You have to take into consideration the quality of the above field, and what Dancing Brave did to them. This was an iconic sporting event of the last century.
@davidhurley7580
10 жыл бұрын
Greatest mile and half performance post war. Great field , Great horse.
@cyril1sm
10 жыл бұрын
The experts agree that this could of been the greatest performance by a racehorse. I agree. Truly astonishing. Seabird was special along with brigadier Gerard and would like to know if secretariat would of handled the undulations on a proper racecourse against these greats without sweating up. Instead of running around a greyhound track. Dancing brave truly the greatest. Wow. I had hairs on my arms rise watching live and still do watching this astonishing horse. Truly truly the best!!!
@alwaysfair4991
2 жыл бұрын
Sea Bird was Bering's grandfather.
@cyril1sm
Жыл бұрын
@Stephen Small sir - did you watch the derby in 86. He came around Tattenham Corner deep last. Greville Starkey was on board that day. Dancing Brave was so far last and out it was that wrong. He never rode again and Pat Eddery took over. He was possibly the fastest horse we have seen over 1 mile 4 ever - with exceleration he would have gone past Frankel at 1 mile 4. It is the golden distance. He could meet that horse at lower distance and then go some at 1 mile 4. One of the greatest ever - DANCING BRAVE I SULUTE YOU !!!
@pauldonohoe3646
9 ай бұрын
@@cyril1smYou're wrong there mate, Starkey rode Dancing Brave in the Eclipse after the Derby and won by a street.
@benthedo3309
3 жыл бұрын
Best horse ever, strongest field ever assembled, best ever race..always gets hairs tingling...and here comes dancing brave...it was gone but he still won it!
@benthedo
12 жыл бұрын
Simply the best horse I have ever seen in the last 40 years..."and here comes dancing brave"...
@benbim540
9 жыл бұрын
probably the best and deepest field assembled for a horse race ever.
@wayneg6831
8 жыл бұрын
+ben bim id say it was as well
@ASupremeOwl
14 жыл бұрын
Truly trully brilliant, The greatest ever Arc win from one of the greatest of all time...
@alanpett1230
8 жыл бұрын
Sad demise of a great horseman - not seen this since 1986, amazing acceleration in the last half furlong - a fantastic horse and a genius jockey - Cheers Pat.
@slickwillywize
8 жыл бұрын
The greatest performance in history when considering rivals, position and conditions
@Spursrule1969
9 жыл бұрын
Horse racing doesn't get better than this.
@Broonzied
Жыл бұрын
I have watched this race way more times than any other. Its still great.
@chrisnash5344
8 жыл бұрын
rip pat..what a legend...a true champion.
@billybragg6058
3 жыл бұрын
Best horse ever I care not what anyone says
@davidbillings8519
8 жыл бұрын
R.i.p Pat.made a lot of money in those days,Dancing Brave the best horse I ever witnessed (thanks Kev Carcass) for tipping it me.you to r.i.p
@grahammonro6500
7 жыл бұрын
And Poor Bering...He probably would have Won any other Subsequent Arc...Tryptich 3rd..Sharastani 4th..Shardari....Darrara...Acatenango...The list goes on...Great Field ..Great Days ...Sadly Most, if not all these wonderful Horses are No longer with us..We must appreciate them while we still have them...👍
@Nautilus1972
8 жыл бұрын
R.I.P. P G Eddery. There was you, Willie, Mickey Joe, then everyone else.
@mrk24107
9 жыл бұрын
This is from that greatest Arc video where Graham Goode re-dubbed the commentry, somewhere on KZitem is the original; "And here comes Dancing Brave powering down the centre of the track" commentry, still brings a smile to my face even today; cracking race and a cracking champion.
@grahamjohnston7395
8 жыл бұрын
RIP Pat Eddery, one of the game greatest jockey..........
@grincher2006
15 жыл бұрын
the greatest horse Ive ever seen.
@copyk5858
8 жыл бұрын
One of the best! Ever!
@ibanez777vbk
14 жыл бұрын
dancing brave was the best horse ive ever seen.his turn of foot was electric,g starkeys ride in derby cost dancing brave ultimate legend status
@TopRobbo1970
15 жыл бұрын
Magnificent horse, and magnificent riding by Eddery.
@alastor2322
8 жыл бұрын
Pat Eddery's greatest moment-fitting that he won this race on an absolute legendary horse
@GBeret83
14 жыл бұрын
Dancing Brave, an absolutely great, electrifying colt. What a turn of foot on this horse. wow.
@ftmwithsafc
9 жыл бұрын
quality one of the best middle distance horses ever not many if any could beat him on his day
@rayilvem
2 жыл бұрын
DB was the horse, and Pat the Man !
