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@Eldagusto
10 ай бұрын
I think arch dragons are the early dragons who are born before or near the war, same as ancient dragon. And everlasting dragons are dragons who are perfect and eternal with scales of immortality, and are also the highest of the arch dragons. Arch dragon like arch mage or arch demon just mean great or highest of. So they are the god tier dragons as opposed to the lesser more mortal dragons of modern era who breed and die like beasts.
@Eldagusto
10 ай бұрын
On theory I had was when Dragons die and their souls reincarnate it becomes a giant since they are to magnanimous for a standard frame. So humanoids with a soul of a dragon (so dragons imperfect enough to have a soul) become giants, and they eventually formed their own tribes early in prehistory.
@Eldagusto
10 ай бұрын
Giants might also be reincarnations of the archtrees that were burned rather then the dragons so they become trees again when they die.
Dragons as a metaphor for rocks and minerals, giants as a metaphor for trees and forests. Such a neat game
@Invader_Hex
9 ай бұрын
nito
@qwopiretyu
8 ай бұрын
@@Invader_Hex hes a metaphor for calcium
@yikes6969
7 ай бұрын
they literally were made of rock and mineral, it's not a metaphor lmao
@prismriot4910
7 ай бұрын
Maidenless as a reference to elden ring players getting no bitches
@BaalFridge
7 ай бұрын
@yikes6969 i think people forget allegory and metaphor are two different words sometimes
@jackjones7062
10 ай бұрын
Especially with the way dragons were used in DS1, it felt like they were meant to be so old and powerful they were pretty much features of the landscape, closer to a natural force than most life forms are
@Grimsly3736
2 ай бұрын
Midir still kinda fits into that imo, with how much character he has as now he’s overflown with emotions (dark) and this is probably why he’s the most animated of all the dragons besides Seath of course even having a personality as Midir spies on you throughout your adventure in the ringed city itself and in your fight with him he puts a lotta anger into his strikes at you, Midir essentially became the opposite of what you described
@michaeliniga7958
10 ай бұрын
Aldia is my favorite NPC in the dark souls series. One of the few characters with answers instead of more questions. He saw through all the bullsh!t.
@insertedgynamehere___969
10 ай бұрын
"A lie remains a LIE!"
@shen5533
8 ай бұрын
Aldia became aware of the DS world of ambiguous-lore bullshit.
@qwopiretyu
8 ай бұрын
@@shen5533 hang on a tick, your history book and my history book tell the same story with details altered... This is a shell game!
@goathead4831
10 ай бұрын
What if the basilisks aren’t simply cursing you with their breathe attack but are actually conjuring the fog of non existence to turn you into minerals… or like the fog is transporting you to a time before the age of fire. Knowing how repair powder works, it isn’t completely out of the realm of possibilities.
@napalmpudding
Ай бұрын
🤯
@Jaden-Ring
10 ай бұрын
I sometimes can't help but see the desire to become great ones in bloodborne as a parallel to the desire to become a dragon to escape a lesser existence in dark souls and even elden ring. Although magma wyrms and childless successful great ones are still left wanting. Showing to me that there really is no perfect existence in these worlds even if you ascend as high as you can.
@ProjectRedfoot
10 ай бұрын
"The ultimate perfection is to accept that you are imperfect" (I'm paraphrasing something. I forget what. Do your own research lol)
@kimlee6643
10 ай бұрын
While I understand the sentiment, I think Dragon Communion tilts much more strongly towards the desire for destructive/raw power, and having that draconic power be a fundamental force for corruption - for all such Communion arises from violence against dragons (hunting and consuming dragon hearts) and all related incantations do harm attuned to whatever dragons have been hunted. I find that the presentation is rather straightforward on this, from Yura's warning to the Dragonbarrow ghost's pathetic demands that the/a dragon surrender their heart - it all alludes to prototypical sinful, personal pursuit of power that can only end in corruption/loss of one's self - such that this is the unavoidable consequence, rather than the desired goal. There is also some good contrast with the Dragon Cult followers, which seek to harness draconic power from Ancient Dragons that does not rely on dragon hunting, but rather emulation/channeling of the lightning that characterizes those beings. Both of these distinct ways to harness draconic nature, however, seem to come together in the fascinating form of the Dragokin Soldiers - beings that seemed to have aimed the highest, and so failed the most miserably, in their attempt to emulate Ancient Dragons. I still think it's reasonable to assume that these beings were aiming for the more straightforward flavor of immortality and power, rather than transcendence that challenges the concept of "living" in itself.
