Great story. Most of us are well familiar with P-51's shooting down ME-262's and a Hawker Sea Fury shooting down a Mig-15 and of course Mig-17's shooting down F-105's and F-4's but I had no idea an F-86 ever shot down a Mig-21 . Thanks for mining out this information!
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment! It is kinda fun when an underdog wins :)
@jasonshuster4748
3 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 and of course when F-105's shoot down Mig-17's
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
@@jasonshuster4748 Also a kind of an underdog wins scenario 😁
@donparker1823
3 жыл бұрын
@@jasonshuster4748 yes and for that matter A-1’s shooting down a Mig-17
@cactusjack1943
3 жыл бұрын
In a "low speed" fight (still blindingly fast by WW2 standards) the 105 and F4 are at a disadvantage to a dedicated air fighter that has superior low speed capability. Also, the Mark 6 Saber had 50% more thrust and leading edge slats that made it twice the platform the original F86 was. Still, it was the Mig pilot's error getting in trapped in a turning fight with the far more maneuverable Mark 6. He should have run after he missed his initial attack.
@enzoflyer7522
3 жыл бұрын
It's very interesting when an older airplane can confront a newer one and win.
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's cool when an 'unfair' fight ends unexpectedly. Ooops, spoiler :)
@barriereid9244
3 жыл бұрын
Recently Scotland was buzzed by a Russian TU -124 Bear Maritime Reconnaissance aircraft and the RAF in their Typhoons could not fly slow enough to escort them!
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
@@barriereid9244 Imagine that problem, maybe they should use Tucanos for the Bears 😁
@brianjob3018
3 жыл бұрын
@@barriereid9244 The Bear is a TU-95.
@debayanhalder7858
3 жыл бұрын
Just Like How IAF MIG-21 Downed a F-16 of PAF
@StreetBobber
3 жыл бұрын
Nice video as always. And yes this loss of a MiG-21 in air to air combat on 17 Dec 1971 over Pasrur in Pakistan is confirmed by IAF records. The pilot was Flight Lieutenant Tejwant Singh who ejected and was a POW till his repatriation in Nov 1972.
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that!
@StreetBobber
3 жыл бұрын
@IC1101 Sure. My mom's uncle was flight leader... Roy Massey.
@GARUDA321
2 жыл бұрын
Also read abou how pekistan surrendered with 93000 troops and about pilot Parvaiz Mehdi Qureshi's plane was shot down in 1971. He was saved by an Indian captain & was PoW in India
@_hunterz_
2 жыл бұрын
One Mig21 cost 1 fantastic tea
@StreetBobber
2 жыл бұрын
@@_hunterz_ Which is why we are celebrating 50 years of Bangladesh's independence. We are also proud of how PAF contributed in you losing all your wars. 😝
@F22raptor46
3 жыл бұрын
Here's an interesting fact, both the Pakistani Sabre Pilot and the Indian Mig-21 pilot who got shot down were classmates in the US during the 60s when both the PAF and IAF would send their student pilots there to train, and they had both flown F-86s!
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
That is interesting. A very rare thing in the Cold War.
@dragonstormdipro1013
3 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 Actually it was extremely common for the Indians and Pakistanis.
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
@@dragonstormdipro1013 Sure, I meant compared to other conflicts. Can you imagine Israelis and Arabs being trained together? :)
@dragonstormdipro1013
3 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 India and Pakistan has very weird relationship lol :D
@Ghost0fPakistan
3 жыл бұрын
Wait wasn't india a close ally to the ussr at that time? They would've sent pilots to france and the uk but for the US it's doubtful
@fload46d
2 жыл бұрын
The F 86 has to be one of the most classic designs in jet fighters.
@cactusjack1943
3 жыл бұрын
Couple of things. The Sabers were the Canadair Mark 6 bought from Canada which retired the aircraft in the early 60s. They had 50% more thrust than early 50s Saber and had leading edge slats with no wing fences as shown in your video. When the Mig 21 lost its speed advantage it put the Saber into a position of strength because the Mark 6 was possibly the best air fighter in the classic sense ever produced. The Mig could not turn with the Saber at all. Canada retired the F86 because the introduction of the afterburner made it obsolete as an interceptor which is essentially what the Mig 21 was and, amazingly, still is. The Mig should have run away after it missed its first pass but it chose to fight a fight where the Mark 6 had the "low speed" advantage.
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the details. As for the difference in the type used here, there's just one model available in DCS World. Trying to be 100% historically accurate would be almost impossible.
@cactusjack1943
3 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 I understand. The air fighting ability of the last generation of Sabers was legendary which no doubt allowed the Saber pilot to get behind the Mig. Afterburner technology changed the game and tactics forever which despite its superior maneuverability made the Saber obsolete.
@eugeneoreilly9356
3 жыл бұрын
Would agree.That was a tactic that the MIG 21 used in Vietnam which worked.Hit and run.
@cactusjack1943
3 жыл бұрын
@@eugeneoreilly9356 it's the dominant form of air engagement now. A well trained fighter pilot will be taught air fighting it but likely never use it.
@nedee1111
3 жыл бұрын
Pakistan bought 90 ex Luftwaffe Orenda engined sabres via Iran as Pakistan was under an Arms embargo by the U.S .Needless to say that the U.S would have given a wink and a nod to the Shah of Iran to go ahead and do this deal with the Luftwaffe . These 90 Canadair sabres arrived just in time to be operational with the PAF during the 1971 war with India
@Stripedbottom
Жыл бұрын
Sabre shoots down a Mig-21... with gunfire! Impressive. Goes to show that it is the man and not the machine that makes the difference at the end of the day.
@showtime112
Жыл бұрын
True. I also think there was a bit of luck involved because the MiG had to be placed a certain way to enable the hit. It took me quite a few attempts to get it right while doing this video :)
@alexandermakrianis
3 жыл бұрын
Wow, an F-86 shot down a Mig-21! Masood (forgive me if I spelled his name wrong) was one heck of a fighter pilot!
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
I found it spelled Maqsood. He did pull a really good barrel roll but he was helped by the fact that the MiG wingman was probably inexperienced and didn't react properly. But then again, most shootdowns happen because the victim failed to do something.
@jsprite123
3 жыл бұрын
Either that or the other guy wasn't that great of a pilot. I doubt a Russian pilot piloting that MIG would had been shot down...
