Breaking the game with /recorder and then breaking it again with the fumble mechanics vis-a-vis /switch macro is worthy of the Mad Hatter. Prior to /recorder, the server allowed AutoHotKey but you were not permitted to use delays. This essentially prevented the "always shield out except for the 200 milliseconds to perform a 2h/DW style" from working with AHK. It was still powerful, but the simple fact is that *THE EDEN DEVS* gave the players something immensely more powerful and abusable. So, instead of scrapping it they... what?.. make it so you can't switch weapons without fumbling?!?!? First of all, this *ONLY ADVERSELY AFFECTS MELEE CLASSES* -- All the other classes that don't use melee styles *CAN KEEP ON ABUSING IT!!!* So, not really a fix at all. Second, one of the most enjoyable aspects of playing an otherwise boring class like a Blademaster was coming up with /qbinds and AHK scripts that allowed a player to use a wide range of weapons depending on the situation. For example, switching to the appropriate legendary weapon to maximize your damage vs an opponent's armor type, or switching out your celerity proc weapon for a different one that would do more damage once you got a celerity proc to go off, or (of course) just the good ole fashioned switch to shield for slam then back to dual wield, etc. But now, you're just begging for an exasperating string of fumbles if you play like this. Accordingly, shield is all but gone from the Blademaster meta anymore, and forget about carrying several legendary weapons and *USING YOUR SKILL AND EXPERIENCE AT DAOC TO IDENTIFY THE ENEMY CLASS/ARMOR TYPE SO YOU CAN PLAY BETTER!!!* Instead, we have to stick with one offhand and, at most, two mainhands and use the baked in hotkey for 1h or 2h slot, and respec to 50 CD, 50 Blades, 28 Parry (or whatever). I'd like to point out that the shield skill has been available to the Blademaster class *SINCE RELEASE.* So, how can the Eden Devs possibly justify an absurd remedial measure--which doesn't even fix the problem entirely, but rather only nerfs melee classes--that erases almost a quarter-century of viability to a settled, balanced, widely accepted skill spec and corresponding playstyle? And how can they do this as a result of their own fuck up? A fuck up which was entirely unnecessary as AHK is widely available to anyone who cares to download it for free and figure out how to use it? If there ever was a time for Phoenix 2 to announce a launch, this is it. The fumble shenanigans, of course, are at the most recent end of a very long list of customizations the Eden Devs have implemented that have left us with such a dysfunctional, Frankenstein version of DAoC. There are some improvements and nice changes, too, naturally, but their propensity for tinkering and imposing such aberrant, counterproductive, and insidious tweaks have alienated what is likely the majority of the population out there who still care to play this game. And their dwindling server stats bear this out (along with other causes, too, but this is likely the strongest driving force in people quitting sooner than they otherwise would have). Sorry for the rant, but, as most of us know, you can't do this on the Eden forums or in game. So, my two cents. I appreciate your channel and videos on DAoC. You're thoughtful and inquisitive and, as far as I can tell, concerned about keeping the game alive and well.
@SmtN
Ай бұрын
Hi there thanks for the long post and your kind words! there's a few misconceptions however as I mentioned in closing of the video it's important for people speak their mind on this issue: - A lot of the shield swap footage used in this video is AHK; the 'shield out' mechanic worked fine (albeit slightly worse) - Fumble doesn't only affect melee classes, casters fumble spells too (e.g. when swapping myths or weapons for debuff bonus) - You can still swap weapons on BM, once every swing cycle which is sufficient for 95% of situations. Yes it's annoying if you mess up; I mention this in the video as for Phoenix, I think it had superior 8v8 balance however inferior everything else; their product is far far behind what Eden offers (and people take for granted) now. The grass is always greener, and covid gaming nostalgia is strong
@MrMerican87
11 күн бұрын
recorder should be banned
@konjuer
7 күн бұрын
But, it does f the melee classes? 🤔
@CalmTempest
Ай бұрын
Couldn't have explained the problematic situation better
@messitup
Ай бұрын
It's only problematic if you can't adapt:P
@dunkosnorto2052
Ай бұрын
I think you keep making useful content.
@clarkenssen10
Ай бұрын
How do people enjoy playing with AKH & recorder is a mystery to me. A huge part of the fun of this game is the richness of the tools you have at your disposal. For me, picking the right one at the right moment IS the game. Anything else is just a tastless version of it.
@SmtN
Ай бұрын
Perspectives differ :)
@Gored1
27 күн бұрын
AHK is for people who don't know how to play or be successful without a crutch.
@SmtN
26 күн бұрын
@@Gored1 do you use recorder?
@williambourque926
26 күн бұрын
Ask WoW players if they are cool with how Add-ons affected that game over it's life span. I think many will say they wish they weren't as required as they became.
