These people are my heroes. I can't imagine how difficult it was to be an outspoken atheist in the 80s.
@prettybabyface7313
5 жыл бұрын
SAMO Muffucka Absolutely true
@sepwega1420
4 жыл бұрын
Oh yes, they are real heroes!!!
@ericconnor708
3 жыл бұрын
You can't even be an outspoken atheist NOW. Yea, I can't imagine how much harder it would have been back then. Keep going further back and you would have been guaranteed to be murdered for even hinting you are an atheist. In some countries, you currently would be. Atheists are hated more than child-molesters. Child-molesters get their own building in every town, are protected from any responsibility of their actions, and don't have to pay taxes. Some child-molesters tend to gain great power in politics. I don't know of any kind of person more feared of than an atheist (the most intelligent beings in history).
@35flexo98
3 жыл бұрын
Firstly, allow me to congratulate you on getting away with that username, and secondly, I completely agree with your statement.
@MrMarco855
Жыл бұрын
@@ericconnor708 Another confused atheist. Why would you want to be outspoken about your beliefs to begin with? Keep your beliefs to yourself and you have nothing to worry about. You're lying about Atheists being murdered simply because. That's absurd. Even today you can't be an outspoken atheist? Says who? I don't recall a single atheist being targeted for that reason. The internet is rampant with atheists, numerous atheists do nothing but travel and debate in a public forum, I've never heard of any issues. The issue I see is that atheists that host in this forum are rude and vile. The comment section is loaded with slander and hatred. Outrageous claims are made regularly, like the claim that you made.
@djsichuan622
10 жыл бұрын
"lets welcome our guests, maybe some of you dont wanna welcome them..." I bet thats never been said to any other guest on any talkshow; what an ugly thing to say
@cseguin
10 жыл бұрын
I think a similar thing was said before Jackie Robinson took to the field as the first black professional baseball player . . . .
@bishopconnor
6 жыл бұрын
Yep. That completely stopped me in my tracks. That showed her bias against them before her guests had said a thing.
@2011littleguy
4 жыл бұрын
Oprah cleverly manipulates the audience to be on her side. She knows that saying the hateful thing she said appeals to her anti-atheist audience. (You can tell they're stupid by the inane questions they asked of the atheist "guests"). Oprah, always the opportunist, uses her Introduction to turn the audience against her guests, because she hates atheists. She's shown that every time someone says they're agnostic or atheist. I have no respect for Oprah. She excels at only one thing: making money. But she is no intellectual or deep thinker and constantly shows her shallowness as a person. She never speaks about history, literature (except the silly books she pushes), the arts, science, architecture, etc. I have little respect for someone who doesn't spend time learning things that great thinkers have contributed to culture over centuries of civilization. She only knows which celebrity is doing what to who and how to get people to buy what she endorses. Oprah is a product of our poor schools and a product of religious indoctrination. Anyone who thinks, sooner or later, will start to question the religion they grew up with. But she is not a thinking person - in any meaningful sense. She is incredibly shallow. But she is perfect for TV because Americans are generally not bright. America scores 40th in science scores among nations. 40th! Yet I never heard her encourage children to study STEM (science, technology, engineering and math). She should do that on EVERY SHOW as a public service to 'give back' to the country that made her rich. She's too busy selling her wares to encourage the youth of America to study subjects that will make them competitive in this global village of a world.
@Hot18Shot
4 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna' get a bit overtly political but I think there's something a bit interesting to discuss here; can you imagine how such a caustic reception would be taken nowadays if, say, Oprah invited a trans support group and mocked them openly in the same manner in the current age? Oprah would be obliterated and boycotted by not just the media but by celebrities alike. What gets me is that the LGBT community claims to have *always* gotten the short end of the stick when it comes to societal acceptance but you just don't see it nowadays. Not only that, you have fun facts stating in some cultures it was seen as sacred to be LGBT in the distant past- so which is it? Atheists had been mistreated just the same, but I find it rather interesting how quickly the general hatred for them turned- I see more skeptics around in 2019 than I did ten years ago and hell, I've lived in the U.S. south. But despite that you never saw atheist communities bully the media and such into this social change- it was a natural progression. And yeah- it is bullying. Cancel culture, social justice, MeToo- it's all the same face that use bullying tactics to get the sort of social change that a minority want. I find it odd that the non-religious community didn't resort to such petty tactics, but yet ask anyone in the streets if they'll accept an atheist or a LGBT person and I'll bet more times than not that they would- hell, thry'd probably even be one themselves! I dunno, I just find it peculiar is all. Sorry for the rambling.
@dwightfitch3120
7 ай бұрын
I remember thinking how churlish Ophra was being
@jaclynrichmond1049
8 жыл бұрын
"Don't tell me we come from apes, then don't tell me I came from a man's rib" lol funniest line ever.
@2011littleguy
4 жыл бұрын
In that woman's case, it's true.
@swaggyswag4999
4 жыл бұрын
Oprah should be ashamed of herself supposed to be wise oh I had an opinion that she where but when it came to religion she was just as ignorant as the rest of them The Atheist was in the lions den on that show.
@jeanramirez6441
2 жыл бұрын
Great
@ragazziita
10 жыл бұрын
So, people need the 10 Commandments in order to behave? What a sad world we live in.
@jjmac3561
9 жыл бұрын
ragazziita With them all in such a nonsensical order too LMAO
@incognito5109
6 жыл бұрын
I can't believe I used to be that retarded
@mrcurly1147
6 жыл бұрын
The dupers that run the scam have had thousands of years to perfect their depraved craft. You were a victim. But now you are just going to have to get used to enjoying life and not having fear, guilt and self loathing as your constant companion.
@jackstocker1917
5 жыл бұрын
@@jjmac3561 lol
@russellbrooks23able
5 жыл бұрын
It's a sad world they live in. I have no need in my world of a mystical, never present, imaginary God to live a moral life and treat others well.
