I don't think Blizzard has the know-how to fix trading. This company is in a death spiral of incompetence.
@kevinoneil5120
9 ай бұрын
First there was KZitem voice, now he's doing KZitem *face* 😮
@MrLlamaSC
9 ай бұрын
It's the same face
@iamatlantis1
9 ай бұрын
i call it "youtube googley eyes" he's smitten by us.
@zachray3798
9 ай бұрын
Even if it is. This method proven to work here, why mess with the formula.
@turbo_brian
9 ай бұрын
@@MrLlamaSCexcellent, he's taken the bait :)
@KxNGFeel
9 ай бұрын
@@turbo_brianall i see is a black screen. Maybe i have to pay ever more
@GravyIzSicK
9 ай бұрын
I've played ladders without jsp, ladders with jsp, now with the shared stash i just play single player. most fulfilling d2 experience after all these years.
@aleksanderfidelus
8 ай бұрын
same
@nanolathe1193
8 ай бұрын
ive yet to try it. besides baal runs and getting rushed, most of my mf was by myself. been hearing this a lot tho. maybe ill give it a try
@nikolaydimitrov7701
7 ай бұрын
best HC experience as well - no more dieing to de-sync which is like 90% of deaths anyway
@MrGWAMPO
3 ай бұрын
aight
@greggen63
9 ай бұрын
I think the idea is sound but the idea of Blizzard investing substantial time into new D2R features at this stage feels like a fantasy to me.
@iroxudont
9 ай бұрын
I don't think it needs a separate currency, just make HRs and gems stackable.
@Dunkelelf3
9 ай бұрын
that would be so great. or just simply make this currency tab in the stash already that is just for runes, keys, organs, gems etc. where you stack them on top of each other. i have like mules over mules for gems and runes and items. it's just dumb. especially for torches and annys that basically force you to clutter up the shared stash because you can't dump multiple on a single char. at least you should be able to have multiple in the personal stash and keep the 1 per char limit only for the inventory. i understand the limit makes sense so you can't load up the char with 40 annys but it could be done better imho. just count the first one and "deactivate" the others. so you can have as many as you want but only the first that goes inside the inventory counts.
@Scorch428
9 ай бұрын
just make two servers, one for ppl who dont care about pay to win and just want to trade, and a solo-self found servers. We actually tried this experiment in 2016, when half the player based cried they wanted D3 solo self found. So it was made solo-self found. And everyone quit within 6 months. Even the ones who cried for it.
@hotpancakes9814
9 ай бұрын
i like using JSP strictly for assigning in game value to my items. for example, how many HRs should i charge for x item? i go to jsp and get the FG value for the item and compare it to the FG value for the runes, then charge that many runes lol
@d8l835
9 ай бұрын
The problem with that is that a ridiculous amount of people don't know, or don't care what jsp is, what their made up price of their made up gold is and therefore will not pay the price you ask. The only way you get these astronomical prices is from other people with said made up gold
@Mp3BuRn420
9 ай бұрын
They can't fix the chat system and you want them to handle trading? Lol...I agree it should be in game, but, Big Business is exponentially disappointing. The greed is real!
@umbhunk1
9 ай бұрын
Blizzard will never be able to solve this problem for D2. Look at World of Warcraft. They have an in game currency that is useful, and it results in mass botting and gold buying which would ruin the Diablo 2 Ladder's same way JSP does. I don't mind people having mass wealth going into a ladder season because if you take away D2Jsp currency, it just goes back to real life money becoming the wealth people have going into a season when they can buy a Jah rune for USD instead of forum gold. Regulating that is very difficult, as look at WoW and their gold buying and mass botting issue. I think solving the botting issue would be the best thing to do for the economy (easier said than done), whereas limiting pay 2 win is basically impossible in a system of trading due to IRL money existing. PD2 could add a currency that drops from boss kills or terror zones or some well thought out system, but they would have to give the currency value other than trade because otherwise it is worthless currency.
@oguzcanoguz5977
9 ай бұрын
Hundreds of highrunes... Dude, if there wasnt the rampant duping and botting, no one would have a hundred highrunes. I absolutely hate it when people speak of highrunes as if they are some once in a while rare drops. They are almost impossibly rare, it is unfathomable for someone that plays diablo 2 a few hours a day to reliably get any that they want. I sincerely want them to just make a ladder with no trading between others and increased drop rates to reasonable numbers. I despise trading in D2, partially because I know most of the things other people are selling are not earned.
@Bugeaters
9 ай бұрын
A toxic wasteland of necessity is maybe the best way I've ever heard jsp described
@Roolenstein
9 ай бұрын
It's amazing that d2jsp is still going after all these years, with its forum gold economy
@korlic9
9 ай бұрын
the the values have remained pretty stable over like what 18 years its nuts
@Iffy50
9 ай бұрын
@@korlic9 Are you talking about the non-ladder? The ladder values change like crazy at the beginning of the ladder.
@frankenstein3163
9 ай бұрын
@@Iffy50 No. just saying the currencies. It's like crypto.
@korlic9
9 ай бұрын
@@Iffy50 yeah ladder and they do but if i find say an ist rune start of ladder if i want to trade that for a shako they are both hyper inflated so as a trader it makes no difference. Its only external currencies traded does it make any sort of difference
@Leon-yg5gm
9 ай бұрын
the founders raked in that money.
