People don't want to believe that Dany is Aerys' daughter because he was mad and cruel and his daughter isn't. She's more like her mother than her father, just like Rhaegar was.
@CMLZYT
8 жыл бұрын
Barristan Selmy makes it clear that Daenerys is truly like Rhaegar unlike Viserys who is like Aerys.
@deadbatt9321
7 жыл бұрын
I think Ashara is her mother. Aerys is still her father.
@mizzlemay8388
5 жыл бұрын
Clara Monteiro three years after this comment and now she’s the mad queen
@kekero540
3 ай бұрын
No my motivation is more thematic. My personal theory is that she is a common born girl taken from either Lys or Tyrosh. I think it’d be a perfect reveal to make when she invades Westeros and we will get to see a really interesting turning point in how she may think of herself as legitimate to the iron throne.
@AUPackmule
8 жыл бұрын
As time goes on I am more and more convinced Dany and Jon are twins. It makes sense when you think of the title of the book series.
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+AU Packmule i can see what you mean in a sense - logistically it would make for an interesting dichotomy if they were twins, but I don't think it is absoutely crucial in creating the ice and fire mirroring
@markg.7865
8 жыл бұрын
It seems clear in the show it's R+L=J and Daenerys is the Mad King's youngest. But why does Ned get so angry with Robert, when talks of killing Daenerys? R+L=J just seems too convenient and easy, for the it to be true in the books
@SimplyMicki
8 жыл бұрын
Ned got so angry about Robert wanting to kill dany because she is technically still a child, at that point anyways, and it's dishonorable kill children and Ned is known as being very honorable max
@aish.8793
8 жыл бұрын
I think Ned got mad because he knows that Jon is part Targaryen.
@davidlewis5312
7 жыл бұрын
Ned got mad because it would mean more dead innocent children, just like his resistance and rancor to Rhaegar's dead kids. Ned is very focused on who he blames for certain things and when it comes to the crimes of the Mad King; he targets the Mad King alone. Not a 5 year old boy who didn't lift a sword, and certainly not a girl born after her father's death.
@sleekoduck
5 жыл бұрын
The vision in the House of the Undying confirmed R + L = J. Maester Aemon knew where Daenerys came from.
@RiceyReviews
8 жыл бұрын
Always love you videos man :)
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+Ricey thanks! Happy you liked as always :-D
@einseinseinseins
8 жыл бұрын
Great Video! one of the most interesting GOT-related videos in the past months. The theories seem to be interesting. But I think we should also consider hair colours when talking about these theories. For example GRRM shows us that hair colours and therefore genetics are important in Westeros. Gendry has brown hair and so had Robert. The Baratheon's genetics must be stronger than the Lannister's. Same thing with the Starks and the Targaryens. Except Sansa, all Stark children have dark hair. Stark genetics are therefore partly stronger than Tully genetics. We don't have a Tully-Targaryen child so I don't know whose genetics are stronger but we can assume that Stark genetics are strong after all. The problem is that the Targaryens - due to incest - will probably have just blond chromosomes in their DNA. That would mean that their genetics would be strong. On the other hand the Stark genetics are more diverse so Lyanna's genes might have been stronger than Raegar's. If Jon really is the child of L&R that would be confirmed. Twins with different hair colours are very rare and that's why I think, the twin theory is unlikely. They could still be siblings though. Still unlikely because of the hair colour but possible.
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+eins thanks so much!! Happy you enjoy! Hair colour is an interesting aspect of the story (in one of my older videos - I harped on my issue of r+l=j was that very problem - hair colour) - hence why I tend to agree with you in not really buying into the twin-targ theory. Grrm harps so much on hair colour, but he sometimes does appear to treat genetics in an intriguing manner.
@barbaramartinsmd
8 жыл бұрын
If I am not mistaken, on the books, all the stark kids have red hair/light brown, except for arya, this is another reason why she resembles John and not one of her brothers.
@RUAmplified
8 жыл бұрын
If Daenary's is a stark why hasn't she warg with her dragons or at least one of them yet?
@SimplyMicki
8 жыл бұрын
In the book she has similar warging-dragon-dreams, which as we know from Bran's dream of his wolf Summer and the rest of Stark kids having their dreams of their direwolves is a Stark trait.
@jkidder01
8 жыл бұрын
plus she closes her eyes in the pit and they appear, not exactly warging but a seeming communication is happening between mother and dragon
@CMLZYT
8 жыл бұрын
Bran also had a vision last episode and Daenerys was in it!!
@sbfg1954
8 жыл бұрын
If Jon is a Targaryen than why doesn't he have any connection or interest in dragons?
@SimplyMicki
8 жыл бұрын
+Sjaquelina because that'd be way to obvious. But in the show there a several moments where you can see a dragon near Jon. And Sean bean(who plays Eddard stark) even said his character isn't jons father. Timing and everything points to Lyanna.
@phyllisnefler5725
8 жыл бұрын
Love your theory videos! I have always wondered the significance of Ned's thoughts in AGOT. Specifically why does he get SO upset when Robert wants to have Dany killed? And in that same chapter why does he think of Rhaegar? While I would not be disappointed if it turns out that R+L=J, I am hoping for another twist.
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+Maggie The Frog thanks Maggie! Just like you, I am also hopeful for a unique twist in asoiaf - always makes things more interesting.
@daenerysstormborn2293
8 жыл бұрын
Just because I am not like my father, doesn't mean I am not his daughter.
@sauldragneel4869
8 жыл бұрын
R+A=D is rad! heheh get it heh ...
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+Saul Dragneel HAH- Love it! XD
@remurraymd
8 жыл бұрын
Even after all these years, Ser Barristan could still recall Ashara’s smile, the sound of her laughter. He had only to close his eyes to see her, with her long dark hair tumbling about her shoulders and those haunting purple eyes. Daenerys has the same eyes. Sometimes when the queen looked at him, he felt as if he were looking at Ashara’s daughter ...