@koshergaming3964
9 ай бұрын
@kimlee6643 I agree with you with how Dragon-ascension works in Elden Ring, and in that world power seems to be a larger focus on why to do anything. In the Souls series I've always seen Dragon Ascention as an attempt at escape. They are beyond cycles of life. They are powerful, but man and giants forged lightning and struck them down in number. To be a dragon-ascendant is to dedicate yourself to conjoining with their ancient essence and doing so leaves many people as half transformed husks. The pilgrims continue to go and pray because it's an escape from the broken, non-natural cycles of the world and rejoining the original energies of the land.
@ejihajwilhelm4604
10 ай бұрын
"Oh hey smoughtowns putting out a video in an hour, oh hell yeah it's about ancient dragons, OH HELL YEAH I have so much laundry to fold to this!"
@SmoughTown
10 ай бұрын
hahaha! Hope it makes the laundry folding epic!
@alanrockwell8160
10 ай бұрын
Dude me too
@kyleshurtliff2056
10 ай бұрын
Scrubbing my shower imagining all the little humans learning to sew crests and cast lightning bolts so they could go fuck up some eternal deities went pretty hard
@yikes6969
10 ай бұрын
Doing gymnastics on it
@zombiecrepsley8991
10 ай бұрын
Washing the dishes, always love Smoughtown keeping me company in the kitchen
@Women_Respecter
10 ай бұрын
Dragons in Dark Souls and Elden Ring hit two different spots. Dark Souls dragons are all unique and have their own personality. Elden Ring Dragons show the distinct race of Ancient Dragons in game are still powerful and fearsome, yet rare. FromSoft having both allows them to scratch both itches
@kimlee6643
10 ай бұрын
That is actually an interesting way of putting it. ER dragons have names (implying uniqueness here) down to the drake-type ones (e.g. Agheel, Greyll, Smarag) and wyrm-type ones (e.g. Makar). Though Ancient Dragons have associations with the highest demigod figures (e.g. Fortissax with Godwyn), drake-types can still be very relevant for the lore as individuals, as happened with Adula, who was defeated by Ranni, becoming knightly bound to her service, and who can cast a powerful sorcery to boot. Agheel also has what we can describe as worshipers, to the point they chant about it in their state of madness. ER dragons are thickly embedded into the once thriving world of the Lands Between. This also makes it noticeable that, unlike Dark Souls, ER dragons are rather common, from Magma Wyrms to Ancient Dragons, they are quite a few in number. That said, the difference between DS and ER dragons and the concept of transcendence is quite distinct. Especially because ER Ancient Dragons are as beholden to the power of the Elden Ring as much as any other group, and so cannot represent, by definition, an order beyond it.
@MrJordwalk
10 ай бұрын
@@kimlee6643 "That said, the difference between DS and ER dragons and the concept of transcendence is quite distinct. Especially because ER Ancient Dragons are as beholden to the power of the Elden Ring as much as any other group, and so cannot represent, by definition, an order beyond it." This point underscores the fact the transcendence humans who make the Dragon Communion attempt is always one made in vain, as they are cursed to become Magma Wyrms: simultaneously more than human and less than what they believed/hoped they would become.
@kimlee6643
10 ай бұрын
@@MrJordwalk Indeed, I argued just as much in another reply. I think it's very clear Dragon Communion is a violent pursuit of destructive power that ends in either violent death or total corruption of the individual. This is completely different from the Path of the Dragon in Dark Souls. It's a bit of a shame this isn't mechanically more interesting in-game for ER, and we're left at a mere eye cosmetic. A body transformation effect would've been very interesting, as well as being invaded by NPCs and/or other players attempting to take our draconic heart. Alas, it is what it is.
@HanzoHatt
10 ай бұрын
Yet they still need to give dragon cult users an awesome looking dragon form with moveset.
@kimlee6643
10 ай бұрын
@@HanzoHatt Very low chance, but I have my fingers crossed for something like this. Also imagine it ties with multiplayer, so that when you're in "dragon form" other players try to take your heart. Alas, we can assume it's not happening.