@DeathSeaTV
9 ай бұрын
All of this was really well thought out which is no surprise coming from MrLlamaSC. One counterpoint I'd make from a business standpoint, D2R was meant primarily to bring in old players for the nostalgia. The resources required to overhaul the lobby and implement a trading system the way you described won't be worth the financial investment from Blizzard when the playerbase has already been established. Blizzard isn't going to bring in millions of new players (and the corresponding revenue) by improving the existing game. They'd have a lot more fiscal success making these changes in a new game and then marketing that game. The only way I can see them making these improvements in D2R would be if they wrap them in some kind of new expansion for D2/D2R that they can then market to new players (which would be absolutely fantastic) but now you're talking years of development and a ton more resources
@DoubleBilly
9 ай бұрын
I've been saying a similar thing. Great point Deathsea
@Icybluechill
8 ай бұрын
Blizzard tried to make a d2jsp with early D3. I thought it was great! I could make a living just playing video games. I play and have fun sell gg items to some dude that doesn’t have time to find them. Also every game with trading has RMT. Because of rmt blizzard makes stricter and stricter restrictions on trading in their games which doesn’t feel good at all. If I see a good item I’ll never use I just have to trash it. For d2r I don’t think d2jsp ruines the game, instead of trading my corn for your potatoes like less developed countries I sell the corn for 1 currency and I can do whatever I want with that. Sure they have roll over fg but if you find something good you could make a lot of fg early on in the season for items later down the line if you want. Or never trade but do the online experience. There’s tons of ways to play and I think d2jsp helped a lot keep the game alive. Effective trading keeps games alive
@rocketits5518
9 ай бұрын
When you farm for 10 hours with no results, trading the occy for a shako lookin real good.
@CockMcBallsddd
9 ай бұрын
You guys who think 10 hours is enough to get something good should find another game.
@frankenstein3163
9 ай бұрын
@@LetsPlayBojangles You mean 15+ years ago
@ManchmalGaming
9 ай бұрын
No I will continue to farm.
@unsane604
9 ай бұрын
That doesn't require d2jsp in any way though.
@masterfoxx5545
8 ай бұрын
That's actually a good idea with the ingame store. The currency might be collectable while playing, just small amounts from random drops from bosses, or as rewards for events that pop up randomly few times a day.
@JoKa313
9 ай бұрын
Ladder Slasher is what d2jsp is all about.
@yibrahimovic569
9 ай бұрын
the currency in that "perfect solution" is the most important factor in that equation, and the value that is attached to it
@hollowedout510
9 ай бұрын
d2 jsp, specifically forum gold and its dominance of trading is the second worst thing to happen to d2 online for all the points you accurately mentioned. The worst thing being blizzards neglect. i.e. gold RMT bots constantly spamming and bots in general, which does tie into jsps toxicity. People saying that d2 JSP is the reason D2 is stil so popular are doing the community a disservice, its not d2 jsp thats kept it alive, it is the players themselves, if JSP wasn't there we would default to the next easiest system of trading. There is no point sugar coating it JSP is a cancer on the game and its commendable that the community and players managed to play with or without it ruining the experience, because they enjoy the game. If you dispute it you can look at private servers and game mods and see that enjoyment of the game comes first over having a perfect currency and outlet to trade with, the community just adapts and uses the best option available. Giving d2jsp any credit beyond crediting them perpetuating botting, rmt and making new ladders less of a challenge is kidding yourselves.
@oyeahisbest123
Ай бұрын
Pretty bad argument i would sell item on g2g and save the money in my paypal balance..... this isnt a jsp issue. infact g2g is way bigger and has 1000's of games. Before that way ebay etc. Think outside the box mate. I actually sell items on many private servers on g2g.... Where d2jsp is different from other RMT sites is that any normal user can collect fg without spending a dime of their own money.
@clon8888
9 ай бұрын
Funny how streamer accepts “donation” during new ladders but doesn’t support d2jsp. I wonder where their viewers got their bers and jahs from 🤔.
@ChizFreak
9 ай бұрын
The whole point is that you never know where ANYONE got their item from. If we went by what you say then we wouldn't be able to trade at all with anyone ever unless we support d2jsp, which is a ridiculous argument. If anything, your statement proves that d2jsp shouldn't exist, so we can be less distrustful on the origin of items.
@clon8888
9 ай бұрын
@@ChizFreak I never said trade man. I am just staying viewers are donating their gear to stream which they gladly accepted.
@monarchistdesade6989
9 ай бұрын
It's bad faith, usually he uses community to push a certain special event. A big part of his content is solo self found. Heck, not even a fan of him and I'm somewhat aware what's his content is about.
@danplath1
8 ай бұрын
It's not bad faith. If he mentions he needs something during stream there will always be people willing to give it to him. And this is for all streamers, not just him.
@JaGGeR-
2 ай бұрын
@@danplath1yet if you or I mention we need something we get shamed for it and told "go MF". Oh, like your botting program does for you?!
@xBDE
9 ай бұрын
This ladder season was the worst ever for botting. The rarest items in the game were tanking by 20-50% everyday from day 1. Never ever have we seen Shaco @ 100Fg on Day 2, it was absolute madness. Definitely an eye opener
@thekillawookie7104
9 ай бұрын
The game going to roughly $15 for a copy during black friday sales aren't going to help:(
@UnStop4ble
9 ай бұрын
@@thekillawookie7104 yep, even if they would actually do banwaves, botters for sure stocked up immensly on copys. I hope they will introduce an ai learning ban program as they did with ow. But its definately not worth it for them so i guess that will never happen :D
@frankenstein3163
9 ай бұрын
"The rarest items in the game were tanking by 20-50% everyday from day 1" is this true n hard core ?
@frankenstein3163
9 ай бұрын
@@thekillawookie7104 I don't think bot'ers need keys as I have not heard of a ban. It's odd as a theory in the past was that the more key banning the more moony they make
@lasersoft120
9 ай бұрын
I think the biggest issue for this is because its not just 1 realm, its the whole world that can share items. Used to be US West only. Or US East only. europe only. couldn't trade between them. now it doesn't matter, they can just swap realms and trade.
@MrHowzat123
9 ай бұрын
Great video. I only use Traderie and find it pretty good. Haven't found anything worth more than 40 Jah yet so no issues with trading. I don't want to use D2JSP because I honestly think I'd find the game boring, especially for ladder. If I was fully specked on day 3 of ladder I'd probably stop playing. I start ladder with a particular end game build in mind that I want to achieve, and it usually takes me 3 months to get there. When I do get there though I find it extremely rewarding, feels like I earned it.
