That's warframe's MO. Create thing, then move on to next thing, maybe come back and improve old things slightly then leave said things alone. Archwing anyone?
@lordpaps2270
9 ай бұрын
There’s always going to be someone complaining about something. I don’t even understand the criticism and archwings work fine
@TheWetMinority
9 ай бұрын
I think the point is that there is 0 reason to do it now over the new thing. Sure they work fine but why even use em anymore?
@naw613
9 ай бұрын
@@lordpaps2270shut. Archwing missions are the least played in the game. Do you even remember the last time you visited Uranus?
@apexgear2340
9 ай бұрын
@@naw613people go to the uranus and nepture archwing missions to level stuff all the time
@Zevox144
9 ай бұрын
@@apexgear2340 "people"
@Arassar
9 ай бұрын
Eidolons are "toxic" because of the time limit. People don't have unlimited time to play games, and when someone who doesn't know anything comes in and drags the party to a crawl, all they can see is their opportunity being wasted. Just make eidolons huntable at any time and it would be 100% better.
@thenightingale7405
9 ай бұрын
I don't understand people like this. Back when I did Eidos, I just got good enough to do what I needed solo, so any help from the group was just a bonus.
@ShadowRacho
9 ай бұрын
@@thenightingale7405 facts. People that are toxic because randoms are slowing them down are clearly people that aren’t good themselves because if they were and it bugged them so much they would just do it solo.
@undeadinside3571
9 ай бұрын
Just solo. Madurai makes 5x3 easily possible unless youre on the switch. Then your loading times drag you down a set or 2
@Cynorkis
9 ай бұрын
Eidolon hunts are genuinely the only place in warframe where I’ve experienced toxicity. The people running it always seemed to be miserable and rude
@gustavosanches3454
9 ай бұрын
Guess you never did raids then. Good times when you had a nice team, but only with a nice team with nice people
@Cynorkis
9 ай бұрын
@@gustavosanches3454 yeah I remember doing Lor. Only ran it a couple times though and my groups were helpful luckily. I do remember hearing about the toxicity with that too though
@elainachi
9 ай бұрын
I hunt to taxi new players who want to get arcanes, I love helping and welcoming new players cause it reminds me of beginner days where I soloed everything
@tempaz_1368
9 ай бұрын
You are a national treasure
@AlvinEarthworm
9 ай бұрын
Eidolons may have been far more tolerable if there were more people like you.
@marceljansen3812
9 ай бұрын
My biggest issue with eidolon hunts is the rotation cycle, when i have time to play the game for an hour and the night/eidolon cycle has just ended, it is just a crap system.
@fukyu5290
9 ай бұрын
Eidolon hunts are about as enjoyable as Conclave, glad it's getting forgotten
@xzrv8897
9 ай бұрын
Ofcourse it's not enjoyable when with full night you and ppl like you barely take first teralyst down at the begin of sunrise
@fukyu5290
9 ай бұрын
@@xzrv8897 Keep coping you clown and making assumptions. Memorizing pixels, spawns and unintuitive action sequences definitely makes you ''superior'' I kneel king.
@Maelferis
9 ай бұрын
First, this is actually an issue because it starts to get tricky to get Eidolon pieces for the Quills rep. Amps are gated behind them or Fortuna for newer players. Second, the whole let’s optimise it to the extreme meta choices until you troll cause you’re not a volt is stupid beyond measure.
@zombieepx1933
9 ай бұрын
Oh dear, it’s almost like you have to put in a little effort to be prepared for this type of content, how stupid beyond measure. I think the real issue is players feeling entitled like they should click once and have arcane energize and every amp in the game 😂
@Maelferis
9 ай бұрын
@@zombieepx1933 Oh dear, it’s almost like the gates of the small elitist castle require some gatekeepers. It was stupid content, it still is. No content in a game about build variety, modification and loadout choice should bottleneck players into one single valid solution.
@zombieepx1933
9 ай бұрын
@@Maelferis oh dear it’s almost like there’s a meta choice for specific strategy to be optimal and you can’t just brainlessly walk into something with random stuff and expect the same results, what a travesty. And yea it’s pretty stupid content, only made 250k plat from it while playing with mates, absolute waste of time 😂
@zombieepx1933
9 ай бұрын
@@Maelferis the only thing that bottlenecks players was their own skill issue/low iq. Eidolons is easy in comparison to bosses in other mmos like runescape 3 for example. There are plenty of games that are far harder and more of an investment to get into. Eidolons is literally the sole content in warframe that had a taste of that, you can literally play any other game mode you want without sounding like a bitter hopeless Karen about it.
@Maelferis
9 ай бұрын
@@zombieepx1933 Looks like I don’t even have to argue anymore - the real reason emerges xD
@masteroak9724
8 ай бұрын
There's one thing I'm glad. Eidolon Hunt was to this point the most toxic section of warframe community by miles. Every people I've ever blocked in this game was due that mode alone.
@SS-gu2tx
8 ай бұрын
We invited a guy to a 1h SP and he biffed it so badly, we had to extract. He died non-stop after 5 minutes. We were cool enough to let him redo his kit and rejoin, but he went on to say how he was better than us because he had more Eido kills. Was very unusual and ended up on everyones block list.
@masteroak9724
8 ай бұрын
@@SS-gu2tx Those aren't unusual for me, maybe it's the region, I dunno. It's very rare for me to find a group that doesn't flame or get mad at the slightly misstep. I've once had a guy who got mad at me to the point of sending lots of nasty private messages just because I've put Volt's shield at an slightly incorrect angle.