@educatedlaziness3268
10 ай бұрын
An interesting take that i had is that perhaps the Giants arent distant relations of the Dragons, but of the Archtrees. Their metamorphosis when they die, taking on even more tree like looks, their connection to the passage of time is similar to the Ancient Dragons but they dont share the same niche. Perhaps they're descendents the same way Kalameet and the Gaping Dragon are, the advent of life and death twisting what were primordial beings into new forms
@SmoughTown
10 ай бұрын
Yeh could defo buy that
@sageastreaus7905
10 ай бұрын
I absolutely love that you included so much Dark Souls 2 lore towards the end. I know the major controversy behind DS2, but to me, that game is incredible, and will always have a place in my heart.
@RossAshmore
10 ай бұрын
Its not a FromSoft game without dragons of some sort! I still remember discovering the stone dragon at the bottom of ash lake, it was both terrifying and awe inspiring!
@SmoughTown
10 ай бұрын
So true and yeh finding Ash Lake and the dragon, genuinely such a magic experience. Was expecting it to attack me...but it was so serene!
@pebrockk
10 ай бұрын
@RossAshmore But there's no dragons in Bloodborne.
@sergiovergaramontemiranda2116
10 ай бұрын
@@pebrockkdanm you beat me to it. But yes we dont have dragons. We have eldric abobinations and frankenstein est monsters but not dragons
@timmichan9581
10 ай бұрын
And that soundtrack
@michael6880
6 ай бұрын
@@pebrockkI'm gonna be the pedantic ass and say it depends on your definition of a dragon, before it was the traditional four legged creature that could fly, either with wings like the European and American dragons or slithering like the east Asian dragons. They were just about any monstrous beast of unnatural order, So the moon presence is a good contender But otherwise yeah, no dragons
@thatonefinalgirl
10 ай бұрын
The time before all others, where these massive dragons could exist when nothing else could, is by far the scariest part of Dark Souls to me! It almost has an Eldritch feeling to it. Great work as always!
@SmoughTown
10 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! And I agree - they feel so otherworldly in Dark Souls!
@bubbachord0167
10 ай бұрын
There is so much depth to these games, how did I never even question what the giant skeletons were in the tomb of the giants
@EnglishAaron
10 ай бұрын
Never forget Gwyn caused the endless cycle because he was afraid of letting things naturally progress as it was supposed to.
@andyghkfilm2287
9 ай бұрын
got what was coming to him, he did
@chillyavian7718
Ай бұрын
My guy, his soul was fading away. What world you do in said scenario?
@skeletorgames8641
19 күн бұрын
@@chillyavian7718fading away? It remained powerful enough to at least somewhat influence both the Iron King and the sum amalgamation of all who ever linked the fire, many cycles later.
@lemonlefleur6236
10 ай бұрын
I’ve always viewed the Fog of the Age of Ancients as a result of the unbroken primordial Fire that mixed both Light and Dark Souls. This is why the doors to bosses is coated in fog, as the power of our Dark Soul approaching in Contest a powerful Light Soul entity brings forth a shred of the ancient fog as if the two souls were once again mixed through their proximity.
@Ulta_Nagenki
10 ай бұрын
The fact that Humans could possibly be just evolved dragons just blows my mind. So many ideas from this one little thing. Like using divine and magical spells are innate to us from our once powerful fires or some such ideas.
@monsieurdorgat6864
10 ай бұрын
The "all giants come from dragons" idea is a little wacky but fun. I think it's more likely that ancient humanoids came from the Dark ("From the Dark, they came and found the souls of Lords within the flames") and maybe had the physical variability that we see in Oolacile and such.
@whatthemeep
10 ай бұрын
One of my favorite topics in the Dark Souls universe and, as always, beautifully put together and narrated. Keep up the good work sir 🫡
@SmoughTown
10 ай бұрын
Much appreciated my friend - will do!
@greenhydra10
10 ай бұрын
Got to Archdragon Peak on my current run of DS3, so this is pretty well timed!
@SmoughTown
10 ай бұрын
That's awesome! Hope you are enjoying the run!
@hhowdy
10 ай бұрын
We goin back to the olden days with this one 🗣️‼️‼️‼️‼️
@rickimaru915
10 ай бұрын
I like how Demon’s Souls, Dark Souls and Elden Ring all feature giants and dragons but they’re different in each, in both appearance and the role they play in world
@dumbsterdives
10 ай бұрын
i recently saw someone posit that the "undead" dragons are dragons afflicted by Nito's "miasma of death and disease" from the intro.
@swift5384
10 ай бұрын
Super cool learning about the fog and how it's a causality breaking force in the dark souls world. Makes me think that's why fog walls appear when you die to a boss. Travelling through it may essentially let you break causality and travel back in time to attempt the fight again from the beginning, explaining why a boss's health regens and the fight restarts. Pretty cool!