@whitneyerin222
10 жыл бұрын
This was shameful on Oprah's part. She allowed the audience to interrupt the guests repeatedly, was clearly showing a bias towards religion, and her comments to her invited guests were a bit rude. This was not a discussion; this was an attack.
@RuiChui
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly! I was not able to watch this in one go, as it was getting on my nerves! It looked more like an audience for Jerry Springer! LOLOL
@dwightfitch3120
7 ай бұрын
Damned right it was an attack! My liking for Ophra almost evaporated. Especially after she promoted quacks like drs oz, Phil and chopra and Charlestons like James redfield
@PhillipBoydIII-hr4hj
11 жыл бұрын
As a person of color, I can't understand why black people are oblivious to the fact that the same holy book they follow is the same book used to endorse slavery.
@zarasha8220
9 жыл бұрын
I've very frequently been quite puzzled by this seemingly obvious contradiction. I'm thinking "you seriously believe in a god that not only approves of slavery, but at times encourages it, and gives purchasing guidelines, not to mention explaining the extent to which you can beat them?!"
@adavidbujanda
5 жыл бұрын
This is equally puzzling to me
@mrluke13
5 жыл бұрын
bible doesnt endorse slavery ...only idiots say that crap
@omnipitous4648
5 жыл бұрын
@@mrluke13 You're the idiot. 1 Corinthians 7:21 21 Were you a slave when you were called? Don’t let it trouble you-although if you can gain your freedom, do so. 1 Peter 2:16 16 Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves. 1 Peter 2:18 18 Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. 1 Timothy 1:10 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers-and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 1 Timothy 6:1 1 All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered. Colossians 3:22 22 Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord. Colossians 4:1 1 Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a Master in heaven. Deuteronomy 23:15 15 If a slave has taken refuge with you, do not hand them over to their master. Deuteronomy 24:7 7 If someone is caught kidnapping a fellow Israelite and treating or selling them as a slave, the kidnapper must die. You must purge the evil from among you. Ephesians 6:5 5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Ephesians 6:9 9 And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him. Exodus 21:2 2 “If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything. Exodus 21:7 7 “If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. Exodus 21:32 32 If the bull gores a male or female slave, the owner must pay thirty shekels of silver to the master of the slave, and the bull is to be stoned to death. Galatians 3:28 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 5:1 1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery. Exodus 21:16 16 “Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession. Leviticus 25:39 39 “ ‘If any of your fellow Israelites become poor and sell themselves to you, do not make them work as slaves. Luke 4:18 18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me,because he has anointed meto proclaim good news to the poor.He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisonersand recovery of sight for the blind,to set the oppressed free, Philemon 1:16 16 no longer as a slave, but better than a slave, as a dear brother. He is very dear to me but even dearer to you, both as a fellow man and as a brother in the Lord. Proverbs 22:16 16 One who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and one who gives gifts to the rich-both come to poverty. Titus 2:9-10 9 Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them, 10 and not to steal from them, but to show that they can be fully trusted, so that in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive. Luke 12:47-48 47 “The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. 48 But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked. Exodus 21:20-21 20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property. Exodus 21:26-27 26 “An owner who hits a male or female slave in the eye and destroys it must let the slave go free to compensate for the eye. 27 And an owner who knocks out the tooth of a male or female slave must let the slave go free to compensate for the tooth. Deuteronomy 23:15-16 15 If a slave has taken refuge with you, do not hand them over to their master. 16 Let them live among you wherever they like and in whatever town they choose. Do not oppress them. 1 Timothy 6:1-2 1 All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered. 2 Those who have believing masters should not show them disrespect just because they are fellow believers. Instead, they should serve them even better because their masters are dear to them as fellow believers and are devoted to the welfare of their slaves. These are the things you are to teach and insist on. Leviticus 25:44-46 44 “ ‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly. Exodus 21:7-11 7 “If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. 8 If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. 9 If he selects her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter. 10 If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights. 11 If he does not provide her with these three things, she is to go free, without any payment of money.
@omnipitous4648
5 жыл бұрын
@Timothy Mostad I try to make my point using as little evidence as possible.
@b-ron385
10 жыл бұрын
Nothing fails like prayer.
@CosmicApe2
11 жыл бұрын
It astounds me that the atheists are sitting there calm and polite, and are being grilled by loud and ignorant people on how moral they are.
@incognito5109
6 жыл бұрын
True. It sounds like every time an atheist is trying to talk about their position and the reason., these loud and ignorant people feel the need to get insulting and loud
@mypetcrow9873
6 жыл бұрын
CosmicApe2 That’s because religion is for scared little children and moral idiots.
@dwightfitch3120
7 ай бұрын
@@incognito5109I remember watching this on TV (as a repeat) and being struck by how cool, calm and collected the 3 atheists were and how loud and angry the others (including Ophra-my respect for her has really dimmed over the years) were
@canismagus
10 жыл бұрын
This is the Show where Dan met his future wife, Annie Laurie. Love at first sight, he said. Lovely.
@daithiocinnsealach1982
6 жыл бұрын
Yep, you can see it at 8:22!
@trudyb4841
4 жыл бұрын
@@daithiocinnsealach1982 ohh wow I hadn't figured out this was the same Anne who became his wife
@ShipMonster
10 жыл бұрын
"I have not read the bible cover to cover, but the word of god is TRUE!" HAHAHAHAH woooooo lol haha
@jackstocker1917
5 жыл бұрын
My people are stupid
@cyn3rgy759
4 жыл бұрын
I have read the bible cover to cover multiple times. Doing so objectively was what co evinced me that it was obviously false.
@Ryattt81
10 жыл бұрын
You can tell these people aren't used to their ideas being challenged. Just a bunch of emotionally driven objections, with no basis in reality.
@dothedeed
10 жыл бұрын
Its laughable hearing the religious people trying to defend their faith. Most haven't even read their own holy book but go around telling you about the universe. 37:07 this woman actually agreed that the bible is right and women are whores who turn people from religion. Then she got a round of applause.