@nbassasin8092
9 ай бұрын
This has the "parents complain about the way they had to go to school" energy and how we have it easy now🤣
@dismissed7899
9 ай бұрын
I stopped doing eidolon hunts after a few ppl flamed me because I was still in the learning phase. Even though I watched a few guides I struggled xD but the toxcicity from other players kept me away from learning
@Mongrelntruder
9 ай бұрын
learn to do them solo it’s not as hard as you might think
@Tripleyou
9 ай бұрын
I still cherish the old times when a friend introduced me to eidolons. Hearing Onko "Oh the history you will have" and all the dedication that followed. Venturing into off meta and finetuning meta strats. Even after maxing out all the focus schools and all the arcanes, several times over, it was fun for a while after that. Don't think I have ever had as much fun with a game mode as I did with Eidolons. The community was not developed alot at the time, so I didn't experience the toxicity so many are talking about. People being toxic for this type of stuff need a reality check. Recruit properly if you want your team to meet your expectations.
@jakdexter2075
8 ай бұрын
The night and day really gets on my nerves it should have been it’s own mode.
@xornedge8204
8 ай бұрын
Imo yes, but then Eidolons need to become Steel Path exclusive to compensate for the ridiculous power creep. Having to wait 2 hours to do Eidolons is ridiculous but having the experience ruined by these sweats is even worse 😅
@kitsune_gt
8 ай бұрын
Maybe id play it more if the arcane rates were reasonable
@ZeUbermeinsch
6 ай бұрын
This was unironically a good guide for a returning player on what to gear to get for easier Eidolons now. Solo 1x3 was a struggle back then but with the new gear I get 2x3s fairly easily. You'll have to pry this Rubico Prime from my cold, dead hands though.
@Branfaol1
4 ай бұрын
I'd like to see a big hunt mode on Deimos
@mnbrodi
9 ай бұрын
for me HUGE turnoffs for eidolon hunts are: day/night cycle and those stupid lures
@golfer435
9 ай бұрын
Tri ity makes the lures trivial
@undeadinside3571
9 ай бұрын
Trinity is my go to. I thought about switching to volt at one point since his shields are the only thing that boost operator DPS, but i can still 5x3 solo with Trinity anyway
@WorldzMo5t3pic
9 ай бұрын
I miss the days when Chroma was just off in a field somewhere throwing Talons(?) at the ground to proc his damage buff...
@chrisduff503
9 ай бұрын
Here's my MR27 un optimized ass sporting a Rubico Prime, whacking Eidolons round the knees with a sharp pointy stick, unaware of what I'm actually doing, and there's people out there shaving seconds off their hunt. Man am I playing the wrong game
@kaylaoneill4863
9 ай бұрын
Nah you just need an optimised build Rubico without a riven and the crit mods to support is near useless Eido hunts are easy just takes alot of knowledge and build potential.
@ganjiblobflankis6581
7 ай бұрын
There was a time when you could random group 2-3 triples fairly comfortably. 1 guy would be clueless and learning, 1 guy would be Volt doing 50% of the work practicing to be elite level and the other 2 (me) would know what they are doing and play some kind of support. At some point it became either hold back a bunch of elitist tossers or try to carry 3 utterly clueless newbies.
@jsimo1431
8 ай бұрын
eidolon's got so damn toxic before i quit warframe altogether. so many try hard crybabies needing everything to be a certain way. they forgot it's just a fkn video game.
@LoveSeeker81392
8 ай бұрын
Voidrig 4th can destroy eidolon parts instantly. The current event sh1ts out arcanes. We get arcanes from other content. You can also just trade for arcanes. Eidolon Hunting was never fun. Most people by now got what they needed or wanted. The time investment to farm these arcanes to sell, and being time limited also doesn't help. All of these reasons is why theres a decline in Eidolon hunting.
@selfimprovement5873
8 ай бұрын
Eidolon was really fun, one of the only modes in the game that require skill and the technical know how.
@LoveSeeker81392
8 ай бұрын
@selfimprovement5873 i miss raids for arcanes / helmet enchant cosmetics or how ever i got them.
@firestalker11
9 ай бұрын
Arcanes becoming more accessible is not a bad thing. I think skill should obviously have a place in the game more than just gear but Eidolon hunts was unapproachable toxic garbage with random teammates. Nobody actually gives a shit about hunts becoming irrelevant from a meta, "competitive" point of view.
@Karmah-
9 ай бұрын
Hot take: It was dead day 1. Got a base Energize and never went back.
@авпавапвап
9 ай бұрын
Yeah i really hate these hunts veterans rush through it so you never get a chance to understand what to do at the different stages of the fights been playing 2 years and only did like 5 eidolon hunts get carried those times still dont understand it all 😢
@авпавапвап
9 ай бұрын
@quentin7648 yeah I did requirements for the hunts so many things just too much for 2 or 3 arcanes
@anthonyreyes7369
9 ай бұрын
I think what DE needs to do for a future update is a boss revamp or a raid, something thats challenging and tests your skills as a warframe player. Not a boss you just sit and shoot at, I want to see actual mechanics needing to be used in the boss fight.
@ceral1871
9 ай бұрын
Fight the 60 eyes fragmented one
@lookalike4805
9 ай бұрын
You'll have to play a Different Game. That's never Gonna Happen in Warframe.
