I work at a Toyota dealership. We don't install anything like this on any of our vehicles. Finance or Cash and we definitely don't agree with these. New Toyotas already come with built in telemetry form the factory. These GPS add ons are interfering with what is already there and that's what's messing with the connection with any OBD II Scan tools. Basically two different languages trying to talk over each other to gain dominance and this in turn is causing a constant draw on the battery which is probably why you're battery died so soon. We take these off with any cars that comes through our shop from a different dealership.
@bobkelly2447
3 ай бұрын
well that answers all his questions ! problem is hardly anyone will bother reading your comment.... it's sad that the factory does this but not surprising.... at all are they doing it just so they can have years of cars out on the market to meet California's mandates ? who knows, but this covert BS needs to stop !
@shubus
3 ай бұрын
Built in telemetry on new Toyota's, hey? I don't want that. How do I disable that. Neither Toyota, my insurance company or anyone else should be getting that info.
@trishapollock2887
3 ай бұрын
Apparently not????
@robertm1672
3 ай бұрын
@Anthony do yes, many dealerships do. And/or they're installed before they ever leave the factory under contract with dealership/transpo when shipped to high risk areas. Basically all of Texas is high risk. Once you buy the vehicle, you do have the right to remove it. And depending on state, you may have to return it.
@VndNvwYvvSvv
2 ай бұрын
Downvote all clickbait
@BigRalphSmith
3 ай бұрын
The fact that the dealer denied it and then changed their story after proving the device was there tells you everything you need to know.
@balabay77
3 ай бұрын
Sue the stealership
@therenegadeviking1454
2 ай бұрын
Yeah, and the one prick " Mike " (says he works at a Toyota Dealership) probably knows all about it. He's probably one of the higher up managers trying to keep this a secret. Know why ? Cause they're getting a shit ton of money from the insurance companies like State Farm. So what dealership do you work for Mikey ?...do you get your parts from Central Atlantic ??
@digitalbilly
23 күн бұрын
SHARE THE DEALERSHIP NAME SO WE AVOID SHOPPING THERE
@TechnoMageB5
3 ай бұрын
You know that feeling you get when you suspect your spouse is cheating on you once some evidence is found? Then you investigate and gather more evidence before confronting them, only to have them 1) Deny everything, until you show proof, then 2) Give you a watered down version inclusive of the evidence you presented, and when you confront them with more questions, you catch them in more lies and prove it again, by which time you realize 3) You can't trust anything that comes out of their mouth, as they are only trying to protect their own reputation and they do not care about what you think or feel AT ALL. That's the vibe I got from the dealership recap.
@Plasmastorm73_n5evv
3 ай бұрын
Agreed. I had a similar feeling.
@christytodd2619
3 ай бұрын
Were you, or are you, married to my former caught in the act adulterer?😊
@dougthomson5544
24 күн бұрын
This is a fine example of how our privacy has become a commercial product. The danger is that we are becoming inured to these continuous invasions of our privacy. It is another step in the kleptocratic march to destroy our democratic norms.
@icemule
7 күн бұрын
Who hurt you?
@tomslick5951
3 ай бұрын
I bought a used Nissan Frontier a couple of years ago from a "used" only dealer. They made me pay $548 for this in finance after we already inked the deal! I told them I didn't want it. They claimed I had no choice. I came home, removed it and threw it away. I wonder how many years they've been pulling this scam?! WTF Bro?!
@leftyo9589
3 ай бұрын
thats when you tell them see ya, not buying it form you.
@rodgersrcaviation2785
3 ай бұрын
@@leftyo9589yep
@rodgersrcaviation2785
3 ай бұрын
As long as u don’t miss a payment they prob won’t ever know u removed it. But if they look and see it’s gone it may be an issue. Depends on how your contract was worded.
@rodgersrcaviation2785
3 ай бұрын
Additionally. Where there is one there is normally two. I’m an installer of these units. Normally a wired in one is installed for u to find. And an additional fully standalone(wireless). Unit is installed also. Will be a black box A little bigger than a pack of cigs. Hidden much much better than the first unit. You can hide them anywhere in the vehicle. They fall behind panels and under consoles so well they become impossible to find if u don’t know they there.
@rodgersrcaviation2785
3 ай бұрын
With the 500 buck plus fee they charged u. I’m almost certain both went in. The wired and wireless units only cost 100-125 dollars each. So 2 units is 250 max 100% mark up makes it 500. And it’s a 100 to install them both the math says u probably still being tracked man. Sorry for the news
@oldtc3615
3 ай бұрын
I worked at a dealer. The reason these are installed are for several reasons. Technically the dealer owns the car before you do so they can do what they want. But they get a discount or it may be required by the insurance company they have to install them. So as soon as they come off the truck they automatically get installed for anti theft and insurance reasons and is usually done when they inspect the car as required by the manufacturer before they are allowed to deliver it. When they sell the car they will try to sell you the GPS protection since it's already installed and make a profit off of it at a wide margin to pay for all the others. However if you don't buy it, it's just another cost and expense to remove it again. It actually costs more to remove it than the unit costs assuming the GPS manufacture allows it to be registered to another vehicle. So they leave it in and let the service for that unit expire without registering it to you unless you paid for it. The dealer does not want you to know this because it can now be defeated easily if criminals know this. It also shows that dealers try to sell this to customers to cover an expense they have to do business. The actual low cost of the hardware to the dealer would also shock you compared to what they charge you retail and the GPS manufactures also don't want you to know this. It's actually the result of GPS makers, insurance companies and dealerships working together in effort to maximize profits for each of them.
@davestevens4193
3 ай бұрын
Technically the bank that floors their inventory owns the car...not the dealer.
@paulm749
3 ай бұрын
Wrong in this case. The car was never on the dealer's lot or in its inventory and the buyer was present the day it was delivered to the dealer. Whatever is going on here, the dealer needs to volunteer the truth about it right up front before the purchase is made. The fact that this is being hidden from the buyer and that the dealer is obviously lying when confronted about it are huge red flags that the dealer realizes buyers would NOT want to have this installed if given the choice. There is no good excuse for this and it needs to stop. NOW.
@oldtc3615
3 ай бұрын
@@paulm749 The car was on the lot. They are required to do "predelivery inspections" to make sure wheels are bolted on, wash it, peel off the shipping martials, install loose items, inspect for damage, stuff like that before it is sold. The truck delivered it to the dealer and most likely the dealer ordered it and at this point it's not paid in full yet. Now perhaps knowing that the dealer had this car on the way it's possible that he agreed to buy it. But it's very rare that the customer has ordered it AND purchases it in full before it was delivered. The only time that usually happens is for fleet companies and such. But you can also have "courtesy" deliveries and that's when you buy the car outright and the factory ships the car to a dealer you request it sent to. In that case the dealer does not even order the car.
@oldtc3615
3 ай бұрын
@@davestevens4193 That's assuming the dealership uses a bank for that. Most do. But many don't and actually own the inventory.
@alanyoder7629
3 ай бұрын
I call bullshit.
@msrotti2362
2 ай бұрын
The tracker is for you car insurance company to monitor your driving which in turn affects your rates. They also track with app's on your phone.
@r.kilsby1323
2 ай бұрын
Like the car seats in the back seat. No sarcasm, like dad is bringing up future gear heads.
@BrimHawk
3 ай бұрын
I'm hooked. I wanna know what happens now.
@1776mikew
3 ай бұрын
Me too
@jamesgeorge4874
3 ай бұрын
Nothing.
@charlesyoung7436
3 ай бұрын
Expect a cash settlement with a non disclosure agreement. This means *crickets*.
@jamesgeorge4874
3 ай бұрын
@@charlesyoung7436 Expect nothing to happen. The seller most likely has the device in the sales contract / purchase agreement wording buried somewhere that the customer agreed to, when they signed it. Especially if it was financed through the dealer....
@lindalisak9823
2 ай бұрын
Thank you for your follow up. It's obvious you know cars. Have a great day!
@juanitaimhoff9844
3 ай бұрын
This happened to me also with another brand car, that was paid off at delivery. When I questioned them why I was told that my credit rating was so low they wanted to keep track of the car to insure payment, BUT IT WAS PAID FOR IN CASHIERS CHECK WHEN I TOOK DELIVERY! They took off the GPS and tried to sweep it under the rug. No such luck I told everyone I could find that bought a car from that dealership about this trackers. From what I know there were a few others who were being tracked.
@ZacmanTheRed
2 ай бұрын
Even if only "one person" at the dealership has access to the GPS data, that's one MORE person than I'd like tracking my every move, thanks!
@JamesTran04
3 ай бұрын
Initially I was with everyone else and saying this video probably could have been 7 mins shorter. But reading through all the comments and how many people still comment the wrong answer even after he says in the video makes me agree now that the he needed to do the Q&A at the beginning.
@georgieippolito9924
3 ай бұрын
I would take the sim card out, put it in my portable router for free wifi anywhere I go! I don't even have to pay the bill
@claudialupper
3 ай бұрын
If that works it is a great idea!