@alexandermakrianis
3 жыл бұрын
@@jsprite123 yeah, you're most likely right about that.
@ashtonbailey3970
2 жыл бұрын
They were other MiG 21 shot down by Sabres in both the 1965 & 1971 war. In1965, MiG loses were well over 25. It's because at low speed & altitudes, the Sabre performs better then the Hunter & Mig You can go all this info from the IAF website
@PSK0456
2 жыл бұрын
@@ashtonbailey3970 why don't you post the link here of the IAF link where that data is available.
@arthurdirindinjr1792
5 ай бұрын
Wild that 6 .50 caliber heavy machine guns firing a combined 3600rpm can still be devastatingly effective in an era dominated by 20, 30, 37, and 57mm cannons
@showtime112
5 ай бұрын
True, they could still work. Interestingly, there was a cannon armed Sabre and it was actually sent to Korea late in the war. There will be a video about that someday.
@alinaumankhantareen8626
3 жыл бұрын
Actually the date was 17 december 1971, one day after the official end of the war and PAF pilot Maqsood Amir flying his F-86 shot down an IAF Mig-21 flown by Fl Lt Tejwant Singh
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
That's correct. I only noticed the mistake after uploading.
@mohammadmehmood1101
Жыл бұрын
On 16 December the war was ended on eastern border not on western border, The war on western border ended few days after 16 December
@sandeep_reddy22
Жыл бұрын
Yeah and pak surrender with 93000 after the genocide of local Bengali ppl...thanks iaf for liberating a democracy from islamic fundamentalism..which is also military dictatorship.
@Blackbirdz2000
6 ай бұрын
@@sandeep_reddy22 whats the point? soon IAF is gonna be defeated again as usual.
@muneebtahir9810
4 ай бұрын
@@sandeep_reddy22, Says a citizen from a HindutvaN@zi Hindu Rashtra whose ancestors lived under the thumb of their betters for 1,000 years, as accepted by Sri Surrender Mozi Zee in front of the Lal Fort in his 15th August 2023 address. In 48 liberated 1/3rd of Kashmir from the Hindu Rashtra, in 65 took land in Rann of Kutch after utter defeat forcing Hindu Rashtra to run to UNSC, in 71 took Chamb in the Western sector, in 99 took vital peaks (that are still retained) in the Kargil sector from the HIndu rashtra. All this while being 4 times smaller than the HindutvaN@zi Hindu rashtra. The only time Hindu Rashtra prevailed was when Pakistan was mired in a civil war in a territory 1,000 kms away from West Pakistan where the majority (Bengalis were the largest ethnic group of united Pakistan) was up against a minority (all West Pakistanis combined were less in number in census records than the East Pakistan population). Against peer China, Hindu Rashtra gave away a territory the size of Switzerland (Aksai Chin) to China, and the entire war was fought on Indian territory, with China unilaterally withdrawing forces, facing literally no opposition in the 1962 war. In contrast, the 4 times smaller Pakistan has always taken the war to the territory of Hindu Rashtra in the process, capturing hundreds of square miles in each war fought.
@umarhashim1111
2 жыл бұрын
'Flt Lt Tejwant Singh had ironically gone down to the Sabre, an aircraft that he had himself trained on during the Combat Crew Training Course done in USA in 1964. His friendship with some of the PAF pilots during the course may also have been instructive in some ways, for to ‘know thy enemy’ is a familiar dictum of warfare. The superior performance of the MiG-21, versus the Sabre, was another factor of consequence in the dogfight. In the final analysis, however, it is the man behind the gun that makes the difference.' Great Air Battles of Pakistan Air Force by Air Cdre Kaiser Tufail
@thelostlondoner3344
2 жыл бұрын
Sabare were alwaya superior
@umarhashim1111
2 жыл бұрын
@@thelostlondoner3344 vs a mig-21??? Lol
@TheFlanker488
2 жыл бұрын
MIG 21s are faster than sabres and these jets have sill the power to chase an F 16 But now these migs are considered as the pilot killer , it even has a nickname "THE FLYING COFFIN" I don't know why these are still being used in our Air force Even MIG 27s are retired from Air force but MIG 21s are not
@parmmohan4603
2 жыл бұрын
Top Gun: It’s not the plane, it’s the pilot. Pilot in the Box
@shahidmehmood7944
10 ай бұрын
True, well said.
@GriMo20
2 жыл бұрын
My Grandfather( Dadaji) was In East Pakistan( currently Bangladesh) In 1971 war. He was 19 Years old At That time. He was an IAF Wing Commander. He Told me everything about the war and how they fought.. I am Proud To be an Indian And a part Of a Wing Commanders Grandson.. JAI HIND..
@theopot5798
Жыл бұрын
the mig pilot was like : come on I just sit and wait for you to shot me down..
@showtime112
Жыл бұрын
You are assuming that he knows he is being targeted. In a plane with terrible rear visibility.
@theopot5798
Жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 still that was lame , 2 vs 1 and still did not shot a down a Sabre
@iamsalngo81
2 жыл бұрын
To be noted in 1965 india just recived migs from russia they were new and when pakistan did phatankot strike most of the migs were unused and got destroyed in indo 1965
@xe_midnight
3 жыл бұрын
To see the tales of my grandparents in action really gives a bold idea on how nerve racking 3rd gen dogfights looked like. I am from Bangladesh (previously East pakistan) and seeing a fight from our founding generation is really thrilling must say
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
Well, I'm glad you found the video interesting! Thanks for the comment!
@championmaterial5014
2 жыл бұрын
Love mukti baheni from Pakistan 😘
@oveidasinclair982
3 жыл бұрын
Six 50 cal's can sure light your ass up, I don't care what you're flying
@tahirusman5929
Жыл бұрын
F86.One of the best fighter a/c ever produced with the likes of the P5D Mustang….Served Pakistan well.
@box8brewing829
3 жыл бұрын
As always, great job Showtime112.
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment, I appreciate it!
@sepecat7609
3 жыл бұрын
To all people who are saying feeling bad for India, I just wanna say if don't know much than see the full details of 1971 war, how Pakistan surrendered with 93000 troops, remember losing a dogfight doesn't mean u won a war. Also to all Americans who are humilating India, why you went away with ur 7th fleet from Indian Ocean when you realised Soviet Ships were ready with nukes and missiles😂, lol Pakistan came to sink our aircraft carrier but they lost there submarine which was bought from USA.
