Great old one warlock would be a fun multiclass with whispers bard. Awakened mind with words of terror is a fun way to mess with people’s minds. You can also make the great old one warlock more melee if you pick pact of the blade with psychic blades from the whispers bard.
@TheSinisterheroes
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely and there are a lot of bard spells that require you to speak the same language and awaken mind bypasses all of that. Plus if you get the actor feat I can’t imagine it dosent work in the mind of an enemy!!!!
@n.a.nameless5435
Жыл бұрын
With 'create thrall' and a warlock's high charisma, talk your way into being a guest in the home of a warlord. Wait for the leader to go to sleep. If being asleep doesn't qualify as 'incapacitated' I don't know what would be. Make that leader your minion, now his/her horde is yours. An army of meat-shields that cost you nothing, except your DM's animosity.
@TheSinisterheroes
Жыл бұрын
The sleep spell specifically says your incapacitated when your asleep so it should work rules as written even without it would be really hard to not rule that as legal. Oh yes it works. I always run the beliefs a soldier is inclined to fight and hence forth will fight for there dear master.
@Battleguild
Жыл бұрын
Sadly, it's just a semi-permanent Charmed effect and not a Dominate effect. So while you would be considered the very top of advisors for them, you won't be able to actually always get them to do what you want if your request contradicts their moral boundaries.
@TheSinisterheroes
Жыл бұрын
With this effect I think having a real world idea about it. Like it’s great to have a minion but if you push it too hard it will push back.
@xvader9445
Жыл бұрын
I had a PC that was Longtooth Shifter named Karni...Dissonant Whispers was the howl. You can cast Hex and bonus action claw/ bite attack. And Infestation as a cantrip was my flea attack
@TheSinisterheroes
Жыл бұрын
I love that so much I really like infestation a lot it hurts that it isn’t used more often
@xvader9445
Жыл бұрын
@@TheSinisterheroes Grapple and Infestation was a nice combo
@TheSinisterheroes
Жыл бұрын
Just wait till you stumble upon infestation and spike growth
@xvader9445
Жыл бұрын
@Sinister Heroes could be Death from Puss amd Boots
@coma2726
Жыл бұрын
As a race recommendation for this subclass, you dont have to use it but if you do, wooo boy! Youll be the face of the party and the most horrifying member because you can and likely will make it virtually impossible to track you while you make an army. That race is changeling, yup, changeling, with the ability to look like other people, your only real drawback is clothes, although that wont matter to much if you have a rogue or are really lucky. If you really want to multiclass, divine soul sorcerer and whispers bard are 2 that work well (cleric spell list) Patrons, just go to the lovecraft wiki and pick 1, all but azathoth should work, hastur the king in yellow is a pretty good pick imo, just make them unknowable and you should be fine. (This is all my opinions and suggestions, do what you want, this subclass can make you the threat in a horror movie if you want, or be a witch, vast creativity in this subclass with flavor, if you disagree, its ok, but dont virtually yell at me for saying changeling is a good race for this for more lovecraft style gameplay, most races can work with most any class i know, its a somewhat biased suggestion since i like cosmic horror)
@TheSinisterheroes
Жыл бұрын
Ohhh you had me at changeling! Yes the ability to just be different people at will works so well with warlocks in general due to there devious nature. People neglect the importance of a cloak in this kind of setting. A cloak can cover most of you down to your boots. With that and the normal generic ness of it, you could wrap your self up in it and do what ever dastardly thing you wanted, then just drop the cloak. As a warlock you don’t have many gold costs, like a wizard, so maybe buying some new digs might be a normal thing.
@tylerh2548
8 ай бұрын
One thing only recently pointed out to me is Awakened Mind lets you telepathically speak to ANY creature in 30 feet so you are not limited to one-on-one communication like with Message. Just one of those mostly inconsequential features that makes playing the Awakened actually feel cool instead of tedious.
@BlazeLycan
8 ай бұрын
That may depend on interpretation. The thing is that the wording of creature is in singular, thus it depends on where the stress in that sentence is. If the stress is on any, you would be correct, but if the stress is on creature, then the any would mean that if they're in range, you can communicate with them. I'm going to bring this question to the people of the D&D discord. They're good at reading the raw. I don't think you're going to be right, though I hope you are.