@shannond7437
5 жыл бұрын
Robin Murray I think the father is tbd, but she does seem to be Ashara’s to me. She could have been taken by the Mad King and Ned helped them to protect her and get her moved. She could easily be Brandon’s child also. I do not believe she is Ned or Rhaegar’s child.
@lyannatargaryen3223
3 ай бұрын
@@shannond7437I think Ashara and Howland got married. She went to Ned's tent, but he was sharing his tent with Howland. Then after the war she went to the Neck with him after they faked her suicide.
@runecrafter1198
7 жыл бұрын
she isnt called Daenarys Stormborn she IS Daenarys Stormborn of House Targaryen
@randomgamer7799
8 жыл бұрын
The thing about Ashara and Dany looking the same isn't strong at all because House Dayne has Valyarian blood so it would make sense that they would look similar without having and blood relations.
@elmotuz
8 жыл бұрын
What if Rhaegar was also motherfucker? So R+R=D
@AmiWhiteWolf
8 жыл бұрын
😂 I wouldn't be surprise. Those targaryens are messed up.
@IamAmericasDaughter
6 жыл бұрын
Daen=Soldier. Erys =Goddess. Daenerys = Soldier Goddess. Daenerys always introduced as Daenerys Stormborn of the House Targaryen, NOT Daenerys Targaryen. 1st intro in series, books and show, is about cloth. Dayne = origin. Remember who u are. Daynes blazen is star, sword on purple background. Stars talk to Dany. Daynes are one of the oldest houses, chased a fallen star. Purple Empress was killed by brother, a fallen star. Lightbringer anyone? See blazen again. Just some food for thought.
@tycrippen9762
5 жыл бұрын
The main issue here for me is her mother dying while giving birth....like the non trueborn Targaryen or when they mix with a different bloodline
@michaeleaverly7943
8 жыл бұрын
Dany could be the product of Aerys and Ashara (Aerys raped Ashara and that is why she turned to stark). Barrierstan claims something happened and he wishes she would have gone to him. That would also explain the likeness in the eyes.
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+Michael Eaverly yes, I have heard that theory proposed as well! I should have probably mentioned it as well, thanks for bringing it up!
@jasonhowell7601
5 жыл бұрын
Who is here after the trainwreck that was Season 8? R+L=J means very little, Varys hearing a voice in the flames after his mutation what did he hear? Never found out, What is the 3 eyed Raven/crow exactly? Still don't know., See a pattern here? Don't get me wrong I loved( past tense ) the show and books but the show broke under the weight of having to fit two 1,000+ page books into 13 episodes in Season 7 and 8, bad writing and rushing to the end didn't help either, oh well it's over so we can be awaiting ( for how long I do know ) the final two books to see if GRRM can do better, I believe he will, easily. Thanks to all fans and God bless.
@jeffrassuchine983
8 жыл бұрын
These crackpot ideas make the story to complex to follow. Viserys remembers Westeros and tells Dany about it. Is he lying? If Dany comes from Dorne, where does Viserys come from. Does Dany warg like Arya, Bran and Jon or she now needs a wolf? Nothing in GoT suggest any of these ideas about a mysterious Dany birth. Lemon Tree= The Sealord seal on Visery marriage pack between Dorne and Ser Darrry.
@jakecruz9828
8 жыл бұрын
I think something completely different every time i see a new video.
@ash1rose
8 жыл бұрын
I think Dany is as she was presented by GRRM: Aerys and Rhaella's daughter, but the lemon tree paradigm is curious and would possibly implicate Dorne. Have there ever been any direct mentions of lemon trees with respect to that area? I've also heard theorists (maybe you, too!) talk about how Quaithe could be Rhaella who didn't actually die in childbirth, though...that seems pretty direct, too. Rhaella had had a lot of miscarriages and stillbirths nor was death by childbirth uncommon. I think there is some more to both Dany and Jon that we're being told right now, and when it's revealed, it will probably seem so obvious.
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+The Queen of Sevens agreed - I actually haven't heard of rhaella=quaithe though.. it seems strange considering I would think her death is pretty much a given (especially given her history as you say). You are equally right to suspect that things will appear obvious when the whole story is told - usually is the case, especially when a tale is in the hands of someone as talented as grrm ;)
@davidking6242
8 жыл бұрын
every time I hear the theory that she is the daughter of rhaegar and lyanna I roll my eyes
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+kwadwo baidoo I tend to disagree with it as well. Surprisingly though it has gained some traction with many fans of the series. I guess the show will (hopefully) reveal the truth behind the tower of joy this season (hopefully).
@davidking6242
8 жыл бұрын
Charlie In Westeros yeah me too. but i always wonder why people dont want to believe that dany isnt the mad kings daughter. it is a part of her legacy. no one has perfect blood. thats why a part of me also thinks that jon might actually be ned's bastard. it shows no one is perfect and mistakes can happen
@herbthompson8937
8 жыл бұрын
only people that listen to Preston actually believe in that theory
@mrlopez-pz7pu
8 жыл бұрын
for real!!! Most of the theories that are concocted by both book-readers & show-watchers are ridiculous, like Quentyn Martell still being alive or that an ice dragon is buried under Winterfell.
@davidking6242
8 жыл бұрын
Herb Thompson i listen to preston jacobs but i dont believe that. though i do subscribe to the theory that quentyn martell survived with one of the dragons but he is a dead man walking and will likely be betrayed by the dornish.