@mycharmedunicorn8715
2 ай бұрын
Would it do that?
@georgieippolito9924
2 ай бұрын
@@mycharmedunicorn8715 depends on what portable router you buy. Just have one that takes the same sim card. I'd gladly purchase another portable router if the sim card doesn't match my other one.
@tybrady4598
3 ай бұрын
Maybe the Toyota factory installs a GPS tracker in i.e. every 100th vehicle for some sort of study?
@jeremiahsmith6689
3 ай бұрын
if I didn't have the car in my thumbnail I would want a manual version of yours
@JasonGear91
3 ай бұрын
Good thing GR Corollas only come in manual 👍🏼
@ayrproductions
3 ай бұрын
Betting it was so they could see whether or not you took it to a track day so they could void your warranty the second you do.
@stuartstuart866
3 ай бұрын
I imagine the manufacturer records parameter breaches with their built in systems, if you over stress the engine they can prove misuse and void the warranty. I think they are justified in doing this.
@NarwahlGaming
3 ай бұрын
Imagine driving your car to the track because your buddy is going to be testing out his modded '89 Mazda and your warranty is canceled "because you entered the facility" - even though you didn't race. 1984 stuff.
@stuartstuart866
3 ай бұрын
@@NarwahlGaming The engine computer tracks rpm’s, temperatures, speed. Driving to the track won’t get the warranty company too excited
@johnt.848
Ай бұрын
@@stuartstuart866 No they aren't, they can't sell you a road legal race car with a free track day included then void warranty because you exceeded 85MPH. That is false advertising and fraud.
@DoRullings
3 ай бұрын
You seems to be in a pretty good and cheerful state, especially considering you found a hidden GPS tracker in your car. Well done, mate!
@michaelholopainen2822
2 ай бұрын
Putting GPS tracker on someone elses car is no-no, most places it might be a crime. But the explanation of dealer makes sense. "Never attribute to malice something that can easily be explained by incompetence." The mechanics might not know the customer is waiting at the office or other details irrelevant to service of the car. If the dealer has a security issues, tracking cars stored at dealer makes sense and is beneficialt to customer- you know - not losing their car. But dealer should get system with GEO fense, so they would get alert if any of the trackers leave dealers area. This way would allow catching the car thief in progress and prevent forgetting tracker to customer's car. I think compensations are in order, at vary least brand new same model - or better - installed as it drained and damaged customers battery.
@theextremepopecuuer8511
2 ай бұрын
I just hope this all ends ok on your end and love the content
@brotherscoobs
3 ай бұрын
I watched your previous video...I was a toyota tech snd subaru tech....I also did a 8+ yr stint ad an installer ( car stereo and security ) ...that part was absolutely not a factory part
@MrJaxco
3 ай бұрын
Don't know if this has been mentioned... but some dealerships directly speak with and mention the gps trackers and they are in the sale contract you sign upon purchase. Have your attorney look over the sales contract to make sure you aren't breaching contract by removing the device.
@MrJaxco
3 ай бұрын
OK, you checked and verified with attorney. Made comment before you touched on those facts.
@WhiteDoberman
3 ай бұрын
Viral is the definition of a naturally successful watched ________ . You can't plan viral. Good follow up.
@prjndigo
3 ай бұрын
Its not "out of their pocket"... *you* paid for that tracker and its installation.
@leonk8113
3 ай бұрын
Shady industry
@ChuckoMountain-fv9yj
3 ай бұрын
Did the Batmobile have one of these devious devices under the dash?
@grayrabbit2211
3 ай бұрын
It's a very honest industry compared to the US healthcare system...
@carlsatan4785
2 ай бұрын
I hope this story sees a court room. I have no idea what authorization a dealership might think they have to install a tracker on a vehicle that is not their property. Frankly, I don't understand how theft would be a reason. Even if your car is stolen, you don't typically call your dealership, you call your insurance and 911. Looks like the other comment suggests this vehicle may have come to the dealership with a tracker. If so, that had better be a fully legit registered tracker with the manufacturer, or this car could not be sold as new I would assume. That tracker looked like an Amazon special that some shop owner decided to do without communicating with corporate. If that is the case, I don't believe it excuses anybody since it was still all done internally.
@videoscrapheap
3 ай бұрын
The only scenario that makes sense is that they do routinely install trackers on high value cars to protect them before delivery but the tech doing the PDI wasn’t aware or forgot that this car was going to be immediately picked up by the customer.
@M_IkeLeBlanc
3 ай бұрын
Great video Anthony! Now that we know you are in Houston, I can pretty much guess the dealership. Good luck.
@jamesgeorge4874
3 ай бұрын
Chances are the vehicle already has wireless connectivity to your phone, and is reporting on you to someone anyway....m
@jbrou123
3 ай бұрын
It doesn't even need to be WiFi to your phone, nor does your phone need to be in the car. Most newer cars have built in connectivity with its own cell modem. My '21 Ford has it. That's how I can see where it's parked, lock/unlock, and remote start it through my phone, even if miles away. In Ford's case, the vehicle connectivity is through AT%T mobile services.
@lvsluggo007
3 ай бұрын
My current car is a 2013, it has no "wireless connectivity" and it will be the car I drive till I can't drive anymore. There is NO WAY IN HELL I would EVER buy a car that can report my activities to someone else. I'm 74 years old.
@rodgersrcaviation2785
3 ай бұрын
@@lvsluggo007. Ok I’m an auto technician of 25 yrs. What model 2013 do you have cause yes even some that old already had the ability to track. Please tell me it’s not a Chevy. Chevy (onstar). Has done it since the early 2000s
@Make-Asylums-Great-Again
3 ай бұрын
I dont have a phone, I use a pager.
@jamesgeorge4874
3 ай бұрын
@@rodgersrcaviation2785 older onstar services were terminated years ago, when GM implemented digital systems..
@Wade9170
2 ай бұрын
They don't pay for a tracker. The cost is passed along to the consumer even though the consumer is not aware of it being on the car!
@OMC7697
3 ай бұрын
My old car had a gps tracker installed by a dealer that I accidentally found. My car would randomly refuse to start. I brought it numerous times to the dealer an "they could not find anything wrong"... eventually they wanted to charge me for a new DME to which I declined and lived with the issue. One day a friend tried to scan via ODBII and it kept failing then he pulled on the connector to see what's wrong and showed me cut wires later that day I was trying to mend the ODBII wires when the GPS tracker fell out, I removed it mended the wires they cut to install it and suddenly... I no longer had start issues. GPS on cars are way more common than you think
@KAdesignz808
3 ай бұрын
Does the gps have to do with the Toyota app? That tracks your car too.
@antdo
3 ай бұрын
No. The Toyota app would use the built in one. It wouldn't be dependent on a third party aftermarket one the dealership installed.
@Havoc62
Ай бұрын
This is particularly interesting given that Toyota has recently denied 2 people warranty coverage after their GR Corollas caught fire. Both owners were accused of going over the speed limit. Funny how Toyota used that excuse to deny claim coverage. Wonder where they could've gotten that information from 🤔. Interesting indeed...
@SewingBoxDesigns
3 ай бұрын
The worst part is that Buttigig guy is trying to pass a law to have these in every car in the US to track us by the mile. 🤣🤣🤣 "ANTI-GRAVITY, THE BATTERY FOR YOUR FLYING CAR!". We have that jump start feature on our solar batteries, too. Life saver feature.
@GSP-76
3 ай бұрын
That looks like something the dealership would offer as an option. It's not like those things are cheap to buy/install.
@brianries88
3 ай бұрын
Anthony, show us slowly how to recognize these and remove them .
@johnt.848
Ай бұрын
He did in the previous video.
@vizagothx7294
3 ай бұрын
houston pd is dirty dirty.. i would not be surprised if they requested that local dealers put trackers on performance vehicles so they can see if you're street racing.
@xXnxanatorXx
3 ай бұрын
Anthony its your tracker now add your own sim in there and boom you can track it for worst case scenario
@Apophion
3 ай бұрын
They place these on cars to sell your driving habits to a third party data company. The problem is that insurance companies can buy this data and have your driving habits. GM is also famous for it.
@atticusseverus
3 ай бұрын
I know companies work to harvest any and all data they can from us to sell OUR DATA in ways we don't want.....but I'll admit I didn't expect to learn a company would violated a clear statement rejecting to be tracked and would go off and do it anyway leading to an easy court case against them meaning they clearly make enough money off what data they are stealing to make it worth it. For me personally I want to state clearly "Thank you mate" for posting this info, I'm not on fb not after they banned me for simply liking/agreeing with a comment so that's one source of info I don't access anymore.
@GenderSkins
3 ай бұрын
Who really knows why that dealership put a GPS tracker on your car, or if it was the dealership and not something that the car left with from the Factory to track the vehicle during shipping. For all I know it may have been something the trucking company that delivered the car installed for transport reason. All I know is that 10 years ago or so, this crap would never have happened and if it had when I was working on car's it would have been promptly removed if a customer wanted us to remove it. But this strikes me as illegal as putting 90 weight oil into a car to stop it from smoking just to get it off the lot.