@anthonyreyes7369
9 ай бұрын
@@lookalike4805 one can dream
@Reader999
9 ай бұрын
I wanna see a boss block my melee atk or deflect my primary/secondary shot before it does a follow up counterattack that either nearly or straights up kills me. Then by the time you finally beat it, it becomes so rewarding.
@StealthDocs
9 ай бұрын
Eidolon hunts were never fun for me personally, but what would have made them less alienating and decreased the toxicity (a bit)? Making them accessible regardless of the time of day in PoE One of the big reasons I persisted with the Orb fights and got much better was I could do them anytime Speaking of Orbs, still waiting on Orb 3 to climb out of its hot tub...
@BigKab1
9 ай бұрын
Hated doing eidolons.
@WI-FI_GOD
9 ай бұрын
Same I’ve only did it once 😂
@liquidwater1133
9 ай бұрын
Funnily enough I started getting into eidolon hunting last week. It was so much fun I bought volt prime and a shit ton of mods to complete my build. I even left my dead clan and made one centered around eidolon hunting. I went from not even killing 1 teralyst myself to being able to solo tridolon in a week. It's my new favorite part of the game. The arcanes are a nice bonus
@miel307
9 ай бұрын
I despise Cetus bounties and Eidolons with a passion. F the day/night cycle and F lures.
@chaosgyro
9 ай бұрын
It's for the best. Eidolons were a wall that created a lot of toxicity among people. With them being relegated to simply a farming niche the rest of the game has a much more smooth progression.
@derkbradley7434
9 ай бұрын
Meh I never enjoyed Edilons anyway. That's why dont have most of the arcanes.
@thenightingale7405
9 ай бұрын
I didn't hate them. I just didn't want to do as many as them as you had to in order to get arcanes. I stopped after I got max energize.
@derkbradley7434
9 ай бұрын
@@thenightingale7405 honestly I usually buy prime accessories and I spent that plat on energize and a couple others over the years
@nunya2400
9 ай бұрын
I used to play with a guy that had one eye, and the other was 20/200 (legally blind) he could see fuzzy out of it, but after new war was able to solo 4x3! it was truly amazing.
@Desolator-ny7cb
9 ай бұрын
My first eidolon hunt was done using the mote amp. Lol took me until day time to finish until gantulyst.
@Arassar
9 ай бұрын
DE nerfing Void Dash for Operator and Blink for Itzal was the WORST.
@cerebrus_gacha
9 ай бұрын
Glad you brought the macro issue into the discussion. This needs to stop; it's really pathetic to see "World Records" done with the aid of macros. Hopefully DE does something about it.
@Maverick2736
9 ай бұрын
The dumbest part about them, to me, is the day/night timegate. If they're gonna have a timegate because the concept of "oooh night is dangerous oooh~" then a tridolon cap shouldn't be a fight that can be cheesed and, in exchange, give way more rewards for the time and effort put into them. But we have neither: you're incentivized by the timegate and the barebones rewards into grinding out a build that makes eidolons a pathetic unfun fight just to make the arcane grind less agonizing.
@kennycobb8228
8 ай бұрын
Event goes away and all the sudden eidolons is the only way to farm arcanes again. Just sayin
@notedgyatall6825
8 ай бұрын
Eidolons go away and all the sudden event is the only way to farm arcanes again. Just sayin
@Death-To-Pocketbook
8 ай бұрын
Arcane dissolution/Loid’s arcane shop aren’t leaving with the event?
@leandrofod
8 ай бұрын
I don't think they created a feature like the dissolution thing just for it to disappear with the event. It would make no sense considering how popular it got. But again, you are right. This feature makes eidolons obsolete
@enaxtry
7 ай бұрын
I used to go on eidolon runs with my clan members as a fairly new player before our alliance collapsed and I used to really love it. Now I can finally enjoy the eidolon hunts solo even tho I can do only 1x3, but working on getting better bcs I unironically rly enjoy this.
@IndicaAU
7 ай бұрын
New eidolons are just no fun to me anymore I did one the other day and I'm a returning player after like a year and a half and yeah it just wasn't challenging... with random lobbies sometimes it's hard because someone isn't playing a role properly... now I can just carry. The Madurai stacks were so crazy if you were doing shield because if your dps isn't dps'ing it would make me think "dang should I waste a stack and shoot them limb" now I just do it 😂
@gustavo541995
9 ай бұрын
Old content always gets easier over time in any game, this is normal. This is because people always complain when new items arent stronger than the current ones.
@GoatLayEgg
8 ай бұрын
"people do this just to get funny colored number in idalon website" - litearlly thats the whole speedrunning community in every game, wtf do u expect?
@vrontheweb3749
8 ай бұрын
d2 src wont verify macro runs.. keep coping
@vvookeaver
9 ай бұрын
Don't be sorry; We are a product of our history and nothing we have now would be here without our roots. DE has done a lot of good work recently, but we must not forget that Warframe is the sum of all its parts and not only what is new. P.S. Thank you for being among the elites who explore the frontiers of this great game and showing the rest of us the way. I am only a casual so I appreciate the guidance of our veterans when I can't find my way.
@peterk9562
9 ай бұрын
i agree with you a 100% - thank you again for your video....i watched your "Eidolon Guide 2022" last year because Eidolon is my last thing to really go for in Warframe. But like you said in this video here: there are whole new items, arcanes, etc. that makes these old "mechanics" somekind of obsolete. And to be honest with you i am still avoiding doing Eidolon Hunts, even though they are quite cool nevertheless..... so i have a question for you: is there a way you could make an update of your last "Eidolon Guide" so that we can acutally see what has changed according to what to get now to be successfull in Eidolon Hunts?