@tinatoskan1779
8 жыл бұрын
I think it's too...messy, Dany being Rhaegars daughter. We already know she is one of the three dragon heads, regardles of her parentage. I don't think GRRM would go through all that trouble to just change her brother to her father... Regarding that Viserys is dead, and that Aegon is probabbly a Blackfire, there is no one else left that would undermine her claim to the throne (not "legally"). But I don't think that GRRM wants to make this a lession about who should be on the iron throne but who is worthy of being there. Even if Dany was a daughter to Brandon Stark and Ashara, she would at this point be worthy of the iron throne (but not a Targ). She has dragons, I doubt that anyone will ever question her lineage. All this swaping baby mess, I think it's more about Jon and maybe a potential third head of the dragon. All the stuff about "the prince that was promissed", azor ahai etc... Jon being a secret Targ would make him kind of special, more powerful, magical. I think that's the point. This said....If things are actually more complicated... I think that maybe it could be that baby Aegon, that was swaped before the sack of Kings Landing, is Jon Snow (Jons name is actually Aegon), name Jon serves just as a decoy. Maybe Jon Connington saved the baby, brought it to safety to Lyanna and Rhaegar and then went off to war. Maybe he was fake-named after his savior (that gave Jon Con. the idea that he could find someone in Essos to use as a young Aegon). Lyanna could have asked Ned to take care of the baby, because she loved Rhaegar... Cause if the baby was actually hers, I don't think that she would need him to promise her anything. Ned's the uncle so it would be natural for him to want to take care of the baby. But in this theory baby Aegon would be swaped two times, which is kind of weird and also it wouldn't explain why Lyanna died.. Anyway...I still think it's just R+L=J...
@D1str1ct
8 жыл бұрын
+Tina Toskan B+A=J and R+L=A. dany, aegon and tyrion are the dragons. moqorro and quithe tell roughly the same vision.
@SeaWindStar
8 жыл бұрын
""In autumn, Braavos generally knows three types of weather: fog, rain, and freezing rain."" = it says in autumn not whole year whole seasons! ""There are no trees to be found within the city except in the courts and gardens of the mighty""= So there are trees in courts and gardens of mighty in Bravos! ""There are a lot of pine trees in Bravos and it is illegal to cut them."" = so there are Trees in Bravos. R+L=D theory supported by non lemon tree existence in Bravos is hard to believe. If I accept that Danny had a false information about where they had been for 5 years. My question is why , what is the point? Why lie to a 5 years old girl about the name of the place? Better lie her about her real identity. Wasted lies.
@rickyhunt4075
8 жыл бұрын
I don't think R+L=D makes a lot of sense. The most interesting piece of evidence is Ned's fever dreams where he keeps hearing Lyanna and he is so convinced he has failed her even though Jon is relatively safe at the wall. It makes no sense why would they try to protect a Targaryen by claiming she is a Targaryen even though Robert is hell bent on killing all of them not a good plan. If Ned wanted to protect dany he could have left her with the Daynes some Daynes have the silver hair and purple eyes. I think the reason barristan thinks dany looks like Ashara is because I believe that the Daynes are related to Targaryens or at least have some Valyrian heritage.
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+Ricky Hunt I tend to agree with you - although I am still uncertain about the dayne-thing. I remember reading somewhere that apparently GRRM made some comment about how the daynes & valyrians aren't related... but it does pose the question as to where their curious purple eyes come from!
@rickyhunt4075
8 жыл бұрын
Charlie In Westeros I mean there isn't anyone else who has those features except valyrians.
@davidlewis5312
7 жыл бұрын
read up on Egg's parentage (Aegon V) his mother is a Dayne. So Selmy is a bit sop when it comes to Ashara; she was his unrequited love/obsession. If you haven't noticed Selmy spends a lot of Dance self-validating his past.
@danielokoliegbe5208
7 жыл бұрын
david lewis hi
@KellieDoll28
8 жыл бұрын
Great video, glad I found your channel. As for Daenarys, I believe the story we are told in the first book; she is the daughter of King Aerys & Queen Rhaella, and raised in Braavos. As for the lemon tree, they do grow in the gardens of the aristocracy of Braavos. Viserys' marriage pact was signed by Prince Oberyn & witnessed by the Sealord himself. If it had been Dorne, it would've been signed by Prince Doran- Arianne is his daughter- and witnessed by the Archon of Tyrosh.
@HelyneMay
8 жыл бұрын
+KellieDoll28 I agree; no real mysteries here. The only mystery is where the house with the red door is located, although I wonder of it is a guesthouse on the Sealord's property. The lemon tree could have been a gift from Dorne and Doran after the marriage pact, and had special soil and care. When the Sealord died, everyone associated with him would have been turned out.
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+KellieDoll28 thanks!! So happy you enjoy my stuff! :-D I tend to agree with you as well - seems like there are too many characters 'involved' with dany during her early years for her not to have been born at dragonstone.
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+Helyne May well said Helyne!
@HelyneMay
8 жыл бұрын
Charlie In Westeros Thanks, Charlie. :)
@rhyanshelby6572
8 жыл бұрын
I totally thought you said 'incestral seat of Dragonstone' fucking dying XD
@elmotuz
8 жыл бұрын
Not that far fetch. :D
@marianhanna7945
8 жыл бұрын
Interesting theory. I believe that people are just grasping at air. We have had no clues or credible evidence of her parentage being any other than Rhaella and Aerys.
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+Marian Hanna Yes I tend to agree with you.
@WYCD
8 жыл бұрын
These are awesome videos! One point of criticism: You have to stop saying 'whilst'. That's archaic English, and it sounds very strange against your otherwise normal speech. It's like hearing someone say "Did I like the new Batman movie? Verily!"
@everdawn8212
8 жыл бұрын
By the old gods and the new I will be ecstatic when this whole lemon tree issue is put to rest! My personal opinion is that Dany is exactly who she is presented to be. This is a very broad and complicated story and if Jon's secret parentage is true, why must there be another baby with secret parentage? It seems repetitious to me and also bad storytelling. One more note of interest is that you Ned already has a record of being against the horrific murder of young children and babies long before Daenarys came on the scene. When Tywin presented the bodies of Elia's children to Robert, Ned was horrified naming it murder. Robert vehemently disagreed telling Ned that he saw no children only Dragon spawn. The two men quarreled bitterly about the issue and were estranged for a very long time after that.
@jacecase2000
8 жыл бұрын
How long did it take for Ned to break the siege of Stormsend and then find the Tower of Joy? And have we heard any witnesses actually tell us about Dany's birth?
