Yo Joe, i really appreciate the time and effort you put into your channel. The camera work, audio and editing is outstanding. Keep up the excellenct work!
@joentell
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I appreciate that. The kind words help to keep me motivated.
@AvivMakesRobots
4 жыл бұрын
This is the best audiophile channel on YT. You can tell he is serious because he leaves his ears outside of his hat instead of inside.
@lamecasuelas2
5 жыл бұрын
Cheap but good stuff reviewed, that's what i like
@OurFoundingLiars
6 жыл бұрын
I was shopping around for bookshelf speakers, and this review actually helped me decide on these. they just came today and I'm pretty satisfied! Only thing I wasn't expecting was the Star Wars sounds when you power it up! Is that a Dayton signature? Literally said "where the hell was that in the review". but yeah, thanks for the info!
@joentell
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I totally meant to talk about that in the review, but I forgot. It's exclusive to Dayton Audio. I have the same Bluetooth amp as these speakers and they don't make that sound. :-)
@OurFoundingLiars
6 жыл бұрын
I'm definitely not complaining, I thought it was pretty badass. Just might be a deal breaker if you're a hardcore Star Trek fan haha
@timschutte8310
5 жыл бұрын
Our Founding Liars , me too, I have a pair at work running off of a Micca amp @ 50wpc, with a 10 inch subwoofer run off the sub output off the amp getting the signal from a Sony cd, FM stereo receiver. nice for work
@digriz602
6 жыл бұрын
Subscribed. Your reviews are well done and well produced.
@joentell
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@DanB0yD
6 жыл бұрын
REW frequency response. That's a great thing to include in your video :) I just subbed. Thanks for your work
@realflow100
5 жыл бұрын
the extra highs sound great to me with the position I have the MK402's at on my desk. I prefer the sound without EQ they just sound more fun and pleasing to listen to for longer periods of time. running on a 2x50W TPA3116D2 amplifier on 19v 5A these have gobs of bass and volume plenty for me. Ive also got some overkill dual 12-inch MTX Terminator subwoofers in a ported box running from a 1000W amplifier the bass is plenty on these things. puts out crazy good sound with this setup!
@joentell
5 жыл бұрын
It's weird how much better they sound nearfield. I think it's because the bass is more audible close-up so it balances out the highs.
@michaelraye836
6 жыл бұрын
You should periodically put your channel in the wayback machine. I always thought it was pretty cool seeing larger channels back when they were smaller.
@joentell
6 жыл бұрын
Doesn't it do it automatically?
@michaelraye836
6 жыл бұрын
Joe N Tell I'm not 100% sure but I don't think so. I think urls have to be manually saved. It's only automatic for people with the wayback chrome extension.
@tonykartracer8032
6 жыл бұрын
Don't like active speakers much..... but nice review nonetheless. You should do a comparison with the Edifier R1280T as they are about the same in price and wattage, would be interesting to see how they hold up against one another.
@joentell
6 жыл бұрын
I'm curious about those too.
@mariusloubeeka5810
6 жыл бұрын
3:14 Great, a speaker review which includes measurements! I'm impressed to find something like that on YT! Okay, you didn't measure on axis (of the tweeter) like I'd do but at an upward angle perfectly resembles the usual listening situation on a desk. 6:17 No wonder they sound so bright. The crossover design seems to be crap: 1 ohm can't give enough attenuation for the tweeter to match that small mid-woofer. Furtermore there's no second coil so the tweeter doesn't even have a decent high pass which supposedly is responsible for that bump at 2 to 3 kHz.
@joentell
6 жыл бұрын
To be fair, I do measure on axis, but I often times just position the mic just to film some shots of the mic and the speaker together to give the viewer an idea what I'm doing.
@EspHack
4 жыл бұрын
it seems they fixed the highs with a better crossover now its MK402BTx and MK402x, perhaps they finally beat the MB42x?
@joentell
4 жыл бұрын
That's what they say. I wouldn't mind checking them out. I like the woofer they're using
@ericmoss6110
6 жыл бұрын
Amazing review. I hope you continue to make great vids.
@joentell
6 жыл бұрын
I'll try.
@fornarnia8
6 жыл бұрын
Amazing review. A lot of good detail here!
@joentell
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@sit02130
6 жыл бұрын
Nice...you could make a cheap passive L pad for the tweeters using a couple of resistors. search google for L pad calculator. cheers
@joentell
6 жыл бұрын
Yes you're correct. I've made a few L-Pads for other projects.
@bay71prelude
4 жыл бұрын
Great review. Thanks so much, Joe!
@pmusic6414
5 жыл бұрын
PSA: MK402X is now available. They gave it a better crossover for "a smoother, non-fatiguing high-end."
@joentell
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the heads-up!