@ULTRA_CHEMICAL
9 ай бұрын
Is there a hidden difficulty for the new boss I’m missing, I entered it on steel path which was a little harder but it still got shredded with minimal effort
@Halalryu
9 ай бұрын
Yes, after you collect 30 eyes u need to find a adroposr serum when u find it pick it up it will spawn more vitreums then do then until you hit 60 eyes (60/30) then the secret boss is ready
@LimboDBD
9 ай бұрын
Note with the 60 eyes version self revives are turned off and you actually have to dodge it’s attacks or else it’s basically gg
@Hitechsyph
9 ай бұрын
ive done like 4 eidelon hunts total in my life and i have most of the arcanes maxed lmao, they better start dropping like 3-5 arcanes PER KILL if they wanna make them worth while now. even without an event, buying them with platinum is the most efficient way to get them.
@Azoi2006
9 ай бұрын
bought 4k plat, bought arcane energize for 2400, now its 800
@kaneasax4923
9 ай бұрын
The people buying rank 0's for 80p hopefully enjoyed this update. They deserve it though
@dxd0118
8 ай бұрын
De should make eidelon arcane drop rate better for the best arcanes thats the only way to fix this
@1123walkman
8 ай бұрын
Can't stand this game mode ... feels like a waste of time the work just doesn't feel worth it. Sure they made it easier but they didn't make it any more fun. Eidolons just suck the enjoyment of the game right out of me
@lillen141
7 ай бұрын
As a new player, I have no clue what you are talking about. I know im having a blast.
@IndicaAU
7 ай бұрын
Its just because you didn't play the old game. Old game was amazing. Way back we used to have raids but they gone
@derpy7321
5 ай бұрын
@@IndicaAUI felt like this reply was unneeded because you basically just said the person is a new person even tho the comment already stated it
@Apoxiosis
9 ай бұрын
because eidolon hunts arent fun. "oh i have to get my lure and kill 2 voms and make it to he eidolon in 37 seconds and if i dont the eido doesnt poop out my 3rd vom now i have to go find another one and then drag 17 lures all over the place cluttering up the entire hemisphere i'm in, but now i got my lures and theyre charged time to dps the eidolon except oh he's walking by a grineer and and 243 grineer are now shooting at me making it even more of a pain in my ass." eidolon hunts could be so much more fun but we've seen DE's track record with boss fight style enemies. none of them are good.
@xzrv8897
9 ай бұрын
Sounds like massive skill issue,get good
@Apoxiosis
9 ай бұрын
"is it the game mode thats unfun? nono its the community thats out of touch"@@xzrv8897
@BoisGameClips-4ever
9 ай бұрын
Yes DE !! DO NOT NERF the 60 eyes its perfect, hard and challenging at the same time and takes time and effort to grind and prepare
@oconnor42011
8 ай бұрын
I get a group instantly any time I go there idk what your playing
@UndeadDragonWarrior
9 ай бұрын
Glad its over, ran into a lot of toxic players. When i finished my farm, I didn't touch that shit ever again.
@bloodsuckinflea
9 ай бұрын
I found every way possible and citcumvented it. Between Operation Scarlet Spear and Operarion Orphix Venom I finished every eidolon arcane for me AND my wife. My Scarlet Spear score was like 1.4 million. 😂
@dekkan_0771
9 ай бұрын
I just never got the appeal of Eidolon hunts , I got back to warframe this year after 4 years and I just started buying everything that’s useful for me, I don’t see myself farming eidolons for arcanes when I can just buy them with plat since I worked too. I just don’t have the time and honestly I’m not interested because of how many things and steps you need to do for farming them. Maybe in the future I’ll get into it but for the moment I’m good.
@Eurosdown
9 ай бұрын
That's kind of the great thing about Warframe; you can choose not to engage with content you don't enjoy and just trade your way to whatever rewards you want.
@OlsenOfficial
9 ай бұрын
right now you can get the arcanes in 2 other ways, besides buying, so why bother about it anyway? and we mostly get them for collection and completion, since most of those arcanes can be replaced by something else. Like helminth abilities, archon shards, grimoire, newest arcanes, mods, etc.
@phoenixlamp2
9 ай бұрын
God I miss void dash. Hate the zenurik cast.
@sdbegotist
9 ай бұрын
My problem with older Zenurik was Lightning Orbs would always cause the Grineer spy detectors to trigger. Was otherwise worth having it for free damage. I don’t mind the current state of Zenurik
@needbettername8583
9 ай бұрын
Ironically I think Eidelons basically wrote themselves out of existence through META. The Meta slaves have basically stopped newer players taking it up, as the initial investment is so high. It is, sadly, the most toxic part of warframe outside of the sweaty riven market. It's sad to see really.
@heatseeker178
7 ай бұрын
I noticed the No Time To Explain and the Ruinous Effigy you have, and I love that! I have a kit gun of my own that I named Devils Ruin, haha! (For those that don't get it: These are names of Exotic weapons in Destiny 2)
@summoner1451
9 ай бұрын
This was legit one of the only things that i hated about this game. So am glad that it's being pushed aside. No one wants to farm these trash things.
