It is interesting that Arena officially shows tucked cards face up to both players.
@fieldrequired283
Ай бұрын
Playing Arena is basically like having a judge with perfect knowledge of the rules and the game state watching over your table from start to finish. One of the major problems with tucking face up in tabletop is that players and judges can lose track of when and why things were placed where they were, and correspondingly (for example), one might also lose track of when the location of those face-up cards cease being publicly available information. Since Arena isn't going to miss such changes in what knowledge is knowable to all players, it also lacks the logistical burdens and risks associated with players trying to do the same. Arena is never going to forget to turn the card back face down before shuffling your library, for example.
@Muhahahahaz
Ай бұрын
Arena does things like this because otherwise everyone would inevitably be required to install 3rd party trackers for the same functionality (to remain competitive) I think it’s good that they preemptively leveled the playing field instead (You could also just take notes manually, but that’s slow and cumbersome… Which is exactly why someone would inevitably just write software to track it automatically)
@michaelsander2878
Ай бұрын
@@fieldrequired283 Except they really don't handle the taking shortcuts rule very well at all.
@retronymph
Ай бұрын
@@michaelsander2878Unfortunately true, but when the team had to push to implement Emrakul I kinda doubt they'll add shortcuts anytime soon, lol.
@fieldrequired283
Ай бұрын
@@michaelsander2878 Good thing nobody was talking about shortcuts, then. Stay on topic, champ.
@Nobody2989
Ай бұрын
I like to play with my deck split into 6 pieces then stacked on top of one another like a pyramid. This doesn't interrupt the game at all and actually makes the game easier to keep track because it illustrates my utter dominance and alpha-status to my opponent, causing them to misplay and cower in fear. You can't stop me
@miaschwartz1074
Ай бұрын
My favorite statement about missed triggers is always "but its not a may"🤣
@HeavyMetalMouse
Ай бұрын
In a friendly game, the concept of a missed trigger game up that was 'not a may'. While having a discussion about how we, as a group, wanted to handle this sort of thing going forward (because let's face it, it happens), I brought up the policy as a 'good starting point'; essentially: You are responsible for remembering your own triggers. If you forget them, it isn't anyone else's *responsibility* to remind you. That said, this is a friendly game, and if someone misses a trigger, the other players are entirely permitted to allow a retroactive resolution of a trigger, especially if it doesn't disrupt the game flow and was only missed by a short amount of time. However, it seemed like a good idea to agree on a 'default' way to resolve it in the case where there was any level of dispute over how long was too long, or how much disruption was too much, and that default method was similar to the Tourney Way, modified for multiplayer - If someone missed a trigger, and that trigger directly impacts one other player, that player gets to decide whether you can resolve the trigger late or not. If it effects multiple other players equally (or doesn't affect any other players directly) then those players may agree amongst themselves to allow or deny the trigger; if they cannot agree, then the first relevant player in APNAP order chooses. (The final 'someone has to pick' line at the end rarely ever gets used, as typically if multiple players must agree, they'll do a majority rule situation, or one will be able to convince the others of their position - friendly table, after all). Obviously, for a competitive table, you want a much more 'firm' resolution than this, so it makes sense to have a very clear method of resolution.
@miaschwartz1074
Ай бұрын
@@HeavyMetalMouse My favorite part of it is I have to explain it to a different person every time I run a competitive event that a. all triggers *can* be missed and b. Being a May means nothing The only time the word "may" actually matters is during FNM when things are held at regular and if it is a may and missed, it is assumed you chose not to
@lesternomo6578
Ай бұрын
@@miaschwartz1074 "it's not a may" is so funny bc in actual tournament magic the trigger is missed regardless of whether or not it was a may but people in my commander pods will take 30 minutes trying to recreate the gamestate just because someone missed a trigger that "isn't a may" 😭
@LibertyMonk
Ай бұрын
To be fair, like in many other scenarios, "it's not a may" used to mean something different by the rules than what it means with the current rules & policies.