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+jason m not entirely clear, but it sounds like it happened relatively quickly.Not as of yet, but it almost appears to be a stated fact that she was born at dragonstone (Even some of the clips found on the dvds - not that its necessarily canon to the books - show her mother giving birth as a storm rages outside dragonstone.. or so it seems anyway)
@jacecase2000
8 жыл бұрын
I know, they discredit r + l =d by looking at the pre sack of king's landing timeline without explaining the post king's landing timeline. As if Ned had a teleporter or something
@Lady_Rassilon
8 жыл бұрын
Well if you think of it this way: Oberyn martell was sent a way from Dorne around the same time and he could have been able to smuggle them out of Dorne
@Lady_Rassilon
7 жыл бұрын
lol, well I think Varys know about Jon and I have my own Ideas about Jon but that's on another vid
@lyannatargaryen3223
3 ай бұрын
I think Ashara Dayne and Howland Reed got together (Howland was sharing a tent with Ned). She didn't have a miscarriage or commit suicide. She escaped to the Neck with Howland and had Meera, then Jojen later. Since she was fighting for Team Targaryen, Robert might have sought to punish her after the war. Ned went to Starfall to return Dawn, perhaps Ashara was at the Tower of Joy and came with them. He kept their secret, which is why the Daynes named Eddark Storm after Ned. If Ned had knocked up Ashara and it led to her committing suicide, then it wouldn't make sense.
@sleekoduck
5 жыл бұрын
Maester Aemon knew who Daenerys was.
@anthonybandy8442
8 жыл бұрын
fellow KZitemrs= Preston Jacobs: )
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+Anthony Bandy haha, well he is one of them - my friends James of Throne & his mom (among many others) have also come up with some truly unique and ingenious theories as well. Keep in mind I wasn't trying to make a dig at any of them - its WAY harder to create a unique & creative theory and defend it, then to just criticize it (which is mostly what I have done in this vid).
@anthonybandy8442
8 жыл бұрын
+Charlie In Westeros oh yeah he and you and a few others are my favorite theorists regarding ice and fire.
@sophiawilson8696
8 жыл бұрын
Daenerys is going named Visenya, but her parents deaths change all that she was third head of the dragon. While trying birth the third head Rhaegar lost the first head Rhanys of the dragon and possible son Aegon Targaryen.
@stefanfilipovits9221
8 жыл бұрын
Dude, I love your theory videos. I can't speak for everyone but I'm certainly not sick of them. Love your other content btw.
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+Stefan Filipovits thanks so much! Happy you enjoy! :D
@lyannatargaryen3223
3 ай бұрын
In her first chapter in the books (and in the show they also reference it) they (Illyrio and Viscerys) repeatedly say she looks like a princess. Like a princess, as in not actually a princess? I want to know if abyone else caught this, and if so, what did you make of it? It's stated repeatedly as if it's important.
@ladywolf5192
8 жыл бұрын
Great job explain it Dany is a true tang first the look, second dragons mother birth then and she even is flying on one....She has no ice on her:)
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+Lady Wolf thanks!! and great points as well :D
@JadeDarkStar22
6 жыл бұрын
GrrM has said himself, that The TV show is Licenced Fanfiction now. So I do think A+N=J and R+L=A is true, Danny too maybe could be worked in the baby swaps.
@maaiker2977
7 жыл бұрын
Dany being Rhaegar's daughter by his first wife (or ashara)....a dornish princess would mirror Nymeria. Dany going to westeros by boat to conquer it and those boats get burned as well. Nymeria 2.0 opposing an Aegon 2.0 who is trying to unite westeros behind him. Dany's personality also feels dornish...she is unbend unbroken and the unburned. Dorne hiding both lyanna/jon and hiding dany seems logical as well. Rhaegar could have known what would happen and protected the dragon heads. Both his wives being in on it, and both just try to protect their kid. It would explain why Jon was called Aegon as well. And yes people at Dragonstone said they witnessed her birth, but Rhaenys was born there as well and must have been no more then 3 years old. They could have lied to protect her.
@Nga_Babaye
8 жыл бұрын
My problem with R+L=D is Viserys period. I feel like he should know better. What I do think is unique though is in a what if theory, at least as part of the shows as I do believe Dany is more fire resistant there than in the books, is what if Viserys is a bait and switch and he didn't know any better and the real one was murdered too. Probably impossible. I do like the symbolism of lemons representing youth in Westoros, because it seems every child's childhood is soured in some way or another.
@jacquelinehemmings4515
6 жыл бұрын
I definitely think she is the daughter of Rhaella Targaryen, but if she was born nine months after the sack of King's Landing I fail to see how she could be Aerys Targaryen's daughter - hadn't Rhaella already been packed off to Dragonstone a few weeks previously? Rhaella is one of the most mysterious characters in both books and show, we know very little of her character, except that she must have been a very strong woman, look at everything she went through: forced into marrying her brother, although she might have been in love with Ser Bonifer Hasty of the Stormlands; giving birth to her eldest child during the tragedy at Summerhall; the constant miscarriages; watching her brotherhusband decline into madness and suffering horrific abuse because of it; the death of her eldest son, daughter in law and her two grandchildren and being forced into exile and yet no one named her the mad queen and that lot would have sent anyone insane even if they hadn't been genetically predisposed. I hope that Rhaella was able to find a few months of happiness with this long lost love before she died, she definitely deserved it and if she did I hope that Dany was the result even if it means she has absolutely no claim to the Iron Throne. Dany is already a queen in her own right and like Daario and Jorah said, she doesn't really like being queen. She seemed to feel trapped and miserable whilst she was ruling Mereen and she will feel the same if she was ruling Westeros. The only times that Dany seems to be happy is when she is traveling around, whether it is by sea or with the Dothraki.
@patricialitteral30
8 жыл бұрын
Is the R+A=D Theory in part because Baristan Selmy remarked that Ashara Dayne threw herself into the sea after birthing a stillborn daughter?
@Rnayak7
7 жыл бұрын
How come dany says that jon is too small for me and why is there age difference shown between them...bcoz dany was born in the end of the Robert's rebellion and same was john snow in the tower of joy son of lyanna and rhaegar.... Pls. Give me your views.