@b-ron385
10 жыл бұрын
I think Oprah did a solid job. The guests are retarded though.
@Ryattt81
10 жыл бұрын
Ryan Yates I think Oprah was just as credulous as the rest of them, although she was respectfulish, she was obviously perturbed about it. I got the impression that she wanted to "give them a piece of her mind".
@youtoo2233
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah the atheists are calm, they know the audience is brainwashed
@AJ-fs5cq
9 жыл бұрын
Is it just me or does Oprah seem irritated and offended throughout her responses to the atheists?
@oprahwindfury3015
8 жыл бұрын
+angel dario I was not!
@TheKurtBoyd
7 жыл бұрын
angel dario She has always been a little too holier-than-thou for my liking.
@AzimuthTao
10 жыл бұрын
"we were invited"...BLAM!!
@danielmcgrath195
10 жыл бұрын
I'm an atheist and they are so brave to do this, well done! :)
@JamesSmith-ie8js
6 жыл бұрын
Daniel Mcgrath If you are an atheist you can't account for the uniformity in nature and there is no answer to Humes scepticism. And therefore in theory you have no grounding principle to assert anything
@JamesSmith-ie8js
6 жыл бұрын
@Mark Solezo Hi Mark You making a knowledge claim about myself but at the same time agreed you cannot know anything for certain. The statement you made was pretty much "I can't justify my claims but neither can you" doesn't make sense. Cause if you can't know anything (epistemologically) speaking you can't make a statement about what I can know.
@JamesSmith-ie8js
6 жыл бұрын
@Mark Solezo hey mate :) Yeah that's a good point. I am not saying I know everything for certain. But I am saying that God knows everything for certain. And has revealed some truths to us so that we can know those for certain. I am saying my epistemology is revelational. And the issue is when you deny that you are left in a world of an infinite regress e.g. how do I know A. Well because of B. The only way to provide a valid justification for how you know things and to escape that vicious circle is to ground your belief in God as the nessacary starting point for how you can know anything at all :)
@JamesSmith-ie8js
6 жыл бұрын
@Mark Solezo Hi :) Knowledge is a justified true belief. My justification for knowing certain things, like God exists, is, God revealed this to me. For you to deny this you would have to say that it is logically impossible for God to exist and for Him to reveal certain things to us. This is my nessacary presuppatation (NP). My starting point, foundation. You can deposit any other presuppatition if you wish; like a million entities, Allah, or a banana. But that particular presup won't be valid and we can get into that if you like. Let's just be clear, my ultimate authority (AU) is God. And to note: all ultimate authorities are circular. You also have a AU , which isn't God, your own autonomous thinking. God says everyone knows He exists because He has made it evident to us. But we surpess that truth because we love our sin more than Him. We can talk about contradictions at some point, but let's not got to stretched in the convo :) Hope your having a good day:)
@JamesSmith-ie8js
6 жыл бұрын
Hi Mark, Your exactly right, and I know this may be frustrating. But, my ultimate authority is Gods Word. Which is circular I know, begging the question. But when we are talking about worldviews the fact I am trying to highlight is that we all have an ultimate authority, which in the end will be circular. And you have an ultimate authority for how you know things, which I am let to hear. So when you or I make a knowledge claim we are standing on a foundation. In these sorts of conversations we assert a certain foundation and then we try and show how that foundation alone is able to make sense of reality. Its not just a blind assertion I am making, but course its an assertion, but thats what happens in a debate. You assert something, I assert something else. Then we begin to discuss what foundations are based on those assertions, and move forward in doing that. Also, another important point to make when discussing worldviews is that the evidence presented is not neutral. The evidence is interpreted by our presuppositions. So in light of that, and in answer to your first question about contradictions. Before we can discuss the evidence around those issues we have to look at the presuppositions you bring to the table. If we both have different presupps then whats the point in discussing the evidence because we will both come to different conclusions, the only sensible option is to first talk about our presuppositions. When they say something like “look at all these contradictions you are being illogical”. I am going to reply, well do you believe in logic? Cause you have to say that is not logical and you have to justify logic first according to your worldview before you can accuse me of anything that is not logical. Romans 11:36 says from Him through Him and too Him are all things. Jesus Christ owns logic, He owns science, He owns morality. Before we can discuss issues you have with Gods Word and my beliefs, first you have to justify your beliefs even about argumentation itself. Contradictions are violations of logic, so the question to you is. What is your justification for logic in your worldview?
@Dubravko49
8 жыл бұрын
Wow! Such lack of "christian love" coming out of Oprah!
@jaxxonad619
4 жыл бұрын
and from the crowd too...
@afvro75
9 жыл бұрын
Annie (and Annie's mom) and Dan did a great job specially in those days when being an Atheist was more taboo. Very proud of you guys and you have come very far since. Best to you guys!
@youtoo2233
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah back then atheist was synonymous with being called a satanist
@2011littleguy
4 жыл бұрын
@@youtoo2233 Many people still think like that - listen to debates nowadays.
@youtoo2233
4 жыл бұрын
@@2011littleguy yeah most people are ignorant of many things because of a lack of knowledge. Religion and politics are probably the top two annoying one's for me. People grow up believing all kinds of things that are not true. I'm an ex Mormon so I naturally thought like Mormons do until I eventually woke up to reality of why do I believe that way. I didn't believe it by learning mormonism on my own, i just took it for granted it's the only true religion because all other Mormons said it was. You hear this over and over and soon you accept it as fact. Same thing applies to ALL religions
@_nobodyxi
Жыл бұрын
The struggle is the same for people like me Im Nigerian and even hinting that you're godless could ruin your life
@MrMoonman3000
10 жыл бұрын
You can see such a drastic difference in attitude, emotion, and respect between the panelists and audience. The atheists were very respectful, informed, and eloquent. The guests perfectly demonstrated the knee-jerk, emotionally charged overreaction that the religious have when they are challenged. As a child of the 70's and 80's, I am shocked to see that a program like this was broadcast during that time. And I am so impressed with the panelists. Annie Laurie Gaylor was wonderful.