@miserepoignee9594
Ай бұрын
@@LibertyMonk To be really fair, the rules haven't worked that way in over a decade, so I'm pretty sure the people who are still getting confused by it are the ones who have a background in some different TCG.
@gregthewalnut603
Ай бұрын
In my opinion, the location of approach of the second sun within the library is both shared information AND important for both players to track, so I’d argue it should be allowed for efficiency, especially since, at the basic level, it’s *not* actually disruptive to the game at all
@chrisneal6089
Ай бұрын
Maybe an issue is if you have to shuffle your library and forget to flip the Second Sun back over?
@camfunme
Ай бұрын
This is the same as Thoughtsieze though IMO. Both players can forget which cards have been seen by a Thoughtsieze, to their detriment. Either assuming the opponent doesn't know about a card they do know about, or forgetting a card the opponent has that you saw with a Thoughtsieze can happen. Similarly, both players could theoretically forget how many turns it has been, or how many cards have been drawn, since the Approach of the Second Sun was played. Having the card face up in their library means they don't have to keep track of or remember how many cards have been drawn, when arguably they should, as the library is hidden information.
@latinojackson9694
Ай бұрын
@@chrisneal6089but it's an easy catch since a face up card in the library is so blatantly not a face down card
@evilsheepmaster1744
Ай бұрын
I'd argue that, while it is important for both players to track the location of Approach, its more important for the opponent (since the owner of Approach will find it when they draw it) and failing to track its location and properly anticipate the second casting is a skill issue, so placing Approach face-up in the deck should be disallowed.
@gaelyte2550
Ай бұрын
@@latinojackson9694 You don't have a single memory of shuffling a deck with a wrong sided card in it and noticing it later ? I do, multiple time The big issue is that even unlikely, I don't know what you could do if after having shuffled your library, drawing few cards, everyone sees the second sun above the library. I feel like it's very different to revealing a card accidentally because this is a card you chose to put faceup and then accidentally left it. If the deck is reshuffled, that means that overall the chances of drawing the second sun are quite lowered, since it needs to be put on top twice
@justinwalker4037
Ай бұрын
I'm a stickler for the rules and will do my part in following them to the best of my ability. If it's in my library, put it face down. If the card says "place face down", it must be placed face down. Mentally keeping track of the game state is one of the skills of the game. If I forgot about approach being a looming threat, I deserve to lose to approach. If you just follow the rules, there is no need for this guessing game if something is allowed. All that being said, I'm pretty chill and will usually let others do whatever as long as I don't think they are trying to grind out an unfair advantage somehow.
@ab-mc2nq
25 күн бұрын
i;m mostly the same, but in casual commander games i will put publicly revealed cards on the top of my library face up, so as to reduce the mental load for the whole table
@MalevolentMantis
Ай бұрын
This came up in a tournament and is in regards to representing information differently. My opponent had a planeswalker that had a dice on it with the number 1. I attacked his planeswalker with a 1 power creature and then he claimed that the dice just represented the counters ABOVE the starting number I.E. 1 on his dice is 4 total loyalty because the planeswalker starts with 3 loyalty. The judge ruled in his favor.
