@cjy Good to see him emerge out his Willy Wonka phase. 🍭
@Brazylizsek
3 жыл бұрын
The Universe is an simulation. The God (or The Architect, whatever you call him) knows the initial condition, knows the rules, knows the current state and the past, but can't know the future. He can stop the simulation, go back in past, change something, run it again and let it going. From our perspective it doesn't matter, we can't notice changes on the upper level. Same with the simulation speed.
@aelbadrawy8324
3 жыл бұрын
The main argument does not hold. The premise (God knows everything), does not sufficiently lead to the conclusion (then there’s no free will). With machine learning and AI techniques now a days, one can predict many things that will happen in the future. Simplest examples include search engines autocomplete predictions, flight delays based on weather conditions, what customers might buy next, whether a patient admitted to the ICU will die or not, etc. Though these systems are built using very little knowledge, they give surprisingly high accuracies. It is obvious that they do not influence the predicted outcome, be it flight delays, patient deaths, etc. Likewise, God, knowing everything, does not necessarily lead to a compromise of free will.
@jesushad12gayfriendwhoallb50
2 жыл бұрын
Shitty analogy. You say one can predict not one can know with full certainty. If I know what team will win the World Series do the teams have free will to choose otherwise?
@charlesbrightman4237
7 жыл бұрын
Doesn't "God's" existence have to be proven to be really true to honestly be able to answer this question?
@Mentat1231
5 жыл бұрын
Obviously, Robert is just asking this question conditionally
@gingrai00
6 жыл бұрын
I don’t think that Dean would argue the point that history will only be written one way. Each of us will do what we will do. This, I think, is obvious. What is the problem with God knowing what we will do? For all the possibilities available to Dean, he will, ultimately, exclude all of them except for the ones that he chooses. What is wrong with God knowing god what he will choose? If God is omniscient, then he holds an unbelievable amount of information, information sufficient, I would say to predict, with certainty, future free choices. He would know us better than we know ourselves so it would follow that if we can understand our future choices, he could, all the better understand them. The mechanism for his foreknowledge in this possible explanation would be his unimaginable intellect. What is wrong with this? I see no logical contradiction between divine human freedom and divine foreknowledge. I did not hear any claim by Dean that would make me believe it is illogical. I would be curious to know how this open theistic view came about, what the initial conditions for its origin were.
@jesushad12gayfriendwhoallb50
2 жыл бұрын
Because he knows what we will do before we do it. If I know what my friend will do before he does it can my friend choose otherwise?
@pateunuchity884
4 жыл бұрын
A philosopher elevating the power of man over the power of God...and who is shocked right now? 😂
@francesco5581
3 жыл бұрын
he diminish the "control" of God but he increase the love of God for us (giving total free of will) . Love it .
@vulcanus30
7 жыл бұрын
As God exist outside of linear time, he is already present at the end of time, and knows everything that will happen in what to him is his past. If that's true then it doesn't contradict humans free will at all.
@plasticvision6355
7 жыл бұрын
vulcanus30 Your comment is logically and metaphysically incoherent
@mr.spinoza
7 жыл бұрын
Assuming what you say is true, if person A did x instead of y in my past, there is no way that person A could have done y because he *already* chose y in [my] past. Similarly, if all of our future actions have happened in God's past and we can't do what hasn't already happened in God's past.
@vulcanus30
7 жыл бұрын
Yes, sometimes reality doesn't make sense, especially when you are stuck with linear thinking. Past and future are relative to one's position on the time line. Watch this: kzitem.info/news/bejne/roWVt5OcaomYhH4m56s But it becomes even more bizarre when you're outside outside of the linear time frame. For example, for photons time is not passing.
@ObsidianTeen
6 жыл бұрын
God could make a stone with all your actions written on it before you're born. It would be a 'freedom-denying prophetic object' (from Peter van Inwagen) and it shows that God's timelessness doesn't save free will. Also if the world is a 4d cube it is unchangeable--eternally locked. Still no openness which is required for freedom.
@jesushad12gayfriendwhoallb50
2 жыл бұрын
But we are in time god sees what we do before we do it. What god sees in the future is determined to happen no matter what we do
@groki9572
7 жыл бұрын
I can't see the problem with those contingente facts. It would be interesting to hear an explanation from Dean; maybe God knows even more than the path we actually choose, maybe He knows all the others had been our choices different in the past. So, in some sense he knows everything, but this "everything" is much more extense than what actually happens, what ironically, allows us to have indeed free will.
@achooothanks
7 жыл бұрын
Just a layman wondering, can we humans really have free will. I mean, we come with a prepackaged brain, with instincts, needs and a sort of standardized way of experiencing. How can free will apply to us if we have to follow this innate criteria.
@MidiwaveProductions
7 жыл бұрын
E AM. Yes, that is the question. Let´s try to unpack it: Definition of free will = Free will is the ability of a conscious agent to make choices within the available decision space. (There are of course many different definitions of free will but this definiton is one of the "classic" definitions.) Determinism (No Free will): 1. Without consciousness, there can be no free will since a conscious agent would be non-existent to make a choice. 2. Without free will, the agent would not be conscious, but only a deterministic script (as in your example: "a prepackaged brain"), or purposeless process and therefore could not make choices within the available decision space. Free will: 1. With consciousness, there is free will since a conscious agent would be existent to make a choice. 2. With free will, the agent would not be a deterministic script or purposeless process and therefore could make choices within the available decision space. 3. The agent is able to expand it´s decision space (if it so chooses) with the help of the tools of reason and logic.
@gingrai00
6 жыл бұрын
I would say that the obvious answer is yes, we have free will. Every day each of shares a similar experience of choosing, deciding what we will do and what we will think about. Not having free will would render almost everything about us absurd. Don’t you think? Wouldn’t you say that it seems absolutely certain that if you desired or even if only you desired to prove this point, you could have a milkshake today?
@mikebell4649
7 жыл бұрын
On the pressuposition of gods existence at all ?
@Mentat1231
5 жыл бұрын
Obviously, Robert is just asking this question conditionally
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