@shahab_shawn_siahpoosh
2 ай бұрын
Our judicial system is a joke that a dealer can claim a defamation suit for this.
@Klannahar
2 ай бұрын
At least they should inform u about that when u bought it, it have a GPS tracker installed and they have access to the data. They forget to inform u about, so...
@craigl6978
3 ай бұрын
So the big question, should we as customers if we have found one of these trackers in our vehicle and it has zero reason to be there, and we have been lied to by the dealer in the same fashion, should we retain a lawyer? I am in CA where and I actually work in car audio so I know exactly what these things are and nefarious reasons the dealers use them but I dont know the laws around them being able to do this?
@riccochet704
3 ай бұрын
Funny. I "ordered" a 2021 Jeep Gladiator. Special order specced the way I wanted it. Was paying cash, put down a large deposit. When we sat down in finance to pay off the remainder they had tacked on about $3000 in additional "dealer options" that I had not agreed to on the initial contract to purchase. They tinted the windows, which I was going to do anyways, added paint/fabric protection (which is bullshit scam product), PPF door edge guards, and GPS tracking. When I questioned all of this their response was that every one of THEIR vehicles receives these items. I pointed out that this was not THEIR vehicle, my name was on the window sticker. This was not a dealer order or allotment. I did not agree to any of those items when I signed the original contract. Contract, legally binding contract. Then told them they were going to deduct that amount or I walk and sue them, drive to the next dealer and re-order the vehicle. I had taken pictures of all their documents to cover my arse. I suggest everyone do this, every document they make you sign take a picture of it after signing it. Sheisty dealers have been known to alter documents after the fact to screw people over. They did remove the charges, as they knew they were fugged at that point. When I was outside walking around the truck the general manager came out to talk to me. Said he was sorry for the miscommunication and confusion. I was like "that's all well and good, but where the f*** is that GPS tracker?". Oh, it's installed and would require a service appointment to remove. That was not going to happen. So I started digging under the dash, installed alarms for years I can spot aftermarket equipment easily. Yup, OBD piggyback. I ripped that crap out and tossed in on the ground right there. Here's your f***ing GPS tracker back. If I find another one, or anything else nefariously installed, you'll be receiving it along with a lawsuit.
@mortsims
3 ай бұрын
gmc dealer in kalamazoo years ago tried to raise the price on me when i had went home to get my checkbook. i had the price in writing that they gave me one hour before. i told them i was going to contact the state attorney generals office and the local tv station. that did the trick.
@sheepdog3828
3 ай бұрын
Thank you for telling me where to look for it. We were skillfully manipulated, and once I got home, I saw the GPS charge! Yeah, it's my fault I'll own it. Now gonna yank it out. Was told I had to activate it so they don't have to track it. I ain't pay a sub fee for it and F them for their psychological mind games. They got me good!!!. Been over ten years since we bought a vehicle. So was not aware of such shenanigans! Wow....!
@jmistret419
3 ай бұрын
From what i understand california is gonna make them standard on any new vehicle so they can track your mileage to charge you a road fee because they are forcing ev's and realized their gas tax revenue is dropping. Crazy
@sheepdog3828
3 ай бұрын
@jmistret419 Newsome pushing for 30 cents per mile tax, yeah and whoopi
@saladlamp2092
3 ай бұрын
When I bought a car I asked for copies of all the paperwork I signed and they refused. So I took out my phone and started taking pictures of it all. They weren't happy.
@K5JHP-John
3 ай бұрын
If an ex puts a GPS tracker on your car without your permission, that's a felony. Should be the same for a dealer.
@tid418
3 ай бұрын
My guess is that it is with your permission, buried in the 90 pages of documents people never read before signing.
@csnide6702
3 ай бұрын
it is
@Odayian420
3 ай бұрын
The thing is people assumed when they pull a car off the lot they own it. Until that last payment is paid it's not your vehicle. It's the bank. The banks require it before giving a loan. They want to know they can find the vehicle if you don't make a payment.
@theshadowoftruth7561
3 ай бұрын
@@Odayian420 He paid Cash for the vehicle.
@Odayian420
3 ай бұрын
@@theshadowoftruth7561 it doesn't matter those things are installed when the cars come on to the lot. They don't necessarily have to remove them it probably would cost them more to remove it. Because they probably ordered these GPS trackers by the truckload.
@Maxid1
3 ай бұрын
Not being lied to at a car dealership would have shocked me.
@chrisofthehoovers4055
2 ай бұрын
Came here to say the same thing lmao
@Lex-Rex
3 ай бұрын
They put these in all the cars at the Volkswagen dealership where I going to buy mine and then they tried to charge me 500 bucks for it when I went to sign the papers. They said they install it to track inventory and auto theft and just keep them in the car and you can activate it via a subscription. I told them I do not want it nor do I want to pay for it and they flat out refused to remove it. Long story short, I went to a different Volkswagen dealership and bought my vehicle there.
@geniferteal4178
3 ай бұрын
Way to stick to your guns.
@jeffstrains4014
3 ай бұрын
@@allanszast7579 I think its worse then we realize, my job has me in a enterprise rental its a 2023 limited ford expedition. I have been in this SUV for little over 2 months waiting on my company fleet car. SO during this enterprise has contacted me several times for service oil changes etc. Asking how they track it all assuming they had installed monitoring equipment guy said no the software on the car is designed to do this. Giving it is its own hotspot communicates that way.
@nathangoshawk
3 ай бұрын
@@allanszast7579If you pay attention to the video Anthony was advised by his lawyer not to name the dealer to avoid the possibility of legal action by them. That's good advice for anybody.
@kathikapp6707
3 ай бұрын
Money talks, bs walks!
@Ken-wv2wg
3 ай бұрын
Same thing happened to me at a Toyota dealer. I bought a Corolla for my daughter and they tried to up sell me on an anti theft tracker “similar to low jack” for $500. I declined and they said it was already installed. I still declined so they said ok they would throw it in for free.
@prm5798
3 ай бұрын
Dealers will deny every thing, unless you have proof otherwise. Ignore the haters, keep us updated on the situation.
@Hate---Love
2 ай бұрын
Yes! Tag me when part 3 drops 👀
@derdes4475
3 ай бұрын
I'm dying over the Antigravity Battery thing... Thanks for the update!
@petergrunendahl8799
2 ай бұрын
😂 Me tooooooo
@BlestinTexas24
2 ай бұрын
Yes, I am a lay person who likes to know things. Did know there was such a thing as an AG Battery. He is one smart fellow!
@nolanadam1093
2 ай бұрын
It's a old ,old idea I installed lots in Rvs for smart people !Called a isolater it leaves enough charge so it can be started after being parked and not started for awhile ! So u dont have a Braking bad no start Rv!
@Stratos1988
21 күн бұрын
Imagine if he also added there's black hole wax on his car... skipping the Poorboys part
@ballentphoto
3 ай бұрын
Imagine everyone putting the active SIM card into burner phones and traveling the world. Those roaming charges. 😂
@Sashazur
3 ай бұрын
Nice idea but it is probably slow 3G and only works in North America. The car dealer doesn’t want to spend more than a dime necessary.
@izoyt
3 ай бұрын
probably state sponsored..
@uberfine
3 ай бұрын
@JasonBourne-hu1ox what is a kost carrier?
@ballentphoto
3 ай бұрын
@@uberfine I think they meant most carriers. The US dumped 3g a few years ago. My current vehicle is no longer able to connect to the 3g cell network without purchasing a 4g module.
@alsavage1
3 ай бұрын
@@ballentphoto Lucky you, Toyota won't even sell me a 4G upgrade module for mine, at any price. All telematics are gone now.
@frankthatank4818
3 ай бұрын
Not sure what’s worse. Things like this or additional dealer mark ups that make me despise dealerships more.
@AnotherWisenedOne
3 ай бұрын
That is why I have referred to them as STEALERSHIPS for many years now.
@andrewromig9753
3 ай бұрын
Back in '07 I bought an Acura TSX 6MT new under very similar circumstances: buying for cash with my car coming straight off the trailer. One of the salesmen asked me to sign the invoice with all the usual charges (tax, title, license, selected options, etc.) itemized as narrowly as possible to bulk up the list to almost a full page - evidently they didn't expect me to actually read it because when I did I discovered a $200 "Showroom Prep Fee". I mentioned it to the salesman and pointed out since it's never going into the showroom, a showroom prep fee was unwarranted. It was telling to me how quickly he caved that that was a "mistake" and then went back to his manager to get it removed - no resistance whatsoever. I have no doubt that every car they sold had a "showroom prep fee" on the initial invoice regardless of circumstance (and even then, why should whether or not the dealer puts the car in the showroom have any bearing on its price?). It's just a tax for people who can't or won't scrutinize the paperwork or object. Pretty messed up. The screwy thing is otherwise it was actually one of the least sleazy dealerships I've dealt with. Not a high bar, admittedly.
