use an interact with object free action to tale off the parachute then when combat is over take the time to repack the parachute
@00784865
6 жыл бұрын
If u have a raven familliar u can cast reduce to reduce yourself to tiny size if u are small to begin with and tell ur raven to fly you wherever u want.You can infiltrate anything u want.
@Comicsluvr
6 жыл бұрын
Unconventional I like. Rogues I like. So you had me at the title lol.
@Mario.1997
3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking about a commander type character and what I came up with was a multi-class between Mastermind Rogue- Battlemaster or banneret Fighter and either order domain cleric or a minimum of 6 levels of war domain cleric
@tylerh2548
4 жыл бұрын
3 minutes in and ready to make a plague physician/mad scientist / snake oil salesman out of the Dark Physician. Also a huge inspiration for me in Shadow of the Demon Lord, where there is more in the way of artifaced gadgets, brasspunk technology and potion/poison without magic. Also specific Technomancy and Alchemy magical traditions (school) and freeform, tiered class selections to mix and match appropriate abilities; I'm really excited to roll some weird rogues up in 5E and SotDL!
@morganpetros9635
4 жыл бұрын
For the Dark Physician, Criminal (or Urchin) may actually be a better background because (a) as long as you have a healer's kit you only need the Healing skill for flavor, (b) Since as a rogue you already have thieves' tools proficiency, you can add Herbalism Kit as your tool proficiency, and (c) you also get a couple of proficiencies already on the rogue list, which frees up some skill selections for you. Besides, I really like the idea of a criminal grave robber, stealing bodies for the local vivisectionist and then watching him/her at work, or an urchin learning medical lore from the same sort of dark character ... }:-D
@PaiOeShi
6 жыл бұрын
Any suggestions for unconventional inquisitive rogues? Not much theory crafting for that sub class out there sadly.
@thurismundbotheric7598
6 жыл бұрын
Shadow Monk/Inquisitive Rogue *BAM* you're now batman
@baltsosser
5 жыл бұрын
I like that magic is heavily influenced in the classes. It would suggest the 5E world is rich in magic. I was pondering my Rogue using magic to gain some healing ability. My party has no traditional healer having access to only the bard. The Arcane Trickster can boost that healing once you have reached 8th level, but even before that Healer feat would help, proficiency with the poisoners kit, and with the healers kit would make sense. As the Rogue goes on about his business he/ she might not always be able to go to an official healer without raising suspicions. To me that makes good sense.
@flareinc7413
5 жыл бұрын
Do monk builds next! You're videos are awesome and you have great ideas so you might get me inspired about Monks. They are good mechanically but flavorwise very onedimensional (with the exception of the Avatar-bender)
@NickTBrick
5 жыл бұрын
Arcane Trickster + Battle Master seems much more potent than Mastermind. The ranged Help action sounds really cool in certain scenarios, but getting access to spells like Color Spray and Sleep on your multiattacking, bonus-action-dashing, action-surging Fighter sounds awesome. Along side Maneuvering Strike and Pushing Attack, you become a one-man mob-mopper. Not to mention how great enhanced Mage Hand can be out of combat.
@conradkorbol
5 жыл бұрын
NickTBrick color spray is a trap
@NickTBrick
5 жыл бұрын
@@conradkorbol I mean, giving a bunch of kobolds disadvantage seems alright at low levels. I mostly like that Sleep and Color Spray have some sort of sand as material component, and the idea of Dale Gribbling with magic pocket sand.
@theonlymatthew.l
5 жыл бұрын
Sleep is useless after level 2...
@mme.veronica735
3 жыл бұрын
That's not really the point of that build. The point of that build is to make everyone else shine
@juliapazosmaidana2929
3 жыл бұрын
What about an Arcane Trickster + Warlock (my first time doing this n,n") I'm still thinking what kind of warlock to be, and as a side note I like versatility over all. Thanks for the help~
@patrickhandley627
2 жыл бұрын
Genie warlock pact of chain. Gets you a boss escape option a place to store your ill gotten gains and a durable partner in crime and some ability's that will make a wizard envious. Like non concentration flight at 6th genie warlock. Also a flying familiar that can turn invisible at will can fly you into places you normally couldn't access.
@theraven5850
4 жыл бұрын
Rogue warlocks are the best. Rogues can disengage and hide as a bonus action while warlocks can use the "one with shadows" eldritch invocation to turn invisible when in dim light or darkness.