@yodabolt1247
5 жыл бұрын
Have a pair of MK402X arriving tomorrow along with an SMSL Q5 Pro to run them. Can't wait!
@joentell
5 жыл бұрын
Oh, please update me
@yodabolt1247
5 жыл бұрын
With them setup in the role of desktop monitor speakers I'm quite amazed at the sound overall. The tweeters are a little muted compared to my HS8 monitors but the woofers are quite amazing. Without equalization the bass is typical of a small speaker. Running the Bass or Super Bass EQ settings on the Q5 Pro the low end is astonishing from such a small driver. Cabinet is nothing to write home about quality wise, but they have made a few subtle tweaks with metal pins for the speaker grill retention and a good quality crossover.
@jmd6813
3 жыл бұрын
Too bad this doesn't have a sub out port. I wanted to pair this with the dayton audio sub-800.
@hcho8164
4 жыл бұрын
I wonder if Parts Express will update this with TWS earphone technology so that each speaker can be used separately powered as well as together without speaker wires.
@tjjoseph333
6 жыл бұрын
Great Review
@porkrinds9572
5 жыл бұрын
When you had them connected to your turntable, did you know that most pieces of equipment that have "phono" inputs for turtables also have an inline standard EQ to counteract the high frequency level difference required when producing music on vinyl. I could be wrong, but perhaps that's something to look into...?
@joentell
5 жыл бұрын
You're talking about RIAA I assume. The turntable I had at the time had its own built on preamp that is supposed to do all that. The input on the speakers didn't have to do it. It's typically only on the preamp. If the speaker has a built-in phono preamp, it probably does what you're saying.
@Elcari007
6 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the passive version sounds less bright than the power ones. Because if you listen to them about 10 feet away and the volume is increased almost all the way up, they may produce a bright sound due to power limitations. But when they are placed 2-3 feet away from the listener, they sound much better simply because the amplifier is only giving out less than 1/3 of its power, resulting in less distortion, fatigue or bright sound.
@joentell
6 жыл бұрын
What you're saying makes sense. I think the passive ones seemed bright based on the review on NoAudiophile.com
@johnbewty
6 жыл бұрын
Nicely done! I like how you cover their suitability for desktop vs. suitability for living room usage. Lot of reviewers simply call a speaker "good" or "bad" without talking about how they might be good in one situation but bad in another situation. I also appreciated the comparisons at the end and the www.NoAudiophile.com shoutout. His DSP corrections are absolutely impressive and can make a mediocre speaker sound great. (Though I've never gotten them to work on a Mac!)
@joentell
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the compliments! I've been able to get the NoAudiophile presets to work on my Mac using AuLabs. It never worked as well as using the MiniDSP
@johnbewty
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's always been weird as heck w/ AuLab units and I don't know why. His settings for the Club 3 work great in Equalizer APO or the MiniDSP but simply sound like bizarre garbage in AuLab.
@mcjonner
6 жыл бұрын
Are you familiar with visio soundbar with sub? Seems like a go to easy upgrade for home theater for a great price. I wonder how these would compare? Really too bad you cant use a sub with them.
@joentell
6 жыл бұрын
You should watch my review of 2 Vizio soundbars
@mcjonner
6 жыл бұрын
Joe N Tell nice. This was my first video of yours an that was the first thing that came to mind, I'll check those out. If it doesn't address the comparison in the video, could you add some commentary here? Thanks!
@dmitryisakov3215
4 жыл бұрын
How can you compare them with Edifier R1850DB? Specs looks very similar...
@joentell
4 жыл бұрын
Https://bit.ly/SpeakerLeaderboard
@iseskaz
4 жыл бұрын
WHAT SOFTWARE IS THAT at 2:25?
@alanmorgensztern9573
6 жыл бұрын
Please, make a review I the Edifier R1700BT.
@joentell
6 жыл бұрын
That would be a good comparison video
@scotti_tran
3 жыл бұрын
How well will these work as rear surrounds (wireless) setup? Thanks!
@SgtMajorJay
6 жыл бұрын
Is there a bookshelf speaker that has a built-in amp you recommend for a computer set up? I'm not huge into the science of speakers like you but I also don't want a crappy speaker. Looking for something in the 100-200 price range. It'll mostly be used for watching videos and playing some music.
@joentell
6 жыл бұрын
Yes, these speakers! 😊 You can also check some of my recommendations based on price. www.kit.com/joentell Let me know what you decide on.
@dass216
6 жыл бұрын
Have you done a Micca mb42x review ? would awesome to do a side by side comparison .I am actually trying to figure out which to purchase , active or passive Dayton mk or the Miccas
@joentell
6 жыл бұрын
I haven't yet. It's a good idea though.
@dass216
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah the price points are so close, and so much hype around the miccas ,and this the only review of these Daytons
@joentell
6 жыл бұрын
What are you planning to use them for?