@individual2122
10 ай бұрын
I just realized something, the whole backstory of Dark Souls is essentially just a story about a bunch of Cavemen who discovered fire, exited the safety of their caves, and hunted a bunch of dinosuars to extinction, and while they was at it they made weapons to fight them out of their own bones, scales, teeth, and claws, and now the only remnants of the dinosuars are nothing bur lizards, snakes, and crocs. As for Seath's betrayal, him telling the secret of lightning as the Dragons weakness symbolizes humanity discovering electricity which officially ended the "Stone" age.
@UtterApe
10 ай бұрын
Words cannot describe how much appreciate this video. The dragons of FromSoft games are on the biggest highlights for me, and the fact that none of the lore divers have ever truly talked about the clearly different types of dragons in Dark Souls and how they came to be irked me for the longest time. Many thanks for these interesting insights.
@matmil5
10 ай бұрын
"A land of gray crags, Archtrees and Everlasting Dragons." Made me think that DS2 giants might be a corruption of the archtrees, not the dragons. Elemental and primordial connection remains there in this interpretation. Also, DS3 serpent ring piqued my interest recently. "A silver ring depicting a snake that could have been, but never was, a dragon." Serpents have always been called imperfect dragons, but here it is hinted that some serpents actively chose against being the dragons. We could even make a reach here that they have orchestrated the cycle as a whole to place themselves in high positions of power, plotting against their ken. Denouncing the scales, actively seeking the disparity, aiding the flames and choosing when eras should change. But that is just a theory
@n8doggy733
10 ай бұрын
28:51 Midir is the best designed boss fight I have ever faught in any game ever
@TheRookie01010
10 ай бұрын
The idea that humans may have came from dragons just blew my mind for real. I never thought of that in all my years of knowing dark souls lore.
@JOHN45332
10 ай бұрын
Thankyou for making this, it’s always annoyed me that nobody in the community seemed to understand the proper categorisation of the darks souls dragons and would just clump them all into one simple group. It really removed the eldritch, alien, unknown feel of the archdragons as well as the incomprehensibility of the age of ancients and leasend their mystery. Also great video 👍🏻
@SmoughTown
10 ай бұрын
Thanks so much John appreciate that. It was certainly Lokey's work that finally made all the 'categories' of the dragons, and now their evolution makes sense!
@benwil6048
10 ай бұрын
You can also talk to the ancient dragon to get the mist heart
@SUNDOWNESTUDIOS
10 ай бұрын
As always... another S-Tier Loregasm
@Eldagusto
10 ай бұрын
Undead dragons I believe are alive not from necromancy but either cause they are pseudo immortal. It’s also possible they are like ghosts and survived with a curse of misery and anguish or they are just steeped with the energies or souls of death and entropy .
@Zyvelteas
10 ай бұрын
Chef Smough, this full-course meal is particularly scrumptious. You really cooked with this one!
@SmoughTown
10 ай бұрын
Thanks so much! Means the world to me
@Phenriir
10 ай бұрын
We’re eating better than the King’s right now.
@Ravum
6 ай бұрын
Did you mean like better than Kings or better than the King is? It reads as better than the King is because of the contraction. I could read it either way and it would make sense, just curious which you meant.
@Phenriir
6 ай бұрын
@@Ravum Both, Smoughs videos are chefs kiss
@samueltitone5683
10 ай бұрын
I love how Fire Emblem’s dragons are consistently eldritch terrors from beyond the colors of time, but I think the everlasting dragons of Dark Souls have them beat as the single best dragons in all of fiction.
@skeletorgames8641
19 күн бұрын
Consistently? A lot of Fire Emblem dragons seem more like just elves who shapeshifter into mutant lizards. Though the final boss dragons do come off as cosmic horrors.
@slightlytwistedagain
10 ай бұрын
I have a theory why the lords challenged the everlasting dragons that I've never heard anyone mention before. The lords challenged the everlasting dragons because they would outlive them, and probably mocked them as well like they did to Seath. Denying the lords the power of the everlasting scales, they decided to pillage them and then give them to Seath so he can discover how to live forever and share that knowledge with the gods to escape the fading of the flame.
@DeadpoolX9
7 ай бұрын
“How’s it feeeeeeeeel Seath?”
@falseprophet4927
7 ай бұрын
@@DeadpoolX9"to be a... bitch?"
