The first time I was in a spin, I just took a sudden deep breath. After that, I fell in love with spins. I became very proficient in recovery. I think every student pilot should be required to do spins. The practice can save your life.
@doughaas536
11 ай бұрын
I learned spin recovery when I was a student pilot in the 70's. They were fun. I wouldn't get into a spin on purpose anymore, but not afraid of them in the right airplane. My airplane is "spins prohibited" so no practicing.
@michaelhoffmann2891
10 ай бұрын
Instead the approach now is "too dangerous, don't teach it" - with completely predictable results.
@flyguy5941
10 ай бұрын
@@michaelhoffmann2891 I agree. The first time I was in a spin, it shocked me as to how fast it happened. If you never experienced a spin, the chance of recovery is nil. Spins should absolutely be taught!
@michaelhoffmann2891
10 ай бұрын
@@flyguy5941 One thing I remember from my dad, who also towed gliders for years: spin after glider release was normal procedure, to get back down and land as rapidly as possible, to keep up the cadence. Nothing would get you down from altitude faster without the risk of exceeding Vne, after all! Sometimes, when the W&B would allow I would come along. I thought a spin before landing approach was normal! 😆
@JediOfTheRepublic
9 ай бұрын
Learning how to do spin recovery will not help you at 500 Ft AGL when you spin going base to final. You missed the entire point of the exercise. It's about making sure you never get to the point where you do spin.
@MartinHenne
3 жыл бұрын
Lol. He said "we lost about 500 ft there" after regaining about 400ft. In fact, he lost 900 ft during the maneuver!
@kylesweeney929
2 жыл бұрын
In other words you'd be fucked in a real circuit
@davidhames319
6 ай бұрын
Yep, I watched it again and this time watched the altimeter. Close to 1000 foot loss.
@rapinncapin123
Ай бұрын
😂
@Trvlrxxx
Ай бұрын
We did real spin training in the 70s when I was working on my Private certificate.
@jimbower9268
6 ай бұрын
I inadvertently spun a 152 during power on stall training. Fortunately, my instructor was with me because all I could do was let go of the yoke and scream “what the f*** is this?” He calmly showed me how to recover. I swear I didn’t do it on purpose, but the next time I was out practicing power on stalls by myself, I spun the aircraft again. This time I knew what to do. If it hadn’t been for that previous experience, I wouldn’t be here talking about it. I firmly believe everybody should get practical spin training as part of their private pilot course. As it is now, all they do is talk about it in ground school.
@jeffmarken7493
6 ай бұрын
Bank does not increase load. Elevator increases load. You can bank and not load the wing. If high on base, square your turn to final, use more bank, but just don't pull back on the stick.
@user-lq7hf1ww3k
5 ай бұрын
Dan Gryder says never to bank if engine trouble. LOL..
@igclapp
2 күн бұрын
Have to watch your sink rate though.
@99bx99
3 жыл бұрын
That looks exactly like he did a split S on purpose. The spit S is a very cool maneuver, especially when your passenger doesn't know it's coming - LOL.
@stevegiboney4493
3 жыл бұрын
My instructor did that to me, I blurted out Oh Shit, Oh Shit! Not used to seeing grass in the windscreen instead of horizon. It accomplished what he intended....😳
@magnustorque5528
2 жыл бұрын
Recovery is simple if you have your act together and you understand the science. But losing 500 feet in the process is what kills people in the traffic pattern.
@justadreamin1004
9 ай бұрын
I never heard anything about this dangerous turn when I learned. I learned plenty about the departure stall on climb out. I am thinking this is about good pattern management (not over-shooting on the base). I saw the ball on the T&B on the lower left of the panel - he was in a skid. Always "keep the snake's head inside the cage (lines)" with the rudder pedals.
@CFITOMAHAWK
5 ай бұрын
Try them with a 20 knnot TAILWIND while trying to align from a short approach. 3,000 agl, Big highway below, plan to a tailwind on base leg, sim been on downwind leg to turn left, 30 degree away from numbers, do power off, turn 30 bank first, then 45 degree bank whn overshoot and pull hard to try to align.. =accelerated stall. kick top rudder hard to recover.
@emergencylowmaneuvering7350
5 ай бұрын
They are not demonstrating it with scenarios like that we practices. Not relating it to any situation. Very dumb practice. We did them at 3,000 agl simulating a runway at 2,500 agl. More realistic scenario. Planning a short approach with a tailwind on base area.