@eimaipiswsou3198
8 ай бұрын
I never liked the fact that we can hunt only during cetus night hours also the drop chances of arcane energize are low so imo just go farm platinum by selling/farming other stuff and go buy a maxed energize.
@wcalenielucekxd3337
4 ай бұрын
I did my eidolon preparations, so iam gonna use my fricking eidolon preaparations
@koboldbiopellet
9 ай бұрын
me finally getting powerful enough to get into Eidolon Hunts
@Truck_Kun_Driver
9 ай бұрын
LMAO Conclave is the TRUE dead game mode nobody plays that shit 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@AlvinEarthworm
9 ай бұрын
Ironically another game mode that attracts toxic and elitist players.
@Truck_Kun_Driver
9 ай бұрын
@@AlvinEarthworm I played that shit twice. Never gonna touch it again 😬😬😬
@Skaatje
9 ай бұрын
Never liked doing it, so it's all good.
@Untouchedyeti
9 ай бұрын
I love watching your videos, your builds and the way you can rip apart the game mechanics. I would love to see you design a boss and boss mechanic for new/mid and end game players!
@iEi8HT
9 ай бұрын
I tried to play eidolon hunts yesterday and i quit shortly after cuz the lures are so buggy.
@hafizalhashim5843
9 ай бұрын
Learn more before say buggy
@iEi8HT
9 ай бұрын
@@hafizalhashim5843 yeah how about you learn english before you tell me anything, lil bro.
@newbplaygames
8 ай бұрын
@@hafizalhashim5843 warframe AI is never known to have best pathing.
@starO.D
9 ай бұрын
WOOO YEAH BABY that's what I've been waiting for, that's what it's all about WOOOOOO Thank god
@meatwax
9 ай бұрын
I actually like Eidolon Hunting. I think the time limit needs to b taken off of it. If people want to farm them, let them, especiallybsince getting the arcanes people that hunt them actually care about are available from more sources. If the time limit was gone, it would remove alot of the toxicity around them. I host carries and chill hunts all the time, and i do get pissed when its not casual and it gets DC, or ruined by someone whonrefuses to place shard or something. My squad rules are "stay alive, b able to find and place shard" OMG i forgit about charging up stacks for 5 min before nightfall 😅
@Dregomz02
9 ай бұрын
They could split arcanes into two pools one for the day and another for the night so you could have easier time farming arcanes you want.
@stormnorman7215
9 ай бұрын
agreed, most of why i dont like eids is the weird time limits
@Reader999
9 ай бұрын
I would like eido hunts more if we were able to practice fighting them in simulacrum. The time limit makes it annoying sometimes if I wanna try new builds (for meta or wacky purposes ofc)
@Cruncherss
9 ай бұрын
Eidolons are fun but profit taker is a more fun punishing boss now plus I don't have to wait till night
@evolvedmonkey9775
8 ай бұрын
I hunted heavily back in the old meta of Chroma, Trinity, Volt and Harrow with a lot of the old strats you mentioned in the video. I was usually the guy charging VS. I think I've got about 120-130 captures and maxed out all the arcanes (then they made us all farm 11 more lmao). Crazy to see how much the meta has changed since those days. I haven't touched the hunts in years, Scarlet Spear gave me everything I needed and I still have more sentient cores than I'll ever use, with maxed focus schools as well. I'd love a reason to give em a go again though, despite all the jank.
@jakeofthewest
8 ай бұрын
My only issue with the 60 eyes boss fight is the same old crutch of damage attenuation. I hope they add bosses that require specific skills and timing like other "Raid Bosses". I'm thinking of Nier: Automata specifically, but I know there are other examples out there of good bosses that are not just damage sponges.
@lanoche
9 ай бұрын
Yeah and that's the issue. Eidolon hunts were extremely sweaty. You either pub randomly which is always horrible or look for other sweaty players like you to do it with. I used to run it with a buddy we just did like 2x3 or 3x3 at the most duo but after like 100 runs it got boring. Oh yeah Void Dash too. I miss that, Void Fucking Sling is so trash and buggy and DE doesn't even bother fixing the issues with it. I took out the option for it to activate on double jump but guess what, it still does. Lastly, people that say Effervo is fucking hard, they need to stop bringing "fun" but shit weapons. That's a dps check boss and it's meant for people to bring the best of the best. If they want a meme run, they should make it but if they want clears, like 10000% of every game out there that has an end game boss mode, you bring your best gears.