@fawadgillani2304
3 жыл бұрын
Mr. Allan u intervene in our civil war,and benefited from our internal conflict. 93000 include a lot of civilans, further east pakistanies were 1000 km away from west pakistan, an area whr 99% people wre against pakistan.in this way even sri lankan army could even claim victory. And last PAF was in embargo from us. Whrre as ussr panted mig 21 factory in india in 1966.
@sepecat7609
3 жыл бұрын
@@fawadgillani2304 it's ur country's mistake for starting the war by attacking our airbases...
@nedee1111
3 жыл бұрын
Mr Allan your country was using regular forces against Pakistan in the East Pakistan since November 1971 , please research this for your knowledge .It's India which started the war .
@sepecat7609
3 жыл бұрын
@@nedee1111 Indians were helping mukti bahini, because a lot of people were coming from Bangladesh to India, have some shame on your army who has raped 400000 hindu women, and also check wikipedia that how the war started after all bombing 11 airbases in India by PAF
@muhammedayan3390
2 жыл бұрын
@@sepecat7609 have shame on yours in kashmir
@57slanecek
2 жыл бұрын
Můj překlad:Poslední den indicko-paksitanského konfliktu v roce 1971 odstartovala dvojice F-86 Sabres na misi CAP. Brzy je odhalily indické pozemní radary a dvojice MiGů-21 byla vyslána, aby je zachytila. Indické MiGy létající na velmi nízké úrovni dokázaly proklouznout pod pákistánskými Sabres a umístit se za nimi. Situace vypadala jako snadné zabití pro nadřazeného bojovníka a pákistánský velitel letu Flt Lt Maqsood Amir věděl, že nemůže uniknout. Jeho jedinou možností bylo bojovat. Toto je další reenactment z Indo-Pak války z roku 1971 s použitím DCS World jako platformy.
@uknaas
2 жыл бұрын
Good video. The MIG-21 (wingman) was shot at a high angle off (not straight and level). The cine (gun camera film) showed that clearly. Speaks highly of the PAF pilot (Flt Lt Maqsood Amir) and the A-4 gunsight of the F-86. Yes, Tejwant Singh had received training on the F-86 in USA with PAF pilots, but Flt Lt Maqsood was not one of them. He was trained in Pakistan.
@showtime112
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for commenting and providing extra info. It wasn't an easy shot and it took a few tries while making the video.
@brightpakistan5476
2 жыл бұрын
A very good kill by PAF. Although the mig 21 is superior Very good video 👍
@darkassassin4166
2 жыл бұрын
my guy sabre is much superior in speed and agility
@FlatDrifting265
Жыл бұрын
@@darkassassin4166 in speed what u talking about
@darkassassin4166
Жыл бұрын
@@FlatDrifting265 Uhm, when I say speed I wonder what it could mean, velocity
@FlatDrifting265
Жыл бұрын
@@darkassassin4166 the Sabre is subsonic at level flight while the mig 21 is supersonic I think it’s Mach 2
@codystout5353
2 жыл бұрын
My grandfather flew F-86 Sabres in Korea.
@showtime112
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Did he talk much about it?
@codystout5353
2 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 not really. When he was younger. Unfortunately he suffered from dementia
@ritterkreuzer1868
3 жыл бұрын
WOW,Battle of fighters of the two eras. This is very interesting The lower-speed has better maneuverability, with a smaller turning radius and using traditional dogfighting tactics and fires machine guns to shoot down more advanced fighters at close range.
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
Yup, it worked in this case. The Sabre pilot pulled out a good maneuver. He was probably quite lucky too, avoiding the missile and then having the second MiG in front of him.
@manzelli1981
3 жыл бұрын
Good decision making by the Sabre pilot, bad awareness by the MiG-21 wingman?
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
@@manzelli1981 Probably. In his defense, MiG-21 has a terrible rear visibility :)
@cactusjack1943
3 жыл бұрын
The Saber Mark 6 was also a far superior plane than the original F86. Still, the Mig pilot surrendered his speed advantage to the F86 pilot.
@ulisesvelez5846
2 жыл бұрын
the two contenders the f-86a-sabre of the pakitani air force. the other rival was mikoyan mig-21-fishbed of the indian air force. the f-86 was a victorious fighter.
@simulatedpilot3441
3 жыл бұрын
These videos should have more views than growling sidewinder. And what nub that Mig Pilot is. Never fly straight and level once engaged no no no.
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
GS is more of a gaming/entertainment channel. This is more of a history/documentary channel. It's logical that he has more views. A James Bond movie will always get more views than a documentary about real agents 😁 I think that the MiG-21 pilot was actually in a turn when he was hit. But that's proven to be extremely hard to reenact in DCS, AI behaves in a certain way. It was a combination of factors, including luck in my opinion.
@simulatedpilot3441
3 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 yeah I know what you mean brother, but still i'm speaking to the fact that I wish people kind of had a taste to learn about history. Because if you don't know your history you're damned to repeat it some wise man said.
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
@@simulatedpilot3441 Yup, the history is full of such examples 😁
@andrewmorke
3 жыл бұрын
I love the Sabre, but by 1971 it was a relic. Impressive kill if true.
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
Even relics can sometimes be effective :) I think it is true. And the Sabre pilot was a bit lucky too. I know because I had to try many times until I got it right 😁
@oveidasinclair982
3 жыл бұрын
I would take the Sabre in a low level turn and burn against a MIG 21 any day, the Sabre can out turn the MIG and six rapid firing 50 cals can tear anything a new asshole. The MIG's speed is the big advantage it had over the Sabre and apparently the inexperienced Indian pilot wasn't using it to his advantage, instead of fighting a MIG's fight, he was down low fighting a Sabre's fight and he lost.
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
@@oveidasinclair982 That sums it up nicely.
@omaramir1459
3 жыл бұрын
It is accurate. My dad was the pilot of the saber.
@asmitasinha6547
2 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 WHY ARE YOU SO FAVOURED TOWARDS THE PAKISTANIS😡😡😡😑. WHY U ARE NOT SHOWING INDIAN ACES LIKE NIRMAL JIT SINGH SEKHON
@Chleosl
3 жыл бұрын
war thunder match : Chad F-86 VS Mig-21 PFM
@H-cranky
2 жыл бұрын
according to war thunder matchmaking, you actually can have f86 Vs MiG 21. but the MiG pilots are idiots and try to turnfight the sabres
@mrxyz8366
2 жыл бұрын
Pakistan is popular for backstab but india is famous for front stab!