@rafaelsimao6383
9 ай бұрын
Nowadays, what I do to avoid that is just spend all my fg every end of season and deck out the chharacters, then get a fresh start.
@duncanedgin9433
9 ай бұрын
Traderie seems just as sketchy and exploitable lol
@MAarshall
8 ай бұрын
@@duncanedgin9433 Unless something has changed it's just a listing site where you trade items for items. Instead of sitting in game waiting forever you put up an advert and people can contact you with offers. No forum gold or anything like that.
@Gauldoth06
6 ай бұрын
@@duncanedgin9433 🤡no
@grog189
9 ай бұрын
The transfer of wealth between ladders is EXACTLY why I personally dislike it. I'd even prefer people have to go spend money every season to get more fg instead of just starting with wealth would help prolong the time it takes for people to get stuff. RMT is still bad but at least it would hurt peoples wallets. Not just sell off all your stuff when you are done for the season and then use it to purchase what you need next season early on.
@Chris-ee5xg
9 ай бұрын
Yeah it is the reason i haven't taken D2 ladder seriously. I have played a few ladders for fun but i always know people will buy items for FG while im spending a whole day mfing for junk
@Iffy50
9 ай бұрын
I've done about 10+ D2 ladders. (not just D2R) I have 7442 fg right now, but I always write down what my total is before I start the new season and I don't use any legacy fg. It's still MUCH better to trade through jsp. I can find what I need fast and I can sell what I have to sell fast.
@Scottosaur
9 ай бұрын
I certainly don't disagree that there can be a transfer of wealth but it's not as useful as you might think. Towards the end of ladder, items are worth peanuts (let's say for example a shako would sell for 10fg) and when a ladder begins, a shako will start around 3,000fg. Now you can definitely accrue enough wealth to get a shako much faster at the start of ladder, but your wealth is tanked for wanting to buy something so quickly. So unless you're willing to farm and sell 300 shakos at end of ladder value to buy one new shako, you wait for prices to drop to reasonable levels and have probably found enough other items in the meantime that would have equaled a trade for a shako in-game. To me, it's just a better barter/trading system that saves you time and effort rather than trying to communicate through D2's clunky comms.
@MrJosa82
9 ай бұрын
Yes that broke it for me.
@awbobsagetable
8 ай бұрын
the fact that you prefer rmt over someone playing the game consistently over time, accumulating wealth, is hilarious.
@kovarny88
9 ай бұрын
at first I was against jsp, but when I started playing actively I needed a place to trade and jsp turned out to be the only place where I can buy and sell in a few seconds. jsp is a part of d2
@SuperZakaru
9 ай бұрын
I can farm up fg, ladder reset hits, day 1, i buy a shako,. nigma with currency from the previous season, completely removing the whole reason to play the game which is to slowly get stornger with the gear progression system, not start with end game gear instantly.
@MoseTM
9 ай бұрын
Comparatively, a Shako on launch week is probably 1000ish or so FG, compared to the 40 it drops down to within a month, so the question is: who is really winning here? @@SuperZakaru
@SuperZakaru
3 ай бұрын
@Dark_side9999 you say this like people can't buy fg directly from the site or even cheaper method from the jsp back market where 1k fg is 10 bucks. Or even cheaper in bulk. Also, I can make over 100kfg in the first week almost every ladder reset selling Classic Rushes on hardcore.
@smalps-gaming
9 ай бұрын
I totally agree with you with all this. As a NON Ladder player, since I don’t have the time to compete in a ladder, I have been playing D2R non Ladder since the game launched. 3000 hours into the game all 100% Non Ladder. I use traderie which I like because it just facilitating normal person trades. The issue I have now is that because JSP exists, there are items that are in the 40 jah range. And like the only way a normal player would have that many Jah runes would be from making trades with JSP users. And for sure ladder is not attractive to me because its not really a true economy reset, because people on JSP carry their wealth from ladder to ladder. Like if you want that, then play non ladder. I get that JSP works for a lot of pvp players. Its where people trade for these GG items, but if there was another widely adopted system, if blizzard made their own auction house, it would be just as good.
@WeedNoTobbaco
9 ай бұрын
yup jsp make the game worst for sure i saw a dude with enigma first day d2r was lauched, i asked how and he said jsp lul
@NofirstnameNolastname
9 ай бұрын
@@WeedNoTobbacoooh no Really!?! that must have ruined your experience. Did you quit the game.
@Scorch428
9 ай бұрын
i use ladder to MAKE fg, not trade it. Stuff goes for massive prices the first 2 or 3 days.
@smalps-gaming
9 ай бұрын
@@Scorch428 what would you need to make FG if it didn’t exist? And all you could do was trade items?
@princetolten4403
9 ай бұрын
Just a correction that a perfect grief pb sold for 150k fg. So a ba base will sell more. Also ChocolateCoveredGummyBears is damn hot.
@Lok-TM
9 ай бұрын
d2jsp is the only thing that has kept LoD going for 20+ years.
@marc-etiennemercier6584
4 ай бұрын
If you can call that LoD or just some marketing game. You spend more time browsing a website than actually playing the game. And this is an ex jsp user speaking. At some point I had a perfect LLD zon with 4 bots running and somehow it was the most boring experience I had. My best experience has been to mf it all myself when d2r came out. Now I just got into hardcore and I'm having even more fun.
@Lok-TM
4 ай бұрын
@@marc-etiennemercier6584that's cool, to each their own. I've been playing since launch, took a good 10 year break, but I'm into competitive melee, and I find a lot of fun in being a tier 1 dueler. Without jsp, it would take years to get gear in that echelon, and as an adult with a kid, I simply don't have that kind of time.
@oyeahisbest123
Ай бұрын
@@marc-etiennemercier6584 sounds like you were just trying to get rich rather than playing the game and I would say is a personal issue really..... Keep a screen open make a big post and just have fun....
@marc-etiennemercier6584
Ай бұрын
@@oyeahisbest123 You're probably right. I did spend more time making signatures for jsp users than playing d2 actually.