@jairokasso9351
9 ай бұрын
I understand what you mean by this rant, but think about conclave or even the orphix mission or even the level cap thing. All these things are done by a small group of plyaers, all you described if you watch this video without the perspective of a hunter, can give you the answer why DE is opening all these avenues for regular players to obtain these rewards (eidolon arcanes). The eidolon hunt is not irrelevant since only the arcanes are being offered in this "pity system", it is better to have this available since as you entioned, the hunts demand an dedicated setup that is not casual/newbie friendly. yes i understand that this activity meant and means a lot for people that have made it a sort of matter of prestige and is understandable that giving regular players the rewards from this activity might leave a bitter taste, either by seeing this as "giving players rewards without any effort" or "rendering my prestige/elite activity meaningless". The arcane dissolution is not effortless. in order to earn the chance to obtain these eidolon arcanes, players must farm arcanes from the rest of the game, either by farming acolytes, doing zariman bounties or buying them with standing from vendors. This means that at least, the player getting the eidolon arcanes, has invested a considerable amount of time and effort in the rest of the game, making any high tier arcane obtained this way, well deserved. The prestige from hunting eidolons cannot be made irrelevant. As many other activities in warframe that recquire the mastery of a certain skill, players will try and pursue these activites as challenges to prove themselves and to boast over well deserved bragging rights, but, this can open a can of worms that brings more issues to the game at large more than you might see at first glance. I will try to point out some issues that i think DE is triying to face by offering alternative ways of obtaining these eidolon arcanes, These all are based on the things ive seen in my short play time and from videos of veterans like you that bring out the reasons of changes and things related to the game: - item market prices. As the arcanes are hard to obtain, people using macros can exploit this farm to a degree that yields them a massie amount of platinum without putting in the intended amount of effort. Remember that everytime a farm has been optimized and "features" abused, DE has nerfed/revised or change warframes, abilities and mechanics to stop these exploits. I asume that offering a playerbase wide alternative to this farm would greatly solve this issue. - The eidolon hunts are not for everyone. Veterans with years of practice and memorized every aspect of this activity fail to understand that casual players wont invest that much time and effort into this. Some may point that you can hunt eidolons even with a toothpick, but, there is more to this than just doing damage tot he boss: spawn locations, gear setup, bug and glitch knowledge to both avoid wasting time and how to do this efficiently. All of the before mentioned recquire time and dedication, and most of the players, me included, dont enjoy a content that recquires such an elaborate degree of dedication and such a short amount of time available to learn and practice. If you play for over a year hunting, you can get good by yourself or something like that, but if you show an option that just recquries to play the game as usual and just enjoy whatever I want, obviously most players will choose this over investing on a hunt. (unless they are maxing the schools because the shards are needed for that). In conclusion: DE, or at least I see this way, will not add/change the eidolon bosses, nor add a token for bragging rights. They added a legit challenge that can be achieved voluntarely and a proper token to boast over conquering it. It sucks that this might make hunters feel bad, but is something that hunters themselves made a thing, the game mode was never a formal challenge of sorts, players made it so, and just like the level cap challenge, is a thing that players do for bragging rights amongst those who care about that specific thing. DE has stated that level cap is not the way the game is intended to be played but you can do it if you want, they wont add a token to show off that you can do level cap missions, nor conclave nor any other activity in specific. This is a good thing because it means that many more content like the fractured one will come our way and with it, legit ways to brag about, ways that can be achieved by those who have legit skills to show off. With all that said, what we could ask for, is for a boss only game mode including the eidolons, with timed, circuit rules and mechanics, to give that part of the comunity a proper stage to show off how good they are, without affecting the market or whatever other valid reason. But remember that as usual the many pay for the sins of the few. Thats all i can think about this right now, thanks for the video man, really appreciate it and have a great new year man.
@MasterAarott
9 ай бұрын
I met so many BM volts trying to eido hunt that I ended up associating him as the warframe for toxic players.
@armyfreak9389
9 ай бұрын
He is
@SugarRoll
9 ай бұрын
Kudos to DE for making arcanes more accessible. Eidolons are about as fun as the exploiter orb. While it's entertaining, the amount of times you had to do it to get max ranked arcanes was just toxic. Glad we don't need to fight it as much anymore.
@MistahBroccoli
7 ай бұрын
I'm mr 30 and I've never actually don't one yet. I don't have a regular group to play with anymore and I don't wana hear randoms complain about me not doing it right in the beginning
@omega9077
7 ай бұрын
I'm the same brother. Nearly LR1 and I have done it a handful of times. Only needing to do it for the occasional person in my clan that randomly asks to get carried lol
@edvin7
7 ай бұрын
If you're mr30 you won't need a group. get rubico/prime, volt, 123 amp atleast, madurai void strike and maybe eternal onslaught and you're golden
@IndicaAU
7 ай бұрын
They're so easy now that you can do it. And if randoms complain then they shouldn't be random queueing they should be creating a group
@slof69
4 ай бұрын
no one complains these days since you 6x3 solo and if ur at the shrine in time to put the shard in it doesn't matter
@bootisfm4392
8 ай бұрын
The fragmented one is not a good boss though. Its just a bullet sponge, Make it scary, Give it a way to pass through shield gating... Hard boss / Bullet sponge are 2 very different things.
@SissypheanCatboy
8 ай бұрын
hard boss doesn't equal "good boss" either. What would bypassing shieldgating do other than make it more obnoxious? Warframe has shown pretty conclusively they cannot make mechanically interesting bossfights. They tried with Ropalolyst, and that fight is _still_ a glitchy fustercluck.
@technoviking2415
9 ай бұрын
People said this with that old event that had arcanes in it. But yea we have other ways now.
@Arya_Drottningu
3 ай бұрын
I don't care if the game mode is dead. I do them because they're fun and I can do tricaps solo.
@deathrowjoker9469
9 ай бұрын
I'm MR25, haven't done eidolons not even once
@deathrowjoker9469
9 ай бұрын
@quentin7648never really tried to do eidolons before but imma learn
@TheFellHeart
9 ай бұрын
@quentin7648Nice cope. Nothong about EH takes any actual skill. It's all just muscle memory 😹 All you have to do is know where to go, what to shoot, what to kill, and when to do it. Oh and have a decent build that you most likely copied off of warframe. Quit acting like warframe is a game the requires skill, it's not.
@JohnCedricFlores-l7o
9 ай бұрын
Doing 5x3 itself is an achievement for me. Maxing all the gear, memorizing the timings, force spawning and doing it solo is incredibly fun.