@atheistmecca971
10 жыл бұрын
Dan fighting the battle back in the 80s! What a warrior against the plague of religion!
@melissasahagunheathen2594
8 жыл бұрын
This is painful to watch, the believers are so closed minded!
@youtoo2233
5 жыл бұрын
They have been conditioned to believe a certain way. It happened to me, I was a mormon 40 years
@drstrangelove09
10 жыл бұрын
I find Oprah frustrating. Believes in all manner of silliness. She could have been a bit more supportive to her guests. The audience simply trots out the usual Christian "responses" and then Oprah seconds them.
@BraidedLily
10 жыл бұрын
The funniest moment I recall from watching Oprah's show in the 80s was the day she declared that she was, indeed, a journalist.
@godalmighty7106
10 жыл бұрын
Your run-of-the-mill Xtian has never read their oh-so-holy book. They get the Cliff notes and talking points verbally from their preachers and that's it. Trying to read 17th century English is beyond most of them, so they remain ignorant of the lies, contradictions and immoralities therein. I HAVE SPOKEN ;-)
@wresler103
10 жыл бұрын
Funny how she suggested they were trying to impose their belief on people for talking about what they believe. By that reasoning, Oprah was trying to impose their belief on people by giving them an audience. It's funny how it's ok for her to put these people out there, but the idea of these people putting themselves out there is somehow bad. Special pleading abounds.
@BraidedLily
10 жыл бұрын
wresler103 Oprah has used her show to ":impose" her beliefs onto others and is always quick to "correct" people when they express a belief she does not hold herself. Oprah also treated Dan Barker as if he was an atheist all along during his ministerial years; she implies he was dishonest in his career like a wolf in sheep's clothing so to speak. Funny how she doesn't recognize her own dishonesty.
@williamcunningham5922
10 жыл бұрын
I have disliked Oprah ever since I saw this video the first time.
@videostartsat4464
7 жыл бұрын
"Isn't it sad that you believe we just live and die." What in the world does that have to do with whether or not it's true?
@beggo321
10 жыл бұрын
It's like everyone in the audience, including Oprah, has their hands over their ears whenever the guests are speaking any logic.
@solar_baby1392
8 жыл бұрын
I don't think I've ever been so disappointed in Oprah. This was a disgusting one sided circus and she was the ring leader.
@Defmusicman1
2 жыл бұрын
That was my take on it too.
@kurtvonnegut1104
10 жыл бұрын
Annie Laurie Gaylor was fantastic. . . . much respect and admiration!
@russelld2925
8 жыл бұрын
Wow. It's amazing the stranglehold Christianity has had on our nation. Watching this has really made me appreciate the progress we have made in the last 30 years. The hold of religion is still strong but not like this craziness...wow!!! the oohs and ahs of disbelief from the crowd at rational statements from Barker and company say quite a lot.
@21mozzie
3 жыл бұрын
I saw some statistics on atheism a while back. The US is just 20 years behind the rest of the developed world.
@RS54321
Жыл бұрын
Progress?! Our society is in moral decay due to society turning from God and focusing on self and continual narcissism...do as thou wilt has been wreaking havoc.
@russelld2925
Жыл бұрын
@@RS54321 Morality does not come from God. It’s the other way around. People always create gods to be a reflection and a justification for their existing moral systems.
@RS54321
Жыл бұрын
@@russelld2925 Really? I think a few communist regimes would reflect otherwise.
@dwightfitch3120
7 ай бұрын
@@RS54321Guy, neither u, I or anyone else knows that atheism is causing moral decay
@AstronomyGuru84
5 жыл бұрын
"How did ya get here?"-----------Short answer: My parents had sex. Long Answer: Evolution by natural selection over millions of years.
@LEVELCROSSINGDISASTERS
9 жыл бұрын
have so much respect for dan barker and Annie laurie gaylor
@baxtar1963
10 жыл бұрын
The panel of guests are way ahead of their time. Operas Chicago audience wow. I thought the south was ignorant until I saw this crowd.
@youtoo2233
5 жыл бұрын
Why would the south be ignorant? ?
@BJN1253
3 жыл бұрын
A lot of people in that audience are from the south. A lot of people left the South and moved to Chicago from the 1940's until the early 1970's.
@QueenFiend
8 жыл бұрын
how do we have morals? well i have this thing... its called a nervous system. it does some cool stuff.
@Volound
8 жыл бұрын
shellfish have a nervous system. nervous system has nothing whatsoever to do with morality.
@CrimsonVoid
8 жыл бұрын
I don't think that's true. If we didn't have our nervous system we wouldn't be able to do anything, moral or immoral.
@Volound
8 жыл бұрын
CrimsonVoid necessary vs sufficient conditions.
@CrimsonVoid
8 жыл бұрын
+Volound Well obviously at least a rudimentary brain is required to develop a moral system. Otherwise things like worms would have moral systems instead of just animals with larger brains, like dogs and monkeys.
@Volound
8 жыл бұрын
CrimsonVoid once again, necessary vs sufficient. it is also necessary for the universe to exist. nobody thinks to point out that a universe is required to develop morals.
@tomslick1650
8 жыл бұрын
i had no idea that Annie Gaylor married Dan Barker.. the male atheist on this show. they make a great couple.
@kjellhansen1387
5 жыл бұрын
ANNIE GAYLOR CAN NOT COMPARES WITH TARZAN'S JANE!
@dwightfitch3120
7 ай бұрын
I know right. Annie and Dan look very good together. I admire them both
@MichelletheHuman
10 жыл бұрын
Atheists: Make sound, reasonable arguments. Christian's response: "GOD DUN DID IT."