@micahg196
5 жыл бұрын
I love these unconventional builds but it would be great if you gave guidance on level by level too. Also, I see so many shaolin monks or dbz type monks I would love to see a new style.
@xvader9445
6 жыл бұрын
How viable is the Arcane Trickster with a crossbow expert feat
@DrowBard
6 жыл бұрын
two attacks with hand crossbow... only one of which gets sneak attack. Good for up close though. you may be better off going melee with green flame blade or booming blade. still, the important thing is your character not the numbers. if you want it, go for it.
@7om72
6 жыл бұрын
Love the video, especially the pint sized paratrooper!
@DrowBard
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks man ;)
@thurismundbotheric7598
6 жыл бұрын
A 2/3 white with flying, not like we haven't seen that before
@bigfootstoe1332
6 жыл бұрын
Maybe swashbuckler-bladesinger
@bigfootstoe1332
6 жыл бұрын
Im thinking of doing it in my next campaign. 1 level of rogue foe proficencies, then 2 levels. Of wizard, then everything else is rogue
@blinddog4288
4 жыл бұрын
I love all the videos, thanks!! One suggestion though, could you turn down the into music? Its SO much louder than your voice levels.
@BLynn
6 жыл бұрын
Nice job, thank you for your continued efforts. So you have done Ranger then Rogue, does that mean Sorcerer or Paladin is next? (One step forward or two steps back?)
@DrowBard
6 жыл бұрын
I've already done sorcerer, It'll probably be pally, Let see what people want :)
@BLynn
6 жыл бұрын
I was watching the Dungeon Dudes Barbarian Guide & it occurred to me that Tarzan the Ape Man, would be a barbarian/druid or ranger with the noble background. How would you build Tarzan?
@sufferinsuccotash8981
6 жыл бұрын
Pally pls
@BLynn
6 жыл бұрын
I have missed an unconventional sorcerer video, oh no. I will mine the videos again.
@angeld7277
6 жыл бұрын
Drow Bard i have an unorthodox paladin build. It's a multiclass of the oathbreaker paladin and necromancer wizard. It really picks up around level 12 but low level benefits include more spell slots to smite with and the possibility of the shield spell being known, in addition to access to inflict wounds because of the paladin archetype.
@00Monte
6 жыл бұрын
This video really got my thinking of like control strategies character that's super cool
@BassRacerx
5 жыл бұрын
These were cool ideas. I liked the dark doctor one.
@satansashhole8639
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for my daily dose of Pantera
@jonathanduardo7458
6 жыл бұрын
So I loved your venom build but my suggestion is what about everybody's favorite web-slinger spider-man?
@DrowBard
6 жыл бұрын
basically the same in many cases, the only difference it the spider-sense and is probably something that can be replicated through divinations.
@aleksanderbergerseter6545
5 жыл бұрын
where did u get that Pic? its to cool
@ronaldlistened1399
6 жыл бұрын
hey Bard heres a suggestion for the next class breakdown, ik it may take a while to do the whole thing but i havent seen much material on the class itself, i was thinkong you could do the Mystic from UA
@DrowBard
6 жыл бұрын
I'll finish the core classes first and if enough people want UA then we'll go from there.
@junsonofjack3740
3 жыл бұрын
This is pretty awesome
@ladyturantulo
5 жыл бұрын
Mine is Dr. Hans Zup...I regret nothing
@GenericHeretic
6 жыл бұрын
Great vid, always enjoy your content
@DrowBard
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks man.
@ChristnThms
6 жыл бұрын
First! Saw the title and liked it right away. Rogue is one of the most interesting classes for me.
@DrowBard
6 жыл бұрын
Well I hope you enjoyed it :)
@ChristnThms
6 жыл бұрын
Always do. Even when I come to a different conclusion, I always enjoy hearing how you've thought something through.
@dynjarren5454
4 жыл бұрын
A rogue should not have many turns where sneak is not an option
@Otaconsps
5 жыл бұрын
cool ideas!
@paulscoggins3806
6 жыл бұрын
Can u do a tremor from mortal kombat? Plzzzzzz
@DrowBard
6 жыл бұрын
Nice, good choice, Who doesn't love a bit of Tremor, Could be difficult but I'll give it a go.
@samtheactualkenku6205
5 жыл бұрын
@@DrowBard You might consider just doing a Mortal Kombat ninjabot which would be Monk(Way of the Four Elements) plus whatever other class works with them. Also, yes, Tremor is an MK ninja just like Rain
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