@albertoramil3344
9 ай бұрын
ive been doing eidolons since chroma unairu. at the time doing a 2x3/3x3 is already a feat. and now you got people doing 6x3 solos. quite happy to see that eidolon hunts have gotten this far over the last couple of years. but it is sad that a lot of players are doing macro hunts now. its like all your time that you spent learning the timings, knowing where to look and what to look for are just wasted.
@Fivept48
9 ай бұрын
Nobody is talking about this man’s Destiny 2 Exotics for weapon names, I just started doing that too lmao
@flaviogcmll8706
9 ай бұрын
bro eidolon are boring af, i'm glad its over
@xzrv8897
9 ай бұрын
Ofcourse it's boring when you spend 30 minutes on killing first teralyst🥱
@lolmitsuki8411
8 ай бұрын
I'm glad it's easier to solo now. Too many try hard gatekeepers that wouldn't have the patience to spend an hour to teach someone how to do the hunts.
@dirtybird2202
9 ай бұрын
Sorry but out of the 1500 or so times I have done Eidolons I have never got one Arcane Energize. And it drops only on the Last one. The whole reason I don't do these now as the drop rate is so abysmal it's not even funny. I finished my school more then a year or 2 ago as I used the shards to rank up my schools, do to DE removing all the good farms for Focus. We use to do Raids everyday when it was a thing for Energize, never had one drop there either. This is why the price for these was so high. I know someone that has dozens of these Arcana's and won't sell them waiting, till the price gets stupid high. Well that's a laugh now with the new dissolve mechanics with Loid that we have in the game now. Though they still have a bad drop rate even then. I did manage to get one. I'm sorry doing so much of this farming has made the game unfun to do, it had become like a job to just play and get something. Most of the people I know, no longer play the game, even I play seldom now. just do the new quests till it becomes unfun to do and just quit. My friends no longer will play. We call Warframe Farmville in space a nod to the old Facebook Farmville game. Though it seems all you get is Junk and weeds most of the time.
@icecoldpython59
9 ай бұрын
Damn.. I’ve not done up to 100 hunts and I’ve gotten at least 10 arcane energize. Maybe it’s just luck lol
@theegbandski8930
8 ай бұрын
It sucked from the get go, we got shitty default amps which made the first few encounters literally a chore, when we got enough standing with Quill and got better amps it became a speed run type of thing, Chroma made Eidolon hunts damn near trivial, couldnt count how many times i went into hunts with Chromas where they just one shot shields and one shot limbs, i think i did 4 tridolon hunts in a single night with a Chroma that was just SHITTING DMG
@SissypheanCatboy
8 ай бұрын
Honestly the main reason I never bothered with Eidolon hunts is because of how few good rewards they offer, and how uninteresting the fights themselves are. Arcanes range from nearly worthless passive abilities to complete game-changers. Most of the Eidolon reward tables are those miniscule passives. Meanwhile, the eidolons spam flashy AoE attacks while you plink away at them. In my opinion? They just need to take inspiration from other videogame raid bosses and give them more readable, interesting move sets instead of a bunch of bland energy blasts and waves. They don't even need to give them better drop tables or new loot, if they just give me a cool bossfight, I'll do it over and over again for fun alone.
@deltaromeo2472
9 ай бұрын
Been playing since stamina bars and eidelon hunts have always been ass. It was gate kept by a community after the shine went away so new players HAD to pay plat for otherwise unobtainable arcanes. Once again, warframes biggest enemy is its own community. They should just give all POE arcanes to acolytes and change acolyte mechanics to be more like kuva guardians to keep operator and amps relevant.
@yusef917
9 ай бұрын
Me who has 1000 hours and could never solo an eidolon: “aww yeah what a dead game mode so glad I don’t have to play it!” Edit: One thing I really hate about warframe community and warframe in general is the tact that there’s really no super clear path to progression like how do I know I’m ready for 60 eyes etc
@kaneasax4923
9 ай бұрын
No one was ready for 60 eyes when we discovered it. My first run(with a squad) was terrible. Then i went in solo with the knowledge i had gathered and beat it(with shaky aim at the end)
@Grandleon
9 ай бұрын
Having no clear path to progression is the best part. I gave up on games such as WoW because everyone became so adverse to failure that you had to watch detailed guides and download multiple mods before anyone would allow you near a boss.
@yusef917
9 ай бұрын
@@Grandleon I hear that for sure I gave up on even attempting lost ark because of it, but idk with warframe it’s like ok I beat the star chart but Steele path is beating the absolute hell out of me , I’m missing key mods for my saryn, can’t build a respectable amp without killing a trillion eidolons etc it’s like you get stuck everywhere at once so you stop 😭
@puppet4452
Ай бұрын
I still do eidolon hunt, because I like collecting the articula, getting one feels like getting a trophy
@cdgonepotatoes4219
8 ай бұрын
It's exactly because Eidolon hunts are easy now that I can't be bothered populating public matchmaking or going to recruitment chat. I do everything on my Necramech so on a whim I can pop in for a 3x3 without having to change anything about my loadout, maybe switch to Madurai if I'm elsewhere, but that's my level of performance and what I'm comfortable with. With the improvements to the focus grind and greater ease of access to higher tier lenses without having to build them has lowered my need for eidolon shards, and nowadays my priority in arcanes has also shifted to the steel path and Circuit. Whenever I go on an eidolon hunt at this point is for pleasure, as it should, and I do still go on eidolon hunts to get that big game hunty feeling I don't get anywhere else, but understand that people move on to other things and especially the speedrunner population isn't very high, and those speedrunners are also people who may get bored and seek some variety, something else to speedrun like The Fragmented One which hasn't yet been optimized to death.