@JesusIstheNameTakenInVain
5 жыл бұрын
Never heard any yet? Even Dan looked flumoxed on the healing
@2011littleguy
4 жыл бұрын
The lord works in Miss Terrious Waves.
@ShawnMenchaca
8 жыл бұрын
Saw these two on Atheist experience a few days ago! (5/22/16) They are going to court with theists and kicking ass!
@cghkjhjkhjhvfghc
8 жыл бұрын
Oh yea...
@bonnie43uk
10 жыл бұрын
Oprah just doesn't get this whole atheism thing. I guess it's not really her fault, faith has played such a massive part in her life. You can hear audible gasps in the audience at the atheist.. even though she is speaking total sense. Although this was filmed in 1984, even today she is still hostile towards the thought of not believing in a God.
@zubileegluckgluck
4 жыл бұрын
Without a god, Oprah can't claim to be a special person, born to go on tv and save people with her unique and special powers. Her covert narcissism is exposed when god is pulled out from under her.
@davidkeenan5642
9 жыл бұрын
I'm so happy Dan & Annie got together. He's still a minister. A minister for reason. And she's still a feminist. I'm a white male, & I've been a feminist all my life, that's because I've always loved & respected women.
@Bolivia2010100
9 жыл бұрын
Dawg same I argue for women's rights all the time I'm a dude and everyone is like ight bitch lol they are joking but I get to them somtimes
@joeskys2362
9 жыл бұрын
was Dan previously married to a christian women
@SuperShockjock
9 жыл бұрын
joe skys yeap and she has remarried another preacher. His 4 kids have little religion is their lives
@luanrafael6846
10 жыл бұрын
"Do you think I´m a witch?" Love that!
@JPeraltavideos
8 жыл бұрын
Annie is beautiful, Dan is a lucky guy
@RR-mp7hw
5 жыл бұрын
Her intelligence, confidence, and independence are all part of it. They are both fortunate to have each other.
@dwightfitch3120
7 ай бұрын
@@RR-mp7hwShe strikes be as being gentle and wise
@drkmwinters
10 жыл бұрын
'That;s why we let you say them.' We 'let' you? Whoa Oprah! When did our free speech rights become permissions you grant?!
@w8m4n
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah WTF!? As a black woman with a TV show she can say that and mean it?
@lordavatar6256
7 жыл бұрын
their organization helped me, fed me, clothed me, and gave me money when my church and family kicked me out for being gay. indebted to Anne in particular for the rest of my life.
@iainrae6159
4 жыл бұрын
Amazing that some adults in the US still believe in a supernatural celestial dictator God who has vanity/ anger management issues. Great to hear Dan and Annie who later married.
@jimmaughan1898
10 жыл бұрын
Oprah- Not getting it for 30 years
@geistragnar8932
10 жыл бұрын
I really could never stand Oprah
@dadnonlyd3
6 жыл бұрын
Hector Defendi I'm even more grieved for black folks... I'm black and I say they are the most deluded group of people in religion... they are truly a long ways away from being a people of self determination.... to answer your question I think naturally they are a spiritual and hopeful people and the reality of nothingness after life scares most blacks
@Pedromose
11 жыл бұрын
Holy Shit...Annie Laurie Gaylor...I can see why Dan Barker fell in love with her. Damn.
@quantumleap8824
10 жыл бұрын
This is an old show, but the religious speak the same nonsense they do today. Funny how they get really upset when their faith is challenged and they feel intimidated! Typical. I think Laurie, her mom, Dan and the lady from England were excellent!
@aprilk141
6 жыл бұрын
quantumleap8824 agreed, pretty much all of the theist and atheist arguments of today are present in this one episode from the 80s.
@SteveFrenchWoodNStuff
8 жыл бұрын
I just watched Dan Barker and Annie Laurie Gaylor on The Atheist Experience. Both of them are amazing and incredibly honest people. The great work they are doing is something we should all be thankful for.
@buzzardbeatniks
10 жыл бұрын
Jeez, could Oprah just try to hide her contempt, just a little bit, maybe.
@silverfang65
4 жыл бұрын
lol ikr
@johnbarry5036
3 жыл бұрын
Oprah= "You are on TV, you are promoting atheism are you not?" Panelists- "Um, you invited us on TV to be on your show." Oprah= "Oh yeah."
@ryanlangford9999
9 жыл бұрын
36:00 Oprah says "I would totally kill you if I didn't believe" (paraphrasing). She seems nice.
@russelld2925
8 жыл бұрын
A whole lot of "Its true for me." going on in this audience. It's amazing how many people are unable to even grasp the concept of an objective truth.
@russelld2925
2 жыл бұрын
@mike stambaugh That doesn’t even mean anything. Truth is ‘that which conforms to reality.” Defining truth as Jesus is a tautology.
@PagesofXeera
8 жыл бұрын
That was so difficult to watch. I find it frustrating how many times Annie wasn't allowed to respond to some of the questions. An audience member would ask a question and she would try to respond and then Oprah would jump in with another question before she could answer. Rude!
@whatsupinspace854
4 жыл бұрын
17:18 _"I plan on reading the whole bible if Jesus doesn't return soon"_ It's been 35 years since this aired. Wonder if she's read it yet.
@engeldeeter
10 жыл бұрын
RE: Pascal's Wager: If god's omniscient wouldn't he know I'm trying to hustle him. Heaven at any cost? Doesn't that sound like greed? Hmmm....
@Stalicone
7 жыл бұрын
Any Black person who believes in the Bible cannot complain about the injustice of slavery.
@RS54321
Жыл бұрын
You might want to read a certain book called Exodus.
@dwightfitch3120
7 ай бұрын
@@RS54321I don’t think even many Jewish scholars now think that the whole nation of Israel was actually enslaved in Egypt or that god gave Palestine to the Israelites. They were probably another Canaanite ppl using the books to justify warring against their neighbors
@sparhopper
9 жыл бұрын
The crowd is just like Plato's cave dwellers that haven't yet been dragged up into the sunlight, revolting at the very thought (most for the first time), that what they have been made to believe their entire lives, could possibly be anything other than fact.