@Muhahahahaz
Ай бұрын
That’s ridiculous… It’s not a creature with base P/T values to be modified. The “3” in the lower right represents the intrinsic ability “This permanent enters the battlefield with 3 loyalty counters on it” If they put it on the battlefield with no markers, then they are literally misrepresenting it as having zero loyalty counters 🤦 (At the very least, the judge should have simply rewound the game to the point just before your attack, which is where their lie affected your decisions)
@Aedi
Ай бұрын
Whilst theres no explicit rule stating how a player needs to show loyalty, theres absolutely a set of commonly used systems that can he reasonably assumed. A player using a different system that looks like the most common system poses many problems for clarity of information. So whilst I can't say for certain how I would rule in that situation, theres a lot of things to consider, like actually seeing how its represented (youre description cant give the same info as actually seeing it. was it one of those dice that have +1/+2/etc? thats more reasonable, for example), did you question it earlier, or show somehow that you understood what was happening? but lets assume everything looked basically the same as the normal "the number on the die is the amount of loyalty", and theres nothing to complicate it, it sounds like thats the case, but I wanted to be clear that theres things to consider before we get there. This woukd come under MTR 4.1, player communication. The number of loyalty counters on a planeswalker is free information, and must be provided correctly and without hinderance. The rules are clear there, Free ibformation needs to be freely given, you cant stop me knowing it, you cant hide or obscure it, and if I ask, you need to tell me honestly. And the IPG, section 3.7, applies a penalty when someone breaks these rules and their opponent makes a decision as a result, based on incorrect information. So the big question is if they broke the rule. You certainly acted on incorrect information, but if they earnestly believed they were being clear with how they represented the walkers loyalty, it can get more complicated. I would, from what you said, be inclined to allow a backup to before you made actions on incorrect information, I woukd likely ask the player to be clear about how they represent loyalty in future (or, worded more politely, to represent loyalty like a sane person), but if a penalty is due is harder. Is there any evidence that you knew about the weird way of showing loyalty? is there evidence that they knew you misunderstood? These are things to consider
@daltonmekis
Ай бұрын
While I haven’t gotten any official judging certifications, I have been judging events at my LGS for almost 5 years now. If I was the head judge, even at compREL, I think I would be ok with someone putting their Approach of the Second Sun face up in their library. The reason is that it’s known information to all players. Each player should have access to the information of exactly where the card is in the library. So for me, it doesn’t bother me that this public information remains public, rather than concealing it after the moment it is revealed
@fieldrequired283
Ай бұрын
The biggest objection I have to something like that is the fact that the deeper into your library a face up card is, the more likely it is to be missed or forgotten if the library gets shuffled or rearranged somehow, which can lead to a _big_ disruption in play when the mistake is discovered later on. Obviously this is a matter of personal judgement. I'm just explaining why it makes sense to me to disallow it. I'm just worried about adding an ongoing extralegal attention debt to a potentially distracting or complicated game state.
@daltonmekis
Ай бұрын
@@fieldrequired283 yeah obviously “well usually ppl” doesn’t really make for good rules so this argument I’m about to make isn’t great, but usually ppl will have the card stick out of their library so you can still see it face up. So it’s not like they tuck it in face up. So when they go to pick up their library, it seems pretty unlikely they wouldn’t notice the face up card sticking out. And even if they don’t and they manage to fully shuffle and cut without noticing, you can usually fix it once you notice it. Like just have them reshuffle since the library is supposed to be random anyways. It will be a new random compared to what it “should have” been, but we don’t know what the library should have been and it doesn’t matter if it’s random. The complications come in when you have scried come number of cards to the bottom or cast things like impulse. Then you need to know how many cards to keep at the bottom when you shuffle
@fieldrequired283
Ай бұрын
@@daltonmekis My objection is definitely one that won't come up super often, it's just a pretty serious hiccup under the circumstances that it does, and there are ways of representing the information that are less disruptive to play. You're definitely right in that it's probably fine most of the time. I just like to rely on a slightly more rigorous standard than "most of the time" for my interpretation of the rules. Again, a matter of personal taste. Whatever works for your play group.
@syrelian
Ай бұрын
Except there's a ton of ways that Approach's position can change, shuffling(crack a fetch land), scrying, etc, leaving it face up is both explicitly against rules as written, and engenders negative play patterns
@SwedeRacerDC
Ай бұрын
Great job as always Dave! I appreciate your judging style and understanding of the rules as it helps me and the game at large
@zeusalternative1270
Ай бұрын
I personally had left the top card of my library face up after revealing it as I explored bc it was public information and I just felt it was easier for my opponent (I also come from arena) if I were judging I would allow the Approach of the second sun only if the player understands that he will be in fault if he shuffles without turning it face down first.