@marshytv5269
3 жыл бұрын
What more can you say, sheer brilliance from horse and jockey.
@x2029x
12 жыл бұрын
@rcschumann: Dancing Brave is an Akhal-Teke horse. Check out breeding through official sources (and not wikipedia).
@tonymolloy4802
8 жыл бұрын
RIP Pat Eddery..... ONE OF THE GREATEST !!
@oldnook
10 жыл бұрын
Brilliant horse, never forgive Starkey for losing the Derby on him
@ASupremeOwl
14 жыл бұрын
@MEECHIO Thanks for that. What an horse Dancing Brave was... Magic!
@jameswillison2220
3 жыл бұрын
An absolute legend
@chriswhite6610
4 жыл бұрын
What a horse only only one brave.
@Laytonia1977
14 жыл бұрын
One of the best ever.
@macvatu
13 жыл бұрын
Sad to mention though Dancing Brave was hot favourite to win the Epsom Derby that year, but could only secure second place. Not the horse's fault, they reckon, the jockey that day, Starkey, left it just wee bit late to mount his challenge,... and hence, the dire consequence !!
@147ard
15 жыл бұрын
The speed of the Brave lives on.
@GBeret83
13 жыл бұрын
I'm still to this day stunned that Dancing Brave was so dominate in the 86' Arc and all of his races that season in Europe. But finished out of the money when he came to Santa Anita and ran in the BC Turf that year. I always felt like he was the class horse in that BC Turf field, and would run away with that race after winning the Arc so convincingly. TJMO.
@mallafets
Жыл бұрын
DB lost weight in transit to the US and had been on the go since March that year. He was a tired horse and almost died a couple of months later.
@MEECHIO
14 жыл бұрын
Awesome performance from DB against a high quality field as well. I think you can forget his run in America as it seemed to me to be an afterthought having won the Arc and not forgetting back then it was nearly impossible for a European horse to win on the West Coast. He's the best in my lifetime imo and right up there with The Brigadier, Mill Reef, Sea Bird, Ribot and Vaguely Noble. But as we know it's all about opinions so I'm sure the Sea The Stars fans out there would disagree. :-)
@davebesag
11 жыл бұрын
Graham Goode's has redone his commentary here. His actual 1986 race call will be about on the internet somewhere. Probably copyright issues.
@SuperRaveTV
3 жыл бұрын
Had 100 pound at 7 to 2 3 weeks before the race The best arc winner ever
@marysueeasteregg
15 жыл бұрын
It was the Kentucky Derby, not the Belmont, in which Secretariat accelerated throughout the race, running each quarter faster than the pre- ceding. I can't imagine any horse accelerating in a 12 furlong race after running the first 6 f. in 1:09 4/5 (final 2:24). He could win coming from far back, stalking, or on the front end. I had not been aware of Dancing Brave as one of Europe's greatest runners - arguably the greatest - until very recently. What a pleasure to see film of the great ones!
@jackcrompton
8 жыл бұрын
RIP Pat Eddery
@147ard
15 жыл бұрын
Thats not true, Dancing brave only ever idled in front in one race (king George) because eddery got him stuck between the fading pacemakers at the corner and had to quicken DB to catch a hot pace, eddery then pulled dancing brave out in the straight and hit the front then moved in on the rail, the reason he looked like he idled in front is because eddery made mistakes and the horse was tiring due to these mistakes. He never idled in front in his craven, guineas, arc or 2 year old races.
@jamiebray320
3 жыл бұрын
He clearly didn't handle Epsom if you watch it closely, swaying from side to side on the wide outside, and Greville was worried about his stamina so switched him off at the back, a pity, because even 2 places closer when he began his run, he'd still have won. And why or why didn't they send him to stud after this? How were they hoping to Top this in the States? Pat Eddery was a legend too!
@francisnally555
8 жыл бұрын
R.I.P Pat Eddery
@willibaldcornfed
14 жыл бұрын
This isn't Graham Goode's original commentary. He must have re-done it for this video.
@jcartist835
2 жыл бұрын
What a Jockey Pat Was
@mabbrey
12 жыл бұрын
best arc ever!
@MEECHIO
14 жыл бұрын
@ASupremeOwl Those were ones that came into my head when typing, indeed Nijinsky would certainly warrant a place alongside the greats I've listed. Champion at 2 and 3 years and I very much doubt his Triple Crown winning feat will be repeated especially as now the Arc seems to take precedence over the St Leger in Owners and Trainers thoughts. Big Credit to Nijinsky for tackling both races. Would of beaten Sassafras in the Arc I'm sure had he not veered out to the left in the final furlong.