@ancientsnek9603
7 ай бұрын
"To be a ~b i t c h~"
@SpanishDio
10 ай бұрын
Everlasting dragons its such a cool From Software concept
@JackisaMimic
10 ай бұрын
Can’t wait to dive into this video!
@SmoughTown
10 ай бұрын
Hope you enjoy!
@igniortix
10 ай бұрын
Thanks for still covering dark souls
@SmoughTown
10 ай бұрын
More to come!
@braedenbumaro828
10 ай бұрын
If we consider the idea of giants shrinking and evolving into humans, we can consider the themes of humans weakening in Elden Ring, growing smaller and less physically strong/vitile as civilization progresses
@colbyboucher6391
4 ай бұрын
I'm really glad that you picked up and focus on how the dragons are sort of a symbol of eastern nondual schools of thought. Interesting to note how as soon as a dragon _wants_ something it becomes corrupted somehow. Most obviously the Gaping Dragon, but look at how Oceiros was consumed by the desire to become one. He tried his damnedest to become dragon-like, like the monks he brought to his court, but he desired it so much that rather than "doing the work" he tried to transform himself quickly through sorcery and became... whatever the hell that thing is.
@styge7512
9 ай бұрын
It seems notable that if we embrace the idea of ANCIENT MINERAL-BASED DRAGONS + FIRE/LIGHT/HEAT = LIFE AS WE KNOW IT, it closes parallels the idea of a primordial soup forming more complex proteins and ultimately life from minerals and heat during Earth's history.
@kalzero3319
10 ай бұрын
Another Banger from one of the all time Fromsoft Lore greats! This is a wonderful addition to the library of lore concerning the "eternal" Arch-dragons and the mysterious age of Ancients. You did a masterful job of explaining these otherworldly beings and weaving in the connected characters and events that would take place over the course of the three Dark Souls titles. Quick side note* Gwyn truly was a bastard. His admittedly valid fear of Humanity's dark nature(want) mixed with his all-consuming drive to keep his Age of Fire alive really did a number on the world of Dark Souls. The eternal constant of change is a terrifying reality that we all must come to terms with, but instead of making his peace with the inevitability of change he damned all of life(and death) to a never-ending cycle of madness. The scope of Gwyn's ambition and the motivations behind the curse he enacted upon the world is truly horrifying.
@cow2hug483
10 ай бұрын
At the end of DS he is hollow, all his ambition, his fear to let go ended up not only cursing the world but also himself.
@Writh811
10 ай бұрын
For a while now I have had it in my head that the war with the Ancient Dragons was started over the First Flame. I reason that the dragons likely became aware of what was changing their world and they sought to destroy it before it destroyed their world (Not unlike Gwyn with the Dark). They didn't count on the ruinous flame having champions to challenge them. Once their attack failed, the Flames champions turned Dragon Slaying into a sport.
@zm9498
10 ай бұрын
Wife: “Honey I’m pregnant!” Me: “Hold your horses SmoughTown just uploaded a new banger”🎉🎉
@SmoughTown
10 ай бұрын
🤣
@corporeal5980
10 ай бұрын
This is the video ive been waiting years for, thanks Smough.
@SmoughTown
10 ай бұрын
My pleasure bud, thank you so much for watching
@epicgamer-ui9mb
10 ай бұрын
Babe, my favourite elden lord content creator made another banger lore vid.
@mortuarycookiezshane4192
10 ай бұрын
Thanks for deep dive! I loved the original dark souls dragons. They are definitely my favorite. They have such unique appearances too.
@SmoughTown
10 ай бұрын
My pleasure! Thank you so much for watching
@sheikhshit
10 ай бұрын
That dragon to humans evolution theory sounds insane but then I remember that we all came from fish and that mammalian ancestors looked a bit more reptile like.
@reubenforbes3172
10 ай бұрын
If you make a video defining the dark soul and what it means when Gwynn linked the humans/pigmies to the flame you would receive the title of lore master
@SmoughTown
10 ай бұрын
I want that title
@nathanhudelson1834
8 ай бұрын
To focus on the Giants for a second, I agree that it makes sense for them to be related to the Age of Ancients given their strange biology. However, I'm not convinced that they are descendants of the dragons; I think it makes more sense for them to be descendents of the Archtrees. If the Everlasting Dragons were "infected" by life, by souls, when flame first appeared, who's to say that the Archtrees weren't similarly "infected", becoming more alive; so alive, in fact, that they learn to walk and talk and wage war? And then, when these giants die, when they are "cured" of the infection that is their souls, their bodies revert to a tree-like state, trying to become Archtrees again?