@wispgb_
9 ай бұрын
1 Key thing you missed is that it allows you to accumulate larger amounts of wealth with much smaller trades. For example someone could farm spirit or insight packs and sell them for 1 or 2fg until they have enough to buy a Ber rune. Do the same for a Jah and it enables someone who couldn't otherwise afford it to trade for an Enigma. Also JSP does offer mediators to keep trades safe.
@SlimStarCraft
9 ай бұрын
I find it funny how everyone was so but hurt about the D3 auction house that blizzard had to remove it but everyone seems to be fine with D2JSP... i dont get it
@Flemeth85
9 ай бұрын
A small, vocal minority shouted with amplified voices (like MrLlamaSC) so Blizzard removed it. Most people were perfectly fine with the AH in Diablo 3. This world has become run by minorities that shout.
@PlayJAKPlays
9 ай бұрын
If blizzard wants to get rid of third party trading sites, and doesn't want to spend time/money adding a better trading system into an old game (via patch or expansion), blizz could just come up with their own trading site, and make the site cover all ARPGs and Looter-shooters they have and/or might dream up in the future. it wouldn't eliminate third party sites, but it might help them cut off some amount of future business from being sent to third party sites. if it covers all tradeable items across all past and future blizzard games, they wouldn't just be doing it for "this old game" they'd be doing it to help support and sell future games, they could also advertise other games and merch there... it's a win-win, more money for blizz.
@MrLlamaSC
9 ай бұрын
probably the most likely chance we have
@boocethebooce838
9 ай бұрын
or at least an api like poe has... poe lets you list items for sale directly from your stash and lets trade sites pick it up via api, so multiple trading sites can pick up the same items, meaning the market is more consolidated and prices make more sense. this + better trade system would be huge
@EMTgamer
9 ай бұрын
@@boocethebooce838 Huge sections of POE trading are operated by RMT. I would caution against holding up POE's framework as a model.
@DanielgunKim
9 ай бұрын
Both trading in either the game itself and on d2jsp has risks and issues. However, I still think trading in d2jsp is far superior. You can post old items in greater quantity, you can see the current value for more fairer pricing, there can be a universal currency, find more venues to trade, and so forth. Also, some people may not have the time to mf ber runes. This is what makes ladder resets fun for me. It’s not perfect but it’s a better alternative than sitting in game to wait for someone to trade saying, “My Ist for your Jah” games.
@unsane604
9 ай бұрын
There's optimism, and then there's realism. They haven't solved this in >20 years. It is what it is. It's an SSF life for me.
@oyeahisbest123
Ай бұрын
pretty bad excuse mate. its fine to play single player but even if you played online its not like they will affect your characters. You just cucked yourself from being able to make friends or join a legit discord trade community
@josephsnyder1694
9 ай бұрын
Disagree. I think using JSP (and traderie even) help new players identify what items are good/useful/sought after and not just chuck em on the ground when they see a blue monarch with some sockets and block chance. It also lends to making any play style more fun. Rune farming/leveling/gold finding/rare jewel hunting crafting, so many more drops mean something when you can assign value to it. And if anything a NEW NEW player? They benefit the most from any of this. With or without JSP they’re starting with nothing. Without JSP they’re stuck holding the bag if they find a gfg item at the start of ladder. With JSP they get paid off. I played d2 single player for about 6 years on and off throughout my life, and the most fun I’ve ever had with this game has been when the drops were this meaningful
@oyeahisbest123
Ай бұрын
Pretty bad argument if there was not d2jsp i would sell item on g2g and save the money in my paypal balance..... this isnt a jsp issue. infact g2g is way bigger and has 1000's of games.
@filipposvavaletskos3085
9 ай бұрын
Didn't Blizzard use their own version D2JSP in D3 called "The Aution House"? Didn't Blizzard think it made finding items to easy so they shut it down for that reason? Am I the one missing something here?
@MichaelPohoreski
9 ай бұрын
They shut the RMAH down because most people DON’T want scummy Pay-to-Win in their games. Blizzard also *intentionally nerfed the drop rate* to “incentivize” people to use it.
@LassetUnsSpielen
3 ай бұрын
Some people play D2 for the PVP part of the game. Not everyone wants to spend over 1000 hours farming for that Enigma just to have a sliver of a chance in competetive PVP. If you make things like high runes so unlikely to drop, trading and scamming are bound to happen. Also D3 had an auction house, if you remember. For some reason it got removed. Everything the game needs is a double inventory window of both players, both can see the content, both have to agree on the trade. Maybe something like a "Horadric Trading Cube"
@arjensmit6684
3 ай бұрын
So true. I would say problem number 4 is that because the currency exists outside of the ladder season, the inflation is beyond enormous. That of course is a good thing for issue 3, at least if you want to buy a decent item on day one of the ladder, you are paying a fortune for it, but it does screw the economy a bunch. You have to just sell everything you find and dont use asap before it loses 95% of its value. Biggest different experience is that i used jsp extensively and never had any issues with scammers whatsoever.
@invoker5632
9 ай бұрын
Hey, I am thinking about getting back to D2 and wanted to purchase D2R, but have few questions since I will be playing only single player, is D2R like original DIablo were best rune words were blocked for Ladder only? I used to play pluggy mode where all rune words where avaiable for single player, also can you swap items in single player between your characters like in pluggy mode?
@MichaelPohoreski
9 ай бұрын
All runewords are unlocked in D2R single player. There are 4 stash tabs in D2R. Each character has 1 private stash tab and 3 shared stash tabs which are shared among ALL characters. It makes it easier to mule than vanilla but harder than PlugY. The stash size also got increased to 10x10. D2R is a mixed bag. The graphics are gorgeous along with the silky smooth 60 FPS but PlugY does NOT work with it. Thankfully _most_ of the QoL PlugY fixes ARE in D2R such as fixing the cow king portal bug. Probably the only thing you will miss from PlugY is being capped at 3 stash tabs and not being able rename them. LAN play being gone is the other one. I’ve been playing D2 for 23 years and still miss PlugY but D2R is a great remaster.