@advancedrequiem
12 жыл бұрын
One word: Frankel. Guess you're not blue in your face anymore, that is; if you know your racing
@matelot95
15 жыл бұрын
Anyone who rates Sea The Stars over Dancing Brave wants their heads looking at. At the end of the day though, none of them can compare to Brigadier Gerard.
@amazed66
14 жыл бұрын
@MEECHIO that would be like saying John Terry missed his penalty on purpose in the Champions League final a couple of years ago.
@pizzadud4
15 жыл бұрын
I would love to see Dancing Brave, Montjou & Zarkava run as that would be awesome, but the fact remains Dancing brave was the fastest horse ever to hit a race track, so would have won. Look at who he beat Shadari!!! Shahrastani Trytych Bering like a who's who of classic champions. the sad thing was they took him to the dirt in US and he was humiliated with sand reported in his eyes when he returned.
@mabbrey
12 жыл бұрын
only wayward lad would have caught him that day xxxxxxxxxx
@chrisvassiliou889
8 жыл бұрын
Great Race but Grundy beating Bustino in 1975 was Eddery's greatest race
@ThefightingCelt
14 жыл бұрын
@ASupremeOwl On his King George performance alone, he certainly had more claims than most. Piggott still maintains this particular performance is still the best from any top class horse he had ever ridden.
@cerij83
12 жыл бұрын
what about sea bird the 2nd alleged and shergar cant make my mind up who was he best
@wesdonze2014
8 жыл бұрын
sad to hear of the passing of Pat Eddery RIP
@ASupremeOwl
14 жыл бұрын
@MEECHIO And I would also hold Sea The Stars as one of the greatest of all time. No questions whatsoever...
@inspectormendel8807
7 жыл бұрын
Dancing Brave is the best there has been. Better than Frankel.
@mabbrey
13 жыл бұрын
only wayward lad would have caught him that day xxx
@hare1729
Жыл бұрын
Nicer that you didn't include oakseys commentary
@MEECHIO
14 жыл бұрын
@amazed66 Totally agree amazed66 what is this guy on!! Starkey messed up big time no doubt about it but to say he did it on purpose is just plain crazy.
@irishcowboy42
11 жыл бұрын
You refer to scientific.. of all the athletic, spiritual, visual and factual etc etc, you have to agree that times do pass and generations do evolve hence the ages over the past 200 years so to compare in simple terms the likes of 'Phar Lap' and 'Sea the stars' is just pure subjectivity. I am not saying one is greater than the other just purely stating it is relative to the time period of which they were both in.
@MEECHIO
14 жыл бұрын
@ASupremeOwl He started 11-10 Favourite in the Arc.
@42paulm
12 жыл бұрын
greatest horse not to win the derby starkeys fault
@forsoup
13 жыл бұрын
Did Dancing Brave sire many horses?
@ASupremeOwl
14 жыл бұрын
@MEECHIO Where the hell is Nijinsky in that group of horses You named? Thats like not including Muhammed Ali in the group of the best boxers of all time!
@Spursrule1969
14 жыл бұрын
MONSTER!!!!
@jasonfox4857
3 жыл бұрын
Munch
@ASupremeOwl
14 жыл бұрын
By the way does anyone know what Dancing Braves odds were for the Arc?
@sandcastlejim
15 жыл бұрын
Starkey cost this horse imortality when he fucked up in the Derby. Criminal offence.
@amazed66
14 жыл бұрын
@gumlefeta I'm trying not be rude here so don't quite know how to word this but that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read regarding racing. Why would he do that and not only lose the money and prestige that goes with winning the race but also lose the ride on the horse too, bar one other time when Eddery was unavailable? Had Starkey won the Derby he probably would have been winning on the horse here too.
@tonymcgrath700
8 жыл бұрын
Took his time getting there didn't he ?the greatest ever Nah that would be Sea the Stars ,would have beat DB by half a length without using the extra gear he had
@benthedo
10 жыл бұрын
Simply the best...would have beaten Frankel....
@edkaley1
9 жыл бұрын
benthedo I spoke with a certain James Delahooke, he bought Dancing Brave as a yearling. I asked him about Dancing Brave - he said he had seen some great horses Secretariat, Brigadier Gerard, Sea Bird etc, but he had never seen anything anything as good as Dancing Brave and would have backed him to win a July Cup. I then asked about Frankel - he said the fastest horse I have ever seen. I think Mr Delahooke's comment says it all. They are all great .