@SBCBears
3 ай бұрын
@@andrewromig9753 This is why car dealers, even new car dealers, have a rep as lie-rs.
@gh4121-b5n
3 ай бұрын
Car Dealer markups? Go buy a Harley. Car Dealerships don’t come close.
@frankthatank4818
3 ай бұрын
@@gh4121-b5n Harley’s? Lol. Nah that’s ok. I’m not an accountant LARPing as an outlaw
@bryanbernart439
3 ай бұрын
They aren't called STEALERSHIPS for nothing.
@dlmyrs
3 ай бұрын
And it’s why Tesla sells almost exclusively direct. Some state laws require dealerships in the state to sell cars. I see a grift…
@militantfascade9176
3 ай бұрын
@@dlmyrs The original idea behind dealerships was to prevent the manufacturers from charging absurd prices for their cars as the sole source. Now we just have the dealerships doing that for them.
@markwarren3535
3 ай бұрын
I'm so disappointed that it's not really an anti gravity battery.
@jro341
3 ай бұрын
@@dlmyrs They are the most tracked vehicles on the market as well.
@Plasmastorm73_n5evv
3 ай бұрын
@@markwarren3535 It's the power source coupler for his flux capacitor.
@dearyvettetn4489
3 ай бұрын
You’re spot on about the tracker for repo purposes. Years ago, my husband and I bought my then teenage daughter’s first car from a used car dealership. We paid cash outright for it. We kept having problems with the battery being drained and when we dug into the electrical system, we found a GPS tracker on the vehicle low-key hot wired to alway be on. If we hadn’t spotted the lit indicator light on the device it would have taken a long time for us to catch it because we didn’t know that was a thing. We notified the dealer as a courtesy because he was actually a decent guy, (save us a bundle on brake work by finding a dealer recall that replaced the entire break system, +$1000 repair that sealed the deal) and even he had trouble keeping the battery charged on the lot even though we found that the battery was good. After some extra digging we learned that the previous owner purchased the car from a local buy-here-pay-here dealership who alway put trackers on their financed vehicles.
@An9310_
2 ай бұрын
Worked for one of those buy here pay here lots and can confirm. In my experience, typically they try to recover the GPS units after final payment as they usually went for $150 per unit. Entirely legal mind you. During purchase, the dealer will have the customer sign a "Disclosure agreement for GPS device" form. Strictly for vehicle monitoring in case of default of payments. I've had to travel to other states to help reposes cars, and am aware of other cars where the customer, with no intention of paying off the vehicle took it so far away, the cost to recovery would outweigh the cost lost after the down payment. It seems like a lot of people here take offense that the car they are paying for is being tracked and take it as a personal offense. As someone who's had access to the information relayed by GPS devices, trust me when I say that you, (the royal you) aren't important enough to want to monitor, it's just the car we care about.
@trentvlak
3 ай бұрын
If a car dealership person is talking, they're lying. Class A misdemeanor. Figure out who is paying the bill on that SIM card. Talk to the DA's office.
@jdonbray
3 ай бұрын
how to tell if they're lying. their lips are moving
@trentvlak
3 ай бұрын
@@jdonbray the truth is not in them.
@francistaylor1822
3 ай бұрын
You got to think surely this is breaking some law?
@trentvlak
3 ай бұрын
@@francistaylor1822 Absolutely. But will the DA prosecute?
@knine8154
3 ай бұрын
@@trentvlakIt's Houston, a DA let a sch00l s#00ter walk
@stevenwilliams6741
3 ай бұрын
The unfortunate part for the consumer is that this will never make it to trial. The dealership will settle, a NDA will be part of the settlement, and nobody will ever know who this dealership is, thus leaving the dealership intact. In short, these practices will continue because paying off the complainant is far less damaging than revealing the truth.
@alex.n22
3 ай бұрын
Honestly this is what I see happening too. We probably won't even see a third video because they ended up settling.
@Flies2FLL
3 ай бұрын
They would have to at LEAST give me the car for me to sign a non-disclosure agreement.
@hardtech1
3 ай бұрын
Many of the GPS is put on at the tote a note lots, for good reasons. Secondly many of the requests come from the banks lending the money, remember ultimately its their car. As for the preinstalled it happens as well because those are the general banks that dealership is accustomed to working with. I once walked into a dealership that my sales person had never seen over a 680 credit score. And then you have the dealerships that might have higher theft rates that keep these on the cars for lower insurance rates with the idea they can find/recover the car. I would also assume the GR would have the higher chance to be stolen much like SI's back in the day. Now that being said given my credit score, high down payment, proof of income, long employment and a decade + mortgage I have never had a GPS attached to my vehicle. But ive been to dealerships that did put GPS on vehicles, they checked the vehicle 2 times to verify they had removed the tracker as my bank did not want it. To the people removing them, make sure its not in the paperwork you agreed with the bank on.
@greatscott625
3 ай бұрын
@@hardtech1 My bank had nothing to do with buying my truck except giving me a one-time limit increase on my debit card. I find a tracker and it's mine. If I do find one, I'll probably put it under the tire at the very least
@jacobkuhn9072
3 ай бұрын
It's hard to bring the dealership to consequences, but it's worth doing
@paulbarnett227
3 ай бұрын
So glad you have retained a lawyer. He's given you good advice. It puts you in a better place should it go to court.
@Mountain-Man-3000
3 ай бұрын
15000 dealerships just had their software hacked. Think on that for a second. This is some serious BS.
@ebenezerwheezer2957
3 ай бұрын
There's a building inspector, who shows bad construction practices by contractors building brand new houses. He never mentions the builder's by name for liability. He conveniently walks past their sign. If you had a license plate holder with the Dealer's name on it you wouldn't to mentioned the dealers name, just walk past the back of the car with the dealers license plate frame on it. 😊
@stevemurnane1892
3 ай бұрын
Nice to see someone else that follows Cy Porter. He's a very clever bloke. He's also got a good collection of caps and shirts by his local builders.
@border411
3 ай бұрын
Cy is a quiet lion. 😆
@PaulM-d7k
3 ай бұрын
That's actually a really good idea.
@shuckyducky-lu8nc
3 ай бұрын
Or the big sticker every dealer puts on the trunk lid so everyone can read it.... so let everyone read it!!!!! 😉 😜
@IH8stpdppl
3 ай бұрын
Cy rocks.
@mikecrooks8085
3 ай бұрын
You can not get a straight answer from the dealership because the guy knows that they are caught doing something that they should not be doing. There are folks out in our world buying up real data that has no apparent use now but if you own a large enough pool of data eventual there will be someone comes a knockin that will want that data and who knows what they will use it for. One thing for sure it will involve money.
@jeffconley819
3 ай бұрын
For sure. That dealer is skimming all that data and making $$$$
@feoxorus
3 ай бұрын
Everything in every business is always about making as much money as possible from doing as little as possible.
@genemetz1945
3 ай бұрын
I'm wondering if a government agency, FBI, CIA is involved. Possibly you got on one of the subversive lists, like speaking up at school meeting, your posts, any groups you like or belong too, what business you’re in, or trips you take, one of your acquaintances or friends, , or even possibly your church. I don't anything past them anymore.
@waltermckinney606
3 ай бұрын
Maybe the tracking the owner not necessarily the car???
@mikecrooks8085
3 ай бұрын
@@waltermckinney606 I thought it was understood they are primarily tracking the owner not the car, the car tracking is probably just another side benefit. And if you are really , really paranoid, note these new cars that you can bluetooth in and connect to your phone through the car entertainment system, now they have a video feed and a sound feed that you have no way of knowing whether it is totally on or off or where that is going, do do do do, do do do do....
@Kualinar
3 ай бұрын
Despite whatever a dealer may claim, there are NO legitimate reason to have those GPS trackers sneakily placed on a vehicle. The data from such a tracker, coupled with the nominative information that the dealer have about the owner of car and the car itself can be worth a LOT.
@dmimcg
2 ай бұрын
BS. YES there are legitimate reasons, Lowlifes don't pay their car loans.
@lindalisak9823
2 ай бұрын
Thank you for the follow up. This is unsettling that at first, it was denied. It's obvious you know cars, so from now on we're watching you!
@PeterHernandez-lg2eh
3 ай бұрын
Bottom line gps tracker installed without your knowledge or permission??????😮
@nomercyinc6783
3 ай бұрын
new cars get trackers installed. dealer inventory doesnt need customer approval before they even own something. people dont own things they are making payments on
@Group_Anonymous
3 ай бұрын
These can disable and track your vehicle when you stop making the payments. It makes it easier for the repossession agent to recover it.
@ManNomad
3 ай бұрын
It is not that it was installed that would be illegal, it is if it was to be used nefariously.
@1982MCI
3 ай бұрын
@@Group_Anonymousnah, cars already have those systems in place from the factory, these trackers are being used for other purposes
@davidbuck9977
3 ай бұрын
@Group_Anonymous These are only used to track dealer inventory. They are like $60 for individual units and lower when you buy in bulk. Sometimes dealers remove them when the car is purchased, sometimes they don't if it's a busy day for sales or service departments. He can put that sim card into an unlocked cell phone or tablet and see if it's active, most likely it's not active anymore.