@SianNadine
8 жыл бұрын
Dude these videos are awesome but can u please just pronounce iron right it's not I Ron it's I ERn
@Dinaazem91
2 ай бұрын
Maybe she’s the only true born child of Aerys and Rhaella??? As in the others where someone else’s???
@JamesBuschell
8 жыл бұрын
Great video Charlie, will be interesting to see if any of these theories come to fruition or if its cut and dry with no twists, Ill have to do a Dany vid some day
@HelyneMay
8 жыл бұрын
+James Buschell Yes, please do! :)
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+James Buschell yes you do! Thanks James!! :D
@taylorgayhart9497
8 жыл бұрын
Also, if Daenerys's proposed mother didn't die giving birth to her, what happened? Plus people referred to her mother as pregnant when she fled to Dragonstone. There would have had to been another baby that didn't survive. That's just a lot of baby swapping going on.
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+Taylor Butler agreed, the baby swapping element is present in ASoIaF but I think we can all agree there comes a point when it gets a little silly.
@taylorgayhart9497
8 жыл бұрын
+Charlie In Westeros did you notice all the citrus in the most recent episode of GOT? (When Arya tumbles down the stairs) my first thought was this theory! I wonder if it was intentional, or if the show didn't consider the importance of citrus fruit in Bravos?
@taylorgayhart9497
8 жыл бұрын
+Charlie In Westeros also I just realized we're the same age thanks to the Bill Clinton scandal lol
@nicoleromero6237
8 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the video for the most part, however your constant slaughter of names and monotone tone are extremely cringe worthy.
@Bettie_Williams
8 жыл бұрын
Iron, not I-ron. Love your videos, but the pronunciation issues are killing me.
@rosettareyes8573
6 жыл бұрын
Ned + Ashara = Daenerys born 9 months after Ned gave Ashara a ‘sword’ at Starfall.
@mattronimus
8 жыл бұрын
sorry...your mispronounciation of quaithe is driving me nuts...there is no eeee sound on the end.
@TheBaxHead
8 жыл бұрын
R+L=D B+A=J Brandon fucked around, Ned didn't. Quathie is Ashara, (starfall/starry mask) She is fullfilling one of Lyannas promises. That promise is to keep Danny safe. Ned thinks of the promise when arguing with the king about Danny. Ned worries he broke the promise because he knows not of the plans of Ashara
@BootlegBil
8 жыл бұрын
I like the idea of Dany being Ashara's daughter. Rhaegar or Ned? Either would work for me. Not sure if Quaithe is Ashara though. Perhaps someone close to House Dayne, and originally from Asshai. Quaithe needs to re-appear, to give Dany more reminders, maybe.
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+Bill Coopland tbh I would be kind of excited if grrm did present something we didn't expect. I am equally doubtful about quaithe being ashara - if ashara is anyone, I'd be inclined to think she's lemore.
@davidhenry1421
8 жыл бұрын
I think a pretty good indicator that these theories are junk comes from the fact that David Benioff said that Dany is Aerys' daughter on inside the episode. Seems set in stone to me, but maybe everything everyone says are lies and dany is the nights king and has ruled westeros the whole time -- Big twist!!
@rickyhunt4075
7 жыл бұрын
David Henry do you have a link for this? If like to see it
@xnightxamex
8 жыл бұрын
but why does it matter who daenarys's parents are?
@RUAmplified
8 жыл бұрын
+xnightxamex true, she isn't a proclaimed bastard
@deathshadow1076
6 жыл бұрын
xnightxamex why does it matter who Jons parents are
@titojunior8334
8 жыл бұрын
Danny is a true Targaryen Rhaegar, Viserion and Drogon are enoughproof for
@sweetbitter2
8 жыл бұрын
The correct pronounce for Rhaella is Ray-la.
@ldariusd21
6 жыл бұрын
So why does Selmy always bring up Danaerys and Ashura's similarities
@natkoori123
8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this vid, I heard all of these before except for the Ashara & Rhaegar theory. But like you said that comes way out of the left field. I hope these theories stay like that, because it's much more interesting to see what Dany is doing rather than who her parents were. Either way she would still be a Targ and have dragons. Does GRRM need to make her anymore special? I doubt it.
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+NAT T happy you enjojyed! And I tend to agree with what you are saying... I don't think they need to make her any more 'special' as you say, but of course I think we'll be sure of things once book 6 is out.
@twilight123424
8 жыл бұрын
Does anyone notice that Danys brother has dark sister when you see them meeting Khal Drogo or is it just my imagination
@pattypiff92
8 жыл бұрын
Charlie, well done! Bravo on another great video, keep them coming! How about a video for book readers on Aegon? Maybe your ideas on how the show and books will "meet back up" with Aegon's absence on the show?
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+pat vig Thanks pat!! Hm good idea! I could certainly do one on aegon! I have a few videos already planned but if I get a chance, I might do one on him :)
@nerdzp1077
8 жыл бұрын
Oh My God! GOT trailer is out
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+Oniel Peterkin review for it is uploading now! :D
@liyadsalem192
8 жыл бұрын
good for IELTS practice: thanks for the exercise
@jason32742
8 жыл бұрын
R+l= d is a reach it is B.S
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+Jason . Donoghue i tend to think so as well.. regardless, I guess we'll see when tWoW comes out!
@os44881616
8 жыл бұрын
I think dany is the doughter of jael balgruff and the dragonborn. #StillMorePlausibleThanR+A=D
I like your stuff keep it up. the only thing I want bring up is that it is Quaith (Quaath)
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+Jeremy Blankenship haha yes, someone else brought that up! Ive heard people say it both ways, so I always switch between saying it with and without emphasising the 'e' in her name.
@vegetableman4619
8 жыл бұрын
Her name is not pronounced "quay-thee"!!!!!! lol Quaithe..."quay-th"
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+Vegetable Man Sorry! I've heard people say it both ways, hence why I sometimes switch between the two.
@gustavopenarete9123
7 жыл бұрын
it was a long summer dude she lived in bravis
@scottfree6479
8 жыл бұрын
I like your video but you need to work on your pronunciation of some names. Quaithe does not have an "e" sound at the end of her name (kway th, not kwayth-ee). Nor does Melisandre (-druh, not -dree). Otherwise your coverage of the theories is non-biased and thorough.