@TheDamo189
10 жыл бұрын
Annie Laurie Gaylor is awesome! I can't believe she was so composed, articulate, and confident with her position in a time when it must have been practically unheard of to be an atheist... that was 1984 for gods sake!! (pardon my choice of words for emphasis lol). Her remarkable mother must have been such an inspiration to her. And that was quite the lucky night for Dan to have found such a beautiful and strong wife that night. :-)
@raysgr
4 жыл бұрын
I think I'm in love with Annie Gaylor. It twists my mind that the most oppressed people by religion are their greatest adherent. Black people and women. Black people who were taught their religion from the cut of a bull whip and women who hated and misogynised throughout the Bible.
@RS54321
Жыл бұрын
There were more women (including Black women) in the audience b/c it's the Oprah show and it drew these demographics...your ignorance is overt. If you think the God of the Bible oppressed women, including those not white, you are a fool and have no understanding of the texts or God's character.
@CRAGIFICATION
10 жыл бұрын
If only Hitchens was there...
@anthonyg7181
6 жыл бұрын
CRAGIFICATION hell yeah lol. They couldn't take it tho haha. Would of tore the place up, not them.. Hitchens lmao
@omnipitous4648
5 жыл бұрын
If Hitchens was there some heads in the audience would be exploding.
@hyper-novaa
4 жыл бұрын
And Madalyn
@PeedgeMcDuck
10 жыл бұрын
Man, dumb people infuriate me.
@ponybottle
9 жыл бұрын
It's always a constant surprise to me how little religious people comprehend beyond their own narrow views and how threatened and angry they become when challenged to do the one thing at which they should be expert - justify their religion.
@yvesandrethevenot3489
4 жыл бұрын
Dan is an adorable man. Love him and his wife Annie Laurie Gaylor
@randomguywithnoname2131
6 жыл бұрын
The presence of Christopher Hitchens with his word smithing superiority would have been quite fitting here.
@secularhumanist9695
4 жыл бұрын
when I finally realised that religion is bunk it was like taking a great weight off my shoulders.
@rambo8218
4 жыл бұрын
Notice how the atheists are calm,logical, rational, and kind and the god loving Christians are all so angry they are ready to attack these kind free thinking people...that's enough right there for me to stay free from religion...
@kenh6571
9 жыл бұрын
I became an atheist in 1982 and people were so condescending. The attitude of the audience is consistent with that time. Such weak arguments from the theists... As a side note: Nice job being impartial Oprah.... Yes, that was sarcasm...
@hanyuguo
10 жыл бұрын
The audience members in this show are so pathetically ignorant.
@smotpoker81
10 жыл бұрын
I have 2 thoughts. First off, I wonder if anyone else notices that all of the pro-religious people in the audience speak very unintelligibly, use poor grammar and sound very uneducated overall, while the guests all seem to speak with a calm dignity and a confident and knowledgeable air about them. Surely that doesn't translate to truth, but it's quite telling. Secondly, I am so offended when these people complain and prostrate about their right to believe whatever they want, and that organizations such as the Freedom From Religion Foundation shouldn't push their beliefs on anyone, while at the same time they carry around bibles (which they openly admit they've never read) evangelizing and proselytizing, telling people they'll spend eternity in damnation for not believing. I think Oprah (ugh) at one point even asked them what right they had to come on TV trying to unconvert people; what about all those television evangelist frauds who lie and steal and bilk people out of their hard-earned money?
@suzeeveronica
10 жыл бұрын
This is such an infuriating thing to watch. HOW DID THE MOUNTAINS GET THERE? I wish we had a geologist there to establish how the heat in the center of the earth had an influence on that.
@pdoylemi
10 жыл бұрын
"Questioning is part of religion" - BULLSHIT. Only certain questions are allowed. And why should cultural context matter to a perfect, eternal god? A god would give us the right instruction from day one.
@tirsden
9 жыл бұрын
Yeah it was pretty jaw-dropping to hear him say that. Which church did he go to? There is a reason for the story of doubting Thomas in the bible, its meaning is that true questions don't question, just shut up and suck it all up like good girls and boys.
@vladbcom
8 жыл бұрын
Annie Laurie Gaylor was and is such a sweet heart. :D
@johnl2124
8 жыл бұрын
"So you believe that you have total control over your life, you're responsible for what happens to you and there's nothing else..." FUCK YEAH I DO!!! Having control over your life (no one can really have total control, yet) and being responsible is the hallmark of a mature and successful person. Pretty much the central theme of every self-help kinda book that were written by truly successful people. Any respect I've had for Oprah in the past is completely gone.
@anndeefam
5 жыл бұрын
8:23 the very moment that Annie Laurie Gaylor fell in love with Dan Barker. Here it is 35 years later and they're still in love doing amazing work protecting this country from an ever encroaching Theocracy.
@BackRowRacing98
10 жыл бұрын
People are getting morals and religion completely confused. If people want to teach morals, teach morals. You don't need to lie about a person above to straighten people out.
@sweetshaman
11 жыл бұрын
I would say to young people: "Think for yourself. Religion is only an option. Don't be afraid to follow the evidence wherever it leads - and never take something on authority if you have doubts about it." Telling kids to have faith is like asking them to shut off their brains! I see no evidence for any gods, the whole nonsense should end.
@bluwater1422
4 жыл бұрын
True that
@bucketmouthinc82
5 жыл бұрын
Until there is evidence that a supernatural being/s exists I guess I’m an Atheist as well.
@Honestman400
10 жыл бұрын
The whole morality thing of people becoming animals without the control of a god is horrific and a great judgement on the _"Christians"_ who believe that. Albert Einstein put it very well: _“A man's ethical behaviour should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.”_
@TheRealMake-Make
10 жыл бұрын
Albert Einstein was a Christian who believed in God. Just kidding! I've heard that argument too many times simply on the "God doesn't play dice" quote that Christians love so much. I've never heard this quote before. Thanks for posting! I'll add it to my bag-o-reality.