@Timsmith-q3y
3 ай бұрын
Smart move contacting an attorney sounds like the state Attorney General’s office may need to get involved.
@Poppi2006
3 ай бұрын
I see that you’re not familiar with AG Paxton.
@JimmyRussle
3 ай бұрын
looll the most corrupt AG in the country will probably ask for a bribe from Toyota to make this all go away.
@WadeMaster789
3 ай бұрын
An AG will never rule over a corporation in favor of a 'person'. It doesn't align with the financial interests of 'the state'.
@graybeard2113
3 ай бұрын
@@Poppi2006 I see you're not familiar with Paxton either..
@soniag4516
2 ай бұрын
If he has a smart lawyer he'll get other Toyota owners to join in and file a class action lawsuit.
@NinerFourWhiskey
3 ай бұрын
The device *IS* sending data back to the servers it is associated with, whether the dealer pays for access to it or not. The SIM card connects to the cellular data network, which connects to Phillip's back-end servers, which collects the data and that's made accessible to the dealer - if the dealer pays for access. (usually for a limited amount of time). But...that thing is continuously transmitting data to the servers. The server knows the location, VIN and operating condition of the car, at all times. Even if the dealer doesn't have the data, the service provider DOES and they DO sell your data.
@seananon4893
3 ай бұрын
Sounds like something China would love to have installed in its citizens cars, or maybe North Korea. People need to start t aking this kind of shit awhole lot more seriously.
@Xidification
3 ай бұрын
@@seananon4893besides China, all that data can be subpoenaed by the US government (local, state, federal) for almost any reason. China is a long way away and them knowing where my car is may be creepy, it's also a nebulous threat.... the US government.... that's closer to home.
@Tugela60
3 ай бұрын
The server does not know who the vehicle belongs to. You guys are just paranoid.
@NinerFourWhiskey
3 ай бұрын
@@Tugela60 Wanna bet? If you have a VIN, the registered owner is only a few bytes away. How do you think the manufacturers send out all those recall notice cards?
@Tugela60
3 ай бұрын
@@NinerFourWhiskey You do know that airtime costs money right?
@graywolf2694
3 ай бұрын
these people should be upset that dealers are installing a tracking device in cars for any reason at all. my own employer couldn't protect my data, i wouldn't trust any other company with my data.
@uberfine
3 ай бұрын
Don't trust the government to protect your privacy! I'm a military veteran & was notified our VA health records were hacked. I worked for the US Census Bureau and our personnel records were hacked. There is no security in America thanx to politicians & other rampant criminals.
@tid418
3 ай бұрын
In my case, they probably installed it in someone else's car, which then became my car, without the dealer who sold it to me used knowing about it.
@Rhaspun
3 ай бұрын
Right now almost 15k dealers can't use their computers. The company that sold the software to dealers to administrate and control a dealership has been hacked. The hackers are asking for millions of dollars. That company has said they're going to pay the ransom. But we'll see.
@venomousninetails
3 ай бұрын
I would never trust a gps tracker from the dealer, or any remote disabling device. I have to be the only one with access to it.
@rodgersrcaviation2785
3 ай бұрын
What if I told you most new cars come with a factory installed system that the manufacturers can see. Think on star. Ford sync and so on.
@venomousninetails
3 ай бұрын
@@rodgersrcaviation2785 1) I don't buy fords 2) anything that goes farther than navigation I would disable. Also this is such a troll comment. The topic is about dealerships installing trackers in vehicles. So that the dealership has access to the Data
@rodgersrcaviation2785
3 ай бұрын
@@venomousninetails Not trying to to troll just making people aware. Gps tracking isn’t new. Manufacturers have had this ability since the early 2000s. Additionally I would like to ask are you the only one controlling your tracking data on the cell phone u tote everywhere. It’s being tracked even when u tell it not too
@LevyHappyClapper
3 ай бұрын
@@rodgersrcaviation2785 Perfect reason to not buy a new cloud connected car
@Tugela60
3 ай бұрын
Not everyone is paranoid. We live in a digital world. Get used to it.
@johnberry2877
3 ай бұрын
The thought that people actually believe your battery is Anti gravity is not surprising ! Common sense is blatantly not common.
@NobodyOwesYouAnythin
2 ай бұрын
Common Sense today is a Super Power. 🦸♂️
@panzerkitsune
3 ай бұрын
Imma go ahead and guess this will be covered by Steve Letho in the coming days also
@pamelawoodall5891
3 ай бұрын
Hope so.
@peggyh8937
3 ай бұрын
Letho's videos about car dealers selling data is exactly why this caught my attention...lol.
@knill1494
3 ай бұрын
It's crazy to me, I've worked for multiple dealerships and there were never GPS trackers offered or installed on any of the vehicles ever. This is just wild to me. Also, if the person you spoke to at the dealership lied to you, that's Class A misdemeanor, you need to have your lawyer talk to the DA's office and also track down who the SIM card is being billed to. If your lawyer is any good, you'll have a settlement from the dealer very soon. I doubt the dealership will do anything court-related with you because they don't want that heat or to lose their customers. They'll settle before you ever walk into a courtroom.
@JoMcD21
3 ай бұрын
I worked as an autoshop detailer; cleaning cars, buffing, waxing.. that sort of thing. Some of the things those salesmen and managers said in the back.. you'd be shocked. You should absolutely NEVER trust their word for anything. I wouldn't be surprised if they were planning on letting a proxy know when you're not home to loot your home. Like I said.. you wouldn't believe what they'd say. Never going to work at a place like that ever again.
@manuellubian5709
2 ай бұрын
I hear you ..... When I was much, much younger one of the very first jobs I had straight out of college was I went to work for a foreign brand new car dealership company that had just made its way into the United States and was trying to get a foothold into the American car buying market. Yes, you are right the things they say behind the scenes and how they try and maximize sales of their inventory in general is sometimes outrageous.
@soniag4516
2 ай бұрын
Bravo! You are a person with ethics.
@deeann8923
2 ай бұрын
Sometimes there is poetic justice! In 1994 I wanted to buy a new SUV (I lived in upstate New York at the time). I had narrowed it down to a Mitsubishi Montero and an Isuzu Trooper. I went to the Mitsubishi dealership and they had one that had essentially everything that I wanted. However, what they wanted to do was sell me a demo with 500-600 miles for list price. Effectively I would be subsidizing their use as a demo. When I objected I was told that it was their usual arrangement. Usual or not, I was not interested and left. My local Isuzu dealer didn’t have one remotely close to what I wanted and nothing showed up on their computer searches. So I started calling Isuzu shops in a 200 mile radius with the hope of finding a used one. Turned out that a dealer had a NEW one that was exactly what I wanted. They took the rebate at the time and the dealership owned the truck. When they did that it dropped out of the computer system. My local dealer made a swap and I became a happy Isuzu owner for the next 15 years. But, the poetic justice part: About a month into ownership, the Mitsubishi guy called and said that they could be a bit flexible with the pricing. He asked if I was still interested. I said no and that I had taken delivery on an Isuzu. He sounded so dejected and said “Oh…”. Made My Day!! Moral to the story: Watch ‘em!
@Can8ian.
3 ай бұрын
I work at a dealership and I know that our company does not install trackers ever, not even to prevent theft. Something to consider however is that the transport company who delivers the vehicles to the dealership has possession of the vehicles sometimes for days at a time before they arrive at the sales lot. The transport company easily has enough time with the vehicles to install these trackers and organized crime groups have moved heavily into auto theft in recent years. A possible scenario is that the transport drivers may get paid by shady individuals to bring the vehicles to them to install these devices. While the vehicle is getting the tracker installed, the key FOB can easily be cloned as well. After the car arrives at the dealership, all the criminals need to do is wait until they see the vehicle has left the dealership for a week or two and they know the car was sold. Then a late night visit and a thief hops in the car and starts it up using the cloned FOB and drives away. The transport company could also be involved after the theft as well. I doubt that the police are looking at cars on car carrier trucks when searching for stolen cars.
@ericmatteson8888
3 ай бұрын
dealerships dont perform inspections on delivery?
@Can8ian.
3 ай бұрын
@@ericmatteson8888 We inspect our vehicles yes and in two instances thus far have found air tags hidden and once found an ODB style tracker similar to the one in your video. We can't be certain there was a conspiracy to steal these cars, but we removed the trackers obviously since nobody needs to be tracking our cars.
@funnyfarmdad9997
3 ай бұрын
Go back and read what @trentvlak says about people who work for dealerships.
@honeybadger5933
3 ай бұрын
Organized crime? You mean our government. They're the biggest organized crime group in the world.
@zeroregrets5901
3 ай бұрын
come back and steal it for overseas travel maybe?
@JohnnyTranJTP
3 ай бұрын
Give it back to the dealer where the sun don't shine lol.