@vasylpark2149
5 ай бұрын
After looking at more dragons from FromSoftware I would say dragons with four wings are are ancient dragons, two wings are dragons, wyvern (pair of wings and hind legs) are modern dragons, and everything else decendants from them depending on the game - carps, centipedes, slugs, eels, snakes, raptors (birds of prey), etc.
@TrickyThe0ne
10 ай бұрын
So happy to see this still being discussed.
@SmoughTown
10 ай бұрын
Thanks bud - love this subject
@sheikhshit
10 ай бұрын
That dragon to humans evolution theory sounds insane but then I remember that we all came from fish and that mammalian ancestors looked a bit more reptile like. Oh well
@TextToSpeechYoda
8 ай бұрын
Fantastic video, I wrote an essay on a similar topic a few years back and I wanted to add that there may have been an additional reason the Dragons were slain tying back into Seath and the true nature of an undiluted Archdragon. Seath, rather than fire or any element, spews a crystal causing breath that curses you. This breath is specifically called a "frightening power of the ancient dragons" meaning this is what they would have produced prior to the First Flame corrupting them. Essentially they spread the stone stasis of their own bodies throughout the rest of the world, keeping it in that static age. My conclusion was that this is why they were killed, as an age without change is eternally at odds with the age of fire, age of man, and so forth. There is a lot more supporting this I think, throughout all three games, but I never saw an explanation put forth as to why the war happened when the Dragons had no emotions or really did much of anything in the original time period to our awareness. I think with Gwyn constantly operating from a pragmatic (though not moral) viewpoint, it explains the genocide of the Dragons while also squaring away any contradictions found in Yorshka or the gods raising Midir.
@challengingyou212
10 ай бұрын
Kind of nice to be back to dark souls lore for a change
@whiteboideku983
10 ай бұрын
Wow, what a treat! Ty for your awesome insight and hard work!
@SmoughTown
10 ай бұрын
My pleasure my friend - thanks for being here!
@whiteboideku983
10 ай бұрын
@@SmoughTownalways!
@KakarotGamingXP
10 ай бұрын
Ah yes...with all the turmoil happening out in the world we now have another amazing lore video to help me sleep and relax to. Kudos homie 👌
@SmoughTown
10 ай бұрын
My pleasure my friend, hope you enjoy
@wpb5876
10 ай бұрын
Absolutely fantastic video and thank you for sharing with the community! You tie together the series so well and present a thoughtful history of the Dragons that (I personally) completely overlooked. Time to play through the series again, but with a different pair of eyes this time!
@SmoughTown
10 ай бұрын
Thanks so much my friend! Really appreciate that. Enjoy the playthrough!
@KonnyKhaos
10 ай бұрын
ITS HAPPENING! NOBODY PANIC! SMOUGHTOWN IS RETURNING TO DARK SOULS LORE! SOMEONE HOLD MY HAIR BACK IM GONNA VOMIT PURE JOY!
@jake9107
10 ай бұрын
and then the king returned
@n8doggy733
10 ай бұрын
Elden Ring has my favorite dragons, especially the Lichdragon Fortissax
@SmoughTown
10 ай бұрын
Yeh I do like the aesthetics of the ER dragons - Fortissax is defo the coolest
@DanielGarcia-rx3kt
10 ай бұрын
The Age of Ancients show us how all life was once paradoxically blended together in a state of gray. At the advent of the First Flame, Souls were brought into existence with the Four Lord Souls being the representations of the metaphysical laws of the Age of Fire (Life/Death and Light/Dark and symbolically black and white to refer to a split of the gray of the Age of Ancients).The Archtrees would become Great Hollows once the Souls of the First Flame gave form to the Hollows of the Great Hollow. That's why the Hollows in Dark Souls 3 and the giants of Dark Souls 2 might've been turning back into trees: because they lost their Souls from the First Flame that gave them their individuality, physically and spiritually, thus they were reverting to their original forms, the Archtrees. That might be why trying to become dragons was a goal because they would be transcending their Archtree base form to become an Everlasting Dragon which is a higher form of divinity. Theory was put together with some occult and alchemical inspirations because Dark Souls seems to have a lot of that. Thanks for your fantastic video! Lots to think about!