@invoker5632
9 ай бұрын
@@MichaelPohoreski Thanks for info, last thing I wanted to ask, are you still able to reset your skills like in plugy? or like in the original you can do it in total 3 times, 1 per normal/nightmare/hell play thro?
@MichaelPohoreski
9 ай бұрын
@@invoker5632 D2R has D2’s original skill reset system: farmable essences to craft a Token of Absolution along with Akira’s single use reset per difficulty. If you play D2R single player there is an online character editor to edit skills if farming essences is too time consuming for trying out builds.
@JoblessPunk
9 ай бұрын
100% with your number 5 point, D2jsp really does take a bit of fun out of the game. When I used D2jsp for a bit I felt like I was playing the "D2jsp market" instead of actually playing D2 and that really wasn't much fun.
@chocolatecoveredgummybears
9 ай бұрын
lmao cry more
@sakaraist
9 ай бұрын
@@chocolatecoveredgummybears damn homie, didn't know you were so invested in how someone else plays a video game.
@chocolatecoveredgummybears
9 ай бұрын
@@sakaraist imagine defending not using jsp
@MaTTer1235
9 ай бұрын
It ruins the game for non JSP users and devalues items. People with accumulated FG can get fully geared with GG gear in less than 3 days at the start of ladder. It's absolutely unfair and it's not even debatable. @@chocolatecoveredgummybears
@fepethepenguin8287
9 ай бұрын
Yes... but that can be a whole other part of the game... easy to not use. Iv never traded a thing in my life. But for some people, searching those valuable items knowing there is a place to sell them. That's a whole new dimension
@Horus137
9 ай бұрын
I hate D2jsp, I blame them for corrupting Diablo II. Not wealth reseting with ladder reset, being real-money auction house (thing that we hated in Diablo III), gatekeeping new users from earning fg because of massive bot farms and fg-millioners, ability to earn fg from other games (e.g. Runescape) and use it in Diablo II, also security and privacy issues. The answer for this problems is Blizzard-backed in-game non-real-money Auction House like in Oldschool Runescape. For me it's a perfect solution. They can even create iron-man mode like in OSRS, where iron-man players can play alongside normal players, but can't trade with them, actually can't trade with anyone (tbh ultimate iron-man where players can't use their chest would be fun too).
@MrLlamaSC
9 ай бұрын
Yeah the true solution really just lies with blizzard implementing something in game
@iamatlantis1
9 ай бұрын
The gate keeping, ahh indeed. I dont even have a D2JSP account and I could tell that people were doing that. Things like buying up every last griffons eye and hording them all to control the price. Its also made people infinitely greedy and prone to cheating with controller and scripts to loot things etc.
@marckybase
9 ай бұрын
@@MrLlamaSC so you want trading bots instead of mf bots?
@czypher
9 ай бұрын
The problem is boting, not d2jsp.
@iamatlantis1
9 ай бұрын
@@czypher valid point
@TheRustyPlace
9 ай бұрын
I miss the old active trading channels in game.
@GO-nf5bp
9 ай бұрын
The problem in traderie and d2jsp is fake bids. People use multiple accs to push the price. Real worth of 20/5 is 1k. Is very complicate to explain the system and strategie of this people. By careful in tradeing.
@Volvesite
9 ай бұрын
While i do agree with this, i believe they tried something similar with the auction house in D3. Pretty sure now that its microsoft owned, they would see dollar signs and would be more inclined to do pay to win.
@ClericPreston_
9 ай бұрын
whilethe real money auction house in d3 was a bad move I honestly loved the regular auction house
@JGComments
6 ай бұрын
Blizzard should add a "Trade" difficulty that is just Normal, so that all the trade games could be made there. Would be a simple thing to add.
@jnf1283
6 ай бұрын
I used d2jsp heavily back around '09, but it was very different back then. My experiences back then were great, but I've tried it more recently and it's changed a lot and not for the better.
@DrewDalasta
9 ай бұрын
and this is why i just play single player
@oyeahisbest123
Ай бұрын
pretty bad excuse mate. its fine to play single player but even if you played online its not like they will affect your characters. You just cucked yourself from being able to make friends or join a legit discord trade community.
@blackaspitch631
Ай бұрын
As much as I like this idea and agree the major downside is that it blizzard takes over a d2jsp type system inside the game what's stopping them from being the ones that sell the FG. They won't build a new part of the game just to support trading in the game for free they will need to make money somehow. Either they will sell the FG like they do in Diablo immortal or start charging a monthly service fee just to access the game. They can't put labor into a system without it making them money somehow.
@tev984
5 ай бұрын
I do believe JSP ruins the "spirit" of ladder. The fact that a new ladder starts is a clean slate. If you're sitting on 50k FG you can essentially just buy a whole characters worth of gear. It also fuels the botting
@gerggergungson7885
9 ай бұрын
fun police. i understand a few points you made, pretty much the only two negatives i see is that; 1 the average player who doesnt use jsp might have a harder time trading because the economy is flooded. if trading in game was improved, this wouldnt really change though, JSP just streamlines that. 2 if you are trying to break records or get top of ladder or some other competetive goal, you have a disadvantage not using it. so, kind of sounds like "nooo! i grinded for 3 days to get here and you shortcut!" is it the crying wojak meme i'm picturing
@erikc6952
9 ай бұрын
Man do I hate d2jsp. So much that I don't want to play ladder or online in general because wealth transfers between ladders and has been around for some for nearly 2 decades. Plus can 'donate' and get the forum gold that way too. I always refuse to trade with people who admit to using it. It's so widespread though it's almost impossible to escape. Recently tried D2R classic to see if I could switch to it and get rid of the majority of the power of runes and runewords on d2jsp but went as a throwing barbarian and found out quickly in classic that only white throwing weapons exist. Really ruins the competitive spirit of the game and I hate it so much.
@MrLlamaSC
9 ай бұрын
One of my biggest reasons for playing ssf mostly!