@NarwahlGaming
3 ай бұрын
Make it part of the lawsuit. 😂 _"Your honor. My client is asking for $4.5 million in punitive damages and... uhm... to shove the tracker up the dealers back door."_
@a1smith
3 ай бұрын
Don't give it to the dealer, they'll just fit it in a different car.
@davepastern
3 ай бұрын
no no no no no. It is physical evidence. The key thing is to not handle the SIM device without using gloves and to preserve it in a plastic baggie so that any fingerprints don't get removed.
@kuu8770
3 ай бұрын
Sue the manufacturer of the device for damaging your battery and car. Your lawyer can help you with that.
@4GoBabyGo
3 ай бұрын
It is to sell your driving data to insurance companies, someone came forward and said that insurance companies were doing this and car dealerships would get a kickback $$$. Toyota would have nothing to do with this it's the dealerships and the insurance companies working together. He came forward and I guess there's a lawsuit going on
@BigJeezie
3 ай бұрын
Correct. He should sue them for a lot of damages. Set the case precedence.
@bkinnd
3 ай бұрын
Wrong, Toyota already collects & sells driving data to insurance companies through their Toyota app. This is literally a GPS tracker, that's all
@PeterHernandez-lg2eh
3 ай бұрын
More than that's all what is their intention
@FrankRizzo557
3 ай бұрын
@@bkinnd If you let it, very simple to nullify that on a phone, but point taken.
@Shadow_Banned_Conservative
3 ай бұрын
My guess is consent is buried somewhere in the fine print of your purchase, your use of some manufacturer app or vehicle service. I'd be very surprised if they just threw it on thousands or millions of vehicles without consent and crossed their fingers that nobody ever finds it. I seem to remember one of our consumer protection agencies cracking down on the practice of forced consent in somewhat recent years. If this device is what everyone thinks this is, I hope it turns out badly for those responsible.
@siliconpenguin
2 ай бұрын
I'm a computer/electronics guy here. I'd just like to throw a few things out there for people to think about. Those devices can probably be bought for a few dollars each, in bulk. Also, it would probably take an experienced installer about 60 seconds to install it. You "uninstalled" it in just a couple of minutes with one hand! Some other reasons why they might be installed: A data broker could sell the tracking info on to other companies, and to the government. The data would be tied to the owner of the car title, and when combined with other data points, say from Facebook, or Google, or your cell provider, it could tell which family member is actually driving the car - and often who is in the car(friends, family, etcetera...). And for the conspiracy minded: Why was it installed where it was? All a GPS tracker would need is power. But this was connected to the cars OBD port, right? All that telemetry data... But you said Toyota's already have telemetry data built in, right? But a device like this could be used to limit the amount of mileage the vehicle could be used for, right? A device like this could be used to make your vehicle inoperable if your social credit score falls below a given point. A foreign actor(say, China?) could take out a very large swath of private vehicles in the US, causing major havoc. A political party in the US could do the same thing to people in particular states, also causing major havoc. This isn't just a GPS tracker, this device would give the user of the device complete access to the cars computer system, and all that that entails. At least potentially.
@MoaningGit
2 ай бұрын
Lol ok.. don't need China. Your very own government hates you.
@patx35
Ай бұрын
You know just enough about vehicle electronics to be very wrong about specific important details.
@siliconpenguin
Ай бұрын
@@patx35 And what details are you saying that I'm "very wrong" about? And please be "specific".
@patx35
Ай бұрын
@@siliconpenguin there's a philosophy term called Occam's razor, where generally the most simple explanation is the most likely. The GPS tracker connects to the OBD2 port for communication to the Powertrain Control Module, or PCM. From there, using standardized protocols and commands (keeping the explanation simple), it would obtain information such as vehicle wheel speed, throttle application, brake applications, etc. This is combined with the tracker's onboard accelerometer and gyroscope to record the driver's driving behavior. This data has been sent to data analytics agencies, which is known to be resold to parties such as insurance agencies. A common used case is adjusting the insurance rates based on perceived driving behavior, and denying claims due to "bad driving". This is the same thing as the OBD dongles you can use willingly, except this one is installed without your consent. Devices like this are only capable of reading broadcast data, not able to send commands. Furthermore, commands received by vehicle modules are fairly limited, especially with the vehicle in motion. Unless there's a horrible design oversight, devices can't just tell the car to floor the engine and swerve into traffic, or disable the brakes on the freeway. Furthermore, making a product with a secret backdoor is an extreme legal liability with very little benefits, especially with much easier and safer ways to immobilize repossessed vehicles. What about hardware faults? Sure, try shorting out the CAN bus network while driving. At best, the dash would light up like a Christmas tree, and everything on the network would default to limp-home mode, with basic vehicle functionality still working. At worst, you lose engine power and maybe power steering (cough cough Ford and GM), but the driver can still pull over and stop the vehicle. It might be the next stupid BS since the discovery of broken Ford taillights causing the truck to not start, but not a national havoc level concern.
@patx35
Ай бұрын
@@siliconpenguin Lovely, I made a well developed argument, and automod deleted it. Another attempt. This is just identical to OBD2 dongles insurance companies would offer for "cheaper rates", but without your consent. There are no way dongles are able to send dangerous commands to a vehicle, especially while it's being driven. There are far safer ways to immobilize a repoed vehicle without having the CAN bus. And flooding the network with garbage, or shorting it out wouldn't cause the vehicle to crash.
@JamesDowney95
3 ай бұрын
The antigravity battery statement had me rolling! I have one in my Supra and love it! But yeah, my non car friends always find it funny when I tell them about my "antigravity" battery LOL
@lobuxracer
3 ай бұрын
Me too. In my '93 MkIV.
@adamwilson1125
3 ай бұрын
I have them on 2 of my motorcycles and they are great
@bigfranksworld
3 ай бұрын
I just bought a 2024 Camry DR. I had to have a windshield put in it already because of a rock chip, then failed repair on it. When I got the car back, there was what I thought was the OBDII port hanging down. I had the windshield installer come back out and he said that he had to unplug this part to calibrate the camera on my windshield, and that it wasn't the OBDII port as I had thought.. Now that I see this video, I'm thinking that I also have this device installed on my car, which as far as I'm concerned, is a breech of privacy. Will be watching here to see what the lawyer says.
@seananon4893
3 ай бұрын
Think, government, and communist. Then add in GPS tracker auto disable, and climate change. Things will start to come together for you.
@waitwhat69247
3 ай бұрын
Go get that shit out
@gorgly123
3 ай бұрын
Sounds like your Lawyer might be making bank on a class action lawsuit if he can find other people in the same boat as you.
@Odayian420
3 ай бұрын
No honestly they don't have a case at all it was determined that Banks as well as dealerships that deal with loans have a right to track their vehicles.
@jonahkrompart
3 ай бұрын
@@Odayian420he paid cash for the car, no bank involved. Try again buster
@Odayian420
3 ай бұрын
@@jonahkrompart it's not the bank that actually installs them they get installed on any car on the lot. It's faster and more economic for them not to pull the cheap made gps. When they buy and gross they probably pay maybe $10 per unit.
@Odayian420
3 ай бұрын
@@jonahkrompart Texas passed the law a while back and that they are able to put them on the cars. It was in the news but then some other BS happened and the News cycle changed. I remember seeing it on the news.
@Odayian420
3 ай бұрын
It started from the banks requiring the ability to track these vehicles that they are putting loans on. So car dealerships install it on any car when it comes on the lot. Most mechanics at a minimum make close to 30 an hour at a dealership. It just cost more to pull the cheap unit to pay somebody to do it then it is to leave it on. He didn't have to see the paperwork on it because he never went through the bank loan so it probably was not disclosed if it was it's probably in the fine print somewhere on the contract.
@manuellubian5709
2 ай бұрын
Daughter of a former Automotive instructor here. I'm proud of you for doing this type of video. If my dad were here he'd have a big smile on his face because one thing that was at the Hallmark of him being around and or working on any cars was integrity and the fact that you were honest about what you found and in turn passed on the knowledge of that finding to others means you would have been good as gold in my dad's book.
@stevelacher8092
3 ай бұрын
Man I'm sorry you got racist comments last video. Nobody likes people messing with their property. I watched the first video out of interest in tuning and privacy and this action by the dealer would mess with both. Do you think it could be the dealership equivalent of a card reader. An individual working at a dealership could sell that info to car thieves.
@NarwahlGaming
3 ай бұрын
Yeah. Someone in the previous video said that a tech was doing exactly that - telling his buddies when an owner was gone from home, etc. If there's a way there is a criminal who will exploit it.
@lawndogmoon2
3 ай бұрын
He probably likes egg roles more than his car.
@FourFour2theFloor
3 ай бұрын
@@lawndogmoon2*egg roll, more proof that racist people are idiots
@jasonmorris2813
3 ай бұрын
Where are all these racist comments people were talking about? I have not seen one. Are you crazy?
@soniag4516
2 ай бұрын
Stop it lowlife bigot!