@Hotchocolaterabbit
8 жыл бұрын
1:47 Gaius???
@maggyfrog
8 жыл бұрын
quaithe said to dany that to "go forward, you must go back". if the lemon tree is indeed an important clue to dany's past, it probably makes no difference if it was a memory from dorne or a lavish garden in braavos. the point is, lemon trees are still from dorne, so dany's future has something to do with dorne?
@maggyfrog
8 жыл бұрын
dany is not secretly a stark. if we take robert baratheon's case, as in the genetics aspect, it would mean that both dany's parents would have to have platinum-blonde hair, because fair hair yields to black. remember ned stark back in book one / season one, when he stressed this issue when he realized that joffrey, myrcella and tommen can't be robert's because fair hair yields to black? in real life, this is the case. genes for dark skin and hair are dominant. robert himself is NOT fair-haired even though he is the descendant of a targaryen. why? because one of his ancestors was dark haired and it's that gene that survives in all of robert's bastards today. which is why jon snow could possibly be half targaryen even with black hair because lyanna is dark haired.
@ScottyRusher8-3
8 жыл бұрын
What you believe isn't true in fact it's very flawed for real life, let alone for the books. My mother is black and my father white with blue eyes. Yet I came out very very light skinned with hazel eyes. Your understanding of genetics and dominant genes is lacking
@maggyfrog
8 жыл бұрын
+ Scotty Rusher cool, you're a targaryen haha
@Tyche-Love
8 жыл бұрын
lemon yellow isn't a innocent color lemoncloak
@jaleedsultan963
8 жыл бұрын
Dany with silver hair > Blonde
@blinkblink2446
8 жыл бұрын
Dany father is a targaryen, her dream of the lemon tree and her house are indeed in dorne. She also was born in dragonstone and she has never been to dorne. Guess how all these linked up? It is quite obvious actually.
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+Blink Blink vision of the future? (or a past life) Or maybe you'll need to spell it out for me. :P
@blinkblink2446
8 жыл бұрын
+Charlie In Westeros Her mom is Ashara, some of dany's dreams were what her mom saw, for example dreams involved aerys, rhaegar, lemon tree etc. Ashara was handmaid of Elia, so she knew kings landing and dragonstone very well. She was pregnant in either kings landing or dorne, and gave birth in dragonstone to replace rhaella's stillborn.
@sermycahwhent4165
6 жыл бұрын
Where did you get a picture of Derry? I don't ever remember him shown great job getting that
@jgiledw
8 жыл бұрын
Good Job Charlie!!
@plxdj1
8 жыл бұрын
I still think Ned and Ashara are Jon Snows parents and Lyanna and Rhaegar are Danaerys. Having read the books and watched the TV show religiously the evidence is flimsy for R+L=J people just always jump on it.
@brooklynmoore932
8 жыл бұрын
David Jablonka
@tammymartinez7488
8 жыл бұрын
David Jablonka how can the evidence be flimsy. It basically slaps you in the face. R+l=d that stretches the imagination
@davidking6242
8 жыл бұрын
maybe the daynes are proto valyrians? or married into various valyrian families before the doom?
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+kwadwo baidoo I wondered that as well in my other video on house dayne & Ashara, though someone in the comments told me that apparently GRRM has stated that the Dayne's aren't of Valyrian origin. Whatever the case, I would think there is some connection there.
@davidking6242
8 жыл бұрын
Charlie In Westeros well maybe the purple eye phenomena isnt exclusive to essos and maybe is more common than previously thought?
@ravenarceneaux2283
8 жыл бұрын
+charlieinwesteros I thought the daynes were from valyria?
@Coalemos
8 жыл бұрын
It just occured to me now that I am almost certain Jon Snow will plunge his sword in to Dany's heart and it will come out on fire. I mean that literally. He, the son of ice, will take the fire from Dany, whether or not he does it on purpose I'm not so sure.
@mrlopez-pz7pu
7 жыл бұрын
Chirs MCMLXXXII that heart plunging / light bringer theory is STUPID, the kind of thing a 12 year old boy would find "cool".
@Coalemos
7 жыл бұрын
+mrlopez2681 I don't think it's "cool", I just think that it's a possibility. How else are we supposed to find out who Azor Ahai is? Maybe it won't be Daenerys, maybe it will be some other woman. But the legend states that Azor Ahia tried to quench Lightbringer 3 times. First in water, secondly in the heart of a lion (sounds a bit like a Lannister to me) and thirdly in the heart of his wife. What better way to bring Lightbringing about than either deliberately or accidentally putting it through Daenerys heart and takes the fire from her and come out flaming? How else do you think Lightbringing will be lit on fire? How else do you think they will show, without a shadow of a doubt, that Jon Snow is, in fact, Azor Ahai? I'm not the only one that thinks this may happen..... www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/4jmn2t/spoilers_everything_daenerys_will_be_sacrificed/ PS. You're a cunt!
@Coalemos
7 жыл бұрын
+mrlopez2681 You're right, the number of people that subscribe to a theory, is no indication of its quality, flat Earth for example. However, you are not the arbiter of what and what is not a valid theory or what we may or may not see on the HBO show Game of Thrones, which I'm not sure if you've noticed has taken its own route regarding ASOIAF. You know cause GRRM would never approve of Stannis Baratheon suddenly becoming the worlds most retarded commander for no reason and having Brienne apparently murder him with what remains of the Valyrian Steel from Ned Starks sword, cause you know that isn't stupid or nonsense at all! I am so glad you're so in tune with GRRM and are so sure what he will "employ" and what he won't but even if you are it doesn't matter since Game of Thrones will be over before he finishes the 2nd to last book! If I want to post a comment I don't need your or anyone else's permission, so kindly fuck off!
@amberwebb7298
7 жыл бұрын
Chris MCMLXXXII I'm not entirely sure Jon will kill dany if you lay their story out they'd more or less work side by side with the freedom of people and the battle of white walkers may not see eye to eye but I do see a theory cooperation maybe even a little respect involved but hell that's just me as for the backstory after watching the flash and arrow I've learned to roll with the random backstories even though its a great storyline with the murder, and flat out gory mayhem.