@edkaley1
9 жыл бұрын
benthedo I spoke with a certain James Delahooke, he bought Dancing Brave as a yearling. I asked him about Dancing Brave - he said he had seen some great horses Secretariat, Brigadier Gerard, Sea Bird etc, but he had never seen anything anything as good as Dancing Brave and would have backed him to win a July Cup. I then asked about Frankel - he said the fastest horse I have ever seen. I think Mr Delahooke's comment says it all. They are all great .
@edkaley1
9 жыл бұрын
benthedo I spoke with a certain James Delahooke, he bought Dancing Brave as a yearling. I asked him about Dancing Brave - he said he had seen some great horses Secretariat, Brigadier Gerard, Sea Bird etc, but he had never seen anything anything as good as Dancing Brave and would have backed him to win a July Cup. I then asked about Frankel - he said the fastest horse I have ever seen. I think Mr Delahooke's comment says it all. They are all great .
@sanjbudd
15 жыл бұрын
pretty poor ride for Pat in hindsight - 4 wide for most of the race so the horse must have been something special to get him out of that jam.
@mabbrey
12 жыл бұрын
paris was gd then crap now!
@ASupremeOwl
14 жыл бұрын
@greatest933 I'd argue Nijinsky on His day was the best there ever was... Phenomenal
@tonymcgrath700
8 жыл бұрын
Nijinsky won everything in a poor year and yet failed in the race that makes legends -The Arc , I wouldn't have him in my top ten horses of all time ,with respect
@elizabethtanner9050
3 жыл бұрын
@@tonymcgrath700 you could say the same about sea the stars, tell me what great horses did it beat
@tonymcgrath700
3 жыл бұрын
@@elizabethtanner9050 he beat everything put in front of him and with an extra if he needed it, the only time he used the extra gear was to get him out of trouble in the Arc where he went from looking beat 3 out to having the race wrapped up with over a furlong to go
@irishcowboy42
11 жыл бұрын
Are you serious? Generations are too problematic to compare, favourites are easy to distinguish so maybe that is more apt when compiling a top 5.
@mabbrey
10 жыл бұрын
only wayward lad would have got the greatest that day
@masstransit2
12 жыл бұрын
Im pretty sure Arkle and The Dickler were far superior to them all
@rodneymckee8431
3 жыл бұрын
I'm to yough to remember dancing brave but going on the videos I have seen he looked a machine of the horses I've seen sea the stars is the greatest for me what a race it would be dancing brave v sea the stars
@jasonfox4857
3 жыл бұрын
Got to question that me thinks!
@rodneymckee8431
3 жыл бұрын
@@jasonfox4857 question what
@jasonfox4857
3 жыл бұрын
Just dnt thnk Sea the Stars would SEA which way Dancing Brave went to be fair!
@rodneymckee8431
3 жыл бұрын
@@jasonfox4857 it would have been a fascinating race 2 true champions of there era
@jasonfox4857
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah to be fair Sea the Stars and Lammtara are my two favourite horses since i began watching horse racing alon with Dancing Brave...just a shame Lammtara had such a short career.
@thefinalfurlongx
12 жыл бұрын
Great horse but wow, could that commentary have been more dull?
@mabbrey
13 жыл бұрын
thing is he could have lapped them xxxx
@JonnyN0Starz
13 жыл бұрын
fuck me that horse could move
@Kingmole2008
15 жыл бұрын
pretty poor ride? pretty poor ride?!! if you knew anything about this amazing racehorse then you'll know that one of it's flaws was that it stopped and pulled up pretty much as soon as it hit the front - ya ever seen DB win the King George? the reason Starkey ballsed up the derby -forget about suspect stamina, they knew he'd stay. watch the turn for home on this video where he had to box DB to get cover again, it was a peach of a ride - only wish Eddery could ride Harcibald in the Ch'Hurdle!!
@user-wm7mp2fl1p
8 ай бұрын
Pat Eddery called Dancing Brave a Rolls Royce ride but mentioned the best horse he rode was Golden Fleece when an accolade is given by a Grandmaster it stands to pay attention to what was said end of story
@Spursrule1969
15 жыл бұрын
Starkey sucks!!! The Brave is the GREATEST!
@coltheface
15 жыл бұрын
royimsickofit knows nothing about horse racing.
@Spaceweed10
15 жыл бұрын
Sorry dude, that's absolute rubbish. DB was ridden that day as a horse who 'wouldn't' get the trip. DB was a speed horse who got a mile and a half very well, so if they knew this, why wasn't he positioned better from the off? It was the worst ride I've ever seen given to a Group 1 horse, who is arguably the greatest racehorse ever. Not winning the '86 Derby was possibly the no1 miscarriage of justice in racing history.
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