@user-py2kn5lt1d
2 жыл бұрын
Lol delusional Indian, brainwashed into thinking bollywood is real life lol..
@mrxyz8366
2 жыл бұрын
@@user-py2kn5lt1d Do you know illiterate YT what does delusional stand for? well i am not like you who use the google translater for reply,go kid improve your grammer first country's economy is so poor well try to improve it bro."Lollywood" lol what a sucking name.:D
@MrOlgrumpy
2 жыл бұрын
I liked the entire video,the early morning light across the airbase was very well done,👍
@showtime112
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! It's one of the tricks that content creators use, low sun gives a much better impression 😁
@ivanjalaluddin4458
3 жыл бұрын
Good depiction and balanced source based commentary. I believe the pilot of the Mig 21 shot down was Flt. Lt. Tejwant Singh…and I think the date of this engagement is the 17th of December….just before the ceasefire in the Indian western sector.On the 16th the Pakistan Army in the Indian Eastern sector (now Bangladesh) had surrendered unconditionally.
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. You are right about the date, this happened on 17th. I only noticed that after uploading the video.
@xray86delta
8 ай бұрын
A Sabre gun kill agianst a Mig 21! I never would have imagined it possible! Lol
@showtime112
8 ай бұрын
Under right circumstances, aircraft from older generations can shoot down more recent (and much faster) ones. MiG-17s shot down plenty of F-105s and Phantoms for example.
@rawdyrider
Жыл бұрын
Good ol F86 Sabre.Used to great effect by the Paf to knock IAF to its senses.Also used to good effect against IAF airfields with daring daytime raids on Halwara and Pathankot airfields amongst others….
@ThePilot4ever
3 жыл бұрын
I like this new format 1+
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Do you mean shorter videos?
@ThePilot4ever
3 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 Sorry I meant more stories and explanations during combat instead of saying everything at before and after, it worked for me
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
@@ThePilot4ever Oh yeah. I wasn't really planned but now that you mention it, it does seem better :)
@darkassassin4166
2 жыл бұрын
awsome job, being an indian supporter it hurts, but we note that you are not biased as i've noted you recent videos are becoming towards india as well, furthermore ignore people who say biased, they get blinded by 1 aerial battle which was insignificant as fizziuck. good job keep goin
@showtime112
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this feedback! I'm glad to see there are people who think like that. There are indeed many from both India and Pakistan who are very passionate, and not in a good way 😁
@madzen112
Жыл бұрын
Great content, simply made
@showtime112
Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@josipkova5402
2 жыл бұрын
Svaka čast majstore !!! Odličan video. Ovo mi je tako dobro, da jednostavno imam osjećaj kao da gledam neki visokobudžetni film. Nevjerojatno. Svaki put se impresioniram kad ovo vidim. A gledao sam da taj DCS nije ni lako naučit, rećemo, igrat. Kao da imaš "manual" za upravljanje avionom od 500 stranica...preteško jednostavno. Baš me zanima što imaš od opreme, ovo su ipak 2K videozapisi...odnosno ne znam dal je ovaj ali ovo što sam gledao su većinom bili. Želim ti sve najbolje za Božić, i da dođeš pa evo već ove nove godine do milijun subova jel mislim da si zaslužio. Ovakav kontent (sadržaj) rad, trud i sve ovo istraživanje uklopit u jedan video...nemam komentara...nadam se da se ostala publika slaže sa mnom (iako je malo ovo prenaglašeno za neke, ali s pravom naglašeno) Pozdrav😃
@showtime112
2 жыл бұрын
Puno hvala na ovako pozitivnom komentaru. Točno je da je DCS zahtjevan ali kad se ufuraš, postane način života 😁. Od opreme imam jednu osrednjuPC konfiguraciju, Thrustmaster HOTAS i Delanclip head tracker. Malo-pomalo to poboljšavam i drugi DCS kanali imaju jedno 4-5 puta skuplju opremu od mene, ali mi iz ovih krajeva smo svi majstori za izvlačenje dobrih rezultata iz skromne opreme 😁😁😁
@peterkirgan6850
3 жыл бұрын
I flew the ca27 sabre out off raaf Williamtown nsw Australia before graduation onto the mirage 3 both great aircraft !!!
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
You flew Sabre and Mirage III? Lucky! Perhaps you could contact Mike Young from Aircrew Interview and share some of your experience?
@LockOnNow
3 жыл бұрын
Damn it you flew the Mirage IIIO 🇦🇺my favourit Fighter Jet 🛩 The Brigitte Bardot of the 60ths when it comes to Fighter Jets.😉
@mattwright1101
2 жыл бұрын
Great video
@showtime112
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you again!
@theguy1.090
2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact during the indo pak war of 1965 the F86 sabres of Pakistan shot down 9 hunter aircraft, 4 vampires and 2 gnat of the indian airforce and were successful in attacking aircraft on the ground which resulted in 36 indian aircraft being destroyed on the ground alone.MM alam a pakistani ace flying his sabre sshot down 5 indian shot down 5 indian jets in a minute. And during the 1971 war Pakistan shot down 31 indian aircraft in air to air combat these included 17 hawker hunters, 8 sukhoi su 7 ,1 mig 21 and 2 gnat despite being outnumbered in east Pakistan where there was only 1 Pakistan squardon compared to the nealry the entire indian airforce. The most interesting battle was the battle of boyra where 2 pakistani sabres faced 4 indian mig 21. The PAF were abled to shoot down 1 mig 21 and losing none of its own despite Pakistan losing the 1971 war because of the complexity of the war for Pakistan the sabres performed really really well .
@showtime112
2 жыл бұрын
Plenty of interesting things going on during the 1971 war. If there were more airplanes from it available in DCS, there would be more reenactments.
@justanormalgermanboy9269
3 жыл бұрын
Wow in war Thunder that K 13 would have lost track before I could even launch it, that’s why dcs is better. Great video
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your comment and sharing the WT experience (which I don't have)!