@Rico11b
3 жыл бұрын
First time I was ever in a spin. My instructor asked me to sit on my hands. Then he performed a spin and quick recovery. I was left seat of course, and when the left wing dropped I started screaming and yelling at the top of my lungs. He recovered and I began to beg for forgiveness and said how sorry I was over and over again for screaming into his ears and destroying his hearing. He said to me, "you never said a word, and I never heard a sound from you except 1 grunt". We both laughed when we realized it was all inside my head. He said he thought I was a cool as a cucumber and that nothing must ever frighten me. I said, "nope I wasn't cool, inside I was falling to pieces". I asked him to do a couple more and the fear and shock started to dissipate.
@anonymous-yg1hy
2 жыл бұрын
He was just making you feel better. You were really screaming. ;)
@charleswesley9907
2 жыл бұрын
@@anonymous-yg1hy Check those panties for bite marks
@colbertbd
11 ай бұрын
... and you might have peed a little.
@Rico11b
11 ай бұрын
@@colbertbd hahaha.... not that I'll admit to, but it's possible. ;)
@clarencegreen3071
Ай бұрын
As a kid, I read everything I could get my hands on about airplanes. The tail spin was to be avoided at all cost. Later, during pilot training, I rode through my first spin demo with my feet planted firmly on the floor and both hands gripping the bottom of the seat. It was not so bad even though I was totally disoriented.
@washburnb1
5 ай бұрын
3000 years of science advances yet you can't hear anything on aircraft radio. I'm amazed anyone lives.
@robertocabiati493
6 ай бұрын
Good that you showed this kid early in his training. I see airline pilots that have no clue on how to use the rudder
@frederickwhite6416
3 жыл бұрын
I've inherited students that had already made that a bad habit. I had to work with 1 guy for quite some time. I did the same thing with him until he got frustrated with me. So he moved to a different instructor. By the time he was done he'd gone through all of our instructors as well as 2 other FBOs on the field. He decided to go elsewhere and a few days later a pal phoned me asking,"what the hell I'd sent him?" I just had to laugh. He came to me with 60 hours and had soloed so I thought it would be a breeze, wrong. Nice young man but not sure if he ever made it. Get them flying correctly from the start. I guess you really can't teach an old dog new tricks sometimes.
@babatundefafiyebi9669
6 ай бұрын
Please tell us his bad habits..
@JakesMusicPalace
7 ай бұрын
In a 172 you can’t spin it, it is an incipient spin, it’s different. After 4 revolutions you are in trouble because of airspeed issues reaching Vne. Always be careful to watch the airspeed and practice altitudes in these practice maneuvers, and never spin more than absolutely necessary. 3 turns is my maximum. Practice getting out in less than 2 and you might live to talk about it. The flight school I learned at was pissed when they saw the log book showing spin certification in their airplane, their insurance didn’t allow it. So ask before you choose a qualified spin instructor and check his log book to make sure he/she has current experience in that type aircraft. So many of these young instructors think they are bullet proof and love the adrenaline rush. As you approach Vne remember that you must add control inputs gently the greater the air speed, or structural failure is more likely to occur, especially elevator inputs. Get the power off as quickly as possible when you enter the spin, this gives you correction time before Vne is achieved.
@ksb2112
6 ай бұрын
It's been a while, but I did spin training in glider. A spin is a 1G maneurver, meaning that your speed will stabilize. No exceeding the Vne is important once you recover and start pulling back on the stick. In my practice, for instance, we did 6 turns before initiating recovery. And it was a freaking blast.
@igclapp
2 күн бұрын
How do you reach Vne in a 172 in a spin? I don't think you are talking about a spin but rather a steep spiral.
@JuliusG73
2 жыл бұрын
I did spin training last month. I actually loved doing them. My head unfortunately doesn't. :-(. I am capable of doing 5-6 per session before I start getting sick. Mentally never got freaked out. Some people I guess are the other way around. Iron constitution but mentally freak out.
@rinzler9775
6 ай бұрын
I used to do aerobatics, and would get horribly sick. I did some "training" daily just a simple turning around and around on the spot, eyes open, deliberately trying to make myself sick - after a while you build up a resistance.