@BlazeLycan
8 ай бұрын
To update my previous reply, I have now checked with the Discord, and no, it does not work on multiple creatures. To quote: "The game uses specific language for when you can communicate with multiple creatures telepathically. This isn't that language, therefore it's not that effect" "All the specific mechanical text refers to singular, whereas thri-kreen mechanically refer to plural" "Compare to Thri-Kreen Telepathy: "You have the magical ability to transmit your thoughts mentally to willing creatures within 120 feet of yourself""
@tylerh2548
8 ай бұрын
Last comment; Treantmonk has an optimized pure Great Old One Warlock build called the Voice from Beyond, good look at how to make it work in combat as well as roleplay challenges. I think, as character, GOOlock would be GREAT for some sort of solo game or improvised story writing using a RPG framework to discover the events the character steps into, in order to reliably get use from the class features. Also, perhaps the best NPC character for GM plots as a manipulator of kings and countries. Would be great to characterize the Supplicant agent from Shadows of Forgotten Gods strategy PC game as a character (and ideas for various patrons like She Who Will Feast or Iastur, the Laughing King or the Sleepless Dreamer (i made the last one up)
@TheSinisterheroes
8 ай бұрын
I saw that video and I loved the idea. I am a big fan of treantmonk. He dose a great job of being crea and making interesting builds, but his real strength is understanding and breaking down abilities and spells full capability
@tylerh2548
8 ай бұрын
Awakened Mind doesn't allow the listener to respond telepathically or ignore verbal spell components....but it should allow any spoken facets of spell effects (Suggestion, Command) to not be spoken aloud or need a shared language. Sadly, you still have to speak aloud for something like Vicious Mockery; even if it's just a wordless sound while you telepathically communicate some maddening idea. Simply because verbal/somatic are mechanical parts of identifying when a spell is being cast and Counterspell reaction. It's one of those things that I would discuss with my GM to houserule ignoring Verbal component to make it "half-psionics" as currently the psychic warlock gets NO psionic power casting, which is a major part of the class fantasy. Psychic + Eldritch Madness....doesn't get the Abberant Mind pseudopsionics nor anything much related to Lovecratian horrors 😢
@TheSinisterheroes
8 ай бұрын
The powers that be don’t want to give us psionics. Which is just unfair. Though from the ua’s that they drop they are so cool and soooo strong!
@kwaksea
Жыл бұрын
2 Sending spell per Short Rest sounds very useful. Too bad, it has to fight among other spells for Spells Known unlike Cleric or Druid.
@TheSinisterheroes
Жыл бұрын
The sending spell oh the fun to be had
@BlazeLycan
9 ай бұрын
I don't understand how Awakened Mind could be used in the way you describe. Firstly, every google search I have consulted has said that the ability cannot replace verbal components to cast spells, although it can replace the verbal commands for spells like suggestion (which, by the fact that this ability always makes communication understood, means it works on creatures you don't share a language with). Second, the ability does say you are speaking to it, albeit telepathically, which to me suggests that you can't just send thoughts to their heads, bypassing voice recognition. Third, guttural, amoebic, strange non-language doesn't sound like it would work, since it isn't an actual language you are speaking. Might make more sense if you try speaking in an exotic language like Deep Speech which, given that it is speech that sounds like stars forming; probably masks your voice rather well. Something interesting with Create Thrall is that it does count as a Warlock feature that curses, meaning you can have Maddening/Relentless Hex invocation on it. Roleplay wise, I like the idea of having Maddening Hex on it, as that serves as a way to psychically punish the Thrall with minor damage as an Intimidation Tactic. But teleporting to it with Relentless Hex and attacking it is also interesting, because as it is Charmed; it cannot attack you. It may attack allies and party-members, but if it truly is powerless to you, that really plays into the advantage on social checks and may make it even more willing to do as you wish out of self-preservation For the same ability, I prefer using Hypnotic Pattern to cause the incapacitation. It does all that Hideous Laughter does, and basically better. It's a more useful spell overall, and the target's speed is 0, meaning it cannot move, making up for the difference in the laughter causing prone.
@TheSinisterheroes
9 ай бұрын
For awakened mind I have always discussed it with my DM’s and we came to the agreement that it can work in that fashion. I find reasoning in how I interpret the ability. I can’t express enough that it’s totally ok to disagree with me on this. If you think it shouldn’t work that way it’s fine what matters is that your game feels right. I am glad you see the joy in maddening hex I feel like people don’t talk about it enough
@BlazeLycan
9 ай бұрын
@@TheSinisterheroes Oh, it would feel nice, don't get me wrong. I just don't think it works like that RAW, thus I would very much like to understand your reasoning better.
@tylerh2548
8 ай бұрын
It seems very obvious that the telepathic communication is telepathic. No reason the listener should be able to discern the source. However, telepathic verbal compenent of spellcasting is 100% not allowed in the official rules. It should be part of the feature, but is not. That said, I'd allow it as a houserule (unless there was an Abberant Mind or Subtle Spell Sorceror at the table whining why they needed Sorc Points to ignore the verbal components, even with the counter-argument that they also ignore somatic components making their spells un-Counterspell-able while the Awakened Mind still has to do the gestures, thus can be Countered.)
@BlazeLycan
8 ай бұрын
@@tylerh2548 I wasn't saying that the source needs to be discerned. I was asking how one could interpret the ability to work with essentially a non-language.
@tylerh2548
8 ай бұрын
I wish so hard for Create Thrall to impose Dominate, but then I guess that would make GOOlock the strongest class once it hits 14th lvl. Dominate the archmage, and such. But instead it's just kind of....very GM-interpretation reliant on if it's useful at all.
@TheSinisterheroes
8 ай бұрын
I think it could be worked but you gotta work with a dm that is favorable to charm effects
@ShinigamiBJEM
4 ай бұрын
With Illusory Script or using the book of Pact of the Tome make a contract with the creature using the advantage you get on Charisma abilities by using Create Thrall
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