@melo774
10 ай бұрын
just finished DarkSouls for the first time so this gon be a good one 🔥
@sarahdoublerainbow31
10 ай бұрын
Missed you Smoughtown!
@SmoughTown
10 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! Sorry for the delay!
@insertedgynamehere___969
10 ай бұрын
If life originated from the everlasting dragons, then that would make Gwyn even more like Zeus (obviously from Greek myth). The differenc between the Titans and the Olympian Gods is merely two separate generations.
@josharchibald4637
10 ай бұрын
This channel has most definitely become my favorite lore channel. Man, I love a good deep dive.
@SmoughTown
10 ай бұрын
Means the world Josh, thanks so much
@1god705
11 күн бұрын
My favorite bed time story
@WaterFlame3030
10 ай бұрын
SmoughTown, your lore videos will always be PEAK. I love your Elden Ring vids, your Bloodborne vids, and these Dark Souls vids as well. I believe you are perhaps one of the best lore youtubers on this platform, and will continue to believe as such till the end of my days!
@varsoonhks3211
10 ай бұрын
What's LoKey got to say about the two-dozen everlasting Dragon Asses down in the ruins of Izalith?
@doll5274
10 ай бұрын
What if the ancient dragons were the last inhabitants of what was the "last age of fire" or so, merely adapting to a new age. An age of "neutrality", no chaos or turmoil until Gwyns age of fire. The firekeeper in DS3 said that one day flame will return. Idk just a thought 🤔
@teddyhh9947
10 ай бұрын
Great video as usual. A possibility for why dragons exist may be that they started out as regular beings from ages past that followed the path of the dragon and thus perfected their physical form. The realization that dragons are not simple beasts but ancient sages may have been why Faraam chose to part with them. As for existing but not being alive that is a occult concept that regurarly comes up when contacting spirits through ouja boards etc. The spirit will insist that they are not alive, although clearly being sentient. The difference between being alive and merely having your consousness exist seems to be highly correlated to your ability to feel. Feeling something (anything at all, good or bad) seems to be something spirits actively craves. Being a dragon in the dark souls universe is akin to reaching Gnossis in our world. The degree of dragonification/stoneification is correlated to the degree of enlightment, and is a ongoing process. If you meditate correctly you will become a drake first, then dragon, then improve your scales etc.
@abeard1
10 ай бұрын
As always, great video
@SmoughTown
10 ай бұрын
Much appreciated
@TheAlphaLegionnaire
10 ай бұрын
Thanks for giving DS2 some love Smoughtown. It gets too much hate.
@SmoughTown
10 ай бұрын
My pleasure - more to come!
@mlooky1416
10 ай бұрын
this is my new favorite video in your channel dark souls lore always shows how genius miyazaki is, thank you and i hope you make more dark souls in depth lore videos
@BENIS8D
10 ай бұрын
RAAAAAAAAH NEW SMOUGHTOWN LORE VIDEO DROPPED 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@ja-vishaara
10 ай бұрын
The Design Works interview is pulling so much weight in all these lore discussion
@kimlee6643
10 ай бұрын
Pleased to see DS3 being mentioned in order to reinforce the theme of transcendence, as I find that the visual language of DS3 speaks more clearly to the underlying asceticism of the pursuit of the Path of the Dragon, which I find was well realized with Archdragon Peak, a place where it seems the stagnated foulness of the surface struggles against the cleansed heights of cold air and purposeful silence of a timeless mountain's peak. Down below, decay and death are accidents of distant and present hubris alike, yet in Archdragon Peak it's merely the collateral effect of conscious, individual choice to extirpate oneself from the mire. There is not much in DS3 quite like arriving there, and I think it's only surpassed by the arrival at the Ringed City. Still, having played DS3 first and then DS1, I could not believe, as I twisted the camera around best I could to get a view, that the Everlasting Dragon at Ash Lake was, itself, in that cross-legged meditative pose that I had found so striking in DS3. What a moment. It further cemented this representation of dragons as entirely distinct from anything else I'd ever been exposed to. Just like that, dragons were now miles beyond the basic idea of large flying fire-breathing lizards, and back into the realm of the unknowable - that most desired of all realms. It is a fascinating subject. Thanks for another great vid!
@phantomleaves
10 ай бұрын
Excellent video Smoughtown, I gotta get me a copy of the Abyssal Archive
@Walamonga1313
7 ай бұрын
Smoughtown as always the best lore video creator
@whatsnewbois9814
10 ай бұрын
43:16 It's confirmed: cats are related to dragons
@remeg.3295
10 ай бұрын
I love listening to you and This Is Nate. He does more Skyrim and fallout lore. But both of y’all are so fun to listen to both of y’all.