@olly123451
Ай бұрын
Something that came up on a recent Friday Night Paper Fight hosted by the lovely LoadingReadyRun, one of the players played a “tap target creature and put a stun counter on it” To show this effect, the opponent turned the card 180* to show that when they untap, they then flip it to the normal tapped orientation, and then they untap normally from there on their next untap. This caused some confusion but a lot of people in Chat and the KZitem comments showed support for using this shorthand.
@DeaconTaylor
Ай бұрын
i do that too. started doing it back in the 'exert' days. if its more than one stun then i'll add a die on top.
@seandun7083
Ай бұрын
That's been a pretty common shorthand for cards like Frost Breath for a long time. You do need to be careful to track it there are multiple stun counters on it though.
@Joshua-gt7pz
Ай бұрын
I've started turning my cards all the way upside down for summoning sickness. I have a Momir deck, tutoring mana dorks gets VERY complicated.
@GreatWhiteElf
Ай бұрын
I've done this a couple times when I didn't have easy access to dice or counters. It's simple and intuitive for me assuming the creatures have only one stun counter
@midnalight6419
Ай бұрын
I have been using this idea since exert came out
@FinetalPies
Ай бұрын
For Approach I feel like using a d6 to count how many non-Approach cards are above it is even more information than just putting it in face-up (and would be ludicrous to disallow), so I feel fine with either way.
@DrewGross
Ай бұрын
When I'm putting a card into a specific place in my library, I usually put it in face down, at a 90 degree angle from the rest of the cards. Would this be something you allow?
@Sheer_Falacy
Ай бұрын
He'd disallow that for the exact same reason he disallows face up cards anywhere besides the top of the library.
@psymar
Ай бұрын
For Approach of the Second Sun, I think it'd be reasonable to suggest instead keeping track of its position with dice, maybe placing them on top of the library so you don't forget to update them!
@gaelyte2550
Ай бұрын
For the second sun, my main worry was that the action of putting the second sun face down before reshuffling the deck for some reason could easily be forgotten if it's a bit deep, and that would have really annoying implications down the line if no one catches it at that point. Using dices to keep track of how many cards are left before second sun would probably be better ?
@sapphosfriend9558
Ай бұрын
I'd have the same worry about someone forgetting. I don't think that dice are great here either, since you have to remember to change them every turn. I think they should turn the approach sideways.
@gaelyte2550
Ай бұрын
@@sapphosfriend9558 idk, I fear for the stability of the deck with a sideways card. Also, the dice approach has the advantage of following the rules
@ave_maria323
28 күн бұрын
I think there should be an emblem for things like 2nd sun tbf.
@FAWNTHEMELON
Ай бұрын
As always Great video and explanation Mr man
@william4996
Ай бұрын
I think that because the chance to shuffle the card into the deck accidentally is decent. Other people are saying a dice would be a good option and I agree.
@ArtFord
Ай бұрын
Here's the problem I have with some of the thinking behind the face up morph cards and the face up second sun: The game has rules about public information being always available to players at any point in time (deck size, cards in hand, cards face up in exile, revealed cards, et alia) The morphed cards are in a face down hidden state where the controller can choose to look at them, but does not have a passive option to do so, and the second sun is a revealed card, which means there is no active requirement to interact with the public card information. As such, anyone who asks how many cards down the sun is has to be answered correctly, or a judge or third party has to retrieve the information. As such, to keep the game in line with the rules of play, you would need to have the second sun either revealed by being face up, or having some other denominator to show where it is, until some game action changes known cards into random/hidden cards, like a scry or a shuffle effect.
@Roll-Penut
Ай бұрын
I think for the approach, I'd suggest they use a d6 instead to keep track of the cards above it
@lanmarknetworking3034
Ай бұрын
Aethertow your blocking companion in response to your fetchland?
@evandurham8908
Ай бұрын
I know that at most of the groups I've played with, most people are fine with having your commander in a different sleeve, since everyone has to know where each opponent's commander is, and for Lessons grabbed from outside the game. Now as for the morph bit, my reaction is a bit visceral, as the mechanic explicitly states face-down. Similarly, with Approach of the Second Sun or similar effects, it is the responsibility of everyone at the table to remember where it is if they care about it. Maybe put it in face-up if and only if you're teaching new players how the game works, where you want things to be more clear. This game is complicated, sure, but if you've been playing awhile you should be able to handle this.