@Ghost0fPakistan
3 жыл бұрын
A fellow war thunder sufferer. Noice
@fardinakbar8380
3 жыл бұрын
Can you make a video on great air Battles of indo pak 1965 & 1971 wars , in the eastern theatre it is said paf had only one fighter squadron up against 12 iaf squadron...thanks mate !!!
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the suggestions. 1965. is a problem because there are no aircraft types in DCS flown by India in that conflict. 1971. is better, some types are there as mods or as high-fidelity modules. Hopefully, some types such as Hunter or Canberra become available in the future. This will give more options.
@fardinakbar8380
3 жыл бұрын
I really don't know i go crazy when i see aircrafts and fighter jets since my childhood, maybe it came in my blood since my father was a pilot who passed away due to covid on April 27th this year , anyways bro just wanted to know wat is dcs, as far as my understanding is it high quality animation .
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
@@fardinakbar8380 DCS World is a flying simulation. The most realistic one that focuses on military aircraft. You can play the basic package for free (two airplanes and two maps). Other aircraft. maps and campaigns can be bought but there's a two week free trial for them too. This is their web site: www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/
@apoorvchauhan6258
2 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 also, make something on Carrier ops done by India in 1971 over East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) Also, theres an incident where 2 MiG-21 along with Hawker Hunter attacked Dhaka Airstrip and after effectively disabling the airstrip Migs performed a loop over the airbase to give Pakistanis a show The loop was done by IAF Air Commodore SS "Bundal" Tyagi, you can even listen to him on 'The Fighter Pilot Podcast' on Mig-21
@showtime112
2 жыл бұрын
@@apoorvchauhan6258 Hunter is not available. It might be someday which will give me a lot more options. I actually listened to the Fighter Pilot Podcast episode but I should probably listen again for the details of that raid.
@ulisesvelez5846
2 жыл бұрын
this fighter the ak f-86f was old at the time of 1965 war but was very good armed six(0.50) machine guns in the fuselage of this aircraft.
@syediraza1674
2 жыл бұрын
Really interesting
@showtime112
2 жыл бұрын
Glad you think so!
@PappaBear_yt
3 жыл бұрын
Great video, once again! 👍🏻 😎
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks a bunch! :)
@peterasp1968
3 жыл бұрын
A very nice simulation but may not have worked in real life. It would be the equivalent of a Heinkel He 51 taking on a Spitfire I and winning. Might happen once in unique circumstances but cannot be relied upon to happen normally. The usual opponent of the F-86 was either the Folland Gnat or the Hawker Hunter and at times in 1965 the Ouragan. And while the Gnat more than held its own against the larger jet, the Hunter being heavier and larger than the F-86 found it hard to win a turning dog fight. What helped the Hunter was its gun pack of 30mm cannon which could destroy a F-86 in short order. But by 1965 the F-86 was obsolescent and by 1971 it was obsolete and so it's higher losses can be justified.
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, this took several factors to 'click' together. I know because I had to repeat the scene many times until I got it right 😁 But an older aircraft can under right circumstances defeat a more modern one. A typical example might be Vietnamese use of MiG-17 against much more modern Phantoms and Thuds. There's also the story of an Iranian F-5 shooting down an Iraqi MiG-25. It was relatively slow because it was trying to shoot down a transport airplane.
@Naruto-kc8vz
2 жыл бұрын
Make a video on sqn. Leader A.B Devayya also who shot down F-104 with mystere 4 on 7 September 1965, which was later confirmed by John fricker.
@showtime112
2 жыл бұрын
That would be interesting but unfortunately, no Mysteres in DCS.
@shahidmehmood7944
10 ай бұрын
You are distorting the history F 104 downed mystere as hitting due to fast speed Devya has no time to eject and killed while F104 pilot Amjad Husain bailed out safely he requested the villager to buried Devya body which they did.
@oscarriquezes9650
3 жыл бұрын
The good old Sabre still could kill Migs.
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah. Although there was a bit of luck here. It took me quite a few tries to get it right 😉
@bharatarun7608
3 жыл бұрын
That mig 21 killed a F16
@user-oi5bj7jg3z
3 жыл бұрын
@@bharatarun7608 that is just a legend
@TonnyH21
3 жыл бұрын
@@user-oi5bj7jg3z nah, maybe it's true but it's the newer mig 21
@A_Shanto
3 жыл бұрын
@@bharatarun7608 there no much evidence of this
@wage2412
3 жыл бұрын
It would be awesome if u could recreate the pathankot mission of 65 some of the Indians new 21 were destroyed and overall a lot havoc on base it would be awesome if u could 🙏
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
1965. is not easy to do because we don't have any of the aircraft flown by India in that conflict. Maybe if they get developed someday.
@AliAhmed-tm1jf
2 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 thanks
@silent_guy369
2 жыл бұрын
Love the Underdog
@retardmoguss
3 жыл бұрын
Of all the way a mig could go out, it is crazy to think that a sabre got behind the mig and gunned it down. Cool video, and I think I got a little more respect for the good ol' sabre. Edit- I am not saying that this video is fake or something. I am just appreciating the way the sabre came behind the bison.
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. Sabre could still be flown effectively but here, several things 'clicked' together. Took me quite a few tries to get it right :)
@aalianjaved9180
2 жыл бұрын
You are an Indian but still you respected PAF I really appreciate you
@retardmoguss
2 жыл бұрын
@@aalianjaved9180 I am not gonna lie tbh, I both find the IAF and PAF full of bs sometimes, that is why I always avoid taking a side and only appreciate the achievements of the pilots of both IAF and PAF.
@devashisdas5024
2 жыл бұрын
this was not a Bison. Bisons were introduced in the '80s decade. Probably an MF / FL version of MiG-21, which was available to export to India in late '60s decade.
@retardmoguss
2 жыл бұрын
@@devashisdas5024 its still pretty impressive if u consider the fact that a 50's sabre pulled up behind a supersonic and gunned it down. Remember sabres are completely subsonic
@shakeelkirmani4352
Жыл бұрын
Over a 50 MIG 21 lost by India in 1971 only in East Pakistan.
@umarhashim1111
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the upload. Had only read about this fight before. Now able to view it. Great work!!
@showtime112
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for commenting!