@ohmygollywow
10 жыл бұрын
Make-Make He was actually a pantheist.
@Honestman400
10 жыл бұрын
Make-Make Albert Einstein was in no way a Christian. You would even be pushed to call him a deist . *_"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this, but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."_* (24 March 1954 in a letter to J. Dispentiere, an Italian immigrant) also (Albert Einstein, 1954, The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press) *_“I am a Deeply, religious Non-believer. This is a somewhat new kind of religion. The idea of a personal god is quite alien to me and seems even naïve.”_* - (17 December 1952. In a letter to Beatrice Frohlich) *_“The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable but still primitive legends, which are nevertheless pretty childish.”_* I think those quotes are fairly specific. He did not appear to even think of himself as a Jew, at least not in the religious sense. *_“For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions... And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people.”_* It's about time this false claim from Religious people that Einstein was a believer should be squashed forever, but I doubt it will.
@TheRealMake-Make
10 жыл бұрын
ohmygollywow I don't know what a pantheist is. Therefore, I will do the intellectually responsible thing and look it up.
@Honestman400
10 жыл бұрын
Make-Make That is good to see. Never accept anything you are told without checking it. The motto of The Royal Society, the oldest continuously active scientific body in the world, is: *Nullius in Verba* Which roughly translates as: "Take no-one's word for it." I think that is a good idea to work from.
@kkme7
10 жыл бұрын
It's fun to see that the believers' arguments haven't changed in 30 years. Maybe it should be taught in high school philosophy why pascal's wager fails and what we can base our morals on.
@HowToVideosAndTips
10 жыл бұрын
When Dan lost his faith he'd never even met an Atheist. What de-converted him was the fact that when he became sought after Pastor he started to encounter Christian pastors of other denominations and found they all had often radically different views.
@BlueOriginAire
5 жыл бұрын
zzapper zzapper , Different views on everything EXCEPT on how to extract money from the congregants. They all agreed that 10% plus extra offerings was the perfect setup to keep them coughing it up for years.
@silentotto5099
10 жыл бұрын
One thing that strikes me about this video is how much more effective atheists today are at addressing the sorts of objections that the theists were offering. Conversely, the objections the theists raised have changed little over the years. I suppose that's attributable to the internet and the improved ability of atheists to collaborate, practice and hone their arguments. Back then, each atheist was something of an island unto themselves with little opportunity to test their debate skills. Not so today. Today's Dan Barker would have put in a much stronger performance than the Dan Barker of yesteryear was able to muster. Scientific advancement aside, I realize that there's really nothing in this debate that wasn't raised by great thinkers in centuries past, but the ability of the current crop of prominent atheists to, how shall I put it... destroy theists, is much improved.
@zarasha8220
9 жыл бұрын
I think the scientific discoveries have really propelled atheist's arguments light years ahead of where they were 30 years ago. The gaps are getting progressively smaller and smaller, and the god of the gaps is diminishing at an exponential rate. The downside to that is the fundamentalists are behaving like injured, cornered animals, becoming much more fanatical and trying even harder to exert their power on our political leaders.
@tirsden
9 жыл бұрын
Part of it too is that you really can't stray very far from the basic set of arguments as a religious person, because you get dangerously close to tempting your own mind to start questioning that religion. The attacks are the same because they have to be.
@tafkaga
8 жыл бұрын
I love the whole "These people shouldn't be pushing their beliefs on us" all the while throwing stones and arguing that "those atheists" are silly and wrong for not being Christians.
@Xavier_Coogat_the_Mambo_King
6 жыл бұрын
"Let me quote the bible at these former christians. That'll convince them" lmao cultists are hopeless
@ChipArgyle
8 жыл бұрын
If only Oprah could understand how ridiculous her arguments are. That panel intellectually ran circles around her, and the audience. Considering the hostility in the room, they're lucky they got to leave without being burned at the stake.
@hedgehog1965uk
8 жыл бұрын
+ChipArgyle Agreed. When Oprah said (at 12:50) "For some people if there were not the ten commandments, they wouldn't know how to behave" I nearly fell out of my chair. Is she SERIOUS?
@Fthepatriarchy
6 жыл бұрын
Am i the only one who is scared of people who claimed on TV that they need a "god" not to rape woman?
@TheFaeriereign
8 жыл бұрын
Oh this video made me mad >< I can't give enough kudos to them for getting up there and talking about their atheism when it was such an unpopular (lack of) belief and in such an obviously hostile environment too!
@Katalyzt
10 жыл бұрын
The person with the “lost voice” that Dan Barker was talking about could have had strep throat, laryngitis, or simply stressed vocal cords/voice box that was coincidently relaxing when he “prayed” over them. No need to assume that their imaginary god character listens to some people, and fixes their temporary throats problems while ingnoring millions of terminally starving children and their parents around the would. :O/ P.S. It is cool to see that Dan Barker escaped his delusional belief in that imaginary god character so early on. :O) Katalyzt
@Treeflower15
10 жыл бұрын
wow Oprah was so rude to them
@hisvorpalsword
10 жыл бұрын
Dan lucked out!
@wresler103
10 жыл бұрын
Right?! What a cutie!
@j1o1h1n1f32
10 жыл бұрын
wresler103 She IS a very beautiful woman. At 8:23 she's giving him a look like " You had me at truth..." This is obviously love at first sight you could cut the chemistry between them with a knife lol
@capoman1
8 жыл бұрын
8:22 Annie giving Dan the eye.
@capoman1
8 жыл бұрын
squ34ky2 Lol, it does look like it, naughty girl.
@uvyas76
10 жыл бұрын
This is a great find and what tremendous courage Dan Barker had at the time to go on OW when this was a very unpopular opinion. Reason, logic, kindness and compassion is all you need.....