@Those_Weirdos
Ай бұрын
5:45 It's also important to keep consistent sleeves since those cards can in some instances become hidden information - Such as being shuffled into the library, or placed into it through other effects. You might want your commander to go to the top of your library when such an effect resolves, instead of into the command zone, so yoiu can draw it and cast it for its normal casting cost. And then your opponent may get an opportunity to make you shuffle your deck somehow (or you just mess up and crack a fetch).
@cool_scatter
Ай бұрын
Thought of a scenario at Bloomburrow prerelease that I was wondering how it might be ruled. Amy attacks with Moonrise Cleric but misses the lifegain trigger. On her second main, she notices it, Nick offers to have her gain it but she concedes that she missed it so she doesn't gain the life. She controls Lunar Convocation and goes to her end step, saying that it should trigger because she "should" have gained life this turn, and it was noticed before the end step. Nick argues that because she didn't actually gain the life, he doesn't get pinged. She asks to take his offer to resolve the lifegain trigger but Nick says no and that he wouldn't have offered if he noticed the Lunar Convocation. Let's say Nick is at 1 life too so this trigger matters a lot. What's the ruling?
@Mattwae
Ай бұрын
After reading through the missed trigger rules. Nick has the right to deny missed triggers like Moonrise Cleric's. And since the trigger of Lunar convocation is "gain life" and no life has been gained, it won't trigger.
@Lopsidationy
Ай бұрын
At Competitive, Nick has the right to deny the trigger. At Regular, e.g. the prerelease, Amy gets the trigger.
@giantpizzafish
Ай бұрын
I would think that allowing second sun to be face up would be ok because it mostly helps the opponent. But you would need to flip it if the library was shuffled of course.
@BDtetra
Күн бұрын
Similar thing, I know people use to play Necropotence on top of their deck in order to remember to not accidentally draw cards, would that be illegal provided its made clear that you are doing this or does it have to be something like a die? Obviously if you are hiding top of deck cards against something like Lantern it is a problem, but if that isnt the case would it still be a problem to have an Enchantment on the top of your deck?
@redstonepro5412
Ай бұрын
having a wishboard elixir of imortality in a different sleeve would certainly be an "interesting" choice
@almogdov
Ай бұрын
Hi Dave, got an interesting question for you. With the new gift mechanic it is possible to force someone to draw his entire deck with Starfall Invocation and Dualcaster Mage. In a multiplayer game, once the gifted player loses, can you continue the loop (lets assume you have other effects in play that benefits from it)? The opponent you originally chose is no longer in the game, is he still a valid choice? Are you forced to stop the loop? Can you change the choice even though copying a gift spell retains the original choice? Edit: after more thought, the mechanic isn't defined to a normal case of copying a gift spell when you are the receiver, you choose the receiver on cast, and you don't usually cast a copy, but you aren't your own opponent so how can that work? There are two decisions here to copy, if there's a gift and who to, if you can't copy both decisions, then how does it work? I believe this is the first time this can happen and it's not fully defined by wizards how to handle it.
@fhortedakwhil2904
Ай бұрын
Looks like it only cares about promising the gift, not them receiving it, so until the point they’re out of the game you could stack it up by promising them everything for the bonus effects. However once theyve lost and are out of the game they aren’t a valid choice for anything It looks like you would be unable to change the choice, as its not a target, but the now nonexistent player would still be ‘promised’ a gift
@itachiuchiha329
Ай бұрын
So the gift is an additional cost for the spell as you cast it so it will be remembered when you copy it. However, you won’t be able to choose a different player for the copies. Once that player draws their entire deck plus one and lose. If you copy the spell again you aren’t able to gift that player because they are gone so you cant return duelcaster mage. Thats what I believe will happen. A cool side note is gift doesn’t target so you can get around opponents that have hexproof or even deck someone that cast teferis protection!