@TerminatorDir
2 жыл бұрын
after such action India tear pakistan into 2 parts, made new country Bangladesh, 90k+ soldiers surrendered to India within 15 days 😂
@ncscoobysnack
3 жыл бұрын
He opted for the barrelroll, aparently he watched hollywood movies :)
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
Maybe. But had battle this taken place after 1986. he would have opted to 'hit the brakes' 🤣🤣🤣
@ncscoobysnack
3 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 He'll fly right by, yes 😂
@yousufhasan4998
2 жыл бұрын
Check out M Kaiser Tufail's book "Great Battles of Pakistan Air Force" pages 128-129 which lists all the PAF air victories during the 1965 and 1971 wars. These records are confirmed kills cross-checked from Indian sources. So while most Pakistanis have grown up with the story of Squadron Leader M M Alam having shot down 5 Indian Hunters in one mission, the book sets the record straight that in fact 3 were shot down and the other 2 made it back to base. So yes indeed F/L Tejwant Singh was shot down and became POW.
@showtime112
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for adding these details. This seems like a very interesting book but I guess it's out of print and hard to find.
@ronaldwatson1951
3 жыл бұрын
I definitely enjoyed the video, but the graphics are awesome 👌. Good video and you're absolutely Right the pilot and knowledge of the strength and weaknesses of your opponent is Critical.
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment! Your support really helps!
@inlinx
2 жыл бұрын
the mig21 was 3x faster than the sabre.
@showtime112
2 жыл бұрын
Well, not exactly three times. Also, the top speed isn't always relevant.
@hernanmorales6649
3 жыл бұрын
¡¡Excelente!!.. ¡Es como si yo mismo hubiese estado "flotando" al lado de ellos! Congratulations Showtime112! Tienes buena información histórica.. con fuentes que obviamente las dan restringidas por ser muchas veces "confidencial" por la guerra y también porque solo la da el Ganador de la batalla y no el perdedor.. Saludos desde Lima-Perú 02/Set/2021... CONGRATULATIONS Showtime112!!!
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I'm glad you liked the video! One of the objectives is to make the viewer feel present in the action as much as possible!
@anirbandey2534
2 жыл бұрын
Guys who are suggesting that he is biased please stop it. He is just trying to present the facts to us. Being an Indian, yes it bothers me that he didnt make videos from our side, but he is doing a great job. If I am sure, IAF acquired MiGs very recently,maybe around 1964(I am not sure). If these are the facts,then lets accept them,we won the war,might have lost quite a few new and old aircrafts. maybe we were inferior in air combat, but won naval and ground. Chill. He is just recreating what happened. And the hate in comments is natural, US and UK sided with Pakistan most of the time. Chill.
@showtime112
2 жыл бұрын
Well, thanks for this comment and its general tone. I need to correct you a bit. There are two videos on this channel in which Indian MiG-21s shoot down Pakistani F-104s. Also, there's a video about the 2019. clash in which both stories were reenacted and I can assure you, there were many angry Pakistanis because I suggested that it was possible for Indian MiG-21 to shoot down a Pakistani F-16. I should probably organize playlists on the channel a little differently, do one about Indo-Pak wars. One of the problems with India is that there aren't many assets in DCS flown by India in those wars. There's basically just MiG-21. On Pakistani side, there's Sabre, MiG-19, F-16....
@anirbandey2534
2 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 yes I understand. I am yet to watch all the videos,so. Well from your side you are recreating certain historical battles,but people really need to chill. You aren't tampering the facts but presenting them as they are. Great work. Yes I would definitely love to watch your video on balakot strike response.
@showtime112
2 жыл бұрын
@@anirbandey2534 Thanks for the comment! I will certainly cover more aspects of the Indo-Pak wars as much as circumstances allow.
@priyankak5912
2 жыл бұрын
There were good dogfights all along 1971 till late December but the actual war was getting decided on land
@showtime112
2 жыл бұрын
As wars usually do. But the focus here is on aviation and tactical perspective.
@richardwolf8024
3 жыл бұрын
I recall reading a story, or something, about a F-86 shooting down a MiG-21. I don't recall where, or the details.
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
That was probably this one 😁 Thanks for commenting and watching!
@abramovich5751
2 жыл бұрын
Should make sqdn lder MM ALAM indoor plants that grow pak 1965 conflict of world RECORD incident REACMENT video as he is best n only ace of aces in subcontinent shot down 17 indian air force jet fighters in both wars n 9 iaf jets in 65 conflicts n 5 indian air force jets by his little dragon f86 sabre within a minute at sargodah air space in 07th Sept 1965 making a world record for
@Dhksksjjsjjs
3 жыл бұрын
After few days from this , Pakistan literally lost half their country!
@usmanqureshi08
3 жыл бұрын
Pakistan lost its colony not country
@Dhksksjjsjjs
3 жыл бұрын
@@usmanqureshi08 wth 😂 colony?! Is this what they teach you in Bikaristan?
@anubhavmalik2988
2 жыл бұрын
@@usmanqureshi08 east Pakistan. That's what pak lost. Humiliated and surrender. Broken into 2 parts
@championmaterial5014
2 жыл бұрын
@@anubhavmalik2988 Indian army nay khud tea pelai Pakistaniyo koo jail may😜😜😜😘😘😘😘🤓🤓🤭🤭🤭😁😁🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@genuinsanity
4 ай бұрын
Indian pilot screwed up... the old force overshoot trick.....the other MiG 21 could extend away...they were not designed for dog fighting but as high speed interceptor...they will wobble if not kept at high speed....Thanks for another great show\history lesson.
@showtime112
4 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching and commenting! I'm glad when people watch older videos.
@genuinsanity
4 ай бұрын
@@showtime112 I'm here to help ....thanks for your research and mad video producing skills...big fan of the channel !
@guydespatie6881
3 жыл бұрын
Well done Showtime 112! Keep up the good work!
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, sure will!
@jdsaldivar2109
3 жыл бұрын
82ND These cartoons are badass!! Subbed!!
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Keep watching!
@mattwright1101
2 жыл бұрын
Love the sabre and the mig 21👍👍👍👍🇵🇰🇵🇰
@showtime112
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment!
@mattwright1101
2 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 no problem
@sameerthakur720
2 жыл бұрын
The Sabre only had .50 cals. But it's Sidewinders more than made up for it.
@harrypotterxl9326
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent job,man!
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it, Harry 😊
@dano2760
3 жыл бұрын
it has croatian subtitles? noice, pozdrav buraz
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
Upravo tako 😁 Pozdrav i tebi!