@therebelofchaos1674
6 ай бұрын
Eh, agree to disagree. I still play solo self found and sell valuable stuff I find there because I just like the idea of showcasing and/or pawning off valuable items that I find, and it's the best way to do it. I've rarely bought anything there, and usually it's with fg that I've earned off my trades in Non ladder and it's usually stuff I can't be assed to go get myself (tons of pskulls to reroll diadems, larzuk services, etc.). You do you though boo.
@swadlol
9 ай бұрын
This is all built-in in POE. 1. Right click item, set price 2. … 3. Profit But you have to buy a premium (shop) stash tab for like $5 or post your items manually on the official forum (they still show up in all searches)
@KSechrist
9 ай бұрын
You know you can search the games to join, right? You can put in "Shako" and it'll only show games with "Shako" in the title.
@LetsPlayBojangles
9 ай бұрын
It only displays from the 16 games you had listed in the first plays. Not the entire realm you're on
@AaronJLong
8 ай бұрын
I've thought myself, wouldn't it be nice to have a system as convenient as D2JSP, but without people bringing in FG from older seasons or different games, etc. But then, new season drops, no one can purchase or import FG into the system, so how do people people buy/sell things without currency, and we arrive back at having to use ingame items as currency.
@mikesgtag9188
9 ай бұрын
I think running bots at a small personal level to find loot and level is fun but some people do it on a huge scale to make it a job and that just kills it.
@thestabbinhob0986
9 ай бұрын
Jsp ruined diablo for me. Never imagined how horribly cancer that community is. I thankfully was able to enjoy a massive offline run since then.
@MrLlamaSC
9 ай бұрын
Thank goodness offline is an amazing experience
@oyeahisbest123
Ай бұрын
Pretty bad argument Considering you are not forced to interact with them and could just play with a select group of friends or a private trade community. You cucked yourself into playing alone is all. if there was not d2jsp i would sell item on g2g and save the money in my paypal balance..... this isnt a jsp issue. infact g2g is way bigger and has 1000's of games. Before that way ebay etc. Think outside the box mate. I actually sell items on many private servers on g2g.... Where d2jsp is different from other RMT sites is that any normal user can collect fg without spending a dime of their own money.
@MoseTM
9 ай бұрын
I've only and ever used JSP strictly for: earning my own forum gold, which i in turn use to buy upgrades for me, that's it. JSP is no worse than Blizzards own Blizzard token. Buy blizzard token > sell it for gold > buy *literally Whatever you want* in World of Warcraft. Yes D2 is outdated these days and could use a Plethora of quality of life upgrades, but that's what we have Path of Exile for. "Some people will buy forum gold and all the items on a ladder reset" Yes - and people will cheat in shooter games, welcome to the internet.
@jblps
9 ай бұрын
The currency could be gold or 1b gold=1 That way it resets but you can still farm it in game. Might solve the whole gold is worthless thing
@Victor-sm6vr
9 ай бұрын
Let's be honest, not being able to trade at all would be heaps and bounds better than playing a P2W game like D2R. A solution to this problem would be to shut down any website that acts like a store of wealth with a lifecycle longer than the D2R season. I don't know if people realize just how much did d2jsp hurt the game that they love.
@johnniiee146
9 ай бұрын
Can you trade your way up to the best rune from like the most basic trash item with trading value?
@fisherj5087
7 ай бұрын
Sort of. Save up Rals and Pgems. Rich mofos will occasionally trade puls for bulks of them.
@waltlock8805
7 ай бұрын
Late reply, but since a new ladder is about to start: Yes, yes you can. Trade low runes for spirit and insight in early ladder - along with other useful items like keys. A few weeks later, when prices drop, you can buy your high runes. Or just trade a lot of spirit packs and do it that way.
@AltFFearYT
9 ай бұрын
I like d2jsp and won't change my mind. I never had much luck mfing, but I loved to convert lower crap items (junk jewels, pgs, lower runes, bases) to fg und shop items I really need. I started at 0. If you are against trading ingame items vs time(=money), you are against Traderie aswell. Same goes for secondary market (itemshops, ebay). It's always exchange time=money=other stuff(ingame items). It's for EVERYthing on earth. It's called capitalism.
@MySweetShadow138
3 ай бұрын
You're the first streamer/youtuber that I've seen actually pronounce Ber the right way, and doesnt say "bear". I like you already
@stevenschoeler5380
8 ай бұрын
D2jsp exists over decades cuz there is a need for some ppl to play efficient in several ways: - Time on earth ist limited, some have jobs that simply dont allow legit grinding at a certain level, so im okay with that "workaround". - I love the fact that jsp allows me to transfer from ladder to nl without loosing the invested time aka wealth, reset has always been a real turnoff to me, cuz when its between improving gear without time limitation and gathering wealth (nl) VS loosing anything and start allover again and again (lad), i prefer #1. Like i prefer 1 top car instead of 20 crap ones. - Last and probably the most important aspect: i can cash out from D2R and did not waste all that time and value investment, or just invest the Forumgold in other games. I agree that it makes the game less intense / thrilling to take that short route, but on the other hand, if ur into pvp or like mentioned short on freetime, its a gamechanger. A friend of mine works in shifts, even on saturdays and sundays, when D2R launched it was the only way for him to keep up so that we could play together at a same level (charlevel/gear/general progress).
@JGComments
6 ай бұрын
Traderie is good, but the best part of JSP is that you can trade 20 items worth 5 for one item worth 100.
@ischju
9 ай бұрын
Hence I love single player !
@SoundboundOfficial
9 ай бұрын
The d2jsp UI is a crime by itself. It makes my eyes bleed, it was inexcusable even in 2002, but now it's just madness to even think that such a putrid site still exists, let alone thrives, to this day. It all comes from that stupid idea from back in the 2000s that you can build ANY kind of site using a bulletin board engine. Well yeah, you COULD... but that doesn't mean you SHOULD. It's an abominable, fugly patchwork at best.