@dass216
6 жыл бұрын
PC , definitely not a large area
@joentell
6 жыл бұрын
Are you planning to do any EQ corrections like the ones on noaudiophile.com? Do you prefer a more accurate response or better imaging (for gaming)? If you want a speaker that sounds more accurate out of the box, I think the Miccas are better. I think the Daytons out of the box are more "analytical" and have more potential if you plan on using corrections using a parametric EQ. Let me know if that makes sense or not. It's tough to explain the difference. I don't think you would be disappointed with either.
@bigkabuto
6 жыл бұрын
Wait, I can just hook up a BT device to it and play music? That's quite awesome. Would you say you can build a good home cinema (Atmos eventually) with these speakers?
@joentell
6 жыл бұрын
Bluetooth is not capable of an Atmos config. It can only do stereo right now. Other technologies are emerging that may eventually allow that, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Yes, you can stream to these via Bluetooth i.e. from your phone -> speakers.
@bigkabuto
6 жыл бұрын
Joe N Tell ah yes, I know Bluetooth isn't for Atmos :) but I meant if I were to buy 4 of these and hooked them up to a Denon receiver, do you think they would work well as a home cinema set up? I saw some reviews saying they don't go very loud and don't produce a lot of bass. Although a good sub should do that.
@joentell
6 жыл бұрын
Thijs van Abs it would work if you used the MK402 non-bluetooth ones. If you're using a receiver, you don't want the speakers to be powered, you want the amp to do that. Anyway, unless your Denon had pre-amp out for each channel, it wouldn't work anyway. So yeah, I don't see anything wrong with setting up a bunch of MK402's. Any harshness in the highs can be tamed with Denon's use of Audyssey calibration. They even have a matching center channel. amzn.to/2O47znD
@bigkabuto
6 жыл бұрын
Joe N Tell thanks for the help, I appreciate it. I haven't yet decided what I'm gonna do. Making a home cinema setup from this would be incredibly much cheaper than if I were to go for brands like Revel, ELAC, and so on. Even though they are affordable too.
@joentell
6 жыл бұрын
You can go the Pioneer BS22 by Andrew Jones route. The Dayton setup would be fun and nice with a decent sub.
@synovium
6 жыл бұрын
how do they sound with classical music
@joentell
6 жыл бұрын
I don't listen to much classical so I'm not a good person to ask. I don't have a point of reference.
@stevengeraldo8291
6 жыл бұрын
Hey would you be able to connect the MK402bt work with an amp and a sub? Or would you have to get the non bluetooth version for that setup?
@joentell
6 жыл бұрын
Yes, you would need to get the non-bluetooth version and the amp I recommended the DTA2.1BT. You could probably find a way to bypass the built-in amp, but it wouldn't be worth the hassle. Just get the non-bluetooth version if you want to use a different amp.
@stevengeraldo8291
6 жыл бұрын
Joe N Tell Thanks my guy
@RonanAquilius
6 жыл бұрын
lol my computer speakers can play clearly down to 35hz... 60 just won't cut it for me, and yes they're the same price as these, the trick is to use tv speakers that come with a subwoofer.
@joentell
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, a sub will get you down to 35hz. I'm assuming you're talking about a sound bar. It's not a bad idea actually. I think a sound bar on a desktop makes more sense than below a TV, since you're close enough to the sound bar to get a decent stereo image. To be fair these can get down to 40hz too.
@iggypopisgod9
7 ай бұрын
HF travel faster, so these not being bright in near field vs real room makes no sense imho
@Llegando_Tarde
6 жыл бұрын
New subscriber here this is my 1st video 👌
@XtremeKremaTor
5 жыл бұрын
Acoustic foam behind back firing bass port wtf
@mitosiskain
6 жыл бұрын
The fuck do powered speakers have passive crossovers? They've made a board for the crossover so they could just as well have made a board for the much cheaper active crossover, which can do so much more. Or even make your own custom board for the speaker crossover and amps included. That would cut down on the price even more.
@joentell
6 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure if active crossovers are necessarily less expensive. Maybe taking R&D into account, it's possible that a simple 1st or second order passive crossover might be less expensive than an active one.
@mitosiskain
6 жыл бұрын
Joe N Tell honestly I don't get how these can be $90. I've constructed one, and it was a good deal of reseach, however the next set will just require driver measurements. How can I send them to you for review?