@Odysseus17
2 жыл бұрын
Will you make a video on MM Alam's 5 Hawker Hunter kills within 1 minute while flying F86 Saber during the 65 War with India?
@showtime112
2 жыл бұрын
We don't have Hunters in DCS. If they get developed someday, it might be done.
@Odysseus17
2 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 Noted!! Thank you
@Odysseus17
2 жыл бұрын
@Mukesh Sharma Oh you mean dreams like shooting down an F16 with an invisible missile from a downed Mig or clouds blocking the radar coverage or maybe a machine making gold out of aalu? trust me mate I've had my fair share of dreams
@Odysseus17
2 жыл бұрын
@Mukesh Sharma no offense taken bcz it might be impossible for you (like many other things i.e having toilets for an instance) but for us it isn't and deep down you yourself know that if your military is really that capable as you're saying then you would have annexed all of Pakistan as of now, no? bcz I've heard this typical housewife bickering about annexing Pakistan from our eastern border from some time now. but its okay y'all can keep bringing up 71 war and relive that one golden moment your country ever had in its miserable existence because We learn from our mistakes and defeats also We don't manipulate the facts but you people OMG lmao. I'm just gonna end it here before it escalates and the author of this awesome page bans me cz of some pajeet.
@darkassassin4166
2 жыл бұрын
@@Odysseus17 Burning F-16 wreckage was heavenly
@ulisesvelez5846
2 жыл бұрын
the indo-pakistani war one paf f-86 shootdown of the mig,-21mf of the indian air force.
@bernardwills9674
9 ай бұрын
And I was sitting here thinking 'Can he get that MIG to overshoot?'
@rasanasarangi3772
3 жыл бұрын
Nice video as always show :) love from India
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I think you might like the next one even better 😁
@rasanasarangi3772
3 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 Ok waiting for the new video soon ;)
@IDiggSocialMedia
2 жыл бұрын
Bottom line, however, even though the F-86 Sabre is older and slower (subsonic) it is more tight turning and has a greater rate of role than a MiG-21!
@showtime112
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, many people just compare generations or only top speed and draw conclusions. But it's so much more than that.
@indraadi
2 жыл бұрын
The Indian pilot was indeed Tejwant Singh(Shorty),the leader was Sqn.Ldr.Shankar
@showtime112
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for confirming!
@umersultan2229
2 жыл бұрын
During 1965 war 4 F86 sabres bombed Halwara airbase and destroyed 8 Mig21 on ground. they couldn't get in the air to defend the airbase. apart from that whole base was destroyed and saw no action for rest of the war
@TerminatorDir
2 жыл бұрын
Yea and consequences ended in 1971 with broken pakistan 😂
@696pk
2 жыл бұрын
India had received shipment of 6 mig21 in crates in 1964. by 1965 only two had been operational... And were destroyed on ground at pathankot
@davidmccann9811
2 жыл бұрын
Anyone know what sidewinder mounts you would use on a Sabre model?
@dr.muhammadhanifkhalil1125
22 күн бұрын
Great story 😊
@prudhvi2354
2 жыл бұрын
Could you make Vedio about hf 24 marut made in India fighter jet 🙏
@showtime112
2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, there' s no Marut in DCS. If it gets developed, why not?
@prudhvi2354
2 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 hf 24 Marut participated in 1971 war as ground attack jet destroyed morethen 70 Pakistani Pattan tanks😂🤣
@Theyoungmonkof90s
2 жыл бұрын
@showtime112 you should make video on dog fight happened in East Pakistan sector. Some of the best best dogfights were fought over gauhati, Tejgaon, dhaka and hasimara.
@showtime112
2 жыл бұрын
I might if I find good descriptions. The main problem is lack of assets in DCS.
@usmanqasim7948
2 жыл бұрын
PAF pilots are awesome. 1 video on MM Alam 5 kill within a minute
@Torbert_
2 жыл бұрын
F-86 vs MiG-21 Thats war thunder matchmaking for ya
@showtime112
2 жыл бұрын
Maybe the War Thunder publisher was inspired by this event? 😁
@Torbert_
2 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 lol
@Fullaut0
2 жыл бұрын
Really like your videos. In your opinion, is the Indo Pakistani conflict one of those rare occasions where Soviet equipment has outperformed US equipment in aerial combat?
@showtime112
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!! There's no easy answer to that question because the situation was a bit more complex. Indians also used many Western aircraft and MiG-21s were available in much greater numbers than the F-104s. Pakistanis were also displaying some questionable tactics. Even if Soviet equipment performed well, it certainly wasn't just due to the equipment itself. But then again, you could say the same about the use of Western equipment in 1967 Arab-Israeli war.
@eternalgamer674
2 жыл бұрын
Actually it was quite the opposite. If you look at most impartial records of both the 65 and 71 wars you will find that the PAF had better kill ratio and bombing accuracy despite being heavily outnumbered.
@simko8665
2 жыл бұрын
You just cannot compare the F-86 to the Mig-21, maximum to the Mig-15 or Mig-17.
@showtime112
2 жыл бұрын
Well, you can't compare F-5 to F-14 but they still fought each other in Top Gun. The school, not the movie :)
@simko8665
2 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 When did it take place?
@IDiggSocialMedia
2 жыл бұрын
The 21 is faster, but the 86 is a better dogfight!
@eternalgamer674
2 жыл бұрын
It all comes down to the pilot's skill. And the PAF pilots hands down without doubt are better than their IAF counterparts. In both wars, even though they were heavily outnumbered by the IAF they managed to shoot down more aircraft and had better bombing accuracy. And they were grossly underestimated by the IAF as well.
@kallumama5464
2 жыл бұрын
Wrong
@eternalgamer674
2 жыл бұрын
@@kallumama5464 what
@devidattagiri5000
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent coverage boss
@showtime112
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@aadarshripstone
Жыл бұрын
We want our hero nirmaljeet sir story
@umarhashim1111
2 жыл бұрын
Please make a video on 1965 Pathankot Airstrike. It was a pre-emptive strike involving 8 F-86 Sabres destroying a dozen Indian Migs and Mysteres on ground. This is something similar to what Israel would do 2 years later in the 1967 Arab Israel war. If you want some relevant details, I can share with you
@showtime112
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the suggestion. That is an interesting topic for the future. Feel free to send sources that you have, I'll check them out.