@DudeMcBro
7 ай бұрын
Probably right about the fire breathing. But my personal head cannon narrative is that the advent of fire actually had something to do with a dragon breathing fire - which then set off the events of the game. Its a chicken or the egg scenario, but the answer ends up totally changing the world building narrative.
@AlbertusSalvatierra
10 ай бұрын
‘Bout to eat this up
@wyattmorelock5832
10 ай бұрын
I love it when you upload. Your videos always make my day!
@gamersthumb3723
10 ай бұрын
This is one of your best videos! Just finished replay of ds1, perfect time to hear the lore again 💕
@zarkwhitnoname
10 ай бұрын
All this years later I am reminded of the damage to the lore that DS2 did. Dragons live outside of the cycle? yeah maybe before the cycle existed... but when the fire came they immidiately became corrupted by it, similar to all other races, and sure they can't truly die, but also the undead don't die, right? Doesn't seem like a great escape to the cycle to be honest. Anyway, great video as always!
@UnholyWrath3277
Ай бұрын
The undead hollow dragons dont. Also the true ancient dragons are outside of the cycle the only thing that affects them is outside forces like gwyn attacking them. Time has no effect on them and if left alone they would simply continue existing. They didnt make descendants until the age of fire becaus they simply didnt need to until they were being slaughtered and needed to reproduce. Ds2 was fine to the lore your interpretation of it is where there is flaws
@melkerbotin7098
10 ай бұрын
Amazing video!!!
@SmoughTown
10 ай бұрын
Thanks my friend! Means the world
@LLDevion
10 ай бұрын
dark souls time 🙏🏽🙏🏽 cheers Geoff big up the videos
@SmoughTown
10 ай бұрын
My pleasure my friend - thank you for being here!
@RobbieofCarim
Ай бұрын
Love your lore videos they help me sleep 😴 not that their boring you just have the kind of voice I can sleep well too so thanks bro 🎉😂
@coroarc8423
10 ай бұрын
Well done!
@10hawell
10 ай бұрын
I always believed that Gwyn when he got the first flame just turned into old man straight away, as if it was the platonic form of god of sunlight. Same as i believe that children of gods and pigmy lords didn't come from procreation but adoption, they were just first in line to recive pieces of first flame. procreation in world of dark souls is overall interesting topic, since there's only so much souls to go about there must be reincarnation, and maybe when population exceeded amount of souls, people started to be born with just humanity, idk but reincarnation and recycling of limited resource that is souls is interesting.
@michaelbloomer6376
24 күн бұрын
Dude I found your channel after vatti and playing Elden ring. Best thing to smoke too.
@FeedMeSalt
10 ай бұрын
Oh god, my body isn't ready.
@transgender_F-117
2 ай бұрын
the fact that there a are four legged and four winged, two legged and two winged, and four legged but two winged dragons really makes me want a two legged, four winged freak
@worriedremediation
10 ай бұрын
Just as I was dreading doing my mind numbing data entry job I see you uploaded this
@jonahs.757
10 ай бұрын
Oh chit let's gooooo! Waking up to a new Smoughtown drop. Love it.
@dotdotdot1000
10 ай бұрын
Not sure if I like this era of souls analysis where we're going almost entirely on secondary materials
@TheFeralFerret
10 ай бұрын
Usually I love this channel but I'm starting to agree. We're referring back to someone else's analysis every other sentence. "I quote Lokey now....". Not all those excerpts are sourced in turn, so it's not like it's conclusive information either. Again, love the content usually. Trying to be constructive.
@rebeccahamner8795
10 ай бұрын
Would love to see some in depth lore for lords of the fallen 🤞
@SmoughTown
10 ай бұрын
May well be coming ;)
@aprinnyonbreak1290
9 ай бұрын
Is there ever a reason given for why Seath doesn't have legs? The tragic Woodchipper of the Ancients he narrowly escaped from?
@cleanerben9636
Ай бұрын
The Dragons are attached to the fabric of the world. They were everlasting until the concept of life and death began, then they weren't. Becoming a true Dragon would not allow you to escape the cycle, but would tie you too it.
@cleanerben9636
Ай бұрын
This might be why the medials killed off the dragons, because they were preventing them from trying to alter the cycle
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