@amanieux
6 жыл бұрын
do you have a recommendation for best sound for $250 in a desktop configuration ? ( i know for this money i can get bs22+ sub+amp but not sure they are ok for near field setup thanks
@joentell
6 жыл бұрын
The Pioneer SP-BS22-LR's are too big for a desktop in my opinion. I think it really depends if you're using them mostly for music, gaming, movies or music production. I think these MK402's are good all around speakers. Save $150 and spend it on something else maybe. I would recommend spending it on a MiniDSP 2x4, a UMIK-1 calibrated mic and REW (free). That way, you can get some decent speakers to sound awesome based on your room, desk and listening position. I think you'll get better sound that way rather than buying more expensive speakers. It's more satisfying also since you know they are tailored to you. I've had a lot of different speakers on my desk. From the Micca MB42X's with an SMSL SA-50 amp and an 8" powered sub, Bowers & Wilkins 686 S2's, ELAC UB5's, M-Audio M40's and many other custom speakers. For me, near-field listening is different than listening from 8ft away or more. The main difference is that near-field, I don't need the speakers to play as loud. That means that smaller speakers with DSP correction (check out noaudiophile.com for corrections) is more than enough for me. Whenever you apply DSP correction, it always decreases the total loudness. That's bad if you have a big room and are listening from a distance and need to fill the room with the maximum amount of sound, but at a desk, it's less of an issue. Quality over quantity for computer speakers. Also, buy some of those foam pads to aim the speakers at your ears and decrease the vibration of the desk. It makes a big difference. Here are some links to the items I've recommended: Dayton MK402BT ($98) - bit.ly/mk402bt MiniDSP 2x4 ($107) - bit.ly/MiniDSP UMIK-1 Calibrated Mic ($106) - bit.ly/Umik-1 REW (Free) - bit.ly/RoomEQWizard Foam Isolation Pads ($15.99) - bit.ly/FoamIsolationPads About $76 over your budget, but I think you'll appreciate it. To start, just get the speakers and isolation pads. Get the MiniDSP and UMIK-1 later.
@amanieux
6 жыл бұрын
good idea but will the mic+rew+minidsp be useful for near field (typical 3 feet triangle) ?- i mean, isn't it close enough to avoid the room effects the dsp is supposed to cancel (with studio monitor that are built to be flat in a anechoic chamber) ?
@joentell
6 жыл бұрын
Perfect for that setup
@amanieux
6 жыл бұрын
thanks for the advice, i never thought $100 speaker+$200 for sound correction could be better overall than $300 speaker for a near field desktop setup. would you recommend noaudiophile equalizer set for the mk402 (noaudiophile.com/DSP_Corrections/Dayton_MK402.php ) and save the $100 mic or i'd better buy the mic to redo the equalization for my room that may be different from noaudiophile's room even in a near field 3feet distance triangle setup ?)
@amanieux
6 жыл бұрын
will this minidsp allow for dynamic equalization ? ( like boost bass and trebble at low volume but not (or differently) at high volume like audyssey dynamic-eq does ?
@Alex-dn5hi
4 жыл бұрын
Do you even EQ bro?
@joentell
4 жыл бұрын
I'm EQ'n!
@jamilruss324
5 жыл бұрын
I hate when people do a review and don't let u hear the sound quality
@joentell
5 жыл бұрын
Well...too bad. I do it on 95% of my speaker reviews. Just not this one.
@rationalcapitalist
3 жыл бұрын
Can you REALLY tell the SQ when you are hearing them on KZitem through the creator's mic and your own speakers anyway?
@socksumi
6 жыл бұрын
Not sure why you rate smallness in size in a numerical rating of quailty. That is a purely subjective preference. What if I want a speaker not for a desk? What if I want to put them on a shelf, or bench, or stands? Personally I prefer big speakers for aesthetic and sound reasons... which means for some of us bigness becomes a standard of quality. I suggest you just leave size out of the picture because it is entirely too subjective.
@joentell
6 жыл бұрын
I use a weighted rating system where I make my personal biases obvious by showing their relative weight. It is useful because as you said, what's important or good to me might be different for you. If small sized speakers have no weight for you, then my attempt at being objective about how they fit into my subjective opinion wouldn't matter. If there are things that are similarly important to you and I, then maybe just take those things into account. I've stated in other videos that I purposely do a weighted rating system so I am up-front with my personal biases so viewers could better judge for themselves.
@timschutte8310
5 жыл бұрын
socksumi , bigness as you put it is NOT a standard of quality as you said in your comment. some of the best speakers made are of a smaller design. JBL, Klipsch, SVS, Polk, KEF, MICCA, Elac, Ect. unless I'm using a specific speaker for my front main speakers then I prefer a smaller speaker.
@joentell
5 жыл бұрын
Plus, these are designed more for a desk, so footprint matters.
@glasserallen
4 жыл бұрын
You don't like doing sound tests very much on your speaker reviews!
@joentell
4 жыл бұрын
I used to more often when I had my studio space because I could get it quiet enough. At home with kids it's a bit tougher. I plan on doing more.
@glasserallen
6 жыл бұрын
A sound test would have been nice????????????????
@joentell
6 жыл бұрын
I didn't have the right equipment before. I do now. I might revisit these in the future
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