@rruss5328
3 ай бұрын
They think they are smart and the general public "be STUPID" - so what did the lawyer say? If the car is paid for I'd tell them that you don't do business with shady a-holes.
@F4495-q
3 ай бұрын
@JasonBourne-hu1oxHOW do they do it?
@goldenpretender668
3 ай бұрын
Wtf?! Got me checking my car too rn!!
@TheJaguarthChannel
3 ай бұрын
did you find one? i am gonna check mine... kia
@tid418
3 ай бұрын
I found one in my car a couple of months ago completely by accident. I was installing a dash cam and I wanted it to have power only when the car is 'on', and my 12v power ports (which used to be called cigar lighters) are always on. I got a piggyback fuse holder (add a circuit) and took the kick panel off to expose the fuse box, and I saw an object in there that did not look right, held in place by two zip ties and wired into the fuse box (just had the positive lead wrapped around one fuse leg before the fuse was crammed back in). Not even up to the standard of the job I was about to do! I removed it and looked it up (Passtime Trax 6A) and it is indeed a gps tracker intended for dealers to use on customer cars. I bought my car outright, for cash as they say (even though there was no actual paper involved), so the dealer has no more interest in this car. I bet it was installed by the original dealer when it was new, not the used car dealer I bought it from.
@JSwift2012
3 ай бұрын
I drive a German car and when I just got it I wanted to be sure that in case of car theft I will be protected - I went to the company that specialises on anti-theft and instaled complex from them, and the point is if you need anti-theft complex you instal it from specialists. Dealer just don't have any justifiable reason to instal it by themselves. It's just violation of your privacy. And because they hid it from you - even worth. I have a friend, that in 2019 got his car from dealership maintenance garage and found spare key taped under the rear bumper. He is journalist and he started investigate what the hell is going on. In three month he found out that more than sixty cars that came from same dealership was stolen and sold in parts blackmarket. I wonder if this is same case or not?
@soniag4516
2 ай бұрын
Did he repirt the dealership to DA's office or Attorney General's?
@JSwift2012
2 ай бұрын
@@soniag4516 it’s not in USA. But the maintenance garage was investigated by police and they followed the chain from the garage to the car theft gang and destroyed their vehicle disassembly factory.
@stuartstuart866
3 ай бұрын
We bought a new 4Runner in the Phoenix area , paid cash, and the dealer tried to sell us the tracking service that we repeatedly declined. The dealer refused to remove the device (apparently they get installed on all incoming vehicles). I ended up having it removed by another dealer.
@sharonbowers9929
3 ай бұрын
Outrageous.😡
@kennethboyer2338
3 ай бұрын
The problem with all of these dealers doing this is that once the car is sold, they don't have a claim to it. The bank actually owns the car, so I would question the bank.
@middleagedbaldguy6774
3 ай бұрын
I worked for two of the largest dealerships in DFW. Being shady is the rule at a dealership, not the exception. Everyone lies with every breath they take.
@Z4Zander
3 ай бұрын
And if they aint lying they are dreaming up new ones.
@aliannarodriguez1581
3 ай бұрын
Any insight on WHY these dealers would install their own GPS?
@xtnuser5338
3 ай бұрын
@@aliannarodriguez1581 Yes. A third party company installs them at little to no cost to the dealer. The dealer tries to sell them with the vehicle for $499 or whatever along with the other crap they put on the sticker like under-body coating, window tint, locking lug nuts, fabric protection, or whatever other crap they think of. If they DO get the customer to pay anything towards it, they then pay that third party a small flat fee or a small percentage of the take. It's just another source of high mark-up crap they try to push so they can line their pockets. There is no other motive than that. They are not getting a better insurance rate because they can find cars stolen off their lot, or whatever other bullshit sales pitch points they tell you while trying to get you to pay.
@NVMDSTEvil
3 ай бұрын
put the sim card in a phone, see what network it was registered to then contact the network and see if you can see how active (or not) it was and if there is an activation or deactivation date.
@rodgersrcaviation2785
3 ай бұрын
As an installer of these units I’ve done this just to see. It doesn’t show much. It’s a receive only SIM card with no data The sim is only there to more accurately triangulate the location if it’s in a sketchy location. Say in a metal building or garage where gps doesn’t work.
@Sashazur
3 ай бұрын
@@rodgersrcaviation2785it can’t be a receive only sim, every cell device needs to both transmit and receive even just to get connected to the cell network. Plus if it really only receives data what is the point? It wouldn’t help them with tracking the vehicle which is why they install it in the first place.
@tid418
3 ай бұрын
@@rodgersrcaviation2785 The SIM card is used to connect to the cellular network so that the unit can report its position. GPS coordinates are useless for tracking if there is no way for the tracking device to tell anyone its position.
@Radaos
3 ай бұрын
If it can't send the car's location, what use is it as a tracker? Are the movements of the car stored locally for a dealer to read later?
@danven1256
3 ай бұрын
I used to work for AutoNation for years before I retired. I can tell you that some of these dealer "add-ons" have caused more trouble than good. One particular one was a rather low tech device that disabled the starter. They were installed on all of the cars, and there was an attempt made at the point of sale to get the customer to pay for the device. Those that did not purchase it would just have the device disabled. Over time resistance would build and one day your car wouldn't start. Occasionally the customers put two and two together and force the dealership to pay for the removal but most of the time the customer ended up paying.
@lvsluggo007
3 ай бұрын
I bought a used car from a dealer back in Dec 2019. I was going to be paying cash for the car, from an insurance settlement of my previous car which was totalled. The settlement was $8,200 and I was NOT going to finance any amount more on any car I bought. I spotted the car I wanted, it was listed at $6,995. I went to the dealer and asked for an out-the-door price. A few minutes later they came back with an OTD price of OVER $10K. I nearly fell on the floor laughing, They had a ton of bullshit addons and fees. I told them I had a payoff of $8,200 and if you can't sell me the car for THAT price, I'm done here.. They said they couldn't so I walked.. I'd barely gotten to my rental car and the salesmanager caught me and asked would I buy the car at $8,200 total? I said yes.. One of the bogus items on the car was this weird security thing. Since I wasn't paying the $495 for it, they could just remove it.. They refused, so the damn thing is still there, with me NOT paying the $49/mo service charge. What makes me mad is the fact that this bullshit device, I believe causes the car to start beeping the horn at odd times, and is VERY annoying when I stay in a motel and all the sudden, at 3am, the car starts beeping..
@TbirdThunderHD
3 ай бұрын
Go get ‘em! Civilly, of course they’ll settle out of court to save face but there should be criminal repercussions. I’d be interested in the stat attorney general’s take on the matter. I hope you’ve reached out to them as well.
@soniag4516
2 ай бұрын
Another of Bill Gates money-makers to finance DEPOPULATION.
@geniecoils5185
3 ай бұрын
Bottom line. They put a tracker on your, paid in full, car without your permission. Constitutional violation of your rights and should prove to be illegal. Get them!
@bobbybishop5662
3 ай бұрын
Lol , only the government can violate a person's constitutional rights.
@eirinym
3 ай бұрын
It's not a constitutional violation, but it amounts to trespassing and vandalism, both of which are crimes. Unsanctioned access and tampering with property. I'd look into whether Texas has laws covering illegal surveillance, which if it does, this would also qualify.
@WrenchS13
3 ай бұрын
@@eirinym its also an invasion of privacy
@zburnham
3 ай бұрын
@@WrenchS13you don’t have privacy. None of us do. The data brokers know more about you than you do.
@mpmpm
3 ай бұрын
@@eirinym "It's not a constitutional violation": If it isn't (yet), it should be!
@psychosis7325
3 ай бұрын
Very interesting... It's a Phi-LL-ips Connect - Arrow QG VI, not Philips the giant tech company and they specialise in fleet tracking. What's extra interesting is that it has GPIO and UART connectors (data in/out that is computer smart designed to talk to ecus/bcms by looks) which is not on most of their stuff and this seems a special unit not featured on their main page and took me a little digging to find info from FCC report filings on it..... I'm wondering if it is US dealer related or if people have found them elsewhere and what the GPIO and UART is being used for as it is lots cheaper and easier to not have all that and they could piggy back it on lots better spots than the OBD.... Wonder if its some Toyota diesel gate stuff where over the air they are changing tune/emissions or if it is something else where it is collecting more driver inputs for AI training or similar...... Either way this was a great video and find 👍 love to know what else you find about it.
@twoc400s5
3 ай бұрын
Many good data recovery specialists or Pen testers can dump and read the hex off of those modules via the UART and GPIO.
@rodgersrcaviation2785
3 ай бұрын
Hello. I’m an installer of these units so I understand how they work quite well. U sir have a very good eye. But. They haven’t figured out yet how to use these units to communicate with the ecm and bcms. One because of the multiple different protocols the manufactures are using for communication and normally when u install something that tries to talk back it turns the dashboard Christmas tree in because of language on the communication lines it’s unfamiliar with. They are connected via the obd2 port because that’s the quickest and easiest place to access 12v and ground. Be advised. We have newer versions now that are about the size of a pack of cigs and are standalone units. No wiring Way easier to hide. And as of now nobody is finding them because there’s no additional wiring to tell on itself with.