@JuliusG73
6 ай бұрын
@@rinzler9775 Thanks for that. I know the pirate ship at the amusement park makes me sick but roller coasters do not. I used the analogy of negative Gs to positive Gs doing something with my bloodflow, causing this dilemma. Do you think I can build up a tolerance to that? I know breathing slow and heavy kept me from passing out after I was done the spinning.
@rinzler9775
6 ай бұрын
@@JuliusG73 its all about your eyes seeing something different to what your balance says - its a natural defence mechanism against poisoning. This is why if you look sideways out of a car as the passenger, you tend to get sick versus looking ahead at the road. Couple that with G forces, and you can feel like your chewed up and spat out the first few times. If you want to build yourself a "natural "pressure suit" - doing calisthenics and being fit helps - especially hanging leg raises. It will take time. Going up in the aerobatics plane will push your boundaries of tolerance, so a "normal" plane will feel like nothing.
@user-jh5fm7ci6o
8 ай бұрын
If you over shoot final to much and can not correct - GO AROUND AND THEN COMMUNICATE YOUR INTENTION OF A GO AROUND TO EITHER THE TOWER OR ON CTAF AT NON-TOWERED. Going around is not a bad thing.
@clayton4115
4 ай бұрын
nice demonstration is this in Australia ?
@danielbuttard
4 ай бұрын
Yes … Sydney Bankstown training area
@clayton4115
4 ай бұрын
@@danielbuttard ok thanks
@kitkat0981
Жыл бұрын
im trying to comprehend this (audio is a little bad). He is stating that people use rudder only on base to final? this would be considered an uncoordinated turn no? Im a newer pilot myself (175hrs) but that seems like heavy rudder inputs he's putting on and then adding ailerons possibly simulating overshooting the final path?
@clayton4115
4 ай бұрын
that is what he is trying to demonstrate, an overshoot and hard use of rudder and opposite aileron
@N1611n
2 жыл бұрын
Yaw, roll, spin.
@22vx
3 жыл бұрын
Wow holy shit 😳
@dr_jaymz
11 ай бұрын
You ever see a video and think its talking directly to you? Because thats the same as my plane! I tend to carry 85kt on that final turn with first stage of flap and then slow it to 75kt full flap and then down to 62kt over the hedge. I've done a turn power off at 70kt as best glide is 72kt and it is too slow.
@SergioHidalgoAero
2 жыл бұрын
Hello Daniel, I am creating a video talking about basic maneuvers in aircraft, and I will cover thos sudden spins, would you allow me to use a piece of this video? of course I will typo credits on screen to you. Thanks mate
@danielbuttard
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, no problems
@pgnandt
7 ай бұрын
Need subtitles.
@user-jh5fm7ci6o
8 ай бұрын
Almost know this from common sense. full left rudder and left aileron is not a pretty site picture. Even flying with to much rudder (skid) makes the plane feel wonky. Uncoordinated but I like the word wonky better.
@wuffa4503
8 ай бұрын
Yes but a skid in level flight is a very good way to lose altitude while maintaining speed on a final over obstructions and in to a short field.I have done it many times.
@hamiltonv.pisanoetal6769
3 жыл бұрын
What are people’s opinions on what this pilot (Frank Pisano) did wrong when trying to effect an emergency landing at John Wayne Airport? This crash occurred nearly FOUR YEARS ago, and the NTSB still hasn’t issued a final report. *The Moment a Small Plane Crashes on the 405 Freeway, Santa Ana at John Wayne Airport* kzitem.info/news/bejne/mZyJt2dupGebaY4 *Cessna 310R CRASHES on 405 Freeway after RIGHT ENGINE FAILURE!* kzitem.info/news/bejne/xKV_tqidnql6jHY Just after surviving the crash, the pilot (Frank Pisano) informed the CHP that he had tried to effect the turn at about 350 feet AGL. However, in the last couple of months he changed his story and with help of his attorney said that he was at 500 feet AGL when he tried to effect a 180 degree turn to the RIGHT with the RIGHT engine “INOPERATIVE” (so he claims). Then just yesterday, during his deposition, Pisano changed his story again and said he was at 650 feet AGL when he tried to effect this 180-degree turn banking on the DEAD engine. During the deposition, my attorney reminded Pisano of his (written) statement made under penalty of perjury that he was at 500 feet AGL when he tried to effect the turn. Then, during the deposition, Pisano said, “Well maybe it was about 600 feet.” During the deposition, Pisano also stated that the “recommended altitude for the traffic pattern [was] 1,000 feet” for runway 20R. Pisano stated that this “flight pattern” altitude had nothing to do with trying to perform his base-to-final, but was just a recommendation by the airport so that pilots didn’t collide with high-rise buildings in the area. The manual states that in a single-engine out situation, t”he pilot should land the plane as soon as practical.” Pisano claims that (even though he had enough fuel to get to his destination in Arizona), that with one engine still OPERATING just fine, he was following the recommendation in the manual. We hired a retired US Navy pilot who disagrees with Pisano.