@nickGarbers-zq2er
Ай бұрын
something smells... does dualcaster mage see the card that is reanimating it?
@almogdov
Ай бұрын
@@nickGarbers-zq2er no, the trick here is to flash the mage in response to the wrath and copy it. The copy will kill it and you can return it to copy the original again and again. Need 8 mana but it works
@almogdov
Ай бұрын
@@itachiuchiha329 that's what is unclear, if you gift to someone who isn't in play anymore, was the gift still promised for the effect of the card. There is nothing in the release notes for this situation
@RealTal.
Ай бұрын
800 tomorrow woo
@hmwd2151
Ай бұрын
If someone was playing a deck like pioneer lotus field with a wishboard for approach of the second sun would you allow them to play with it in a separate sleeve? In that instance the card will regularly be ending up in their library, but by the time the game reaches that point it is all simply a formality, as the player will generally have a deterministic way to get it and cast it again.
@McMacMastaMan
Ай бұрын
Question: After seeing a video by "The Red Bobcat" were he goes through building a commander deck with only cards without rules text printed on them, i.e. full art spells, or cards with unreadable text, i.e. phyrexian prints of cards, I was wondering what an actual judge would say about what information the player of such cards is expected to give his opponent. In his video he talks us through MTR 4.1, especially the part about "Derived Information", which seems to be giving contradictory statements to the use of ful art cards and the information a player using them has to give, as all situations mentioned in that subsection 4.1 are made under the assumption that "Cards are considered to have their Oracle text printed on them". I would love to hear your thoughts on the matter!
@JudgingFtW
Ай бұрын
IPG 4.1 defines Unsporting Conduct - Minor as "A player takes action that is disruptive to the tournament or its participants." If a player wanted to play a "no-text" deck in an event I was judging, that player would have to convince me that he was not doing that stunt with the intention of being disruptive to the tournament. That would be a pretty hard sell.
@McMacMastaMan
Ай бұрын
@@JudgingFtW Thanks for your answer!
@MIKAEL212345
Ай бұрын
Curious on the approach example, cause when I play Lotus combo in pioneer, I often leave it face up, but with the deck you win in the same turn so I wonder if you would change anything about your explanation.
@Suspinded
Ай бұрын
Me going to a tournament with stong wishboard alt-sleeve presence with Hinder in the main to instill chaos.
@thepieguyinthesky2363
Ай бұрын
The main reason Im against karn board/companion being in different sleeves is because in the case they get bounced or shuffled into the deck they're easy to spot, nevermind lol, you went over it
@seanheath4492
Ай бұрын
Was kinda expecting this to be about reminder text, for some reason.
@MrShinyObject
Ай бұрын
Hey Dave, I desperately need to know how Zinnia interacts with clones. Does the replacement effect of clones turn off the offspring?
@Felixr2
Ай бұрын
The actual rules for it won't be out until the official release of Bloomburrow in a few days, but there are already some rulings on the exact workings of offspring. One in particular is relevant here: In the rare case where the creature doesn't have the offspring ability when it enters, the ability won't trigger even if you paid the offspring cost. Hence, Offspring on a clone does not work unless whatever the clone is copying also has Offspring. However! This means Offspring is similar enough to Blitz for Zinnia to use Henzie's rule. This means the creatures keep offspring on the battlefield. So if you cast Clone with offspring and copy a creature that was also cast with offspring through Zinnia, the Clone's offspring will work. I am unsure if the original creature needs to have its offspring cost paid in order to keep the ability on the battlefield.
@bryantan4228
Ай бұрын
Can you imagine if someone lost a pro tour because a judge told them to take their dice off their library and then in a subsequent game they forgot a Summoner’s Pact trigger?
@chrisbrannigan6210
Ай бұрын
Doesn't Arena shows where it it in the library to all players after someone casts Approach of the 2nd sun ?
@seandun7083
Ай бұрын
Arena does a lot of extra things to help player's remember revealed info so you won't need to play with a notepad on hand. It's not always the best guide for how to play things in person though.