@bigzlowered
9 ай бұрын
I was hacked years ago while being a active member of the community but was never able to recover my account. Lost trust in the site after that.
@NovocaineTV
9 ай бұрын
I original found d2jsp back in the day looking for a bot like 2003ish? But also does not support botting since around 2005 and any mention of it on its forums gets you instantly banned.
@justinclarke981
9 ай бұрын
Before D2JSP and LOD when the game was its original, classic version, was its most pure form. Stones of Jordon were the currency because they were so good and they were used to socket items AND they were hard to find. Once LoD came out with runes and being able to socket items as a quest was a thing, SOJs basically stopped being worth anything to anyone unless they were playing classic, which, in its current form is basically a ghost town. JSP and Bots finally took down Classic Diablo 2 and with it the very essence and soul of the game. You get rid of D2jsp, Bots, and LoD and you have a perfect game IMO.
@fallenmessiah3308
8 ай бұрын
The unfortunate truth is that D2 has always been pay to win. I know not a lot of people want to hear this, but it's true. d2jsp has always been around, other 3rd party shady websites have always been around. The thing is, not many people have the time or willpower to sink in hundreds of hours into the gambling slotmachine simulator that is Diablo 2, in hopes that they will get one single item that they need to complete their build. So trading has always been mandatory in that regard. And while I personally opposed buying for forum gold or items (never have or will), because it makes the game cheap to me, that meant that some items were simply out of my reach until near the end of ladder seasons. I will make a video about that one day
@LosLangkos
2 ай бұрын
MS/Blizz wont do anything like that ingame again. They did it in D3 and failed miserably. Probably because they wanted to earn off of it. PoE is my prime example how to do trading ingame: Have different "currencies" ingame which can as itself be used to create items and so have a certain value attached to their "ability", which are pretty stable. As long as a dev doesnt want to support a community but earn off of a feature its gonna suck.
@skyhighmaximilian
2 ай бұрын
Great video. You explain the problems with D2JSP well. I agree. However, your solution wouldn't work. This is because those who are already accustomed to using D2JSP wouldn't completely switch over to a new in-game trading platform; even if Blizzard were to implement one. They might trade on it, but come new ladder they'd be back in D2JSP for that start-of-the-ladder power boost anyway. And then they'd continue trading there to make sure their next ladder experience would be "smoother" as well. What I'm saying is this: it is too late to implement the fix you're suggesting (even though it is a good idea). It simply isn't worth it to do it for such an old game. A new game with a built-in trading solution is required.
@lassej5653
9 ай бұрын
12:11 poisoning the well fallacy. What a Strange way to try and discredit a site that clearly is no longer about that (botting). The "items are from bots" argument would apply to every single trade outlet you could think of.
@jferares
8 ай бұрын
This is why the launch of D3 was such a let down. Blizzard included an AH! The context was all this, but it also was expected to be like the WoW AH. For those that didn't play WoW back then, the AH was an almost perfect aspect of the game. Well D3 launched and it quickly became obvious that Blizzard simply attempted to monetize the AH. Ouch. It's simply a mechanic that should be designed into the game because it's an important part of the game.
@LaPoubelle42
9 ай бұрын
D2Jsp helped me a lot in my first d2r ladder season. I found a Griffons on day 2 of ladder and traded it for a bunch of forum gold as my first ever trade on Jsp. I was then able to farm for the first week, wait for prices to go down, and then convert all of that value off of an early griffons into a bunch of high runes to gear up my characters. Jsp is really the only way to take advantage of the inflated value of early drops.
@DB-bx7fm
9 ай бұрын
u are so wrong... d2jsp for many years prohibits botting discussions and it's popular not for the trading alone, but for the community and the easy way to bid, see bids, check values, negotiate trades, etc. scamming is not a problem really, i have sold there fg for 2k usd with no problems at all
@matthew5395
9 ай бұрын
That entire argument that FG provides advantage is silly IMO. I started fresh in season 2 of d2r, had 12fg. By the end of the first month i had 30k fg. Point being, assuming you're starting fresh and you hop on at the very start of the ladder....well its time to make that loot! That perceived advantage of others is what allowed me to get a ton of FG. Early on i found a BER, thanks to all those guys with 100,000k+ FG, i was able to sell that BER for 4k FG. Wait a few days then i used that 4k to DECK my guy out. my point is, it HELPED me that there are these whales out there with tons of FG. If there weren't, then i would have sold that ber for 40fg which in turn wouldn't have enabled me to deck my guy out. Those pockets of accumulated wealth actually HELP out the new players. Even a white monarch sells for 200-500 the first two days. Those whales are TREMENDOUSLY helpful for new players. Without them new players would have to grind for literally DAYS to get a darn shako.
@jacobhutton7490
9 ай бұрын
I admire llamas optimism but to think blizzard would give this much attention to d2r as to any at all is crazy, them dealing with the dumpster fire at d4 has their full attention right now and for the long term future. It’s a shame
@WAstateofmind
9 ай бұрын
Trading is rooted in the players too. How often does a player find a Ber rune? So you're telling me something it worth 20 Ber runes? It doesn't even make sense.
@AwoudeX
13 күн бұрын
10m gold for an ist rune? That's like 10-15 travi runs with a decent gold barb, which is much faster than the average ist you find
@Menky90
8 ай бұрын
This is why I have 2 accounts 1 for sitting in a trade game and the other for running Baal to level or quest or farm or whatever I’m doing.
@EricDavidTippett
3 ай бұрын
THEY NEED A D2 REAL MONEY AUCTION HOUSE FFS. Its not what killed D3, it was the best part. It would allow the team to keep working on D2R and make the game even better consistently every season, bringing it back to life. They could just take a 3% cut from whatever sells. I think it wouldnt hurt if they also made experience boosts you could buy for non ladder characters. We also need another Terror Zone mechanic that exists at the same time as the current ones, however these would cause the area to be p8 difficulty and 99 basic enemies. So wed have 2 terror zones to choose from and way more to do.