@CaroleS2512
7 жыл бұрын
There are other things about Dany which appear to be contradictory. Firstly, everything she knows about her past comes from Viserys, and I'm wondering how accurate they are. Viserys was not the character with the highest intellect. There are indications that they have not actually been brought up together. For instance, Dany speaks fluent High Valyrian, while Viserys can't understand a word of it. Dany quickly embraced the Dothraki, their customs and learned their language. Viserys hated the Dothraki, called them "savages", and would not even wear the new clothes Dany had for him because they were in the Dothraki style. His behaviour on one occasion was sufficiently bad for the Dothraki to make him walk behind the Khalasar. I don't believe Dany and Viserys were brought up together as small children - so what has been going on? I read a theory that the Dany we see in the show is not really Dany - some Redditors think she is a random child who happened to have the relevant Targaryen looks to be substituted as a Targaryen princess. I find this a little absurd - yet she actually knows nothing about her past, except what Viserys has told her - but we know Viserys was not the most trustworthy person. Quaithe knows the truth - she told Dany once, "The Dragons know - do you?" - so what do the dragons know that Dany doesn't?
@lfcamfc
7 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@Itzudt
7 жыл бұрын
convincing but the catch is, if the Dany in the show is not actually Dany and some girl who bears Targaryen looks, how can she be unburnt at Drogo's Pyre and when she burnt the hut with the khals inside?
@777LoveStory
7 жыл бұрын
The unburnt was an invention for the show.
@777LoveStory
7 жыл бұрын
The only reason why she wasn't harmed in the funeral pyre of Drogo's was because of blood magic being at work. In the show they make Dany a person who cannot burn. It's a slight creative license.
@Heenaramus
8 жыл бұрын
Great info and discussion--but iron isn't pronounced eye-ron 😁
@TheBaxHead
8 жыл бұрын
The internet is gonna feel mighty silly when R+L DOES NOT = J
@christiansaraiva5558
8 жыл бұрын
I guess we'll just have to wait and see
@davidlewis5312
7 жыл бұрын
and alot of people will eat crow when it does after their evidence-less pet theory gets crushed.
@ecstasyecs
7 жыл бұрын
Curious to hear how you feel now :)
@fotomedia2012
8 жыл бұрын
i think ashara is a secret targaryen , and ned is dany's father _ jon is lyanna and rhae 's son...
@AceAcabras
8 жыл бұрын
Some interesting takes there
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+Ace Acabras hope you enjoyed :)
@AceAcabras
8 жыл бұрын
I did. Keep them coming.
@JonasBM3
8 жыл бұрын
9:20 > Someone hearing music in the background :)
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+Jonas Madsen UGH I knew I should have listened over to this recording over with my headset on!! My roommate was blasting music and I stupidly assumed it wouldnt come up since I couldn't hear it when I listened to the recording over again. Haha, ah well..
@a4j6y2l9
8 жыл бұрын
Quaithey?
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+pyjamaprincess97 a few people already commented on the way I said her name. I've heard others pronounce it that way, which is likely wrong. I'll be sure to say 'Quaithe' in the future ;)
@a4j6y2l9
8 жыл бұрын
+Charlie In Westeros I pronounce it as Kaith, though I do agree Quaithe is probably the proper pronunciation. Either way, say it however you want!
@sunfire5790
8 жыл бұрын
PLOT TWIST: arya stark is lynna stark and she will fulfill the prophecy ! 😆
@Lily-ng7no
8 жыл бұрын
+Binnet Mohammed Isn't she younger than Jon
@sunfire5790
8 жыл бұрын
+GamingHQ Jon isn't lynna's kid R+L=J is false
@Lily-ng7no
8 жыл бұрын
Binnet Mohammed You never know and even if he isn't he's needs kid and ned saw arya be born
@sunfire5790
8 жыл бұрын
+GamingHQ Arya might be recreation of lynna in some way, cause in the books Ned said she looks and act like her. So I'm just connecting some dots
@Lily-ng7no
8 жыл бұрын
Binnet Mohammed ohh my gosh i want that to be true so much and jon could still be lynna son cause if arya is a reincarnation then she might not know she's jobs mum
@grainnegrau
8 жыл бұрын
the part of the books that throws me the most about dany's birth are the thoughts, dreams, and actions of ned stark in book one, before his death. he keeps thinking of a promise unfulfilled, and doesn't seem to be referring to jon as it is at a time when he is adamantly fighting for dany's life to be spared by robert. there are no worries about jon. i think this has some significance, whether it is because dany is really lyana's, or because lyana asked ned to protect the other future remaining targaryan other than jon.
@ChristinaTheSphinx
8 жыл бұрын
In Dance Barriston Selmy says that Dany has Ahara's eyes and that sometimes when he looks at her, her sees Ashara....
@AlexD19931
8 жыл бұрын
+Christina The Sphinx Old man has dementia!
@ChristinaTheSphinx
8 жыл бұрын
+AlexD19931 Quite possible.... or its foreshadowing????
@AlexD19931
8 жыл бұрын
+Christina The Sphinx I don't know I'm just shitposting.
@tinaparkin9169
8 жыл бұрын
Cersei say's to Ned in the Godswood "Why was that? For the brother you slew, or the child you stole?". I'm not sure who Jon or Dany are but having seen the baby swap at the wall and the Arya and Jeyne swap it's anyone's call. Davos hears another tale on the Sisters about Ned and Wyla that I really can't get my head around. Eddrick Dayne tells Arya another tale about Jon being hos Milk Brother. Mr Martin might pull the rug from right out under us and I for one hope he does.
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+Tina Parkin hey! again sorry it took so long to respond (busy busy days). As you say, I am equally hopeful GRRM surprises us with something unexpected! If anything happens in this story, I am expecting that much at least! XD
@Ms13Funpolice
8 жыл бұрын
In an Arianne chapter in Feast she remembers or sees in the moment a rickety orphan village on the banks of the river Royne? This could be where Dany was raised until being shipped to meet with Viserys, currently re reading Feast and could have the details wrong but there are lemon trees in Dorne and the only reference missing from the observation by Arianne is a red door...?