@immorriewang244
9 ай бұрын
I don’t think new eye boss is a good model solution to difficult content because it seems DE just add a damage taken per sec cap to the boss, which makes all weapon the same after reaching a dps checkpoint. But it is understandable they need to do that since we can do negative damage with ease😂
@sergioontiveros4984
9 ай бұрын
After years of farming eidolons i only got 1 energize from eidolons plus the 3 that i got from nightwave. With dissolution i got an r5 energize with the thousands of steel path arcanes i didn't need, can't wait till they let us roll for duplicate and crescendo for that sweet sweet grofit
@ArcNine9Angel
7 ай бұрын
I'm mr30 and I've done only a handful of these hunts, before it was a lack of good gpu that couldn't handle it and then juat pure annoyance with the mechanics. I do wish to learn it well enough for myself, because even after all this time I agree with you, it's still one of the paragons of boss fights that require a high level of 'endgame' progress to do well. I really hope DE knows how integral something like Eidolon Hunts are to late stage players, because DE does what DE does and when raids became buggy with every update, they removed them because they couldn't dedicate the manpower to fix.
@dragonoflegend8798
9 ай бұрын
This is awesome. Also I know I and a whole lot of other people would love it if DE just gave the Twin Grakatas The Brainstorm mod. It would literally bump them up a few tiers and make us all happy Brain storm for the Twin Graks and Arcane Velocity, oh baby. I'd join that petition
@GC_Mars
9 ай бұрын
I’ve been following you for years and thanks to your videos I’ve become a way better player than I used to be. This video hits different, because here we aren’t showing busted builds, bullying Inaros and his delusional mains, showing obscure weapons and crazy interactions within certain loadouts, nothing of that. Here you’re actually showing how much you care for this game, I can feel all your passion for it and how you genuinely feel bad for the state of eidolons. DE should hire you as an advisor, I’m dead serious (well they technically did that without paying you *cough* Grendel rework *cough*). You’re simply the best for all your dedication and passion for the game, you don’t rant because you wanna be toxic, you do because you’d like to see the game in a better state. Always had mad respect for you but after this video it’s even higher.
@rufiorufioo
9 ай бұрын
Yeah I was hunting Eidolons years ago. I have my 6 forma Lanka useless weapon now 🤣 AND YEAH I came back and learned they removed Void Dash... broke my fking heart man. Best movement skill in any game I have ever played.
@leroytheconvoy713
8 ай бұрын
This game mode isn't dead. I always get full lobbies no matter the time of night. I understand your frustration with this mode, but it's far from dead.
@KinaIchi
8 ай бұрын
Compare it to other things done in Warframe, because in that since, it is most definitely. They were a testament of skill back in the day, but now are just a less efficient way to get arcanes. They can be fun sometimes, but most people try way to hard, and it becomes unfun very quickly.
@leroytheconvoy713
8 ай бұрын
What you say is wrong, compare it to steel path missions or that mars mission where you farm the stuff for citrine, those are more dead then eidelon hunts, by that i mean less people in lobbies. My point is not whether its fun or not, its whether its dead, such as conclave. There might be a more efficient way of getting arcanes but thats not my point either, people invested a bunch of resources into being able to farm eidelons and they wont just stop because there is a more effiecient(IMO more boring) method of farming arcanes. Ultimately fun is subjective and a game mode being "dead" is objective, and in that case this video just has a click bate title with some fair points.@@KinaIchi
@KinaIchi
8 ай бұрын
@@leroytheconvoy713 I do understand where your coming from, and I respect that. The thing is, as time goes on more and more people will get into the game, and those people will be seeing videos like this, and be completely detoured from it. What I’m trying to say, is that KZitemrs are really what is killing Eidolons hunts. Yes, Eidolons will always have a community because they were a iconic part of the game a couple of years ago, but time will always persist, and new methods will arise.
@elainyaa
9 ай бұрын
14:05 why do you think that boss is impressive? It's just a regular boss which is just much stronger but there are no certain mechanics to it, just shoot and that's it. We have a lot of those type of bosses already just weaker.. I don't rly understand how you like that boss?
@ceral1871
9 ай бұрын
I don’t think you fought the true 60 eyes boss? A cool mechanic it has is that it summons these laser that Oneshot you but you can line them into the boss to do high damage that bypasses attenuation
@riven4121
9 ай бұрын
Note he said 60 eyes boss The 60 eye version has different mechanics. It is capable of removing buffs like Mesmer skin if you get hit so you can't just afk tank your way through it and have to actively think about positioning and ability usage.
@Jon_EL
9 ай бұрын
@@ceral1871theres a 30 eyed version that does that too. The 60 eyed boss has all the powers of the different lesser 30 eyed versions
@elainyaa
9 ай бұрын
ah ok didnt know that. i was asking cuz i was just genuinely curious, thats a nice mechanic but not enough imo@@ceral1871
@lookalike4805
9 ай бұрын
Same Deal But more Damage Attenuation. It's basically a Bigger Archon.
@zarko_mkd1780
9 ай бұрын
DE need to make the eidolon hunt more rewarding at the end now or to add different eidolons with higher difficulty with added multiple rewards at the end with guaranteed rare arcanes drops.....as an exaple.
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