@umarhashim1111
2 жыл бұрын
For some reason my comment not getting uploaded here. I think its due to the link reference. Have sent you on messenger instead.
@Koo_pootra
2 жыл бұрын
mig 21s are a one hit wonder, they aren't built for a sustained fight owing to thier tail delta shape but all I can say is that the Pakistani pilot got lucky
@showtime112
2 жыл бұрын
Everything clicked for him here, I agree. It took me quite a few attempts to get it right, I can tell you that.
@Koo_pootra
2 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 true & that's why being a mig 21 pilot is the most challenging job because you know you only have one shot. After that you'll need to flee as fast as possible.
@sriramramanathan5185
2 жыл бұрын
Surrender instrument of 1971 pls keep it on record which has not even happened in world war 1 or 2, but 90000 POWs
@showtime112
2 жыл бұрын
Not the focus here. It's about aviation and tactics, not strategy.
@foxtrotwhiskey874
2 жыл бұрын
90000/93000 this number the indians keep throwing on youtube and on their circus media channels, in-fact Pakistan Militaries total strength was in 1971 was 40-45000 including Army/Navy/ AF/Police in East Pakistan vs. couple of hundred thousand indians. that 90000 POW number included every civilian person of West Pakistan origin (non bangali). Its high time indians gather some shame and start stating the truth.
@sriramramanathan5185
2 жыл бұрын
Gracefully accept the defeat.
@swarajkar3086
2 жыл бұрын
Not really. WW2 saw much larger surrenders in both Eastern and Western fronts of Europe.
@swarajkar3086
2 жыл бұрын
@@foxtrotwhiskey874 Civilians were not made PoWs. Stop lying.
@lucianosoaresdasilva5694
3 жыл бұрын
Cool.
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Keep watching!
@savamomirovic4439
3 жыл бұрын
Odlično. Ne čudi me baš da je MiG-21 obaran od strane starijeg aviona.
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
Hvala! Događaju se takve stvari ponekad. Mislim da je ovdje bilo i dosta sreće. Iskreno, trebalo mi je dosta pokušaja i naštimavanja početnih udaljenosti dok nije ispalo kako treba 😁
@ivanjalaluddin4458
3 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to present a pictorial “de-brief” after the animation …. Showing the trajectories of the aircraft in 3 dimensions?
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
It could be done with Trackview. It's a software which records all the movement and action in simulations such as DCS. However, very often in these videos, it's not just one single battle but rather a combination of elements to mane them as close to the historical events. So the 3D presentation wouldn't necessarily be that useful.
@ivanjalaluddin4458
3 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 Thanks for sharing the information about the track view software. I agree that in a complex engagement with a lot of manoeuvring track view would not be very useful to clarify the significant tactical elements involved.However not all the engagements during the 65 and 71 wars involved prolonged manoeuvring or turns (perhaps a few scissors at most).The famous Boyra Gnat versus Sabre engagement in Nov 71 being one such case in point. Being an armchair air combat enthusiast… I would really like to be able to visualise the decisive manoeuvre in 3 dimensions to understand what happened.For instance in this engagement the Mig 21s appear to have started from a position of advantage….but subsequent to the missiles failure to hit …the wingman appears to have strayed into the lead Sabres kill zone.So tactically it would be interesting to see how that happened. The good thing is that a lot of the fighter pilots involved are still around….and it should be possible to re-create an accurate tactical picture for the historical record… now that the technology is available.
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
@@ivanjalaluddin4458 Generally, from what I can tell, air to air combat rarely lasts very long. And usually, the victim is not aware of the attack. In this particular case, MiG-21s had the advantage but their missile missed (they are not called missiles for nothing 😁). The Sabre pilot was aware of the situation and he pulled a high-g barrel roll. The MiG leader anticipated it and countered with an climbing maneuver. But the MiG wingman wasn't prepared so he didn't respond accordingly.
@JebacPresretac101
3 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 Climbing is not the correct maneuver unless the MIG is already at close to top speed, above 1000 kmph, then it is, horizontal or a dive if possible until 1000kph is. Something funny happened to that Mig21, he turned and burned to bellow 700 or so and then failed to afterburn to get away for some reason. That, or the Mark 6 is crazy fast subsonic if it has 50% more power than original f86s and caught the mig21 with his own afterburner. slats would slow it down in turns, probably weren't used if it was a simple and short high speed barrel roll. Edit: I should note, it's a correct manouver if you are behind the F86, definitely not if you are overshooting as these boys did.
@patrickcloutier6801
3 жыл бұрын
The Finns have used Soviet-designed aircraft - is there any record of them using the Soviet aircraft to chase foreign aircraft out of Finnish air space?
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
There are a couple of interviews with Finnish pilots on Aircrew Interview. I think they may have mentioned something like that but I don't recall the details.
@madzen112
Жыл бұрын
Btw, anyone knows why the MiG-21 had so poor rear view capability? What were the reasoning behind the design tradeoffs? After all, earlier MiGs had excellent view, so it can't be an oversight.
@showtime112
Жыл бұрын
I think that Russians fell in the same 'dogfight is dead' trap as the Americans did. Some versions of MiG-21 had no gun so maybe they didn't consider rear visibility to be as important anymore.
@madzen112
Жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 Sounds very likely
@muhammadimtiaz2781
2 жыл бұрын
HAQ KLMA A PAK. HAQ I HAVE SEEN MANY MANY DOG FIGHTS BETWEEN PAKISTANI & INDIAN WAR PLANES , P A F ABSOLUTELY ZBRDST ALLAHA PAK SLAMT RKHAY . ALLAHA Huma AMEEN. ( 1965 & 1971 ) G A G : P. A. F
@omaramir1459
3 жыл бұрын
The pilot of the F-86 is my dad.
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
This F-86?
@omaramir1459
3 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 yes. You got it right. He shot down tejwant Singh who survived. He visited him in the hospital whereupon tejwant told him: “I’ll get you in the next war.”
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
@@omaramir1459 Interesting. Is he still alive?
@omaramir1459
3 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 yes, he’d be happy to talk to you if you want a first hand account. He lives in California now.
@showtime112
3 жыл бұрын
@@omaramir1459 Well, I suppose you could ask him to watch the video. Although it's probably. quite different from what it was really like :)
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