@alekseinovoselov319
9 ай бұрын
Buying blizzard-forum-gold-analogue for in-game gold can increase gold utility. Also, selling bliz-gold for real money can stimulate ms to introduce in-game auction.
@TheFajczak
9 ай бұрын
Polish subforum is what keeps me on d2jsp for years 😂
@askmedov
9 ай бұрын
What about trades for unspecified items? I.e. I am willing to buy the best tri-res boots for my budget. This kind of trade is only possible on a forum-like trading ground
@DDadams0
9 ай бұрын
*correction* It's pronounced "bear" rune. Not 'bur' He can't keep getting away with it...
@ivanbutcharsky4790
8 ай бұрын
Djsp is the reason why I always played "self found " in diablo.
@AkRogueToe
9 ай бұрын
Hey, this new series of videos made me think about LAN offline. Why is there no LAN Offline? Thanks for the videos, I also love the new play through series.
@SealionPrime
9 ай бұрын
Blizzard doesn’t want people playing online in a forum they don’t control and don’t want mods
@broogul7335
9 ай бұрын
if blizzard made a PoE trade type site JSP wouldn't need to exist I agree with some of your points in theory, but I work 50+ hours a week, so being able to bank up FG over the course of a few ladders to say go hard on a PoE league is a great feature for me... some people may disagree, but I can do say 3X D2R ladder resets, end up with 4-5k FG, and now be able to get a pretty solid char up and running in a PoE league (be careful trading for FG on PoE, that's a quick ban)
@Jerome...
9 ай бұрын
D2jsp sucks for any kind of ladder, but it's amazing for any casual play/standard/people who just enjoy trading for wealth. The only way to have a relevant ladder would be a SSF ladder. Anything else will always be unfair garbage. Even with the best auction house in D2R, D2jsp would still be a thing.
@r2Kd0ugernaut
6 ай бұрын
you missed the root of the issue. how does a legitimate player base get hundreds of HRs to do a trade with any ways? ive been playing this game for 20 years. ive personally dropped less than 1 inventory of HRs, my best season was in d2r where i had less than a stash tab of jah/ber in liquid. there wouldnt be this massive liquid stock of HR's to trade around any ways if it werent for bots. thats the base issue that needs to get fixed before any serious effort is made with trading.
@hardstylahTV
9 ай бұрын
We all know that Blizzard won't do anything =)
@SaveTheSunF1R3x
9 ай бұрын
I think runescape has has the perfect solution for this for quite some time in the form of platinum tokens and spirit shards. basically easily convertible stackable trade currency that has a set conversation rate. 25 gold per spirit shard both ways and 1,000 gold per plat token both ways.
@MysteryMastery69
9 ай бұрын
Tbh the wealth carryover is the main reason i use jsp. I play a bit here and there and dont have time to farm all the stuff i need for a full char. I found a mega valuable trires boots in s1, and that sale has equipped every toon i made since. Selling nl stuff for ladder dtuff is awesome too. If blizz did their own forum it would not work. Most people on jsp want the wealth transfer.
@williamlepine4049
8 ай бұрын
why do u play ladder? At this moment there's no difference between ladder and non ladder except the reset.
@Blueeyedmerle
4 ай бұрын
this is exactly why it ruins ladder play
@arjensmit6684
3 ай бұрын
The wealth would transfer to non-ladder which is fine.
@craigquackenbush4014
9 ай бұрын
OK.. 1 thing NOT mentioned.. is How u can instantly obtain generational Wealth by just finding 1 really GG item early in a season.. Because there is really rich JSPers.. finding something godly will reward u with more then u can ever imagine..
@killaseason5628
9 ай бұрын
I can play an entire month full time and dont find a single Jah/Ber
@maximos905
9 ай бұрын
Yea I wish they would have a mode that has increased drop rates for casual players. My brother and I rotated playing the same account so it was essently non stop and the highest runes we found was a vex and sur.
@clownbabydragon
9 ай бұрын
Well-thought out analysis, too bad activision-blizzard-microsoft-ubisoft-myspace -bethesda doesn't care about D2R since it most-likely has generated mere pennies compared to D4
@kevinoneil5120
9 ай бұрын
I've been without a PC for two years and they STILL haven't fixed the lobby? PD2 figured this out YEARS ago ffs 😂
@MichaelPohoreski
9 ай бұрын
Small indie company. /s “Welcome” to D2 spam for 20 years.
@mobiussquadron
9 ай бұрын
So if they have all their fg transfer to nl, and you can't BUY fg, Where does the fg from the new season come from? How are you going to sell any of the really gg items for their actual value when no one has fg to start with? I would rather them make in game gold have actual value than try to reform trading. Give us a much larger gold reserve, and give us an option to buy random runes in the gamble screen. 3 teirs or rune gambles- low runes being 30k igg each, mid runes being 1 mill igg each, and Lo or higher being 10 mill igg. Give the odds of a higher rune the odds of maybe 1/250 to buy, mid runes 1/50, and low runes within a certain range 1/5 or 1/10, with the rest being flawless or p gems, with maybe a 1/100 chance of a respec token, 1/10,000 chance of a extra stat or resis scroll (tome tome from a3 and anya scrolls). If your roll of choice fails, it rerolls for the next tier down.
@yay6586
7 ай бұрын
i had more fun playing d2 before i knew about d2jsp and those were where the real memories and fun were for me
@goindowno3
9 ай бұрын
A special currency might not be totally necessary if you can specify what your item(s) trades for. Naturally players would figure out their own currency. You sell your listed Shako for one Ist, or reverse. A rune / charm / jewel based currency economy would probably naturally form. The ease and instant automatic transactions could help with what is annoying about this in website trading.
@sergeyt2947
8 ай бұрын
Limited trading should be in the game. Like, guild-only-trade (with limited ammount of people in each guild ofc).
@calebr9110
9 ай бұрын
Those "Tradezzzzzz' games were litty back in 2011
@TheSwaGGerFM
8 ай бұрын
ive used jsp for years, its great. people only complain because u can buy fg for real money, but it does solve all the trading issues.
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