@umbra4540
Ай бұрын
huh, my instinct for sun vs scry is actually flipped. the scried card isn't ever in hand, so to me it feels like something amy can make claims about but not reveal directly, whereas o don't see an issue with the approach so long as it gets flipped right side down if a shuffle happens
@seandun7083
Ай бұрын
You are actually allowed to reveal hidden information available to you. From MTR 3.13 on hidden information: "However, players may choose to reveal their hands or any other hidden information available to them, unless specifically prohibited by the rules."
@umbra4540
Ай бұрын
@@seandun7083 oh i believe it's allowed by rules, it just feels subjectively less valid to me than a card in hand
@shadef3915
Ай бұрын
Supposed I had double sleeved cards, and for my sideboard the inner sleeves have an additional marking on them that is only visible when viewing the front face of the card to help know which cards are sideboard cards. Ignoring the information this gives your opponent entirely, does this count as non-identical sleeves still?
@DanBarnard-y8p
Ай бұрын
Are you going to GenCon?
@dulloddity
Ай бұрын
For sleeves. It could matter if someone has a "discard a card at random" effect. Easy enough to roll a die to get random but many people don't do that.
@masterthnag105
Ай бұрын
If someone fails to find on purpose for a tutor effect, do they still need to shuffle if they chose to not even look at the library?
@potatochip23
Ай бұрын
If the shuffle is tied to a conditional, for example "...if your library is searched this way, shuffle your library", then no. But if the effect plainly states to shuffle your library as part of the effect, then you must still shuffle even if you fail to find.
@masterthnag105
Ай бұрын
@@potatochip23 okay, that's what I thought thanks for the confirmation. I remembered this because back in amonkhet standard I used field of ruin as tech against Approach control
@seandun7083
Ай бұрын
@@masterthnag105Field of Ruin forces a search and shuffle whereas Ghost Quarter says they may search and if they do, shuffle.
@masterthnag105
Ай бұрын
@@seandun7083 I never notticed that on ghost quarter. Thanks for pointing that out!
@camfunme
Ай бұрын
Does this mean MTG Arena is cheating by showing cards in both my and my opponents deck?
@Muhahahahaz
Ай бұрын
Not exactly… Everything talked about here is specifically in regards to tournament rules and procedures None of it has anything to do with the Comprehensive Rules (CR), which simply specify how a game of Magic itself functions, without ever specifying exactly how the players are supposed to achieve said functionality (for instance, it never defines what “tapping” a card is, aside from a binary status - The term “90 degrees” does not appear in the CR at all, and is only required by the separate tournament rules) As a result, Arena can handle these cases differently while still perfectly following the CR In fact, I like to think that from a digital perspective, what they’ve done is 100% necessary. If Arena didn’t do this for you, then someone would inevitably make a 3rd party tracker to show you when the known library card is coming up instead By having this functionality built-in to the game itself, they are simply leveling the playing field. Otherwise, everyone would be required to install external software just to remain competitive
@michaelsander2878
Ай бұрын
Your ruling on the morph card seems like it is forgetting that players cheat. This seems like a potential vector for cheating. Please do not let players do this.
@retronymph
Ай бұрын
The hypothetical player in the example is not concerned if the other player can see what creatures are under the morph. If they were, they would just turn them face down like normal. He also said that if the opposing player intentionally tried to see what was under them, it would constitute cheating.
@FinetalPies
Ай бұрын
What's the potential vector for cheating?
@michaelsander2878
Ай бұрын
@@retronymph AND you've inserted your opinion without understanding how it could happen. You should have asked a question instead of just assuming you understood what I was talking about.
@michaelsander2878
Ай бұрын
@@FinetalPies Lifting a morph counter off of a faceup creature is a pretty simple move and can be done in a variety of ways without anyone noticing. Anyone who is practiced in slight of hand can make this happen without alerting spectators.
@QriminalQuirke
Ай бұрын
Love the content my dude but as one balding man to another; it's time to let go. Buzz it all off and grow a beard, dawg! 😇😇
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