@proslice56
11 жыл бұрын
When those guys were standing up and testifying....Dan should have said you know I was just like you but I found the truth. And it had to be Dan because women were not allowed to preach. Just imagine how god makes women subservient to men, and you wonder who wrote the bible.
@E101ification
10 жыл бұрын
Let me get this straight - Winfrey invites these people onto her show under the pretence of discussing their institution and helpline, once they're on the show she proceeds to berate and insult them, becoming more and more abrasive with each passing minute, accusing them of believeing things they never said they believe (i.e that no god or gods exist), and when all of this fails to rile her 'guests' up, she has the gall to act like the Atheists are rude, have somehow sneaked on to her show, 'hijacked' it, and are using her prescious air-time to preach Atheism to her audience. The depth of her dishonesty and ignorance is truly astounding. At no point in the first half of this 'interview' do the Atheists exhibit anything but the utmost respect and politeness, in the face of rudeness, snide remarks and accusations. They came onto the show to discuss their helpline, or whatever you want to call it, and perhaps create awareness for it, and all she can do is continually accuse them of trying to force people to give up their religion, which is impossible as you have to PHONE the helpline yourself in order for them to help you, no one who doesn't already _want_ to get rid of their religion will phone them up in the first place - Winfrey knows this, but she can't antagonise something so harmless, so she needs to misrepresent it to her audience in order to appear just in her aggressive and disgusting attitude towards them. She's a fucking parasite.
@blueelectricsmoke
10 жыл бұрын
The first questioner says that opposition to the old covenant was the birth of justice itself. Well that's just fractally wrong...and let's be honest most Christians are okay with the old covenant. The second questioner descends into a free-form rant about nature. The third questioner gives the predictable no morals without god argument. The fourth questioner believes in miracles of healing....this is too cringe-worthy to watch.
@w8m4n
4 жыл бұрын
It's so easy for me to be an open atheist where I live and in the current climate, so it's easy to forget or not recognise how brave these people were and are.
@RS54321
Жыл бұрын
They won't feel so brave standing before God on judgment day.
@w8m4n
Жыл бұрын
@@RS54321 well, that's what you think. They're really not worried about such silly tales.
@RS54321
Жыл бұрын
@@w8m4n I know they're not worried about it, unfortunately. It doesn't matter if I think it or you call it a 'silly tale'-truth is truth.
@dwightfitch3120
7 ай бұрын
@@RS54321Uttering that stupid old canard yet again for the umpteenth time was certainly not brave, or reasonable of u
@dwightfitch3120
7 ай бұрын
@@RS54321Ppl like u, who think they know the unknowable, r probably the most ignorant of all. Do u think ur fighting J’s battles for him.? Why does J need an army? Why should anyone believe anything u say after this dismay of emotional/intellectual smugness and vacuity?
@Limited-Hangout
10 жыл бұрын
Oh wow a tree is so majestic therefor there is a God. Cause it is so beautiful. Ever ponder the cruel and cold mayhem operating in that tree? Insects stuck in sap. Spiders enveloping their pray. Chipmunks gnawing one anothers nuts off during mating season. Beautiful.
@TheRealMake-Make
10 жыл бұрын
42:48 "What if you're wrong?" Oooh, ouch! Never heard that one before. Check mate, atheists! (Kudos to Edward Current for popularizing the phrase.)
@dkeith45
10 жыл бұрын
One of the hurdles a doubting Christian has to pass is the question "what if I'm wrong?" and once you realize you are not wrong, you become an ex-Christian. Once you no longer accept that your wisdom is foolish, that God made the wisdom of this world foolish, that you can never understand and must just have faith, that doubts are not Satan trying to deceive you, and start to use your logic, and reason is when you soon realize how error ridden the bible is.
@TheRealMake-Make
10 жыл бұрын
dkeith45 I went through that phase for a long time before finally letting go of Christianity. It may have been about three or four years of incessant doubts. I thought my questioning of religion was bad and sinful, and that being naive about everything was the safest route to happiness. I'm glad I'm no longer bound by the shackles of religion.
@tirsden
9 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I haven't actually heard that one in a while, but then I don't communicate with religious people much anymore. So, what if I'm wrong? Well, if I'm wrong about the biblical god not existing, then that would mean he exists... and christians don't have any idea what that would actually mean. The god of the bible is an atrocious and morally-bankrupt disaster, shown to be such by his own supposedly-holy book. Thus, I *hope* that the christian god does not exist, because that kind of malevolent creature should not be let loose on the universe.
@dkeith45
9 жыл бұрын
tirsden I know Christians who have privately told me they don't like God, yet have to obey because well, he is all. He made everything and it doesn't matter if he's like-able or not. But I say, if you examine the bible to see if it's error free first, look at it with a critical eye, and see how it stands against current knowledge, you'll realize that the God of that bible cannot exist. If there is a God, it's not the God of Christianity.
@applezebrbra
10 жыл бұрын
That fucking audience....
@cloudoftime
8 жыл бұрын
Dan Barker and the Gaylors are really brave. They really helped pave the way. The audience members are scary. What ignorance.
@silverfang65
4 жыл бұрын
thankyou to the brave secular humanist on the panel!
@HollywoodColt
6 жыл бұрын
I really wanted to watch this but I find Oprah Winfrey utterly repulsive.
@alphacause
11 жыл бұрын
Before Russia fell to Communism, it was mostly a Christian country, and when Communism took over the country, religion was suppressed. So it was natural, when Communism fell, for Christianity to make a resurgence. Russia's current Christian identity is not due to prayer, but is due to their history. And it is odd that millions pray for safety, food, and healing and don't get it. As is often said, the so called "success of prayer" is the art of only counting the hits, and ignoring the misses.
@pining4apple
10 жыл бұрын
This is the first time Dan met Annie...they eventually married. Sweet.
@Raydensheraj
5 жыл бұрын
It's like listening Intelligent, educated individuals talking to a bunch of brainwashed psychopaths.
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