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+Ms13Funpolice interesting thoughts! If this village had a particularly big house with a red door, I certainly think that would make me concur that dany was in dorne at some time!
@bigkev619sd9
8 жыл бұрын
Good video man, very informative.
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+bigkev619sd thanks! :)
@yvardietvorst
8 жыл бұрын
I personally think R + L = D is right. and if you recall the fact that Viserys is still angry with Dany for killing their mother at birth and her body dissapearing in the storm, wouldn't it be possible for Ashara or Allyria Dayne to switch Dany (a then couple months old baby) with the dead or dissapeared targaryan baby? The size of a ,say 6 month old baby wouldn't matter for Viserys since he is only 8 years old and probably has never seen a baby. For the Martells, Bravoosi, and merchants it probably wasn't hard for Lady Dayne to convince the of the importance of Rheagars only heir (She is a Targaryan and they got paid, nuff said there.... ).. With this baby swap she could have had a happy childhood in Bravos. because the Daynes and targaryans were to really rich houses i believe some money and a bit of Dornish Targaryan loyalty would make it possible for all of Dany's memories to be true, the timeline issue more or less restored, and maybe the dark eyebros in the series XD Please give me your opinion on this theory, i would like to learn more and discuss my opinions!
@AizonLightning
8 жыл бұрын
Its not.
@mahogany_black8756
8 жыл бұрын
Hi Charlie! Love ya dude! 😊
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+Lady Za of House Teflon Thanks Lady Za! :-)
@Rowe2u
8 жыл бұрын
I think Daeny is exactly who we have been told she is. But I do not buy into R+L=j either.. (Beware of potential book spoilers) 1) It's just to damn easy. This is a GRR Martin book, nothing in a GR^2M book is this easy. 2) If you were Ned, would you hide R&L's child in the most obvious place someone might come looking for him? a) Ned could have no idea who else may have known R&L were preggers and knowing that Robert may have had the child killed if he found out about it Winterfell seems like a rather likely place someone may come looking b) The book specifically says that Jon looks more like Ned than any of his children, multiple times...almost to a fault. c) Did I mention it's just too easy? b) Genes...See item B Is there another character in the book who's parentage is really unkown, who looks like a Targaryen?....yes Why do we just assume that Stark genes would be dominant over Targaryen genes there is no supporting book canon. I have been leaning toward this theory. N+A= J ...wait for it... L+R = Aegon V2.0... To me the theory's logic is a little more sound. It goes like this Ned and Ashara knock boots and pop a little Jon Snow muffin in the oven. Meanwhile over in the Tower of Joy, L&R are enjoying a little rebellion of their own and L winds up knocked up As Robert's Rebellion wraps up Ned takes off for the tower of joy to get Layanna, with the fresh memory of squashed Targaryen babies fresh in his mind. Upon arriving at the ToJ, the scene plays out per canon with the exception...that Aegon (the one with Jon Connington and crew) is the baby. Think about this...a major war just ended and there must be loads of stuff to do to wrap that up, Catalyn is preggers and it's only Ned, baby A and Howland at the ToJ. Not to mention, Starfall is in Dorn where Ned and Howland arent going to be very popular with the locals. Why would Ned risk traveling to Starfall to return a sword he could easily do at a little later date unless his hand was forced. Ned knows little sister's baby boy is in grave danger, he looks like a targaryen...Ned knows that house Dayne will take the baby in at Starfall being loyal Targaryen supporters not to mention Ashara loves Ned. Its also a good opportunity to see his own son. At Starfall, its decided that Ned will take Jon back to Winterfell. If anyone has found out about the R&L's baby Ned has it covered. The baby was dead and this is my bastard, he even looks like me see :) Ashara keeps R&Ls baby and to cover up why the new baby looks so much different from the original baby plants the still born story, fakes her death and vanishes. Meets up with Rhegar's friend Jon Connington and pretends she is nun.... It sets Jon up as a Dayne and brings the sword Dawn into the story at some point as .... nice neat little bow tie on the wrapping paper.... Wut ya think
@CharlieInWesteros
8 жыл бұрын
+Rowe2u evidently some great thoughts - and you've certainly thought quite a bit on this. Tbh I used to be really doubtful of r+l=j because of how 'simple' or 'too easy' it seemed. I have discussed in another video how I suspected one of the daynes ancestors might have been the original 'last hero' during the long night, so it would make sense for one of his descendants to take on that role.. and i also tend to agree with you on septa lemore being ashara dayne - potentially.
@777LoveStory
7 жыл бұрын
But Arya looks just like Lyanna. When Bran sees Ned and Lyanna in the courtyard of Winterfell, he thinks he's looking at Arya the moment he sees Lyanna. So I think the comments on how much Jon looks like Ned mean more to the effect that he is his nephew. Just as Arya is Lyanna's niece. IRL I look just like my aunt on my dad's side than I do my own mother. I act like her too, when she was my age. Genetics can be passed in weird ways.
@Angel-st6uf
8 жыл бұрын
I think R+L=D&J
@rickyhunt4075
8 жыл бұрын
Dany would make a terrible queen has no idea what she is doing and Targaryens suck FACT.
@natkoori123
8 жыл бұрын
+Ricky Hunt Hahaha, your comment and profile picture makes me think of Rickon, if he were a youtube commenter.
@rickyhunt4075
8 жыл бұрын
NAT T love Rickon I hope he rides shaggydog into battle leading an army of pissed off cannibals
@natkoori123
8 жыл бұрын
Hahaha, that would be awesome! I just hope we get to see him again (alive).
@rickyhunt4075
8 жыл бұрын
NAT T he is alive but I think he will die later on he reminds me of Brandon stark
@RiceyReviews
8 жыл бұрын
+Ricky Hunt Rickon will be burnt by Ramsay on a cross :)
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