@Sashazur
3 ай бұрын
@@rodgersrcaviation2785How does a standalone unit without wiring get power? GPS and cell communication require significant power. Any built in battery wouldn’t last more than a few days or at best a week or two.
@rodgersrcaviation2785
3 ай бұрын
@@Sashazur so with today’s modern battery tech. The wireless units transmit for 3 yrs before service is needed. The units themselves don’t need very much power at all. They pull less than .01 of an amp
@foreverwood1963
3 ай бұрын
My buddy bought his daughter a brand new Hyundai and her car battery immediately kept dying long story short she had a tracker on hers.
@Tugela60
3 ай бұрын
I doubt a cell phone could drain a car battery 😂
@pslgreg
3 ай бұрын
My best guess is they are selling the information. Funny that a 50-year-old joke still holds true. How can you tell a car dealer is lying? His lips are moving.
@NarwahlGaming
3 ай бұрын
Meghan Trainor even made a song about it. 😂
@NewEdgeDesigns
3 ай бұрын
You’re being naive.. They are cooperating with law enforcement of course..
@Group_Anonymous
3 ай бұрын
When you finance the car, you are actually not the owner until you have paid off the loan and the lender has a security interest in the car such that you would not be able to remove the gps tracker/kill switch without that lender/owner's permission.
@pslgreg
3 ай бұрын
He said he paid for the car, no loan. @@Group_Anonymous
@playlistnor
3 ай бұрын
@@Group_Anonymoushe paid in full.
@AshtonCoolman
3 ай бұрын
This video popped up randomly. I'm glad it did because 1) I live in Houston and have friends with GR Corollas 2) I'm in the market for one 3) The Antigravity battery info is awesome! I need one for my R32 GTR.
@roncrawford2416
3 ай бұрын
These are in other makes of vehicles as well. Found one in my 2017 GMC.
@louisrauzi3872
3 ай бұрын
Welcome to 1984 sheeple
@pamelawoodall5891
3 ай бұрын
Exactly!
@loosebruce6637
3 ай бұрын
Auto dealers nothing but sleasebag crooks from the beginning. Not happy making a fair profit, lie and steal from customers. Delivery , set up, detail, tax, inspection, showroom prep, say nothing about maintenance and repair scams.
@davechartier6898
3 ай бұрын
Along with fahrenheit 451 no?😊
@Tugela60
3 ай бұрын
Still bummed that it is no longer 1884 sheepie?
@fredEVOIX
3 ай бұрын
from memory he discovered it because it was draining his battery, one would call it sabotage as it had a negative effect on a vehicle he purchased new and paid cash
@thestandardbearer6633
3 ай бұрын
I am spitting up my coffee on the commentary on Antigravity batteries. I have many of them in motorcycles and a very high dollar one in my Sprinter Van and I love them. Their Bluetooth monitor is awesome as well.
@feoxorus
3 ай бұрын
Their jump packs are shit. After a couple years of only being used to charge small devices I found mine to have swollen and cracked the case. If 15# makes that much difference in your car's performance go on a diet and take a good dump before you race.
@rodgersrcaviation2785
3 ай бұрын
Definitely spiked my interest in them. I thought he saw Agm on a battery and said anti gravity. Didn’t even know they exhausted lol
@SteveKran
3 ай бұрын
I bought a used car and they tried to slip that $500 "fee" in for Lojack. I told them I never asked for it, didn't want it, and to take it off. After seeing your first video, I went and checked my OBD2. Sure as shit, they installed one and left it there. To add to that, after I signed papers agreeing to buy the vehicle, they kept it another two weeks because the adaptive cruise wasn't working and they promised to repair it before delivering it to me. They had plenty of time to take it off, but left it installed. I'll be taking it off this evening. Not sure if there's anything illegal in what they did. They're a dealership in NC and I live in SC.
@rpgdrew2244
3 ай бұрын
Well I'm now curious to see how all this turns out.
@Rick-b6t
3 ай бұрын
Found one of these in my 2023 4 Runner this morning. Unfortunate that dealers do this because it totally isn’t something I signed up for. Thanks for posting the original and the story.
@mattiemathis9549
3 ай бұрын
Dammit. I guess I better check my 23 Rav 4….
@per619
2 ай бұрын
Why would they do this when they aren't getting paid for it??
@racerex340
2 ай бұрын
@@per619 Who said they aren't getting paid for it? For all you know, the dealership gets paid by a data broker for every single one they put in a car because they can then turn around and sell that to insurance companies, possibly other buyers interested in the data. The data broker could even supply the hardware for free while the cost to install is probably less than $50 in labor. The fact that the dealership could also attach a service to it leveraging that same device and also charge the customer a premium for it is just gravy. The mobile network access is dirt cheap when purchased in bulk, it doesn't need to be high bandwidth, a device that checks in once per day and sends a couple KB data packet would more than do it, at the scale of tens or hundreds of thousands, a mobile provider like t-mobile would likely sell that sort of plan for just a few dollars per SIM per year, at $10 per year a few million cars is worth a pretty penny and won't impact their network. Mobile phone providers have been selling these kinds of mobile data access to manufacturers for years, any modern vehicle with GPS that can get OTA updates, or even just real-time traffic via navigation guaranteed has mobile connectivity and an active SIM, most manufacturers install it by default as it only costs them pennies but they services they can sell you or future owners are worth a fortune. Think about it this way... Under current state and federal laws, insurance companies doing this is tricky as it requires your consent, but if the insurance company is buying the data from a third party, they aren't infringing on any rights, they're just a customer themselves. Auto manufacturers could also be to blame here, they have wanted to do this very thing for years, selling the data directly to insurance companies, looking for a safe way to force that into a user agreement that any driver would be accepting by default, but, if they use a 3rd party provider where the manufacturer installs the dongle at the factory to every vehicle going to certain countries, they could get paid by the 3rd party to do so as well. If the insurance industry was smart, they'd get together and spin up their own privately owned 3rd party data brokerage company that was tasked with creating these deal partnerships with manufacturers and dealerships, paying them to install these devices and even allowing them to re-sell the device as a service to customers, while then collecting the data and selling that all back to the insurance companies, I mean they wouldn't even need to sell it directly to the insurance companies, they could sell it to a 3rd party underwriter who the insurance companies could contract, keeping them completely out of band as they would never have to touch the data, they just pay for a service. American corporations engage in this sort of sneaky side-stepping all the time. You know how you go to hotels in NYC or Vegas these days that have the mini-bar with the weight sensors on it which automatically charges you $8 for a water if you accidentally lift it? 99% of the time, you ask the hotel to remove it and they will say that they cannot because it isn't theirs, they use a 3rd party company that manages it and keeps it stocked. What they don't tell you is that the company they "outsource" it to, is actually owned by the same parent company that owns the hotel / hotel chain, and they also won't tell you that their cleaning room staff aren't actually employees of the hotel but instead are contractors who also work for that 3rd party, which is how those minibar systems get restocked. The only reason I found out the housekeeping being contractors part was because when I was told the systems are managed and restocked by a third party, I then asked why the hotel thought it was OK to allow a non-employees badged/keycard access to my guest room to restock that system, and then asked "who else who wasn't a hotel employee has total access to my room and therefore my personal property?", and he admitted that they outsourced their housekeeping to the same company, something which is very common. He would not admit that the hotel and 3rd party company were owned by the same parent company or affiliated in any way, but a simple google search proved that. This is the new America, corporations have the right to swindle as much out of you as possible, and when they don't, they'll just find a workaround.
@kellibella0804
2 ай бұрын
Non car person here, very grateful for your explanation on the anti-gravity battery! I definitely didn't think you meant the battery was floating around like water droplets in space, but I was completely baffled by what it DID mean. I'll even accept the "silly non-car people" laughs... I'm sure if you heard some of my inner thoughts/questions when I was watching that last video, you'd be wondering how people like me don't break every single vehicle we come into contact with. It's a valid point ... I often wonder the same thing. 😅 Good luck with the resolution to this whole ordeal!
@BlestinTexas24
2 ай бұрын
Me too! , Glenn Beck video said antigravity transportation will change everything. My car is 24 years old. Dread buying a new used one!
@donsmith9478
2 ай бұрын
That is a brand I have never heard of until now. What state is that ?
@DigitalPetrol
3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the update! Not a car guy, but am a tech guy. This kind of surveillance BS really annoys me...
@soniag4516
2 ай бұрын
Become pro-active, teach others
@Nick-nm8om
3 ай бұрын
It depends on what state you live in , and the type of vehicle. I just bought a new Jeep Grand Wagoneer for my wife/house, and it's completely paid off. The dealership notified use that it has a tracking device, and they asked if we wanted removed or to keep it. I told them to remove it. But we live in Florida, and I believe state law requires the saler to notify the buyers.
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