@donmark9126
6 ай бұрын
why is this guy ignoring his stall warning
@babatundefafiyebi9669
6 ай бұрын
Why not just make the turn from base to final more rounder instead of making it so steep…?
@gcvincent3989
6 ай бұрын
900 ft. Airspeed was up to Vne.
@danielbuttard
6 ай бұрын
VNE on that aircraft is 178kts. The airspeed never went above 130…
@BillPalmer
6 ай бұрын
Hard to read that airspeed indicator.
@gcvincent3989
6 ай бұрын
@@BillPalmer when you’ve looked at them as much as I have instructing for years you don’t have any problem interpreting what the needle says.
@BillPalmer
6 ай бұрын
@@gcvincent3989 Just saying with the video resolution the numbers are unreadable. We can make out the white arc, but can't tell where VNE is. Thanks for saying what the actual range was .
@BoringFlightVids
2 жыл бұрын
I start ppl on tuesday, but play the hell out of sims. And when he said give it rudder and opposite aeleron im like wait, 🤔☝️✌👍👎, isnt that how you fly upside down or do a barrel roll?....then the plane flipped over 😂😂
@jonasbaine3538
2 жыл бұрын
Got your ppl now? What you flying now?
@mizzyroro
6 ай бұрын
Did he not intend for that to happen? 😮
@troyjollimore4100
6 ай бұрын
Yes. An EXAMPLE of a ‘deadly’ turn, if it was made at 500 ft or so. Click bait title.
@cavoksimulations.1725
2 жыл бұрын
Can someone people explain how people get into this situation?
@danielbuttard
2 жыл бұрын
Most of the time it’s using rudder to correct overshooting the runway when turning into final. Using rudder will point the nose of the aircraft towards the runway, aircraft will also bank and pilot will correct with opposite ailerons while still using the rudder and … you are gone into a spin at 400ft AGL
@cavoksimulations.1725
2 жыл бұрын
@@danielbuttard ahhh okay, makes perfect sense now. Thank you, I appreciate the response!
@tinman8972
2 жыл бұрын
It's madness to do any more than 30 degree banks below 2,000 feet AGL. You can stall an aircraft at ANY speed. Why push your luck?
@Cosmonnor_
10 ай бұрын
There is nothing wrong with more than 30° below 2000 AGL. 1500 AGL is the minimum altitude for most of the commercial maneuvers. Even at or below that altitude, proper coordination means your risk of a stall-spin situation is minimal, and just because you can stall at any airspeed, doesn't mean you won't be faster than that stall speed during those >30° turns.
@BillPalmer
6 ай бұрын
Nearly a 20% increase in stall speed in a steady 45° banked turn. Keep a safe margin above that speed and you’ll be fine.
@clarencegreen3071
Ай бұрын
True or False? You can't stall an airplane without pulling back on the stick.
@EinkOLED
3 жыл бұрын
Look at that airspeed increase. It's not just the loss in altitude, it's the airspeed beyond VNE.
@danielbuttard
3 жыл бұрын
We never exceeded VNE. On that aircraft (category aerobatic btw) VNE is at 178 KT. We reached 130 at best.
@citabriaable
6 ай бұрын
Clickbait !!!!!!!😖😖
@rfichokeofdestiny
6 ай бұрын
Yep. Not only could you not hear anything being said, but absolutely nobody died in this “deadly” video. 🙄
@joewaldner6986
6 ай бұрын
Click bate headlines suck.
@danielbuttard
6 ай бұрын
Really??? You wanted to see an actual crash??? I shared this as it is a learning for all pilots. I surely hope you don’t fly cause it must suck flying with you.
@joewaldner6986
6 ай бұрын
@@danielbuttard What was 'Deadly' about the turn when no one dies?
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