@SmtN
25 күн бұрын
@@williambourque926 Yep I agree but I think the issue also for wow is that it would be hard to prevent (and replicated with external tools if completely banned)
@DorrianX
Ай бұрын
I just want the back of my characters head to have full set of hair so I can /helm off... is that to hard in 2024 for DAOC Eden? Thanks
@SmtN
Ай бұрын
Sounds like a skill issue 💁
@Garambo
Ай бұрын
Big W Eden for adding Recorder, i think it brought AHK user and Casual/other players on a Equal level, i just hope that the Devs find a way to finally nerf this /switch Weapons/Shield thing, without hurting the Hybrid Classes. It looks so stupid if u see a Melee Class sticked on you swinging his Empty Hands/Shield/2h on you.
@SmtN
Ай бұрын
They already did - just it's a less than perfect solution (pretty sure the video covers this? 😅)
@monchito7643
18 күн бұрын
Imo just put a timer on the 2nd reswitch from any item like 3 or 4s pb solved
@BudikahYT
Ай бұрын
I play both Ultima Online and Dark Age of Camelot - both of which are struggling with the same issues revolving around 3rd party tool usage to fill gaps in the original client. The problem is, it's just entirely unappealing to play with. It's a game that is already hard enough for some folks, then knowing I have the burden of learning an entire macro system... I just go and play something else entirely. UO: Outlands has done a good job at trying to mitigate the issue, and is working to turn off scripting in anything PvP related sometime this year hopefully. I don't know what the answer is, but it certainly ruins the experience for some of us.
@SmtN
Ай бұрын
I know nothing about UO - so that context is pretty interesting man thanks
@ArThoX
Ай бұрын
I'm still waiting for the day they make you lose one full swing time when you switch weapon!
@alsega01
Ай бұрын
The root of the problem always will be the /switch command that comes from phoenix wanting to create a qol feature for assassins. The poison system has been revamped, the only remaining aspect to /switch is the abuse opportunities it creates. Recorder is a beautiful feature that works perfectly for its original intent; firing various abilities at the same time. However, the presence of /switch is the source of abuse, not recorder. I still don't understand why the devs still keep /switch in the game. The counter arguments to removing /switch provided by the devs were ... Original at best.
@SmtN
Ай бұрын
Unfortunately without switch you go back to people making AHK mouse macros (drag and drop). But maybe there is a way to block that ingame when the target is in combat? it's a super complex problem to fix
@alsega01
Ай бұрын
@@SmtN What was the proportion of players doing mouse drag/drop scripts in ahk? I'd be very confident saying it is much lower than what we are seeing with the recorder/switch combo.
@SmtN
Ай бұрын
Low, but once the box is opened it can't be closed. If you remove /switch, people will turn to ahk to retain features they've grown accustomed to
@Cruzcamp0
Ай бұрын
No gear swaps in combat wouldn’t be hard to implement. If it’s equipped no problem. Unhappy about shields? Put a 2 second GCD on blocking after swapping to shield from a 2h weapon or DW. Fumbling is probably the least fun way to manage it.
@SmtN
Ай бұрын
@@Cruzcamp0 there's no solution that doesn't have either a) ahk workaround or b) curtails valid, manual play unfortunately e.g. your 'no gear swaps in combat' nerfs almost every melee playstyle
@connorr06
Ай бұрын
Great vid! Explained everything really well :) I wonder how many tweaks they'll have to add to recorder to make it balanced. #NerfHunterPls
@SmtN
Ай бұрын
thanks dude, yes they're adjusting it over time
@davidmayes4212
29 күн бұрын
I enjoy the recorder stuff, but not the fumble... makes playing with legendary weapons difficult. There's a video of a nightshade running around with a shield unless they're attacking and that's hilarious to me.
@SmtN
29 күн бұрын
Yeah, that nightshade shield was pre fumble patch
@christianhobelsberger4182
25 күн бұрын
Loggen in after 2 months and was like: why the Fugg am i dump and dont click spells? They wont go off xd plis halp
@e.m.7439
Ай бұрын
funny how people who didnt use AHK before got memed on.... so in response Recorder was released..... which actually resulted in the 25% effectiveness bonus you were mentioning in the video to those using(or abusing)... however you look at it. so in a way it comes full circle, because the original thing non-AHK players were getting memed on for, became an actual reality in-game with recorder =) funny stuff
@SmtN
Ай бұрын
It's not really full circle because of a lot of the valid use cases for ahk (paladin chants, easier styles) are serviced (better) by /recorder
@e.m.7439
26 күн бұрын
@@SmtN "autohotkey kicked me from the grp and stole my dragon loot" "yea i know man i was beating this rr15 champion but then he turned on autohotkey and stunned me for 45 seconds" - well fear not gentlemen, you shall suffer no longer....
@SmtN
26 күн бұрын
@@e.m.7439 💯
@jtuber7529
2 күн бұрын
get rid of macros in all mmorpgs
@sergeysmirnov901
Ай бұрын
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